Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36018463; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:00:56 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #975 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:00:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #975 1. Re: Arbor line numbering by 2. Re: Arbor line numbering by Bill Sapsis 3. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Delbert Hall" 4. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Frank E. Merrill" 5. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Brian Munroe" 6. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Brian Munroe" 7. Re: [user_group] Re: touring over seas by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 8. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Jon Ares" 9. Re: Arbor line numbering by MissWisc [at] aol.com 10. Re: General stage policy by "Jon Ares" 11. Re: General stage policy by MissWisc [at] aol.com 12. Re: Vectorworks quick question.... by Steve Shelley 13. Re: Vectorworks quick question.... by Samuel Jones 14. New AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight by Samuel Jones 15. Re: General stage policy by Bruce Purdy 16. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by Clive Mitchell 17. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by Clive Mitchell 18. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 19. Re: Firewire Audio Interface by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 20. Re: General stage policy by "Bill Nelson" 21. Re: Long Reach Long Rider news by Bill Sapsis 22. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Bill Nelson" 23. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Bill Nelson" 24. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Jon Lagerquist" 25. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Joel Harari" 26. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Tom Heemskerk" 27. Question to roadhouses by "David Farrier" 28. Re: Question to roadhouses by Rigger 29. Re: Question to roadhouses by Stephen Litterst 30. Re: Question to roadhouses by "Brian Munroe" 31. Re: Arbor line numbering by "Brian Munroe" 32. Re: Vectorworks quick question.... by "Laura McMeley" 33. Re: Question to roadhouses by Brian James 34. Re: Question to roadhouses by "Brian Munroe" 35. Re: Arbor line numbering by Bruce Purdy 36. Re: General stage policy by "Jon Ares" 37. Re: General stage policy by "Jon Ares" 38. Re: General stage policy by "Jon Ares" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:12:20 +0000 Message-Id: <20061007101220.TVWL9318.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net> > I'm going thru and redoing all the labels on our fly system, and I have open > spaces where lines used to be. Should I number sequentionally and not worry > about the open slots OR skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" > reinstallation of the missing lines? Yes. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:28:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Joel. AFAIC, it doesn't matter. Either way works fine. The important thing is that whatever you decide to do at the rail you repeat...exactly..at the loading bridge. You would think that something like that would go without saying, but you'd be surprised how often the two aren't labeled the same. Makes for a very confusing load in which, in turn, makes for accidents. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/7/06 4:19 AM, "Joel Harari" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm going thru and redoing all the labels on our fly system, and I have open > spaces where lines used to be. Should I number sequentionally and not worry > about the open slots OR skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" > reinstallation of the missing lines? > > Thoughts? > > Joel > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:51:20 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering In-Reply-To: References:

As others have said, tt really done not matter. But unless you plan to add lines sometime in the near future I would label them sequentionally. This is the way I most often see it done. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:01:26 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <238206239.20061007080126 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Saturday, October 7, 2006, Joel Harari wrote: > Should I number sequentionally and not worry about the open slots OR > skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" reinstallation of the > missing lines? I always recommend numbering the tee spaces and not the sets. I also intentionally omit space number 13 if for no other reason than to reinforce the notion that theatre people march to their own drummer. When making up identification cards for the lock and loading rail cardholders, I make the light sets light red, the curtain sets light green, the scenery sets yellow and the other stuff light blue, all of fluorescent card stock. A smart flyman will rearrange and replace the cards as needed, but that is, alas, something that doesn't happen all the time. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:00:19 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering In-Reply-To: References:

> I'm going thru and redoing all the labels on our fly system, and I have open > spaces where lines used to be. Should I number sequentionally and not worry > about the open slots OR skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" > reinstallation of the missing lines? What happened to the lines that used to be there? Will they be replaced at some point? I would prefer to see linesets, not t-tracks, number sequentially. It doesn't matter to me that you have 40 spaces between t-track if there are only 30 sets available. IMHO, that just complicates the lineset schedule paperwork and makes for more confusion when loading in. "Set 26 is a little to close to the electric to hang this drop on, let's try the next set, number 27." "Ah, that's not 27, it's 30" "Huh, where are 28 and 29?" "Well, there is a junior beam in t-track space 28 and a sprinkler pipe in t-track space 29" If you are going to be replacing the missing sets at some point, include them in the numbering, but put an "X" after the number on your paperwork (Set 6X). To emphasise what Bill said - label everything and everywhere - Lock rail,. loading bridge, mid-rail, head beam, arbors, ends of pipes, etc. Just don't label any weights you are using as empty pipe with a set number, label the arbor itself. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:03:58 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering In-Reply-To: References:

What are the preferences for labeling muled sets where the pipes are out of sequence with the arbors? Label the arbors in order or the pipes in order? Label the muled sets with a different nomenclature then the non-muled sets (M1, M2, etc)? I have seen all kinds of numbering around the country and haven't found the best solution for muled sets. What does the list prefer? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: touring over seas Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:21:39 -0400 Message-ID: <016601c6ea1b$e7d35080$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > The best way to avoid problems is to hire the rf equipment > locally. You might even need a local temporary license to > even use such equipment. Agreed 100%. Jim ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002601c6ea20$af2d1c20$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:55:52 -0700 > Joel. AFAIC, it doesn't matter. Either way works fine. The important > thing is that whatever you decide to do at the rail you > repeat...exactly..at > the loading bridge. You would think that something like that would go > without saying, but you'd be surprised how often the two aren't labeled > the > same. Yup.... my brand new space was mis-numbered at the loading bridge.... somehow had one less arbor up there than down on the floor. Cool magic trick. (It was resolved by re-numbering - they had skipped an arbor up above.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:01:51 EDT Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering I would think numbering the spaces would be better. If I know your arbors are 8" apart and I want to hang something 24' upstage, I can do the math and call out the number 36 to get the right set. The caveat is you need a kind of 1 2 3 (4) (5) 6 7 (8) list POSTED PROMENTLY in several places around the theatre and included in all advance tech packets to show where space was kept but the batton doesn't exist. HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003301c6ea22$23f2a510$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: General stage policy Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:06:17 -0700 > YES there should be a formal "here is what you will have/how you will act > to > be safe onstage" document and it should be taught to every person who > goes > on that stage with comprehension tested via written exam BEFORE s/he is > allowed to set foot on it. Oh you have GOT to be kidding. That would NEVER happen at a high school! Kristi, do you know of a single high school that does that? It's nice to dream, but.... ;) In a high school, the auditorium/stage is just like any other venue on the campus: gym, cafeteria, athletic field, etc. It is open to all, and all are encouraged to use it. I don't think the school is going to have every student (and staff) sit down and take a test. And they certainly wouldn't do it for the gym, yet we all know there are hazards there too. I think I'd be fired immediately if I told the Superintendent and the Board members to take a written test before they came up on the stage. I just had a meeting yesterday with my principal and the District Director of Operations - sort of a 'clear the air' type thing - apparently the higher ups have had a problem with me for many years (which I didn't know) - which seemed to stem from a perception that I was a bit of a deterring factor in facility use, and that I had issues with particular users and the spaces. What I really think they're referring to is my hard-line attitude about proper safety and training, and proper behavior and use of the facilities. (They see it as not being a 'team player,' meaning, if someone screws me or my department, I should just bend over and take it.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <4c1.a6faf6.32592740 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:52:32 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy The ones that have read Doom's book or attended ISETSA/Risk Management seminars do! I did it with middle school kids, so there's no reason that HS kids can't do it. Chuck Mitchell had me do it when I was a grad student even though I had my IA journeyman card by then. I always admired that about him. Didn't matter that I'd passed the IA test and had years of professional experience, I still had to pass HIS test to work in his shop. I started doing it because I was getting tired of being the stage "b!***" always yelling at the kids. By teaching them about the dangers of things falling, electrocution, chemical exposure, etc., I was able to say "Here's my basic rules: 1) don't touch anything unless it's yours, 2) always be quiet so you can hear what's going on 3) if someone yells 'heads', protect yours and move as fast as you can to the nearest side of the stage 4) no food/drink/etc. [eat/drink in green room instead] 5) if someone gets hurt - even a paper cut - or you see something that you think might be dangerous, tell me immediately." As for board members/adults, they are not your students and they are over 18 so you have a lesser "duty" to insuring their safety. Teachers who supervise students there while you're not present need to demonstrate that they know how to be safe in the space. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:53:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Vectorworks quick question.... From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Wow. Andrew, thanks for that hint. All this time I've never known about the "ESC - X" to exit the text tool. Thanks. shelley On 10/7/06 2:27 AM, "C. Andrew Dunning" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I'd like to keep a tool loaded until >> I'm done drawing the line or whatever, then right-click off >> that last object, and have that tool unload, and as you put >> it, load a different tool - the 'select' (x, arrow) as a default. > > So...how's that different from simply knowing the short-cut key for whatever > tool you want to call your default...? That should work for most tools - > except when trying to exit the text tool that way. > > My complaint has more to do w. my finding that pressing "X" doesn't always > work - and "ESC" and then "X" is, though quite easy, 1 key-press too many. > > C. Andrew Dunning > Landru Design > - > Nashville, TN > - > cad [at] landrudesign.com > landrudesign [at] earthlink.net > www.landrudesign.com > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: Vectorworks quick question.... Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:07:38 -0700 The breakdown works like this: If you are using the text tool, use "ESC" "X" If you are in (editing) the OI palette, use "ESC" "X" All other times use "X" HTH, Sam Samuel L. Jones Developer of AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu ============================================================= ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Samuel Jones Subject: New AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:09:16 -0700 For those who have desired the ability to sort and editable worksheet in SpotLight by 2 fields, I have just placed AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight version 4.5 on the website, www.autoplotvw.com. There are 3 new commands: Make Editable APSL WKS Read Editable APSL WKS Sort Editable APSL WKS If you have questions, let me know. Sam Samuel L. Jones Developer of AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu ============================================================= ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: General stage policy Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:17:52 -0400 On 7 Oct 2006, at 11:06, Jon Ares wrote: > Oh you have GOT to be kidding. That would NEVER happen at a high > school! Kristi, do you know of a single high school that does > that? It's nice to dream, but.... ;) Although I don't work for a High School, I have to say I agree with this completely based on the schools I have worked with in the past. Kristi replied: > The ones that have read Doom's book or attended ISETSA/Risk Management > seminars do! You are lucky to be in a school that "Gets it"! Any school that puts a teacher with no theatre experience in charge of the theatre, as is the case with the OP - and not uncommon around here either, does not "Get it". No one in the faculty or administration would take the time to read Doom's book. They consider the stage to be just another classroom space. some actually use the stage for band practice or other classes. Often kids hang out in the auditorium unsupervised during free periods or after school. If administration doesn't understand or respect the special nature of a stage, and puts an un-knowledgeable teacher in charge of it, there's not much anyone can do about the situation. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:43:55 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jerry Durand writes >>Rarely do you meet the kids from the movies; ragged, uncouth, >>ill-mannered and dangerous lads in 'colors'. > >Aren't they all the same "Rent-a-Gang" from Central Casting? :) > Hey! Don't dis my fellow thuggish extra's. We make a decent bit of cash through being big and ugly. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:45:20 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jerry Durand writes >>while wearing a >>business suit under my protective gear and with my robe in a side box. > >Would have looked better if you were wearing the robe. :) A yellow and black striped leather one. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002e01c6ea36$bc800d40$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:33:43 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Mitchell" > >Aren't they all the same "Rent-a-Gang" from Central Casting? :) > > Hey! Don't dis my fellow thuggish extra's. We make a decent bit of > cash through being big and ugly. :) Being small and ugly has never gotten me any extra work. Rob't :-( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:26:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Firewire Audio Interface From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Did some on-line research and feedback on the 410 was not good at all. Several folks recommended the Focusrite Saffire. Know anything about it? It got rave reviews. It's $100 more, but that's not a factor, quality is. The 828 is way more than what I need. Steve > From: Adam Fitchett > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:08:22 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Firewire Audio Interface > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It all depends on how many ins and outs you want/need. I've been very > happy with my M-Audio FW-410. The price on it has also come done quite a > bit too lately. Beyond that if you need more ins/outs I would recommend > something like the MOTU 828 MKII or if you need more mic pres the MOTU > Traveler. There are others, but I have had good luck with both M-Audio > and MOTU devices. And if needed, you can get a version of Pro-Tools > (M-powered) that will work with the majority of the M-Audio interfaces. > > -Adam Fitchett > > deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> I'm looking for a firewire audio interface to connect >> my mics and other sound equipment to my Mac computer. >> Any suggestions? >> >> Steve >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2537.205.215.254.73.1160252988.