Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34521316; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:01:53 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #939 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:00:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #939 1. Re: New Black Box Theaters by "Alf Sauve" 2. Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems by Dale Power 3. Re: color blind cue lights by "Bill Nelson" 4. Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 5. Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: 220V dimmers in USA by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 8. Meany Hall Carpenter by Steve Shelley 9. Re: DMX Tester Recommendations by Clive Mitchell 10. Re: color blind cue lights by Clive Mitchell 11. Re: Mexican Food in NY by "Shawn King" 12. OT: In memoriam by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems by "Aaron W. Braun" 14. Re: color blind cue lights by CB 15. Re: Side note: by CB 16. Asstee and Inventory Database by Brian James 17. Re: Cue lights: by CB 18. Confetti Cannons by John Stahrr 19. Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions by Stuart Wheaton 20. Re: Side note: by Stuart Wheaton 21. Re: color blind cue lights by Bruce Purdy 22. Vectorworks printing thing by ken frederickson 23. Re: Confetti Cannons by "Dre Suchoski" 24. Re: Side note: by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 25. Re: color blind cue lights by "Peter Scheu" 26. Re: color blind cue lights by Clive Mitchell 27. Re: Side note: by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 28. DMX Testers by "David Fox" 29. Re: color blind cue lights by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 30. Hardboard floors by "Chris Wych" 31. Gloves in shops by "Chris Wych" 32. Re: Gloves in shops by Philip Johnson 33. Hullo? by Rigger 34. Re: Hullo? by Mark O'Brien 35. Re: Hullo? by Bill Sapsis 36. Re: Hullo? by "Josh Ratty" 37. Re: Hullo? by rlindsay [at] umich.edu 38. Re: Hullo? by Stuart Wheaton 39. Re: Hullo? by Bill Sapsis 40. Re: Gloves in shops by "Brian Munroe" 41. Re: Gloves in shops by "Josh Ratty" 42. Re: Hullo? by Philip Johnson 43. Re: Hullo? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 44. Re: Hardboard floors by "Jason Salvatori" 45. Re: Gloves in shops by "Jason Salvatori" 46. Re: Hullo? by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: Hullo? by Clive Mitchell 48. Re: Hullo? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 49. Re: Hullo? by "Tracy S. Fitch" 50. Re: Hardboard floors by "Occy" 51. Re: Hullo? by "Occy" 52. Re: Side note: by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <00bc01c6d1a1$63ceb9b0$0300a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: New Black Box Theaters Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:23:11 -0400 Built as in starting with an empty piece of real estate? Or built-out as in starting with an existing room and converting it for use as a small theatre? Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Immel" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: New Black Box Theaters > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All, > > I have been tasked to do some benchmarking (my university likes that > word!) regarding institutions that have recently (in the past 3-5 > years) built a black box or studio theater. Specifically, I am > looking for the $ / sq. ft. cost. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks! > Pat > > -- > Patrick Immel > Lighting and Scenic Designer > Northwest Missouri State University > patrickimmel.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FEB195.CD6973EB [at] swgc.mun.ca> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:01:33 -0230 From: Dale Power Subject: Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems References:

Charlie, I am assuming by dimmer board you mean your control desk. Since the problem remained, the issue is downstream of the control - check all solder conections and cabling. Cheers Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3595.205.215.255.100.1157546438.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 05:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: color blind cue lights From: "Bill Nelson" > In the modern world, we should have a fully ADA-compliant backstage cuing > system, with accomodations for folks with visual or hearing impairments. Don't forget physical impairments as well. That means an elevator or properly sloped ramp to the counterweight loading platform - among other things. Bill ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:33:47 GMT Subject: Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems Message-Id: <20060906.063441.15735.382100 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Century Strand. Strand Century. Rank Strand. Whatever it is this year. /s/ Richard _______________________________ I actually meant Strand not Century ;-) = Charlie ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 09:42:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6d1ba$5d532490$6901a8c0 [at] pepys> In-Reply-To: > Century Strand. Strand Century. Rank Strand. Whatever it is this year. Genlyte -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.0/439 - Release Date: 9/6/2006 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c6d1bc$34bc72a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 06:56:09 -0700 > Century Strand. Strand Century. Rank Strand. Whatever it is this year. > /s/ Richard Genlyte. :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:59:31 GMT Subject: Re: 220V dimmers in USA Message-Id: <20060906.065933.15735.382284 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear John, Call John Chuck at ELS. If he doesn't own the rack with the specs you = want, he has the wherewithal to acquire whatever equipment that makes = financial sense for him, and subsequently rent it to you. If you had = needed a bleeding edge lighting product, from a safe torch to a new = projector, I would have directed yo to Joe Tawil at GAM. This is all = just one small sector of the business of Show Business. Its all good. /s/ Richard ___________________________ Hello everyone, I am trying to source a rental of a 220V dimmer rack. ie. 220V per phase in and 220V out of each module. I