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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 35818147; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:01:04 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #971 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:00:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #971 1. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by Bill Sapsis 2. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by "Mike Burnett" 3. Re: Outdoor Sound Systems by "Gregg Carville" 4. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by John McKernon 5. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by "Joe Saint" 6. Gelatran info needed by "Shon Causer" 7. RE Gelatran info needed by "Wild, Larry" 8. Re: Outdoor Sound Systems by 9. Re: Gelatran info needed by Steve Shelley 10. Re: The quest for safe snow by Bob Frame 11. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by Clive Mitchell 12. Re: Gelatran info needed by "Scott Parker" 13. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by Ford Sellers 14. Re: RE Gelatran info needed by Philip Johnson 15. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by Bill Sapsis 16. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 17. Vectorworks quick question.... by jonares [at] hevanet.com 18. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by "Bill Nelson" 19. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by "Bill Nelson" 20. Re: Vectorworks quick question.... by Curtis Phillips 21. Re: Vectorworks quick question.... by Andrew Vance *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:41:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings folks. Not to worry, I'm not begging for money. That comes later in the year. But I do have some news. We've worked out the routes for the next 4 years. I'm hoping that this advance notice will allow those of you that wanted to ride in the past a better opportunity to plan to join us on a future ride. We've also changed the format. Instead of a mid western destination (and it's long ride home) we've begun a loop format. Wherever we start is where we finish. And there are no longer any Eastern and Western groups. Just one big happy group tooling around the countryside. In 2007 we'll be in New England. We start in Philly on July 29th and head to Cooperstown. After that it will be Ottawa, Middlebury & St. Johnsbury, VT. Then Bar Harbor and Bangor, ME. Then down to Lakeview CT and on to Philadelphia. A total of 9 days. In 2008 we'll come out of Las Vegas. It'll be 9 days of places like Zion, Bryce Canyon, Moab, Telluride and Four Corners, Monument Valley and, of course, the Grand Canyon. (North Rim) That ride will begin in late May to beat some of the heat. In 2009 we'll be back east with a ride through the Carolinas and Virginia. We' ride the Blue Ridge Parkway and Skyline Drive. We'll get up into the Smokey Mountains and plenty of other scenic spots. In 2010 we start in San Francisco. It'll be a PCH (Highway 1) ride. We haven't decided yet if we'll go north first or south, but it doesn't really matter. It's all great. So, for you folks that have been telling us you needed more notice for the rides, now you have it. Rider registration forms are available on the website We're accepting full route riders and day trippers, just like last year. C'mon, here's your chance. You know you want to. It's a lot of fun and it's for 2 great causes. Look for donation information to come around soon. Thanks for the bandwidth. Be well Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 4th annual charity motorcycle ride. www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Long Reach Long Rider news Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" Do you have a need for folks who wish they owned bikes but don't...and would be a chase vehicle? These routes look sweeeet! ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre =20 Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service =20 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax =20 mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre =20 =20 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. =20 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers =20 Galatians 6:9-10=20 =20 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) =20 ________________________________________________________________________ _ =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e15160610030506k2c9050b0kdf2d6b261b03457 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:06:28 -0400 From: "Gregg Carville" Subject: Re: Outdoor Sound Systems In-Reply-To: References: > How far are the speakers from the Amplifiers? > > -Michael > The far side is - down the stands, under/across the field & track, under the other stands. 300' - 400'. The near side is probably 100' +/-. -Gregg -- Gregg Carville Merrill Auditorium Portland, Maine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:17:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If you want maximum light intensity, then dichroics are the way to go - > although they are expensive. If you don't mind the colors not necessarily matching each other... - John ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c6e6f7$ac9e8ba0$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: > If you want maximum light intensity, then dichroics are the way to go - > although they are expensive. If you don't mind the colors not necessarily matching each other... - John And if you don't mind the secondary color that comes out at oblique angles to the beam of light. For instance, dark blue (i.e. R383) puts out a magenta light (i.e. #339) at about a 60 degree angle to the main direction. On a leko this might not matter, but on an MR-16, where the heat is a major issue, that obliqueness is readily apparent. Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Shon Causer" Subject: Gelatran info needed Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:09:09 -0400 Does anybody out there know anything about Gelatran? I am looking for a close match to Gelatran 03 or a really close ballpark. Cheers! Shon Causer

