Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34409292; Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:02:00 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #937 Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #937 1. Re: Cue lights? by Charlie Richmond 2. Re: Cue lights? by "Brian Munroe" 3. Re: Cue lights? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. Re: Cue lights? by Clive Mitchell 5. Re: Cue lights? by Clive Mitchell 6. Re: Vortek by "Daniel O'Donnell" 7. Re: Cue lights? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 8. Re: Cue lights by "Bill Conner" 9. Cue lights: by b Ricie 10. Re: Cue lights? by Mick Alderson 11. Re: Cue lights: by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 12. Re: Cue lights? by Clive Mitchell 13. Re: Cue lights? by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 14. Re: Cue lights? by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: Cue lights? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 16. Re: Cue lights: by "Brian Munroe" 17. Re: Cue lights? by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 18. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by Dorian Kelly 19. Re: Cue lights? by Charlie Richmond 20. Re: Cue lights? by Charlie Richmond 21. Re: Cue lights: by Charlie Richmond 22. Re: Cue lights? by Howard Ires 23. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by Clive Mitchell 24. Re: Cue Lights? by "Nigel Worsley" 25. Re: Battery Question by "Nigel Worsley" 26. Re: cue lights by CB 27. Re: cue lights by Dale farmer 28. EpiPen by "C. Dopher" 29. Re: cue lights by Clive Mitchell 30. Re: Battery Question by Clive Mitchell 31. Re: EpiPen by Clive Mitchell 32. Re: Cue Lights? by Andy Ciddor 33. Re: Cue Lights? by "Bill Nelson" 34. Re: cue lights by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by Clive Mitchell 37. color blind cue lights by Judy 38. Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:05:25 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > Glad to see this discussion still going on. Love or hate them, a lot of us > deal with cue lights all the time. It's about time _somebody_ made something > that was decently priced, easy to use, and "off the shelf". Show control systems have been 'off the shelf' for a long time now and so have MIDI powered relays. Why reinvent the wheel? ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:04:02 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: References:

> Why do people continue to > use lamps anyway? Is it purely for the brightness? I would have thought > that high brightness diffused 10mm LED's would be enough for most > situations. If the talent/crew are looking are the cue lights anyway > what does it matter how bright they are? Sometimes you are not staring directly at the cue light. Often you are looking at the light from a fair distance away, across in the other wing maybe. If you are on the rail you might be looking at the set of cue lights further down the rail so your head is not looking up too far while waiting for that light to go out. When I am running automation consoles with multiple cues running, I am paying attention to the computer monitor and the video monitors, I see the cue lights go out thru peripheral vision. So a cue light has to be able to be seen from a distance, from many different angles, and be easily replaced if it fails. I think that is why bulbs are still used and the double golf ball cue light is the most popular. As far as using the dimming system for cue lights, I agree with June. It seems overly complicated and tempting fate to combine cue lights with dimmers. Keep the cue lights seperate. I have seen cue lights run thru dimmer patch panels for easier cable runs, but never using the actual dimmers or control system. Show Control for cue lights? Perhaps if you are already using show control on your show for other elements. Who would program it, the already swamped SM? Throwing a switch is easy. What happens when cue order needs to change because the drop hangs up or the actor is late for his entrance? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Cue lights? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:39:44 -0400 Message-ID: <00cd01c6d01f$36a4c750$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Sometimes you are not staring directly at the cue light. > Often you are looking at the light from a fair distance away, > across in the other wing maybe. ...Or, in the case of actors awaiting entrances, they're in a brightly-lit environment. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6e5rFIDx3B$EFwlz [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:37:05 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue lights? References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Brian Munroe writes >Sometimes you are not staring directly at the cue light. Often you >are looking at the light from a fair distance away, across in the >other wing maybe. If you are on the rail you might be looking at the >set of cue lights further down the rail so your head is not looking up >too far while waiting for that light to go out. I think I put up the highest power cue light I've seen used. It was a 1K par can gelled red to signal to the assembled military personnel to salute when a member of the royal family made an appearance. It was so bright that they ended up using it to add an extra splash of colour to one of the acts. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:46:58 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue lights? References: In-Reply-To: In message , "Wild, Larry" writes >I was just wondering, does anybody still use cue lights? Or, have they >gone the way of the piano board. This is where one of the advantages of having generic cat-5 runs around a theatre rears it's head again. Without even having to bother about data or anything like that you could use a single cat-5 cable to run four cue lights utilising a pair each. With a bit of nifty circuitry you could even have two-colour and acknowledge built in. The serious dabbler could even make an LED cue light built into an RJ45 connector that simply plugged into an outlet. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9E4E0F0B-5DD9-4BA5-B3EE-6628269B8FE7 [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Vortek Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:54:19 -0400 Been working in a theater that has one for a couple of years now. They are nice systems. But like all systems they depend on programming time. That means that people have to know what they want before they start, or be willing to take the time during rehearsals for programming. On Sep 3, 2006, at 5:10 PM, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > well, I finally did a show in a HOFFEND VORTEK equipped theatre. > ( THE SAENGER THEATRE / MOBILE AL ) > > I wasn't "hands on" with it, but certainly observed it's operation > closely during load ins / out on two consecutive days of concerts > in the venue ( day 1 - Queensryche day 2 Robert Cray Band ) > > my my, , , have to say it was impressive. I can't wait to have it > for a real theatrical show with ques to program etc. > > I am sure that the price tag is impressive as well and I have no > idea of how well the system holds up over time, but my initial > reaction was that I was very very impressed. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:59:59 GMT Subject: Re: Cue lights? Message-Id: <20060904.060006.833.383480 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Besides, the 'Double Golf Ball' lights hung on the center of the = Balcony Rail to orient dancers and others is very traditional. To use = an analogy, the light beam from a lighthouse should always look = unambiguously like the light beam from a lighthouse, including beam = angle and the number of flashes per minute, should my GPS and/or = other navigational equipment suffer a catastrophic failure when I'm = near shore or dangerously close to a submerged obstruction. /s/ Richard ____________________________________ So a cue light has to be able to be seen from a distance, from many different angles, and be easily replaced if it fails. I think that is why bulbs are still used and the double golf ball cue light is the most popular. Brian Munroe ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c6d024$01232b80$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: re: Cue lights Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:14:07 -0500 June's excellent post included: I've seen some beautiful custom made boxes, and some less than beautiful ones. I believe the ones we are using on The Lion King are the commercial Motion Labs switches mentioned in another post. I would HIGHLY RESIST running cue lights through the dimmer system, as I think it is a waste of capacity and an unnecessary complication, but then, I realize that my views in this area are already known and not necessarily universally shared. I've never done or seen a tour that ran cue lights through the dimmer system. On tour where you are installing most of your wire for every show, no question. And I would question the need for a permanent cue light system in a tour house - since tours bring their own. (The lock rail might be an exception.) So in an otherwise resident situation - high school , college, or regional theatre - and for new construction, I'm looking at the dimming system as being the least expensive means - using spare slots and spare processor capacity and control wiring that's already required. Therefore, besides a couple of dimmer modules (or 1 if I used dimmer doubling???), and a few more wires in a pipe that is already needed, there is little cost. To run dedicated wiring and pipe would definitely coast way more. But I'm mindful of the need for simplicity and will consider the problems. Thanks. Bill C. ASTC ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060904141603.75026.qmail [at] web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Cue lights: In-Reply-To: First: June your response (as always) was terrific. Second: During this thread we have established that cue lights are a valuable communication tool in the theatre. SO....If it is communication, is the sound department responsible for cue lights? OR since it plugs in and lights up is it the responsibility of the electrics department? Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FC3753.5070603 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:25:23 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Cue lights? David Duffy wrote: > The DMX/RDM solution proposed can loop in/out of a whole bunch of cue > light units instead of having home-run wiring. Why do people continue to > use lamps anyway? Is it purely for the brightness? I would have thought > that high brightness diffused 10mm LED's would be enough for most > situations. If the talent/crew are looking are the cue lights anyway > what does it matter how bright they are? Maybe because they are simple, cheap, they work, and you don't need to use a wall-wart or calculate current limiting resistors as with LEDs. Brightness does often matter. Sometimes cue lights DO have to attract the attention of an operator