Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 35234441; Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:16:32 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BIZ_TLD, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,TRACKER_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #959 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:14:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #959 1. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "Bill Nelson" 2. Re: PLASA 06. by Dorian Kelly 3. Re: Close to home... by "Bill Nelson" 4. Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes by "Bill Nelson" 5. Re: Sound board for a theatre by "Bill Nelson" 6. Re: Close to home - followup by "John Penisten" 7. Re: Close to home... by "Jon Ares" 8. Driving a truck in Manhattan by b Ricie 9. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by "richard j. archer" 12. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "Alf Sauve" 13. Re: OT but impressive - bridge collapse by "Kurt Cypher" 14. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: Close to home... by "Kurt Cypher" 16. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 17. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 18. Re: Close to home... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 19. Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes by Clive Mitchell 20. Re: Close to home - followup by Clive Mitchell 21. Re: PLASA 06. by Clive Mitchell 22. Re: Close to home - followup by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: Close to home... by Clive Mitchell 24. Re: Close to home... by Clive Mitchell 25. Re: Close to home... by "LES LIND" 26. Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan by SS 27. Re: Sound board for a theatre by "Nigel Worsley" 28. reaction to Station Club Fire pleas by Theatre Safety Programs 29. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "Marc Palmer" 30. Teacher curriculum by Philip Johnson 31. Re: Close to home... by Chip Wood 32. Re: Close to home... by Richard Wright 33. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by Chip Wood 34. Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan by Chip Wood 35. Re: Close to home... by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 36. Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan by Chip Wood 37. Re: Close to home... by Jerry Durand 38. Re: Teacher curriculum by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 39. Re: Teacher curriculum by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Teacher curriculum by Philip Johnson 41. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 42. Sound Guy Boot Camp (Was:RE: Teacher curriculum) by "Storms, Randy" 43. Re: Teacher curriculum by MissWisc [at] aol.com 44. Re: Teacher curriculum by Stephen Rees 45. Re: Sound Guy Boot Camp (Was:RE: Teacher curriculum) by "John Penisten" 46. Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by Greg Persinger 47. Re: Close to home... by Clive Mitchell 48. Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by Bill Sapsis 49. Bill Sapsis' LDI Arena rigging Seminar by Greg Persinger 50. Re: Teacher curriculum by jonares [at] hevanet.com 51. Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by Stephen Lee 52. Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by James Feinberg 53. Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 54. Re: Teacher curriculum by Chip Wood 55. Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar by Stephen Rees 56. FW: Yamaha AW1600 help? by "Storms, Randy" 57. Re: Close to home... by Jerry Durand 58. Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes by "Occy" 59. Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes by Clive Mitchell 60. Re: Teacher curriculum by "Scott Parker" 61. Re: Teacher curriculum by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 62. Re: Teacher curriculum by Philip Johnson 63. Re: Close to home... by Stuart Wheaton 64. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by Dale farmer 65. Re: Close to home... by Mitch Hefter 66. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by Bill Sapsis 67. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by Stuart Wheaton 68. Re: Close to home - followup by StevevETTrn [at] aol.com 69. Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <1269.205.215.255.53.1158838465.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures From: "Bill Nelson" > ID the lenses. I think the color code can be found in the owners manual > or on ETCs web site. It is marked on the inside of every lens assembly. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:37:42 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: PLASA 06. >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Did you see Le Maitre's new faux flame effect? >Pretty simple principle, but MAN was it effective! >Fast dissipating fog juice fed to a series of small outlets on a 3 or 4 foot >wide unit. behind them was a row of dichroic bubbles with a split red/amber >coloured gel mount. >http://www.lemaitre.co.uk/ProductDescription.asp?idxProduct=90&idxCategory=1 I thought it looked awful, too even, no variations in flame height, no dancing. It might be all right on brief longish shots as a window effect. Maybe if they put a rotating disc in front of some of the light sources? Dorian -- Illuminati Creative Technology3 Gladstone Road Colchester Essex UK +44 1206 798076 07770 950964 mailto:Info [at] theatrearts.biz ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1298.205.215.255.53.1158840493.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Close to home... From: "Bill Nelson" > Most modern Europen lanterns are so designed that accessing the lamp breaks > the connections. Indeed, I think it has been mandatory for some years. But > there are many old ones around. I am glad that most do not. When I replace an incandescent lamp, I want to be able to momentarily plug it in and verify that everything is OK before I reinstall the lamp base. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1324.205.215.255.53.1158841794.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes From: "Bill Nelson" > You forgot the UV emissions. In short bursts as an effect the ozone > products will not be significant. No, I did not forget the UV. With the limited current flow that occurs, the UV is not a problem. If I recall correctly, the highest current neon sign transformers are 50 ma - and that is for the special high power factor version. Now if it were a high current welding arc, that would be a different matter. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1339.205.215.255.53.1158842789.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sound board for a theatre From: "Bill Nelson" > The list on the SERIES-TWO-24 is $5995. I would also look at the > Midas Venice, which has the same list price for a 32 channel or the > Allen & Heath GL2800-832, also at the same list price. The Spirit > board that is closer to that $3000 range is the LX7II which has a list > of $2199 for the 24ch and $2659 for the 32ch, or the Soundcraft GB2-24 > or 32 which list for $2899 and $3629 respectively. Thanks for the suggestions. I think we need a 24 channel board. Unfortunately, the prices listed are way out of reach. We may have to try to find a used board, and take a chance on all the problems that such a board might have. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <87e6786e0609210602i2725c346od32eec928e7cd461 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:02:42 -0500 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: Close to home - followup In-Reply-To: References: I know I am looking forward to it. Best, John > P.S. For a fuller explanation of electrical hazards and shock, I would > invite all to attend the Electrical Power class several of us are presenting at > LDI next month. Also, refer to NFPA 70E and OSHA 29 CFR 1910. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004901c6dd7e$e3063350$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Close to home... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:07:26 -0700 Reading June's response, including commentary that this school electrician (custodian, most likely) needs training... well, yes... but will s/he ever get it? Recently, there was a job posting for "Maintenance" in my school district. Here are the Duties/Responsibilities. Check out all the electrical duties, and also the education required. Tell me the likelihood of finding a person who's masterful at ALL of these things. -------------------- Under supervision performs skilled work as a journeyman craftsman in one or more trades in the maintenance, construction, and repair of district buildings, and performs related work as required. DUTIES/ RESPONSIBILITIES: Does major repair or construction duties in repairing and maintaining steam boilers, hot water boilers, and gas furnaces, maintains and repairs pneumatic, electric or electronic control systems, hot and cold water pumps, gas valves, fans, and air compressors; does arc and acetylene welding, steamfitting, electrical work, and plumbing; does overhauling, calibration, adjustments, and replacement of parts; tests boiler water and recommends chemical additives; estimates necessary materials; costs and submits requisitions; maintains records of preventative maintenance; inspects, repairs, installs, services, and maintains electrical systems including conduit and duct systems, light and power circuits, motor appliances, generators, control equipment, switches, switchboards, fans, heaters, fixtures, boilers, bell and buzzer systems, clocks and fire alarm systems; installs necessary interior and exterior wiring for equipment and appliances; wires new and altered buildings; replaces fuses; installs, tests, and maintains intercommunication systems; makes cost estimates and orders materials needed; may occasionally do welding and plumbing operations incidental to electrical duties; does rough and finish carpentry work; performs skilled mill and cabinet work involving construction, finishing, and repairing of buildings, structures, furniture, cabinets and equipment; repairs floors and roofs; hangs doors and door checks; installs and repairs locks; builds forms; cuts and installs window panes; operates planers, shapers, jointers, lathes, band saws, and other woodworking machinery; keeps tools and machinery in good condition; makes drawings and sketches of construction and repair projects; keeps records of materials used; cares for and maintains assigned equipment and motor vehicles as required. EDUCATION: Classes or experience equivalent to completion of the twelfth grade. ----------------------- BTW, the annual salary is approximately $21,000 for this position.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060921131454.41365.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Driving a truck in Manhattan In-Reply-To: I would rather drive a truck in Manhattan than Boston any day of the week. The drivers in both cities are nuts, but at least the streets in Manhattan are sane. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Color Coding Fixtures Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06438463 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > One rainbow progression would be: >=20 > Red - 19 degree (long throw - similar to long wavelength of=20 > light) Yellow - 26 degree Green - 36 degree Blue - 50 degree Which is what I use. Spike tape of the appropriate color applied to the three sides (not the ends) of the gel frame holder...allows you to see the color when the unit is standing on the floor, or hanging in the air (if you're not directly on-axis). ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Driving a truck in Manhattan Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06438477 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Does the information have to be truthful? It appears that=20 > NYPD uses more than it's share of undercover vehicles, many=20 > of them taxis...=20 Taxis aren't considered commercial vehicles in NYS. They're tagged "livery" IIRC. Regarding the comment made that commercial vehicles aren't allowed on NYC or NJ parkways...that's true, but I've never seen a pickup truck (again, with mandated "commercial" tags in NYS) ever pulled over for driving on one. With or without names and other info posted on the side. Up in Niagara Falls, the Robert Moses Parkway also has a "no commercial vehicles allowed" restriction, but I used to drive my commercially-tagged pickup truck all the time on it when commuting to school. I can't count the number of times cops would be passing me with nary a nod in my general direction about the restriction. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:23:49 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan > Manhattan -- Boston >. The drivers in both cities are >nuts, but at least the streets in Manhattan are sane. > >Brian Rice In my wasteful youth, after growing up in NJ and driving into Manhattan many times. I went to college. Then putting my degree to good use, I drove a taxi in Boston. How does that fit in? Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Color Coding Fixtures Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" It's one of those conundrums that makes for endless debates. Gauge/Diameter. Left/Right. Half Full/Empty. Angle/Throw. Normally, we talk about the angle, and most everyone else is coding by angle. And besides, I could use a narrow angle for a short throw to get a very tight spot. And visa-versa. Alf -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:50 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- This seems backwards. A Short Throw lens usually has a Wide angle and a Long Throw lens usually has a Narrow angle. /s/ Richard _____________________________________ > Red is a short/narrow angle - 19 > Green is a long/wide angle - 36 > Yellow is in-between - 26 ________________________________________ > Is there a standard to use when color coding S4 barrels? > Rob Carovillano ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:51:22 -0400 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: OT but impressive - bridge collapse In-Reply-To: References:

On 9/20/06, Zirngibl, Ryan John wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > <<>> > > Me too, I grew up a half hour from there, I swear that construction on > 29 has been going on for 15 years now, when will it ever end? > > Ryan J. Zirngibl My parents are originally from central WI, so I drive right through there, then West on 29 almost every time we go visiting family. It's been kind of interesting to see what's changed every time we head up that way. The downside is that the bypasses they're building around some of the towns along 29 are causing some good restaurants along the old 29 to go out of business. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:51:43 GMT Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures Message-Id: <20060921.065158.8266.531553 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Absolutely. And that is why I used the modifier 'Usually'. /s/ Richard _____________________________ I could use a narrow angle for a short throw to get a very tight spot. And visa-versa. Alf ____________________ This seems backwards. A Short Throw lens usually has a Wide angle and = a Long Throw lens usually has a Narrow angle. /s/ Richard _____________________________________ > Red is a short/narrow angle - 19 > Green is a long/wide angle - 36 > Yellow is in-between - 26 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:56:32 -0400 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Close to home... In-Reply-To: References:

On 9/20/06, Michael de Almeida wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:32 PM, Richard Wright wrote: > > > I think I can win for the Darwin award. > > To win the Darwin Award, you have to die. Technically, I think all you really have to do is remove yourself from the gene pool. Most of the time, Darwin Awards are posthumous but if through sheer stupidity, you somehow manage to render yourself inable to produce offspring, you should still be eligible. Of course, your elegibility for the award may be denied in either case if you've managed to produce offspring before the "award-winning" event transpires, since you've already passed on your genes. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:01:30 GMT Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan Message-Id: <20060921.070216.8266.531616 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> That makes sense. In California, only limousines have 'Livery' plates. There's also a large percentage of 40' 'EXCURSION' & 'HUMMER' limos. = /s/ Richard _________________________ Taxis aren't considered commercial vehicles in NYS. They're tagged "livery" IIRC. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Driving a truck in Manhattan Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:00:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c6dd8e$a392a8b0$6901a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > That makes sense. In California, only limousines have > 'Livery' plates. That would be a deep disappointment to Patrick Henry, who, as all Americans know, said, "Give me livery or give me death." ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: Close to home... jea00321 [at] yahoo.com writes: << This guy obviously doesn't know anything about theatrical lighting fixtures. I'm concerned about what his function is in relation to them and to the students. Does he customarily change lamps when the students aren't doing so? Does he instruct students in maintenance and/or other electrical issues? Because if the answer is even sometimes yes, he needs training, at the very least. >> June brings up an excellent point, and it's also the thrust of Dr. Doom's new book: the VAST majority of HS theatre teachers have not themselves been properly instructed in safety techniques for theatre. So who's going to open a place to train them? I'll help write curriculum! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:39:00 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >Having a Jacob in my garage and it takes 35k volts to make it work >right. Even talent can be a pain in the bum, I wouldn't even put talent >in that distress. Whatcha usin' as a transformer? A reverse pole pig? You may find you can make arc starting easier with the addition of a Gabriel electrode as described on my website. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:53:10 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Close to home - followup References: In-Reply-To: In message , StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes >Since the entry and exit points would have been very close together, it >is possible that the current might not have affected the rest of her >body. But by all means, don't take a chance. Have her completed >checked by a medical professional WHO HAS EXPERIENCE with electrical >shock injury. Often the internal damage is not obvious and can later >lead to serious consequences. The risk of internal injury is only really significant if high current has flowed through the body or a specific limb for enough time to cause internal burning. The internal bleeding scenario described might not have been related or may have been caused by a violent involuntary muscle contraction or even have been an existing condition (ulcer?) that was aggravated by the stress associated with a shock. Power-line workers often lose limbs some time after the actual shock event due to internal tissue death resulting in internal complications. But they usually get very high current blasts due to the voltage they are working with. Like this..... http://www.metacafe.com/watch/233533/shocking_surprise/ Not something you want to try out for yourself. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:37:31 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: PLASA 06. References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Dorian Kelly writes >>Did you see Le Maitre's new faux flame effect? >>Pretty simple principle, but MAN was it effective! >>Fast dissipating fog juice fed to a series of small outlets on a 3 or 4 foot >>wide unit. behind them was a row of dichroic bubbles with a split red/amber >>coloured gel mount. >>http://www.lemaitre.co.uk/ProductDescription.asp?idxProduct=90&idxCategory=1 > > >I thought it looked awful, too even, no variations in flame height, no >dancing. It might be all right on brief longish shots as a window >effect. Maybe if they put a rotating disc in front of some of the light >sources? It looked exactly like a huge long ribbon burner. I'm sure you could add to the lighting to give it variety. Even a bit of air turbulence might give an interesting effect. Maybe a rotating diverter just above the haze outlet could be used to divert the haze outlet in random directions along the length. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:45:51 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Close to home - followup References: In-Reply-To: In message , StevevETTrn [at] aol.com writes >I worked at a college once upon a time where the campus "licensed" >electrician informed me that the only way to get the "bulbs" out of the >auditorium stage lights was to pry out the retaining ring first. > >He had no clue about the design and function of medium prefocus lamps. I guess if nobody told him he probably had to guess. Unlike "theatre" electricians "licensed" electricians have a whole lot more gear to learn about and repair, and often they have to work it out for themselves. I presume you showed him the correct procedure? Did anyone spot the interesting new lamp base Philips were showing at PLASA? It allowed easy rear entry insertion of the lamp and looked like it had a good contact system too. It was very easy to grip and insert/remove the lamp even with fairly big fingers. Their new range of compact discharge lamps looked quite neat too, although you do get a bit suspicious when dealing with such high power ratings in such tiny sizes. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:18:01 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Close to home... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jon Ares writes >Under supervision performs skilled work as a journeyman craftsman in >one or more trades in the maintenance, construction, and repair of >district buildings, and performs related work as required. > >DUTIES/ RESPONSIBILITIES: Does major repair or construction duties in >repairing and maintaining steam boilers, hot water boilers, and gas >furnaces, maintains and repairs pneumatic, electric or electronic >control systems, hot and cold water pumps, gas valves, fans, and air >compressors; does arc and acetylene welding, steamfitting, electrical >work, and plumbing; does overhauling, calibration, adjustments, and >replacement of parts; tests boiler water and recommends chemical >additives; estimates necessary materials; costs and submits >requisitions; maintains records of preventative maintenance; inspects, >repairs, installs, services, and maintains electrical systems including >conduit and duct systems, light and power circuits, motor appliances, >generators, control equipment, switches, switchboards, fans, heaters, >fixtures, boilers, bell and buzzer systems, clocks and fire alarm >systems; installs necessary interior and exterior wiring for equipment >and appliances; wires new and altered buildings; replaces fuses; >installs, tests, and maintains intercommunication systems; makes cost >estimates and orders materials needed; may occasionally do welding and >plumbing operations incidental to electrical duties; does rough and >finish carpentry work; performs skilled mill and cabinet work involving >construction, finishing, and repairing of buildings, structures, >furniture, cabinets and equipment; repairs floors and roofs; hangs >doors and door checks; installs and repairs locks; builds forms; cuts >and installs window panes; operates planers, shapers, jointers, lathes, >band saws, and other woodworking machinery; keeps tools and machinery >in good condition; makes drawings and sketches of construction and >repair projects; keeps records of materials used; cares for and >maintains assigned equipment and motor vehicles as required. >EDUCATION: Classes or experience equivalent to completion of the >twelfth grade. >----------------------- >BTW, the annual salary is approximately $21,000 for this position.... Why does the name Stuart Wheaton immediately spring to mind. :) In reality they are NEVER going to get someone who has real experience and qualification in every area. It's almost like the unwritten job description for employees of "facilities management" companies who will basically employ anyone who thinks they can do it. This is invariably the type of dangerous dabbler who would rather take a guess or short out a limit switch than admit that they didn't know the correct way to do something. As you can imagine they leave a bit of a technical nightmare behind them. This problem is currently rife in the UK with every general purpose contractor cashing in on the current trend. Worse still, the people who work with them get enough of an idea to pass themselves off as tradesmen despite glaring and dangerous gaps in their knowledge. Scary. Low technical ability and matching wages. It's the future. :) On a positive note I do know guys who could handle the above job description well and aren't afraid to ask for advice if they don't understand something. They have admirable technical skills. And strangely enough they always have beards???? (Not sure why that is.) (I think it's a blue-collar bear thing.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:06:26 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Close to home... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >Mitch, How come your always right on this type of thing? Well while we're on the subject of technical analysis of electric shock hazards I'll drop the "D" word again. Defibrillators are no longer a thing for operating theatres and ambulances. They are relatively cheap and fully automated devices that talk the operator through the whole process. Big manufacturers like Philips sell units like "Heart Start" that can not only be used for health induced heart failure, but also for restarting a heart after a shock or other accident has occurred. The modern units are very affordable and so simple to use a child can be taught to operate one in a matter of minutes. Even someone who has never used one before could have success thanks to electrode positioning being printed on the backs of the electrodes and a spoken talk through by the machine as the treatment progresses. The units actively monitor what is left of the heart beat and will only administer a pulse if it's needed or the heart beat may be recoverable. The analyse the waveform of the heart and apply the pulse at EXACTLY the right point to increase the chance of a successful recovery. Maybe it's time that school had one. Maybe it's time your theatre had one. I'm sure we discussed defibrillators before and there was concern that lawyers were cashing in on liability if the use of one failed to save a life. I think it's better to try, since the chance of recovering a heartbeat by CPR alone is very low and the chances of survival decrease dramatically by the second. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4512770902000029000011BF [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:27:05 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Close to home... References: In-Reply-To: Who is going to volunteer to take the training? I'm a plant manager/head = custodian myself. I was only involved with our theatre program because I = was acting TD even before I was employed by the district. I resigned from = the TD position a year-and-a-half ago and it took the district that long = to find a replacement. Getting people to help with the program here is = like pulling teeth. And then ask them to take additional training... But I = guess the grass roots effort needs to start somewhere. Les Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> 9/21/06 11:12:30 AM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- jea00321 [at] yahoo.com writes: << This guy obviously doesn't know anything about theatrical lighting=20 fixtures. I'm concerned about what his function is in relation to them = and to the=20 students. Does he customarily change lamps when the students aren't doing = so?=20 Does he instruct students in maintenance and/or other electrical = issues?=20 Because if the answer is even sometimes yes, he needs training, at the = very=20 least. >> June brings up an excellent point, and it's also the thrust of Dr. = Doom's=20 new book: the VAST majority of HS theatre teachers have not themselves = been=20 properly instructed in safety techniques for theatre.=20 =20 So who's going to open a place to train them? I'll help write curriculum! =20 Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0609210831j55395a3cwd9f621316e44c6a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:31:50 -0400 From: SS Subject: Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan Yes, commerical vehicles are not allowed on Parkways in NY/NJ. In Manahattan this does include FDR and Henry Hudson. Yes, pick-up trucks, and vans (other than of the mini variety) do have commercial plates. And yes, they are supposed to have some sort of "business jargon" on the side representing its commercial nature. I do indeed know a gentlemen from Long Island who did courier work around Metro NYC who got ticketed in lower Manhattan for not having his "company name", "address", and "phone number" on the side of his pick-up. And yes, you are correct (whoever posted originally)...taxis, both Yellow Cab and private, hold "livery" plates. Concurring with Uncle Bill and the others, driving in Manahattan is nothing to be afraid of. It can be quite the thrill. So many people are scared and I don't know why. It's just like anywhere else, just more damn people to hit! Honestly, I can count the number of accidents I have seen in NYC over my entire lifetime on one hand. Compared to say...South Florida where I used to see 5, during my 7 minute drive to work...daily!! -SS TTS-EKU "Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013001c6dd93$767de150$0e00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References:

Subject: Re: Sound board for a theatre Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:34:09 +0100 "Bill Nelson" wrote: >> The list on the SERIES-TWO-24 is $5995. I would also look at the >> Midas Venice, which has the same list price for a 32 channel or the >> Allen & Heath GL2800-832, also at the same list price. The Spirit >> board that is closer to that $3000 range is the LX7II which has a list >> of $2199 for the 24ch and $2659 for the 32ch, or the Soundcraft GB2-24 >> or 32 which list for $2899 and $3629 respectively. > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > I think we need a 24 channel board. Unfortunately, the prices listed are > way out of reach. We may have to try to find a used board, and take a > chance on all the problems that such a board might have. Take a look at the yamaha MG range, they have a 24 channel board for $899 http://www.worldmusicsupply.com/pro-audio/audio-mixers/Yamaha/MG24-14FX.asp I haven't use one of these, but had a good look over one of them at an exhibition, and they look reasonably solidly built to me. Certainly inspires more confidence than than the Mackie and Behringer equivalents. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060921083549.022c82b0 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:36:47 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: reaction to Station Club Fire pleas A news article has been sent to you by: theatresafe [at] earthlink.net courtesy of myEarthLink News Families Outraged by R.I. Club Pleas http://my.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20060921/45120e40_3ca6_1552620060921183873761 here is a link to the latest article Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Marc Palmer" > One place I worked colored the tubes with the same > color as ETC uses to ID the lenses < ETC identifies the actual glass lenses with dots of paint, but does not color-code the lens tubes anywhere on the casting. Their code for the original four similar lenses is 19-Red, 26-Black, 36-None, 50-Yellow. This coding was adapted for use on the castings by a number of rental companies as=20 19-Red=20 26-Blue (not black, but you can see it on the black casting) 36-White (just like no-color, but distinctly different than unmarked) 50-Yellow. In the NY area, this code is used by PRG as neat paint marks in the color clip recess, and by 4Wall as spray-painted on up to three sides of the front portion of the lens tube - one's more readable from the ground, one looks cleaner.=20 It's helpful if the tubes are easily identifiable without touching or looking directly at the lens - after they're installed in fixtures - to speed handling and the hang process. Marking *only* the yokes will get you in trouble unless lens-tube swapping is impossible for some reason. Common practice in some NY-area shops is to write the wattage and lens type on the top of the yoke in white China Marker, for quick ID when the fixtures are newly prepped. The China Marker is easy to remove (or paint over) when the tube is changed. Now that there are Enhanced Definition Lens Tubes available, ETC has expanded their lens-glass color-coding system to include brown, green, blue and purple - some with multiple dots - it's a bit more confusing. The blue sticker will fall off the EDLTs eventually, and the shops will have to figure out a reliable way to identify those as well.=20 Thankfully the 14, 70 and 90deg tubes have distinct shapes, as do the 5 and 10deg, so they shouldn't require color coding. Check out ETC's current lens color codes at their website, links below: http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/manuals/S4_Lens_Tube_Produ ct_Update.pdf http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/14_70_90_Lens_Tube_UM_Supp lement.pdf Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:34 -0500 Subject: Teacher curriculum From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: What is the ideal curriculum for theatre teachers. I have argued this with my colleagues who feel script analysis, 2 directing, 2 acting, movement, etc but only stagecraft, 1 design course and education courses in the program. Add to that the state mandating a maximum of 120 hours in a degree program, education included. Ye haw, welcome to Texas Phil Johnson On 9/21/06 10:12 AM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > So who's going to open a place to train them? I'll help write curriculum! > > Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512B61C.8010605 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:56:12 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Close to home... References: In-Reply-To: June Abernathy wrote: Maybe they have a "YES! Put my kid > in an ambulance and call me later! And it's On ME!" > form that you can fill out for them to have on file. > (Is there such a thing? Wouldn't it be cool?) > I have filled out one of these for each of my kids at every school they attended, including college. It basically absolves the school of any "legal" responsibility, since you agree to all the procedures. If the school doesn't have one already (often they require it) make one up and give it to them. It also should list all your emergency numbers including doctors, hospitals, and some even have religion (if you don't want medical aid at all, for example). This is not a bad thing to have even for adult employees, since they may be incapacitated and can't give you information or permission. Chip ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <460e349059392e77073dba8705e52124 [at] goldrushbc.com> From: Richard Wright Subject: Re: Close to home... Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:05:00 -0700 I guess I am out then as I produced two sons (both of whom are a lot smarter than me) after my electrifying experience. Oh well Richard > On 9/20/06, Michael de Almeida wrote: >> >> On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:32 PM, Richard Wright wrote: >> >> > I think I can win for the Darwin award. >> >> To win the Darwin Award, you have to die. > > Technically, I think all you really have to do is remove yourself from > the gene pool. Most of the time, Darwin Awards are posthumous but if > through sheer stupidity, you somehow manage to render yourself inable > to produce offspring, you should still be eligible. Of course, your > elegibility for the award may be denied in either case if you've > managed to produce offspring before the "award-winning" event > transpires, since you've already passed on your genes. > > Kurt > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512B87E.8050902 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:06:22 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan References: In-Reply-To: b Ricie wrote: > I would rather drive a truck in Manhattan than Boston > any day of the week. The drivers in both cities are > nuts, but at least the streets in Manhattan are sane. > Boston is the only city I will not drive a rental car. I take cabs. I have driven rental cars in most every big city from London, Paris, NYC, Cairo, to Tokyo, but not Boston. Once was enough. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512BAA3.8070405 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:15:31 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan References: In-Reply-To: SS wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yes, commerical vehicles are not allowed on Parkways in NY/NJ. > In Manahattan this does include FDR and Henry Hudson. > > Yes, pick-up trucks, and vans (other than of the mini variety) do have > commercial plates. And yes, they are supposed to have some sort of > "business jargon" on the side representing its commercial nature. I do > indeed know a gentlemen from Long Island who did courier work around > Metro NYC who got ticketed in lower Manhattan for not having his > "company name", "address", and "phone number" on the side of his > pick-up. > > And yes, you are correct (whoever posted originally)...taxis, both > Yellow Cab and private, hold "livery" plates. > > Concurring with Uncle Bill and the others, driving in Manahattan is > nothing to be afraid of. It can be quite the thrill. So many people > are scared and I don't know why. It's just like anywhere else, just > more damn people to hit! > > Honestly, I can count the number of accidents I have seen in NYC over > my entire lifetime on one hand. Compared to say...South Florida where > I used to see 5, during my 7 minute drive to work...daily!! > > > -SS > TTS-EKU > "Short summary of every Jewish holiday: They tried to kill us, we won, > let's eat." > So you survived I-95? When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale and Boca I would see about 5-6 examples of "stupid" drivers a day. Since I moved to ph ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:19:30 GMT Subject: Re: Close to home... Message-Id: <20060921.091955.15672.467636 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> This is not an exaggeration. They REALLY are that simple to use even = for a child, and take less co-ordination than a 'Game-boy'. Being = able to read English is NOT a requirement. There would not be such an = ever-increasing installed base if they posed a significant liability = to manufacturers, building owners, or other institutions that install = them in public places after consulting with their lawyers. The public = could misuse the fire extinguishers hung next to the defibrillators = on the wall, but that's no reason to take down the fire extinguishers. /s/ Richard _________________________________ The modern units are very affordable and so simple to use a child can = be taught to operate one in a matter of minutes. Even someone who = has never used one before could have success thanks to electrode = positioning being printed on the backs of the electrodes and a spoken = talk through by the machine as the treatment progresses. The units actively monitor what is left of the heart beat and will = only administer a pulse if it's needed or the heart beat may be = recoverable. The analyse the waveform of the heart and apply the = pulse at EXACTLY the right point to increase the chance of a = successful recovery. I'm sure we discussed defibrillators before and there was concern that lawyers were cashing in on liability if the use of one failed to save = a life. I think it's better to try, since the chance of recovering a = heartbeat by CPR alone is very low and the chances of survival = decrease dramatically by the second. Clive Mitchell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512BE0A.2040503 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:30:02 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Driving a Truck in Manahattan References:

In-Reply-To: >> Honestly, I can count the number of accidents I have seen in NYC over >> my entire lifetime on one hand. Compared to say...South Florida where >> I used to see 5, during my 7 minute drive to work...daily!! Sorry, still have not mastered this new laptop keyboard. Somehow I am hitting "send" accidentally, weird. Anyway- So you survived I-95? When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale and Boca I would see 5-6 examples of "stupid" drivers a day. Since I moved to Phoenix that is down to 5-6 a month. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:37:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Close to home... In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060921093630.01f8ccb8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 06:07 AM 9/21/2006, Jon Ares wrote: >Reading June's response, including commentary that this school >electrician (custodian, most likely) needs training... well, yes... >but will s/he ever get it? I just saw an article that says Santa Clara County (were I live and work) will have a $200+ million shortfall in the 2008 fiscal year and will be cutting back a LOT on medical and other "preventative" services. Training? In the near future the kids may need to bring their own brooms to clean out the classroom. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Teacher curriculum Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:47:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c6dd9d$a06a1ab0$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root> In-Reply-To: Are we talking curriculum for teachers to teach or to have been taught? Are they high school or college level teachers? If college B.A. or B.F.A.? I don't know that I'll have the answers, but I was confused by the question. I'm inferring college curriculum, and the biggest gap I see in what you mentioned is no hands on part of the production season type course (practicum/lab). Usually these turn out to be one credit hour (because they are lab) to make them all fit in the degree plan, but require a great deal more commitment from the student than that one credit hour would seem to imply. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Philip Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Teacher curriculum For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- What is the ideal curriculum for theatre teachers. I have argued this with my colleagues who feel script analysis, 2 directing, 2 acting, movement, etc but only stagecraft, 1 design course and education courses in the program. Add to that the state mandating a maximum of 120 hours in a degree program, education included. Ye haw, welcome to Texas Phil Johnson On 9/21/06 10:12 AM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > So who's going to open a place to train them? I'll help write curriculum! > > Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <4a9.79a2cb00.3244200d [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:04:13 EDT Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu writes: << Are we talking curriculum for teachers to teach or to have been taught? Are they high school or college level teachers? If college B.A. or B.F.A.? >> I'm thinking of a continuing-ed kind of thing that would be able to be used for teacher credential renewal, though I wouldn't limit it to in-service teachers. At most secondary schools, the drama program is taught by someone with an English degree who may have acted in a couple of plays in college - if that. At many smaller schools in WI the choir director is also the drama director. BA vs. BFA is just an academic argument (pun intended). The idea is to have some offerings that will make HS teachers aware of the safety issues and teach them how to teach their students. Pre-service drama/theatre teachers should get safety training as part of their stagecraft classes. Hmmm... have to think about this some more... Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:16:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: To restate the question. In a university setting teaching theatre, we have a program in Acting/ Directing, Design/ Tech and Teacher Certification. Each area has requisite courses in theatre and a focus in their specific area. With teacher cert, I am asking what courses should we be teaching to future teachers. We really can't talk just about design and tech courses with this discussion as we have to include the other courses as well. Add to this requirements from college of education and state requirements of 120 hrs maximum, you can see my problem. Here's what we do. Acting 1 & 2 Directing 1 Script analysis Voice and Diction Makeup Costume Construction Stagecraft Theatre History 1 [at] 2 Colleagues want Movement creative dramatics Acting 3 Directing 2 I had to create 2 courses to supplement this. 1. principles of Design, - Really a design 1 course but has to cover Set, lighting and costume 2. Collaboration - Adv design. We form design teams and each student rotates through each duty. Mixed class of designer, technicians, actors and directors And that is the teacher cert program as it stands. For Design and tech areas for future teachers, what courses are essential? We used to have the more traditional types of courses for our teacher cert students Set design Lighting Design