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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34575131; Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:01:57 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,TW_YY autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #942 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:00:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #942 1. Re: Lighting question by "Joe Saint" 2. Re: Lighting question by Herrick Goldman 3. Re: Lighting question by David Duffy 4. Re: Lighting question by "Joe Saint" 5. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 6. Re: Hullo? by Rigger 7. Re: Herrick's Test by MissWisc [at] aol.com 8. Re: Lighting question by Herrick Goldman 9. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Delbert Hall" 10. Re: Hullo? by Herrick Goldman 11. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 12. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by "Jason Salvatori" 13. Re: Herrick's Test by MissWisc [at] aol.com 14. Re: Gloves in shops by Frederick Frank 15. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 16. Re: poys and keyyles by "Don Taco" 17. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 18. Re: [user_group] Re: color blind cue lights by CB 19. Re: poys and keyyles by Rigger 20. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by CB 21. Re: floors/gloves by CB 22. Re: Lighting question by CB 23. Re: Lighting question by "kosteral [at] juno.com" 24. Re: poys and keyyles by Bill Sapsis 25. Re: poys and keyyles by Frederick Frank 26. Re: poys and keyyles by "Zirngibl, Ryan John" 27. Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S by "Jon Ares" 28. Re: Gloves in shops by "Paul Schreiner" 29. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by Simon Shuker 30. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by Ford Sellers 31. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Eric Lin" 32. The return of "Rigger" Vick by "Jon Ares" 33. Re: floors/gloves by "Brian Munroe" 34. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by Simon Shuker 35. Re: Lighting question by "Joe Saint" 36. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by Ford Sellers 37. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by June Abernathy 38. Re: Hullo? by June Abernathy 39. Text Books by "Joel Harari" 40. Re: floors/gloves by "Bill Nelson" 41. disabled by Judy 42. Re: Gloves in shops by "Josh Ratty" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c6d2e6$60478a10$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: You know, I almost prefaced my remarks by saying: "I don't want to go all Frank Woods on you, but. . . " I have been asked to do this effect numerous times by numerous directors. They always "have a concept in mind," namely, to show a person watching TV. But going back to Delbert's original post: "the director wants a REALISTIC light from the TV to play off the actor and the set" (emphasis mine). My point is that a realistic light from a TV in a setting with ambient light is NO light at all. Now back to the Tent. Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick Goldman Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:10 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lighting question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Joe don't you have a tent to be in? I'm nitpicking here, but obviously the director has some concept in mind. He/she wouldn't ask for the effect otherwise. You're being Woodish. :) I'm sure you're right about TV's not casting enuf ambient light to beat out environmental lighting. _H On 9/7/06 8:55 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Herrick (echoed by Ken) has had the best comment: > Sit in your TV room and watch someone flip channels. > > The only thing is Herrick suggested doing it with the lights OFF. Will the > lights be OFF in your production? Because if they aren't, then sit in your > living room with the lights ON and see what happens. > > I'll start you with hint: NOTHING HAPPENS! > > The light emitted by a TV in a room with any normal room lighting is > inconsequential. > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ken Romaine > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:53 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Lighting question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Delbert: > > Many moons ago, I did the same effect for a Shel Silverstein one act. > In my case there was a TV, facing away from the audience, towards the > actor. We put 1 or 2 3" fresnels in the box, with barn doors IIRC, > and gelled them something like Lee 201 - for the higher color > temperature needed. All I did as board op was to set a level and bump > to it. Set another level and bump to that. Kinda random, on my own > time, every so-many seconds (no cue, other than TV on, TV off). The > levels were whatever looked good (IIRC 30%-70% or so). You could > probably write an effect with a bunch of steps (ot avoid noticable > repitition) to do this. I had a 2-scene preset board. > > That said - Herrick's idea about real-life research is a great place > to start. It contributed to our solution, as outlined above. > > My first thought is that RGB is not necessary here, but that's just my > opinion, I could be wrong. (D. Miller) Experimentation is a good, > and can be fun. > > Hope this helps. Let us know what you end up doing. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:52:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting question From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well yes but she didn't specify the other surrounding light did she? Have you mentioned to DK that 99% of her end users will see her fabrics in natural light and not runway light? Hmm.... Oh nevermind...enjoy the fashionistas. :) -H On 9/7/06 9:30 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > "the director wants a REALISTIC > light from the TV to play off the actor and the set" (emphasis mine). > > My point is that a realistic light from a TV in a setting with ambient light > is NO light at all. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500CBB9.8070106 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:47:37 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Lighting question References: In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an > interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to > flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on > the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from > the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) > anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought > of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing > to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells > (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the > Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some > of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think > would be better. I did a fireplace effect using only one gelled PAR30 last year. To get the flickering effect I setup a single channel chase with each step just being a different level but limited from about 30-60% IIRC. Looked great. Several people thought we had a real fireplace there. (it was viewed from the side) I'm sure a similar flicker effect would work well for a TV. Maybe with a pale blue colour? David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 Our Web Site: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c6d2e9$2f31e5d0$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: But fashionistas, like Blanche DuBois, don't want realism, they want magic! Beauty! Glamor! Cash! Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Herrick Goldman Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lighting question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Well yes but she didn't specify the other surrounding light did she? Have you mentioned to DK that 99% of her end users will see her fabrics in natural light and not runway light? Hmm.... Oh nevermind...enjoy the fashionistas. :) -H On 9/7/06 9:30 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > "the director wants a REALISTIC > light from the TV to play off the actor and the set" (emphasis mine). > > My point is that a realistic light from a TV in a setting with ambient light > is NO light at all. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:51:02 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 9:30 PM -0400 9/7/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: >> Dave Vick >> rigger [at] tds.net >> >> "Americans like to talk about (or be told about) >> Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find >> it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead >> for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. >> We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a- >> government, let it push us around, and then wonder >> how all those assholes got in there." >> >> --Frank Zappa > > Dude we're a Republic! Hey, I didn't write it; Frank did. AFAIK, the USA is a federation. Strictly speaking, it is neither a federal republic, a confederation, a union, nor a democratic republic, although it embodies aspects of all of those and more. This does not preclude aspects of democracy, which include our liberal democratic political system, hence the title Democracy. Republic and Democracy are not mutually exclusive terms, y'see; one describes politics and the other describes government. "Politics" is what you did in the back seat of dad's station wagon the night of your high school senior year Homecoming with a bottle of Boone's Farm and a willing cheerleader. "Government" is what happened nine months later, at St. Theresa's Home for Unwed Legislators. See the difference? (this is why i normally don't talk politics) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "They say travel broadens the mind... So I went over the falls in a barrel." --Thomas Dolby, "I Live In A Suitcase" ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:54:45 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo? At 9:32 PM -0400 9/7/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: > Dave please excuse Frank he's only in the infancy > of his Gangsta evolution yo! Say, *there's* a possible Photoshop job in the making... Isn't Uncle Bill's old PLASA photo of Frank still lurking somewhere on the list website? ("Hmmm. Now which key command invokes the Bling-'N'-Grillz Filter?") No good can come of this... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Not only do I not know what's going on; I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2dc.cce16ee.323228a4 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:00:04 EDT Subject: Re: Herrick's Test rigger [at] tds.net writes: << "Politics" is what you did in the back seat of dad's station wagon the night of your high school senior year Homecoming with a bottle of Boone's Farm and a willing cheerleader. " >> Now Dave... you know I've never dated a cheerleader. ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:14:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting question From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Zactly! He says as he's on his 17th hour of a corporate gig at a REE-dick-U-Lus day rate. -H On 9/7/06 9:50 PM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > But fashionistas, like Blanche DuBois, don't want realism, they want magic! > Beauty! Glamor! > > Cash! > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:09:31 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References: > Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into > fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= > > Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. Way cool and I bet WAYYYYYYY expensive too, but still way cool. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:17:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Can we give him spinning rims? \ On 9/7/06 9:54 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 9:32 PM -0400 9/7/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: > >> Dave please excuse Frank he's only in the infancy >> of his Gangsta evolution yo! > > > Say, *there's* a possible Photoshop job in the making... Isn't Uncle > Bill's old PLASA photo of Frank still lurking somewhere on the list > website? > > ("Hmmm. Now which key command invokes the Bling-'N'-Grillz Filter?") > > No good can come of this... -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:17:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Would you consider it? I've got a webcam. Ok it's been a long day. On 9/7/06 10:00 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > > Now Dave... you know I've never dated a cheerleader. ;) > > Kristi > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780609071916v242880c0m27dd7a1c17c5d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:16:11 -0400 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues In-Reply-To: References:

> I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate to follow the lighting > console's cuelist, I guess using midi to trigger a sequence of snapshots. > How would I go about this? What set-up is needed? What mixers could you > recommend that could do this? I haven't actually tried it myself, but I know our Soundcraft Series TWO can do this. It's mutes only though, not motorized faders (so you still need an op paying attention) Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <472.605a81a.32323222 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:40:34 EDT Subject: Re: Herrick's Test You a cheerleader? Can you do the splits? Hmmm... that might be worth the price of a bottle of Boone's Farm... though I took you more for the "Mogen David or better" taste in wine kind-of-guy. Then again, I'm married and IIRC you are too. Perhaps this isn't a good idea. And I don't have a web cam, nor an online photo. Kristi Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com writes: << Would you consider it? I've got a webcam. Ok it's been a long day. On 9/7/06 10:00 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > > Now Dave... you know I've never dated a cheerleader. ;) > > Kristi >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:47:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Frederick Frank Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Chris Wych wrote: > I always wondered why my hands where so sunburned and red. I'm just > kidding. The university does supply welding gloves. That rememinds > me that I should buy a pair of welding gloves for my personal use. > This summer the company I worked for Had a really nice pair, they > where still leather but where really soft. Yeah, they're great. Helped me char much meat this summer... rick -- ---------------------- freelance technician (entertainment industry) boston, ma frederick [at] frederickfrank.com www.frederickfrank.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:47:44 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 10:00 PM -0400 9/7/06, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: ><< "Politics" is what you did in the back seat of dad's station wagon the >night of your high school senior year Homecoming with a bottle of Boone's Farm >and a willing cheerleader. " >> > > >Now Dave... you know I've never dated a cheerleader. ;) Sorry; your loss. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net The reason they call it "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe in it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007901c6d2f1$e117ea30$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: poys and keyyles Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:52:51 -0700 > At 7:01 PM -0400 9/7/06, frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > >> Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. >> >> And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed >> with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. > By all means, consult hin. Check with hin regularly. Keep a close eye on hin. Because spelling counts! Particularly when you are criticizing someone else's. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:50:33 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 10:40 PM -0400 9/7/06, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: >You a cheerleader? Can you do the splits? > >Hmmm... that might be worth the price of a bottle of Boone's Farm... though >I took you more for the "Mogen David or better" taste in wine kind-of-guy. > >Then again, I'm married and IIRC you are too. Perhaps this isn't a good >idea. > >And I don't have a web cam, nor an online photo. I have a very nice digital camera, a motorcycle, and the cost of a trip across Lake Michigan on either of the ferry boats... When can you be here, Herrick? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907194216.00c615e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:42:16 From: CB Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: color blind cue lights >But how does that help you against a CK patent? Plausible deniability... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:05:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: poys and keyyles At 7:52 PM -0700 9/7/06, Don Taco wrote: >>> And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed >>> with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. >> > > By all means, consult hin. Check with hin regularly. Keep a close > eye on hin. Because spelling counts! > Particularly when you are criticizing someone else's. Now that's *funny!* -- "I WANT MY GAY APOCALYPSE!!" -Airyn Darling ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907195821.00c615e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:58:21 From: CB Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues >Some synchronization between donner and blitzen is often appropriate. True, but I've switched reel-to-reel decks hot in the middle of a dance number night after night for a 'Dancing at Lughnasa' and never had a complaint about timing. And they were pro's that woulda known. I think I can keep up with the lighting guy, especially seeing as the donner is expected to be a tad shy... If your sound guy can't keep up, eat the body and get a new one. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907200145.00c615e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:01:45 From: CB Subject: Re: floors/gloves >>> and don't let anyone cut aircraft cable with the bandsaw, either. . . >> That is what cold chisels are for. >Yow! And here I wasted all that money on a pair of C7s... "very tool in the bag is a hammer, except your finest, sharpest chisel. That is preserved to open paint cans." This Carp I Know Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060907200828.00c615e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:08:28 From: CB Subject: Re: Lighting question >Cheaper than a scroller is just two+ of virtually any instrument. Do >as the others have said (Gel em' blue, build a chase [High=80%, >Low=30%, ins and outs of 0, dwell whatever, random order]) and let it run!! I got a TV you can have for free. Can you just use a TV? I'm jussa skweek, but I'm a bit lost as to why, if you can use a lighting intrument there, doncha just use a TV? Someone edjumakate me wouldja? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "kosteral [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 03:27:54 GMT Cc: delbert.hall [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Lighting question Message-Id: <20060907.202852.14851.752644 [at] webmail57.nyc.untd.com> Delbert-- I had to do a similar effect last spring--kid "sitting in the dark watching TV", in a very intimate space (about 40 audience total, the closest less than 3 feet away from the actors) so not a lot of room for "whiz-bang" equipment. After doing my research (TV on in dark room, me watching from the side to see the light cast), my solution was two 3" Fresnels mounted 3 feet from the actor, one with N/C (no gel), one with a medium-dark blue (I tried 3-4 different blues to find the one I liked best). Initially I wrote a handful of cues into subs for the board op to randomly jump between, but in the end we went with something even more basic: the "white" Fresnel in one sub and the "blue" Fresnel in another sub, and the board op just randomly moving the sliders up and down every 5-10 seconds. It was a fairly long scene (~10 minutes), and looked more 'realistic' doing it live....plus it gave the bored board op something to do! The director loved it, the playwright loooooved it (it was the premiere of a new play), and I thought it looked pretty kill= er. Allison Koster LD/ATD Carleton College Northfield, MN Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 15:49:36 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Lighting question Herrick and others, I got roped into designing the lighting for a show that needs an interesting effect. A character sits on a bed and uses the remote to flip through the channels on a TV. The thing is that there no TV on the set, it is mimed, but the director wants a realistic light from the TV to play off the actor and the set (acting cubes and such) anyway. The imaginary TV is on SR, near the SR wing. I had thought of a couple of options: 1) put a VCR and video projector in the wing to create the light from a TV, or 2) use three PARS or Parnells (gelled RBG) on a boom and write an interesting effects cue on the Express and run it during this scene. I would like to hear what some of you think about these ideas, and suggest others that you think would be better. -Delbert -- = Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:32:37 -0400 Subject: Re: poys and keyyles From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well, folks. That was fun. But I gotta turn in now. It's market week in NYC and we're just a tad busy. Rigger, welcome back. It's great to 'see' you again. Herrick, thanks for a laugh that was sorely needed. I couldn't respond to it for reasons best left unsaid, but it sure got me going. Frank, thank you for being you. I know what we'd do without you but it wouldn't be nearly as much fun. Revel in the days, folks. They don't get much better than this. 'sides, these are the days that we've got. Be well Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:43:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Frederick Frank Subject: Re: poys and keyyles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Revel in the days, folks. They don't get much better than this. 'sides, > these are the days that we've got. Amen. & good night. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: poys and keyyles Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: <5CF1C3D95785A143A3E33ACFD864609B06FDD40B [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" =20 <<>> I know a person who was convicted of stealing some money from a friend's parent's house. He was tried and found guilty and this is the official sentence as issued by the court (I cut and pasted it from the circuit court online access) "Attend and complete the victim impact panel; write a letter of apology to victim and public, publishing it in the Star News, with proper spelling, good Englis and good grammar" I love proper use of the "Englis" language! -Ryan J. Zirngibl Scenic Designer zirngirj [at] uwec.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007b01c6d2fb$01e97860$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Moving Heads : MAC 500'S MAC 600'S Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:58:13 -0700 > Hey now - them's fightin' words! Herrick, I assume you're referring to > the new Strand "Palette" line - which does look a little toy-like (unlike > my 520i, whose ruggedly distinctive blue case just screams "all > business..." - *sigh*) ...Although the 300 and 500 lines have reached (their premature?) End-of-life, not to be made again status. (Or so I've heard, from Strand/Genital.. - I mean, Genlyte - folk) But the new Light Palette stuff does remind me of the late model MacBooks - as I call the "BarbieBooks" or "My First iBook." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:58:13 -0400 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Gloves in shops In-Reply-To: References:

> > I always wondered why my hands where so sunburned and red. I'm just > > kidding. The university does supply welding gloves. That rememinds > > me that I should buy a pair of welding gloves for my personal use. > > This summer the company I worked for Had a really nice pair, they > > where still leather but where really soft. > > > Yeah, they're great. Helped me char much meat this summer... I also highly recommend MIG welding gloves and jackets for any lister who has grumpy longhaired cats that require grooming. I lost the skin on my left arm once to my oldest cat, and that was enough. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500EBF5.9070900 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:05:09 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. References: In-Reply-To: as youtube is blocked in my part of the world has anyone got any other links please Dale farmer wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into > fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= > > Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. > > --Dale > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060908000531.032d4d70 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:06:44 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References: This has been out for years: http://www.luminex.it/pagine/samples.html -Ford At 09:02 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into >fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= > >Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. > > --Dale ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <914532060609072117r705ad843s6b6cd3cd27d98c26 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:17:06 -0400 From: "Eric Lin" Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References:

dont jump the gun on that one, the philips technology looks incredibly different from luminex with moving/color changing images on fabric, instead of just "lit" clothes On 9/8/06, Ford Sellers wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This has been out for years: > http://www.luminex.it/pagine/samples.html > > -Ford > > At 09:02 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >--------------------------------------------------- > > > >Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into > >fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= > > > >Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. > > > > --Dale > > ************************ > Ford H Sellers > Master Electrician > Cornell University > Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts > 430 College Avenue > Ithaca NY, 14850 > (607) 254-2736 office > (607) 254-2733 fax > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00ef01c6d2fd$d1af4000$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: The return of "Rigger" Vick Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:18:21 -0700 WOW.... that's all I have to say... coming home to well over 100 new Stagecraft posts - whereas the last several weeks (mostly due to summer vacations) has recorded upwards of 12 posts a day.... The majority of posts have been to/from/about/in response to/ Rigger's return and his (welcomed) curmudgeony. (I really am glad to see you back, Dave. CB's been trying to carry the weight solo, and we all know how long-winded his posts can be. We welcome more of your 10 word-or-less protestations.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:27:19 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: floors/gloves In-Reply-To: References: > "very tool in the bag is a hammer, except your finest, sharpest chisel. > That is preserved to open paint cans." A hammer is not every tool, but every tool is a hammer. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4500F188.7080103 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:28:56 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. References:

In-Reply-To: Yes but luminex is fibreoptics, whereas Dale talks about LED. Are they one and the same in this case? Ford Sellers wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This has been out for years: > http://www.luminex.it/pagine/samples.html > > -Ford > > At 09:02 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into >> fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= >> >> Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. >> >> --Dale > > ************************ > Ford H Sellers > Master Electrician > Cornell University > Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts > 430 College Avenue > Ithaca NY, 14850 > (607) 254-2736 office > (607) 254-2733 fax > > > ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Lighting question Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:29:46 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c6d2ff$6a274610$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: Some 'skweek' wrote: > "I got a TV you can have for free. Can you just use a TV? I'm jussa > skweek, but I'm a bit lost as to why, if you can use a lighting intrument > there, doncha just use a TV?" The answer proves my point: a TV simply doesn't put out any light. I just took a lightmeter to my 32" color TV (traditional tube, not LCD or plasma). Sitting about 6' away, a comfortable viewing distance, the TV put out between 0.3 and 0.5 footcandles. Not much light. Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060908015920.03124208 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:01:25 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References:

I didn't say they were the same, I meant to say that there have been "Lit" fabrics for use by said Costume Designers for years. Wether they use LEDs, fiberoptics, or whatever. -Fro At 12:28 AM 9/8/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Yes but luminex is fibreoptics, whereas Dale talks about LED. Are >they one and the same in this case? > >Ford Sellers wrote: >>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >>This has been out for years: >>http://www.luminex.it/pagine/samples.html >> >>-Ford >> >>At 09:02 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: >>>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>>--------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Those clever folks at Phillps have invented LED arrays woven into >>>fabric. Can be used in clothing and furniture. >>> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk&eurl= >>> >>>Way cool. Wonder how much it costs per square inch. >>> >>> --Dale >> >>************************ >>Ford H Sellers >>Master Electrician >>Cornell University >>Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts >>430 College Avenue >>Ithaca NY, 14850 >>(607) 254-2736 office >>(607) 254-2733 fax >> >> ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060908062257.52040.qmail [at] web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues Someone wrote: >>I'm looking for a sound console that I can automate >>to follow the lighting console's cuelist C.B. replied: >Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, >but the best way to getsound to do what you want it >to do is to put a soundguy behind the console. >Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and >taking your whole life or your whole budget to >actually work, at worst. >Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not >trying to make art,what is it that you are trying to >do? What are they trying to do? Save money, of course. How? The usual administrative way - by eliminating that which they cannot see or that element which they understand least well. Won't spending a kabillion dollars to automate sound actually COST them more money than just hiring a damn sound guy? Probably. Will that matter to the powers that be who came up with this? No, not at all. Of course, I could be totally wrong here. This could be someone stuck in one of those horrible situations where one guy is expected to be all things to all people at all times, and he is trying to figure out how to do two jobs at one time. Somehow, telling the powers that be in these situations that what they want involves two separate jobs and therefore two separate people never seems to fly. My recommendation? Don't find a way to make this work, or you will be stuck with both jobs forever. Then you will burn out and leave, and the new guy will say he doesn't know HOW to do both jobs, and somehow, another guy will be found for the second job, and you will be bitter about killing yourself for years. Avoid that. Say no, or feign incompetence now. My .02, FWIW - June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060908062721.48765.qmail [at] web34513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Hullo? Oh sure. After 8 years on the road, I FINALLY come to the Wharton Center with a show, and what do I find? No Dave Vick, that's what. He's off galivanting. But not six months after I leave, he returns. Sure . . . Welcome back to the list sir! You've been missed. (BTW - Herrick, you weren't, by any chance, referring to any of us as "techies", were you? Perhaps you were referring to some High School kids lurking on the list? Hate that term. Grrrrr....) June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Joel Harari" Subject: Text Books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 00:47:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c6d31b$119edf00$6401a8c0 [at] Tigger> In-Reply-To: I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? Joel Harari Western High School ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1120.205.215.254.201.1157702638.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: floors/gloves From: "Bill Nelson" >> "very tool in the bag is a hammer, except your finest, sharpest chisel. >> That is preserved to open paint cans." Shouldn't that read "Every tool is a hammer, except the chisels. They are screwdrivers."? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4501370D.6060905 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 11:25:33 +0200 From: Judy Subject: disabled > > >This may leave them without the ability to participate in some activities, >and its usually the able-bodied with too much time on their hands that >suggests that we *must* have a rail that can be operated by quadreplegics >and multiple amputees. > Pardon me for stating the obvious, but something about this annoyed me, so: I would like to point out that it is not (only?) the able-bodied who lobby for facilities for the disabled; I personally know disabled people (and their spouses) who do this, and meanwhile suffer because they can't get up onto busses, etc. I know the writer was talking about working backstage and not busses or public facilites, and I am probably oversensitive because I've seen the problem at first hand, and the tendency of those who can to dismiss those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 05:48:28 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: Gloves in shops In-reply-to: Reply-to: Message-id: <011001c6d32b$f04cfe70$0201000a [at] Rattys> Someone in our shop usually dresses up in leathers to bring one of our cats to the vet, well except for that first time... -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 10:58 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Gloves in shops For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > I always wondered why my hands where so sunburned and red. I'm just > > kidding. The university does supply welding gloves. That rememinds > > me that I should buy a pair of welding gloves for my personal use. > > This summer the company I worked for Had a really nice pair, they > > where still leather but where really soft. > > > Yeah, they're great. Helped me char much meat this summer... I also highly recommend MIG welding gloves and jackets for any lister who has grumpy longhaired cats that require grooming. I lost the skin on my left arm once to my oldest cat, and that was enough. ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #942 *****************************