Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36232608; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:01:41 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #980 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:00:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #980 1. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by Charlie Richmond 2. Re: Snowballs by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Clive Mitchell 4. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by Clive Mitchell 5. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Clive Mitchell 6. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by CB 8. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by "Jonathan Wills" 9. Dress Parades by CB 10. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Andrew Vance 11. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by CB 12. Re: Dress Parades by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 13. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Michael Heinicke 14. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by CB 15. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by David Duffy 16. Re: Emergency Lights by "Bill Conner" 17. Re: Alan Symonds Memorial by Herrick Goldman 18. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by CB 19. Re: Snowballs by Cosmo Catalano 20. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: Snowballs by Pat Kight 22. RRFU by "David Fox" 23. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by "Alf Sauve" 24. Re: General stage policy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 25. The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) by Rigger 26. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by Rigger 27. Re: General stage policy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 29. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 30. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Clive Mitchell 31. Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) by Bill Sapsis 32. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by Rigger 33. Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) by "RD" 34. Re: Dress Parades by "Ben Thoron" 35. Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) by Rigger 36. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: Dress Parades by "Jon Lagerquist" 38. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by Paul Sullivan 39. Responses to the Strand 430 track ball by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 40. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Occy" 41. Re: Tesla coils by "Occy" 42. Re: Tesla coils by "Occy" 43. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Occy" 44. Re: Snowballs by "Occy" 45. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by "Occy" 46. Re: Snowballs by Pat Kight 47. Re: LDI plans by Loren Schreiber 48. Re: LDI Plans by "Andy Leviss" 49. fire systems and hazers/foggers by "Kent Laue" 50. Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers by Brian James 51. Re: LDI plans by "Occy" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:23:37 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Alan Bryson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: > w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the > 40' range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage > images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. > i don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? If you use reasonably good cables 100' is no real problem. But the sharpness of the image will slightly deteriorate depending on how high the resolution and scan rate you have. I usually recommend premade cables using Space Shuttle (a brand name) shielded multicore. This is the the same kind of cable that is used by most manufacturers for captive monitor cables. Good luck... Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:26:39 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Haagen Trey P Civ USAFA/CWTMC writes >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Pat writes: >'For an upcoming production of "The Homecoming" (not the Pinter play, >the > one based on the same material that became "The Waltons), there's a >scene where one kid pelts another with a snowball. > >Technical Briefs had a recipe for snowballs. If I recall correctly, it >was grated ivory soap water and a blender. Blend, let dry and lightly >cut the >ball where you want it to break. Good for about three days. If this >might work, let me know and I will try and dig it up. > The modern polymer snow that the FX industry uses is great. It's a powder that expands dramatically when water is added to form a very realistic snow that can be clumped and thrown. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:24:13 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Heinicke writes >Grainger (and I'm sure others) carries a retrofit battery backup for >fluorescent lights. I just saw one in a flyer the other day. At >Grainger, the stock number is 5ya44. This does require that the light in question has both a permanent feed and a switched feed. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:28:36 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . References: In-Reply-To: In message , Alan Bryson writes >Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: w/o >signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the 40' >range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage images, >fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. i don't mind >a sinal amp, but you know different? Might be worth checking out the VGA to CAT-5 adapter that seems to get a decent distance over ordinary data cable (that may already be in place.) The arrangement consists of an impedance matching baluns at each end of the data cable. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:23:31 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space References: In-Reply-To: In message , Alf Sauve writes >In our gymnasium, they use a single battery and charger to power 8 >pairs of 12v emergency floods. (One set for each side of the gym.) >This means only one battery/charger to maintain instead of 8 individual >units. Not to mention that only one connection to the ac power is >required. In a professional venue a system like this must have fire-proof wiring like MICC (Mineral Insulated Copper Sheath). That way you don't lose the lights when there is a fire in the vicinity of the controller. Not sure how it is in the USA, but in the UK a duration of 3 hours is usually required. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: LONG VGA cables. . . Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A066FDF09 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: =20 > w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables=20 > in the 40' range? i have had several people say that i will=20 > get garbage images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say=20 > 100' is no prob. > i don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? I used to run older projectors all the time off of 75' VGA cables with no issues. Had no problems, either, the one time I ran it off of a pair of those cables for a 150' run. But then again, as these were older projectors, I think I was doing a max 800x600 resolution (and it may have been less), so that's not necessarily helpful depending on what you're trying to do... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011131048.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:10:48 From: CB Subject: RE: in search of dry ice fogger >Very true, but if a singer *thinks* he's having trouble with fog -- even if >it's psychosomatic (or, for that matter, psychotic)... >...It's simply not a winnable battle. Ehm, except if it's psychosomatic, you can win it with psychiatry, even amateur psychiatry. "I've found the perfect solution! There is this new company that makes a fog that is actually GOOD for singers throats! It's really expensive, but I figured that you guys are the best, and you're worth it. We're still gonna use the Hudson sprayer to mist, but reports say that if you're using this fog, it isn't even necessary. tell us how well you like it." Yeah, you know it'd work... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:44:56 -0400 From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . In-Reply-To: References: I recently finished an install at a church and ran a 150' VGA cable. The image is a little fuzzier, had to tweak it a little more, but have had no problems with. Everyone at the church seems pleased. Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting & Stage www.WillsLighting.com www.VenueCads.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011131713.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:17:13 From: CB Subject: Dress Parades >she >despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage >under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). Ehm, I can only tell you what I think from a sound designer's perspective. If I were to wait until two days before opening to have the director listen to sound cues in the house, it would mean that I'd have, at best, two days to make any corrections that needed to be made. Or, that I could force the director to go with the sounds that I like because there isn't time to change it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:57:45 -0400 On 11 Oct, 2006, at 13:10 , CB wrote: > "I've found the perfect solution! There is this new company that > makes a > fog that is actually GOOD for singers throats! It's really > expensive, but > I figured that you guys are the best, and you're worth it. We're > still > gonna use the Hudson sprayer to mist, but reports say that if > you're using > this fog, it isn't even necessary. tell us how well you like it." > Yeah, you know it'd work... Not with any opera singers I've ever worked with -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011133139.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:31:39 From: CB Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger >They also trash the pit with all their food and drink refuse... assuming >someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after them.... Someone obviously does, so their assumption is correct. Now, if the pit were to remain a mess when they returned... OTOH, couldn't you ask the holier than thou martyr why the kids get to break the rules and act inconsiderately because they are musicians? In the presence of the actors, techs, and the musicians themselves? I'd love to hear the response. Oh, and then ask him why he and his musical students have rebuked all efforts to include them in the collaberative art that they are all enduring together. Sometimes making them explain themselves, out loud, in public, is the only way to get some self-examination started. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:09:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Dress Parades From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: That pretty much sums up the attitude of the costume folks here. If the Director cant come down to the shop and look at things in progress they don't get to see it till first dress. Most Directors get down to look at things long before tech week. Merel Ray-Pfeifer TD Cent. Mich. Univ. Mt Pleasant, MI On 10/11/06 1:17 PM, "CB" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> she >> despises dress parades and does not want to see the costumes on stage >> under stage light until dress rehearsals (two days before opening). > > Ehm, I can only tell you what I think from a sound designer's perspective. > If I were to wait until two days before opening to have the director listen > to sound cues in the house, it would mean that I'd have, at best, two days > to make any corrections that needed to be made. Or, that I could force the > director to go with the sounds that I like because there isn't time to > change it. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061011211050.81621.qmail [at] web82209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space In-Reply-To: Or just be hardwired with no switch so that it is always on. Our building has lights like this in all the hallways with the difference being that they are connected to a backup generator and an automatic switch instead of a battery. Mike Heinicke --- Clive Mitchell wrote: > This does require that the light in question has > both a permanent feed > and a switched feed. > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011134232.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:42:32 From: CB Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger >A nameless, faceless, player, unknown >except to a inner circle of similarly situated Studio Musicians Those cats know their chops; play on demand; play what, and how you want them to; don't bitch; get along with others; are flexible with scheduling and content; will wear what's necessary and not complain about it more than one (usually really good) joke; and return from dinner/break when asked and are usually sober. The drummer that was in charge of the last group we used for a live corporate gig would wear the com headset throughout the gig, and even when we suggested that he could just nod his affirmation if he understood and could comply with our latest OBTW, he'd trigger the mic and have a little chat with us *while keeping time and leading the other band members into the change!