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: General stage policy From: "Bill Nelson" > I just had a meeting yesterday with my principal and the District Director > of Operations - sort of a 'clear the air' type thing - apparently the higher > ups have had a problem with me for many years (which I didn't know) - which > seemed to stem from a perception that I was a bit of a deterring factor in > facility use, and that I had issues with particular users and the spaces. > What I really think they're referring to is my hard-line attitude about > proper safety and training, and proper behavior and use of the facilities. > (They see it as not being a 'team player,' meaning, if someone screws me > or my department, I should just bend over and take it.) Personally, I would risk being fired, before I allowed children to take unnecessary risks. That would mean continuing with your hard-line safety attitude in all matters. Be sure to document everything, including the meetings with management. That way, if someone ignores the rules while using the space when you are not there, you at least have a bit of defense in any possible lawsuit. I wonder if the same administrators allow students to use the heavy woodworking tools in the shop without training or supervision? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:34:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Long Reach Long Rider news From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 10/7/06 1:33 PM, "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" wrote: > >> >> Hey! Don't dis my fellow thuggish extra's. We make a decent bit of >> cash through being big and ugly. :) > > Being small and ugly has never gotten me any extra work. > Rob't :-( > I've gotten plenty of work by being small. "Hey Sapsis. Crawl under this deck and fish out that cable, will ya?" Or.."You want me to climb where??? I can't fit there but Sapsis can." Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2568.205.215.254.73.1160254099.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering From: "Bill Nelson" > I'm going thru and redoing all the labels on our fly system, and I have open > spaces where lines used to be. Should I number sequentionally and not worry > about the open slots OR skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" > reinstallation of the missing lines? I don't like numbering. I perfer to have all line sets labeled by function. Examples would be "1st Electric", "9th Flybar", "2nd Shell" (acoustic shell) etc. The most important thing is to make sure that the labels for any one lineset are identical at both the operating position and at the loading bridge. I also like to see labels on the pipes themselves. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2575.205.215.254.73.1160254494.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering From: "Bill Nelson" > I would think numbering the spaces would be better. If I know your arbors > are 8" apart and I want to hang something 24' upstage, I can do the math > and call out the number 36 to get the right set. The caveat is you need a > kind of > 1 > 2 > 3 > (4) > (5) > 6 > 7 > (8) > list POSTED PROMENTLY in several places around the theatre and included > in all advance tech packets to show where space was kept but the batton > doesn't exist. I would just prefer a tech list that has the lineset name/number and its distance from the plaster line. Why take a chance on someone doing the math incorrectly? Bill ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:36:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Cc: harari_j [at] adelphia.net (Joel Harari) Message-ID: <4527C983.25731.58739AB [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: Joel, There is no doubt in my mind that it makes a lot of sense to figure out what a full complement in the space will be and label for that. We have gone through the challenges that the eventual additions present (15 or 15A? 12 is what was 10) and the ones of having the potential sets predetermined (7 as a future set, which is why it is labelled "7 Future"). Some folks will always be confused because they fail to look closely or ask questions. But a consistent system makes it easier over all, and over the long term of decades, the consistency will pay off for things like tracking maintenance, stock shows, plots drapery hangs and figuring out where stuff is. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ From: "Joel Harari" Subject: RE: Arbor line numbering Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:55:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c6ea63$b07fb860$6601a8c0 [at] Tigger> In-Reply-To: Loading bridge, what loading bridge? Okay who's the wise guy who moved the loading bridge? I wish I had had one but alas... Joel -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:28 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Joel. AFAIC, it doesn't matter. Either way works fine. The important thing is that whatever you decide to do at the rail you repeat...exactly..at the loading bridge. You would think that something like that would go without saying, but you'd be surprised how often the two aren't labeled the same. Makes for a very confusing load in which, in turn, makes for accidents. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/7/06 4:19 AM, "Joel Harari" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm going thru and redoing all the labels on our fly system, and I have open > spaces where lines used to be. Should I number sequentionally and not worry > about the open slots OR skip numbers to allow for the "seamless" > reinstallation of the missing lines? > > Thoughts? > > Joel > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:00:31 -0700 My preference is to have the line-sets numbered relative to the position of exisiting battens, not where the arbours happen to be (or may be in future), on the grounds that it's probably easier for the house crew to deal with an oddball rail than it is for a visiting designers, TDs, etc. to deal with line-sets that aren't numbered sequentially. Having said that, I'd want to see muled sets, etc. indicated very clearly at the rope lock, like with orange paint or something.... Along these lines (sorry) I would name German pipes and spotlines much differently from the regular sets, perhaps with the location and/or letters instead of numbers. But hey, that's just me.... th >From: "Brian Munroe" > >What are the preferences for labeling muled sets where the pipes are >out of sequence with the arbors? Label the arbors in order or the >pipes in order? Label the muled sets with a different nomenclature >then the non-muled sets (M1, M2, etc)? > >I have seen all kinds of numbering around the country and haven't >found the best solution for muled sets. What does the list prefer? > >Brian Munroe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:19:39 -0400 From: "David Farrier" Subject: Question to roadhouses Reply-to: wuz [at] epix.net Message-id: <4527FDCB.18082.4774493 [at] wuz.epix.net> I wanted to ask out in the vapours how many houses require show power be turned off while unattended? (like overnight) We always get the reply that "we are the only house that does this" although I know other houses in nearby towns do the same. We have had a fire start during an overnight that could have been a big problem if it had gotten any bigger. But I can imagine many more things that could go wrong. -- David Farrier - 'The Wuz' IATSE Local 97 - Reading, PA ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 19:26:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses At 7:19 PM -0400 10/7/06, David Farrier wrote: >I wanted to ask out in the vapours how many houses require show power >be turned off while unattended? (like overnight) >We always get the reply that "we are the only house that does this" >although I know other houses in nearby towns do the same. When I was ME at the Wharton Center, we always either dumped power at the house's company switch or had the road folks dump their mains at their racks after their gear finished its cool-down time, unless it was something that absolutely-positively *HAD* to stay powered up. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45283D42.5000701 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:50:26 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses References: In-Reply-To: David Farrier wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I wanted to ask out in the vapours how many houses require show power > be turned off while unattended? (like overnight) > We always get the reply that "we are the only house that does this" > although I know other houses in nearby towns do the same. While on tour I would always kill power to my racks before I left for the night. Of course, we were playing in venues that were dubiously secured so I wanted to make it as hard as possible for anyone to play with my toys. The road houses I've worked at, there was never a hard-and-fast policy but everyone turned off their own power so we never had to push the issue. My current house hasn't been an issue. (First show just loaded in.) I will require it when I have shows that use the company switches. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 19:53:27 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: wuz [at] epix.net Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses In-Reply-To: References: > I wanted to ask out in the vapours how many houses require show power > be turned off while unattended? (like overnight) > We always get the reply that "we are the only house that does this" > although I know other houses in nearby towns do the same. You are certainly not the only house that does that. In my experience, most houses around the country turn power off overnight. Exceptions include some automation systems that require power to the computer/racks (not necessarily the motors) to maintain position information. Turning power off during meal breaks and between shows is another matter. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:29:59 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering In-Reply-To: References:

> I don't like numbering. I perfer to have all line sets labeled by > function. Examples would be "1st Electric", "9th Flybar", "2nd Shell" > (acoustic shell) etc. What happens when the 1st Electric is no longer the 1st Electric but instead is the #1 Border? Yes, the _lock rail_ should be labeled by function, perhaps even color coded by working/non working set or type of pipe (Electric, Drop, Masking, etc). But the sets should have some sort of numbering. Your rail cards should have a set number and a description on them. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: Vectorworks quick question.... Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01a501c6ea78$14f7b130$6600a8c0 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: This is so cool. I hadn't even realized how much it was annoying me till I tried this trick. Thanks a lot. Laura 972-333-5016 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Samuel > Jones > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:08 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Vectorworks quick question.... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The breakdown works like this: > If you are using the text tool, use "ESC" "X" > If you are in (editing) the OI palette, use "ESC" "X" > All other times use "X" > > HTH, > Sam > > Samuel L. Jones > Developer of AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight > sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu > > ============================================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4528564B.1090902 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:37:15 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses References: In-Reply-To: We require power be down, or the client needs to pay for 2 electricians to be in the venue over night. We chose two so that if something does go wrong, no one is alone. By things going wrong I explain not just electrical issues, but if some one trips and hurts them selves, falls into a pit, etc. We also make the fee for the electrician hurt to discourage the use of this option. David Farrier wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I wanted to ask out in the vapours how many houses require show power > be turned off while unattended? (like overnight) > We always get the reply that "we are the only house that does this" > although I know other houses in nearby towns do the same. > > We have had a fire start during an overnight that could have been a > big problem if it had gotten any bigger. But I can imagine many more > things that could go wrong. > > -- > David Farrier - 'The Wuz' > IATSE Local 97 - Reading, PA > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:41:27 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses In-Reply-To: References:

> We also make the fee for the electrician hurt to discourage the use of > this option. Like meal penalties. There is a reason that they should be expensive. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <8273F229-6378-487E-BF98-9DEAD50EAC85 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Arbor line numbering Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 22:50:51 -0400 On 7 Oct 2006, at 20:29, Brian Munroe wrote: > Yes, the _lock rail_ should be labeled by function, perhaps even color > coded by working/non working set or type of pipe (Electric, Drop, > Masking, etc). But the sets should have some sort of numbering. Your > rail cards should have a set number and a description on them. One of the first things I did when I started this job, was to put vinyl stick-on numbers on the rail for each lineset. (& matching numbers on the loading gallery.) I number them sequentially, knowing that there is no way budget will allow additional linesets to be installed for many years - and even if they were, I could always re- number them all. I number them according to batten position, so the locking rail (& loading rail) read like 2,3,1,4,5,... due to a muled batten. The purpose of the lineset (1st Electric, 2nd legs etc.) is on the card, but I dislike the numbered cards that Clancy provided - so I flip them over and use the back or simply use white gaff tape and a sharpie. The reason I don't like the numbers on the cards is that when I move something from one batten to another, I simply move the card - and I don't want confusion between the number on the card and the actual lineset number (Marked on the rail). Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c6ea88$9b53f3a0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: General stage policy Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:19:46 -0700 > As for board members/adults, they are not your students and they are over > 18 > so you have a lesser "duty" to insuring their safety. Teachers who > supervise > students there while you're not present need to demonstrate that they > know > how to be safe in the space. Ok, your previous post implied all people of all sorts needed training and a test. You're speaking of students in the functions of their education. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c6ea89$362b62f0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: General stage policy Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:24:06 -0700 > You are lucky to be in a school that "Gets it"! Any school that puts a > teacher with no theatre experience in charge of the theatre, as is the > case with the OP - and not uncommon around here either, does not "Get > it". No one in the faculty or administration would take the time to read > Doom's book. They consider the stage to be just another classroom space. > some actually use the stage for band practice or other classes. Often > kids hang out in the auditorium unsupervised during free periods or after > school. > > If administration doesn't understand or respect the special nature of a > stage, and puts an un-knowledgeable teacher in charge of it, there's not > much anyone can do about the situation. Bruce really nailed it on the head. I have Doom's book. I have given it to administrators and the staff. No one but me has read it. I don't believe any administrator ever cracked the cover. Others have told me outright they didn't read, nor will they have time to read it. No one wants the responsibility, and no one wants things done the way "we" think it should be. They think I'm too castrating. Many give me lip service about my passions for safety, but 10 minutes later, are sending unsupervised kids into the auditorium to practice sectionals, or a scene, or 'whatever.' - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c6ea89$941f0d80$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: General stage policy Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:26:44 -0700 > I wonder if the same administrators allow students to use the heavy > woodworking tools in the shop without training or supervision? Our district got rid of all Voc-Ed classes 12+ years ago. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #975 *****************************