Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36117726; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:01:16 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #977 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #977 1. Re: "Photo" flash by "C. Dopher" 2. Re: "Photo" flash by "Bill Nelson" 3. On being small by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 4. General Stage Policy... by "CATHERINE BRUMM" 5. Re: Strand board harware by "David Bowman" 6. Help needed understanding ETCNet/pathport stuff by "David Fox" 7. Re: Help finding a particular lamp by "John Vink" 8. Re: Help finding a particular lamp by "Michael Finney" 9. Help needed understanding ETCNet/pathport stuff by Paul Marsland 10. Re: General stage policy by CB 11. Re: Question to roadhouses by CB 12. Re: General stage policy by MissWisc [at] aol.com 13. Question to roadhouses by CB 14. Flex time policies by 15. Re: Question to roadhouses by "Paul Schreiner" 16. Re: Question to roadhouses by "RD" 17. Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by "Scott Parker" 18. Dance floor by "Scott Parker" 19. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by Bill Sapsis 20. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by Shawn Palmer 21. Re: Dance floor by Sarah Gowan 22. Re: Dance floor by Stephen Rees 23. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by "Occy" 24. Re: Horizon by Mitch Hefter *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0D0CD43D-2A3A-45B1-BFDD-77991C3CB3C8 [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: "Photo" flash Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:54:00 -0400 Brian Aldous wrote: > > Looking for suggestions here on a common lighting problem that I have > never found a satisfactory "Low Budget" solution for: a staged > "photo" shot. The other suggestions are nice, but I prefer low-technology myself. You want a big, bright, flash-bulb-like flash, you need a big, bright, flashbulb. One-time use only, replace nightly kind of deal. They are brighter than anything else on the market, I think. http://www.flashbulbs.com/meggaflash/meggaflash.html I've used these many times in the past on standard dimmers set to non- dim. As another poster noted, if you have a large area to light-up with this, use several at once, spread throughout the space, or use a multi-bulb flashpan for a more concentrated "overexposed" effect, particularly if you don't like the actie getting "photographed" and want to blind him/her for several minutes. Not that I would ever do such a thing. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2080.205.215.253.113.1160403854.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "Photo" flash From: "Bill Nelson" > The other suggestions are nice, but I prefer low-technology myself. > You want a big, bright, flash-bulb-like flash, you need a big, > bright, flashbulb. One-time use only, replace nightly kind of deal. Yep. You have to use a long strobe pulse, to get the same light duration as a flashbulb. The strobe also has a much higher color temperature - although the blue flashbulbs are fairly close to being daylight balanced. There must be some way to compare lumens or lumen seconds to joules or watts when you know the light curve of the flashbulb, but I don't know it. > I've used these many times in the past on standard dimmers set to non- > dim. Be careful. It only takes about 2-3 volts to trigger these - and very little actual energy (even static electricity can do it). The data specs say 3 amps is required for reliable triggering and I have found that the idle current of many dimmer packs will sometime do it. Use a proper shunt load to minimize the risk. I wear leather gloves when handling the bulbs. The best way is with a proper system that ensures zero current until you want the flash. You might be able to use a chime type doorbell circuit. The final problem is the cost. Flashbulbs have not been manufactured for many years and are getting hard to find. The PF200, which probably is the best for an intense flash on stage, costs about $10 each in packages of 48. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:55:32 -0400 Subject: On being small From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I consider myself the expert on this as I can think of no one smaller than myself. When I was out freelancing in NYC I actually had a couple of bosses tell me at interview that they could not hire me because I was too small. That was in the late 80's. I did enjoy a little revenge on the old fellow at the Delacort when the shop I was working for built his whole season the next summer. He didn't know it but I did. There was also the day 6 guys were standing around trying to figure out how to retrieve a c-wernch that had fallen into a 4x4 hole in an enclosed platform. They were discussing lifting the platform when I walked up and meekly asked what they were trying to do. Of course I knew all along. I then reached my tiny little hand into the hole and said you mean this one. Handed it to one of them and walked away before anything could be said. My Mama always said, "Dynamite comes in small packages!" Merel Ray-Pfeifer TD Cent. Mich. Univ. Mt Pleasant, MI On 10/7/06 4:34 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 10/7/06 1:33 PM, "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" > wrote: >> >>> >>> Hey! Don't dis my fellow thuggish extra's. We make a decent bit of >>> cash through