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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #965

 1. Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
 2. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
 3. Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 4. Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 5. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 6. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 7. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
 8. Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
 9. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Jonathan Zitelman" <jzstagecraft [at] gmail.com>
10. AstroTurf
    by Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com>
11. Air Pump...how to make a bird fly
    by mfriebe [at] gac.edu
12. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
13. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Jonathan Wills" <jbwills [at] gmail.com>
14. Re: AstroTurf
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
15. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
16. Re: AstroTurf
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
17. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Jonathan Wills" <jbwills [at] gmail.com>
18. Re: AstroTurf
    by Simon Shuker <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
19. Re: AstroTurf
    by "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com>
20. Re: AstroTurf
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
21. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Jonathan Zitelman" <jzstagecraft [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
23. Re: AstroTurf
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
24. Umbrella Gun
    by "Sara Ward" <sara_ward1 [at] hotmail.com>
25. ENR/Colortran Viewpoint Manual
    by Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
26. Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
27. OT Long - Make Magazine Makeshift Challenge
    by Stuart Baulch <intheory [at] rogers.com>
28. Re: The quest for safe snow
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
29. Re: rigging from the grid...
    by <rigger [at] tds.net>

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Message-ID: <6498581.1159356541125.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:29:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW

Hi all....

Two unrelated questions.


First: 

I've seen, seen drawings of, and read discussions here about a device you use on a gridiron.  It has a couple pins/cleats and you drop your line through the center of it, pull up the load, and tie it off on said pins/cleats.

What is it called, and does anyone have a drawing or photo of one?  Any particular notes on use?


Second:

Anyone have a good source for larger quantities of 12/3 SOOW?  Couple thousand feet worth?  As this isn't a theatre-only product I'd love to eleminate some middlemen from the purchase to save some $$.  Perhaps the savings won't be as substantial as I'd like, in which case I'll go the "usual suspect" route.


Thanks again!

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

------------------------------

Message-ID: <000901c6e234$5239e320$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP>
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
References: <list-35478153 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:56:16 -1000

If you use expanded polystyrene beads, you will hate yourself in the
morning....

and they will be with you and yours forever.

Laters,

Paul

"Unfortunately, my car is just sitting on the rims" said Tom tirelessly.



------------------------------

Subject: RE: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:15:30 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A064F13F9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-35480528 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

> I've seen, seen drawings of, and read discussions here about=20
> a device you use on a gridiron.  It has a couple pins/cleats=20
> and you drop your line through the center of it, pull up the=20
> load, and tie it off on said pins/cleats.
>=20
> What is it called, and does anyone have a drawing or photo of=20
> one?  Any particular notes on use?

Oh, Delbert!  This sounds like a call for your photo of "rabbit ears"...

http://delberthall.tripod.com/rabbit_ears/

Is that what you were thinking of?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:15:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C13FF1C5.1FB7%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-35480528 [at] prxy.net>

In response to the first part of the query, the device is known as a
Grid-Bit and was created by none other than fellow lister Loren Schrieber of
SDSU.  There is a brief article in a past Tech Expo booklet.  Loren can tell
you which one.
In use, the thing to remember is that the device should only be used for
light loads that are plumb.  Not good to have the line running off at an
angle.  The use of hardwood for the dowels is important.

I built about 20 of the things to hold PVC columns aloft that were sited on
the deck.  The floor bore the bulk of the weight.
YMMV.
Steve Rees
SUNY-Fredonia


On 9/27/06 7:29 AM, "seanrmc [at] earthlink.net" <seanrmc [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi all....
> 
> Two unrelated questions.
> 
> 
> First: 
> 
> I've seen, seen drawings of, and read discussions here about a device you use
> on a gridiron.  It has a couple pins/cleats and you drop your line through the
> center of it, pull up the load, and tie it off on said pins/cleats.
> 
> What is it called, and does anyone have a drawing or photo of one?  Any
> particular notes on use?
> 
> 
> Second:
> 
> Anyone have a good source for larger quantities of 12/3 SOOW?  Couple thousand
> feet worth?  As this isn't a theatre-only product I'd love to eleminate some
> middlemen from the purchase to save some $$.  Perhaps the savings won't be as
> substantial as I'd like, in which case I'll go the "usual suspect" route.
> 
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> --Sean
> 
> Sean R. McCarthy
> seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


------------------------------

Subject: RE: The quest for safe snow
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:16:48 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A064F13FC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-35482775 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> If you use expanded polystyrene beads, you will hate yourself=20
> in the morning....
>=20
> and they will be with you and yours forever.

