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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34557267; Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:50:53 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #941 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:49:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #941 1. floors/gloves by "Alan Bryson" 2. Re: Hullo's Quotes by Rigger 3. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Michael de Almeida 4. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Michael de Almeida 5. data logging meter review by Jerry Durand 6. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by "Storms, Randy" 7. Re: [user_group] Re: color blind cue lights by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 8. Re: Gloves in shops by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Lighting question by "Delbert Hall" 10. Re: Hullo's Quotes by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: Hullo? by CB 12. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by "Abby Downing" 13. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Herrick Goldman 14. Re: Lighting question by "Paul Schreiner" 15. Re: Side note: by CB 16. Re: Lighting question by Herrick Goldman 17. Re: Lighting question by "Frank E. Merrill" 18. Re: color blind cue lights by CB 19. Welcome back and OT - two wheels good by "Dougherty, Jim" 20. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Stephen Litterst 21. sound mixer to follow cues by CB 22. Re: color blind cue lights by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: Hardboard floors by "Occy" 24. Re: Hullo's Quotes by stagecraft [at] frederickfrank.com 25. Re: Lighting question by "Delbert Hall" 26. Re: Lighting question by "Delbert Hall" 27. Re: Lighting question by Herrick Goldman 28. Re: Side note: by Rigger 29. Re: Lighting question by "Daniel O'Donnell" 30. Re: Hullo's Quotes by Rigger 31. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 32. Re: Hullo's Quotes by Rigger 33. Re: Hullo? by Stuart Wheaton 34. Re: floors/gloves by "Brian Munroe" 35. Re: Side note: by Stuart Wheaton 36. Re: Hullo? by Rigger 37. Re: floors/gloves by Rigger 38. Re: Side note: by Jerry Durand 39. Re: Gloves in shops by Jerry Durand 40. Re: Gloves in shops by Stuart Wheaton 41. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 42. Re: floors/gloves by "Brian Munroe" 43. Re: color blind cue lights by "Occy" 44. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by Charlie Richmond 45. Re: color blind cue lights by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 46. Re: Hullo? by frankwood95 [at] aol.com 47. Re: Hullo's Quotes by Clive Mitchell 48. Re: Gloves in shops by "Chris Wych" 49. Re: Lighting question by "Tony Deeming" 50. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by "Tony Deeming" 51. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by Stephen Litterst 52. Re: Lighting question by "Ken Romaine" 53. Re: Hullo? by Brendan Quigley 54. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Tony Kambic 55. Re: Lighting question by "Occy" 56. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by Herrick Goldman 57. Re: Hullo's Quotes by "Occy" 58. Re: Hullo? by "Occy" 59. Re: Lighting question by Ford Sellers 60. Re: floors/gloves by "Occy" 61. Herrick's Test by Brendan Quigley 62. Re: Lighting question by "Joe Saint" 63. Don't show this to the costume designers. by Dale farmer 64. Re: Lighting question by Herrick Goldman 65. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 66. Re: Hullo? by Rigger 67. Re: Hullo? by Rigger 68. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 69. Re: Hullo? by Herrick Goldman *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-id: Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: floors/gloves From: "Alan Bryson" as mentioned by Jason, the gaps are designed to counteract the effects of fluctuations in humidity, not the warping effects of paint application. some things have been done for a long time for a reason. . . this is one. i'll fifth the reccomendation ( and do so in my shop) that well-fitting gloves may be worn properly. i do so myself to prevent injury/ skin insults. As long as other safety considerations are followed, gloves shouldn't hinder--in fact, a pair of gloves i was wearing when i had a 400# furniture peice rip off my fingertip held the peice of bone (and shredded flesh) in place so i could have it re-placed. . .i'm thankful for that. . . and don't let anyone cut aircraft cable with the bandsaw, either. . . alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:38:04 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes At 2:02 PM -0500 9/7/06, stagecraft [at] frederickfrank.com wrote: > Ok, I gotta ask, where'd you get the database of great quotes? I read a lot. > And what program do you use to attach 'em to your emails? Bone-stock Eudora. I haven't sussed out how to have Eudora automatically append a random sig, so I do it manually. Which is fine, as some of my "collection" would be ill-suited to this list. > Are they all of this ilk? Most are... Some are more serious, and some are flat-out obscene. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I almost don't feel the way I do, only more so. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <314CF5D7-9A0A-4BA3-AEC1-5BE513F32998 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:38:51 -0400 Hello, First off, pick up a copy of "The Automated Lighting Programmer's Handbook" by Brad Schiller. ISBN# 0-240-80602-6. It is a great reference on programming and setting up. If you are looking for laptop programming software, I've used Martin's Light Jockey. It's pretty easy to use. It has some pre- programmed effects or you can create your own. I don't know if you can get the software from Martin for free anymore, you'd have to call them. The thing they charge for is the USB to DMX interface. There are a lot of stand alone consoles out there. You can actually run automated lights off of an ETC board, but it's a pain. You have to be pretty proficient in tracking and groups. I've used the Leprecon LP-X series and had no problems. It's pretty straight forward and compact. It really depends on what you're looking for, though. Some other people out here can probably make more recommendations. Good luck. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6F0BAFD9-F2F6-4A51-87AD-74EDE3F94BF8 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:45:01 -0400 Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention, if you are going the ETC route, look into the Expression. It gives you encoder wheels for color, iris and such as well as keyboard and mouse/trackball support. The trackpad on the Express is horrible for programming motion. It works, but your fingers won't be happy with you. The ability to have encoder wheels and a keyboard for naming things is a major time saver. Just something to think about. Later. - Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Theaterworks, Hartford On Sep 7, 2006, at 2:57 PM, wrote: > > I currently have an ETC Express 48/96 console... moving light friendly>, but we do have a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:35:21 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: data logging meter review Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060907122031.01f0cf00 [at] interstellar.com> I've used that TP4000ZC meter I had mentioned for a bit and here are some comments: #1 It works and for the price is a good deal. It's not a high-end unit, but the whole thing only costs about as much as an interface cable for a high-end unit. It's got really high opto-isolation inside, an LED points through space at a phototransistor. Note that this won't work if light gets into the case (like when you have the back off looking at it). The included software is somewhat minimal and clunky, but I expected that. It requires the meter to be on COM1-4, so if you have a USB serial port, you might have to re-map it. You can record temperatures using an internal sensor by leaving the thermocouple unplugged, but it is VERY sensitive to interference in this mode. Touching the meter will cause the temperature to jump for a few seconds. In RECORD mode, it saves the data to memory until you save it to a file. If you collect more than 1000 points, it will make new files for each 1000 points. Combining these with a text editor and deleting the header on each file results with a data file that Excel is happy with. There's a sample file I made on an board with a bad power supply at: http://interstellar.com/temp/sample.xls There is no AC adaptor (it would require a high-voltage isolated wall wart), but the AA batteries should have a pretty long life (life not specified in the documentation). When you turn it on, if you hold SELECT it will beep and disable the auto-power off. Good to know when logging for more than 30 minutes. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:44:08 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C2D9 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Hey now - them's fightin' words! Herrick, I assume you're referring to = the new Strand "Palette" line - which does look a little toy-like = (unlike my 520i, whose ruggedly distinctive blue case just screams "all = business..." - *sigh*) Seriously, the rotary encoders on the 520i are OK if you're just doing = some scrollers, or the occasional ML show with a rental package; but if = you make the leap an buy a battery of Mac 500's/600's you'll get a lot = more bang for your buck with a dedicated ML desk. Cheers, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu _____________________________ > the new Strand line. (barbie's first light board) they are both = rumored to be more mover=20 >friendly. >-herrick=20 >"who can't believe he just recommended a Strand console for something" ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: color blind cue lights Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:47:15 -0400 Message-ID: <010e01c6d2b6$6bc43760$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > > red one goes on top, the green in the > >>middle, > >>and blue on the bottom. > > > >No I'm sorry. I believe that violates a Color Kinetic patent. > > No, I'm sure it doesn't, as I plaigerized it from the > standard RGB setup on component video kit the world 'round.. ; > But how does that help you against a CK patent? :) Jim RC4 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Gloves in shops Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06276305 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" I'd rather see gloves used more often. I use fingerless gloves constantly in the shop (but I usually go with cheap weightlifting gloves...as long as it's got a leather palm, it's good), and am of the opinion that someone is much more likely to get injured/cut/splintered from the workpiece than the tool. Then again, I also preach the cultivation of a Zen-like awareness of one's surroundings as the most important safety tool anywhere, so (hopefully) my students become aware of where their hands and gloves are in relation to the tools. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:49:36 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Lighting question Herrick and others, I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think would be better. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:00:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Now waitaminnit! You filter the really good ones from us! What list gets those? The trucker list? Come on I've worked with Local 8! You think it gets more obscene than that? I'm certain any local 8 brothers and sisters will take that as the compliment it was intended to be. Can we at least set up the list to send me the good ones and filter the bad words for the rest of the list? -Herrick On 9/7/06 3:38 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > > Bone-stock Eudora. I haven't sussed out how to have Eudora > automatically append a random sig, so I do it manually. Which is > fine, as some of my "collection" would be ill-suited to this list. > > >> Are they all of this ilk? > > Most are... Some are more serious, and some are flat-out obscene. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907124324.00c4f420 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:43:24 From: CB Subject: Re: Hullo? >Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. Who is this spelling and proofreading guru that has stolen the use of the initials CB? I used them here first, and I am far too old and crotchety for my age to go changing now. I'll have him killed... (muttermuttermutter...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E2B9 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" Warning- LONG post As a Martin Dealer, I'll take a mostly self-serving stab at this. Much of what I would suggest to you depends on how you're going to control them. With the Express- it becomes cumbersome if you're dealing with more than a couple of fixtures. =20 That said, read on: 1) I love Martin moving heads. (Perhaps I am biased, as I am a dealer- but I don't sell something I dislike or don't believe in) 2) I'm not sure exactly what kind of facility/circumstances you have (positions, throw distance, what effects you're trying to accomplish, etc.) but available to you from Martin (and most other big name manufacturers) you have different tiers of fixtures from a 250W category all the way up 1200W, so there are lots of options. 3) Perhaps most importantly- and my disclaimer- these are NOT inexpensive fixtures. You may well be able to find another brand that will do exactly what you need that costs much less. (The good part is as with most name-brands- it's usually quite easy to find additional fixtures of the same type in rental houses all over the place if you should choose to rent out extra for an event.) 4) Depending on budget- especially if it is tight- buy USED. There are several reputable used gear sites (I can list them here if you'd like), and Martin themselves (through a Martin Authorized Dealer) offer used fixtures with limited warranties and in various states of cosmetic and physical states. I, as well as any other Martin dealer on the list or off, would be happy to provide you with pricing or more information if you'd like. That said, I believe Martin tech support used to be just barely adequate- if not lacking- but within the last few years (3-4?), they've mostly revamped how they handle things there, and their newer support system is among the best I deal with. =20 IMPORTANT NOTE: Whoever you decide to purchase from- especially if you're purchasing them new- I strongly suggest that you should seek out a vendor who has Martin certified service technicians- and make sure your vendor is skilled and knowledgeable, and will support you as much, if not more so than Martin themselves. Will they be there for you for the 2am emergency? Will they provide you with a loaner at no cost or a reduced rental rate if yours go down for some reason? Are they patient ant willing to educate you on how the fixture operates and provide some initial guidance for you? The only major problems I've encountered with the fixtures you mention are usually problems that originate with poor handling or shipping, or goodness forbid, plugging things tapped at a lower voltage into supplies with a higher one. =20 The 500's are pretty rock-solid. We have 14 in our rental inventory. I service/maintain these all the time- and if I had to pick one flaw about them- it would be the focus lens design- which has since been corrected on newer fixtures. Over time (I'm talking years, not months) I've seen some of the high temp glue give way that held the color flags in place- but that has also been corrected and is an entirely reliable design now, from my experience. I cannot think of one other single complaint or major flaw with them. As compared to the newer line of fixtures- they're definitely not the brightest fixture you could choose. With older optics design and metal reflector- they're a bit lacking in the brightness and punch department. In their time, they were great- but there are newer fixtures out now (Like the MAC550) that far surpass the MAC500. Regarding the 600's- there are two types. The regular MAC600 has gradated dichroic color WHEELS that spin around to mix color. There is also the