being big and ugly. :) >> >> Being small and ugly has never gotten me any extra work. >> Rob't :-( >> > > I've gotten plenty of work by being small. "Hey Sapsis. Crawl under this > deck and fish out that cable, will ya?" Or.."You want me to climb where??? > I can't fit there but Sapsis can." > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:20:46 -0400 From: "CATHERINE BRUMM" Subject: General Stage Policy... I general manage a facility for a public school system. The policies for using the space are published in the Faculty and Student Handbooks for the two school adjacent to the facility. The policies are also published in a booklet that outlines the process and policies for using the facility that is sent out to everyone from the other schools in the county who requests to use the space. The policy is out there does that mean they actually read it...I can't guarantee that. I train the students who use the facility the most, HS honors and technical theater, for the casts of shows I have created a general idiot's guide to technical rehearsals which I go over before any rehearsals begin on the stage. The Music students who use the stage often but in a less technical capcity are reminded of the basic rules by their teachers before each rehearsal/performance. The middle school students are given the information in much the same way. Most of the time I am at rehearsals to run the technical stuff so I remind and enforce the rules. I am considered a B**** by the general population of students because I have the something or other to enforce the rules of not only the space but the school too. I have been called the b-word by many a student and say yeah so what's your point as I escort them to speak to adminstrators. The students who use the facility may not all like me but realize I enfore the rules for their safety and to perserve the facility they perform in. After four years and 9 months the adminstrators at all levels realize I am good at my job and I know more about the workings of the space then they do. I can safely say I do my job with due diligence et al. for the safety of the school system and the public. Catherine K. Brumm, General Manager Minnie Evans Arts Center Wilmington, NC P) 910-790-2360 x821 F) 910-790-2356 cbrumm [at] nhcs.net www.geocities.com/nhcscbrumm/index.html All e-mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:28:10 -0400 From: "David Bowman" Cc: chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca Subject: Re: Strand board harware Andrew (et all), On our 430 here, we've long hated the way the trackball works and don't use it any more. We've taken to using 1 of 2 solutions: 1. Find a serial mouse (in old computer parts?). Probably easier to find than a Strand trackball. Your system should already be coded to accept a mouse. 2. (more common for us now) fix your encoder pages to include the pan and tilt (or just one of you wish). Commiseration: We used the 430 on the professional stage for 10 years (until we got an Obsession) It's now the main board for the Drama Dept mainstage, but only for shows where we need to control more than just dimmers (i.e. movers, scrollers, etc....). Believe it or not, the 430 is still better for that than the Express (with student designers/programmers). Now if I could just get the floppy to record faster than using stone tablets and to not need to deep clean the board every 2 weeks to avoid a freeze mid-show....... HTH, dave B. David M. Bowman Syracuse Stage / SU Drama Master Electrician / Adj. Professor dmbowman [at] syr.edu Dolor Temporarius... Gloria Aeterna.... Cicatrices Virgines Placent! >>> chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca 10/6/2006 6:42:26 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone: I need help getting parts for the Strand 430 console. My local Strand service tech is going to bat for me, but isn't getting much of a helpful response at this time from the company. The trackball mounted on the face of the 430 works great rolling up and down, but is "clunky" left to right, and seems to be dieing. My tech says the little rubber gaskets on the rolling bars are shot. 1. Does anyone know of a supply for these trackballs? Strand doesn't carry any in stock, and won't be manufacturing any more either. 2. Failing a Strand part solution, does anyone know about retrofitting an off the shelf trackball into the socket, or mounting one on the body of the 430? Some of the Strand staff I talk to are wonderful, and help me as much as they can on the phone. But then I down load a manual that doesn't include text for items listed in the Table of Contents. Sigh. Any help, advice, commiseration, greatly appreciated. Thanks. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in obscurity what it lacks in style Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Subject: Help needed understanding ETCNet/pathport stuff Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:04:19 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Fox" >I went on a service call last week, it turned out the problem was not in my equipment but ended up being traced to a bad node from an ETCNet system. >Here's what I know for sure... >This is a two outlet node, fed from ethernet. >If I unplug the Ethernet from the back of the node, wait 10-20 secs,=20 >plug it back in, I get three lines of text, last 2 referring to IP=20 >addresses, but it never progresses from there. >On a working unit, the three lines of text fly past, and then the Node=20 >ID shows up, listing the node number and what the ports are mapped to. >Sadly, the guy who runs the system day-to-day didn't have any=20 >involvement in setting up the system. And I don't know either, when I=20 >plugged in initially, I just said, "this gizmo is plugged into Node x,=20 >port y" and the guy who set things up made it work. >My questions are: >Where does the node get it's IP info from? >Does the info come down the cable, or is it resident in the node? >If I moved a working unused node into the place of the bad one will it=20 >become a working version of the bad node or the other node in a new place. >Is there some sort of secret, hidden reset button somewhere on the node? >If the actual solution gets into programming stuff, it is WAY beyond my >pay grade, all I need or want to know is the downstream user interface=20 >mechanical type stuff. But I DO need to know whether it is stuff I can >fix or stuff I can't. >Stuart Stuart; I am sorry you are having problems with the Net2 2 port node in your system. It sounds like the node is trying to get an address before it comes up on line. These nodes get their address from a Boot P server running either from a computer running a Net 2 configuration Utility or from an Emphasis Server. The Utility is available for download here: http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/console/ETCNet2_NCE_v4.1.0 .zip Or here is a link to the product and all available downloads http://www.etcconnect.com/product.downloads.asp?ID=3D20091 Once the software is installed you can run the Network address server and get the unit on line. This is a pretty easy and fast process. That involved a small amount of windows configuration and some point and click in the utility.=20 If you have questions or need assistance, please feel free to contact ETC technical Services at 800-775-4382 between 8 am and 5 pm cst and we will be happy to walk you through the process and get this node back online and functioning or coordinate getting you assistance on site. We look forward to helping you David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:43:25 -0600 From: "John Vink" Subject: Re: Help finding a particular lamp In-Reply-To: References: How about this from Philips? www.prismaecat.lighting.philips.com/LightSite/Whirlwind.aspx?eca=LNPPLA&cpf=CANPUS&stg=ACT&lan=US&cnt_key=H_M16ADI+|PLC|134569+++&ecu=LMP|PLC|NP&t=3&tree=0&scr_md=1111&leftnav=1_1&nav=Null&loc=ca_en On 10/8/06, Robert Ingram wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Good Day all, > > I've been trying to find a single lamp for some time now with no luck, > so I'm turning to the wisdom of the list for some assistance. > > I need a replacement lamp for a wall cabinet that uses a 35w, 110v MR-16 > lamp with a twin post. I'm pretty sure that the reason I can't find it > is because I've got the wrong lamp code (there isn't one listed in the > manual or on the dead lamp) and because MR-16's are typically only 12V > or 24V, and these are some closely related lamp. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated either on or off the list. > > Enjoy the holiday tomorrow everyone. > > Rob Ingram > IATSE Local 22 > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Help finding a particular lamp Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:04:42 -0700 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F141AFA [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" Cc: RI1470 [at] aol.com Robert Ingram wrote: <> Hey Rob - if the lamp's base looks more like two small posts (rather than two small pins, like on low voltage MR16's), then you're probably looking at a GU10 base MR16. That base type is completely compatible with the GZ10 base, depending on the heat (aluminum reflectors use the GU10, dichroic reflectors use the GZ10) Those are both typically 120VAC (nominal). I haven't run across a 35W version of that lamp, but Philips makes a 50W version in their "Twistline" product line. Nice lamp - outstanding color rendering. Philips part codes: 25 degree/50W: catalog #130815 (lamp order code: BC50TWISTLINE or BC50GU10/HAL/TL) USHIO makes them as well, in their ProStar line - either 25 degree or 50 degree (again 50W). Nice lamp, but I think the Philips remains a little more color-correct over it's entire life. Then again, you may well need the 50 degree spread in a cabinet... =20 USHIO part codes: 25 degree/50W/aluminized reflector: cat.#1003301 (lamp order code: 50MR16/GU10/NFL25) 50 degree/50W/aluminized reflector: cat.#1003303 (lamp order code: 50MR16/GU10/WFL50) 25 degree/50W/dichroic reflector: cat.#1003305 (lamp order code: 50MR16/GZ10/NFL25) 50 degree/50W/dichroic reflector: cat.#1003307 (lamp order code: 50MR16/GZ10/WFL50) I *think* the right link for this page at USHIO is: http://www.ushio.com/det_gl_prostar.htm I've actually come across these at Home Desperate, Lowes, and Osh - depending on the market (my local Osh here in LA carries them...and one of my electricians in Ogden accidentally bought me one two weeks ago at the local Lowes)(couldn't find one in KC for my folks). Happy shopping! Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061009194621.45550.qmail [at] web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Help needed understanding ETCNet/pathport stuff In-Reply-To: Hey Stuart, While not completely my cup of tea, I can tell you that the setting up of the network, the nodes and such is accomplished via the Network Configuration Editor (NCE) which would be living on someones computer. When you connect all your nodes to the NCE-enabled machine, you can search out all the nodes connected and the NCE assigns their IP addresses - at that point I believe you also assign their Port Attributes (assigned universe and in/output). If the system is an Emphasis system, apparently the Emphasis Server polls for new nodes, when it finds a new addition to your network, the Server either accepts the IP address offered up by the node, or assigns a new IP address on the fly. You can download the NCE manual from the ETC website and read all the gorey details. The IP address is resident in the box -- a working node has the same IP address (and funtionality) on any of the ethernet ports in the system (barring some unknown complexity). A quick call to ETC Tech Support would confirm, but I suspect you have a bad node, beyond the reset button kind of bad. The implication is that the node can power up, but can't communicate. Paul > My questions are: > > Where does the node get it's IP info from? > Does the info come down the cable, or is it resident > in the node? > If I moved a working unused node into the place of > the bad one will it > become a working version of the bad node or the > other node in a new place. > Is there some sort of secret, hidden reset button > somewhere on the node? > > If the actual solution gets into programming stuff, > it is WAY beyond my > pay grade, all I need or want to know is the > downstream user interface > mechanical type stuff. But I DO need to know > whether it is stuff I can > fix or stuff I can't. > > Stuart > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061009122156.00c4caa8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:21:56 From: CB Subject: RE: General stage policy >Absolutely, if you are not there, and someone else in authority is there, >watching and supervising students is responsible for their welfare, safety, >etc. This could explain why teachers are sending their students to rehearse/practice/whatever instead of accompanying them. Plausible deniability... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061009123242.00c4caa8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:32:42 From: CB Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses >Ditto to the responses in favour of shutting down, unless there is something >especially important that wants to be left powered up. I've yet to get any >serious grief from a touring company over this. I always power down the racks when I leave for the night, while touring. I do have a 'utility' breaker on the PD that has it's own quad built onto the PD that I keep on for a night-light (think ghost light for Audio), and to charge radio's etc. If the power to the PD is to be disconnected, or the house grouch insists that it be powered don completely, I just ask where I can plug in my chargers and have them charge overnight. Asking the house grouch has alway had the effect of making it his problem, and he has always come up with a solution. "These outlets back here are always on", or, "You can plug them in in my office" or something similar. Between shows on a two show day nothing changes. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <277.116231f2.325c055e [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:04:46 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy _psyd [at] cox.net_ (mailto:psyd [at] cox.net) writes: << Sounds like the Blonde leading the Blind...>> Hey! I resemble that remark! << I can't tell you how many times I've been called on the carpet for being smarter than my superiors. They tend to call it insubordination when they realize that they haven't a portion of the skillset you do... >> I told a principal I'd rather be insubordinate than dead. Then I handed her my resignation. There were MANY times that principal expected me to lie - to parents, to other teachers, even to district administration. Felt good to get out of there. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061009124237.00c4caa8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:42:37 From: CB Subject: Question to roadhouses > I have never seen a sound >person power down once they were installed. I've never seen a pope wear underwear under all those robes, but I never looked either. Just because you haven't seen it doens't mean that it doesn't happen all the time. Well, every time I leave the venue for a prolonged period, anyways. Might have something to do with sound kit's lack of history as 'The Ignition Source'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19705776.1160425111878.JavaMail.root [at] fed1wml06> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:18:31 -0700 From: Subject: Flex time policies Hey, Is there anyone out there that works for either a City or a non-profit org with a flex time policy for exempt employees? If there is could you share a copy of the policy with me? Thanks in advance, Randy ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Question to roadhouses Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:57:27 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A066FD87E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I've never seen a pope wear underwear under all those robes,=20 > but I never looked either. Just because you haven't seen it=20 > doens't mean that it doesn't happen all the time. =20 Well, I heard tell that John Paul II was a boxer kinda guy, but that Benedict tends to go commando... Yeah, yeah, I know. I've already got my time-share lined up for the 8th plane of Hell. :) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Question to roadhouses Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:06:08 -0600 Message-ID: <02dd01c6ebe6$be32e610$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I do not believe that for a moment. Dr. doom I mean about the last line ... Pshaw. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Question to roadhouses For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I've never seen a pope wear underwear under all those robes, but I > never looked either. Just because you haven't seen it doens't mean > that it doesn't happen all the time. Well, I heard tell that John Paul II was a boxer kinda guy, but that Benedict tends to go commando... Yeah, yeah, I know. I've already got my time-share lined up for the 8th plane of Hell. :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980610091727m4cc8640fjd34c9e3a20e7fda0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:27:33 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? Greetings All, Does anyone have any experience with sound proof curtains or movable walls? I have an upstage area that we are considering closing off to expand the shop space. However, we want the option of opening it up for performance needs if necessary. I'm looking for a sound resistant solution. The opening is approximately 38' wide by 19' tall. We're just in the preliminary stage of exploring the options. Any ball park pricing that anyone has knowledge of would be very helpful.... Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980610091734m6934c8ddue33a28c696424355 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:34:04 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Dance floor Hello All, We are, supposedly, being given a classroom to hold Broadway style dance classes in. Right now it has a tile floor. So, I need to cover it. I have pricing on Rosco and Harlequin 1/4" floors, but I fear that these may not provide enough cushion. Does anyone have basic pricing and/or suggestions for more of a sprung floor? My 4 year old attended a birthday party at one of those gym places and they have a really bouncy floor. 4" springs under two layers of 3/4" ply with a full 1" foam cover. I think this would be overkill for the tap classes. Any suggestions and/or cost estimates would be very helpful as I have to give the provost office numbers asap. Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:38:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Scott. The first thing you need to do is take out your wallet and dump out all the money. Now repeat that process with the rest of the staff, faculty and students. My experience with sound proofing, especially something large and moveable, is you get what you pay for. Having said that...about 40 years ago the Zellerbach Theatre (good lord, was it that long ago?) at the Univ. of Penna.had some sound doors built for their shop which was right across the hall from the stage. They worked very well. Maybe you can find out who built them. I can tell you with confidence that curtain by themselves won't do the job. Unless you have very, very quiet shop people. I'm sure folks on this list have more recent experiences. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/9/06 8:27 PM, "Scott Parker" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings All, > Does anyone have any experience with sound proof curtains or movable > walls? I have an upstage area that we are considering closing off to > expand the shop space. However, we want the option of opening it up > for performance needs if necessary. > I'm looking for a sound resistant solution. The opening is > approximately 38' wide by 19' tall. We're just in the preliminary > stage of exploring the options. Any ball park pricing that anyone has > knowledge of would be very helpful.... > > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452AEFCE.20503 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:56:46 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? References: In-Reply-To: > Greetings All, > Does anyone have any experience with sound proof curtains or movable > walls? I have an upstage area that we are considering closing off to > expand the shop space. However, we want the option of opening it up > for performance needs if necessary. > I'm looking for a sound resistant solution. The opening is > approximately 38' wide by 19' tall. We're just in the preliminary > stage of exploring the options. Any ball park pricing that anyone has > knowledge of would be very helpful.... > > Thanks and take care, Scott http://www.wondoor.com/New/New%20Pages/apps_ds.htm They are not cheap. As far as curtains (or more accurately, folding partitions) go, they are nice. Some time ago I installed several. I've seen other brands that aren't nearly as heavy duty. However, I do not think there is a perfect solution to this problem. I think you will either be sacrificing noise suppression or flexibility. FWIW Shawn Palmer Appleton, WI USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:02:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Dance floor From: Sarah Gowan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi Scott- You might want to look into the Jubilee Dance floor: http://www.jubileedancefloor.com Our clogging team has used it as a portable floor very successfully on all kinds of surfaces, but it can also be used as a permanent floor. Not as nice as a real hardwood sprung floor, but it's a pretty good alternative. Most of us have been hovering at age thirty nine for more than a few years and are very careful about protecting feet and joints from injury. This floor has been a real knee-saver! Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://users.rcn.com/ladysmyth/ http://www.sapsis-rigging.com http://www.lrlr.org/ on 10/9/06 8:34 PM, Scott Parker at scparker [at] gmail.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All, > We are, supposedly, being given a classroom to hold Broadway style > dance classes in. Right now it has a tile floor. So, I need to cover > it. I have pricing on Rosco and Harlequin 1/4" floors, but I fear that > these may not provide enough cushion. Does anyone have basic pricing > and/or suggestions for more of a sprung floor? > My 4 year old attended a birthday party at one of those gym places and > they have a really bouncy floor. 4" springs under two layers of 3/4" > ply with a full 1" foam cover. I think this would be overkill for the > tap classes. > > Any suggestions and/or cost estimates would be very helpful as I have > to give the provost office numbers asap. > > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:13:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Dance floor From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Scott, Check out L'Air floors. Our new choreo had one installed on our studio and it is wonderful, she says. Steve On 10/9/06 8:34 PM, "Scott Parker" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All, > We are, supposedly, being given a classroom to hold Broadway style > dance classes in. Right now it has a tile floor. So, I need to cover > it. I have pricing on Rosco and Harlequin 1/4" floors, but I fear that > these may not provide enough cushion. Does anyone have basic pricing > and/or suggestions for more of a sprung floor? > My 4 year old attended a birthday party at one of those gym places and > they have a really bouncy floor. 4" springs under two layers of 3/4" > ply with a full 1" foam cover. I think this would be overkill for the > tap classes. > > Any suggestions and/or cost estimates would be very helpful as I have > to give the provost office numbers asap. > > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:15:45 -0700 At that height perfect for "air walls", like they have in every convention center and ball room I have ever been in. The last true air wall I saw was in 2000 its gone too, better technologies and labor time for switch overs... The old days are gone and I am glad they are in so many ways. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Parker" --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings All, > Does anyone have any experience with sound proof curtains or movable > walls? I have an upstage area that we are considering closing off to > expand the shop space. However, we want the option of opening it up > for performance needs if necessary. > I'm looking for a sound resistant solution. The opening is > approximately 38' wide by 19' tall. We're just in the preliminary > stage of exploring the options. Any ball park pricing that anyone has > knowledge of would be very helpful.... > > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008233050.01f41810 [at] mail.designrelief.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 20:38:24 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: Horizon Ben Eastep wrote: >I know the horizon website says you can't do it, but I'm going to ask >anyway... > >Does anyone know of a way to make one of the old Parallel port Horizon >boxes work on a new laptop with lots of USB, but no parallel ports..? To which Kyler Glaze responded: >You would need a Horizon specific USB to parallel converter. Common USB to >parallel converters are only made to communicate with printers. They won't >work with scanners, zip drives, etc. because the USB connector is hard >wired to certain pins in the parallel connector. Horizon may not use those >pins or may use more pins that would be dead in the adapter. > >Your best bet would be to get a parallel PCMCIA card. The one by Quatech >seems to have good compatibility and user reviews. You can get it from the >manufacturer's website (http://www.quatech.com/catalog/parallel_pcmcia.php >) for >about $130, but I've seen it elsewhere for just slightly under $100. > >Hope that helps. > >Kyler Glaze >Webmaster >USITT [at] UTA >http://www.usittuta.org/ The Horizon Control website says the following regarding the Horizon 512 Interface (IPS_HZ-512): "This device will not work with any USB to parallel adapters on newer laptops, it requires a TRUE ECP port." Entertainment Technology manufactures the hardware and markets the Horizon product line, Horizon Control develops and supports the software. Horizon Control advised me that the PCMCIA cards are the only thing they have found that works, and the one they recommend is the Quatech card. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter Office: Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 :: +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com :: http://www.lolcontrols.com http://www.vari-lite.com :: http://www.genlyte.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #977 *****************************