Kinda like glitter.  Only less sparkly.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:20:04 -0400
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C13FF2C4.1FBD%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-35482775 [at] prxy.net>

And you'll be really pissed if they fall into any lighting instruments   :(
Steve Rees


On 9/27/06 8:56 AM, "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> If you use expanded polystyrene beads, you will hate yourself in the
> morning....
> 
> and they will be with you and yours forever.
> 
> Laters,
> 
> Paul
> 
> "Unfortunately, my car is just sitting on the rims" said Tom tirelessly.
> 
> 


------------------------------

Subject: RE: The quest for safe snow
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:34:45 -0400
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D615AE484 [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

Let me second that.  Two years ago someone used polystyrene props, in
front of the later rail.  We're still finding beads of it in the organ
and piano.  Kinda like the invasion of the body snatchers. =20

Alf


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Guncheon

If you use expanded polystyrene beads, you will hate yourself in the
morning....

and they will be with you and yours forever.

Laters,

Paul

"Unfortunately, my car is just sitting on the rims" said Tom tirelessly.



------------------------------

Subject: RE: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:56:05 -0500
Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA78F [at] danube.river.idm.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-35483229 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>

In the past, I've gotten 12/3 in bulk from Production Advantage -
http://www.proadv.com/.
I see their current price for 12/3 SOOW, for 1000', is $625.

We have a number of local cable manufacturers around here (Chicago), and
w/o the shipping you'd think they would be cheaper, but the prices still
seem pretty high when I checked some years ago.  I guess you just have
to find some dealers and get some bids.

- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
---------------------------
http://www.stagelights.info

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Message-ID: <d73a4ea30609270747v31ae4c6bg416393fc1a747e4c [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:47:48 -0500
From: "Jonathan Zitelman" <jzstagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
In-Reply-To: <list-35483693 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35483693 [at] prxy.net>

Any thoughts on confetti?  Paper or irradescent?  Or has anyone tried
any other methods than those I initially mentioned?

-JZ =86

------------------------------

Message-ID: <20060927151849.12478.qmail [at] web37202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:18:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: AstroTurf
In-Reply-To: <list-35455715 [at] prxy.net>

 
I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New England - never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also, I can't glue or staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using double-sided carpet tape and was wondering if anyone has had an exprerience doing that - I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with success, but I am concerned about it sticking to the underside fo the fake grass.  Thank you,

Anna Labykina 
Technical Director
The Boston Conservatory
617.912.9129 office
617.388.5656 mobile

------------------------------

Message-ID: <20060927102411.dd08uvksg084oco4 [at] webmail-0.gac.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:24:11 -0500
From: mfriebe [at] gac.edu
Subject: Air Pump...how to make a bird fly

Hello, I am a student at Gustavus Adophus College in MN and this fall  
we are doing An Experiment with An Air Pump and I was wondering if  
anyone has done the show and could offer, hints, tips, warnigs, etc on  
how you constructed the air pump with flying bird and/or the chimney  
hat.  This would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Melissa Friebe
Gustavus


------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:30:41 GMT
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
Message-Id: <20060927.083132.15672.498213 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

Dear Robert,
Johann Strauss took that information to his grave after composing the =

operetta 'Die Fledermaus', which translates to "Flying Mouse" ie: Bat.
/s/ Richard
____________________________

Just curious, What is the (adjusted) psi for a mouse to fly?
Rob't




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Message-ID: <a34e6f5a0609270843w6f236093v8e6b397155e49e4d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:43:27 -0400
From: "Jonathan Wills" <jbwills [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
In-Reply-To: <list-35485857 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35483693 [at] prxy.net> <list-35485857 [at] prxy.net>

Jonathan,

Look at CITC Fx's Snow Biz.

http://www.citcfx.com/products/snow_machines2.htm

It comes in 3 varieties. Fine, Close-up and Regular. This stuff looks
pretty good. I think the stuff looks pretty good. The only bad thing
about it is if it gets wet it begins to clump and become a "mess"
especially if you want on it well it is wet.

-------------
I am a dealer for CITC
-------------

Jonathan Wills
Wills Lighting & Stage
www.WillsLighting.com

www.VenueCads.com
On-line database for Venue drawings for the Entertainemnt Industry.
Consider Contributing Today.