MAC600 NT fixture that has color FLAGS that move in and out- and the color gradation is accomplished by fingers of color that get thicker as the color is more saturated. Most of my experience is with the regular MAC600's. They have also been pretty darn stable in my opinion. We own twelve- and in nine years- we've replaced the reflectors once, and probably replaced perhaps a dozen color wheels (About $275 ea list, I think) but we are also a rental house- so they get more abuse than what they would sitting in a theatre, perhaps. The belts on the color and frost wheels have recently started to show wear and I will soon be replacing some- but this is normal stuff that happens over time and not necessarily a flaw. With both of these fixtures- I don't think I've ever had a ballast (we own all magnetic) go bad. Perhaps one lamp starter- maybe two. I clean and maintain these pretty religiously once a year, so they're kept up very well. Speaking totally from a service perspective- the MAC600 is a bit of a pain to service due to the way they layer the wheels together- but if you're skilled, it really is nothing more than an annoyance and shouldn't represent any major problem. Both types of fixtures above have served us well- used on banquets, corporate meetings and events, trade shows, parties, concerts of all types, tent shows, outdoor events, etc. You can make them work for you as subtly or as flash and trash-y as you'd like- depending on how sophisticated the controller is and how adept the programmer is. Now, if you're looking for the best bang for your buck- and want speed, superior optics, better effects, less noise (in some cases), and a sleek look- Martin's newer line of fixtures may serve you better- and in my opinion, are easier to work on from a service perspective. Of course, for all these wonderful features, the cost also increases. Martin also has a brand-new Tungsten fixture that will be released at LDI that, if memory serves, is very quiet and bright. Also- ETC's Source Four Revolution may well be a very good choice for you. VERY quiet, blends nicely with a static rig, and is very customizable. Ask your local dealer for a demo- for ANY fixture you're interested. Hang it, program it, and use it for a day or two and see for yourself if it is the best choice for you. Arrange for different brands of fixtures to be demo'd at the same time so you can do your own shoot-out and see what's the best fit for your situation. Feel free to contact me off-list if I can be of further help (or if you'd like to see some pictures from some shows we've done with Martin fixtures). Kind Regards, Abby -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of macarrillo [at] uisd.net Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:37 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Alright people,=20 I would greatly appreciate your help. The district is looking into investing in some moving heads (Thank Goodness).=20 ::SNIP:: Michael =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:05:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I was recently on a strand desk (the one that looks like it folds up to be a briefcase, but it doesn't.) And we found a way to make it so channels wouldn't actually come up even though they came up in the programmer. No we were NOT in blind. It was some weird patch option that was buried. Special thanks to Bobby Harrell for receiving an unsolicited phone call and helping us out of that one. -H On 9/7/06 3:44 PM, "Storms, Randy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey now - them's fightin' words! Herrick, I assume you're referring to the > new Strand "Palette" line - which does look a little toy-like (unlike my 520i, > whose ruggedly distinctive blue case just screams "all business..." - *sigh*) > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:58:55 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0627632D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" We did something similar last spring, with a "TV" off in the SR wing. IIRC it was just two instruments, and the board op basically just futzed with the bump buttons...generally, the glow from a TV is too diffuse to make an LCD projector "realistic" (and, despite the constantly changing imagery on the screen, overkill). Depending on the length of the effect, the RGB method would probably work well for you, though I would advise against getting too picayune in the timing of the varying colors. Love to see the final result online somewhere, though...hehe. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907125049.00c4f420 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:50:49 From: CB Subject: Re: Side note: >That's funny. I actually thought they really did make refrigerators and >that's why their cars sucked. Lucas brought about many new things, but Charlie is right, tehy never actually made 'fridges. The rumour is that they supplied some wiring, once, to an experimental or educational refrigeration something-or-another, so that's where the joke started. Innovations brought about by Lucas Electrics: The first intermmittent windshield wiper motor Self dimming headlights The first electronic anti-theft device (Lucas Electronics) Lucas holds the patent for the short circuit. In an attempt to diversify, Lucas (The Prince of Darkness, tm) did start to make vacuums for a short while in the '70's. The reviews touted them as the first Lucas Electric product the doesn't suck. the entire Lucas line can be summed up in one quote by it's humble beginner: "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas (1842 - 1903) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:12:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting question From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sounds like fun. A few ideas. First go home, turn off all the lights, put a family member on your couch and watch them flip channels. Depending on the shows you'll get mostly whitish/blu with some black flickers and when the adds hit you get more saturated. So yes the VCR/LCD works but also some lekos like you said. I think it;s more the timing and motion of the effect. If you have 3 lekos (or pars) L203/R09/R79 (just a guess white,amb,blue with some green) Cue 1 unit 1 up and flickers 60%-80% on an effect Cue 2 Bump X-fade to unit 2 and that flickers Cue 3 bump etc...etc.. Combining the lamps may improve your flicker. It's gotta be a fast fast flicker when it flickers though. But frequently like when you watch the nightly news there will be very little flicker if it's a static scene on the TV. Ask the director what the guy is seeing on the TV. It;s his idea he should know, right? HTH -H On 9/7/06 3:49 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick and others, > > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. > > -Delbert -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:07:53 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <100707437.20060907160753 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Thursday, September 7, 2006, Delbert Hall wrote: > the director wants a realistic light from the TV to play off the > actor and the set I'd start by using a ficker generator and a light source gelled to no color blue or perhaps a little higher color temp...um...is the TV to be black & white or color? Darn...where's that variegated gelatine coor media? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.65.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907130121.00c4f420 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:01:21 From: CB Subject: Re: color blind cue lights >Michael Powers said that: >Bruce Purdy writes: >On 6 Sep 2006, at 07:20, CB wrote: > >,,..........All new construction was mandated to include a handicap >elevator .............. we had to carry them up and down the stairs >because the elevator was restricted to "Handicap use only"! ........>> I didn't write it, I was just a muse at that point, but y'all knew that, dincha!?! Watch the Re: attrributes, Mike. Some folks are touchy about such things. (I'm just making sure that plausible deniability still applies...