need 36 dimmers, but I would like to have a 48X2.4kW rack. I am really interested in an ETC Sensor Switchable Touring Rack with the European modules. Does anyone know of any of these in rental stock? I need it in Southern California on Sept. 22nd. While I am at it, I need some Clay Paky Stage Zooms and Clay Paky Stage Colors as well. Thanks, John John D. Palmer Palmer & Company Design & Production (213) 453-1547 = ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:44:01 -0400 Subject: Meany Hall Carpenter From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This just came across my desk. As I recall, meany is a wonderful venue in seattle. From: Jenny Tonyes Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:26:32 -0500 To: Subject: Head Carp position at UW-Meany Hall, Seattle My good friend Kris Shaw is leaving Meany Hall on the UW campus in Seattle. If you know anyone who'd be interested follow the link below. Great place to work, very well-organized venue. Non-union house but extremely knowledgable overhires (some of the overhires are IA anyways). The Head Carp position acts as Crew Chief in helping to advance shows and organize crew. You don't have to be IA even though the ad says something in regards to a union shop. This was my favorite place to work when I lived in Seattle! https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=J obProfile&szOrderID=25859&szlocationID=88 Please forward to anyone you think would be a good fit. Thanks! Jen Jenny Tonyes 608.203.5433 home jen [at] jentonyes.com -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5RAbWaFXQv$EFwkx [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:15:19 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: DMX Tester Recommendations References: In-Reply-To: In message , Stuart Baulch writes >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I think that I'm in the market for a DMX tester and I'm looking for >recommendations and/or warnings from the list. > >The standard (at least in this neck of the woods) seems to be the >MicroTech DMX Tester, but these two both looks interesting: > >Swisson X-MT-100 >www.tinyurl.com/hac3h > >Showtec DMX Tester >www.tinyurl.com/pxhmr > >Just wondering what you might recommend. > It all depends on your application. Bear in mind what I said recently about using a cheap desk (the LC2412 in my case) as a bench based tester for fixtures or packs. The sliders let you adjust parameters quickly and simultaneously, and program in test routines. Not so great for sniffing out dodgy DMX in the grid though, but then maybe a little home made keychain DMX indicator would be useful up there. http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/dmxtest.htm -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:06:53 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: color blind cue lights References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >Don't forget physical impairments as well. That means an elevator or >properly sloped ramp to the counterweight loading platform - among >other things. Absolutely. I think the UK is once again leading the way in making theatre technology accessible to disabled people. We've got elevators up to the fly floors and big wide walkways to allow wheelchair bound flymen to push the buttons on the motorised fly system. In fact we've made such an effort that there's no space left to perform and the budgets been blown in style on completely out of place equipment that is aimed at letting the disinterested few play at theatres until they get bored and whine about inequality somewhere else. What disabled people REALLY need is their own community where they can work at specially designed workstations to make them productive members of society once again. Then maybe we'll make room for them in theatres and studios once they've earned the right. Of course we wouldn't have this situation if mercy killings hadn't been made illegal. There should be a tick list at maternity hospitals, and if a baby doesn't come up to scratch it should be dropped in a mincer and turned into sausages. It makes me so mad I could SCREAM!!!! -- Militant Max. CADS (Campaign Against "Disabled" Scroungers.) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <84c790f30609060949o6e05ff4dmd5cc512f7c471940 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:49:03 -0400 From: "Shawn King" Subject: Re: Mexican Food in NY In-Reply-To: References:

This place is my favorite Mexican joint in the city. Every other place I have tried is disappointing to my Arizonan upbringing. Los Dos Molinos is a New Mexican style place, so a little different from the Sonoran style in AZ, but just as delicous! On another note, I brought back some Hatch green chilis from my vacation in TX.... mmmmm... I love the Hatch chilis.... On 8/26/06, Randy Levine wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > You've got to try Los Dos Molinos. I believe they opened their first > restaurant here in Mesa Az. They have the best, hottest food (Hatch > chili's) I've ever eaten. I too am a Brooklyn Jew but I know a thing > or 2 about the food of the southwest and I doubt anyone would find > their food to be anything less than fantastic. > > http://tinyurl.com/nsp5q ------------------------------ Subject: OT: In memoriam Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:55:20 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06190E23 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Dunno if there are any other Niagara University grads out there, but I just got this from my mother... ***** Tim Ward, assistant professor in Niagara University's department of theatre and fine arts, died Sunday (Sept. 3, 2006) after a long illness. He had taught at the university since 1979 and directed numerous productions. He also served as the stage director for the Niagara Summer Fine Arts Program. A memorial service will be held Monday, Sept. 11, at 7 p.m. in the Niagara Falls High School auditorium, 4455 Porter Road. The service will be followed by a reception at the Niagara University Theatre Annex in the Valu Hardware shopping plaza on Porter and Packard Roads.