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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34292758; Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:01:29 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #935 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:00:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #935 1. cue lights by b Ricie 2. Re: Cue lights? by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: Battery Question - test device by Clive Mitchell 4. Re: Cue lights? by "Brian Munroe" 5. Re: Cue lights? by David Duffy 6. Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by Todd Dupree 7. Re: Cue lights by "Bill Conner" 8. Re: Cue lights? by Bruce Purdy 9. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by 10. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by 11. Re: Cue lights? by Charlie Richmond 12. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by Steve Larson 13. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by "Laura McMeley" 14. ESTA Electrician exam confusions by Stuart Wheaton 15. Re: Cue lights by "Peter Scheu" 16. Re: Cue Lights? by Brendan Quigley 17. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by "Peter Scheu" 18. Re: Cue lights by KEITH ARSENAULT 19. Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions by Greg Persinger 20. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by KEITH ARSENAULT 21. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by "Peter Scheu" 22. Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions by Stuart Wheaton 23. Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 24. Re: Tasty. by NODEraser 25. Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 26. Re: Speaking of Magazines by CB 27. Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions by Stuart Wheaton 28. Re: Cue Lights? by "Mat Goebel" 29. Re: Tasty. by CB 30. Re: Cue Lights? by Stuart Wheaton 31. Re: Off Topic: When A Community Theater Company Member Drops Out by CB 32. Re: Cue lights? by CB 33. Cheap data logging by CB 34. Cue Lights by Steve Little 35. Re: Cheap data logging by Jerry Durand 36. Re: Cue Lights? by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 37. Re: Battery Question - test device by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 38. Photos for Control Systems for Live Entertainment, Third Edition by John Huntington 39. Re: Photos for Control Systems for Live Entertainment, Third Edition by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 40. Re: Cue lights by "Brian Munroe" 41. Re: Cue lights by "Daniel O'Donnell" 42. Re: Cue lights by "Jon Lagerquist" 43. Re: Cue Lights? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 44. Re: Tasty. by Clive Mitchell 45. Smal Town in Colorado (was Freezing Dance Floor ) by "Michael Powers" 46. OT: British Revoke USA Independence by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: Cue Lights? by "Bill Nelson" 48. Big Clive at Edinburgh ??! by John Arrowsmith *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20060902115133.5288.qmail [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 04:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: cue lights In-Reply-To: Just last night, I had to repair a cue light on the rail. We use em, all over ( deck, rail , elecs, sound), they also work great as a call light for the sound op. For a cheap quickie version I use those computer master switching devices, some zip cord, and bamo! instant cue light system. The "master switch thingy" has a few individual switches and a master, easy to stack and add on to as you see fit. Works great for touring. Cue lights, yup! I am a fan. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:40:32 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue lights? References: In-Reply-To: In message , seanrmc [at] earthlink.net writes >Specifically, I'd love to see a system that had 12-18 3-position >toggles with up being "solo", middle being "off" and down being >"controlled by the master". Pilot lights above and below each switch. >DMX, etc cable run to backstage driving a number of SMALL and probably >solid-state 120v relays (max 1 amp each) to control the cuelights. >Anyone out there make such a thing, or can make it for....er.....less >than a fortune? The problem with using DMX to control cuelights is that the best systems allow the person receiving a standby signal to acknowledge it before getting the GO indication. A DMX version wouldn't be able to communicate back. On the other hand you could easily build one that used ordinary DMX cable as a generic 3-core cable. You certainly can get dedicated cuelight systems, one of the more interesting being by Northern Light in the UK, but it's a specialist low volume product specifically aimed at high profile installations so it does carry a suitably high price tag. For the Edinburgh Tattoo I roughed up a simple cue light that allowed a remote blue LED button and local mimic to either light dimly and then latch bright when the respondent pressed it, or pulse between dim and bright and also latch when the respondent pressed it. This allowed a number of simple signals to be sent. It used three cores (common, LED and button) and was eventually wired in the ubiquitous CAT 5 cable which can be installed any old way you like for a simple DC application like this. I used a thyristor as the latch, but you could use a relay too. The LED intensity was governed by various resistors and the pulsing indication merely switched a blinking LED in series with the indication LEDs. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:47:33 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Battery Question - test device References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Don Rowe writes >They were Standard AA Varta Bateries I got from Ritz Camera Shop. As >for the cells you kind of just educated me on that one cause I didn't >know there was a differance. Lastlly when it comes to rechargeable >batteries there is proof that you do have to "condition" your bateries >about once a year I kill all of my 18v Dewalt batteries then let them >sit over the weekend and poof on monday they run again!!!! when I'm all >done I notice about a 45 min extension in run time!! Well worth it if >your a traveling tech. Quick note about discharging power tool batteries. When a torch or drill with the trigger taped in (!!!!!!) is used to discharge a battery until it is flat, then the battery has been given a serious bit of abuse. As soon as your drill battery slows down it should be recharged despite the urge to just get those last few turns out of it. The reason is that the cells in a battery pack tend to have slightly different capacities through manufacturing tolerances and as soon as one goes flat it will effectively be driven in reverse as the other cells continue to push current through it. It may suffer further loss of capacity as a result and die sooner next time with a cumulative effect. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:14:00 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: References: On 9/2/06, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > Specifically, I'd love to see a system that had 12-18 3-position toggles with up >being "solo", middle being "off" and down being "controlled by the master". Pilot >lights above and below each switch. DMX, etc cable run to backstage driving a >number of SMALL and probably solid-state 120v relays (max 1 amp each) to >control the cuelights. Anyone out there make such a thing, or can make it >for....er.....less than a fortune? I have seen a controller that functions the way you described. It was made by Motion Labs, custom I believe. The controller shell was the same shell Motion labs uses for its larger chain motor controllers, turned sideways. The Cue light circuits were still 120v 12/3 or multi-runs, IIRC. There was a PD located at dimmer beach that the controller trigged, and cue light cable runs branched out from there. Not sure what it cost. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F97710.9080308 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:20:32 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Cue lights? References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > In message , seanrmc [at] earthlink.net writes >> Specifically, I'd love to see a system that had 12-18 3-position >> toggles with up being "solo", middle being "off" and down being >> "controlled by the master". Pilot lights above and below each switch. >> DMX, etc cable run to backstage driving a number of SMALL and >> probably solid-state 120v relays (max 1 amp each) to control the >> cuelights. Anyone out there make such a thing, or can make it >> for....er.....less than a fortune? > > The problem with using DMX to control cuelights is that the best > systems allow the person receiving a standby signal to acknowledge it > before getting the GO indication. A DMX version wouldn't be able to > communicate back. On the other hand you could easily build one that > used ordinary DMX cable as a generic 3-core cable. RDM could be a solution to the feedback. The controller could poll the remotes quite fast enough, seeing that the acknowledgment is not super time critical. Even dropping DMX for some other protocol would make it easy enough to make a low cost solution. I'm part way through the remote board design as we speak! Too good an idea to leave alone. :-) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F98626.80701 [at] northstate.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:24:54 -0400 From: Todd Dupree Subject: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect References: In-Reply-To: Hi All, I need some help - I am at a 30 year-old facility in North Carolina that is city owned. While we have upgraded our technical areas in the last few years, the facility itself is showing its age. We have been pushing for capital improvements funding to update the facility itself - bathrooms, lobby, walls, concessions, seating, etc. The staff has developed a list of what needs to be done, but the city administration wants us to hire a theatrical consultant or architect to do a formal needs assessment and come up with an comprehensive plan. What I need to is a list of 4-6 consultants that specialize in theaters. Has anyone out there gone through a similar remodeling and has been happy with their 'professional help'? We would prefer someone closeby just to save travel money, but want to make sure we get the right person. Thanks for the help, Todd Dupree Facility Manager High Point Theatre High Point, North Carolina ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007401c6ce93$8c4eb2c0$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Cue lights Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:27:32 -0500 Thanks to whoever raised this question. I have not designed a cue light system for quite a few years - believe it was GE RR7 relays and toggle switches since dmx was new at the time - but now I have an owner who has asked for them at the lock rail and fly galleries. I'm proposing three lights paralleled at each location - cast lampholders (A19 lamps) with colored glass lenses and then paralleling an outlet to each. That allows them to plug in anything, though I was thinking in particular of the three colored rope lights I saw taped to the index light at the Fox in Atlanta. Once they have outlets that can be controlled from any location that a stage manager or board op or even a wireless remote focus unit could be located, it seems only limited by getting a cable to a light. (They could use the "system" to trigger other things I suppose.) I'll also put a local switch on each light. Portable switch box is a 5 button Unison or equal station, so action can be whatever is programmed. (I'm thinking that there will be a button for each of the three circuits that besides turning that one on, turns the other two off, and maybe a master all off and all on - not sure about that last one. It could toggle a chase or flashing on or off.....) Right now they're dimmers because I have spare space in the house dimmer rack and I think it adds a great deal of flexibility but they could be relays if that were less expensive. (I like the fact that with programming, the switches could be used to trigger or initiate other events.) So, take your shots. I've still got several months before final plans goes to the contractor. Bill Conner ASTC ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2B5E51EF-67C4-4F2B-BCC2-7EBFC25B4064 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Cue lights? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:11:37 -0400 On 2 Sep 2006, at 02:42, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > Specifically, I'd love to see a system that had 12-18 3-position > toggles with up being "solo", middle being "off" and down being > "controlled by the master". Pilot lights above and below each switch. Sounds to me a lot like the old Scrimmer two scene lighting boards. (But without the dimmer controls) If this follows the same evolutionary track, you will eventually be able to program "Cue" Cues in for the whole show, and then just press the "Go" button when it's time to send the next cue! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: That wouldn't be Grand Lake by any chance, would it? Steve Rees=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Laura McMeley Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:04 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: 'Anna' Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- You reminded me of a story. I once worked in a theatre in a small town in Colorado where they left the building unheated during the winter. There was no resident company, but they used the room for town meetings occasionally in the winter. They would come in and turn on all the stage lights to warm up the building I was told. This explained why the lenses in every lamp where cracked! Fortunately I had brought some of my own lights for that gig. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: Go to www.theatreconsultants.org for a comprehensive list of consultants. You might have noted that there are members of that organization on this list from time to time. If you check the membership list, you will find at least a couple who are near to you. Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Todd Dupree Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:25 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi All, I need some help - I am at a 30 year-old facility in North Carolina that is city owned. While we have upgraded our technical areas in the last few years, the facility itself is showing its age. We have been pushing for capital improvements funding to update the facility itself - bathrooms, lobby, walls, concessions, seating, etc. The staff has developed a list of what needs to be done, but the city administration wants us to hire a theatrical consultant or architect to do a formal needs assessment and come up with an comprehensive plan. What I need to is a list of 4-6 consultants that specialize in theaters. Has anyone out there gone through a similar remodeling and has been happy with their 'professional help'? We would prefer someone closeby just to save travel money, but want to make sure we get the right person. Thanks for the help, Todd Dupree Facility Manager High Point Theatre High Point, North Carolina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:57:58 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 2 Sep 2006, Bruce Purdy wrote: > track, you will eventually be able to program "Cue" Cues in for the whole > show, and then just press the "Go" button when it's time to send the next > cue! Now you are describing something that is dangerously close to a good old standard show control system! Careful or you could be accused of trying to push theatre into the 20th century ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:00:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: William Ivey Long is currently working on a redesign of the theatre at North Carolina St U. John McIlwee is the chairman there, he might be able to connect you to him. There's probably a Theatre 411 type book for NYC that would have a phone number and address. The folks at Lost Colony could probably connect you to him also. I think he owns a house in Chapel Hill. Steve > From: Todd Dupree > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:24:54 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > > I need some help - I am at a 30 year-old facility in North Carolina that > is city owned. While we have upgraded our technical areas in the last > few years, the facility itself is showing its age. We have been pushing > for capital improvements funding to update the facility itself - > bathrooms, lobby, walls, concessions, seating, etc. The staff has > developed a list of what needs to be done, but the city administration > wants us to hire a theatrical consultant or architect to do a formal > needs assessment and come up with an comprehensive plan. What I need to > is a list of 4-6 consultants that specialize in theaters. Has anyone > out there gone through a similar remodeling and has been happy with > their 'professional help'? We would prefer someone closeby just to save > travel money, but want to make sure we get the right person. > > Thanks for the help, > > Todd Dupree > Facility Manager > High Point Theatre > High Point, North Carolina ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:38:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c6cea5$c9d0fc40$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: Nope. A tiny town called Lake City. Laura > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of > Stephen.Rees [at] fredonia.edu > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:28 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > That wouldn't be Grand Lake by any chance, would it? > Steve Rees > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Laura > McMeley > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:04 PM > To: Stagecraft > Cc: 'Anna' > Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > You reminded me of a story. I once worked in a theatre in a small town > in Colorado where they left the building unheated during the winter. > There was no resident company, but they used the room for town meetings > occasionally in the winter. They would come in and turn on all the stage > lights to warm up the building I was told. This explained why the lenses > in every lamp where cracked! Fortunately I had brought some of my own > lights for that gig. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F9A7AA.7070507 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:47:54 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: ESTA Electrician exam confusions Just was looking at the PDF version of the Electrican certification booklet. http://www.etcp.esta.org/candidateinfo/electricalexams/docs/ETCP%20Handbook%20Electrical%20Full.pdf First, page 14 section 1.a.7-9 have operations misspelled. Can somebody pass that on to the people who can fix it. Second, I was confused by sample question 3, is this a specific language type thing, ie. Grounded vs. Grounding, or could a reasonable person not read the question as assuming that the equipment to be worked on is powered from one breaker in the panel and thus making answer b correct. If one assumes the equipment has a breaker, shutting down the whole panel strikes me as serious overkill. If the work is in the panel, then panel becomes equipment, and the logical shut-off is still the feed to that panel. Can anybody help me understand whether I just don't get it, or is the phrasing of the sample question a mistake like the spelling error? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Cue lights Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:55:36 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Bill Conner wrote: >I was thinking in particular of the three >colored rope lights I saw taped to the >index light at the Fox in Atlanta. I just saw the same type of set up at DeVos Hall in Grand Rapids this week while there on an inspection. The rope lights were placed behind the t-bars at the rail at eye level. They just plugged them into DMX controlled circuits. Red, white, and green (I assume for "Ready-Set-Go"). Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:57:45 -0400 From: Brendan Quigley Subject: Re: Cue Lights? In-reply-to: Message-id: <17551E3D-3826-4E1F-BD04-3A57EADE4458 [at] earthlink.net> References: Howdy y'all ... Larry Wild tapped: > I was just wondering, does anybody still use cue lights? Or, have they > gone the way of the piano board. > Larry Wild > Northern State University You should specify at what level; here on my show, we've got 'em shotgunned all over the theater. For the tour, we built a lot of them into the rig. I've also happily left Red/Green/Yellow rope light on the fly rails in some of the finest theater's in the country. A few places already had rope light in place, and many had them wired so that male pins terminated against the front wall. A nice addition, and it made things much easier for us to sort them out. The tour used a low voltage system, and my big show uses a 120v system. When I was teaching in Texas, I don't think my student's had ever seen/heard of a cue light system. I had wanted to install one eventually, but I left before I got that far down my list. Kind Regards, Brendan C. Quigley Head Electrician / Vari*Lite Technician WICKED - A New Broadway Musical ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:03:03 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Todd Dupree wrote: >What I need to is a list of 4-6 consultants that specialize in = theaters. Has anyone=20 >out there gone through a similar remodeling and has been happy with=20 >their 'professional help'? We would prefer someone close by just to = save=20 >travel money, but want to make sure we get the right person. OK - Warning! Blatant commercial post...=20 You may be hard pressed to find that many qualified consultants = concentrated in your area. That being said... Pick me! Pick me! (or at least call me?) ;-) Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Cue lights Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:30:58 -0400 Marty Petlock ( late of Van Wezel Hall in Sarasota ) put this same thing in about 3 years ago, , , I love it On Sep 2, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Peter Scheu wrote: Bill Conner wrote: > I was thinking in particular of the three > colored rope lights I saw taped to the > index light at the Fox in Atlanta. I just saw the same type of set up at DeVos Hall in Grand Rapids this week while there on an inspection. The rope lights were placed behind the t-bars at the rail at eye level. They just plugged them into DMX controlled circuits. Red, white, and green (I assume for "Ready-Set-Go"). Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:46:10 -0500 Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Stuart, In the theater there are items that are fed from multiple panels and multiple breakers. For example many connector or distro strips have dimmer circuits fed from a dimmer and non-dim circuits fed from a separate breaker panel. Emergency transfer switches are getting power from an emergency power feed panel and a dimmer rack or multiple dimmer racks. In these cases all sources of electricity need to be disconnected before working on the equipment. Also grounding and grounded have different meanings in the NEC. Does that help? Greg Persinger On 9/2/06 10:47 AM, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Just was looking at the PDF version of the Electrican certification booklet. > > > http://www.etcp.esta.org/candidateinfo/electricalexams/docs/ETCP%20Handbook%20 > Electrical%20Full.pdf > > > > First, page 14 section 1.a.7-9 have operations misspelled. Can somebody > pass that on to the people who can fix it. > > Second, I was confused by sample question 3, is this a specific language > type thing, ie. Grounded vs. Grounding, or could a reasonable person not > read the question as assuming that the equipment to be worked on is > powered from one breaker in the panel and thus making answer b correct. > If one assumes the equipment has a breaker, shutting down the whole > panel strikes me as serious overkill. If the work is in the panel, then > panel becomes equipment, and the logical shut-off is still the feed to > that panel. > > Can anybody help me understand whether I just don't get it, or is the > phrasing of the sample question a mistake like the spelling error? > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:32:15 -0400 Peter, , it's bad enough that you are jumping up and down like a little school boy, , , but it came through twice, , once at 1:28 and once at 1:30 ? once wasn't enough ( just kidding ) On Sep 2, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Peter Scheu wrote: Pick me! Pick me! (or at least call me?) ;-) Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:27:23 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >Peter, , it's bad enough that you are jumping up and down like a >little school boy, , , >but it came through twice, , once at 1:28 and once at 1:30 ? Oops. Phat phingers Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F9CEB1.7040206 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:34:25 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions References: In-Reply-To: Greg Persinger wrote: > > Stuart, > > In the theater there are items that are fed from multiple panels and > multiple breakers. > > For example many connector or distro strips have dimmer circuits fed from a > dimmer and non-dim circuits fed from a separate breaker panel. Emergency > transfer switches are getting power from an emergency power feed panel and a > dimmer rack or multiple dimmer racks. > > In these cases all sources of electricity need to be disconnected before > working on the equipment. Obviously, But I read the b answer as saying that you are turning off only the power to the equipment, that could be multiple circuits, but only isolating the equipment being worked on. > > Also grounding and grounded have different meanings in the NEC. I am well aware of that, that's why I used it as an example. Does equipment also mean panel? or do they refer to separate things. I read "equipment" in the question as a motor, or motor controller, dimmer rack, or something else that is hard wired and fed from a breaker in a "panel". The answer seems to assume that the work is being done inside the panel, not in the equipment. Case in point, if replacing the motor on the shop air compressor, I lock-out and tag-out the breaker for the compressor, I might have to kill a circuit for the motor starter or a timer as well, but I do not kill power to the breaker panel supplying all the equipment on that side of the room. That is how I read answer d, IF 'panel' and 'equipment' are not the same thing. > > Does that help? Nope, but I thank you for the effort, and look forward to sorting this out with you and others. Thanks, Stuart ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:29:59 GMT Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions Message-Id: <20060902.113005.15735.366465 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Perhaps a working knowledge of the NEC, specifically Article 520 et = seq, as periodically re-examined with revisions suggested by Panel = 15, might be in order before studying for specific areas tested by = the ETCP exam which leans heavily on testing the examinees knowledge = of Best Practices in our very small sector of the electrical industry. /s/ Richard ___________________________________ Stuart, In the theater there are items that are fed from multiple panels and multiple breakers. For example many connector or distro strips have dimmer circuits fed = from a dimmer and non-dim circuits fed from a separate breaker panel. = Emergency transfer switches are getting power from an emergency power = feed panel and a dimmer