Costume Design In our program we also offer these, Drafting & rendering - Hand techniques Drafting & Rendering - computer techniques Technical Direction Theatre problems or projects See the problem, not enough room in the curriculum with a 48 hr core, language requirement and 27 hrs ( 9 courses ) hours of education courses. The question is, how do you squeeze enough courses into a limit amount of hours? What are other people doing? Any help appreciated and I am sorry for the long post. -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2a6.7d9dbb00.324429f8 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:32 EDT Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures In a message dated 21/09/06 14:35:09 GMT Daylight Time, Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org writes: > It's one of those conundrums that makes for endless debates. > Gauge/Diameter. Left/Right. Half Full/Empty. Angle/Throw. Normally, we > talk about the angle, and most everyone else is coding by angle. And > besides, I could use a narrow angle for a short throw to get a very > tight spot. And visa-versa. There is another answer. Use varifocal (zoom) lanterns. With these, the beam angle is what you tell it to be, within limits. True, they are heavier, and the optics marginally less efficient. This last is to some extent outweighed by the fact that you probably don't have to pus the shutteres in so far. They seem not to have caught on in the US, but they are popular in the UK for many applications. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Sound Guy Boot Camp (Was:RE: Teacher curriculum) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C314 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" So, it's that time of year again, when the leaves begin to fall and a = young man's thoughts turn to the training of new squeeks... I did a two-hour introductory session this morning with my new freshman = sound guy wannabes. My day 1 stuff includes: A tour of the facility, including where specific items are stored A run-down of our basic sound inventory, and identifying different types = of mics, cables, etc. Over-under cable coiling Setting up and cabling a boom stand properly (my way) Using the patch panel Powering the FOH board and amps up/down A basic tour of a channel strip By this point their eyes have typically glazed over, indicating that = their brains are full. We save everything else for subsequent sessions. I was just curious what programs others have developed to train new = sound guys. Does anyone have a written curriculum or guide? Cheers, Randy Storms, TD Bellingham High School Theatre Bellingham, WA rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:59:03 EDT Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum _Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu_ (mailto:Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu) writes: << I am asking what courses should we be teaching to future teachers. >> AH! OK.. First of all... in most places teacher certification in performing arts needs means taking more classes than other majors, so don't feel bad about that. Look at what other colleges in your state require. From what you said, I'm guessing that the PTB want kids to be able to get the degree in 4 years. The creative dramatics and movement classes would be VERY helpful to a teacher, as would extra training in how to direct/teach theatre (theatre pedagogy). The acting classes beyond the first one and costume construction are probably not as helpful. I can't think of any HS director other than myself who does construction - most rely on moms and rental houses. I'd also drop the makeup class and fold that into your Principles of Design course. Again - the basics are fairly easy and anything more advanced means the teacher should be calling in some help. Think "demonstrate skill" rather than "complete course hours". HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:07:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I recall that UW-SP had a very strong Theatre Ed program that sent well trained CERTIFIED teachers into the schools of WI. Is that no longer the case. NY only recently included certification in theatre ed as a state approved concentration. There are a couple of SUNY schools that turn out BAs for this purpose. We are not one of them. Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia On 9/21/06 1:04 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At most secondary schools, the drama program is taught by someone with an > English degree who may have acted in a couple of plays in college - if that. > At > many smaller schools in WI the choir director is also the drama director. BA > vs. BFA is just an academic argument (pun intended). The idea is to have > some offerings that will make HS teachers aware of the safety issues and > teach > them how to teach their students. > > Pre-service drama/theatre teachers should get safety training as part of > their stagecraft classes. > > Hmmm... have to think about this some more... > > Kristi > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <87e6786e0609211138y5498fb1dkd216f9e2bfcbe13c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:38:23 -0500 From: "John Penisten" Subject: Re: Sound Guy Boot Camp (Was:RE: Teacher curriculum) In-Reply-To: References: Please post this on list, or include me in your recipients. I am currently working with three high schools and while I have my own routine (which seems pretty similar to Randy's) I would love any further input. Thank you, John On 9/21/06, Storms, Randy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So, it's that time of year again, when the leaves begin to fall and a young man's thoughts turn to the training of new squeeks... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:41:58 -0500 Subject: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings, Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum has presented? What did you think? I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) I have also ordered his book as recommended to me by a friend but it is currently lost in shipping. Any thoughts? Thanks. Greg Persinger ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:40:15 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Close to home... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Richard Wright writes >I guess I am out then as I produced two sons (both of whom are a lot >smarter than me) after my electrifying experience. Maybe you've produced super charged electro babies. :P -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:06:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jay does an excellent job. He's been around the block more than once or twice and his sessions reflect his experiences. He has plenty of information packed into the day as well as lots of stories and stuff. For you theatre riggers out there, his session would be the place to be. Now, for you arena folks, I trust you are aware that I, along with my good friend Eddie Raymond, are also doing a session at LDI. It's an all day affair on Wednesday 10/18. I believe they are limiting the class to 50 people so, if you're interested in attending you might not want to wait too long. And no, I do not know how much the session costs, but I do believe you will get your money's worth. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/21/06 2:41 PM, "Greg Persinger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings, > > Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum > has presented? > > What did you think? > > I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for > opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) > > I have also ordered his book as recommended to me by a friend but it is > currently lost in shipping. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Greg Persinger > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:39:05 -0500 Subject: Bill Sapsis' LDI Arena rigging Seminar From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For those interested in Bill's class it is $350 if you register by tomorrow (9/22/06) and $450 after that until the class is full. The class is happening at LDI in Las Vegas. You can register at www.ldishow.com Greg Persinger On 9/21/06 2:06 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jay does an excellent job. He's been around the block more than once or > twice and his sessions reflect his experiences. He has plenty of > information packed into the day as well as lots of stories and stuff. For > you theatre riggers out there, his session would be the place to be. > > Now, for you arena folks, I trust you are aware that I, along with my good > friend Eddie Raymond, are also doing a session at LDI. It's an all day > affair on Wednesday 10/18. I believe they are limiting the class to 50 > people so, if you're interested in attending you might not want to wait too > long. And no, I do not know how much the session costs, but I do believe > you will get your money's worth. > > Thanks > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > On 9/21/06 2:41 PM, "Greg Persinger" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greetings, >> >> Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum >> has presented? >> >> What did you think? >> >> I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for >> opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) >> >> I have also ordered his book as recommended to me by a friend but it is >> currently lost in shipping. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg Persinger >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200609211947.k8LJlBw07492 [at] broadway.hevanet.com> From: jonares [at] hevanet.com Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:47:11 GMT > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu writes: > << Are we talking curriculum for teachers to teach or to have been taught? > Are they high school or college level teachers? If college B.A. or B.F.A.? >> > > I'm thinking of a continuing-ed kind of thing that would be able to be used > for teacher credential renewal, though I wouldn't limit it to in-service > teachers. > Hmm.... yeah... I just don't know how well it would fly... teachers are terribly over-worked, and horribly under-paid. Every teacher I know (including myself) has a serious difficulty getting one more thing on the plate. I've just recently been through a bunch of (paid) safety and equipment training with new facilities -- and I'm intimately involved in the operation of the theatres, so I was paying attention, but other teachers who were told they had to have the training could have cared less, and really felt this was a pain in their collective posterior - end felt they needed to spend their precious 'inservice' time prepping for daily classes. -- Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512F009.5020206 [at] fieldmousepro.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:03:21 -0500 From: Stephen Lee Subject: Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar References: In-Reply-To: Greg Persinger wrote: > Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum > has presented? Although I didn't hear his entire lecture, I looked in for a few minutes during a talk he gave at the '97(?) LDI in Phoenix. He was a great presenter, kept things interesting, and you could really feel his love for what he does. If I could justify the expense (over the many other things I'd like to do), I'd do it in a heartbeat. I didn't hear any of the math stuff. I know there's a basic requirement for math skills; I think it's listed on the seminar website. -- Stephen Lee Fieldmouse Productions Today's location: Houston, TX ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:09:58 -0700 I attended Jay's two-day seminar at USITT back in Long Beach, and it was the single most valuable learning experience I've ever had. I highly recommend it. --James Feinberg San Diego, CA On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Greg Persinger wrote: > Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. > Glerum > has presented? > > What did you think? > > I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for > opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:16:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I attended the pre-conference event he did a few years back at USITT. 2 days long and I highly recommend it. His book is very good and he covers a lot of similar stuff in both. But live is definitely better. Merel Ray-Pfeifer TD Cent. Mich. Univ. Mt Pleasant, MI On 9/21/06 2:41 PM, "Greg Persinger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings, > > Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum > has presented? > > What did you think? > > I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for > opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) > > I have also ordered his book as recommended to me by a friend but it is > currently lost in shipping. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks. > > Greg Persinger > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4512F395.60009 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:18:29 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum References: In-Reply-To: Philip Johnson wrote: > Acting 1 & 2 > Directing 1 > Script analysis > Voice and Diction > Makeup > Costume Construction > Stagecraft > Theatre History 1 [at] 2 > Movement > creative dramatics > Acting 3 > Directing 2 > 1. principles of Design, - Really a design 1 course but has to cover > Set, lighting and costume > > 2. Collaboration - Adv design. We form design teams and each student > rotates through each duty. Mixed class of designer, technicians, actors and > directors > Set design > Lighting Design > Costume Design > Drafting & rendering - Hand techniques > Drafting & Rendering - computer techniques > Technical Direction > Theatre problems or projects > Hate to throw another log on this fire, but nowhere did you mention sound, either design or tech. I guess if there isn't a Tony category for it, it doesn't exist. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:34:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Jay O. Glerum LDI rigging Seminar From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I would second Bill's comments. I have been to several workshops at which Jay was presenting and his approach is straightforward, clear, and very useful. I use his book with quite some regularity. Also, for those of you who might be considering USITT in Phoenix in Mid-March, Bill and Rocky Poulson will be doing a one-day pre-conference workshop on speaker rigging. Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia On 9/21/06 3:06 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jay does an excellent job. He's been around the block more than once or > twice and his sessions reflect his experiences. He has plenty of > information packed into the day as well as lots of stories and stuff. For > you theatre riggers out there, his session would be the place to be. > > Now, for you arena folks, I trust you are aware that I, along with my good > friend Eddie Raymond, are also doing a session at LDI. It's an all day > affair on Wednesday 10/18. I believe they are limiting the class to 50 > people so, if you're interested in attending you might not want to wait too > long. And no, I do not know how much the session costs, but I do believe > you will get your money's worth. > > Thanks > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > On 9/21/06 2:41 PM, "Greg Persinger" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greetings, >> >> Has anyone on the list ever attended a rigging seminar that Jay O. Glerum >> has presented? >> >> What did you think? >> >> I am looking at attending his rigging seminar at LDI and am looking for >> opinions. (surely someone on this list has one) >> >> I have also ordered his book as recommended to me by a friend but it is >> currently lost in shipping. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg Persinger >> >> > > ------------------------------ Subject: FW: Yamaha AW1600 help? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C31B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Anyone familiar with the inner workings of the AW1600? =20 Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:10:22 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Close to home... In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060921140919.01f25180 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 09:05 AM 9/21/2006, Richard Wright wrote: >I guess I am out then as I produced two sons (both of whom are a lot >smarter than me) after my electrifying experience. Does it count if your only kid didn't get old enough to reproduce (yes, for much too short a time there was a mini-me many years ago). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:17:29 -0700 Just a neon xmer out of a sign, 2 10 foot 1/2 light wall EMT conduit couple pieces of wood to keep the conduit off concrete floor. Is all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Mitchell" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Whatcha usin' as a transformer? A reverse pole pig? > > You may find you can make arc starting easier with the addition of a > Gabriel electrode as described on my website. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:31:37 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: God of Hell Blue Flashes References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Occy writes >Just a neon xmer out of a sign, 2 10 foot 1/2 light wall EMT conduit >couple pieces of wood to keep the conduit off concrete floor. Is all. Maximum neon transformer voltage in the USA is 15kV. Check out the design on my site for a nice neat Jacob's Ladder. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980609211453o279f7a33he53d100a511a1733 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:53:44 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum In-Reply-To: References:

recently, I've been doing a lot of work with the New York City Department of Education toward training their theater teachersin the ways of the dark side. As has been mentioned in this thread previously, most of the attendees are general theater teachers with little design and or stagecraft experience. For those that are interested, I had posted the week's activities on my www.stageseminars.com website. The site includes links to my wonderful faculty and our generous sponsors. Many of my faculty and sponsors are frequent visitors to this particular mailing list. the weeklong technical theater intensive was held here at Pace University this past August. we had somewhere around 43 theater teachers in attendance for over 30 hours of intensive training. After completion of the course, each teacher was allowed to choose a technical theater equipment package to take back to their individual schools. This included a small lighting package, a small sound equipment package, or, a set of hand and power tools that allowed them to have a mobile scene shop, of sorts. Funding for this thing came from a rather large commercial theater producing organization here in New York. I'm not sure they wish their name known: suffice it to say that they have their own alley just off Broadway. a particularly valuable document regarding teaching technical theater and design to students ranging from the second grade through the twelfth grade: http://stageseminars.com/images/stories/docs/selectpagesfromnycdoethtrblueprint.pdf this file is a cut and paste job from a larger document regarding teaching theater in general. I would be happy to get more information to anyone interested. In fact, I've been working on making this type of seminar marketable to school districts outside of New York. Thanks for the bandwidth. take care, Scott > On 9/21/06 10:12 AM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > > > So who's going to open a place to train them? I'll help write curriculum! > > > > Kristi > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:30:54 EDT Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum In a message dated 21/09/06 21:19:31 GMT Daylight Time, chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com writes: > Hate to throw another log on this fire, but nowhere did you mention > sound, either design or tech. I guess if there isn't a Tony category > for it, it doesn't exist. Nor does any other serious aspect of theatre technology, or, indeed, health and safety. If and when the kids get jobs out there, on the lowest level they need to be aware of these topics. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Teacher curriculum From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Now you see my problem. I include basic sound in stagecraft, principles of design could cover it. That is a big ouch, not enough room as it is, now we need to add a sound design class too. Phil Johnson On 9/21/06 3:18 PM, "Chip Wood" wrote: > Hate to throw another log on this fire, but nowhere did you mention > sound, either design or tech. I guess if there isn't a Tony category > for it, it doesn't exist. > > Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45132806.6000201 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:02:14 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Close to home... References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > Why does the name Stuart Wheaton immediately spring to mind. :) > I do NOT do other people's plumbing! Or my own if I can afford it. Did somebody say roofs? Forget it. Oh Yeah, I don't even get out of bed for $21,000 a year! But on the plus side, doesn't look like a job you'd get bored with! ;-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45134205.6040100 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:53:09 -0400 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan References:

In-Reply-To: Chip Wood wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > b Ricie wrote: > >> I would rather drive a truck in Manhattan than Boston >> any day of the week. The drivers in both cities are >> nuts, but at least the streets in Manhattan are sane. > >> > Boston is the only city I will not drive a rental car. I take cabs. I > have driven rental cars in most every big city from London, Paris, NYC, > Cairo, to Tokyo, but not Boston. Once was enough. > > Chip > > > While I, a Boston area native driver, drove in NYC a couple of times, and swore never, ever to subject myself to such abuse and danger ever again. I've happily used the Tappen Zee bridge when I have to drive down that way ever since. G-damn Manhattan drivers cut me off and forced me to drive across the same bridge four times when I was trying to escape back to the relative sanity and safety of New Jersey. Boston is laid out strange, but it's total size is so small that all you have to do is stay on the same street for several blocks, and you end up at the harbor. The other thing is nothing in Boston is more than a $10-15 cab ride away. The city proper is rather tiny, and could easily fit in to one of the isolated corners of the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. Washington DC is also really hard until you grok all the patterns to the street names, then it becomes rather easy to memorize the dozen or so exceptions. The oddness is nothing compared to driving in one of the old European cities. The only time I was truly convinced I was going to die because of the recklessness of the driver was riding in a taxi in Naples. There is a reason that the Italian police carry machine guns. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060921205727.01fa1158 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:21:40 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Close to home... In-Reply-To: References: On 9/21/2006, "Occy" wrote: >Mitch, How come your always right on this type of thing? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mitch Hefter" > > > > > > I posted the following about 1 year ago. > > --------- > > From the USITT Electrical Safety Workshops (derived from multiple > > sources): Thank you for the kind words. I guess it's the engineer in me. I got the first of multiple sources on shock in my Engineering Lab class in college. Then research and learning from others. Work on the NEC since 1980, learning on the job, etc., etc. And a very understanding family. As Steve Vanciel noted, we are doing another USITT Electrical Workshop at LDI this year, and will also be doing one at the USITT Annual Conference and Stage Expo in Phoenix March of 2007. Our first Electrical workshop was in 1991, and we have been holding them annually since 2001. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Office: Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.vari-lite.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:21:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You gotta try Taipei at rush hour. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee On 9/21/06 9:53 PM, "Dale farmer" wrote: > The oddness is nothing compared to driving in one of the old European > cities. The only time I was truly convinced I was going to die because > of the recklessness of the driver was riding in a taxi in Naples. There > is a reason that the Italian police carry machine guns. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <451355A3.5090109 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:16:51 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan References:

In-Reply-To: Dale farmer wrote: > The only time I was truly convinced I was going to die because > of the recklessness of the driver was riding in a taxi in Naples. I did that last week! I was amazed at how there just seemed to be a space whenever the guy needed it! Probably the power of the plastic Jesus on the dashboard. Unlike the states, nobody had to prove anything, they actually yielded to people driving like idiots instead of trying to force them to comply with the traffic rules. I wished I had a video camera, but if I showed the video to my mom or girlfriend I would never be allowed to go back! Stuart ------------------------------ From: StevevETTrn [at] aol.com Message-ID: <24b.10c08465.3244b336 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:32:06 EDT Subject: Re: Close to home - followup clive writes: >I presume you showed him the correct procedure? Why yes. And we had a jolly good time replacing all the damaged sockets. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060922135145.03590520 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:02:27 +1000 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Driving a truck in Manhattan In-Reply-To: References:

At 13:16 22.09.2006, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >I did that last week! I was amazed at how there just seemed to be >a space whenever the guy needed it! Probably the power of the >plastic Jesus on the dashboard. Unlike the states, nobody had to >prove anything, they actually yielded to people driving like idiots >instead of trying to force them to comply with the traffic rules. This is reminiscent of the situation I found in Kuala Lumpur. Everybody drives like idiots: without exception. But everyone seems to accept that, and doesn't try to prove ownership of the road. If someone barges in front of you, you let them do it, because that's what you want to happen, when you do the same thing two minutes from now. There are no hands on horns, no recriminations or road rage, and surprisingly, very few accidents. I was terrified of it on the first few taxi rides, but once I caught on to what was happening, I simply relaxed and watched the spectacle in pure amazement! I would never have the courage (or the cool) to attempt to drive in that traffic. Andy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #959 *****************************