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:18:30 -0400 Subject: Welcome back and OT - two wheels good From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: Welcome back, Dave! It sounds like you have sixteen wheels to spare now. New-to-me is also how I describe my 1982 Honda CM450E. Not quite the same thing as an Aspencade or a spanking-new VTX-1300, but still lots of fun. Er, I mean, good on gas and highly economical. - Jim Dougherty ATD Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45007F08.2050309 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:20:24 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S References: In-Reply-To: macarrillo [at] uisd.net wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Alright people, > > I would greatly appreciate your help. The district is looking into > investing in some moving heads (Thank Goodness). > I would like to see if you have worked with these > fixtures before, or recommend something else...Problems you have > encountered with these fixtures. Do they have good tech support if I > run into problems? I purchased and used MAC 500s and 600s at my last job. I liked them and found Martin very helpful the rare times I had to go to them for tech support. I did find the stock lens on the 500s to be a little small -- it's worth the cost to get the 23.5 degree lens. We bought ours used from PRG and got a phenomenal price. But our salesguy isn't there anymore so your price might just be good instead of phenomenal. The 500s/600s are getting harder to find used or in rental stock. They are older models and rental houses are buying newer styles as the 500s/600s die or get sold off. Unless you've already done so, I'd check with your preferred rental house to see what they're using these days and get that brand/model. I love the MAC units, but if you'll end up renting VLs or High-End units to supplement your inventory it would be nice for the rentals to match what you already own. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907131507.00c4f420 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:15:07 From: CB Subject: sound mixer to follow cues >I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate to follow the lighting >console's cuelist Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, but the best way to get sound to do what you want it to do is to put a soundguy behind the console. Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and taking your whole life or your whole budget to actually work, at worst. Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not trying to make art, what is it that you are trying to do? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <+51aM3H$8HAFFwbS [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:21:19 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: color blind cue lights References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >You're lucky. If they had complained that the rehearsal room was not >accessible, the administration might have been bullied into installing >an elevator - for wheelchair-bound ballet dancers. And don't forget the cost of all those wheelchair tutu's with their incontinence proof fabrics and eyelets for attaching them to the chassis. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Hardboard floors Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:32:40 -0700 Oh thing I did forget to state as the deck is first painted Edward-Dunn premium primer before the standard Edward-Dunn flat black. The main reason for the primer was that it would keep the paint down or on the deck from the miles of gaff tape that get stuck to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Occy" > I know every one has an opinion on this but this is the way I do it. Ok > this > is an outdoor amphitheatre covered with the roof at 54 foot to low steel, > stage is 73' wide 56' deep concrete base 4' high from the "pit" with > 2"x10" > with 4'x8' "3/4" plywood deck beaten tight to keep everything straight > and > square with certain screw pattern ( screw pattern mostly so the screws > can > be found after a few layers paint on it ). This deck is outside where it > gets rain. fog. beer, afternoon beating sun, 10k pound forklift, 33k pound > Articulating boom lift, cars, trucks, you name it, been on that stage with > no buckling, no nothing. About every seven months it pull up and stores > out > on the concrete wrap in plastic, the when its time to lay it back out, it > remove what's left of the plastic remove all the bugs and other things > that > made home it the wood pile, then install it again for over 25 years years > now and this is in So Cal. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:33:11 -0500 (CDT) From: stagecraft [at] frederickfrank.com Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Rigger wrote: > I read a lot. Must be from the "papers" at the truck stop urinals. > Bone-stock Eudora. I haven't sussed out how to have Eudora automatically > append a random sig, so I do it manually. Which is fine, as some of my > "collection" would be ill-suited to this list. I tried that for a while but found I spent to much time deciding which one to put where. Some time ago there was a program avail. that would do it for you. I haven't found it since. Though I think it only worked for text mailers on unix boxes. > Most are... Some are more serious, and some are flat-out obscene. Hmmm... How would one get on the broader list? latr rick ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:33:04 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References:

> Ask the director what the guy is seeing on the TV. It;s his idea he should > know, right? Uhhhh.... The first scene take place a pool hall. At the production meeting yesterday I asked the director what makes this particular pool hall have the right atmoshere for this scene. She said she did not understand the question. So I then asked her this was a large or small pool hall (how many pool tables) and if she (the director) thought the pool hall was generally dark with a light above each table, or if the hall was generally well-lit. She said something like "it is just a pool hall on the side of the road." My next two questions were about the look of the very first cue and when it happened. Her response was "tell me what you think." I don't think she has decided if the pool hall is in California or Nevada. I did find out that the TV is muted during this scene, so the light does not have to match any kind of sound cue. I like the suggestion of setting up four or five "looks" in submasters and letting the board op bump between them, combine them and play with their intensity, to create lots of "looks". -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:36:12 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References:

On 9/7/06, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > I'd start by using a ficker generator and a light source gelled to no > color blue or perhaps a little higher color temp...um...is the TV to > be black & white or color? Darn...where's that variegated gelatine > coor media? Frank - I thought about variegated gel too!!! How do a build a flicker generator? Sounds like a fun project. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:53:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting question From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well if you want to make her work a bit and point out her need to choose a pool hall. Just rent the "Color of Money" as research and fast forward through the 5 or 6 hall's Newman and Cruise go through. Right up to the tourney. That should give her a clue. Good luck, it sounds like you are on your own. -H On 9/7/06 4:33 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > Uhhhh.... The first scene take place a pool hall. At the production > meeting yesterday I asked the director what makes this particular pool > hall have the right atmoshere for this scene. She said she did not > understand the question. So I then asked her this was a large or small > pool hall (how many pool tables) and if she (the director) thought the > pool hall was generally dark with a light above each table, or if the > hall was generally well-lit. She said something like "it is just a > pool hall on the side of the road." My next two questions were about > the look of the very first cue and when it happened. Her response was > "tell me what you think." I don't think she has decided if the pool > hall is in California or Nevada. I did find out that the TV is muted > during this scene, so the light does not have to match any kind of > sound cue. > > I like the suggestion of setting up four or five "looks" in submasters > and letting the board op bump between them, combine them and play with > their intensity, to create lots of "looks". > > -Delbert -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:59:36 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Side note: At 12:50 PM -0400 9/7/06, CB wrote: >Innovations brought about by Lucas Electrics: >The first intermmittent windshield wiper motor >Self dimming headlights Neither of which were originally intended to be such. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I've been working on accepting my inner scumbag. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:05:24 -0400 There is always the florescent starter in series with an A lamp. Though that's only good for something like a 40W or so. Starter size and lamp wattage will determine the flicker. On Sep 7, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 9/7/06, Frank E. Merrill wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> >> I'd start by using a ficker generator and a light source gelled to no >> color blue or perhaps a little higher color temp...um...is the TV to >> be black & white or color? Darn...where's that variegated gelatine >> coor media? > > Frank - I thought about variegated gel too!!! > > How do a build a flicker generator? Sounds like a fun project. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:10:49 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes At 4:00 PM -0400 9/7/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: >Now waitaminnit! You filter the really good ones from us! What list gets >those? The trucker list? No, a long-distance endurance motorcyclists' list. Truckers can't read. >Come on I've worked with Local 8! You think it gets more obscene than that? Perhaps not, but if memory serves there are some youthful (read: high school and younger) members of this list, and I don't think my personal views of politics/religion/sex/any combination of these/&c., complete with "colorful" language, would be appropriate to their theatrical "education." One of the tenants of my Masonic fraternity is that we don't discuss politics and religion in the Lodge, as they tend to be divisive topics. Personally, I think this is good advice for the Rest Of The World. But that's just the view from where I sit... YMMV, of course. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to comprehend... Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand." --Rush, "Witch Hunt" ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:15:09 GMT Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues Message-Id: <20060907.141515.8266.457528 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Some synchronization between donner and blitzen is often appropriate. /s/ Richard _________________________ >I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate to follow the = lighting console's cuelist _________________ Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, but the best way = to get sound to do what you want it to do is to put a soundguy behind = the console. Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and = taking your whole life or your whole budget to actually work, at = worst. Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not trying to = make art, what is it that you are trying to do? Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:14:55 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes At 3:33 PM -0500 9/7/06, stagecraft [at] frederickfrank.com wrote: >> I read a lot. > > Must be from the "papers" at the truck stop urinals. P.G. Wodehouse, P.J. O'Rourke, The Daily Show, Christopher Moore, Tom Robbins, a metric buttload of blogs, some witticisms from the motey-bike list... > I tried that for a while but found I spent to much time deciding > which one to put where. Some time ago there was a program avail. > that would do it for you. I haven't found it since. Though I > think it only worked for text mailers on unix boxes. I don't have *that* many sigs... ;^) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism." -- Type O Negative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45008E2E.8080006 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:25:02 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Hullo? References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > At 9:08 AM -0400 9/7/06, Ken Romaine wrote: > >> You were missed, but watch out, our aim is improving. > > > So has mine, sir; so has mine. 2605-32X I'll say! I am NOT worthy! prolly used optics tho... Stu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:27:34 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: floors/gloves In-Reply-To: References: > and don't let anyone cut aircraft cable with the bandsaw, either. . . That is what cold chisels are for. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500910F.9080908 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:37:19 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Side note: References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > > Lucas holds the patent for the short circuit. Aw, crap! Alright, where are we supposed to send the royalty checks, and how much do they charge per unauthorised use? Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:39:03 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo? At 5:25 PM -0400 9/7/06, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >> So has mine, sir; so has mine. > >2605-32X I'll say! I am NOT worthy! Practice, practice, practice... >prolly used optics tho... UltraDot rocks! -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he machine-gunned the survivors ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:40:45 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: floors/gloves At 5:27 PM -0400 9/7/06, Brian Munroe wrote: >> and don't let anyone cut aircraft cable with the bandsaw, either. . . > > That is what cold chisels are for. Yow! And here I wasted all that money on a pair of C7s... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No comment" is a comment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:47:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Side note: In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060907144640.01ef35e8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 02:14 PM 9/6/2006, Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: >My first car was a Triumph TR-4 with the infamous Lucas electrics. > >The 3-position light switch was "Dim - Flicker - Off' > >Carla My wife had a TR-4A when we met. After replacing the entire electrical harness (REALLY!) and such, we sold it to our mailman who was very happy to have it. Glad it made someone happy. Actually, my wife loved the car when it was working. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:51:15 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060907144928.01f67968 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 03:39 PM 9/6/2006, Chris Wych wrote: >there might be safety issues with getting gloves >caught in saws and grinders. My wife lost a fingertip when her glove caught in a steel roller (she used to design/fabricate wrought iron). Her problem has always been getting gloves small enough to fit. So, make SURE people wear appropriately sized gloves, but you may have to look far and wide for them. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450096AE.7080601 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:01:18 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Gloves in shops References: In-Reply-To: Chris Wych wrote: > Yes another opinion question from me. > > What are people opinions on using gloves while working in a university > theatre scenic shop. In our shop we're not allowed to use gloves > unless we are unloading steal or operating the fly lines. Damn! I bet welding is no fun in your shop! When unloading the steal are you using latex gloves to keep the fingerprints off it? Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:20:52 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8A0E303B3F756-A40-DB0 [at] WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues >I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate to follow the lighting >console's cuelist Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, but the best way to get sound to do what you want it to do is to put a soundguy behind the console. Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and taking your whole life or your whole budget to actually work, at worst. Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not trying to make art, what is it that you are trying to do? You are, and you are right. Half the time, I want the lighting console to follow the sound cues. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:27:56 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: floors/gloves In-Reply-To: References:

On 9/7/06, Rigger wrote: >> Yow! And here I wasted all that money on a pair of C7s... Just think of how many cold chisels you can buy for the price of one C7. I am trying to find a ratcheting version of C12s for a reasonable price. Cutting 3/8" cable with no leverage while standing on top of a truss sucks. > "No comment" is a comment. "If you choose not to decide, You still have made a choice." Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com References:

Subject: Re: color blind cue lights Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:31:57 -0700 The truss on the roof most likely be a thing of the past since the new 200 million dollar glass front music hall is will open soon across the walk way from you. They might want some type art work on the roof though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lagerquist" > There is elevator access to the cats in the new space, as well as the > storage and amp spaces that are sort of the same level. But I would > bet it would still be a trick to focus a unit.... However it does > make a big dent in the work of getting truss onto the roof.... > Jon Lagerquist > Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory > Costa Mesa, CA > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:33:29 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Byron Lovelace wrote: > I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate to follow the lighting > console's cuelist, I guess using midi to trigger a sequence of snapshots. > How would I go about this? What set-up is needed? What mixers could you > recommend that could do this? Our AudioBox is designed to do this as well as to be the show controller that calls lighting cues ;-) See my sig... Good luck! Charlie | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | | AudioBox List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html | | ShowMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/smlist.html | | "Let distribution undo excess - And each man have enough" | | - King Lear | ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:54:28 GMT Subject: Re: color blind cue lights Message-Id: <20060907.155520.8266.458092 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> How about a billboard on the SCR roof, facing the new Segerstrom = Concert Hall, that says: "Bored with tonight's Concert? South Coast = Repertory Shows are never boring! THREE stages to choose from! Leave = your car parked and cross the driveway for some exciting theatre"? /s/ Richard ___________________________________ The truss on the roof most likely be a thing of the past since the = new 200 million dollar glass front music hall is will open soon = across the walk way from you. They might want some type art work on = the roof though. ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Jon Lagerquist" > There is elevator access to the cats in the new space, as well as = the > storage and amp spaces that are sort of the same level. But I would > bet it would still be a trick to focus a unit.... However it does > make a big dent in the work of getting truss onto the roof.... > Jon Lagerquist > Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory > Costa Mesa, CA > > = ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:01:30 -0400 From: frankwood95 [at] aol.com Message-Id: <8C8A0E8B093575E-A40-FB7 [at] WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Hullo? And the bonus question: "Is Frank Wood ever right?; explain in one paragraph or less" Well, this is a matter of opinion. On straight engineering questions, better than 98%. On straight stagecraft, rather less, especially allowing for transatlantic differences. But I propose nothing that I have not found to work for me. Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:17:57 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Rigger writes >Perhaps not, but if memory serves there are some youthful (read: high >school and younger) members of this list, and I don't think my personal >views of politics/religion/sex/any combination of these/&c., complete >with "colorful" language, would be appropriate to their theatrical >"education." It's OK. I've lowered the standard already. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <182100c80609071626k95837a3wb362ab9067fbc42b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:26:06 -0400 From: "Chris Wych" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-Reply-To: References:

I always wondered why my hands where so sunburned and red. I'm just kidding. The university does supply welding gloves. That rememinds me that I should buy a pair of welding gloves for my personal use. This summer the company I worked for Had a really nice pair, they where still leather but where really soft. Whats worse then wearing the gloves for the steal is wearing the masks with the wood to prevent any excuess mosture getting on the wood while we work. Although most of my coworkers can be filled with hot air so maybe the university is afraid of us drying the wood out too much. Laughing behind my mask, Chris Wych On 9/7/06, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Chris Wych wrote: > > > Yes another opinion question from me. > > > > What are people opinions on using gloves while working in a university > > theatre scenic shop. In our shop we're not allowed to use gloves > > unless we are unloading steal or operating the fly lines. > > Damn! I bet welding is no fun in your shop! > > When unloading the steal are you using latex gloves to keep the > fingerprints off it? > > > Stuart > > -- Chris Wych -Graduate Scenic Designer- -Indiana State University- ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:31:39 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Use one (or two if there's room) LED pars and do some random flicker effects. The beauty of using the LED's is that you can have different colour densities for each 'channel', so there's a noticeable difference when he clicks the buttons. I did this effect in Iolanthe (don't ask!!) about 20 years ago with a simple pair of coda's gelled differently. Obviously not as versatile as LED's now, but still effective. Almost as effective as when we blew the TV up as part of the scene!! 8-)) TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Delbert > Hall > Sent: 07 September 2006 20:50 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Lighting question > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick and others, > > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > 423-773-4255 > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: sound mixer to follow cues Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: LOL Didn't some people say the same about lighting memory desks a few years ago....? 8-)) > Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, but the best way to get > sound to do what you want it to do is to put a soundguy behind > the console. > Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and taking your whole > life or your whole budget to actually work, at worst. > Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not trying to make art, > what is it that you are trying to do? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500ADA2.5050308 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:39:14 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues References: In-Reply-To: Tony Deeming wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > LOL > Didn't some people say the same about lighting memory desks a few years > ago....? > > 8-)) > Actually, that was Frank Wood and he said it last week. :D Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:53:21 -0400 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References: Delbert: Many moons ago, I did the same effect for a Shel Silverstein one act. In my case there was a TV, facing away from the audience, towards the actor. We put 1 or 2 3" fresnels in the box, with barn doors IIRC, and gelled them something like Lee 201 - for the higher color temperature needed. All I did as board op was to set a level and bump to it. Set another level and bump to that. Kinda random, on my own time, every so-many seconds (no cue, other than TV on, TV off). The levels were whatever looked good (IIRC 30%-70% or so). You could probably write an effect with a bunch of steps (ot avoid noticable repitition) to do this. I had a 2-scene preset board. That said - Herrick's idea about real-life research is a great place to start. It contributed to our solution, as outlined above. My first thought is that RGB is not necessary here, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. (D. Miller) Experimentation is a good, and can be fun. Hope this helps. Let us know what you end up doing. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 9/7/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > > Herrick and others, > > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. > > -Delbert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:57:06 -0400 From: Brendan Quigley Subject: Re: Hullo? In-reply-to: Message-id: <41438B7F-7217-496C-90D2-D5FFA4B9BC5D [at] earthlink.net> References: Dear God ... who left the door open??? > [*peeking around corner*] what the ... > I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver > here? You were a reformed stagehand when you became a "truck driver" ... how will you ever change back? > (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) There goes all that peace and quiet I was experiencing ... LOL To quote ELP: "Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends ..." Kind Regards, Brendan C. Quigley Head Electrician / Vari*Lite Technician WICKED - A New Broadway Musical ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:59:44 -0400 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S In-reply-to: Message-id: <001101c6d2d9$b10c3020$7a88c744 [at] tony> > -herrick > "who can't believe he just recommended a Strand console for something" You looking to get in w/ the StrandGenLyteing folks huh? Tony M Kambic Lead Electronics Technician - City Theatrical Freelance lighting technician, NY, NY > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick > Goldman > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:30 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The Mac500's are robust and useful. What is your throw distance? They may > not be bright enough if you are shooting from FOH and against regular > front > washes. > > What kind of concerts? > > If noise is an issue I'd suggest VL1000 arc's; nice and quiet. But you > lose > some stuff. The optics are great though. > > Regarding a controller, if it's your house and your console and you have > time to set it up and play with it. The ETC is fine for most shows. > Joe's > Pub at the Publick theater is run by a guy named Kevin Hardy. He controls > about 12 movers on an ETC express. All in groups and he has cheat sheets > all > over the face of the board. But it's his rig and he knows it well. > > OTOH if you have $$ and you think you'll be buying more ML's take a look > at > the new ETC consoles and the new Strand line. (barbie's first light board) > they are both rumored to be more mover friendly. > > -herrick > "who can't believe he just recommended a Strand console for something" > > -- > Herrick Goldman > Lighting Designer, NYC > www.HGLightingDesign.com > 917-797-3624 > "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in > light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:27:26 -0700 Boy Delbert your loved! But my cheap way of doing it would take your favorite instrument that you have a scroller for that is, not knowing what instrument is, bring the temp of the light to 5k to 6k Kelvin, then make a scroll for the scroller out of clear for the max amount it will handle then take the big marker and make a sign wave about 2" and a few big vertical in it to. just have control of the power supply for the scroller so its either on of off, as to not kill the scroller to bad. and be sure to use your favorite fuzzy media too. the scroller will go back and forth looking for home and never can find it. - Original Message ----- From: "Delbert Hall" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Lighting question > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick and others, > > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > 423-773-4255 > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:40:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey I calls 'em like I sees 'em. I've restrained myself on the Martin front. :) On 9/7/06 7:59 PM, "Tony Kambic" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> -herrick >> "who can't believe he just recommended a Strand console for something" > Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Hullo's Quotes Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:37:02 -0700 Well now we have a new trucker driver on list, I sure that there isn't much the 16-18 years to haven't heard or used either, even though we have many people from the houses of worship some have done the same. ----- Original Message ----- > --------------------------------------------------- > > Now waitaminnit! You filter the really good ones from us! What list gets > those? The trucker list? > > Come on I've worked with Local 8! You think it gets more obscene than > that? > > I'm certain any local 8 brothers and sisters will take that as the > compliment it was intended to be. > > Can we at least set up the list to send me the good ones and filter the > bad > words for the rest of the list? > > -Herrick > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Hullo? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:39:02 -0700 I just Frank's email to come though readable IE who said what is all I want right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Hullo? > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > And the bonus question: > > "Is Frank Wood ever right?; explain in one paragraph or less" > > Well, this is a matter of opinion. On straight engineering questions, > better than 98%. On straight stagecraft, rather less, especially > allowing for transatlantic differences. But I propose nothing that I > have not found to work for me. > > Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. > > And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed with an > 's', rather than with a 'z'. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060907203614.0339fea0 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:40:33 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References:

Hi Delbert, Cheaper than a scroller is just two+ of virtually any instrument. Do as the others have said (Gel em' blue, build a chase [High=80%, Low=30%, ins and outs of 0, dwell whatever, random order]) and let it run!! ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: floors/gloves Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:42:59 -0700 Yep I know the feeling! And with one arm trying to make you think your safe too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Munroe" > > Just think of how many cold chisels you can buy for the price of one > C7. I am trying to find a ratcheting version of C12s for a reasonable > price. Cutting 3/8" cable with no leverage while standing on top of a > truss sucks. > > > > "No comment" is a comment. > > "If you choose not to decide, You still have made a choice." > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:47:55 -0400 From: Brendan Quigley Subject: Herrick's Test In-reply-to: Message-id: <28A1615B-0542-42EF-B72B-96E731676104 [at] earthlink.net> References: I read this ... >> Pronounce "Houston". > > HOW-ston. and all I can say is this: f [at] #$king yankee ... Kind Regards, Brendan C. Quigley Head Electrician / Vari*Lite Technician WICKED - A New Broadway Musical ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:55:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6d2e1$8751d700$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: Herrick (echoed by Ken) has had the best comment: Sit in your TV room and watch someone flip channels. The only thing is Herrick suggested doing it with the lights OFF. Will the lights be OFF in your production? Because if they aren't, then sit in your living room with the lights ON and see what happens. I'll start you with hint: NOTHING HAPPENS! The light emitted by a TV in a room with any normal room lighting is inconsequential. Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ken Romaine Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lighting question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Delbert: Many moons ago, I did the same effect for a Shel Silverstein one act. In my case there was a TV, facing away from the audience, towards the actor. We put 1 or 2 3" fresnels in the box, with barn doors IIRC, and gelled them something like Lee 201 - for the higher color temperature needed. All I did as board op was to set a level and bump to it. Set another level and bump to that. Kinda random, on my own time, every so-many seconds (no cue, other than TV on, TV off). The levels were whatever looked good (IIRC 30%-70% or so). You could probably write an effect with a bunch of steps (ot avoid noticable repitition) to do this. I had a 2-scene preset board. That said - Herrick's idea about real-life research is a great place to start. It contributed to our solution, as outlined above. My first thought is that RGB is not necessary here, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. (D. Miller) Experimentation is a good, and can be fun. Hope this helps. Let us know what you end up doing. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 9/7/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > > Herrick and others, > > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. > > -Delbert ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500C10B.8040504 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:02:03 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Don't show this to the costume designers. Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:10:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting question From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Joe don't you have a tent to be in? I'm nitpicking here, but obviously the director has some concept in mind. He/she wouldn't ask for the effect otherwise. You're being Woodish. :) I'm sure you're right about TV's not casting enuf ambient light to beat out environmental lighting. _H On 9/7/06 8:55 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick (echoed by Ken) has had the best comment: > Sit in your TV room and watch someone flip channels. > > The only thing is Herrick suggested doing it with the lights OFF. Will the > lights be OFF in your production? Because if they aren't, then sit in your > living room with the lights ON and see what happens. > > I'll start you with hint: NOTHING HAPPENS! > > The light emitted by a TV in a room with any normal room lighting is > inconsequential. > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ken Romaine > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:53 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Lighting question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Delbert: > > Many moons ago, I did the same effect for a Shel Silverstein one act. > In my case there was a TV, facing away from the audience, towards the > actor. We put 1 or 2 3" fresnels in the box, with barn doors IIRC, > and gelled them something like Lee 201 - for the higher color > temperature needed. All I did as board op was to set a level and bump > to it. Set another level and bump to that. Kinda random, on my own > time, every so-many seconds (no cue, other than TV on, TV off). The > levels were whatever looked good (IIRC 30%-70% or so). You could > probably write an effect with a bunch of steps (ot avoid noticable > repitition) to do this. I had a 2-scene preset board. > > That said - Herrick's idea about real-life research is a great place > to start. It contributed to our solution, as outlined above. > > My first thought is that RGB is not necessary here, but that's just my > opinion, I could be wrong. (D. Miller) Experimentation is a good, > and can be fun. > > Hope this helps. Let us know what you end up doing. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:12:25 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 8:47 PM -0400 9/7/06, Brendan Quigley wrote: >I read this ... > >>> Pronounce "Houston". >> >> HOW-ston. > >and all I can say is this: > > f [at] #$king yankee ... What, there's a HYOU-ston street in NYC? I don't think so... Tee, and also Hee! -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a- government, let it push us around, and then wonder how all those assholes got in there." --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:14:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo? At 7:57 PM -0400 9/7/06, Brendan Quigley wrote: >Dear God ... who left the door open??? > >> [*peeking around corner*] >what the ... > >> I see some familiar names... Any room for a reformed truck driver here? >You were a reformed stagehand when you became a "truck driver" ... >how will you ever change back? > >> (yes, i'm back on the call list. relenquish all hope, &c.) >There goes all that peace and quiet I was experiencing ... LOL > >To quote ELP: "Welcome back my friend, to the show that never ends ..." Hey, how come you don't return your voicemails, BQ? [*sigh*] Punk kids these days... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Boycott political correctness - offend someone today! ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:16:06 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo? At 7:01 PM -0400 9/7/06, frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >> Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. > > And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed > with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. I see you've still not developed a timely sense of humor in my absence, Frank... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net If Helen Keller had psychic ability, would you say that she had a "fourth sense"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:30:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dude we're a Republic! On 9/7/06 9:12 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net > > "Americans like to talk about (or be told about) > Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find > it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead > for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. > We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a- > government, let it push us around, and then wonder > how all those assholes got in there." > > --Frank Zappa > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:32:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dave please excuse Fran k he;s only in the infancy of his Gangsta evolution yo! On 9/7/06 9:16 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 7:01 PM -0400 9/7/06, frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > >>> Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. >> >> And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed >> with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. > > > I see you've still not developed a timely sense of humor in my > absence, Frank... -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #941 *****************************