rack or multiple dimmer racks. In these cases all sources of electricity need to be disconnected = before working on the equipment. Also grounding and grounded have different meanings in the NEC. Does that help? Greg Persinger _______________________ > Just was looking at the PDF version of the Electrican certification = booklet. > http://www.etcp.esta.org/candidateinfo/electricalexams/docs/ETCP% 20Handbook%20 > Electrical%20Full.pdf > First, page 14 section 1.a.7-9 have operations misspelled. Can = somebody pass that on to the people who can fix it. > Second, I was confused by sample question 3, is this a specific = language type thing, ie. Grounded vs. Grounding, or could a reasonable person not read the question as assuming that the equipment to be = worked on is powered from one breaker in the panel and thus making = answer b correct. > If one assumes the equipment has a breaker, shutting down the = whole panel strikes me as serious overkill. If the work is in the = panel, then panel becomes equipment, and the logical shut-off is = still the feed to that panel. > Can anybody help me understand whether I just don't get it, or is = the phrasing of the sample question a mistake like the spelling error? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:44:39 -0400 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Cc: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Tasty. In-Reply-To: References:

I'm sure that you could come up with a quick pizza oven using a 1k, a cardboard box and some aluminum foil (not black wrap). We used to do that all the time using charcoal or a small fire while camping; just make sure you've got the box lined properly on the inside and you won't have to worry about it bursting into flames. A thermometer and vent are also nice accessories, depending on your budget and available construction time. I wonder if a dutch oven (make sure your safeties are in order!) would work over a 1k? You can get some pretty tasty stuff together with one of those... On 8/31/06, Kent Laue wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Speaking of on the job cooking, anyone know if a 575 or 750 watt > Source Four with the lens barrel removed would be good for cooking(I > was thinking about boiling water for ramen or spaghetti...maybe even > pizza...)? > ~Kent > > On 8/31/06, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > would the shift downwards into a lower > > > colour temperature with higher infra red content cause the wok to get > > > hotter > > > > Is the absolute IR level actually higher, or is IR just a greater percentage > > of the output? > > > > > -- Greg Bennett Carpenter/Grip/Electrician Mount Washington Valley Theatre Company Eastern Slope Inn Playhouse North Conway, New Hampshire ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:44:19 GMT Subject: Re: Remodeling - Need Consultant/Architect Message-Id: <20060902.114516.15735.366505 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> And if you need someone to get a regulation modified, a 'hardship = exemption' granted, or a 'Finding of Equivalency' by a government = agency, then 'Give me a call, Before tear down a wall'. /s/ Richard = Theatrical Attorney and Builder of Live Theatres ~Los Angeles Designer's Theatre, Studio City, CA~ _________________________________ Todd Dupree wrote: >What I need to is a list of 4-6 consultants that specialize in = theaters. Has anyone out there gone through a similar remodeling and has been = happy with their 'professional help'? We would prefer someone close = by just to save travel money, but want to make sure we get the right = person. OK - Warning! Blatant commercial post... = You may be hard pressed to find that many qualified consultants = concentrated in your area. That being said... Pick me! Pick me! (or at least call me?) ;-) Peter Scheu = Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902120205.00c43f20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:02:05 From: CB Subject: Re: Speaking of Magazines >He chose "Blarney Green" as the Chroma-key color. I think maybe our Rosco reps here on the list should tell you about this first mistake... >Unfortunately, the colors of the spacesuits were blue and yellow Which, had the backgroiund color been right, may have not been a problem. Decent chroma-key kit should be able to distinguish fairly well between different variations of the same color (we've done sky blue overalls on a blue key background, and dark blue cop uniforms as well) so I'd suspect the gear as well. Lighting is very important, but I don' know nuthin' 'bout no lighting, Mizz Scarlet. Blue is still used for warmer scenes with lots of green and junk, for closeups (less blue in the skin colors than green..) and stuff, but green is the most receptive color to digital imaging, can be re-created with lights in the cameras, great for stuff with a lot of blue in it, and my camera guys tell me that the blue particulates in the film are larger than the green ones, so you get a finer edge with green. >It was funny, but not intentional. 'Slike I said, "Green screen is for laughs and liars." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F9DA85.1000501 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:24:53 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > Perhaps a working knowledge of the NEC, specifically Article 520 et > seq, as periodically re-examined with revisions suggested by Panel > 15, might be in order before studying for specific areas tested by > the ETCP exam which leans heavily on testing the examinees knowledge > of Best Practices in our very small sector of the electrical industry. Yes, If I had not encountered the spelling errors, I probably would have assumed that "Equipment" was a heretofore unknown synonym for panel, panelboard, breaker panel, switchboard. But, since I found poor spell checking, I wondered if poor writing was the culprit for my incorrect choice. Obviously, the answer involves lock-out. If D said "at the panel" instead of "to the panel" it would have been obvious the test wanted to determine whether multiple sources could power a piece of equipment. As written, it could also test whether an electrician turns off unnecessary stuff. D also seems to make a distinction between panel and equipment, and de-powering a panel before working on equipment is overkill when B offers a chance to de-power only the equipment you need to service. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:28:17 -0700 From: "Mat Goebel" Subject: Re: Cue Lights? In-Reply-To: References:

Okay, being young, I've never seen a cue light system in the wild. How are they used? How does the person being cued know what cue is being called? Do they just have to pay attention? On 02/09/06, Brendan Quigley wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy y'all ... Larry Wild tapped: > > > I was just wondering, does anybody still use cue lights? Or, have they > > gone the way of the piano board. > > Larry Wild > > Northern State University > > You should specify at what level; here on my show, we've got 'em > shotgunned all over the theater. For the tour, we built a lot of > them into the rig. I've also happily left Red/Green/Yellow rope > light on the fly rails in some of the finest theater's in the > country. -- Mat Goebel www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902123318.00c43f20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:33:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Tasty. >In reality it was done in a position where the only things below were >trees and grass. ...so steep and far down that I was motivated to take a picture the last time I was there. Of course, now all I can find is a photo of a cute girl standing in front of the entrance, and another of the same girl standing on the other side of the yard leading to 'The Mile'. Trust me, anyone that attempts an escalade from there should be expecting it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F9E145.20004 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:53:41 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Cue Lights? References:

In-Reply-To: Mat Goebel wrote: > Okay, being young, I've never seen a cue light system in the wild. > > How are they used? How does the person being cued know what cue is > being called? Do they just have to pay attention? > Imagine a fly floor, Not a good place to run around with a wired headset, and even a wireless headset can get hung up in the ropes when running cues, so you put cue lights behind the rail. The warning comes on headset, or just because the lights come on. You check your cue sheet, then go to the rope. When the lights go off, you run your cue. Also handy for times when actors need to be cued to enter, often placed beside or over a door. Very handy in some farces or shakespearean plays when the actor must just miss seeing somebody else. Musicians are also often cued with lights since they don't want to block their ears with headsets. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902124353.00c43f20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:43:53 From: CB Subject: Re: Off Topic: When A Community Theater Company Member Drops Out >I just had a cast >member walk out because I dared to suggest that the cast members >should also make an effort to sell tickets and should aim to sell at >least TEN tickets each (most of ticket sales for community theatre >here in South Africa are generated by cast members) And another >walked out of sympathy. >Try and beat that for inconsiderate :-) Hey, at least you found out early, and were saved the embarassment of having to heave them out on their collective asses later! I've been tempted to walk. I will *not* allow myself to be abused. I can work very long hours in very uncomfortable conditions while doing without food, and have. I will not work without water available, nor will I allow producer, director, TD, SM, whomever, to shout and curse at me. The first time I'll speak to the source of the check, the second I'll speak to the source of the problem, and the third time I'll have my bags in my hand when I let them know that the problem is unsolvable. I finished a children's ballet (not what you're thinking, this was a school for ballerinas and DF's and many graduated to prominent finishing schools and ballet companies) because of the kids and crew. I also threatened to walk at a show where speakers were left on a rounded balcony rail restiong on a milk crate and a dustpan (to lean them out over the rail and point them down a bit) with only a speaker wire to stop them from crashing into people's heads should one of the elderly ushers accidently nudge them while searching for more programs in the dark. They were set in some juliets wehre programs were stored. There are good reasons to walk. There just aren't many. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902124947.00c43f20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:49:47 From: CB Subject: Re: Cue lights? >We are also tossing around the idea of >installing a system on the fly rail for the times when >we need to have multiple linesets run at the same >time. We only have the com system set up for a single >flyman to wear while operating the ropes. Seen it a million times. Three or four rope lights, white, red, green, and blue. White on top, the rest follow, and you can call different ropes with different colors. Run them all across the back wall, or above the rail, whatever. All color-blind folk have to do is remember White is made up of R G and B. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902130159.00c43f20 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:01:59 From: CB Subject: Cheap data logging >Came with test leads, software, K-type thermocouple >probe, AA batteries. Which one? The closest thing I found was the TP4000ZC, but no thermocouple is mentioned. What am I missing? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44F9EB45.7090707 [at] look.ca> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:36:21 -0400 From: Steve Little Subject: Cue Lights I am a volunteer Technical Director with a community theatre in Cookstown Ontario. I needed a controller for for several circuits that would be either on or off. Rather than tie up my limited number of dimmer circuits I found a two wire remote control manufactured by Velleman Kits. It has ten circuits which are switched on and off by a remote board connected by two wires to the main board. The remote board gets its power from the main board. It is capable of driving leds directly or relays for heavier loads. By driving the inputs of a second board you could have confirmation of the circuit or a manual signal back from the remote location. Here in Canada it is avaialable from Q-Kits. They also have a single channel DMX Dimmer circuit board. Steve Little ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:14:56 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Cheap data logging In-reply-to: Message-id: <35A040C4-BD47-42F7-BE4C-7A015499A49B [at] interstellar.com> References: On Sep 2, 2006, at 1:01 PM, CB wrote: > Which one? The closest thing I found was the TP4000ZC, but no > thermocouple > is mentioned. What am I missing? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ That's it. Like a lot of Asian products, the description doesn't perfectly match. It came with a K type probe and uses AA batteries, not 9V. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:48:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8C89CF0ABAD7363-13C-F4 [at] mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Cue Lights? Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net =C2=A0 Mat Goebel wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Okay, being young, I've never seen a cue light system in the wild.=C2=A0 > > How are they used? How does the person being cued know what cue is=C2= =A0 > being called? Do they just have to pay attention?