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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34622502; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:02:10 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, DRUGS_ERECTILE,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_FRAUD_10,SARE_FRAUD_2, TW_YY autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #943 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:01:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #943 1. auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 by James.G.Antrim [at] williams.edu 2. Re: Lighting question by Charlie Fraser 3. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 4. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 5. Re: poys and keyyles by Herrick Goldman 6. RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by Dorian Kelly 7. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Nigel Worsley" 8. Re: Hullo? by Herrick Goldman 9. Re: Lighting question by "Brian Munroe" 10. Re: Lighting question by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 11. Re: Lighting question by "Delbert Hall" 12. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Delbert Hall" 13. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Sean Evans" 14. Re: Lighting question by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by David Duffy 16. Re: Lighting question by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 17. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 18. Re: Hullo? by Rigger 19. Re: The return of "Rigger" Vick by Rigger 20. Re: Text Books by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 21. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 22. Re: Gloves in shops by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 23. Re: Text Books by "Steven Haworth" 24. RE Text Books by "Rock, Michael Edward" 25. Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 26. Re: Text books by "Steven Haworth" 27. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by Stephen Litterst 28. Re: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 by Stephen Litterst 29. Looking for Crown 311 mics by Michael Heinicke 30. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers... other links by "Paul Guncheon" 31. Re: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 by Rigger 32. Re: Text Books by Rigger 33. Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by Clive Mitchell 34. Re: Herrick's Test by Clive Mitchell 35. Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 36. Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 37. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by "Michael Finney" 38. Re: Herrick's Test by "Michael Finney" 39. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 40. Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration by Rigger 41. Re: Herrick's Test by Herrick Goldman 42. Re: Text Books by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 43. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by Rigger 44. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Text Books by "Richard Wolpert" 45. Text books by "Travis" 46. hullo? by b Ricie 47. Structural design question by Michael Heinicke 48. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 49. Re: Herrick's Test by Mick Alderson 50. Re: Herrick's Test by Rigger 51. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by Ford Sellers 52. disabled by CB 53. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by "Bill Nelson" 54. Re: sound mixer to follow cues by "Bill Nelson" 55. Re: disabled by Rigger 56. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by Dale farmer 57. Re: disabled by "Jon Ares" 58. Re: disabled by MissWisc [at] aol.com 59. Re: Herrick's Test by MissWisc [at] aol.com 60. Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: James.G.Antrim [at] williams.edu Subject: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 Message-id: <0J5901R03QIRQU [at] williams.edu> Please forward all e-mail to: jantrim [at] gmu.edu Thank you. Jim Antrim James G. Antrim,PM College of Visual and Performing Arts Center for the Arts George Mason University 4400 University Dr Fairfax,VA 22030-4444 703.993.2196 o 413.717.1677 c jantrim [at] gmu.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45014F30.9020103 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:08:32 -0400 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Lighting question References: In-Reply-To: This may sound very low tech, but what I would do for the TV effect is use one of those electric fireplace logs that produce a low flicker, I would have it off in the wings and gel it with one or two colors to get the right effect. But the effect should be subtle. Charlie Joe Saint wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Some 'skweek' wrote: > >> "I got a TV you can have for free. Can you just use a TV? I'm jussa >> skweek, but I'm a bit lost as to why, if you can use a lighting intrument >> there, doncha just use a TV?" >> > > The answer proves my point: a TV simply doesn't put out any light. I just > took a lightmeter to my 32" color TV (traditional tube, not LCD or plasma). > Sitting about 6' away, a comfortable viewing distance, the TV put out > between 0.3 and 0.5 footcandles. Not much light. > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:46:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh Kristi, I just figured I'd provide you with a cheerleader and set up the webcam. I'd be rich beyond the dreams of avarice. :) On 9/7/06 10:40 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > You a cheerleader? Can you do the splits? > > Hmmm... that might be worth the price of a bottle of Boone's Farm... though > I took you more for the "Mogen David or better" taste in wine kind-of-guy. > > Then again, I'm married and IIRC you are too. Perhaps this isn't a good > idea. > > And I don't have a web cam, nor an online photo. > > Kristi > > > Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com writes: > << Would you consider it? I've got a webcam. > > Ok it's been a long day. > > On 9/7/06 10:00 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > > >> >> Now Dave... you know I've never dated a cheerleader. ;) >> >> Kristi >> > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:47:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For you Dave? I'm on my way. I even shaved this morning. On 9/7/06 10:50 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 10:40 PM -0400 9/7/06, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > >> You a cheerleader? Can you do the splits? >> >> Hmmm... that might be worth the price of a bottle of Boone's Farm... though >> I took you more for the "Mogen David or better" taste in wine kind-of-guy. >> >> Then again, I'm married and IIRC you are too. Perhaps this isn't a good >> idea. >> >> And I don't have a web cam, nor an online photo. > > > I have a very nice digital camera, a motorcycle, and the cost of a > trip across Lake Michigan on either of the ferry boats... > > When can you be here, Herrick? -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:47:59 -0400 Subject: Re: poys and keyyles From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thank you DON! On 9/7/06 10:52 PM, "Don Taco" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> At 7:01 PM -0400 9/7/06, frankwood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >> >>> Down the Hall CB will test your spelling and proof-reading skillz. >>> >>> And you should consult hin on your spelling. Plurals are formed >>> with an 's', rather than with a 'z'. >> > > By all means, consult hin. Check with hin regularly. Keep a close eye on > hin. > Because spelling counts! > > Particularly when you are criticizing someone else's. > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:43:09 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration >make room for them in theatres and studios once they've earned the right. > >Of course we wouldn't have this situation if mercy killings hadn't >been made illegal. There should be a tick list at maternity >hospitals, and if a baby doesn't come up to scratch it should be >dropped in a mincer and turned into sausages. > >It makes me so mad I could SCREAM!!!! > >-- >Militant Max. > >CADS (Campaign Against "Disabled" Scroungers.) Dear old Clive - or Militant Max as he decided to style himself for the occasion - what a treasure. so talented, a fount of stories, tech knowhow, and I daresy if I met him at PLASA, I would be delighted to buy him a drink and swop stories of technical wizrdry and disasters with much glee and laughter. BUT At the risk of being branded a humourless and politically correct person, I must say that there is a point at which we have to draw a line and its been overstepped. A joke is a joke, and I do understand that it might well have been intended as such, but in the UK jokes of this kind are rightly considered a police- reportable hate crime. There is no doubt that is some parts of the world this sort of thing does go on, and I find this so offensive personally that my talented and funny disabled friends might have been even in joke considered for eugenic control in this way if they hadn't had the unbelievable luck to be born into a tolerant and largely caring society. As for earning the right to work, I could name lots of able bodied people people over my 40 years in the business who I suspect might have been better off elsewhere, but training is what they needed and training is what they got from me, not to become the butt of cheap jokes and disparagement. Dorian Kelly Illuminati Creative Arts 3 Gladstone Road Colchester CO12EB U.K ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01d101c6d33c$def4ee10$0e00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References:

Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:49:36 +0100 "Simon Shuker" wrote: > as youtube is blocked in my part of the world has anyone got any other > links please http://www.research.philips.com/newscenter/archive/2006/060901-lumalive.html Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 08:12:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Hullo? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh no, June I leave you out when I use global terms of endearment like that. :) On 9/8/06 2:27 AM, "June Abernathy" wrote: > > (BTW - Herrick, you weren't, by any chance, referring > to any of us as "techies", were you? Perhaps you were > referring to some High School kids lurking on the > list? Hate that term. Grrrrr....) > > > > June Abernathy > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) > FOH Electrician > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:23:10 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References: > I got a TV you can have for free. Can you just use a TV? I'm jussa > skweek, but I'm a bit lost as to why, if you can use a lighting intrument > there, doncha just use a TV? > Someone edjumakate me wouldja? Because they don't want the light from a tv. They want what the audience will think is the light from a tv. Have you ever done shows/benefits/dinners/etc that take place "backstage"? You need to dress the real backstage to look like what someone else thinks is backstage. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <18962923.1157718865335.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:34:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: Lighting question It's true. This is why we do things like paint wood to look like wood. "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- > >Have you ever done shows/benefits/dinners/etc that take place >"backstage"? You need to dress the real backstage to look like what >someone else thinks is backstage. > >Brian Munroe >bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:35:23 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Lighting question In-Reply-To: References:

Exactly! -Delbert On 9/8/06, Brian Munroe wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I got a TV you can have for free. Can you just use a TV? I'm jussa > > skweek, but I'm a bit lost as to why, if you can use a lighting intrument > > there, doncha just use a TV? > > Someone edjumakate me wouldja? > > Because they don't want the light from a tv. They want what the > audience will think is the light from a tv. > > Have you ever done shows/benefits/dinners/etc that take place > "backstage"? You need to dress the real backstage to look like what > someone else thinks is backstage. > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:40:39 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References: I want to know what the controller looks like and how do you program it? And will Herrick become the world's first sofa programmer? -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <35e1805a0609080554g7c0f875cpecb07e07e818a578 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:54:22 -0500 From: "Sean Evans" Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. In-Reply-To: References:

I'm more worried about scenic designers getting ideas for this than costume designers. How about an entire cyc? On 9/8/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I want to know what the controller looks like and how do you program it? > > And will Herrick become the world's first sofa programmer? > > -Delbert > -- > Delbert L. Hall > 423-773-4255 > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003701c6d346$23fecb30$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) References: Subject: Re: Lighting question Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:56:03 -0700 > > It's true. This is why we do things like paint wood to look like wood. > ..Or cover wood with styro, then foam-coat, then paint it to look like wood. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45016989.10605 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:00:57 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration References: In-Reply-To: Dorian Kelly wrote: > Dear old Clive - or Militant Max as he decided to style himself for > the occasion - what a treasure. so talented, a fount of stories, tech > knowhow, and I daresy if I met him at PLASA, I would be delighted to > buy him a drink and swop stories of technical wizrdry and disasters > with much glee and laughter. > > BUT > > At the risk of being branded a humourless and politically correct > person, I must say that there is a point at which we have to draw a > line and its been overstepped. A joke is a joke, and I do understand > that it might well have been intended as such, but in the UK jokes of > this kind are rightly considered a police- reportable hate crime. > There is no doubt that is some parts of the world this sort of thing > does go on, and I find this so offensive personally that my talented > and funny disabled friends might have been even in joke considered for > eugenic control in this way if they hadn't had the unbelievable luck > to be born into a tolerant and largely caring society. Looks like the USA is definitely off your emigration list now Clive! :-) Now go and hide your white robe and hood. Bad, bad, boy. David... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:41:24 GMT Subject: Re: Lighting question Message-Id: <20060908.064140.833.408033 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> That is also why we play back pseudo gunshots that do not accurately = reproduce the sound of the real thing when it comes to attack, decay, = and/or ricochet; we use sound effects that are tailored to sound like = what the audience had been spoon-fed to accept as a gunshots when = optical soundtracks of films had a frequency range that were severely = attenuated above 5kHz and had little, if any, subsonic content. /s/ Richard > Because they don't want the light from a tv. They want what the > audience will think is the light from a tv. > Have you ever done shows/benefits/dinners/etc that take place > "backstage"? You need to dress the real backstage to look like what > someone else thinks is backstage. > Brian Munroe ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:40:01 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 7:47 AM -0400 9/8/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: >>> You a cheerleader? Can you do the splits? >>> Hmmm... that might be worth the price of a bottle of Boone's Farm... though >>> I took you more for the "Mogen David or better" taste in wine kind-of-guy. >>> Then again, I'm married and IIRC you are too. Perhaps this isn't a good >>> idea. >>> And I don't have a web cam, nor an online photo. >> >> I have a very nice digital camera, a motorcycle, and the cost of a >> trip across Lake Michigan on either of the ferry boats... >> When can you be here, Herrick? > > For you Dave? Not for me, for Kristi. >I'm on my way. I even shaved this morning. What a trooper... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Jumping is easy and falling is fun... Right up 'til you hit the sidewalk, shivering and stunned" --Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:44:13 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Hullo? At 11:27 PM -0700 9/7/06, June Abernathy wrote: >Oh sure. After 8 years on the road, I FINALLY come to >the Wharton Center with a show, and what do I find? No >Dave Vick, that's what. He's off galivanting. But not >six months after I leave, he returns. Sure . . . Shouldda got here sooner, June. Now you have an excuse to come back. (OBTW, is Tony Ward on your show or is he in one of the other companies? If he's with Gazelle, tell him I said, "yo!") -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Of course your bike runs cold. It's probably got a stuffy nose and a sore throat, too, poor dear." -- The Horkster ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:49:57 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: The return of "Rigger" Vick At 9:18 PM -0700 9/7/06, Jon Ares wrote: > The majority of posts have been to/from/about/in response to/ > Rigger's return and his (welcomed) curmudgeony. (I really am > glad to see you back, Dave. CB's been trying to carry the > weight solo, and we all know how long-winded his posts can be. Be nice to Chris; I'm sure he's been doing yeoman's service in my absence. Give him another ten years' practice and he'll probably turn out to be an exemplary Grumpie Aulde Farte. > We welcome more of your 10 word-or-less protestations.) Well, I.... *HEY!* -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Martinis are like breasts... one is not enough and three are too many." -- Mike Sachs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:53:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Text Books From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Since you sign with a High School I would suggest you check out William Lord's Stagecraft 1, A Complete Guide to Backstage work. I used it quite successfully with a class for non theatre majors. Skip the workbook though it is not very helpful as designed. For a college level class though I use Gillette's Theatrical Design & Production. Merel Ray-Pfeifer TD Cent. Mich. Univ Mt Pleasant, MI On 9/8/06 3:47 AM, "Joel Harari" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? > > Joel Harari > Western High School > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:04:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: HEY! I have the honor of knowing 2 Miss Wisconsins. The one I've actually met is gorgeous so... I can only assume. On 9/8/06 9:40 AM, "Rigger" wrote: > >> I'm on my way. I even shaved this morning. > > What a trooper... > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:55:13 GMT Subject: Re: Gloves in shops Message-Id: <20060908.065521.833.408125 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Studies have shown that the recruitment and retention of a well- trained Theatre Cat enhances the quality of life for backstage = personnel, particularly in those institutions that have stored = scenery and/or cables that rodents appear to enjoy chewing upon. /s/ Richard Someone in our shop usually dresses up in leathers to bring one of our cats to the vet, well except for that first time... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Text Books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA6DE [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" I've got some listed on my website; depends what you're looking for. =20 Gillette's DESIGNING WITH LIGHT is probably my favorite for design topics. Parker/Wolf's SCENE DESIGN AND STAGE LIGHTING is a good text w/a lot of general topics but still very good design discussions. Reid's STAGE LIGHTING HANDBOOK seems to be more basic (I don't remember details of it now), and I think somewhat British-based. Finally, Cunningham's STAGE LIGHTING REVEALED is a great first-timers book, a little design and a lot of basics are covered; that might be great for HS text. So - some ideas there. All are linked from my website, plus a bunch more, if that's helpful to you. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info >I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? > >Joel Harari >Western High School ------------------------------ Subject: RE Text Books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2121C6A125DFE64FAC02D41B52C3391602585FDA [at] MSC.uwgb.edu> From: "Rock, Michael Edward" For my college stagecraft class we used Parker Wolf and Block's "Scene= Design and Stage Lighting" as well as Monona Rossol's "The Health and= Safety Guide for Film, TV and Theater." This was a college stagecraft= course but the texts were not overly advanced. I would suggest to have= the students that are really interested in stagecraft pick up their own= copy of "The Backstage Handbook" because it has so much useful stuff= and is affordable enough that even if they loose interest they have not= wasted much money, but IMO books are never a waste of money. =20 Mike =20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01c6d351$9ddc25a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > At the risk of being branded a humourless and politically correct > > person, I must say that there is a point at which we have to draw a > > line and its been overstepped. A joke is a joke, and I do > understand > > that it might well have been intended as such I may have misunderstood (no shock, there), but my understanding was that Clive was mocking those who discriminate*, not siding with them. * Of course, mocking such people is redundant. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Text books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA6E0 [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com One more text - Shelly's A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO STAGE LIGHTING. It covers the basics, but the real value is a very detailed method and process for drafting light plots, then tying those to focus methods. I own this book and use it a lot - it changed how I draft & focus, and is really helpful in getting what's onstage to exactly match the focus pts that have been designed on paper. Lots of stuff there for re-hanging a show (dance and opera do this often) too. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450180B7.40102 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:39:51 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I want to know what the controller looks like and how do you program it? > > And will Herrick become the world's first sofa programmer? That's all we need. Another reason for him to lounge around. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45018218.9000007 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:45:44 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 References: In-Reply-To: James.G.Antrim [at] williams.edu wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Please forward all e-mail to: > jantrim [at] gmu.edu > Thank you. > Jim Antrim Well, we can't disappoint the man, can we? Set up your email clients to forward all your email to Jim Antrim. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060908150512.9173.qmail [at] web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Looking for Crown 311 mics Does anyone know of a company that has 4 Crown 311 mics for rent? One of our upcoming shows specs these and our audio guy can't find them anywhere, including Masque Audio. Thanks for any suggestions. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c6d35b$2a2c7880$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers... other links Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:26:31 -1000 <> Google "Lumalive". Laters, Paul "All that's left are the front and back," Tom said decidedly. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:29:06 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: auto-reply: Stagecraft Digest #942 At 10:45 AM -0400 9/8/06, Stephen Litterst wrote: >> Please forward all e-mail to: >> jantrim [at] gmu.edu >> Thank you. >> Jim Antrim > > Well, we can't disappoint the man, can we? Set up > your email clients to forward all your email to Jim Antrim. Not *all* your mail, just the herbal viagra adverts & Nigerian banking scams. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Singing is basically a pleasant, controlled form of screaming. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:32:33 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Text Books At 8:58 AM -0500 9/8/06, Steven Haworth wrote: >>I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? >> >>Joel Harari >>Western High School > >I've got some listed on my website; depends what you're looking for. >Gillette's DESIGNING WITH LIGHT... >Parker/Wolf's SCENE DESIGN AND STAGE LIGHTING... >Reid's STAGE LIGHTING HANDBOOK... >Finally, Cunningham's STAGE LIGHTING REVEALED... Hmm. I sense a theme here... I would second Merel Ray-Pfeifer's endorsement of Lord's "Stagecraft 1," and add "The Backstage Handbook" to the list of must-haves for general reference and education... If you want more specialized fare, in addition to Steve's copious lighting library I would lobby hard for a copy of Jay Glerum's "Stage Rigging Handbook" (2nd edition). -- Dave Vick IATSE #274 Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:46:59 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration References:

In-Reply-To: In message , David Duffy writes >Looks like the USA is definitely off your emigration list now Clive! >:-) Now go and hide your white robe and hood. Bad, bad, boy.David... The USA was never on my list... (It's full of crazy Americans apparently.) Besides I think Dorian is in the UK. I presume he hasn't been exposed to as much destruction of good performance spaces in an attempt to cater for an absolute minority in the name of political correctness. Yes my post was a bit naughty, but then sometimes the PC brigade overstep the mark by a much larger margin than I ever could. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:03:19 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Herrick's Test References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Herrick Goldman writes >For you Dave? > >I'm on my way. I even shaved this morning. I've lost my place here... Is it the cheerleader that has had a shave before heading over to Daves place? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c6d360$c921e240$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I presume he hasn't > been exposed > to as much destruction of good performance spaces in an > attempt to cater > for an absolute minority Clyde, you should have as much faith in yourself as I have in you. I, for example, have the utmost confidence that you can find within yourself the strength and fortitude to withstand the horror of being forced to accommodate the needs of those less fortunate than yourself. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c6d363$743f8220$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Don't show this to the costume designers. Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:25:52 -0600 > I'm more worried about scenic designers getting ideas for this than > costume designers. >How about an entire cyc? Price aside, It would be much less labor intensive than building a star drop. or... no space set aside for rear or front projection for video. or... a complete panorama to whisk by as the stationary car's wheel turn.. (synched to the wheels turning) (more work for a controller builder) It could be a whole new area of expertise. Wall techie (:-) Rob't (yes, that one was for June) (and I just had to override my spell checker to pass the word techie) ----- Original Message ----- > > > On 9/8/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > > I want to know what the controller looks like and how do you program it? > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F46D3 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" In message , Bill Nelson writes <> Throwing fuel on the fire from another direction.... Maybe not a wheelchair-bound ballet dancer, but how about a wheelchair bound ballet *teacher*? Don't laugh too hard - I've seen some absolutely brilliant teachers (and choreographers) who had severely limited mobility during the latter stages of their careers/lives. As far as elevator access to things like catwalks: as was explained to me by a very knowledgeable codes and compliance architect that I questioned about some elevator access to catwalks on a project in Vegas: "while you can require that the worker be physically capable of doing things like lifting 50 pounds, reaching over a railing, etc - you *can't* require that his supervisor or administrator (or teacher) is...and they have to be given access to the workers job areas as well" Sorry - just a little touchy about handicapped access getting bashed. Several friends and one brother-in-law in chairs. Ain't none of them throwing lawsuits, none of them too proud to take a route through the kitchen to get to a restaurant they like, and all of them fiercely independent...but I've spent too many years dealing with stupidly restricted access that was the result of somebody saving some money because they didn't fully think through who might actually be using a facility. Sure there are places where requiring access isn't going to be practical, but a rehearsal room? I'd argue that is a space where it's perfectly reasonable to believe that a person in a chair might have reason to go. Stepping off the soapbox....and sorry if I misrepresented Bill's post.=20 =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Herrick's Test Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:42:23 -0700 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F46D9 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" Kristi posted: =20 <> Herrick replied: =20 <> Herrick - I'm going to tell your assistants you said this! You will never nap comfortably at the console again..... =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 =20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c6d366$4d664230$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Maybe not a wheelchair-bound ballet dancer, but how about a > wheelchair bound ballet *teacher*? Don't laugh too hard - > I've seen some absolutely brilliant teachers (and > choreographers) who had severely limited mobility during the > latter stages of their careers/lives. ...And there are several dance companies whose members have varying degrees of mobility. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:48:35 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: RE colour blind et seq.- a sharp remonstration At 4:46 PM +0100 9/8/06, Clive Mitchell wrote: >> Looks like the USA is definitely off your emigration >> list now Clive! :-) Now go and hide your white robe >> and hood. Bad, bad, boy.David... > > The USA was never on my list... (It's full of crazy > Americans apparently.) You rang? -- -D.Vick rigger [at] tds.net OkAy, WHosE LaMebraIN IdeA wAs iT To pUT The cApS LOck kEY neXT TO thE shIFt KEy? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 13:01:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Herrick's Test From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I never nap comfortably at the console. The buttons leave marks in my forehead. My wife thinks I have a flying pig tattooed on my left eyelid. On 9/8/06 12:42 PM, "Michael Finney" wrote: > > Herrick - I'm going to tell your assistants you said this! You will > never nap comfortably at the console again..... > > > Michael Finney > Thinkwell Design & Production > mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com > www.thinkwelldesign.com > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005d01c6d367$b0c12ce0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Text Books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:56:12 -0600 I sense a theme here, too Nothing against lighting, but usually you have to build something to light. Not knowing the budget, I would suggest a GENERAL stagecraft text versus angling the selection towards any one thing in particular. i.e.Terminology, & Construction, & Lighting, & Sound & Rigging. Lots o' pictures. I will also second this for their personal purchase: >"The Backstage Handbook" to the list of must-haves for > general reference and education... For the Library: Jay's book and Doom's book. Rob't > At 8:58 AM -0500 9/8/06, Steven Haworth wrote: > > >>I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? > >> > >>Joel Harari > >>Western High School > > > >I've got