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Subject: RE: AstroTurf
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:51:45 -0400
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D615AE4F8 [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

The big box building supply stores all carry green i/o turf carpet.  I
just bought several yard of it here in Marietta, GA.  It came in
standard carpet width, 12' and in 3' runner width.   It's not great
quality and sheds, but for a 5 day trade show it's fine.  (If you want
true "Astroturf" - playfootballonit quality, then you're going to pay
big bucks.  This stuff is good for light patio use at home or stage.)

We used double sided tape underneath and it's fine.  We put it on top of
a short knap carpet already installed.  Working on day 3.  Depending on
traffic some portions might require periodic re-taping.


Alf

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Anna
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:19 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: AstroTurf

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

=20
I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New England -
never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also, I can't glue or
staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using double-sided carpet
tape and was wondering if anyone has had an exprerience doing that -
I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with success, but I am concerned
about it sticking to the underside fo the fake grass.  Thank you,

Anna Labykina
Technical Director
The Boston Conservatory
617.912.9129 office
617.388.5656 mobile

------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:00:46 GMT
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
Message-Id: <20060927.090136.15672.498446 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

The faux 'snow' that they used in Griffith Park (Los Angeles) for =

filming a snow sequence in 'Chronicles of Nardia' disappeared when =

hosed down after the shoot, causing no damage to an area where =

environmentalists would have screamed loudly if it had left a trace.
/s/ Richard
____________________________________

The only bad thing about it is if it gets wet it begins to clump and =

become a "mess" especially if you want on it well it is wet.
Jonathan Wills



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Message-Id: <s51a6dd9.084 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:25:58 -0400
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: AstroTurf

After exploring the turf options for a production of _All My Sons_
several years ago, I chose to go with the el-cheapo turf carpet as well.
 We also used double stick tape (to a both wooden stage deck and a
battle-ship linolium pit cover.  Stuck well and looked OK (not great,
but within budget).

Cheers,
Jerry

G. D. George
Technical Director and Lighting Designer
Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts
Salisbury University
Salisbury, MD  
21801

gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu


>>> Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org 9/27/2006 11:51 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

The big box building supply stores all carry green i/o turf carpet.  I
just bought several yard of it here in Marietta, GA.  It came in
standard carpet width, 12' and in 3' runner width.   It's not great
quality and sheds, but for a 5 day trade show it's fine.  (If you want
true "Astroturf" - playfootballonit quality, then you're going to pay
big bucks.  This stuff is good for light patio use at home or stage.)

We used double sided tape underneath and it's fine.  We put it on top
of
a short knap carpet already installed.  Working on day 3.  Depending
on
traffic some portions might require periodic re-taping.


Alf

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Anna
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:19 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: AstroTurf

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

 
I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New England
-
never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also, I can't glue
or
staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using double-sided carpet
tape and was wondering if anyone has had an exprerience doing that -
I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with success, but I am concerned
about it sticking to the underside fo the fake grass.  Thank you,

Anna Labykina
Technical Director
The Boston Conservatory
617.912.9129 office
617.388.5656 mobile

------------------------------

Message-ID: <a34e6f5a0609270939l16be691t2521a5815faa5caa [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 12:39:29 -0400
From: "Jonathan Wills" <jbwills [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
In-Reply-To: <list-35488211 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35488211 [at] prxy.net>

Richard,

It is the same stuff. If you walk on the "snow" when it is wet it will
clump up. If you just hose it with water it dissipates. It is great
stuff. I gave my neaice a white christmas a few years ago complete
with falling snow. It was great.

Jonathan Wills
Wills Lighting & Stage
www.WillsLighting.com

www.VenueCads.com
On-line database for Venue drawings for the Entertainemnt Industry.
Consider Contributing Today.

------------------------------

Message-ID: <451AB06D.2080806 [at] ef-ae.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:10:05 +0400
From: Simon Shuker <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
Subject: Re: AstroTurf
References: <list-35489063 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-35489063 [at] prxy.net>

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
I have an annual contract to install approx 20000 square yards of the
cheap turf carpet in an approx 30000 seat scaffold stadium for the
Dubai Rugby 7's. We have areas that are stapled and areas that are
double sided taped, both of which have heavy duty wear and tear over
the 3 day event and both stand up well. Just make sure the tape you use
is a good quality one that sticks well yet is easy to remove after the
show. New carpet should not be a problem, but&nbsp; the backing tends to
disintegrate on used stuff so would need a good clean before attaching
tape. The only potential issue you may have is with flame retardency of
the cheap turf carpet, but not working in your country I do not know
the availability and rules (here I only install what is provided so do
not know the specs of provided carpet.)<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
<br>
Gerald George wrote:
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---------------------------------------------------

After exploring the turf options for a production of _All My Sons_
several years ago, I chose to go with the el-cheapo turf carpet as well.
 We also used double stick tape (to a both wooden stage deck and a
battle-ship linolium pit cover.  Stuck well and looked OK (not great,
but within budget).