=20 In lieu of flowers, contributions can be made in Tim's memory to the Tim Ward Scholarship Fund at Niagara University. Checks should be made out toNiagara University and sent to the Office of Institutional Advancement, P.O. Box 2008, Niagara University, N.Y. 14109. Online donations can be made at www.niagara.edu. Father John Maher, C.M. will conduct a brief prayer service in the Leary Theatre on Sept. 7 at 5 p.m. All are welcome to attend. Expressions of sympathy can be sent to his wife, Rebecca, at 741 Fourth St., Niagara Falls, N.Y. 14301. His obituary may be found at http://www.niagara.edu/pr/e_leases_rd.htm?id=3D1352. ***** RIP, Tim. ------------------------------ From: "Aaron W. Braun" Subject: Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Actually, it is Century Lighting. A few years ago, Strand closed the service office in New Jersey. Strand showed great class in letting Joel and Sal hold onto the Strand phone number and letting them use Century Lighting for their name. Joel and Sal are some of the best Strand techs in the country, and they have a good stockpile of parts for older Strand gear. As for your original question, I would look at the TX/TY connectors (those pesky little AMX connectors). Usually, when I see flickering, one of the wires has come loose or is only hanging on by a single strand (pun intended). The clock pair can cause the reemergence of disco lighting if it breaks loose... Check the continuity on all pins of your data cable and verify that the solder joints still look good. The other thing you can check is that the control card in the back is clean and seated properly. Of course, turn off power while servicing the rack. Pull out the card and look at the contacts on the circuit board. Sometimes they corrode. I have found that a Pink Pearl eraser does a good job of gently cleaning off the corrosion. Put the card back in and see if the problem is resolved. I have seen a few packs from the late 80's/early 90's that also had an issue with the backplane bowing when inserting the card. On these packs, I had to remove the dimmer lid and make sure that the card was seated properly. If your control card gets fried, you can also look at the retrofit card from Johnson Systems at http://www.johnsonsystems.com/strand_cd80_pack.htm. I have used their retrofits on a number of older Strand installations and been very satisfied with the results. Aaron Braun Ardee Design Group, LLC Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 04:28:55 -0400 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: CD-80 Dimmer Pack flickering Problems I actually meant Strand not Century ;-) And yes I will be calling them. But thanks for the number you saved me the trouble of looking it up. Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060906112002.00c54d48 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:20:02 From: CB Subject: RE: color blind cue lights >In the modern world, we should have a fully ADA-compliant backstage cuing >system, Yeah, right. I'm all for helping the handicapped, and the differently abled, but to change the world to suit the least common denominator is just plain silly. 'Tis easier to put on slippers than to carpet the entire world. They are called disabled because their abilities are diminished. This may leave them without the ability to participate in some activities, and its usually the able-bodied with too much time on their hands that suggests that we *must* have a rail that can be operated by quadreplegics and multiple amputees. This is a good thought, on the surface. It comes from good people that want good things for all people. Unfortunately, once you start the process there are far too few people who will stand up and say that it is a really bad idea in practice, because it is a politically incorrect point-of-view, so it gets pushed through. Here I am, PI and all, saying that it is a really, really, bad idea. IF you want to do something for the disabled, work to make them able to deal with teh task. Don't adjust the task so that it can be accomplished by everyone. Wheelchairs in the catwalks. Uhm, yeah... So, like I was saying, the red one goes on top, the green in the middle, and blue on the bottom. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060906112942.00c54d48 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:29:42 From: CB Subject: Re: Side note: >I owned a 1969 Jaguar XKE, Ehm, never invoke the work of the 'Prince of Darkness'in a public forum. I was introduced to Lucas Electrics in a '72 MG. This is how I learned that 'earth' is 'ground', and not negative the world over. Lucas is a bit of a joke in the automotive industry. Well, a bit of a punchline anyways. "Why do Americans drink their beer cold?" "So as to tell it from urine." "Why do the Brits drink their beer warm?" "'Cause Lucas also makes refridgeration." "How do you repair a burned wiring harness on a British automobile?" "Show the insurance man the burning hulk, and buy German with the money." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FF1FC1.6050703 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:21:37 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Asstee and Inventory Database Greetings all, Does anybody on this list use an asset/inventory database they like? Currently all of my inventory information is a messed up combination of paper files and an Excel spread sheet. We would love the ability to be able to use bar codes to recall the information about the equipment and track information such as make, model, manufacturer, serial number, value, repair history and location/system it is a part of. In addition, I would like to be able to track parts inventory and expenses. I am poking around on the web for information as well but was hoping some one here may have some valuable insight. Thank you for your time! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060906125703.00c54d48 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:57:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Cue lights: >Seriously, how did the carpentry department let a sound guy in? When touring with 'Buddy', the SR and SL wagons had sound, props, and carp folk all working in a small, confined area, with sometim,es 45 seconds to cmpletely redress the wagon and put it back out. Once with a two keyboard setup and most of a full band, right after taking an entire band off the wagon. The only ay that that would work is how I described it to the locals every time we landed: "We don't have sound, props, and carps departments over here, we have a Stage Left Dept. IF you have issues with that, make them clear now. We will make every effort to make this as easy, fun, and smooth as possible, but sound will touch props, props will tough the animation stuff, and carps will touch sound. This is the only way that this will work without a week of rehearsal. Now, are you in or out?" Smiles all around, every single time, I made lots of friends and we had lots of fun. No one told the IA that we were doing things fun and easy, and I got away with it. Enter the next tour, some of the same usual suspects. One of the ASMs got word that I knew the automation on the deck, so they called and asked if I would consider operating SL on at the top of the show and off at the curtain, just before bows. I suggested as I may not be free at those times, but since it was a simple flip of a switch and a puch of a button, (head on a swivel for the duration, of course...) I said I'd be happy to help, with the caveat that if I had sound issues to deal with, all bets are off. Of course, that was the birth of the hybrid contract. I made a coupla revisions to their offer, to make it palatable to me, and VIOLA, the death of the hybrid contract. They figured out how to make the wagons move, and how to load their truck after I was gone for the night. The silliest thing that was included wasthat I supervised the pack and supervised the kids on the rail. I know enough about rigging to do what I am told, with close supervision, and everything I do inspected before it goes up. Supervising was right out! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Confetti Cannons Message-ID: From: John Stahrr Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:02:58 -0400 I need to build 2 confetti cannons for an upcoming production. Does anyone have any experience with this? I want to run it off a standard air compressor using 1 1/2" PVC as the barrel. What kind of valve would be good? I know spud guns use a piston valve or the like. What do you reccommend? Thanks for any info you have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John P.Stahrr, Technical Director Harold & Sylvia Greenberg Theatre American University 4200 Wisconsin Ave. NW Washington, DC 20016-8149 202-885-3419 [office] 202-885-7831 [fax] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FF313F.5000805 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:36:15 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > The problem is what is meant by "panel" in the question. It does not > specify if that panel feeds only that piece of equipment, whether it feeds > other equipment as well, or if the panel itself is the "electrical > equipment" that needs work? > > If D stated something similar to: "Lock out and tag out all sources of > energy in the panel that go to the electrical equipment to be serviced, > before the equipment is opened", then I would agree that D is correct. > > For example, at ACT, the dimmer packs are fed off the main distribution > panel. If I am going to work on the packs, then I believe the code > requires me to lock out and tag out the circuits powering the dimmer > packs. It does not require me to lock out the whole distribution panel. > Please correct me if I am wrong here. > > All the above is why I stated that the question is ambiguous and confusing. > > Bill Mr. Vannice and I had a few exchanges about this. The following is the conclusion of that exchange. I presume Mr Vannice will not object to my posting it since his original message to me was re-posted here. At this point, I am satisfied that the writers of the test do agree that the question was ambiguous and since it is a sample question, I am not worried about seeing it on a test. I trust Ken when he says that the test will be reviewed for such ambiguous language. Stuart > Dear Stuart, > > We try to avoid possible double meanings but sometimes we miss or see it > differently. That is why we welcome comment. We don't want to > misconstrue. The difference between panel and equipment was not meant to > be different. In NEC terms a panel is a subset of equipment which covers > all types of items in the electrical system including motors. The two > different words were used solely to make the statement read better by > not using repetitious words. > > The question involves the piece of electrical equipment you are opening. > Before you open it you need to make sure all the energy sources within > that equipment are off. To do that, you turn the breaker off in the > upstream breaker panel. That panel needs only to have the applicable > circuits turned off. I could see B applying to the upstream breaker > panel but not the panel being opened. Had we wrote the question recently > we would have probably added to the question "...procedures best > describes the requirements of..." Also changing "the equipment" to "that > equipment" would be helpful. > > Obviously this question will not be on the test. We will review the test > to avoid this possible confusion. > > Ken Vannice > LMS Engineering > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wheaton [mailto:sdwheaton [at] fuse.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:13 PM > To: Vannice, Ken > Subject: Re: ESTA Electrician exam confusions > > Vannice, Ken wrote: >> > Dear Stuart, > >> > All employees and their employers are required to comply with OSHA >> > safety regulations (OHSA in Canada). OSHA made an agreement with the >> > NFPA, the authors of the National Electrical Code, to create an NEC > for >> > use in the workplace numbered NFPA 70E. All employees and their >> > employers are required to comply with 70E regarding electrical safety. >> > This Code has a two-level set of safety requirements regarding opening >> > electrical equipment and exposing electrical parts. The safest it to >> > first remove all sources of energy which is loosely called lock-out/ >> > tag-out. While we are more concerned about electrical hazards the > actual >> > lock-out/tag-out requirements require the lock-out/tag-out of all >> > sources of energy, electrical, air pressure, stored mechanical energy >> > like in a spring, etc. The next level of safety when