=C2=A0 It's always a good idea to pay attention when you're backstage, or=20 anywhere else in a theatre. I have, from the control room, watched an=20 awful lot of indifferent performances of what are sometimes damn bad=20 plays, watching or listening for my cues. We do not, as a rule, call=20 shows, but rely on responsible and well-informed operators. > =C2=A0 Imagine a fly floor, Not a good place to run around with a wired=20 headset, and even a wireless headset can get hung up in the ropes when=20 running cues, so you put cue lights behind the rail. The warning comes=20 on headset, or just because the lights come on. You check your cue=20 sheet, then go to the rope. When the lights go off, you run your cue.=C2=A0 The UK method is different. We use two colour cue lights. RED means=20 stand-by for your next cue, and GREEN means 'do it'. It is up to you to=20 know what the actual cue is. There are fancier systems. The one we have=20 puts up a flashing red, which changes to a steady red when=20 acknowledged, both at the remote station and at the SM desk, This=20 assures the SM that there is someone ready to execute the cue. =C2=A0 Also handy for times when actors need to be cued to enter, often placed=20 beside or over a door. Very handy in some farces or shakespearean plays=20 when the actor must just miss seeing somebody else.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Musicians are also often cued with lights since they don't want to=20 block their ears with headsets.=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:13:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8C89CF429E1C1CB-13C-1B7 [at] mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Battery Question - test device Frank Wood writes: >I built a test jig to simulate normal usage. Now that sounds like a really useful device. Proof of performance testing? How about writing that up for a DYI project. We have a lot of different types of batteries around the stage & shop that have varying degrees of useful duration. One is always left with the question whether it is the battery, or the charger, or the device that is under performing. Other than just switching things around for a process of elimination, what can be done to quantify battery output in terms that relate to getting work done? Not an awful lot. With primary cells, I managed to set up some useful tests. Never with secondary cells. Their usage was so variable. 8A start surges, about 1A running, and a very low stand-by current.Fast charging is also difficult. I once sprayed a battery pack all over my workshop. as did a commercial fast charger. It's a tricky subject. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FA053D.5040407 [at] fastmail.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:27:09 -0400 From: John Huntington Cc: Show-Control [at] yahoogroups.com (Show Control) Cc: Theatre-Sound [at] Listserv.aol.com (Theatre Sound Mailing List) Subject: Photos for Control Systems for Live Entertainment, Third Edition I already posted a call for a show control cover shot for the third edition of my book, but as I go through the book, I'm now also looking for pretty pictures for each of the disciplines: Lighting Lasers Audio Video/Film Computer Presentation (corporate event, most likely) Stage Machinery Animatronics Fog, Smoke, Fire and Water Pyrotechnics Show Control (I'm not sure how to get a picture of that discipline). I'm looking for a relatively high resolution photo for which you own the rights (you'll have to sign a release). I've already got tons of technical and equipment photos, what I'm looking for here are glamorous shots of shows. I'd prefer performers take on a minimal role in the photos, so that costumes, etc won't seem dated in future years. The photo will be printed in gray scale. I can't offer any money (this is a money losing proposition already), but there is lots of glory! :-) I might be able to wrangle you a free copy of the book, but that's all still in the works now... Please email me offlist, and if you're going to send a large file, please send me a separate message with no attachments to give me a heads up (spam filter and all). Thanks! John Huntington http://www.zircondesigns.com/ ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:35:33 GMT Subject: Re: Photos for Control Systems for Live Entertainment, Third Edition Message-Id: <20060902.153553.18186.434706 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Dear John, It sounds like if you have a recognizable performer in the shot at = all, you will want to get a copy of the release that they signed, too. /s/ Richard ________________________ I already posted a call for a show control cover shot for the third = edition of my book, but as I go through the book, I'm now also = looking for pretty pictures for each of the disciplines: I'm looking for a relatively high resolution photo for which you own = the rights (you'll have to sign a release). what I'm looking = for here are glamorous shots of shows. I'd prefer performers take on = a minimal role in the photos, John Huntington ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:49:16 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: Cue lights In-Reply-To: References:

On 9/2/06, Peter Scheu wrote: > Red, white, and green (I assume for "Ready-Set-Go"). More likely 3 seperate cues. Light on is stand-by, light off is go. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5E30365F-E352-490F-91DD-5DD2C7EE3433 [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Cue lights Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:17:33 -0400 Actually, that would normally be to allow you to run multiple cues without confusion. On Sep 2, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Peter Scheu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Conner wrote: > >> I was thinking in particular of the three >> colored rope lights I saw taped to the >> index light at the Fox in Atlanta. > > I just saw the same type of set up at DeVos Hall in Grand Rapids > this week > while there on an inspection. The rope lights were placed behind > the t-bars > at the rail at eye level. They just plugged them into DMX controlled > circuits. Red, white, and green (I assume for "Ready-Set-Go"). --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:04:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Cue lights Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <44F9B984.10919.513E001 [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: We have three different cue light systems in our three spaces. And in general the one we have the most issues with is the one that is fully ingenerated into the dimmers through the Unison system. The control station is vastly over engineered from an operational point of view, I would bet the person who designed was never a stage manager. And since it records snapshots of the DMX signal and injects them back into the data stream we occasionally have it turning on house lights, what ever was being focused or my favorite, triggering a VL to reset. > Portable switch box is a 5 button Unison or equal station While the dimming system provides a great way to get points around the space, the control needs to be straight forward. The more complex it is the more chances of failure (mechanical or operator) which defeats one of the great advantages of a cue light system. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <495.868a222.322b961e [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 22:21:18 EDT Subject: Re: Cue Lights? _mgoebel [at] gmail.com_ (mailto:mgoebel [at] gmail.com) writes: << Okay, being young, I've never seen a cue light system in the wild. How are they used? How does the person being cued know what cue is being called? Do they just have to pay attention? >> I don't think anyone has actually addressed the "how" part of your question... The light is normally "off". At the "stand by" call the light switches on; for "go" the light switches off again. Often, the different colors are for different people. For example, the one of the fly folks would be "red" and another would be "blue" with each person getting his cue from the corresponding light. All the light does is give the timing. The person doing the cue would have "what" to do in writing somewhere. I've seen big charts made for fly ops for musicals - some timed to the minute and second, but still reliant on the stage manager to flip the switches for their cue lights. In a recent production, I was a deck carpenter that had cues delivered by lights because we were onstage hidden behind a wagon. The first cue was to release the wagon from it's locked position. A few moments later the light went on again as a stand by to move the wagon when the light went off. HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 03:42:07 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Tasty. References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >>In reality it was done in a position where the only things below were >>trees and grass. > >...so steep and far down that I was motivated to take a picture the >last time I was there. Of course, now all I can find is a photo of a >cute girl standing in front of the entrance, and another of the same >girl standing on the other side of the yard leading to 'The Mile'. >Trust me, anyone that attempts an escalade from there should be >expecting it. A Google video clip from this years Tattoo..... http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6320619179108008037 The New Zealand band. One of the lighter moments in the show. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0609021942m4707759cp8790b0a77168b318 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:42:10 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Cc: LMcMeley [at] msn.com (Laura McMeley) Subject: Smal Town in Colorado (was Freezing Dance Floor ) "Laura McMeley" writes: << ...... I once worked in a theatre in a small town in Colorado where they left the building unheated during the winter. There was no resident company, but they used the room for town meetings occasionally in the winter. ...........................>> Laura, What town? I was raised in a small town in Colorado that for many years did summer drama in the town hall above the old fire station, and town meetings were held there at all times of the year. As the town is 9,000 feet high, the winters could get a mite chilly. My personal coldest winter was '69 or '70 IIRC when it hit -56 F. That was rare and cold, even for Crested Butte. Many of the old timers told of winters in the late 1900's that were even colder. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ References: <55C05C68-8173-453C-862E-1273F0A8D4C8 [at] rochester.rr.com> Message-Id: <9FEFBB5C-4817-4056-9753-DC015836C0A6 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: OT: British Revoke USA Independence Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 23:21:02 -0400 BRITISH REVOKE USA INDEPENDENCE: A Message from John Cleese To the citizens of the United States of America: In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (excepting Kansas, which she does not fancy). Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1 You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. 2 The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour'. Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix 'ize' will be replaced by the suffix ise. 3 Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels, (look up vocabulary). 4 Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. 5 There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize. 6 You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save the Queen. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. 7 You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. 8 Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone, or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun. 9 Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public. 10 All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 11 All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. 12 At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour. 13 The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline)-roughly $6/US gallon. Get used to it. 14 You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar. 15 The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of Further confusion. 16 Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater. 17 You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full Kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). 18 Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. 19 You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad. An internal revenue agent (i.e.tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776). Thank you for your co-operation. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1113.205.215.255.172.1157269027.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cue Lights? From: "Bill Nelson" > The light is normally "off". > > At the "stand by" call the light switches on; for "go" the light switches > off again. That is one way. I have also seen bi-color leds used. The light goes on with the first color to warn the person to get ready. The color changes to indicate "Go". At a convenient time, the light is then switched off. The two colors can be produced over two wires, not three as most people would believe. Bill ------------------------------ From: John Arrowsmith Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:46:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20069384646.218655 [at] arrowsmiths> Subject: Big Clive at Edinburgh ??! Could the tiny black blob at the end of the pushpin here:- http://tinyurl.com/k8szh be Big Clive doing an earlier fryup at Edinburgh ? (The url takes you to a "Windows Live Local" aerial photo) Best wishes :)) John -- John Arrowsmith (john [at] arrowsmith.demon.co.uk) Voluntary website provider / editor for the annual schools / colleges anti-substance-abuse performing-arts extravaganza called UK Rock Challenge at http://www.rockchallenge.co.uk ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #935 *****************************