Cheers,
Jerry

G. D. George
Technical Director and Lighting Designer
Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts
Salisbury University
Salisbury, MD  
21801

gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu


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        <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org">Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org</a> 9/27/2006 11:51 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;
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---------------------------------------------------

The big box building supply stores all carry green i/o turf carpet.  I
just bought several yard of it here in Marietta, GA.  It came in
standard carpet width, 12' and in 3' runner width.   It's not great
quality and sheds, but for a 5 day trade show it's fine.  (If you want
true "Astroturf" - playfootballonit quality, then you're going to pay
big bucks.  This stuff is good for light patio use at home or stage.)

We used double sided tape underneath and it's fine.  We put it on top
of
a short knap carpet already installed.  Working on day 3.  Depending
on
traffic some portions might require periodic re-taping.


Alf

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net">mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net</a>] On Behalf Of Anna
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:19 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: AstroTurf

For info, archives &amp; UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://stagecraft.theprices.net/">&lt;http://stagecraft.theprices.net/&gt;</a>
---------------------------------------------------

 
I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New England
-
never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also, I can't glue
or
staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using double-sided carpet
tape and was wondering if anyone has had an exprerience doing that -
I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with success, but I am concerned
about it sticking to the underside fo the fake grass.  Thank you,

Anna Labykina
Technical Director
The Boston Conservatory
617.912.9129 office
617.388.5656 mobile


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Message-ID: <7cd95e180609271029r1110ca40wf1d5c798843cfd37 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:29:28 -0400
From: "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com>
Cc: ani_td [at] yahoo.com (Anna)
Subject: Re: AstroTurf
In-Reply-To: <list-35486758 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35455715 [at] prxy.net> <list-35486758 [at] prxy.net>

Anna,
The two places that i have bought faux grass here in New England that
are truly cheap are Building 19 and Grossmans Bargain outlet.
Grossmans ususally has it in stock, you never know with Building 19.
Double Stick gaffers tape works well.  Run screaming from the film
type carpet tape. It will never fully come up off the floor.
Mike

On 9/27/06, Anna <ani_td [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New England - never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also, I can't glue or staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using double-sided carpet tape and was wondering if anyone has had an exprerience doing that - I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with success, but I am concerned about it sticking to the underside fo the fake grass.  Thank you,
>
> Anna Labykina
> Technical Director
> The Boston Conservatory
> 617.912.9129 office
> 617.388.5656 mobile
>


-- 
Mike Katz
Technical Director
MIT Theater Arts
617.253.0824

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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV13182A3C9E20D0C734FC7CBD1A0 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-35455715 [at] prxy.net> <list-35486758 [at] prxy.net> <list-35491363 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: AstroTurf
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:20:29 -0700

There are 2 types of "carpet" tapes one that comes up and leaves no residue 
on the surfaces and the other type that a solvent is needed to complete 
remove. The other kind that comes off both surfaces (the separator tape is 
normally a light blue). On the over sticky type tape put some packing tape 
down first then put the carpet tap on top of packing tape it saves a lot of 
frustration later on.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Anna,
> The two places that i have bought faux grass here in New England that
> are truly cheap are Building 19 and Grossmans Bargain outlet.
> Grossmans ususally has it in stock, you never know with Building 19.
> Double Stick gaffers tape works well.  Run screaming from the film
> type carpet tape. It will never fully come up off the floor.


> Mike Katz
> Technical Director
> MIT Theater Arts
> 617.253.0824
> 

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Message-ID: <d73a4ea30609271141x33ff1f0bqa13138fc40a92843 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:41:17 -0500
From: "Jonathan Zitelman" <jzstagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
In-Reply-To: <list-35487530 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35483693 [at] prxy.net> <list-35485857 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-35487530 [at] prxy.net>

This looks like the perfect item.  I looked at the company's
suggestions for disperssion, but fear any kind of machines will make
too much noise.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to build a
completely silent system?  I'm looking to distribute the snow over a
very small depth, but along an about 30' width.  The snow would be
falling from about 35-40' so I think it would disperse enough during
its fall, even if dispensed from a single track.