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

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_________________________________________________________________ Search—Your way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Subject: RE Gelatran info needed Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:26:45 -0500 Message-ID: <79EC830AA6FE144797DDB30DC498593804FEE9C2 [at] nsu-ex01.nsu.local> From: "Wild, Larry" Shon Causer wrote "Does anybody out there know anything about Gelatran? = I am looking for a=20 close match to Gelatran 03 or a really close ballpark." According to GelFind, a DOS based software program I wrote a few years = back, G03: Light Pink should be a close match to R35, also Light Pink. = The source of the data used in GelFind is Warfel's _Color Science for = LIghting the Stage_. Larry Wild Northern State University Aberdeen, SD ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Outdoor Sound Systems Message-Id: <20061003103834.CFY20073 [at] mail.uisd.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:38:34 -0500 (CDT) If you want, our District is doing the same thing with our stadium. We use the Community line speakers, which are alright for our use. I but I do live in Texas (next to the Mexican border), where heat is a Huge issue. And we get violent storms every now and then. We do not however get snow storms, or anything below freezing level often. If I am not mistaken, there should be some sort of Subwoofer that you might want them to add to your system. What does your budget look like? and you can e-mail me offlist if you want. -Michael A. Carrillo UISD Lighting A.V Tech Laredo, Texas p.s. I know there is a formula to calculate line loss, but I don't remember it off the top of my head. I don't think it will be that much in your case, but in our stadium, the amps are over 1500 feet away from the speakers. (It would be best to position all the speakers about 30 feet away from the amps, and above the press box in our case) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:26:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Gelatran info needed From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello Shon; Back when dirt was young I worked at american ballet theatre. We had to mak= e the switch from Geltran 03 for our warm sidelight system. After much discussion, consulting designers, etc. we decided on Roscolux 33. No doubt there are many other alternatives now. Hth, shelley On 10/3/06 11:09 AM, "Shon Causer" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Does anybody out there know anything about Gelatran? I am looking for a > close match to Gelatran 03 or a really close ballpark. >=20 > Cheers! >=20 > Shon Causer >=20 >=20 >

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>=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Search=97Your way, your world, right now! >=20 http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=3Den-us&FORM=3DWL= MTA> G >=20 --=20 Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE4B30 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: RE: The quest for safe snow Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:46:46 -0400 I have the instructions in a Word Doc (thanks to Bill Nelson for his suggested edits for clarity) I can send them to anyone who needs to consider the f/x immediately. (contact me off list) OR I sent an e-mail to Noah as to how to post the instructions and some pix to the gallery. I will let the list know when they are posted. Bob Robert M. Frame, Coordinator of Theatre Operations Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021-3099 (Voice): 315-255-1743 ext. 2340 (Fax): 315-255-2117 (E-mail): Framer [at] Cayuga-cc.edu If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:39:21 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield References: In-Reply-To: In message , Joe Saint writes >And if you don't mind the secondary color that comes out at oblique >angles to the beam of light. For instance, dark blue (i.e. R383) puts >out a magenta light (i.e. #339) at about a 60 degree angle to the main >direction. On a leko this might not matter, but on an MR-16, where the >heat is a major issue, that obliqueness is readily apparent. It does however open up an entirely new range of effects you can achieve. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980610031051t22f6c798n2cb7fd6f70d5349e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:51:05 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Gelatran info needed In-Reply-To: References: On 10/3/06, Steve Shelley wrote: No doubt > there are many other alternatives now. > > Hth, > > shelley > Roscolene 825 a little brighter. Cinemoid 10 is almost perfect And yes, Shelley's Rosco 33 looks really close, but could use just a scosh of grey. #333 a close second. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20061003141107.028b0e30 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:11:54 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield In-Reply-To: References: I think Vari*lite has the patent.