lock-out/tag-out >> > isn't possible is to use a collection of personal protective equipment >> > including such things as natural-fiber (not synthetic) clothing, >> > insulated tools, goggles, etc. and follow additional rules. >> > >> > >> > >> > The question was not what you thought was safe enough. The question > was >> > what does OSHA require for safety. The statement about no personal >> > protective equipment (PPE) directs you to the lock-out/tag-out > solution. >> > D is a statement of what OSHA requires. The other answers might sound >> > reasonable and safe but they are less than what OSHA requires. As an >> > employee of a theatrical operation you are required by law to know > what >> > OSHA and NFPA 70E requires before opening any electrical panel. > > Thank you for your time Ken, > > My question is not about whether lock-out/tag-out applies. It obviously > > does. My concern is the way the 'correct answer' seems to treat > "equipment" and "panel" as synonymous, but in answer d, the answer > itself seems to refer to them as different things. Is it not reasonable > > to read Equipment as something fed from a Panel and thus you L-o/t-o, > the circuit(s) feeding the equipment and do not shut down the whole > panel, which might be feeding many unrelated things. The supposed > correct answer seems to suggest the _panel_ and not some _equipment_ fed > > from a panel is what is actually being worked on. > > If the scenario was more fully described, or if there were a drawing or > > a photo showing the "equipment" and the "panel" this ambiguity would > probably not arise. > > Case in point, if replacing the motor on the shop air compressor > (equipment), I lock-out and tag-out the breaker (at the panel) for the > compressor, I might have to kill a circuit for the motor starter or a > timer as well, but I do not kill power to the breaker panel supplying > all the other equipment, lighting, and so forth on that side of the > room. > > IF 'panel' and 'equipment' are not the same thing, then B seems to be > correct. B isolates all power to the equipment being worked on, and > nothing else. If the equipment being serviced is indeed a panel in > it's own right, then the answer is still to Lock-out/Tag-out just the > supply to that sub-panel, and thus is still B. > > Thanks for your help sorting this out. > > Stuart > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FF327D.8080700 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:41:33 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Side note: References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I owned a 1969 Jaguar XKE, > > Ehm, never invoke the work of the 'Prince of Darkness'in a public forum. I > was introduced to Lucas Electrics in a '72 MG. This is how I learned that > 'earth' is 'ground', and not negative the world over. Lucas is a bit of a > joke in the automotive industry. Well, a bit of a punchline anyways. > "Why do Americans drink their beer cold?" > "So as to tell it from urine." > "Why do the Brits drink their beer warm?" > "'Cause Lucas also makes refridgeration." > > "How do you repair a burned wiring harness on a British automobile?" > "Show the insurance man the burning hulk, and buy German with the money." Note to self... If I ever meet Chris face to face don't wear "Positive Earth" T shirt! Lucas shouldn't ever pose a real problem, cause you'll never get the S.U. Carburettors suitably balanced to be able to drive the damn thing anyhow! Or at least that's MY experience! Stuart ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: color blind cue lights Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:45:13 -0400 On 6 Sep 2006, at 07:20, CB wrote: > Yeah, right. I'm all for helping the handicapped, and the differently > abled, but to change the world to suit the least common denominator > is just > plain silly. Back when I was in Movie Theatre management, All new construction was mandated to include a handicap elevator to the projection booth, so we could acomodate disabled projectionists. No one cared that the bending, stooping, squatting and stretching to thread projectors or high platters would all be beyond the abilities of anyone that needed an elevator to get there! To make maters worse, bags of popcorn and cases of merchandise were stored in the booth, but we had to carry them up and down the stairs because the elevator was restricted to "Handicap use only"! It was never used at all! I used to frequent an ice cream parlour back in the 80's that allowed wheelchairs to enter through the kitchen due to steps on the front door. Someone complained that it was insulting to single them out and make them go through the kitchen. So they ended up blocking off the front door, and made EVERYONE enter through the kitchen. Now everyone was treated equally so the complainer was happy. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060906204845.55386.qmail [at] web50813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 13:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: ken frederickson Subject: Vectorworks printing thing In-Reply-To: vector works 9.5 user. I can not print multiple copies of a drawing from the print window. I choose more than one copy and it will only print one. any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Confetti Cannons Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F74B9B3C [at] stage.OTC.local> In-Reply-To: From: "Dre Suchoski" Talk to Ryan Knapp at Olney (he's at ex. 102), he built some for Dames At Sea for our 2003 season. Dre Suchoski, Properties Artisan Olney Theatre Center=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of John Stahrr Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:03 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Confetti Cannons For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I need to build 2 confetti cannons for an upcoming production. Does anyone have any experience with this? I want to run it off a standard air compressor using 1 1/2" PVC as the barrel. What kind of valve would be good? I know spud guns use a piston valve or the like. What do you reccommend?