not looking straight at them, because the crew doesn't always know exactly when the light is going to go on (if they aren't on cans). Most LEDs I've seen are bright enough along their axis, but not so much off-axis. They also are a pin-point of light, and don't always stand out at a distance. Incandescent "nightlight" lamps are larger and equally bright from any viewing angle. As June said, this can be useful when cuing several flymen along the rail or a deck crew scattered about the stage. Ropelights have similar characteristics, plus they can be distributed along a rail so several operators can view the same cuelights at close range. Then there's the fact that practically every electrical/electronic device as LED power indicators these days. They are everywhere back stage. Old-style lamps or ropelights stand out! June wrote: > They are low tech and useful. I wish more colleges > would use them, because they are used alot in the > professional world... I do use them on my stage, June, but maybe not as much as I should. I'll have to consider your point more often. -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:26:43 GMT Subject: Re: Cue lights: Message-Id: <20060904.072734.833.383775 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Brian, Don't Go There... This list has been cordial; lets keep it that way. /s/ Richard _______________________________ First: June your response (as always) was terrific. Second: During this thread we have established that cue lights are a valuable communication tool in the theatre. = SO....If it is communication, is the sound department responsible for cue lights? = OR since it plugs in and lights up is it the responsibility of the electrics department? Brian Rice = ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:41:55 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue lights? References: In-Reply-To: In message , Mick Alderson writes >Then there's the fact that practically every electrical/electronic >device as LED power indicators these days. They are everywhere back >stage. Old-style lamps or ropelights stand out! Just wait until you see some of the newer LED ropelight....... -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <307337.1157381180627.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:46:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Cue lights? Charlie: Do you have, or know of anyone with an "off the shelf" cue light system with an interface similar to the one I described? I've been looking..... And as for MIDI.... I really don't care if it's MIDI or DMX, though I already have a good supply of DMX cable. How would a MIDI control and relay be any different from a DMX based system? Would it be any cheaper? More durable? I don't mean that to sound like a "challenge," but I do want to know where I can find said system. --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: Charlie Richmond > >Show control systems have been 'off the shelf' for a long time now and so have >MIDI powered relays. Why reinvent the wheel? ;-) > >Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c6d033$00bf62d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Cue lights? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:01:29 -0700 > And as for MIDI.... I really don't care if it's MIDI or DMX, though I > already have a good supply of DMX cable. How would a MIDI control and > relay be any different from a DMX based system? Would it be any cheaper? > More durable? > > I don't mean that to sound like a "challenge," but I do want to know where > I can find said system. Check Wikipedia. ;) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:06:52 GMT Subject: Re: Cue lights? Message-Id: <20060904.080725.833.383940 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> STP CAT6 is cheaper, easier to terminate, and is much more durable. /s/ Richard _______________________ Charlie: I really don't care if it's MIDI or DMX, though I already have a good = supply of DMX cable. How would a MIDI control and relay be any = different from a DMX based system? Would it be any cheaper? More = durable? --Sean ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:29:51 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Cue lights: In-Reply-To: References:

> SO....If it is communication, is the sound department > responsible for cue lights? > > OR since it plugs in and lights up is it the > responsibility of the electrics department? On union shows the electricians handle cue lights. Sound would run video and clear-com. Of course, on union shows sound is technically part of the electrics department. The Sound guys pink contract will say "assistant electrician" Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19588311.1157384605977.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:43:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: Cue lights? Richard.... STP CAT6 is more durable than Tourflex DMX cable? It's not the durability of the cable that I'm questioning--the cue light distribution would be done by stagepin jumpers. Only the control wire from the SM's console to the booth would be DMX/MIDI/whatever. I don't need any wire installed. --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- >From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" > >STP CAT6 is cheaper, easier to terminate, and is much more durable. >/s/ Richard >_______________________ >Charlie: >I really don't care if it's MIDI or DMX, though I already have a good >supply of DMX cable. How would a MIDI control and relay be any >different from a DMX based system? Would it be any