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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 34918670; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:04:02 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #952 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:01:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #952 1. color blind stagehand by Judy 2. Re: HP DesignJet 70-Opinions? by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: pay rates by John Bracewell 4. Re: HP DesignJet 70-Opinions? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Are any of you in Frankfurt or Munich? by Herrick Goldman 6. Re: Catwalk/working at height safety by "Mike Katz" 7. Re: Cue Lights by CB 8. Re: Catwalk/working at height safety by "Peter Scheu" 9. Hanging effects and plotters by "Dougherty, Jim" 10. Re: Catwalk/ other School Safety issues TO THE EXTREME by KEITH ARSENAULT 11. Re: Catwalk/working at height safety by "Mike Katz" 12. Re: Theatre Magic Fog Master by "Nathan Kahn" 13. Re: the magic flute and snakes by Stephen Litterst 14. Re: Cue Lights by Stephen Litterst 15. Re: The results are in...(long post) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Cue Lights by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: the magic flute and snakes by Clive Mitchell 18. Mini Art (OT-but really cool) by Seth Richardson 19. Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Noah Price" 20. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "LES LIND" 21. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Peter Scheu" 22. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Delbert Hall" 23. Re: pay rates by Stephen Litterst 24. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by Steve Shelley 26. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Klyph Stanford" 27. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "richard j. archer" 28. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Occy" 29. Re: Mini Art (OT-but really cool) by Rigger 30. Mic Stand Bases by "Lon Butcher" 31. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by Andy Champ-Doran 32. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Ken Romaine" 33. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 34. Re: Mic Stand Bases by "Daniel O'Donnell" 35. Re: the magic flute and snakes by "Bill Nelson" 36. Re: the magic flute and snakes by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: Cue Lights by "Bill Nelson" 38. Re: disabled by NODEraser 39. Re: Cue Lights by Bruce Purdy 40. Re: Cue Lights by "Bill Nelson" 41. Re: Cue Lights by "Jerry Durand" 42. Re: Cue Lights by Clive Mitchell 43. Re: Cue Lights by "Bill Nelson" 44. Re: Payment Rates by "Bill Nelson" 45. We were talking about SF Books... by Stuart Wheaton 46. Re: Cue Lights by Rigger 47. Re: Cue Lights by Charlie Richmond 48. Re: Cue Lights by "Jerry Durand" 49. Re: Cue Lights by "Occy" 50. Re: Cue Lights by "Occy" 51. Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price by "Jon Ares" 52. Re: Mini Art (OT-but really cool) by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 53. Re: Cue Lights by Andy Ciddor 54. Re: Cue Lights by Bruce Purdy 55. Re: Cue Lights by Clive Mitchell 56. Torches /flashlights was Re: Cue Lights by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 57. Re: the magic flute and snakes by "Zirngibl, Ryan John" 58. Re: Cue Lights by "Jon Ares" 59. Re: We were talking about SF Books... by Herrick Goldman *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <450A95B0.6020704 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:59:44 +0200 From: Judy Subject: color blind stagehand > > >I don't know that I've ever worked with a color blind >> stagehand. > When I was first working as an electrician I had a color blind boss. Those were the bad old non-digital days, and we used to open up dimmers to fix them. When fixing the electronics he'd have to ask me what colors the wires were. He was brilliant at it though, could fix anything. He also designed lighting for outdoor events, and did some really striking stuff, because he relied mainly on angles not color - backlighting trees and mountains rather than coloring them. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:55:06 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: HP DesignJet 70-Opinions? References: In-Reply-To: In message , "ladesigners [at] juno.com" writes >I am very happy with my DesignJet 100 (24"x36" sheetfeed, plus a tray >for 11"x18", 13"x19" and other sizes). It cost $800 direct from HP. It >plays very nicely with AutoCad 2D and 3D, and does good color work. I wonder if there are any large printers that are refill friendly. I bought a Canon printer recently after researching the easiest printers to refill. The Canon was by far the most popular for refilling according to Google and it certainly is easy to refill without any clogging problems like the HP technology. That can save a lot of cash on ink in large format printing. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20060915075333.02097060 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:00:23 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: pay rates In-Reply-To: >>No one aspect of the show is so great that it overrides all the others, >>and if any one of those aspects were missing it would be significantly >>detrimental. >While I agree with the second half of this sentence, I've seen plenty of >shows (unfortunately) with lousy lighting and wonderful acting which >worked beautifully, and I've never ever seen the reverse. Can anybody out >there say differently? I saw a show on Broadway years ago that had such lousy scenery that I had trouble thinking about anything else. Not that the design was bad, I suppose, (and I don't really remember), but the technical aspects were so poorly done that there were obvious flaws in painting and gaps about three inches wide between flats. Perhaps the non-theatre people in the audience didn't notice, but I sure did. I've also seen shows where the design aspects were so obviously ill-matched to the nature of the script that I came away from the production in very bad humor. So I could almost say that I've seen some shows where I could have wished that one or more aspects were missing. -- JLB ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: HP DesignJet 70-Opinions? Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c6d8c0$abe65fc0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The Canon was by far the most popular for refilling=20 > according to Google and it certainly is easy to refill without any=20 > clogging problems like the HP technology. That can save a=20 > lot of cash=20 > on ink in large format printing. I haven't tried Canon's large format printers, but I tried two = letter-format units and they both had serious -- and irreparable problems with = refills. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:08:21 -0400 Subject: Are any of you in Frankfurt or Munich? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: I'll be there from 9/18-9/25 E-mail me off list if you want. And Yes I am going to Oktoberfest. -Herrick -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180609150716v4fd5ecd5kb3c6997985839158 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:16:49 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: Catwalk/working at height safety In-Reply-To: References:

Peter, Osha does not deal with students unless they are employees. That does not mean that we in education should ignore them as a valuable resource, but it does explain why they wont show up if a student is injured. It is odd to be in safety seminars in a university and be told that all the info on Osha does not legally apply to our students. Mike snip made WITHOUT fining you if there is anything not in compliance. You will, > however, have to follow their recommendations or you may be fined by OSHA > later. Given that you've had an accident with injuries, I'm surprised OSHA > hasn't come by already. > > I ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060902075010.00cf95a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 07:50:10 From: CB Subject: Re: Cue Lights >The SPL that he required to monitor his mix was so intense that >whoever was in the control room with him, wore ear protection... >... His deafness was >acquired - from running his monitors too hard in the first 20 years >of his career. ...and still going on. Wouldn't it make far more sense to send a signal directly to him and give him the headphones? And have everyone else be able to work in fairly normal (whatever that means in a TV control room, anyways...) environment. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Catwalk/working at height safety Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:35:30 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Mike Katz wrote: >Osha does not deal with students unless they are employees.=20 Splitting very fine hairs, I suppose it doesn't, if the schools lawyers = are comfortable with that. What about work study kids? What about paid staff = and professors? I don't think the railings, etc. know the difference. If nothing else, your school Risk Management department should inspect = the arrangements and give you a direction. Then get it in writing. Good point, though. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:40:51 -0400 Subject: Hanging effects and plotters From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hanging effect: When we produced _An Experiment with an Air Pump_, we used Hall Associates Flying Effects, working with Tracy Nunnally. We had a great experience. He included an excellent workshop on flying effects for our students (and ourselves), the effect worked great for the show, and the total cost including the workshop was far less than the price of even a portion of the gear, should one have the hubris to wing it alone. Just shifting the liability a bit was worth the cost. Plotters: We've used a DesignJet 800PS, which is admittedly bigger than you're after, for several years and it's been great. We use it for printing out plots and drawings from Vectorworks, and large format images mostly from Photoshop. It's very friendly - doesn't jam, gobble ink, etc. Apologies to anyone who thought I was posting advice for how to hang a plotter safely. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1510F9AE-A629-4C97-ABEE-0B138BABE2A8 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Catwalk/ other School Safety issues TO THE EXTREME Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:54:14 -0400 A few years ago I experienced a HS Auditorium where I was in and out on a regular basis handling production issues for a presenter who was bringing in touring shows. it was a fairly nice moderate sized venue with (for a HS) a nice lighting, sound and (single purchase) rigging This was in BROOKSVILLE, FLORIDA Their "Loss Prevention" Executive had instituted the following provisions; a they would not allow a ladder or Genie in the theatre, all student and faculty were required to run electrics up and down for focus. b At the loading rail, a nice metal decked affair with railings on each side (at knee high and hip high)they had installed CHAIN LINK FENCING up to the hip high railing. (this was easily dealt with by undoing the connections, pushing the chain link fencing back like a curtain and then returning everything to it's original place) c At the FOH lighting position, they had placed (welded) a metal grating with about 4" square openings over the area where one would normally reach to adjust instruments hanging properly from the rail from C Clamps. There was fear that someone lying on the FOH walkway could roll off and fall 40' to the theatre floor. This made hanging lamps where they were designed and intended impossible. All FOH lamps were yoked out, radically to allow some degree of access. This wasn't a complete solution however as to reach the focus knob on a 6 x 22 one had to literally put one leg OVER the rail of the FOH position to get close enough. This was usually a two person job, , one to focus, one to hold on to him. I just "dealt" with these issues whenever I was in the building (we brought an A frame ladder to deal with the focus issues) didn't have the time while I was there to fight these battles for them. It would seem that in an effort to minimize dangerous situations, this Loss Prevention Director actually made things worse, Haven't been there in a number of years, hopefully someone will have explained things to the Loss Prevention Dept. Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180609150808u4a13fac7rb181673294486c43 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:08:56 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: Catwalk/working at height safety In-Reply-To: References:

All of what you say is true, And everyone agrees that OSHA is a minimum standard to work to. I was just reacting to the on issue of whether OSHA would be involved if a student was hurt. Mike On 9/15/06, Peter Scheu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mike Katz wrote: > > >Osha does not deal with students unless they are employees. > > Splitting very fine hairs, I suppose it doesn't, if the schools lawyers are > comfortable with that. What about work study kids? What about paid staff and > professors? I don't think the railings, etc. know the difference. > > If nothing else, your school Risk Management department should inspect the > arrangements and give you a direction. Then get it in writing. > > Good point, though. > > Peter Scheu > > Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. > Syracuse, NY > www.scheuconsulting.com > > -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270609150819o635850e9le10ae7b48979bd43 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:19:00 -0400 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: Theatre Magic Fog Master In-Reply-To: References: Theatre Magic has evolved into SFX Design and the Fog Master is still listed on their website: http://www.sfxdesigninc.com/v2/ so I presume they still sell the canisters for it. The Le Maitre canisters are similar but are designed to be installed upside down. The Theatre Magic canisters have a siphon tube inside to draw from the bottom. If you find an LM canister before you find a TM one, then you can use it to test your machine if you hold the machine upside down :-) Nathan -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450AD48B.1000906 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:27:55 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: the magic flute and snakes References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > >>I am designing and building the magic flute and With the >>snake I would >>like to have it blow smoke out of its nose, one way I thought >>of was a >>CO2 fire extinguisher, > > > Your local AHJ may disapprove of this; they tend to frown on fire > extinguishers' being used for anything other than extinguishing fires. Have a chat with the local AHJ. We wanted a similar idea for a steam train a few years back. I called the campus fire marshal about where I could find some CO2 extinguishers and he brought over about a dozen. It seems that when the extinguishers are recharged, they first have to be discharged and the company charges them for discharging the extinguishers before recharging them. By lending us the extinguishers for the effect, we discharged them, saving the AHJ the charge from the recharging company. That said, CO2 extinguishers are highly pressurized. Make sure whatever plumbing you are constructing for the effect can handle both the pressure and the temperature. My first try at the effect resulted in a very loud boom as the valves held but the pipe didn't. I was lucky that the only injury was a temporary threshold shift in my hearing. A foot closer to the effect and I'd have gone to the hospital. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450AD5E9.5090807 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:33:45 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Cue Lights References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > How'd the Ground and Neutral get turned around, then? I thought it was > because one out of ten electricians are colorblind or something... In the dark, we're all colorblind. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42e.69b53df.323c335f [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:48:31 EDT Subject: Re: The results are in...(long post) In a message dated 15/09/06 06:00:26 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Check out the Hollywood movie studio type doors... These are usually winch operated double doors, about 4" thich with a 2' space between them. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:51:14 EDT Subject: Re: Cue Lights In a message dated 15/09/06 06:20:26 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > How'd the Ground and Neutral get turned around, then? I thought it was > because one out of ten electricians are colorblind or something... We have a solution, in the UK. The earth (ground) wire is always green, with a yellow helical stripe. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:10:31 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: the magic flute and snakes References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Stephen Litterst writes >My first try at the effect resulted in a very loud boom as the valves >held but the pipe didn't. I was lucky that the only injury was a >temporary threshold shift in my hearing. A foot closer to the effect >and I'd have gone to the hospital. Cool. There's a little bit of Davie Dimmers in everyone. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <757DB63C-D01B-4B46-A34E-00B61270272F [at] adelphia.net> From: Seth Richardson Subject: Mini Art (OT-but really cool) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:13:48 -0400 Check out: or I really like the Baby in the eye of a needle or the Gold tiger in the eye of a needle. WOW is all I have to say about this guy. Seth Richardson ------------------------------ From: "Noah Price" Subject: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: 15 Sep 2006 10:28:00 -0700 Message-ID:<3241160923.613741 [at] mail.prxy.net> Everyone's doing well! September 14, 2006 12:01 AM 6lb 11oz 19 1/2" Noah & Heather & Ryan ------------------------------ Message-Id: <450AAC020200002900000F12 [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:34:58 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price References: In-Reply-To: Yeah!!! Congrats. Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> "Noah Price" 9/15/06 1:28 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Everyone's doing well! September 14, 2006 12:01 AM 6lb 11oz 19 1/2" Noah & Heather & Ryan ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:51:50 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: From one new Dad to another... CONGRATULATIONS!!!! What a joy! "A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. " - Carl Sandburg Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:56:06 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price In-Reply-To: References: Good looking fellow. Congratulation. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall 423-773-4255 ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450AEAFE.6000008 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:03:42 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: pay rates References: In-Reply-To: Judy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >> No one aspect of the show is so great that it overrides all the >> others, and if any one of those aspects were missing it would be >> significantly detrimental. >> > While I agree with the second half of this sentence, I've seen plenty of > shows (unfortunately) with lousy lighting and wonderful acting which > worked beautifully, and I've never ever seen the reverse. Can anybody > out there say differently? Not shows per se, but I have been on productions where the performing during rehearsal was quite moving and evocative. Once technical elements were added in, the performances were not as powerful to me. As I look back, my favorite productions to work were the ones where I understood the characters, action, and motivation prior to first tech. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450AEBCC.3010102 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:07:08 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price References: In-Reply-To: Noah Price wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone's doing well! > > > > September 14, 2006 > 12:01 AM > 6lb 11oz > 19 1/2" > Congratulations! Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:11:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Congratulations! On 9/15/06 1:28 PM, "Noah Price" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone's doing well! > > > > September 14, 2006 > 12:01 AM > 6lb 11oz > 19 1/2" > > Noah & Heather & Ryan > -- Steve Shelley MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: RE: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:16:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c6d8f3$15a05740$ad46fa0a [at] Klyph1> In-Reply-To: AAAAAFothA0fLKlBrogv4Pn+OUVkjiIA Congrats! Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 www.klyph-stanford-designs.net "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Noah Price Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:28 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Wyatt Sebastian Price For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Everyone's doing well! September 14, 2006 12:01 AM 6lb 11oz 19 1/2" Noah & Heather & Ryan ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:33:15 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price Well, well. Congratulations If you want him to go to your alma mater you'd better start saving now. Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:09:40 -0700 Congratulations! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Price" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone's doing well! > > > > September 14, 2006 > 12:01 AM > 6lb 11oz > 19 1/2" > > Noah & Heather & Ryan > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:37:42 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Mini Art (OT-but really cool) At 1:13 PM -0400 9/15/06, Seth Richardson wrote: > I really like the Baby in the eye of a needle or the Gold > tiger in the eye of a needle. I like the Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston smaller than the matchhead. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net What exactly is "viewer discretion"? If viewers had any discretion, most TV shows wouldn't be on the air. ------------------------------ Subject: Mic Stand Bases Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Lon Butcher" Greetings to the List, I've unearthed an abundance of cast mic stand bases and I have it in my head to convert some of them to lighting floor stands. If anyone has done this I'd love your input. Barring that, I'm looking for a way to adapt the mic stand thread (7/8" x 27 thread?) to a standard 1/2" coarse thread. I've done some searching for adapters, off the shelf bushings, and pieces of hardware with the mic base thread to adapt. I haven't had any luck so far. I come to the collective wisdom of the list for ideas toward a next step. Thanks in advance! Lon=20 Lon Butcher College of Fine and Performing Arts Western Washington University Bellingham, WA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060915162805.nyho7804gg8soskc [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:28:05 -0400 From: Andy Champ-Doran Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price References: In-Reply-To: Congratulations! Andy Champ-Doran Quoting Noah Price : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone's doing well! > > > > September 14, 2006 > 12:01 AM > 6lb 11oz > 19 1/2" > > Noah & Heather & Ryan > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:46:57 -0400 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price In-Reply-To: References: Congrats, Noah! All the best to your family! -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009e01c6d913$106ad280$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References: Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:32 -0600 Hearty Congratulations Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noah Price" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Wyatt Sebastian Price > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Everyone's doing well! > > > > September 14, 2006 > 12:01 AM > 6lb 11oz > 19 1/2" > > Noah & Heather & Ryan > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <89A0E203-5920-4648-B132-1E0AAEE9A840 [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Mic Stand Bases Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:32:44 -0400 Go Low Tech! Remove the stand from the base, place a bolt, with washer through the base, bolt onto yoke. On Sep 15, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Lon Butcher wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings to the List, > > I've unearthed an abundance of cast mic stand bases and I have it > in my > head to convert some of them to lighting floor stands. If anyone has > done this I'd love your input. Barring that, I'm looking for a way to > adapt the mic stand thread (7/8" x 27 thread?) to a standard 1/2" > coarse > thread. I've done some searching for adapters, off the shelf > bushings, > and pieces of hardware with the mic base thread to adapt. I > haven't had > any luck so far. I come to the collective wisdom of the list for > ideas > toward a next step. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1089.205.215.254.149.1158362564.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the magic flute and snakes From: "Bill Nelson" >I am designing and building the magic flute and With the snake I would >like to have it blow smoke out of its nose, one way I thought of was a >CO2 fire extinguisher, Unless it is a very large snake that will be producing a large "smoke" volume, I would discourage trying to make that work. The pressures are high and the discharge is noisy. If the snake is small, consider just using some sort of low pressure system, such as a foot pump for an air mattress - which would blow into a container of powder. The major consideration would be, what is the least toxic fine powder that you could use? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1093.205.215.254.149.1158362701.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the magic flute and snakes From: "Bill Nelson" I seem to recall that several of the theatrical suppliers have "smoke in a can". You might look into that option. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1106.205.215.254.149.1158363843.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cue Lights From: "Bill Nelson" >> --------------------------------------------------- >> How'd the Ground and Neutral get turned around, then? I thought it was >> because one out of ten electricians are colorblind or something... > > In the dark, we're all colorblind. To which the simple answer is "Don't work in the dark". There should always be multiple flashlights available backstage, in case of a massive power failure. It could be argued that all techs should have a small flashlight on their belts, I carry a small Maglight. Since it can be accidentally turned on by a twist of the top, it has the bottom battery installed upside down. If I am in a situation where I might need it quickly, I install the battery correctly. Not a perfect solution, but better than having it run down unnoticed (which has happened in the past). Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:51:45 -0700 From: NODEraser Reply-To: greg [at] hypersoft.zzn.com Subject: Re: disabled In-Reply-To: References: The evacuation procedure in my reisdence building, is for the weelchair-bound residents to wait in the stairwell for the fire crews to arrive. There is extra room for this purpose, but the mental effect of watching everyone leave the burning building while you're stuck there can't be very encouraging. This particular stairwell is also open to the outside, so said person also has a cold wait. On 9/11/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 11/09/06 20:26:46 GMT Daylight Time, nigle [at] dsl.pipex.com > writes: > > > Those got thrown out a while back. The current procedure is to call the > fire > > brigade > > and let them remove the disabled people if necessary. This doesn't sound > > like a good > > plan to me, but it was acceptable to the licensing inspector. > > There are two issues here. One of what is acceptable to the inspector, and > one of which actually affords safety. > > I agree with you. The fire brigade has to arrive, and assess the situation. > This takes time. > > Myself, I agree with you. Whence did the inspector receive his training, if > any: what are his qualifications? What, if anything, does he know about > theatres, and their problems? > > > Frank Wood > -- Greg Bennett Carpenter/Grip/Electrician Mount Washington Valley Theatre Company Eastern Slope Inn Playhouse North Conway, New Hampshire ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <8CA62161-EA79-47E0-90F8-BFEA0677F9C4 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:54:30 -0400 On 15 Sep 2006, at 19:44, Bill Nelson wrote: > I carry a small Maglight. Since it can be > accidentally turned on by a twist of the top, it has the bottom > battery > installed upside down. If I am in a situation where I might need it > quickly, I install the battery correctly. Not a perfect solution, but > better than having it run down unnoticed (which has happened in the > past). I always live with a mini Mag on my hip. I can't count the many times I've been in a store or someplace and someone has said "Did you know your flashlight is on?" (I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.) Other times I feel the warmth of the flashlight with my elbow and turn it off. I do love my Mini Mag, but it does turn itself on too easily. I like your idea of reversing the battery, but I use it too frequently for that to be practical. I wish I could find another light I'd like as much (But wouldn't turn itself on) that would fit in the holster. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1154.205.215.254.149.1158364819.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cue Lights From: "Bill Nelson" > I do love my Mini Mag, but it does turn itself on too easily. I like > your idea of reversing the battery, but I use it too frequently for > that to be practical. I wish I could find another light I'd like as > much (But wouldn't turn itself on) that would fit in the holster. It is a bit inconvenient to reverse the battery periodically, but is better than having the batteries run down unnoticed. I suspect that a person could apply a judicious amount of silicon rubber to make the barrel harder to turn, but have not tried it. The acetic acid that is released when the rubber cures is not going to harm the aluminum. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Durand" Subject: Re: Cue Lights In-reply-to: Message-id: <1862.192.168.0.101.1158365381.squirrel [at] gandalf> References:

On Fri, September 15, 2006 4:54 pm, Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > I do love my Mini Mag, but it does turn itself on too easily. I like > your idea of reversing the battery, but I use it too frequently for > that to be practical. I wish I could find another light I'd like as > much (But wouldn't turn itself on) that would fit in the holster. I carry a AA-powered Gerber CMG Infinity Ultra LED Flashlight with me all the time. It doesn't turn on too easily and even if I ever did turn it on, the battery is good for many hours. I use Costco cells and have only had to replace them a couple of times in the years I've had this. I see the new models are even brighter than mine. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:16:33 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue Lights References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >To which the simple answer is "Don't work in the dark". There should >always be multiple flashlights available backstage, in case of a >massive power failure. It could be argued that all techs should have a >small flashlight on their belts, I carry a small Maglight. Since it can >accidentally turned on by a twist of the top, it has the bottom battery >installed upside down. If I am in a situation where I might need it >quickly, I install the battery correctly. Not a perfect solution, but >better than having it run down unnoticed (which has happened in the >past). Guys..... I really think you should be ditching the "traditional" Maglite for either the LED retrofit or a completely dedicated LED torch. Here in the UK one of the single most popular torches in the rigging industry is the Petzl Tikka. It's a very light but bright head torch that you can easily forget is on your head. Add the stupendous battery life while retaining it's crisp white light even as the batteries fade away, and you have the perfect torch for theatre. I was introduced to them while working alongside riggers at Disney Paris and as soon as I got back home for a weekend I went and bought one. I'm so glad I did. It's easily paid it's way in battery cost alone without even starting on the amount of valuable time it's saved in being able to just keep on working without going on battery hunts. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1183.205.215.254.149.1158366082.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Cue Lights From: "Bill Nelson" > Guys..... I really think you should be ditching the "traditional" > Maglite for either the LED retrofit or a completely dedicated LED torch. If I used mine more, I would do so. However, I have need of the torch once or twice a month. I may look into the Maglite retrofit, but cannot really justify purchasing a new light. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1190.205.215.254.149.1158366377.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Payment Rates From: "Bill Nelson" > Then explain this one then? > > Laguna Beach's Pageant of the Masters has lost none of its appeal over the > years. Every summer, audiences pack the Irvine Bowl to watch real people > posing to look exactly like their counterparts in recreations of original > art pieces. > Over the 90-minute performance, about 20 different art works go on display > accompanied by a professional orchestra playing an original score. That has actors - the people who are posing. And the audience may be there as much for the music as for the displays. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <450B48D3.6040907 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:44:03 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: We were talking about SF Books... A while ago we got on the subject. Thanks to Big Fred, I tried John Varley, AND I Loved it! Maybe it's just the one I picked up (The Golden Globe), but sort of like Heinlein writing a Stainless Steel Rat novel. Thanks! Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:37:03 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Cue Lights At 5:00 PM -0700 9/15/06, Bill Nelson wrote: >> I do love my Mini Mag, but it does turn itself on too easily. I like >> your idea of reversing the battery, but I use it too frequently for >> that to be practical. I wish I could find another light I'd like as >> much (But wouldn't turn itself on) that would fit in the holster. > > It is a bit inconvenient to reverse the battery periodically, but is > better than having the batteries run down unnoticed. > I suspect that a person could apply a judicious amount of silicon rubber > to make the barrel harder to turn, but have not tried it. The acetic acid > that is released when the rubber cures is not going to harm the aluminum. ISTR seeing a little toy for the Mini Mag that converts the stock end-cap to a lockable push-button switch, similar to the Mini Mag clone you could get at one time (and perhaps still?) at Eddie Bauer... Click, it's on, click, it's off, twist the button a quarter-turn, and it's locked off. Beats me where I saw it, though... I'd believe Google would know. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he machine-gunned the survivors ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:41:25 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Cue Lights In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Jerry Durand wrote: > I carry a AA-powered Gerber CMG Infinity Ultra LED Flashlight with me all It makes a great cue light too!!! Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jerry Durand" Subject: Re: Cue Lights In-reply-to: Message-id: <1989.192.168.0.101.1158367458.squirrel [at] gandalf> References:

On Fri, September 15, 2006 5:41 pm, Charlie Richmond wrote: >> It makes a great cue light too!!! Not big enough, if it fits in the door, it's too small. :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:07:28 -0700 Or do what I do for my mini mags, is to buy a pouch that is covered for the mini's found in mountain climbing gear and put it on your tech belt you can hang your belt up side down too. Use the "free mini pouch" is good for 6" wide jaw adjustable wrench (put a few wraps of etape around the top of the pouch too add resistance, so the wrench stays in. The best is cut the bottom out/off put on your belt and put your 2 favorite color sharpies in it, just pull the body of the sharpie out the bottom and use or loan... you always get your sharpie back as they have no lid for the body of the pen. That's just a few of the good things you can do with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Purdy" > --------------------------------------------------- > > I always live with a mini Mag on my hip. I can't count the many > times I've been in a store or someplace and someone has said "Did you > know your flashlight is on?" (I have always depended on the kindness > of strangers.) Other times I feel the warmth of the flashlight with > my elbow and turn it off. > > I do love my Mini Mag, but it does turn itself on too easily. I like > your idea of reversing the battery, but I use it too frequently for > that to be practical. I wish I could find another light I'd like as > much (But wouldn't turn itself on) that would fit in the holster. > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:11:17 -0700 With the size of our heads your right! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" > --------------------------------------------------- > On Fri, September 15, 2006 5:41 pm, Charlie Richmond wrote: > >> It makes a great cue light too!!! > > Not big enough, if it fits in the door, it's too small. :) > > -- > Jerry Durand > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c6d92f$322ae4c0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Wyatt Sebastian Price Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:26:55 -0700 > Everyone's doing well! > > > Congratulations to you and your wife! I hope the "load-out" went well! - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <38a.be5d4c8.323cb61e [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:06:22 EDT Subject: Re: Mini Art (OT-but really cool) When in L.A. check out the Museum of Jurassic Technology. A fascinating, eclectic collection to say the least. museum home page: http://www.mjt.org/ micro miniature (the art, not the artist) artist page: http://www.mjt.org/exhibits/hagop/hagop1.html Then there are the micromosaics: http://www.mjt.org/exhibits/dalton/dalton.html Jeff > I really like the Baby in the eye of a needle or the Gold tiger in > the eye of a needle. > > WOW is all I have to say about this guy. Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College Theater & Dance Depts. 845-758-7956 drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060916121227.05dd5818 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:26:11 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Cue Lights In-Reply-To: References: At 17:50 2.09.2006, CB wrote: > >The SPL that he required to monitor his mix was so intense that > >whoever was in the control room with him, wore ear protection... > >... His deafness was > >acquired - from running his monitors too hard in the first 20 years > >of his career. > >...and still going on. Wouldn't it make far more sense to send a signal >directly to him and give him the headphones? And have everyone else be >able to work in fairly normal (whatever that means in a TV control room, >anyways...) environment. You may be the exception Chris, but I've never yet come across an Audio Engineer/Audio Director who would mix a full orchestra/showband plus singer/s live to air through a pair of headphones! I know I'm only a lighting guy who's lived (too) much of his life on cans, but it's not something I can ever remember seeing. In the main studio where I worked with this person, the audio and vision control rooms were separated by a soundproofed wall that was triple/quadruple glazed from waist-height upwards with a communicating door that was always kept firmly shut when this audio director was behind the console :-) Andy ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:29:24 -0400 On 15 Sep 2006, at 20:37, Rigger wrote: > ISTR seeing a little toy for the Mini Mag that converts the stock > end-cap to a lockable push-button switch, similar to the Mini Mag > clone you could get at one time (and perhaps still?) at Eddie > Bauer... Click, it's on, click, it's off, twist the button a > quarter-turn, and it's locked off. I seem to recall seeing those once as well, but not lately. My concern is: Would it interfere with it's ability to slide into the Mini Maglite holster. Some great recommendations for other lights, but do any of them come with holsters? I wear mine everywhere I go, and I like the trim (Not bulky) design. Unfortunately I've not found any other brand that fits into the Maglite holster, or any others that have a holster. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:33:15 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Cue Lights References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >If I used mine more, I would do so. However, I have need of the torch >once or twice a month. I may look into the Maglite retrofit, but cannot >really justify purchasing a new light. > >Bill No trust me. Once you have used a good LED light once you will NEVER go back. Treat yourself to a Tikka. It's what the pro's use. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001601c6d93a$e9eb99a0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Torches /flashlights was Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:47 -0600 I second Clive's message. I bought one earlier this year and left it at home thinking I shouldn't need it for a months tour... I now own two. One is the Petzl Tikka Clive described and the other is a Black Diamond which has a narrow and wide beam with high, low, and high flash/pulse settings for each beam. The work box has a Mini Mag and a 3D cell Mag for those times that they are appropriate. The only problem is trying to put the Tikka in my mini mag holster. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Mitchell" To: "Stagecraft" > > Guys..... I really think you should be ditching the "traditional" > Maglite for either the LED retrofit or a completely dedicated LED torch. > > Here in the UK one of the single most popular torches in the rigging > industry is the Petzl Tikka. It's a very light but bright head torch > that you can easily forget is on your head. Add the stupendous battery > life while retaining it's crisp white light even as the batteries fade > away, and you have the perfect torch for theatre. > > I was introduced to them while working alongside riggers at Disney Paris > and as soon as I got back home for a weekend I went and bought one. I'm > so glad I did. It's easily paid it's way in battery cost alone without > even starting on the amount of valuable time it's saved in being able to > just keep on working without going on battery hunts. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: the magic flute and snakes Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:34:55 -0500 Message-ID: <5CF1C3D95785A143A3E33ACFD864609B06FDD410 [at] PEPSI.uwec.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" =20 >I am designing and building the magic flute and With the snake I would=20 >like to have it blow smoke out of its nose, one way I thought of was a >CO2 fire extinguisher, A theatre guild I've worked with a few times uses fog juice in one of the handheld clothing steamers for effects like this ("steam" out of a train's smoke stack, a little burst of haze rising out of the sewer as someone crawls out...) I'm not sure if this is very widely accepted in the business or if there are any dangers that they may be unaware of, but it seems to work well for the effect (just don't steal one from the costumers, get a steamer of your own or you will be cut quite badly I'm sure, and with good reason) Ryan J. Zirngibl ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c6d94b$89436db0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Cue Lights Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:49:47 -0700 > I seem to recall seeing those once as well, but not lately. My concern > is: Would it interfere with it's ability to slide into the Mini Maglite > holster. Some great recommendations for other lights, but do any of them > come with holsters? I wear mine everywhere I go, and I like the trim (Not > bulky) design. Unfortunately I've not found any other brand that fits > into the Maglite holster, or any others that have a holster. Hear, hear. I currently brandish a Craftsman brand LED mini-"torch" that does (barely) fit in my Nite-Ize Pock-Its pouch from REI (akin to what Occy recommended) - but it's a bit hard to remove, and it's also slightly cumbersome to operate (you keep it slightly unscrewed, and push a button to illuminate, or screw it in to keep the light on). But the hard part is whipping it out of the beltpouch. I miss the ease of whipping out my smooth-shafted mini. (Maglite, that is.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 01:46:56 -0400 Subject: Re: We were talking about SF Books... From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17957281.1158367303688.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Recently finished 'Altered carbon" great detective sci-fi stuff. Now I'm reading the Hugo award winner "spin". By Robert charles Wilson it's fun and definitely new. "I mean it's out there, you know? I mean it's really out there" Name the quote win a prize. -H On 9/15/06 8:44 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > A while ago we got on the subject. Thanks to Big Fred, I tried John > Varley, AND I Loved it! > > Maybe it's just the one I picked up (The Golden Globe), but sort of like > Heinlein writing a Stainless Steel Rat novel. > > Thanks! > > Stuart > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #952 *****************************