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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36199998; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:32:00 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #979 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:30:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #979 1. Re: LDI plans by Herrick Goldman 2. RC4 at LDI by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 3. in search of dry ice fogger by Daniel Nazworth 4. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Patrick Immel" 5. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Tony Deeming" 6. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Andrew Vance 7. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 8. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: ETC RFU by Ian Schmidt 10. Speaking of ETC RFUs.... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by KEITH ARSENAULT 12. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 13. Re: ETC RFU by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: ETC RFU by Greg Persinger 15. Re: ETC RFU by Stephen Litterst 16. Barbed Wire/Razor wire on stage by "David R. Krajec" 17. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Steve Shelley 18. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Bill Nelson" 19. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Tony Deeming" 20. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Steve Shelley 21. Dress Parades by "Delbert Hall" 22. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Stephen Litterst 23. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jon Ares" 24. Re: ETC RFU by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 25. Re: Dress Parades by "Joe Saint" 26. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 27. Re: Dress Parades by "Jon Ares" 28. Re: Dress Parades by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 29. Re: ETC RFU by "Paul Schreiner" 30. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Jeff Grams 31. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 32. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 33. Re: ETC RFU Receiver only by "Alf Sauve" 34. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jon Ares" 35. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 36. Re: Dress Parades by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 37. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Stephen Litterst 38. Re: Alan Symonds Memorial by Bill Sapsis 39. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by Bill Sapsis 40. Emergency Lights for my new space by Barney Simon 41. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 42. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 43. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 44. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 45. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Brian Munroe" 46. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Brian Munroe" 47. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by KEITH ARSENAULT 48. Re: Tesla coils by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 49. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 50. Re: Tesla coils by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 51. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 52. Snowballs by Pat Kight 53. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Clive Mitchell 54. Re: Tesla coils by Clive Mitchell 55. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by "Alf Sauve" 56. Re: Snowballs by "Haagen Trey P Civ USAFA/CWTMC" 57. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by CB 58. Re: ETC RFU by 59. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by Barney Simon 60. Re: Tesla coils by CB 61. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by 62. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Michael Heinicke 63. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by Bill Sapsis 64. Re: Snowballs by "Delbert Hall" 65. Re: Snowballs by Pat Kight 66. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by "Don Rowe" 67. Re: Tesla coils by Jerry Durand 68. Re: Tesla coils by Jerry Durand 69. Re: barbed wire by Bill Schaffell 70. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by "Alan Bryson" 71. Re: Snowballs by Ford Sellers *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:46:36 -0400 Subject: Re: LDI plans From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7888229.1160544825117.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Why would I bother to remember? On 10/11/06 1:30 AM, "Occy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am Occy and never forget it... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herrick Goldman" >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> And a happy Succot to you too! Hey I just got it! Saint! Hah. At least we >> both use our names. Who the heck is OCCY? > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RC4 at LDI Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01c6ed37$db1c5890$7f9bfea9 [at] p3m866> Hi Everyone. The LDI show is next week in Las Vegas. I'll be there, speaking on the panel "Wireless DMX and Other Data Protocols for Entertainment". More info at: http://preview.ldishow.com/conference/wireless_dmx_and/index.html RC4 will not be exhibiting at LDI this year, but I'll be in town from Wednesday to Sunday. Please call if you'd like to chat in person about wireless dimming, wireless DMX, or just put a face to my name. :) BTW, the new Cirque du Soliel LOVE at the Mirage uses an RC4 system. RC4 UPDATE: We've recently completed major enhancements to our RX4-FD Functional Diversity motor control receiver. It now provides four different modes for motor control, including a sophisticated PV (proportional / velocity) servo system. Check it out at: http://www.theatrewireless.com/mss.htm Thanks for your time, and I hope to hear from you! Jim RC4 Regular email may not reach me in Vegas. My cellular is 416-720-5802. You can text-message me during LDI at 4167205802 [at] pcs.rogers.com (160 character max). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452CF0D3.2090103 [at] kwu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:25:39 -0500 From: Daniel Nazworth Reply-To: dnaz [at] kwu.edu Organization: Kansas Wesleyan Theatre Subject: in search of dry ice fogger References: In-Reply-To: Good Morning to the list, I am in need of renting or borrowing a dry ice fogger for "The Magic Flute". I am in the middle of Kansas (Salina), the singers feel that anything but dry ice will kill their voices so a regular fogger with a chiller won't work. Anyone know of a fogger that I can get my hands on for a week in November the 11th through the 18? Thanks to all Dan Nazworth > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:27:34 -0500 From: "Patrick Immel" Cc: dnaz [at] kwu.edu Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger In-Reply-To: References:

Hey Dan...how's it going! Have to tried any of the rental joints in KC? Just off the top of my head there is A to Z Theatrical and Harvest Productions. I have worked with Harvest before with OUTSTANDING results...when you call talk to Chris Stewart, he is a great guy and will do whatever he needs to do to help you out! Tell him hi for me! Hope this helps and I'll see you at Ks Thespians in a couple of months! Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com VW Designer V12.5 1GB Ram Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2 On 10/11/06, Daniel Nazworth wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Good Morning to the list, > I am in need of renting or borrowing a dry ice fogger for "The Magic > Flute". I am in the middle of Kansas (Salina), the singers feel that > anything but dry ice will kill their voices so a regular fogger with a > chiller won't work. Anyone know of a fogger that I can get my hands on > for a week in November the 11th through the 18? > Thanks to all > Dan Nazworth > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: dnaz [at] kwu.edu Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:31:30 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: G'day, Dan. First question - professional company or am-dram? If it's a pro singing group then you'll probably have little luck with this, but if it's an amateur company then I'd start off by challenging (in a polite sort of way) the statement that it will 'kill their voices'. This topic is as old as, well, as old as the oldest smoke machine! It's been covered here and many other places, and is almost as vociferous as the "Do real singers need radio mics" or (dare I say) the Congo Blue debate. My personal view is that the vast majority of (theatre quality) foggers and hazers are perfectly fine to use in ALL applications with regard to the majority of singers. There may be SOME people who may have an affliction (eg asthma) who MAY experience mild irritation with stage smoke, but I know many asthmatics who say it bothers them not at all. Some smokes MAY dry out the throat if used constantly throughout a show (more prevalent in haze use) but again, the singers would need to be in the smoke for a while and singing most of that time for it to be any real problem. And dry ice itself can serve to dry out those same people's throats in similar circumstances. Quite simply, theatrical smoke/haze is perfectly safe for the majority. The main problem with a portion of the luvvies out there is one of psychosomatic symptoms - the same ones the audiences sometimes exhibit..... Curtains closed - audience silent... curtains open lights up, they see the haze and immediately you'll get half a dozen stifled coughs! That's a fact!!! Dry ice WILL cost your group more than hiring a decent hazer/fogger/chilled fogger (unless you have a friendly source for the CO2). I'd personally go back and discuss reasons, costs and overall fitness for purpose for the effect. TD --------------------------------------------------- > > Good Morning to the list, > I am in need of renting or borrowing a dry ice fogger for "The Magic > Flute". I am in the middle of Kansas (Salina), the singers feel that > anything but dry ice will kill their voices so a regular fogger with a > chiller won't work. Anyone know of a fogger that I can get my hands on > for a week in November the 11th through the 18? > Thanks to all > Dan Nazworth > > > > > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:35:42 -0400 On 11 Oct, 2006, at 09:25 , Daniel Nazworth wrote: > I am in need of renting or borrowing a dry ice fogger for "The > Magic Flute". I am in the middle of Kansas (Salina), the singers > feel that anything but dry ice will kill their voices so a regular > fogger with a chiller won't work. Anyone know of a fogger that I > can get my hands on for a week in November the 11th through the 18? Dan => I don't know how far you're willing to drive, but both TMS and Heartland Scenic Studio in Omaha have dry ice foggers available for rent. I'm sure there's closer options, like Kansas City or Topeka, but I don't know the rental shops around there. Perhaps KSU in Manhattan has one they would rent/loan you? -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:36:28 -0400 Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Call Bruce Bardwell at Fort Hays State University. I had a brand new one when I left there years back. 55 gal barrel, heater, ice basket, etc. Bruce took over when I left. Steve > From: Daniel Nazworth > Organization: Kansas Wesleyan Theatre > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:25:39 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: in search of dry ice fogger > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Good Morning to the list, > I am in need of renting or borrowing a dry ice fogger for "The Magic > Flute". I am in the middle of Kansas (Salina), the singers feel that > anything but dry ice will kill their voices so a regular fogger with a > chiller won't work. Anyone know of a fogger that I can get my hands on > for a week in November the 11th through the 18? > Thanks to all > Dan Nazworth > > >> >> ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c6ed3b$61046850$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > There > may be SOME people who may have an affliction (eg asthma) who > MAY experience mild irritation with stage smoke, but I know > many asthmatics who say it bothers them not at all. Very true, but if a singer *thinks* he's having trouble with fog -- even if it's psychosomatic (or, for that matter, psychotic) -- he *is* having trouble with fog. It's simply not a winnable battle. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:52:22 -0400 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: ETC RFU In-reply-to: Message-id: <452CF716.30908 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can any of the ETC reps out there answer a quick question for me? > > We're planning on buying a RRFU unit to go with our Express > consoles...but we can't find anywhere listed an option for purchasing a > separate receiver so that we don't have to unplug the box from one board > and truck it across campus to venue number two. I see where one > receiver can "support multiple units", and where it's possible to have > mulitple systems functioning in the same area, but nothing about this > particular option. Will it work? > Do you mean a RVI not an RFU? If it's just the RFU then you can unplug the RFU from the port in the wall backstage or in the house whereever the 6 pin port is and walk the remote over to the other space. If it's the RVI then you would probably want to get 2 RVI's. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. Ian -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: Speaking of ETC RFUs.... Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:57:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c6ed3d$3d801530$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Has anyone here upgraded their console, thereby having been left with an RFU for Expression I (or Insight I, Impression I, etc.) you'd like to sell cheaply? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:01:06 -0400 for a large NUTCRACKER i did at the Tampa Bay Performing Arts Center, we had THE FLORIDA ORCHESTRA in the pit. for the top of Act II, , the stage was flooded ( 18" or so ) with dry ice produced fog, inevitably, as the curtain rose, it spilled downstage and into the orchestra pit. A few members of the orchestra (and many felt it was "beneath them" to be doing a pit job) would literally intentionally lean forward into the closest available mic and cough vociferously. My solution (expensive) was to put two additional IA "props" guys on the call, , each armed with an electric box fan ( $11 at your nearest big box store ) who literally blew away any offending puffs of fog that wandered into the pit, , arrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh I wish I could say this was a psychosomatic reaction, , but in this case it wasn't... On Oct 11, 2006, at 9:31 AM, Tony Deeming wrote: Quite simply, theatrical smoke/haze is perfectly safe for the majority. The main problem with a portion of the luvvies out there is one of psychosomatic symptoms - the same ones the audiences sometimes exhibit..... Curtains closed - audience silent... curtains open lights up, they see the haze and immediately you'll get half a dozen stifled coughs! That's a fact!!! Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c6ed3e$6be1e740$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > A few members of the orchestra (and many felt it was "beneath them" > to be doing a pit job) would literally intentionally lean > forward into the closest available mic and cough vociferously. While I would never, ever, cast aspersions on musicians' capacity to act assaholically (which clearly was happening in this case) the temperature difference inherent in CO2 fog can cause tuning problems. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC RFU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A066FDC6B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Do you mean a RVI not an RFU? If it's just the RFU then you=20 > can unplug the RFU from the port in the wall backstage or in=20 > the house whereever the 6 pin port is and walk the remote=20 > over to the other space. If it's the RVI then you would=20 > probably want to get 2 RVI's. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. There's a new version of the RFU that does radio transmission. The RFU itself is cordless, with a receiver that plugs into the back of the board...and that's what I'm curious about, whether one RFU can control multiple receivers so that I can leave the receivers plugged in semi-permanently. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:12:00 -0500 Subject: Re: ETC RFU From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ian, He means RRFU or Radio Remote Focus Unit. To the best of my knowledge ETC only sells the RRFU as a package. I don't have any part numbers for just a receiver or a transmitter, only as a package. I would call your ETC dealer and ask them to check on this for you. Greg Persinger On 10/11/06 8:52 AM, "Ian Schmidt" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Paul Schreiner wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Can any of the ETC reps out there answer a quick question for me? >> >> We're planning on buying a RRFU unit to go with our Express >> consoles...but we can't find anywhere listed an option for purchasing a >> separate receiver so that we don't have to unplug the box from one board >> and truck it across campus to venue number two. I see where one >> receiver can "support multiple units", and where it's possible to have >> mulitple systems functioning in the same area, but nothing about this >> particular option. Will it work? >> > Do you mean a RVI not an RFU? If it's just the RFU then you can unplug > the RFU from the port in the wall backstage or in the house whereever > the 6 pin port is and walk the remote over to the other space. If it's > the RVI then you would probably want to get 2 RVI's. Please someone > correct me if I'm wrong. > > Ian ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452CFB9F.7080505 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:11:43 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: ETC RFU References:

In-Reply-To: Ian Schmidt wrote: > > Do you mean a RVI not an RFU? If it's just the RFU then you can unplug > the RFU from the port in the wall backstage or in the house whereever > the 6 pin port is and walk the remote over to the other space. If it's > the RVI then you would probably want to get 2 RVI's. Please someone > correct me if I'm wrong. He's talking about the Radio RFU (RRFU). Not as well-known as the WiFi RFU, the RRFU requires a receiver to be connected to the console. Purchasing a second receiver allows the handheld RFU unit to move from venue to venue easily without mucking about with unplugging things from the booth. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: Barbed Wire/Razor wire on stage Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:18:15 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Get some electric fence wire and some twist ties (like they use on loaves of bread and garbage bags). String your wire where you want it and then twist the ties on the wire every 3" or so. Whatever looks good. Since the fence wire is coiled, it'll loop like barbed wire and the twist ties will look like the barbs. Cheap and easy. Just like me! ;>) David R. Krajec Assoc. Professor/Theatre Cardinal Stritch University 414-410-4170 drkrajec [at] stritch.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:22:51 -0400 Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Very true. You should see what happens when you fill an entire pit with liquid nitrogen in the middle of an orchestra rehearsal. Which is entirely different than when you fill the entire pit with melted ice water.... On 10/11/06 10:06 AM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> A few members of the orchestra (and many felt it was "beneath them" >> to be doing a pit job) would literally intentionally lean >> forward into the closest available mic and cough vociferously. > > While I would never, ever, cast aspersions on musicians' capacity to act > assaholically (which clearly was happening in this case) the temperature > difference inherent in CO2 fog can cause tuning problems. > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1871.205.215.254.82.1160576903.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger From: "Bill Nelson" > Very true. You should see what happens when you fill an entire pit with > liquid nitrogen in the middle of an orchestra rehearsal. Which is entirely > different than when you fill the entire pit with melted ice water.... If you filled the pit with either nitrogen or CO2, you would have an unconscious orchestra. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > > There > > may be SOME people who may have an affliction (eg asthma) who > > MAY experience mild irritation with stage smoke, but I know > > many asthmatics who say it bothers them not at all. > > > Very true, but if a singer *thinks* he's having trouble with fog > -- even if > it's psychosomatic (or, for that matter, psychotic) -- he *is* having > trouble with fog. > > It's simply not a winnable battle. > Hmmm... It's only 100% un-winnable if you don't try the arguments first. OK - if it's a regular 'thing' then past experience may dictate the lose-ability from the start, but if these are 'new' luvvies to the venue, then surely it's worth a shot? I've done various things in the past to demonstrate the safeness of a number of effects, and me, myself, I doing a short song (and I have to admit to having a fair old singing voice) from the midst of a stage filled with nought but smoke is just one of them! I know what you're saying about the psycho-angle, and you're right... BUT the more people that get away with their fantasy ailments in fog the more problems we make for ourselves. Worth a try in my book! 8-)) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:47:03 -0400 Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yep. Pretty close. I think the anger kept them awake tho. Either that or the screaming conductor. On 10/11/06 10:28 AM, "Bill Nelson" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Very true. You should see what happens when you fill an entire pit with >> liquid nitrogen in the middle of an orchestra rehearsal. Which is entirely >> different than when you fill the entire pit with melted ice water.... > > If you filled the pit with either nitrogen or CO2, you would have an > unconscious orchestra. > > Bill > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:57:24 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Dress Parades I just had a conversation with a costume designer who said that she despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). She said that professional theatres do not have dress parade. This seemed stange to me so I am curious as to how many professional and university theatres have dress parades for their productions and when in relation to "dress rehearsals" do you have them? Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D066B.2060505 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:57:47 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>Very true. You should see what happens when you fill an entire pit with >>liquid nitrogen in the middle of an orchestra rehearsal. Which is entirely >>different than when you fill the entire pit with melted ice water.... > > > If you filled the pit with either nitrogen or CO2, you would have an > unconscious orchestra. And? You say that like it's a bad thing. At least they'll be in tune. :) Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004d01c6ed47$a60eda50$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:12:21 -0700 > Very true. You should see what happens when you fill an entire pit with > liquid nitrogen in the middle of an orchestra rehearsal. Which is entirely > different than when you fill the entire pit with melted ice water.... Hmm... I think I'd like to have one or both options.... might be handy... At my school, we have a brilliant conductor, who his kids worship and blindly follow him to the edge of the world and beyond. Leading by example, he can perform as both martyr and Holier than Thou simultaneously - and so do his kids. For years I've been trying to break that 'wall' between the "lowly pit musician" and the rest of the world. The actors have tried as well... those kids (and their conductor) think they're lowly peons, but also deserve golden pillows, because they're "trained musicians," and the actors are just dancing monkeys. They also trash the pit with all their food and drink refuse... assuming someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after them.... (Of course there's no food or drink in the theatre, but obviously that doesn't apply to musicians, right? After all, they're WORKING, and everyone else is just playing.) /Rant off. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: ETC RFU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c6ed48$0481ee10$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > curious about, whether one RFU can control multiple receivers > so that I can leave the receivers plugged in semi-permanently. What's the range? Is there the possibility that the RFU, being used in one venue, could cause...unfortunate...results in the other? ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: RE: Dress Parades Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c6ed48$06f3d870$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: When I was in grad school at UVa, they added Dress Parades to the schedule when the new head of design arrived. She was also the CD for Heritage Rep, the summer theatre there, so Heritage also did dress parades. IIRC, the dress parades were held during the dinner break of focus calls. The thought was that frontlight focus would be done by then and they could see the costumes under some lighting. This was usually 8 days before opening, and 5 days before the first dress. It was the only place I have ever seen a dress parade before or since. Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Dress Parades For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I just had a conversation with a costume designer who said that she despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). She said that professional theatres do not have dress parade. This seemed stange to me so I am curious as to how many professional and university theatres have dress parades for their productions and when in relation to "dress rehearsals" do you have them? Thanks. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c6ed48$1a77e0d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > If you filled the pit with either nitrogen or CO2, you would > have an unconscious orchestra. See? There *is* an "up" side. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005d01c6ed48$374c3fd0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Dress Parades Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:16:24 -0700 > I just had a conversation with a costume designer who said that she > despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage > under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). > She said that professional theatres do not have dress parade. Wow... I have never met a Costume Designer that didn't crave seeing her/his works "under the light" as often as possible.... I've never known one to turn down the opportunity. All the pro regionals I've worked at had costume parades at some point - occasionally not with the actual actor, but a shop assistant of roughly the same build... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Dress Parades Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <002901c6ed48$bdd8ad40$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > She said that professional > theatres do not have dress parade. Some do; some don't. Some have dress parade under worklight. I'd imagine that a dress parade to her is like a cue-to-cue is to me, so I understand her dislike of them. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC RFU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A066FDCFD [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com > What's the range? Is there the possibility that the RFU,=20 > being used in one venue, could cause...unfortunate...results=20 > in the other? Considering the complete lack of cell phone signal in the one building at stage level and the fact that the other venue is about an eight-minute walk across campus, I wouldn't expect that to be a problem. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:11:03 -0500 From: Jeff Grams Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger In-reply-to: Message-id: References: My Favorite was the horn players that said that any exposure to CO2 would damage their horn. > > A few members of the orchestra (and many felt it was "beneath them" >> to be doing a pit job) would literally intentionally lean >> forward into the closest available mic and cough vociferously. > >While I would never, ever, cast aspersions on musicians' capacity to act >assaholically (which clearly was happening in this case) the temperature >difference inherent in CO2 fog can cause tuning problems. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:23:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01c6ed49$26631120$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > well... those kids (and their conductor) think they're lowly > peons, but also > deserve golden pillows, because they're "trained musicians," > and the actors > are just dancing monkeys. When I was in college, those many years ago, we had a conductor say, in front of (almost) the entire Theatre Department, "Any fool can act; all it takes is common sense." > They also trash the pit with all their food and drink > refuse... assuming > someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after > them.... So? Just leave it there. Let them wallow in it. Are there trash cans nearby? Do they have a practical alternative? ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:23:59 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061011.082416.15672.571085 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Good Rant! ~Anyone, now - Please continue where Jon left off~ /s/ Richard ________________________ those kids (and their conductor) think they're lowly peons, = but also deserve golden pillows, because they're "trained musicians," = and the actors are just dancing monkeys. They also trash the pit with all their food and drink refuse... = assuming someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after = them.... (Of course there's no food or drink in the theatre, but = obviously that doesn't apply to musicians, right? After all, they're = WORKING, and everyone else is just playing.) /Rant off. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative = ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC RFU Receiver only Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" I too would like multiple receivers so that I can walk from one venue to the next with my handheld and work the lights without going to the lighting position. I've put it in next years budget. ON the flip side,having an extra xmiter isn't a bad thing either. And I'm will to bet the incremental cost is worth just getting the whole package. Alf 770 971-2880 x297=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Greg Persinger Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:12 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: ETC RFU For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Ian, He means RRFU or Radio Remote Focus Unit. To the best of my knowledge ETC only sells the RRFU as a package. I don't have any part numbers for just a receiver or a transmitter, only as a package. I would call your ETC dealer and ask them to check on this for you. Greg Persinger On 10/11/06 8:52 AM, "Ian Schmidt" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Paul Schreiner wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Can any of the ETC reps out there answer a quick question for me? >>=20 >> We're planning on buying a RRFU unit to go with our Express=20 >> consoles...but we can't find anywhere listed an option for purchasing >> a separate receiver so that we don't have to unplug the box from one=20 >> board and truck it across campus to venue number two. I see where=20 >> one receiver can "support multiple units", and where it's possible to >> have mulitple systems functioning in the same area, but nothing about >> this particular option. Will it work? >> =20 > Do you mean a RVI not an RFU? If it's just the RFU then you can=20 > unplug the RFU from the port in the wall backstage or in the house=20 > whereever the 6 pin port is and walk the remote over to the other=20 > space. If it's the RVI then you would probably want to get 2 RVI's. =20 > Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. >=20 > Ian ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c6ed49$f0961140$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:28:45 -0700 >> They also trash the pit with all their food and drink >> refuse... assuming >> someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after >> them.... > > Are there trash cans nearby? Do they have a practical alternative? > Yes and yes... they can NOT bring treats into the theatre, just like all the other people... (water is allowed, of course) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:28:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c6ed49$f978b1f0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > My Favorite was the horn players that said that any exposure to CO2 > would damage their horn. Next time, suggest that they purchase better instruments -- perhaps something made of brass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:38:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Dress Parades From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: She must be a "late-finisher" and doesn't want criticism to start too soon. I've never met one who didn't want it. Many designers were not totally done by the time dress parade came around. I believe that it is the director's decision, not hers. Steve > From: "Delbert Hall" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:57:24 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Dress Parades > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I just had a conversation with a costume designer who said that she > despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage > under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). > She said that professional theatres do not have dress parade. This > seemed stange to me so I am curious as to how many professional and > university theatres have dress parades for their productions and when > in relation to "dress rehearsals" do you have them? Thanks. > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D105F.8090207 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:40:15 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger References:

In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > At my school, we have a brilliant conductor, who his kids worship and > blindly follow him to the edge of the world and beyond. Leading by > example, he can perform as both martyr and Holier than Thou > simultaneously - and so do his kids. For years I've been trying to > break that 'wall' between the "lowly pit musician" and the rest of the > world. The actors have tried as well... those kids (and their > conductor) think they're lowly peons, but also deserve golden pillows, > because they're "trained musicians," and the actors are just dancing > monkeys. The interim music director at my last school was of the opinion that the pit orchestra be a registered ensemble just like Wind Ensemble or Symphony Orchestra. After all, many of the grads would end up working in one eventually, the might as well get used to it now. That didn't go over to well with the Dean of Music. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:40:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Alan Symonds Memorial From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Forgive me, Mike Katz, if I'm duplicating your efforts but I just received this notice and though the list should know about it. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Dear all,=20 Harvard College, the Office for the Arts at Harvard, and the student theatr= e community invite you to attend a celebration of the life of Alan Symonds on Monday, November 13, 2006, at 3 p.m. in the Agassiz Theatre, located at 10 Garden Street. Alan was Harvard College=B9s much-loved Director of Technical Theatre and the founder of the Freshman Arts Program. Over many years, he guided thousands of students in theatre production and mentored many undergraduates who have gone on to productive theatre careers. Please join Harvard students, friends, and alumni in this remembrance of Alan. There will be a slide show at the service to celebrate Alan. Please send any photographs or slides of Alan that you would like to be included in the show to Alison Cherry, either by emailing her at o= r by mailing them to 16 Prospect Park SW, Apt. 56, Brooklyn, NY 11215. She promises to return everything intact. The Alan Symonds Fund for College Theater In remembrance of Alan Symonds, Harvard=B9s long-time Director of Technical Theatre, and his extraordinary contribution to student drama over decades, the College has established the Alan Symonds Fund for College Theatre. Income from the fund will be used for two purposes: =80 To create an annual award called the Alan Symonds Award in Technical Theatre and Design. This award will be given to a graduating senior who ha= s demonstrated extraordinary commitment and talent in technical theatre and/o= r scenic and lighting design. =80 To support special initiatives and needs in college theatre consistent with Alan=B9s own interests and work. These needs will vary and include a wide range of possibilities, including funding for technical theatre workshops, purchase and/or upgrades of technical equipment, and funding for guest designers or technical professionals to work with students. The common strand among these projects will be that they align with Alan=B9s interest in maintaining the highest possible standards in design and technical theatre production. Gifts may be made payable to: Office for the Arts at Harvard 74 Mt. Auburn Street Cambridge, MA 02138. Please be sure to write "The Alan=A0 Symonds Fund" on the memo section of the check.=A0 Thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:43:30 -0400 Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: And on a somewhat lighter note I just received the following from ESTA. Please note that I will be emceeing the bike raffle drawing on Sunday so plan on coming over to heckle. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Help Your Colleagues in Need - Support Behind the Scenes There are two great ways to support Behind the Scenes at LDI this year. Behind the Scenes provides financial support to entertainment technology professionals who are seriously ill or injured. An initiative of The ESTA Foundation, Behind the Scenes raises money from those in the industry so together, we can take care of our own. In its first year, Behind the Scenes has already helped industry members in crisis pay for physical therapy, a motorized wheelchair, insurance, rent, utilities, and food. Win a 2007 Harley-Davidson Sportster! Be sure to stop by Booth 414 to purchase your raffle ticket to win a 2007 Harley-Davidson Sportster XL 883. Tickets are $50 each or $200 for five. Tickets will be sold throughout the show until the raffle which will be held Sunday, October 22nd at 3pm. You do not need to be present to win. Be there for VIVA LAS VEGAS! Going, going, gone! Don't miss the final chance to bid on Silent Auction Items The 2006 Live Design International Awards Reception - A Benefit for Behind the Scenes will take place on Saturday, October 21st from 6pm-9pm in Room N110 (directly across from the show floor entrance). A full cocktail reception with open bar and hors d'oeuvres sets the stage for a special evening, all to benefit a good cause. Bidding is open on the LDI show floor at Booth #871 on Friday and Saturday. Final bids will be accepted and winners announced on Saturday night. Join us for an evening of fun and surprises! 875 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1005 New York, NY 10001 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D1168.7020602 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:44:40 -0400 From: Barney Simon Subject: Emergency Lights for my new space This being a resourceful group, I thought someone might have a clever idea... My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency lighting (there is one in the office space, but that will not really be too helpful for the other offices and the warehouse). Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do emergency lighting for when the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that there might be solar units that would charge with the warehouse lights and turn on in the dark. Any thoughts? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:45:23 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061011.084529.15672.571270 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> OK, then the musicians can play a salute to commemorate the birth of = the first Cockroach 300+ million years ago. Cockroaches are survivors = who watched the Dinosaurs come and go, and the transition of the = Dinosaurs' putrefied remains into the petroleum that we use today. = They could outlive us, too; we had better feed them so SOMETHING = survives on this planet while humans destroy each other and thereby = lessen future audiences for theatrical productions worldwide . /s/ Richard ____________________________ > They also trash the pit with all their food and drink refuse... = assuming someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after = > them.... So? Just leave it there. Let them wallow in it. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c6ed4c$c442fe20$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > That didn't go over to well with the Dean of Music. Hell, he should have *been* the Dean of Music. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:01:15 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061011.090157.15672.571378 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> I imagine it wouldn't. Especially since an even 'lowlier' Studio = Musician makes so much more money than ANY of the previously = mentioned categories of musicians, at least in places like LA. Example: A payroll of over $500,000 to rerecord the 'Dallas' theme = one morning for season 3, IIRC. A nameless, faceless, player, unknown = except to a inner circle of similarly situated Studio Musicians, can = make $10,000+ per day by answering the phone and showing up to play. /s/ Richard ___________________________ The interim music director at my last school was of the opinion that = the pit orchestra be a registered ensemble just like Wind Ensemble or = Symphony Orchestra. After all, many of the grads would end up = working in one eventually, the might as well get used to it now. That didn't go over to well with the Dean of Music. Steve L. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c6ed4f$ac3ac5d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > OK, then the musicians can play a salute to commemorate the birth of=20 > the first Cockroach I thought of that. Maybe the solution is to pick up the trash, wash it, = and put it back. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:22:35 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger In-Reply-To: References: > Good Rant! ~Anyone, now - Please continue where Jon left off~ > /s/ Richard Do you know why the NYC musicians local is local # 802? Because that is when they show up for work. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:30:18 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger In-Reply-To: References:

Keith - You needed a fog catcher at the apron of your stage. Seriously. Like a rain gutter, but attached to an pipe/tube with an exhaust fan that sucks the fog out before it spills into the pit. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > for the top of Act II, , the stage was flooded ( 18" or so ) with dry > ice produced fog, > > inevitably, as the curtain rose, it spilled downstage and into the > orchestra pit. > > A few members of the orchestra (and many felt it was "beneath them" > to be doing a pit job) would literally intentionally lean forward > into the closest available mic and cough vociferously. > > My solution (expensive) was to put two additional IA "props" guys on > the call, , > > each armed with an electric box fan ( $11 at your nearest big box > store ) who literally blew away any offending puffs of fog that > wandered into the pit, , ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <8FE30E2E-FE88-48BC-ACE0-4030728A0BC4 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:34:30 -0400 or a air screen, , , , which I think the SF OPERA HOUSE has, , , On Oct 11, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Brian Munroe wrote: Keith - You needed a fog catcher at the apron of your stage. Seriously. Like a rain gutter, but attached to an pipe/tube with an exhaust fan that sucks the fog out before it spills into the pit. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:34:12 GMT Subject: Re: Tesla coils Message-Id: <20061011.093506.15672.571615 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Those of us who were around before MIG and TIG welders know where to = find 36" rods (and tanks of Oxygen and Acetylene gas, for that matter) /s/ Richard ____________________________ Hey boss, = Go back to school. Welding rods have flex on them and are only 12" = long... ----- Original Message ----- = From: --------------------------------------------------- True, and you can build it yourself with 2 welding rods and a neon = transformer. /s/ Richard _________________ ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:52:52 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061011.095343.15672.571784 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> And if you stretch a heated nichrome wire on insulators in this rain = gutter, it will often be effective in forming a barrier to the fog. Or, you can connect 10' lengths of that type of 4" PVC drain type = that comes with holes drilled in it every few inches to your shop vac. /s/ Richard ____________________________ Keith - You needed a fog catcher at the apron of your stage. Seriously. Like a rain gutter, but attached to an pipe/tube with an exhaust fan that sucks the fog out before it spills into the pit. Brian Munroe ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: Tesla coils Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c6ed56$8e30efe0$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root> In-Reply-To: Some of us even use 36" rods for GTAW (TIG). Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax -----Original Message----- Those of us who were around before MIG and TIG welders know where to find 36" rods (and tanks of Oxygen and Acetylene gas, for that matter) /s/ Richard ____________________________ Hey boss, Go back to school. Welding rods have flex on them and are only 12" long... ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- True, and you can build it yourself with 2 welding rods and a neon transformer. /s/ Richard _________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:58:10 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space In-reply-to: Message-id: <452D22A2.106 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: Barney Simon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This being a resourceful group, I thought someone might have a clever > idea... > > My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency lighting (there is > one in the office space, but that will not really be too helpful for > the other offices and the warehouse). > > Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do emergency lighting for > when the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that there might be > solar units that would charge with the warehouse lights and turn on in > the dark. > > Any thoughts? > The charging efficiency of solar cells under artificial light is very low. Would probably not give you what you want. You'd also have the cost of powering the warehouse lights 24/7 to assure that the solar units are fully charged at all times, since they'd start discharging as soon as you turned off the lights. A/C and gel-cells are the way to go - reliable and proven technology. Go to grainger.com and do a search: *You searched* > emergency light > Emergency Power Failure Lights Turns up about 50 or so emergency lights of all shapes and sizes. Plug them in, they light when power goes away. Carla ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D237C.4030408 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:01:48 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Snowballs For an upcoming production of "The Homecoming" (not the Pinter play, the one based on the same material that became "The Waltons), there's a scene where one kid pelts another with a snowball. While it would be easy enough to stage the action so the actual pelting occurs off-stage, it would be more fun if it happened on stage. I'm looking for something that: * Is heavy enough to throw but not heavy enough to damage the kid that gets hit by it * Breaks apart on impact the way a snowball would * Doesn't bounce * Leaves neither a puddle nor a mess that would get tracked all over the stage (which pretty much nixes my initial idea of figuring out some way to mold cornstarch into a ball.) * Isn't expensive. I've got a vague notion of lightly misting paper snow (which we're already going to be using for falling-snow effects) with water and having the props person pack it into a ball just before the bit, but the collective wisdom of the list always comes up with much more interesting ideas. -- Pat Kight Albany (Oregon) Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:05:06 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space References: In-Reply-To: In message , Barney Simon writes >Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do emergency lighting for when >the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that there might be solar >units that would charge with the warehouse lights and turn on in the >dark. They'd light every night when you turned the lights out. For proper compliance you have to use a proper emergency light fitting. These can be the fluorescent type or the twin-spot type that have two little halogen floodlights on top. I fear that for a proper solution you have to involve taps from permanent mains lighting feeds or a dedicated circuit. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:00:01 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Tesla coils References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bill Nelson writes >You need to go back to school yourself. There are many welding rods >that do not have any flux. The most common are those for gas welding - >and these are normally 36" long. I use them all the time. Brazing rods? That's what I used. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Emergency Lights for my new space Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" In our gymnasium, they use a single battery and charger to power 8 pairs of 12v emergency floods. (One set for each side of the gym.) This means only one battery/charger to maintain instead of 8 individual units. Not to mention that only one connection to the ac power is required. =20 Just a note, jurisdictions vary, but in ours emergency lights must have enough capacity for 90 minutes. Beware of the cheapie consumer units as they may not last long enough. We've run into this problem. Also the amount of light may vary depending on usage. A workspace might have different requirements than the audience area for a theatre. Check before you spend money. =20 Alf -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:58 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Barney Simon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- > > This being a resourceful group, I thought someone might have a clever=20 > idea... > > My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency lighting (there is=20 > one in the office space, but that will not really be too helpful for=20 > the other offices and the warehouse). > > Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do emergency lighting for=20 > when the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that there might be=20 > solar units that would charge with the warehouse lights and turn on in > the dark. > > Any thoughts? > The charging efficiency of solar cells under artificial light is very low. Would probably not give you what you want. You'd also have the cost of powering the warehouse lights 24/7 to assure that the solar units are fully charged at all times, since they'd start discharging as soon as you turned off the lights. A/C and gel-cells are the way to go - reliable and proven technology. Go to grainger.com and do a search: *You searched* > emergency light > = Emergency Power Failure Lights Turns up about 50 or so emergency lights of all shapes and sizes. Plug them in, they light when power goes away. Carla ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Snowballs Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:13:29 -0600 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4EBC [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> In-Reply-To: From: "Haagen Trey P Civ USAFA/CWTMC" Pat writes: 'For an upcoming production of "The Homecoming" (not the Pinter play, the=20 one based on the same material that became "The Waltons), there's a=20 scene where one kid pelts another with a snowball. Technical Briefs had a recipe for snowballs. If I recall correctly, it was grated ivory soap water and a blender. Blend, let dry and lightly cut the ball where you want it to break. Good for about three days. If this might work, let me know and I will try and dig it up. Trey Haagen ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011102157.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:21:57 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? >won't be perfect in that I suspect a couple of screaming skil saws >will still be noticed but maybe not enough to be a problem for most events. I agree with most of what Bill says here, (except the part about actually trying to keep a shop and a theatre in the same space and have both attempt to operate simultaneously) but 'most events' is a bit misleading. As a sound designer, I can assure you that most shop sounds that would have you reaching for earplugs will *completely* distract your audience. If it is a speech, they'll lose the words immediately following the beginning of the sound and those immediately following the cessation of the sound. If it is a bit of theatre, *everything* that you have done (lights, set, expo, sound design, etc.) to put your audience somewhere, i.e., suspension of disbelief, will come to naught. One small shop sound and they are instantly transported to now, here, and annoyed. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061011165616.57995.qmail [at] web82810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: ETC RFU In-Reply-To: I have one of these RRFU and LOVE IT! However I do wish that the range was better. I sometimes have problems turning lights on and off when I am 100' or so away from the receiver but I always get it to work. The only other thing that I would like the RRFU to have is a command line display. Ken Zinkl --- Paul Schreiner wrote: > Considering the complete lack of cell phone signal > in the one building > at stage level and the fact that the other venue is > about an > eight-minute walk across campus, I wouldn't expect > that to be a problem. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D3195.5010803 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:01:57 -0400 From: Barney Simon Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle References: In-Reply-To: So, if I need not be present to win... need I be present to buy tickets? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011103141.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:31:41 From: CB Subject: Re: Tesla coils >the EMI is not very bad with a Jacob's ladder, mostly at the restrike of the >arc just like the spark plugs in your car. And when it gets into the sound system, it tends to sound like a Jacob's ladder, and saves miking it. (DAMHIKIJK) Finding a cool fish tank and a neon txfmr and a coupla welding rods is usually pretty safe. In a jam, you could fashion your own. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061011170308.28034.qmail [at] web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space In-Reply-To: IIRC, Lowes and the like sell battery operated emergency lights that plug into an edison outlet. I can't imagine them being the best thing in the world but they do not require any special wiring. I have thought about putting one in my control room because it does not have any emergency lighting. If I put one in soon I will let you know what I think of them. Ken Zinkl --- Barney Simon wrote: > > This being a resourceful group, I thought someone > might have a clever > idea... > > My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency > lighting (there is > one in the office space, but that will not really be > too helpful for the > other offices and the warehouse). > > Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do > emergency lighting for when > the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that > there might be solar > units that would charge with the warehouse lights > and turn on in the dark. > > Any thoughts? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061011182703.95922.qmail [at] web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space In-Reply-To: Grainger (and I'm sure others) carries a retrofit battery backup for fluorescent lights. I just saw one in a flyer the other day. At Grainger, the stock number is 5ya44. Mike Heinicke --- Barney Simon wrote: > This being a resourceful group, I thought someone > might have a clever > idea... > > My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency > lighting (there is > one in the office space, but that will not really be > too helpful for the > other offices and the warehouse). > > Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do > emergency lighting for when > the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that > there might be solar > units that would charge with the warehouse lights > and turn on in the dark. > > Any thoughts? > > -- > Barney Simon > JC Hansen Co., Inc > Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors > Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing > > 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 > Jersey City NJ 07310 > 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 > JCHansen.com > 866-988-8055 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:26:42 -0400 Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No, I suppose not. You could give me the money and then I could buy the tickets for you. I would certainly make sure not to mix up your tickets and my tickets so I would know that it was your ticket that won and not mine. Honest I would. Really. On 10/11/06 2:01 PM, "Barney Simon" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So, if I need not be present to win... need I be present to buy tickets? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:42:11 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Snowballs In-Reply-To: References:

Interesting problem. Here is a very rough thought that might work: Take white sytrofoam and grate it with a rasp until you have lots of white foam beads or small pieces. Mix a thinned-down sugar glass syrup into the foam beads or pieces until they are sticky enough to hold together in a ball. Form and et dry and try them out. I have no idea if this will work, but it might be worth trying. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D3D80.9040107 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:52:48 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > Interesting problem. Here is a very rough thought that might work: > > Take white sytrofoam and grate it with a rasp until you have lots of > white foam beads or small pieces. Mix a thinned-down sugar glass > syrup into the foam beads or pieces until they are sticky enough to > hold together in a ball. Form and et dry and try them out. I have > no idea if this will work, but it might be worth trying. Man, I hate working with white styrofoam - it sticks to *everything*. I'm also afraid it might be a little rough on the kid who gets hit. But I'll tucko the idea away for experimentation. Thanks, Delbert. -- Pat Kight ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009801c6ed69$9d0d95a0$6401a8c0 [at] dondesk> From: "Don Rowe" References: Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:15:18 -0400 I worked for a company that did shows in unusual spaces (parking garage, carriage house) we used the Home Depot exit signs and exit lights. I used heavy duty orange extension cords hard wired into the lights and plugged them into my circuit panel. If the fuse blew or the power went out the lights came on. I'd say I got around 2 hours of light out of them with the last 20 or so minutes dimming slowly. When I had a electrical or fire inspection explaining that the orange extension cords were of greater gage than required by code and being orange they were set apart from other electrical runs. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > IIRC, Lowes and the like sell battery operated > emergency lights that plug into an edison outlet. I > can't imagine them being the best thing in the world > but they do not require any special wiring. I have > thought about putting one in my control room because > it does not have any emergency lighting. If I put one > in soon I will let you know what I think of them. > > Ken Zinkl > > --- Barney Simon > wrote: > > > > This being a resourceful group, I thought someone > > might have a clever > > idea... > > > > My new warehouse space does NOT have any emergency > > lighting (there is > > one in the office space, but that will not really be > > too helpful for the > > other offices and the warehouse). > > > > Is there an in-expensive and easy way to do > > emergency lighting for when > > the power goes out (or worse). I was hoping that > > there might be solar > > units that would charge with the warehouse lights > > and turn on in the dark. > > > > Any thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:25:35 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Tesla coils In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061011121725.01f13a60 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 12:56 AM 10/11/2006, Bill Nelson wrote: >There should have been at least one strong peak at the system resonant >frequency, if operated in resonant mode. On the one I built, I had a >tuneable spark gap to peak the output. Yep, this had a peak. I don't remember where it was and all the data is stored away. The spark gap was a couple of bolts, so it was adjustable in a crude way. The primary also had a movable tap on it, I didn't mess with that as long as it was working. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:31:23 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Tesla coils In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061011122543.01fd5e68 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 01:13 AM 10/11/2006, Bill Nelson wrote: >You're right, it is a small one. What were the input voltage and current? >What was the step up ratio of the coil? Input was 120V, and less than 15A. I don't know the specifics since it wasn't labled and I didn't build it. When the transformer smoked, I did open it up and found the label burned off the transformer. My client sent me a new one from the manufacturer and it was about 6KV output. The resonant capacitor was custom made (this looks like a low volume unit, all hand done). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D4CFF.9090909 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:58:55 -0700 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: Re: barbed wire References: In-Reply-To: Two suggestions for your barbed wire. 1) Hit the halloween stores. I bought some great looking"barbed wire" last year. It was made of either waxed string or tightly twisted paper and painted appropriately. I think it was about $10 for 15-20'. 2) I made some barbed wire for Nightmare on Elm Street out of some twisted pair bell wire and use rubber bands for the "barbs". The rubber bands were tied onto the bell wire the looped ends were cut and the whole thing was painted. It looked great. good luck. Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:13:38 -0400 Subject: re:LONG VGA cables. . . From: "Alan Bryson" Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the 40' range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. i don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? thanks. alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061011161107.0338aca0 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:14:31 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Snowballs In-Reply-To: References: Pat You may want to try some of the fake snow(s) that are available commercially. a quick google check turned up two which look cheap in small quantities: http://www.areyougame.com/interact/item.asp?q=Dunecraft&qmethod=0&itemno=DCSO-0065&sa=0 which says it can be molded, thus perhaps made into a snowball? and http://www.sno-wonder.com/ which doesn't say it will mold At 01:01 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >For an upcoming production of "The Homecoming" (not the Pinter play, >the one based on the same material that became "The Waltons), >there's a scene where one kid pelts another with a snowball. While >it would be easy enough to stage the action so the actual pelting >occurs off-stage, it would be more fun if it happened on stage. > >I'm looking for something that: > >* Is heavy enough to throw but not heavy enough to damage the kid >that gets hit by it >* Breaks apart on impact the way a snowball would >* Doesn't bounce >* Leaves neither a puddle nor a mess that would get tracked all over >the stage (which pretty much nixes my initial idea of figuring out >some way to mold cornstarch into a ball.) >* Isn't expensive. > >I've got a vague notion of lightly misting paper snow (which we're >already going to be using for falling-snow effects) with water and >having the props person pack it into a ball just before the bit, but >the collective wisdom of the list always comes up with much more >interesting ideas. > >-- Pat Kight >Albany (Oregon) Civic Theater >kightp [at] peak.org > ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #979 *****************************