cheaper? More >durable? >--Sean ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:46:03 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >That wouldn't be Grand Lake by any chance, would it? >Steve Rees > Touring back to backs with Tommy Steele show ( oh yes, I do get to work with the big boys [and those that have worked with him will know just how nice he can be...] ! ), one of the dates was an ice rink in the Midlands UK , possibly Derby, I cant really remember, I have erased most of the memory on principle. The stage was set up on the ice and the audience were on the ice too, over some coconut matting. I was working the sound desk up the back. But I didn't get any coconut matting, What I did get directly above my head was something that looked like a fan heater but which was designed to ruthlessly suck out any vestige of heat. The dancers, bless em , alternately overheated under the lights and froze solid when they got offstage, to the detriment of their sanity and health. The musicians, poor souls, had to fortify themselves with frequent nips of scotch ( oh no I forgot, they did that every night!). I just froze. My ears froze. My fingers froze. The faders froze. The metal parts of the chair froze to my backside. And worst of all - and heres a lesson to learn- my lovely brand new Belden mic multicore which they insisted was run under the matting, just heated up enough to melt itself into the ice. Because I couldn't lift if fast enough, it cooled down and the ice refroze over it and a 40 foot length in the middle had to be replaced. Dorian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:53:49 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > Charlie: I was extremely pleased that I have been to busy to get involved with this discussion for a very long time but now of course, I've stuck my neck into it... ;-) > Do you have, or know of anyone with an "off the shelf" cue light system with > an interface similar to the one I described? I've been looking..... Not exactly as you described, no. There is a UK company that makes the nicest one I've ever seen and have been doing it for almost 15 years but I forget their names right now. They don't seem to have a web presence and don't seem to need it since they use the British cue light approach of multiple colours but they also send cue numbers visually and provide for substantial amounts of feedback from each station. These are popular in opera houses and that's where most of them are installed. It seems as though most new/refit opera installs use this system and they tried to break into the North American market years ago but encountered huge resistance because of the different approach to the meaning of various lights being lit, etc., as well as price - both of which have been discussed in this current thread. But it's by far the best cue light system I've seen. Not the interface you described at all, though, and I have not seen any off the shelf system like that. > And as for MIDI.... I really don't care if it's MIDI or DMX, though I already > have a good supply of DMX cable. How would a MIDI control and relay be any > different from a DMX based system? Would it be any cheaper? More durable? The system I described above is MIDI Show Control compliant so technically it's the one off-the-shelf MIDI based cue light system that I know of, although MIDI is so amazingly flexible (compared to DMX or even RDM) that you could easily create a custom MIDI based cue light system that would do absolutely exactly what you want to do using off the shelf MIDI components - no PIC or microprocessor designs or programming involved ;-) MIDI easily goes down DMX cable and does so over a far longer distance that DMX does. We have an FAQ on this which is indeed linked to from the wikipedia entry on MIDI ;-) Of course a MIDI relay is not the same as a DMX relay though it is similarly priced. The point I made in a previous post is that you can actually use the power on the MIDI cable itself to light the LED. Of course this may not satisfy the needs of those who want to use a 1K as a cue light ;-) Durability is always subject to the exact components involved and is not an inherent quality of DMX or MIDI. > I don't mean that to sound like a "challenge," but I do want to know where I can find said system. That's ok, I brought it all on myself of course. If I can remember the company, I will post it here. The owner does have email ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:55:27 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue lights? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > STP CAT6 is cheaper, easier to terminate, and is much more durable. MIDI will also usually transmit a mile or more over CAT6: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/faq.html#midilen Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:56:17 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue lights: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 4 Sep 2006, Brian Munroe wrote: > On union shows the electricians handle cue lights. Sound would run > video and clear-com. Ah.... I love the sound of video! C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FC5C0C.9050106 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:02:04 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Cue lights? References:

In-Reply-To: Brian Munroe wrote: > So a cue light has to be able to be seen from a distance, from many > different angles, and be easily replaced if it fails. I think that > is why bulbs are still used and the double golf ball cue light is the > most popular. I've got to jump in and agree completely with you. There is nothing as simple and dependable as those double golf ball cue lights, and I can't think of anything more "off the shelf" than single pole switches and incandescent bulbs. I've probably taken 10,000 cues from them without a problem. ------------------H ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:02:30 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Dorian Kelly writes >And worst of all - and heres a lesson to learn- my lovely brand new >Belden mic multicore which they insisted was run under the matting, >just heated up enough to melt itself into the ice. Your microphone cable heats up???? My goodness. Those must be powerful microphones. :P -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <04d201c6d044$d1b0b450$0e00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Cue Lights? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:35:10 +0100 >> The two colors can be produced over two wires, not three as most >> people would believe. >> Bill > > Without diodes, or a functionally equivalent component? > Richard Yes and no. Without ADDITIONAL diodes yes, but LEDs are diodes themselves. The 2 colour versions have a red and a green LED in inverse parallel so that the colour is determinded by the polarity of the current flowing through the device. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-ID: <04d301c6d044$d1d24610$0e00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Battery Question Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:08:43 +0100 "David Roberts" wrote: > I was wondering if there is a big difference between duracell AA and Procell > AA batteries. I've heard that they are made in the same factory by the same > process, so is there any real difference that make the prices worth while? They are identical. This is what many of the battery distributors say about Procells: "These are Duracell alkaline batteries, technically identical to the consumer version, but branded and packed differently. They are not available through retail consumer outlets, which helps reduce stock losses due to pilferage, especially for larger organisations. Distribution is only through a limited range of industrial distributors." Duracells are blister packed on a card, Procells come in bulk packs, and should therefore be slightly cheaper. I have found that Duracells are no better than other alkaline batteries, but usually cost a lot more. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060904120841.00c4cd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:08:41 From: CB Subject: Re: cue lights >> The portable Cue light system I mentioned the other day (For variety >> show MC's etc.) uses Red and green 12vdc "Clearance lights" >Just be sure that none of the actors or crew are Red/Green color blind... No, just make sure that the R/G colorblind folk on the show are smart enough to recognise that there will be a problem and mention it to you. Lights can be arranged so that the op ones are always green (top go, bottom standby) or the left ones are always green, or some other solution to their particular shortcoming. Handicaps we can work with, stupidity tends to be a dead end. Now, if we could only get electricians that are tying in camloks to admit their colorblindness, we could do away with reversing the dang ground and neutrals... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FC828E.8000001 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:46:22 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: cue lights References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> The portable Cue light system I mentioned the other day (For variety >>> show MC's etc.) uses Red and green 12vdc "Clearance lights" >> Just be sure that none of the actors or crew are Red/Green color blind... > > No, just make sure that the R/G colorblind folk on the show are smart > enough to recognise that there will be a problem and mention it to you. > Lights can be arranged so that the op ones are always green (top go, bottom > standby) or the left ones are always green, or some other solution to their > particular shortcoming. > Handicaps we can work with, stupidity tends to be a dead end. > Now, if we could only get electricians that are tying in camloks to admit > their colorblindness, we could do away with reversing the dang ground and > neutrals... > Chris "Chris" Babbie Just teach them to touch their tongue to the ends to see if it is the ground lead or the hot lead. If they survive, that was the ground lead. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: "C. Dopher" Subject: EpiPen Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 16:01:31 -0400 I seem to recall someone on this list travels with an EpiPen due to allergies. Could that someone contact me off-list? I have one available that I'd hate to simply throw out if it can be put to good use. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:03:01 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: cue lights References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Now, if we could only get electricians that are tying in camloks to >admit their colorblindness, we could do away with reversing the dang >ground and >neutrals... Uh oh. Maybe it's time to switch to keyed powerloks. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:01:17 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Battery Question References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Nigel Worsley writes >I have found that Duracells are no better than other alkaline batteries, but usually cost a >lot more. I'll second that. The Mitsubishi cells form Poundland (four for a pound) performed identically in terms of capacity when I tested them on a capacity timing test rig. Just got some of the six pack Hyundai and they tested out the same too. The Mitsubishi's didn't leak when subjected to total discharge and the Hyundai hasn't leaked yet under the same test. The only alkaline battery I can remember that leaked unexpectedly was a Maplin bulk pack battery so no surprise there then. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:05:48 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: EpiPen References: In-Reply-To: In message , C. Dopher writes >I seem to recall someone on this list travels with an EpiPen due to >allergies. Could that someone contact me off-list? I have one >available that I'd hate to simply throw out if it can be put to good >use. What a neat gadget. It appears to be a self administered treatment for anaphylactic shock caused by food allergy. It administers a dose of drug when applied. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060905071831.0355ca58 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:24:03 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Cue Lights? In-Reply-To: References:

At 02:35 5.09.2006, Nigel Worsley wrote: >Yes and no. Without ADDITIONAL diodes yes, but LEDs are diodes themselves. >The 2 colour versions have a red and a green LED in inverse parallel >so that the colour >is determinded by the polarity of the current flowing through the device. The bi-colour LEDs, will also give you a Yellow when you feed them AC :-) Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2559.205.215.253.196.1157405319.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cue Lights? From: "Bill Nelson" > Without diodes, or a functionally equivalent component? It requires diodes and two switches. The lamps operate independently. After you do that, produce a two control wire circuit that, with 2 leds, requires no other diodes. The difference is that you cannot have both lights on at the same time. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:13:12 -0400 Message-Id: <8C89E86722ECCAE-32C-5FFA [at] mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: cue lights =C2=A0 In message , CB writes=C2=A0 >Now, if we could only get electricians that are tying in camloks to=20 >admit their colorblindness, we could do away with reversing the dang=20 >ground and=C2=A0 >neutrals...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Uh oh. Maybe it's time to switch to keyed powerloks.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is why UK practice is to use a green and yellow striped cable for=20 ground. However severe their colour blindness, you can't miss the=20 stripes. A live/neutral cross is seldom important, with single-phase=20 circuits, in the UK. With some of the strange power supplies around in=20 the US, this may not be true. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 18:24:31 -0400 Message-Id: <8C89E8806C9197C-32C-604E [at] mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) =C2=A0 In message , Dorian Kelly =20 writes=C2=A0 >And worst of all - and heres a lesson to learn- my lovely brand new=20 >Belden mic multicore which they insisted was run under the matting,=20 >just heated up enough to melt itself into the ice.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Your microphone cable heats up????=C2=A0 =C2=A0 My goodness. Those must be powerful microphones. :P=C2=A0 =C2=A0 More seriously. you must have a major ground fault. These can happen on=20 the best of installations. But check it out, before you set the whole=20 place on fire. As it is, I am surprised that you are having no sound=20 problems. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 02:31:41 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) References:

In-Reply-To: In message , frankwood95 [at] aol.com writes >Your microphone cable heats up????=A0 >=A0 >My goodness. Those must be powerful microphones. :P=A0 >=A0 >More seriously. you must have a major ground fault. These can happen on=20 >the best of installations. But check it out, before you set the whole=20 >place on fire. As it is, I am surprised that you are having no sound=20 >problems. It's more likely that the cable had residual warmth from storage that=20 melted the ice when it was laid. --=20 Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FD1D2B.5050104 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:46:03 +0200 From: Judy Subject: color blind cue lights > > >The portable Cue light system I mentioned the other day (For variety >> show MC's etc.) uses Red and green 12vdc "Clearance lights" > > > >Just be sure that none of the actors or crew are Red/Green color blind... > Well, you could put a picture of a little stagehand in the light, walking or standing still, as they do in traffic (or maybe pulling a rope vs tying it?) ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:57:02 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Freezing Dance Floor (slightly OT) >> >>More seriously. you must have a major ground fault. These can >>happen on the best of installations. But check it out, before you >>set the whole place on fire. As it is, I am surprised that you are >>having no sound problems. > >It's more likely that the cable had residual warmth from storage >that melted the ice when it was laid. > >-- >Clive Mitchell >http://www.bigclive.com Thats the conclusion I came to. The multicore was fine. DK ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #937 *****************************