-JZ =86


> Look at CITC Fx's Snow Biz.
>
> http://www.citcfx.com/products/snow_machines2.htm

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Message-ID: <9cbafac70609271302k627b35c4qadfe4f0ce40cfe60 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:02:10 -0700
From: "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
In-Reply-To: <list-35493966 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35483693 [at] prxy.net> <list-35485857 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-35487530 [at] prxy.net> <list-35493966 [at] prxy.net>

Tim's snowmaker works great, I bought 2 units for a show last spring,
and bought the snow from them also.

http://snowmaker.net
_OR_
http://tinyurl.com/r3v7b

-- 
Phillip Blackwood
Technical Director
School of Theater Arts
University of Arizona
(520)621-1104

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:25:57 -0400
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: AstroTurf
In-reply-to: <list-35486758 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <EBCCDBD0-029D-45C6-8C33-60501AC2B7FE [at] klad.com>
References: <list-35455715 [at] prxy.net> <list-35486758 [at] prxy.net>

we usually put down blue painter's tape then the double stick, if we  
want to protect the original surface.


On Sep 27, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Anna wrote:

> I am looking for a cheap sourse of AstroTurf or similar in New  
> England - never bought it before - anyone has a suggestion?  Also,  
> I can't glue or staple it to the deck, so I was thinking of using  
> double-sided carpet tape and was wondering if anyone has had an  
> exprerience doing that - I've used it on a muslin groundcloth with  
> success, but I am concerned about it sticking to the underside fo  
> the fake grass.  Thank you,
>


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com




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In-Reply-To: <list-35497345 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Sara Ward" <sara_ward1 [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Umbrella Gun
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:49:57 -1000


  Does anyone have any advice on how to create / purchase / rent  or  
otherwise obtain a shotgun that "shoots" an umbrella. I’m  sure  you’ve all 
guessed by now, we are doing Who's Afraid of  Virginia  Woolf.


    We are in Honolulu, Hawaii so it isn’t often practical to buy or   rent 
from the mainland, but occasionally it works out to be   cheaper / easier. 
We have a fairly small house (seats 160ish) so   props have to be fairly 
realistic looking.


    Our audience  gets  a pretty close-up view and can be critical so it 
can’t look  like a  toy or a piece of PVC pipe gaff-taped together.

Thanks for any advice,
S Ward
Manoa Valley Theatre

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:08:53 -0400
From: Cosmo Catalano <Cosmo.A.Catalano [at] williams.edu>
Subject: ENR/Colortran Viewpoint Manual
Message-id: <BA76AF91-B166-4ABF-A99D-A08FAE733D3F [at] williams.edu>

OK, I know some of you out there have this.  I'm looking for a manual  
for the Viewpoint architectural controls that were used by Colortran  
back in the 80's.  Often used with their ENR dimmers (the ones that  
occasionally caught on fire).  Not having much luck finding this on  
line, as "on line" was a new thing when this system was installed.   
I'll even send you my Fed Ex number to ship a copy out here.

Cosmo

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Message-ID: <b7318c480609271518j155f178bqf06d2f6e30666ab1 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:18:42 -0400
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Grid rigging and 12/3 SOOW
In-Reply-To: <list-35483229 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-35480528 [at] prxy.net> <list-35483229 [at] prxy.net>

> Oh, Delbert!  This sounds like a call for your photo of "rabbit ears"...
>
> http://delberthall.tripod.com/rabbit_ears/
>
> Is that what you were thinking of?
>

I have gotten lots of positive responses from people who have used my
plans to build rabbit ears.  There ia an all steel version of rabbit
ears that I lot of touring show are now using.  One day I will build
on of them and write about it.  You you have questions about them,
just call or email me.

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:19:02 -0400
Subject: OT Long - Make Magazine Makeshift Challenge
From: Stuart Baulch <intheory [at] rogers.com>
Message-Id: <1159402742.200BA2BF [at] fd5.dngr.org>

I came across this on boingboing and thought that it would appeal to 
many of the minds here on the list...

In each issue of Make they run the MakeShift challenge, which is, 
appropriately, conceived and written by Lee D. Zlotoff, the creator of 
the MacGyver TV series. It's a scenario in which an urgent problem must 
be solved, with only a limited number of items at hand.

Here's this issue's challenge. If you come up with a solution, Send a 
detailed description of your MakeShift solution with sketches and/or 
photos to makeshift [at] makezine.com by October 27, 2006.