-heh At 01:39 PM 10/3/2006, you wrote: >It does however open up an entirely new range of effects you can achieve. > >-- >Clive Mitchell >http://www.bigclive.com ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:12:20 -0500 Subject: Re: RE Gelatran info needed From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Richard Pilbrow's Stage lighting book also has a gel conversion chart. Some of the gel manufacturers will also tell you how to convert from older gels to their colors. Phil Johnson On 10/3/06 10:26 AM, "Wild, Larry" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Shon Causer wrote "Does anybody out there know anything about Gelatran? I am > looking for a > close match to Gelatran 03 or a really close ballpark." > > According to GelFind, a DOS based software program I wrote a few years back, > G03: Light Pink should be a close match to R35, also Light Pink. The source of > the data used in GelFind is Warfel's _Color Science for LIghting the Stage_. > > Larry Wild > Northern State University > Aberdeen, SD > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:24:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks for the offer Mike. At the moment we tentatively have a chase vehicle and at least one driver. Technically, we don't need another car, but if you want to join the ride in a 4 wheeled vehicle, that's fine with us. Please note that if you want to officially ride with us you will have to meet the same buy-in requirements as the rest us. And yeah, don't they look great. I think we're really on to something here. Thanks again Be well Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/3/06 7:55 AM, "Mike Burnett" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Do you have a need for folks who wish they owned bikes but don't...and > would be a chase vehicle? > > These routes look sweeeet! > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _ > Mike Burnett, M.F.A. > Assistant Professor of Theatre > Chair, Department of Theatre > > Huntington University > Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service > > 260-359-4279 office > 260-359-4249 fax > > mburnett [at] huntington.edu > www.huntington.edu/theatre > > > Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will > reap a harvest if we do not give up. > Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, > especially to those who belong to the family of believers > Galatians 6:9-10 > > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of > in your philosophy." > --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _ > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:14:49 GMT Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield Message-Id: <20061003.161452.833.543357 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> True, and when you mix the off-angle color changes present when you = use Dichroic Filters, with the Chromatic Aberration present when lower = quality coke-bottle-glass lenses are refracting the light poorly, you = indeed come up with interesting effects. /s/ Richard ______________________ >It does however open up an entirely new range of effects you can = achieve. >Clive Mitchell ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200610032355.k93NtOx26914 [at] broadway.hevanet.com> From: jonares [at] hevanet.com Subject: Vectorworks quick question.... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:55:24 GMT Howdy... all of a sudden, all the drawings I open in VW (12.x) have little red boxes (loci?) on all my dimensions.... I'm sure there's a setting somewhere that got toggled, but I can't seem to find anything in the manual, or online help, or.... Surely someone else has seen this....? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4291.64.28.53.171.1159920740.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield From: "Bill Nelson" >>And if you don't mind the secondary color that comes out at oblique >>angles to the beam of light. For instance, dark blue (i.e. R383) puts >>out a magenta light (i.e. #339) at about a 60 degree angle to the main >>direction. On a leko this might not matter, but on an MR-16, where the >>heat is a major issue, that obliqueness is readily apparent. I think this is a cosine function, which would make 60 degrees the angle that passes light with half the wavelength of the primary wavelength. This is not a real problem except when trying to eliminate IR - where the secondary light can be in the visible wavelengths. Even ignoring the secondary colors, the major problem with dicroic filters is that any off axis light will be a different color than the on-axis light. Even a few degrees can be noticable to the eye. Of course, in most cases, it blends on the stage. Just keep in mind that the blended color will be slightly different with different focusing of the ER lens. It would probably shift even more if someone could afford to use them in Fresnels. Because of this, even slight tilting of the filter will cause a color shift. Whether it is significant enough to matter for stage lighting is beyond my knowledge. I have next to no experience with such filters for theatre instruments, only for H-alpha filters for solar viewing and the dicro filters in some wiggle lights. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4296.64.28.53.171.1159921015.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield From: "Bill Nelson" >> If you want maximum light intensity, then dichroics are the way to go - >> although they are expensive. > > If you don't mind the colors not necessarily matching each other... If the filters are all from the same lot, they should be closely matched. I don't think any of the makers guarantee such matching of different lots. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: cphillip [at] d.umn.edu (Curtis Phillips) From: Curtis Phillips Subject: Re: Vectorworks quick question.... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:48:07 -0500 In vectorworks 11 those boxes are indicating that you have snapped to the corner/end of an object. They have never printed in my drawings. Not sure if if this is different in V12 Curtis Phillips Set Designer/Assistant Professor University of MN-Duluth > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Vectorworks quick question.... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:02:42 -0400 On 03 Oct, 2006, at 21:48 , Curtis Phillips wrote: > In vectorworks 11 those boxes are indicating that you have snapped > to the corner/end of an object. They have never printed in my > drawings. Same thing in my old VW 9 drawings. Also when you've snapped to loci, centers, etc. > Not sure if if this is different in V12 Haven't printed up in any VW12 drawing that I've plotted. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #971 *****************************