some listed on my website; depends what you're looking for. > >Gillette's DESIGNING WITH LIGHT... > >Parker/Wolf's SCENE DESIGN AND STAGE LIGHTING... > >Reid's STAGE LIGHTING HANDBOOK... > >Finally, Cunningham's STAGE LIGHTING REVEALED... > > > Hmm. I sense a theme here... > > I would second Merel Ray-Pfeifer's endorsement of Lord's "Stagecraft > 1," and add "The Backstage Handbook" to the list of must-haves for > general reference and education... > > If you want more specialized fare, in addition to Steve's copious > lighting library I would lobby hard for a copy of Jay Glerum's "Stage > Rigging Handbook" (2nd edition). > > -- > Dave Vick > IATSE #274 > Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:53:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) At 9:33 AM -0700 9/8/06, Michael Finney wrote: >As far as elevator access to things like catwalks: as was explained to >me by a very knowledgeable codes and compliance architect that I >questioned about some elevator access to catwalks on a project in Vegas: >"while you can require that the worker be physically capable of doing >things like lifting 50 pounds, reaching over a railing, etc - you >*can't* require that his supervisor or administrator (or teacher) >is...and they have to be given access to the workers job areas as well" I would argue that the grid is no place for anyone with physical challenges to be, regardless of title or position. I mean, I understand your point, but there *are* limits... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "I have grown to detest the exact kind of people AOL markets to: the clueless teeming millions who have absolutely no business anywhere near a computer or on the Internet." -- Ray Owen ------------------------------ From: "Richard Wolpert" Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Text Books Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: In-reply-to: Another couple of suggestions: Anybody doing lighting/electric should have a copy of "UGLY'S Electrical References. - Not a text but a must have reference to go with text. UGLY's Electrical References - Available online www.uglys.net $14.95 Classic stagecraft manual - "Stagecraft 1 - A Complete Guide to Backstage Work" by William Lord www.stagecrafter.com Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Idaho Scenic & Rigging Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 12:56 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Text Books For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I sense a theme here, too Nothing against lighting, but usually you have to build something to light. Not knowing the budget, I would suggest a GENERAL stagecraft text versus angling the selection towards any one thing in particular. i.e.Terminology, & Construction, & Lighting, & Sound & Rigging. Lots o' pictures. I will also second this for their personal purchase: >"The Backstage Handbook" to the list of must-haves for > general reference and education... For the Library: Jay's book and Doom's book. Rob't > At 8:58 AM -0500 9/8/06, Steven Haworth wrote: > > >>I'm looking for text book(s) for my stagecraft class, any suggestions? > >> > >>Joel Harari > >>Western High School > > > >I've got some listed on my website; depends what you're looking for. > >Gillette's DESIGNING WITH LIGHT... > >Parker/Wolf's SCENE DESIGN AND STAGE LIGHTING... > >Reid's STAGE LIGHTING HANDBOOK... > >Finally, Cunningham's STAGE LIGHTING REVEALED... > > > Hmm. I sense a theme here... > > I would second Merel Ray-Pfeifer's endorsement of Lord's "Stagecraft > 1," and add "The Backstage Handbook" to the list of must-haves for > general reference and education... > > If you want more specialized fare, in addition to Steve's copious > lighting library I would lobby hard for a copy of Jay Glerum's "Stage > Rigging Handbook" (2nd edition). > > -- > Dave Vick > IATSE #274 > Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Subject: Text books Reply-To: travisinmi [at] excite.com From: "Travis" Message-Id: <20060908175839.3B29E373F0 [at] xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:58:39 -0400 (EDT) When I was teaching a HS Stagecraft course, I used almost all of the previously mentioned books, either as a text or as a reference source. Another great book for beginners is Drew Campbell's Technical Theater for Nontechnical People (Allworth Press). It has introductions to all areas of theater craft, including stage management. It was a great way to introduce concepts, and then tie into hands on demonstrations. Travis _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060908182607.52555.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: hullo? In-Reply-To: ZACTLY! If we are techies, then the rest of them are acties, directies, producies, dancies..... >>(BTW - Herrick, you weren't, by any chance, referring to any of us as "techies", were you? Perhaps you were referring to some High School kids lurking on the list? Hate that term. Grrrrr....)<< Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060908184712.50208.qmail [at] web82213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Structural design question I have a couple of questions for those more experienced in structural design... -How do you calculate the dimensions needed for holes in a rigging plate? As an example, I want to drill a hole in metal bar stock to attach to scenery and rig through. How do I determine how thick the bar stock needs to be and how from the edge of the stock to the edge of the hole? -How does drilling a hole through tube steel for bolts affect it's strength and structure? How should I account for that in calculations? If anyone has recommendations for reference to search rather than giving me the answers, I would be interested in that also. My structural experience is primarily limited to what I have learned from Structural Design for the Stage. Useful, but sometimes I run into stuff that I want to know that it doesn't cover. Thanks all, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:14:59 -0700 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues In-Reply-To: References: > Won't spending a kabillion dollars to automate sound > actually COST them more money than just hiring a damn > sound guy? Probably. Will that matter to the powers > that be who came up with this? No, not at all. > > Of course, I could be totally wrong here. This could > be someone stuck in one of those horrible situations > where one guy is expected to be all things to all > people at all times, and he is trying to figure out > how to do two jobs at one time. Somehow, telling the > powers that be in these situations that what they want > involves two separate jobs and therefore two separate > people never seems to fly. > > My recommendation? Don't find a way to make this work, > or you will be stuck with both jobs forever. Then you > will burn out and leave, and the new guy will say he > doesn't know HOW to do both jobs, and somehow, another > guy will be found for the second job, and you will be > bitter about killing yourself for years. Avoid that. > Say no, or feign incompetence now. > > My .02, FWIW - > June Abernathy > IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) > FOH Electrician > The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) Sounds like you're speaking from experience. Glad to know there are other people stuck in my predicament. How does someone have the nerve to critique my mix while I am being forced to wear a noisy, defective clear-com headset to hear lighting cues that I have to pull while attempting to mix the show? Very, very frustrating. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:17:20 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Herrick's Test Message-id: Dave Vick wrote: > Republic and > Democracy are not mutually exclusive terms, y'see; one describes > politics and the other describes government. Yep. If you check the definition, a Republic is ANY form of government where the leader isn't a monarch. So there are Monarchies and Republics, and that covers everything. After that you can decide if it is a democracy, and autocracy, a theocracy, an oligarchy, or whatever. All those have existed as monarchies, and as republics. Theatre, as far as I can tell, is a dictatorship where everyone involved believes THEY are the dictator! Hi Dave! Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 18:27:49 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Herrick's Test At 5:17 PM -0500 9/8/06, Mick Alderson wrote: > Theatre, as far as I can tell, is a dictatorship where > everyone involved believes THEY are the dictator! Not here; I'm married to a stage manager... I *KNOW* who's in charge, and it ain't me. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell" --Dio, "Magica" ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060908160052.032dd900 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 18:40:20 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues In-Reply-To: References:

Byron, Many lighting desks accept either Midi, Dmx, or SMPTE commands. It may be easier to automate your lighting desk, than Visa-versa. Also if you're using a computer for your Audio mix, you may be able to Automate your FollowSpot Cue calling (as wav files played through the headset). This would require having everything planned out & in place well ahead of time, but it's been done. You'll need to ask yourself the following questions to determine if this is feasible: What sort of productions do I mount? how much Tech time? How long do they typically run? If your answers were: One offs, 4hrs, & 1 week or less...You may want to reconsider even trying this. But with enough Tech Time, you may be able to mount a decent production, as long as the Boards are in the same booth. I hope this helps, -ford ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060908165449.00c46cd0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:54:49 From: CB Subject: disabled >I am probably oversensitive because I've seen the >problem at first hand, and the tendency of those who can to dismiss >those who can't. I'm probably oversensitive a bit myself. My sensitivity (or lack thereof) stems from the fact that large quantities of money are spent by facilities (theatres included) to comply to 'ADA' in certain cases where it is one person who won't accept the assistance of others in overcoming their handicap, nor will they work to solve the problem themselves, but insist that the entire world that they circulate in should cater to their every need, damn the torpedoes and the cost. There are damn few of these, as most (by a large damn margin) of the 'differently abled' I have worked with and spent time socially with, fall into the category of the blind guy that climbed Everest, the double-amputee that took up skiing, the wheelchair bound para that took up basketball (and does just fine on the escalator, thankeweverramuch) etc. There are planty of reasons to change things to suit those that have disabilities, but there are also some things that the disabled have to either understand that these things aren't in their cards or that they need to buckle down and find themselves a solution. I will so whatever is necesary to aisd the latter, and have discovered that they are far more embarassed by the former than they are by the offer of assistance. To a certain degree, being a drunk is a handicap. It's a medical condition that incapacitates the sufferer. Making backstage a place where drunks can ply our trade without injuring themselves or others is possible, just not a really good idea. Offering them a twelve-step program (or something similar) and having them work at a solution that will allow them to work in our world is a far better solution that changing our world to suit them. Weak analogy, I know, but it works to illustrate my point. There are ways, and then there are ways that make sense... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2659.205.215.254.201.1157760928.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) From: "Bill Nelson" > Maybe not a wheelchair-bound ballet dancer, but how about a wheelchair > bound ballet *teacher*? Don't laugh too hard - I've seen some > absolutely brilliant teachers (and choreographers) who had severely > limited mobility during the latter stages of their careers/lives. I would wager that, if they were that good, they would be provided with a more easily accessable space. However, I had not thought about teachers and choreographers. > As far as elevator access to things like catwalks: as was explained to > me by a very knowledgeable codes and compliance architect that I > questioned about some elevator access to catwalks on a project in Vegas: > "while you can require that the worker be physically capable of doing > things like lifting 50 pounds, reaching over a railing, etc - you > *can't* require that his supervisor or administrator (or teacher) > is...and they have to be given access to the workers job areas as well" Here, I would disagree. If there is only one person that can supervise people on catwalks, grids and flybridges, then they had better have good mobility. One of the primary reasons for them being there in the first place is safety. Carry the thought to the extreme, and it would require elevator access to wall pockets. > Sorry - just a little touchy about handicapped access getting bashed. I am very sensitive about access issues myself, but I also realize that it is possible to go too far. > Stepping off the soapbox....and sorry if I misrepresented Bill's post. If you did, don't worry about it. I am perfectly capable of misrepresenting myself, so cannot expect others to totally comprehend what I write. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2722.205.215.254.201.1157763362.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: sound mixer to follow cues From: "Bill Nelson" > Call me old fashioned, call me an analogue pharte, but the best way > to get sound to do what you want it to do is to put a soundguy behind > the console. Most anything else will end up sterile, at best, and > taking your whole life or your whole budget to actually work, at > worst. Art is made by people, not machines. If you're not trying to > make art, what is it that you are trying to do? And the best lighting is probably when a board savy lighting designer runs the board during performances. So? Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 21:05:21 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: disabled At 4:54 PM -0400 9/8/06, CB wrote: >I'm probably oversensitive a bit myself. My sensitivity (or lack thereof) >stems from the fact that large quantities of money are spent by facilities >(theatres included) to comply to 'ADA' in certain cases where it is one >person who won't accept the assistance of others in overcoming their >handicap, nor will they work to solve the problem themselves, but insist >that the entire world that they circulate in should cater to their every >need, damn the torpedoes and the cost. My Brotha!! >To a certain degree, being a drunk is a handicap. It's a medical condition >that incapacitates the sufferer. Making backstage a place where drunks can >ply our trade without injuring themselves or others is possible, just not a >really good idea. Offering them a twelve-step program (or something >similar) and having them work at a solution that will allow them to work in >our world is a far better solution that changing our world to suit them. >Weak analogy, I know, but it works to illustrate my point. Here's where we part ways, though... That's not merely weak, it's a *LOUSY* analogy, Chris. No one that I know of made a conscious decision to become handicapped, and no one that I know of became accidently drunk against their will. I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45021EA8.5040206 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:53:44 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) References: In-Reply-To: Michael Finney wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Bill Nelson > writes > > < accessible, the administration might have been bullied into installing > an elevator - for wheelchair-bound ballet dancers.>> > > Throwing fuel on the fire from another direction.... > > Maybe not a wheelchair-bound ballet dancer, but how about a wheelchair > bound ballet *teacher*? Don't laugh too hard - I've seen some > absolutely brilliant teachers (and choreographers) who had severely > limited mobility during the latter stages of their careers/lives. > True, dancers tend to be incredibly abusive of their bodies, and a large percentage of the older ones I know are mobility impaired from old injuries and arthritis. > As far as elevator access to things like catwalks: as was explained to > me by a very knowledgeable codes and compliance architect that I > questioned about some elevator access to catwalks on a project in Vegas: > "while you can require that the worker be physically capable of doing > things like lifting 50 pounds, reaching over a railing, etc - you > *can't* require that his supervisor or administrator (or teacher) > is...and they have to be given access to the workers job areas as well" > > Besides, how many times have you *wished* that they had installed an elevator up to the catwalks and or loading rails when you had to haul all that stuff up there yourself. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301c6d3c0$bdcc9240$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: disabled Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:33:39 -0700 > Here's where we part ways, though... That's not merely weak, it's a > *LOUSY* analogy, Chris. No one that I know of made a conscious decision to > become handicapped, and no one that I know of became accidently drunk > against their will. No, but I could see someone making a case against an employer for NOT employing them - citing Alcoholism as a disease which has handicapped them, and in spite of the 'handicap,' should be given full access and opportunity. Far-fetched, yes, but it might make the light of a court room, if you think about it. Just such outlandish defenses have been postured on Boston Legal, so it MUST be possible! :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:05:49 EDT Subject: Re: disabled Though using the ADA facilities to make work easier and even safer seems like a great (logical, common sense) idea, I was scolded for using the handicapped elevator to move sound gear rather than having 4-6 stagehands muscle it up and down the stairs. "That elevator may only be used by handicapped people." SO... Thanks to the injury I got in June (am in the midst of 6 intensive weeks of PT with an additional 3-6 months predicted by the therapist until I am "normal") I have official "handicapped" status from the state complete with hanging tag so I can park in the blue stalls. Can't wait to get back to work and use MY elevator! :) Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <38f.a0623fe.3233aa67 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 01:25:59 EDT Subject: Re: Herrick's Test Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com writes: << I just figured I'd provide you with a cheerleader and set up the webcam. I'd be rich beyond the dreams of avarice. >> No thanks. Though if you need a make up artist, I've done body makeup before. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1047.205.215.254.105.1157786569.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 00:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Handicapped access (was Re: color blind cue lights) From: "Bill Nelson" > Besides, how many times have you *wished* that they had installed an > elevator up to the catwalks and or loading rails when you had to haul > all that stuff up there yourself. I would love it. However, as Kristi documented, what do you want to bet that some bureaucrat would put a sign on any such elevator stating it was for "Handicapped use only" - with severe penalties for violating that designation? Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #943 *****************************