The Scenario: You set off on a solo backpacking jaunt one blissfully 
free weekend, in search of a legendary mountain hot spring that has 
remained pristine thanks to the 12-plus-hour climb it takes to reach it. 
A well-earned sweat topped off with nothing but silence, solitude, and 
hot water - what's not to like?

     Just as your topo map indicates that you're within minutes of the 
spring, you hear an agonized shouting from somewhere off the rocky 
trail. You quickly discover a large, cylindrical fissure in the ground, 
about 15 feet in diameter and about 20 feet deep, at the bottom of which 
lies a rather large example of humanity, with his leg bent at such an 
unnatural angle that there's no doubt it's badly broken. You yell down 
to the man - who is easily twice your weight - to say help has arrived. 
He acknowledges you with a wave, but he seems to be fading fast from 
shock, pain, or whatever. the walls of thet fissure are nearly vertical 
and full of jagged rocks, but your experience tells you they're 
scalable. Still, there's no way you'll be able to climb those rocks with 
this guy on your back. You'll have to come up with another way to get 
him out of this whole.

And then it hits you:
     A noxious, sulfuric smell that says that this fissure is a vent for 
the same gases that make the hot springs so warm and bubbly. If you 
don't quickly find a way to get fresh air to this guy, he's not going to 
survive long enough for you to rescue him.

The Challenge:
     Devise a way to keep this guy breathing while you come up with and 
execute a plan to safely extract him from the fissure. Then get him 
stabilized long enough that you can either get him off the mountain 
yourself, or hike back out to summon more help.

Here's what you've got:
     A top-of-the-line backpack with a nested, detachable water 
container, a sleeping bag, inflatable air mattress, two-man backpacking 
tent, a large towel, cook set, butane stove, camping food, and a basic 
first aid kit. You also have 40 feet of nylon rope, an elaborate Swiss 
Army knife (or Leatherman tool), a 25-foot roll of duct tape, a small 
Maglite-type flashlight, your trusty, 6-foot bamboo walking stick, and 
the bandanna around your neck. Any questions? Good, 'cause humanity 
awaits.

     Send a detailed description of your MakeShift solution with sketches 
and/or photos to makeshift [at] makezine.com by October 27, 2006. If 
duplicate designs are submitted, the winner will be determined by the 
quality of the explanation and presentation. The most plausible and 
creative solutions will each win MAKE sweatshirt. Think positive and 
include your shirt size and contact information with your description. 
For rules and solutions to previous MakeShift challenges, visit 
makezine.com/makeshift.


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Message-Id: <695920A6-44E2-47F4-982A-60A9A1BC4E90 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: The quest for safe snow
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:43:20 -0400


On 26 Sep 2006, at 10:59, Jonathan Zitelman wrote:

> I am currently looking at the options for creating a fake snow effect
> over the apron of the stage for an end of the year choir concert.  The
> first thought that came to mind was the use of snow machines in the
> truss work of the building, but the choir will be wearing velvet robes
> and even the possibility of damage to the robes is unacceptable.  I've
> been trying to think up a shifting gutter system, kind of like a sift,
> filled with iridescent confetti or possibly expanded polystyrene beads

	OK, I've waited on the sidelines long enough on this one - I'd have  
thought SOMEONE would have mentioned this by now. You mentioned  
"trying to think up a shifting gutter system, kind of like a sift".  
That's exactly the way I do it and has been done for ages by many  
people.

	The "Snow Bag" is a strip of fabric the length of your stage's  
width. Each edge is attached to a  batten, and slits are cut in one  
half the width of the fabric - perpendicular to the length (Running  
upstage / downstage).  The batten with the Un-slitted side is the  
"Fixed" batten - it doesn't move. the other batten (The one with the  
slits" ) is moved up and down to sift the snow out of the bag.

	What to use for "Snow"? Artificial snow!  It's essentially shredded  
plastic, and available from any theatrical supplier. I'm not sure,  
but it seems to me it might be a Rosco product.

	I built mine out of the cheapest fabric I could find, and use it  
every year for the dreaded Nutcrapper. I've also used it twice this  
past year for a balloon drop!

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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From: <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Re: rigging from the grid...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 2:17:12 +0000
Message-Id: <20060928021712.YJRJ9318.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net>

From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

>> Wouldn't that be "shackling mouse," and not "mousing a shackle?" 
>> (walking away, whistling)
> 
> You are a dirty, dirty old man. :)


[*ahem*]
I'll have you know I'm merely middle-aged.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

      Most of my money was spent on bad whiskey
     and wild women.  The rest of it was wasted.


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