=20 Thanks for any info you have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John P.Stahrr, Technical Director Harold & Sylvia Greenberg Theatre American University 4200 Wisconsin Ave. NW Washington, DC 20016-8149 202-885-3419 [office] 202-885-7831 [fax] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:14:32 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: Side note: In-reply-to: Message-id: <44FF3A38.9000804 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> I owned a 1969 Jaguar XKE, >> > > Ehm, never invoke the work of the 'Prince of Darkness'in a public forum. I > was introduced to Lucas Electrics in a '72 MG. This is how I learned that > 'earth' is 'ground', and not negative the world over. Lucas is a bit of a > joke in the automotive industry. Well, a bit of a punchline anyways. > "Why do Americans drink their beer cold?" > "So as to tell it from urine." > "Why do the Brits drink their beer warm?" > "'Cause Lucas also makes refridgeration." > > "How do you repair a burned wiring harness on a British automobile?" > "Show the insurance man the burning hulk, and buy German with the money." > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > My first car was a Triumph TR-4 with the infamous Lucas electrics. The 3-position light switch was "Dim - Flicker - Off' Carla ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: color blind cue lights Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:28:23 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Chris Babbie wrote: >Yeah, right. I'm all for helping the handicapped, and the >differently abled, but to change the world to suit the least >common denominator is just plain silly. Reminds me of a great scene in Vonnegut's "Between Time and Timbuktu" where ballet dancers were laden down with sandbags because in the "egalitarian" society portrayed, no one was to be able to do anything better than anyone else. But then, I, like many able-bodied persons I'm sure, hit the blue handicapped door opener button at the mall 'cause I'm lazy... So some accommodations I'm all for. ;-) Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:38:00 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: color blind cue lights References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >So, like I was saying, the red one goes on top, the green in the >middle, >and blue on the bottom. No I'm sorry. I believe that violates a Color Kinetic patent. ;) -- Larry Lawsuit. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:06:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8A017D4A8BC80-BFC-122F [at] mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Side note: Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Note to self...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If I ever meet Chris face to face don't wear "Positive Earth" T shirt!=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Lucas shouldn't ever pose a real problem, cause you'll never get the=20 S.U. Carburettors suitably balanced to be able to drive the damn thing=20 anyhow!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Or at least that's MY experience! =C2=A0I once had a big XJ 12, with a 5.3 litre V-12 engine. Great car, but=20 the fuel consumption nearly bankrupted me. It was blessed with some=20 curious features., and more plumbing and drive belts than you could=20 shake a stick at. It was a big engine, but you could barely see it for=20 pipes. I've never had problems with SU carburettors, nor with the four=20 Strombergs with which the Jaguar was endowed. But, after an engine fire=20 on a Ford Lotus Cortina, the two twin-choke Webers were downright=20 impossible I couldn't do it, and nor could the agent. =C2=A0 Stuart=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Subject: DMX Testers Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 17:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Fox" Personally and Professionally I recommend the Fleenor Gizmo http://www.dfd.com/gizmo.html David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8A01AE36CCE62-BFC-14A9 [at] mblk-d18.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References:

In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: color blind cue lights What disabled people REALLY need is their own community where they can=20 work at specially designed workstations to make them productive members=20 of society once again. Then maybe we'll make room for them in theatres=20 and studios once they've earned the right.=C2=A0 No, they don't. They need access, and sometimes very large screen=20 monitors for the visually impaired. In no way should they be shuffled=20 off into their own community. There is no reason why they can't take=20 part in the general activities. =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email=20 and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <182100c80609061535g700ecab7sd46570667ae94620 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:35:04 -0400 From: "Chris Wych" Subject: Hardboard floors In our theatre we usally lay a hardboard floor and then paint it with what the scenic designer wants for that show. When we lay the floor we leave a washer thickness gap between all the pieces. Does this help when the first coat of paint hits the floor and allow the floor to expand? Or is the expanding so little that the hardboard could be butted up to each other? Would pre-painting the floor allow there to be no gap between the sheets when it is layed out? Thanks, -- Chris Wych -Graduate Scenic Designer- -Indiana State University- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <182100c80609061539h3b9b3b34m7cc978c63bba1b00 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:39:35 -0400 From: "Chris Wych" Subject: Gloves in shops Yes another opinion question from me. What are people opinions on using gloves while working in a university theatre scenic shop. In our shop we're not allowed to use gloves unless we are unloading steal or operating the fly lines. I would love to be able to use fingerless gloves at times in the shop. I understand that with some of the inexperienced undergraduates that work in the shop, there might be safety issues with getting gloves caught in saws and grinders. But is that really a big enough problem to highly discourage (or ban) them from the shop. Thanks for your opinion -- Chris Wych -Graduate Scenic Designer- -Indiana State University- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:02:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Gloves in shops From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Gloves can be used in our shop except when they can get caught in machinery. The key we have is the gloves must be well fitting and in good shape. I accept gloves when using some power tools as the flying debris can sandblast your hands. Things like circular saws, belt sanders, and hand grinders. Our safety program shows proper use of tools and accessories. Usually the inexperienced students don't handle the major tools until they have shown they can handle it. The key with my tools is whether the guards will work and prevent accidents -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:27:11 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Hullo? [*peeking around corner*] I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) -- Dave Vick IATSE #274 Carpe Per Diem Cogito, Ergo Zoom ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060906163411.zirdvmswck800g04 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:34:11 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Hullo? References: In-Reply-To: Quoting Rigger : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) > > Hi Dave! Welcome back to the fun house.... Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile http://www.myspace.com/marko66 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:33:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: DAVE VICK!!!!!!!! Welcome back you old son of a sea serpent. How the heck are ya? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/6/06 7:27 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:46:21 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Hullo? In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <00aa01c6d20e$aa61f780$0201000a [at] Rattys> Welcome back, I had the pleasure of working with you shortly before your truck driving experience began. Heard a few of your stories from my SM (Dee Wickert), and after that I'm glad you're back here. For reasons which may be clear to you I'll forget to mention which show I was on. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:27 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Hullo? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- [*peeking around corner*] I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) -- Dave Vick IATSE #274 Carpe Per Diem Cogito, Ergo Zoom ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060906200211.3pvrc0dc00wk04o0 [at] web.mail.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:02:11 -0400 From: rlindsay [at] umich.edu Cc: rigger [at] tds.net (Rigger) Subject: Re: Hullo? References: In-Reply-To: Hello Dave Quoting Rigger : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) > > -- > Dave Vick > IATSE #274 > Carpe Per Diem > Cogito, Ergo Zoom > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FF67CD.2090406 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:01 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Hullo? References: In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) Well, I dunno if you can reform a truck driver... But, pull up a stool and crack open a cold one! If you want to use rigger as a handle, you need to repeat the following, so we will know you can be trusted.... "All Hail the Great and all knowing Bill Sapsis, Mightiest and bravest of all the Riggers, A man who's judgement is never questioned!" ;-) Welcome back! We missed you. It was too quiet. I was sure tempted to mention that I thought you'd be back soon after your last e-mail. Stuart Tonight I was 450/600, which is pretty good for me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:25:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ah, Stuart? Can I have some of whatever it is that your having right now? On 9/6/06 8:29 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rigger wrote: > >> [*peeking around corner*] >> >> I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? >> >> (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) > > Well, I dunno if you can reform a truck driver... > > But, pull up a stool and crack open a cold one! > > If you want to use rigger as a handle, you need to repeat the following, > so we will know you can be trusted.... "All Hail the Great and all > knowing Bill Sapsis, Mightiest and bravest of all the Riggers, A man > who's judgement is never questioned!" > > ;-) > > Welcome back! We missed you. It was too quiet. I was sure tempted to > mention that I thought you'd be back soon after your last e-mail. > > Stuart > > Tonight I was 450/600, which is pretty good for me! ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:35:39 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-Reply-To: References: I can see the danger of older-style gloves around the power tools, but the new tight fitting gloves (setwear, mechanix, etc) should be safe to wear. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:41:46 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Gloves in shops In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <00b001c6d216$6a6ab790$0201000a [at] Rattys> I use those style frequently in our shop. Just remember to Velcro the wrist strap. Some people, and I've done it in the past, just slip 'em on and leave the strap open. Very good way to catch a tool. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Brian Munroe Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:36 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Gloves in shops For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I can see the danger of older-style gloves around the power tools, but the new tight fitting gloves (setwear, mechanix, etc) should be safe to wear. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:49:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Does this mean you're back in Lansing as well? -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi On 9/6/06 6:27 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:03:02 EDT Subject: Re: Hullo? DAVE! Missed you tons! Glad you're back! Kristi (Yes, I'm THAT excited!!!) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780609061909x47875d70t22a1332c91531d78 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:09:15 -0400 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Hardboard floors In-Reply-To: References: > When we lay the floor > we leave a washer thickness gap between all the pieces. Does this > help when the first coat of paint hits the floor and allow the floor > to expand? Or is the expanding so little that the hardboard could be > butted up to each other? Would pre-painting the floor allow there to > be no gap between the sheets when it is layed out? The gap is a must. Our top layer of flooring seasonally expands and contracts up to 1/8" PER SHEET. The gaps between the hardboard (masonite) are about 1/4" or 3/8" in the winter and nonexistent in the summer, just due to humidity changes in the air. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780609061914h1c308f7fha49665e70470dd1b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:14:30 -0400 From: "Jason Salvatori" Cc: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-Reply-To: References:

Watch out for most power tools with gloves - even the tight fitting ones will help pull you in if they get caught. Anyone see the "American Chopper" where the mechanic (the good one, not one of the brothers) got his glove caught on a drill bit in the drill press? made a good mess of the meaty part of his hand... My policy is gloves on for any loading, unloading or hand tool work. Bare hands (which also means no rings - a ring is a good way to loose a finger at the joint!) when using power tools. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <18C4641A-ABCF-4C8F-88BC-07DB2782F8B4 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Hullo? Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:21:35 -0400 On 6 Sep 2006, at 19:27, Rigger wrote: > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver > here? Dave! Welcome home to the list! I'd wondered what had become of you. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 03:06:25 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Hullo? References: In-Reply-To: In message , Rigger writes >[*peeking around corner*] > >I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > >(yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) Strange I was thinking of you recently Dave. I hadn't seen any posts from you on the list and wondered if you'd ditched the industry or worse still succumbed to your dicky ticker. For fear of the latter I refrained from asking on the list. Good to see you're still hanging about. (So have you been truckin'?) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Hullo? Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:24:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c6d224$cb34d250$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) Well, damn. There goes the neighborhood.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <44FF8541.1080001 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:34:41 -0400 From: "Tracy S. Fitch" Subject: Re: Hullo? References:

In-Reply-To: NORM!!!! In message , Rigger writes >> [*peeking around corner*] >> >> I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Hardboard floors Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:11:56 -0700 I know every one has an opinion on this but this is the way I do it. Ok this is an outdoor amphitheatre covered with the roof at 54 foot to low steel, stage is 73' wide 56' deep concrete base 4' high from the "pit" with 2"x10" with 4'x8' "3/4" plywood deck beaten tight to keep everything straight and square with certain screw pattern ( screw pattern mostly so the screws can be found after a few layers paint on it ). This deck is outside where it gets rain. fog. beer, afternoon beating sun, 10k pound forklift, 33k pound Articulating boom lift, cars, trucks, you name it, been on that stage with no buckling, no nothing. About every seven months it pull up and stores out on the concrete wrap in plastic, the when its time to lay it back out, it remove what's left of the plastic remove all the bugs and other things that made home it the wood pile, then install it again for over 25 years years now and this is in So Cal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wych" > --------------------------------------------------- > > In our theatre we usally lay a hardboard floor and then paint it with > what the scenic designer wants for that show. When we lay the floor > we leave a washer thickness gap between all the pieces. Does this > help when the first coat of paint hits the floor and allow the floor > to expand? Or is the expanding so little that the hardboard could be > butted up to each other? Would pre-painting the floor allow there to > be no gap between the sheets when it is layed out? > > Thanks, > -- > Chris Wych > -Graduate Scenic Designer- > -Indiana State University- > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Hullo? Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 23:13:20 -0700 Dude, Welcome back Mr. Cotter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" > > [*peeking around corner*] > > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? > > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) > > -- > Dave Vick > IATSE #274 > Carpe Per Diem > Cogito, Ergo Zoom > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:45:16 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Side note: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I owned a 1969 Jaguar XKE, > > Ehm, never invoke the work of the 'Prince of Darkness'in a public forum. I > was introduced to Lucas Electrics in a '72 MG. This is how I learned that > 'earth' is 'ground', and not negative the world over. Lucas is a bit of a > joke in the automotive industry. Well, a bit of a punchline anyways. > "Why do Americans drink their beer cold?" > "So as to tell it from urine." > "Why do the Brits drink their beer warm?" > "'Cause Lucas also makes refridgeration." Which always makes me laugh even more since Lucas has absolutely nothing to do with refrigeration... > "How do you repair a burned wiring harness on a British automobile?" > "Show the insurance man the burning hulk, and buy German with the money." And now, the entire British auto industry is foreign, with substantial German investment... Charlie ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #939 *****************************