* Anyone that argues over the price of studio rats hasn't eaten at Tavern on the Green, either. They're usually wrth every dime, as studio time starts at a nickle a second. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D5E90.3040608 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:13:52 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > In message , Alan Bryson > writes >> Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: >> w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the >> 40' range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage >> images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. i >> don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? > > Might be worth checking out the VGA to CAT-5 adapter that seems to get > a decent distance over ordinary data cable (that may already be in > place.) > > The arrangement consists of an impedance matching baluns at each end > of the data cable. > The passive baluns are ok for some applications but the active ones are way better. Smart View make some really neat ones. (VGA-E) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <020401c6ed7a$f41e5760$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Emergency Lights Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:19:35 -0500 Look at Bodine.com for some options for ballasts that include the battery. Replacing a few ballasts seems like the simplest of work. This of course assumes you have some lighting in the warehouse already. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:06:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Alan Symonds Memorial From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31598130.1160581752556.JavaMail.root [at] m41> I was going to attend this. But I just got booked. Sadly. I plan on contributing and I'm thrilled they are instituting a scholarship fund. _H > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061011135324.00c498a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:53:24 From: CB Subject: re:LONG VGA cables. . . Forty feet really isn't that long for VGA. I had forty foot (and greater) VGA runs pretty much every day (except travel days) for the last month, and they all worked fine. Shoot, we've run over two hundred without spectacular loss. You'll have some loss, but nothing that can't be made up by the usual front panel adjustments. If you are really worried, rent a VGA DA with a line amp built in. Run a three or a six footer into the amp and your forty foot out to whatever gear you need to feed. Shoot, stick a forty footer on the output of the computer that you're sitting at right now reading this on, and then hook it up to your monitor (turning off both the monitor and the computer while you do this, of course) and see the difference. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:29:13 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Snowballs In-reply-to: Cc: kightp [at] peak.org Message-id: <31616FD3-0775-43A9-9D49-28665651A424 [at] williams.edu> References: From Yale Tech Briefs #1103, January 1976--by Hunter Spence, YSD Prop Master Coarsely grate a personal sized bar of Ivory Soap. Place 1cup cold water in blender, add soap. Immediately liquify for 2 to 4 seconds or until foamy. Avoid blending too long, mixture must retain some texture. Pour blended soap mixture into a bowl and beat with electric mixer on high speed until the mixture peaks (like meringue). Dish the whipped soap onto waxed paper using an ice cream scoop, one batch will yield 5-6 snowballs. Let dry overnight, turn them and let dry overnight again. Dry snowballs can be scored lightly to facilitate breaking. Finished snowballs are good for 4-5 days, after that they become too dry and will not break properly. I've seen these on stage, and they do pretty well. Sweep up pieces before mopping the floor to avoid slipperyness. Cosmo On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Stagecraft wrote: > Message-ID: <452D237C.4030408 [at] peak.org> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:01:48 -0700 > From: Pat Kight > Subject: Snowballs > > For an upcoming production of "The Homecoming" (not the Pinter > play, the > one based on the same material that became "The Waltons), there's a > scene where one kid pelts another with a snowball. While it would be > easy enough to stage the action so the actual pelting occurs off- > stage, > it would be more fun if it happened on stage. > > I'm looking for something that: > > * Is heavy enough to throw but not heavy enough to damage the kid that > gets hit by it > * Breaks apart on impact the way a snowball would > * Doesn't bounce > * Leaves neither a puddle nor a mess that would get tracked all > over the > stage (which pretty much nixes my initial idea of figuring out some > way > to mold cornstarch into a ball.) > * Isn't expensive. > > I've got a vague notion of lightly misting paper snow (which we're > already going to be using for falling-snow effects) with water and > having the props person pack it into a ball just before the bit, > but the > collective wisdom of the list always comes up with much more > interesting > ideas. > > -- Pat Kight > Albany (Oregon) Civic Theater > kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <4f6.6777d08.325ec2b7 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:57:11 EDT Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield In a message dated 02/10/06 03:06:06 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > You have to be careful with dichroics. They reflect the heat, rather than > absorbing it. Filters don't really do this, at leat, not without burning up. The only place to dispose of the I-R is to the surroundings, one way or another. Yes, I-R filters, of whatever sort, will discourage its passage, with more or less effeciency. They will keep it from where you don't want it. But it still has to go somewhere. They are efficient enough that they can cause reflector > damage due to the added heat load - if the intruments were not designed to > handle it. I'm sure that this is true. Block one path, and it will find another. Reflector damage, wiring damage, shortened lamp life are all possibilities. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452D6A30.1070406 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:03:28 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > The modern polymer snow that the FX industry uses is great. It's a > powder that expands dramatically when water is added to form a very > realistic snow that can be clumped and thrown. Thanks, all; both this and the Ivory soap DIY version sound promising; Ford Sellers' pointer to a cheap source for small quantities of the polymer snow means I can try them both out and see which works best for my purposes. And I even remembered to ask while I still have plenty of time to experiment. (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Subject: RRFU Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Fox" Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can any of the ETC reps out there answer a quick question for me? > > We're planning on buying a RRFU unit to go with our Express > consoles...but we can't find anywhere listed an option for purchasing a > separate receiver so that we don't have to unplug the box from one board > and truck it across campus to venue number two. I see where one > receiver can "support multiple units", and where it's possible to have > mulitple systems functioning in the same area, but nothing about this > particular option. Will it work? Paul; The Radio Remote Focus Unit also affectionately known as the RRFU consists of two pieces, the unit and the receiver. Truth be told, this unit is manufactured for us by another company. As a result they are generally sold in pairs (a remote and a receiver). That being said we should be able to find a way to get you just one or the other if needed. You could easily use 1 remote with multiple receivers. I would take care however that your two consoles are out of range from each other or some shall we say comical results could be produced.=20 If your dealer has any questions as to how to get just a receiver unit, please have them contact me directly and I will find a way to work it out. Have a great evening David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <010b01c6ed83$45edaa20$0300a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References: Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:11:01 -0400 Did a 100' run on the CNN Set of TalkBackLive. Bought premium BlackBox VGA cable with a line extender. Work too good, we had to ditch the line extender...it overdrove the signal. At current job I have used off the shelf 50' run coupled to a 25' run from laptop to VGA projector no problem. WARNING: Some cables are better than others. For my current big project. I used Extron VGA/TP adapters and ran Cat5 cable. (~250') Works great and much cheaper cable. (Of course the adapters are expensive.) An added plus is the Extron TP-->VGA box has a buffered TP output so you can daisy chain multiple projectors off of one cable. I elected to do separate runs both for redundancy as well as to avoid delay issues. I am daisy chaining off of one to provide a backstage monitor. BTB, I'm using projectors with web servers built in. From the presentation PC (or from my desk for that matter) I have full control of the projectors using a browser. Cool. I want all my equipment web enabled. The father of Internet Protocol, Vince Cerf, used to say, "IP on everything." Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bryson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: > w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the > 40' range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage > images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. > i don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? > > thanks. > > alan bryson > Technical Director > Furman University Theatre Arts Department > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <279.13b79539.325ec9a1 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:26:41 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy In a message dated 06/10/06 19:09:57 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > You could have a general policy that covers most of these situations. We > have one at fencing practice that covers all the idiotic things that people > tend to do when they first get a real live sword in thier hands and the > wisps of 'armour' that we wear starts to give them a sense of invincibility; > "Don't be stupid". > Covers almost everything. But not all of the possibilities, unfortunately. Fencing, as I was taught, is carried out under strict rules, and my own masters were very hot on these. But, give someone a foil, and he thinks he's Errol Flynn. Thankfully, It;s hard to do any harm with a foil, if everybody is properly dressed. Epee and sabre are different, but by the time you have moved on to these, you will have acquired discipline. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:28:49 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) At 11:23 AM -0400 10/11/06, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> They also trash the pit with all their food and drink >> refuse... assuming >> someone (their mothers?) will be coming in to clean up after >> them.... > > So? Just leave it there. Let them wallow in it. "If you set foot in that pit and pick up a single coffee cup, I will fire you! Musicians are *filthy* animals; that's why they live in a pit! We do not mix with them; they are like chickens and we are like bowling balls!" -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:30:56 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle At 11:43 AM -0400 10/11/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: >Win a 2007 Harley-Davidson Sportster! Geez, Bill... I thought you said they were raffling off a motorcycle. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:31:29 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy In a message dated 06/10/06 20:53:54 GMT Daylight Time, jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu writes: > While I'm not at a high school, I am the maker/keeper of the rules here. The > biggest challenge is that common sense is not so common. No bare feet and no > food or drink (except water in a bottle) tend to be my biggest problems when > it comes to actors. I have an elevated fly rail, so that's not much of a > problem. Bare feet are a problem. Some directors' concepts, and many dance shows require this. The only answer is scrupulous preparation of the stage. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:34:13 GMT Subject: Re: Rosco 1991 Heat Shield Message-Id: <20061011.153448.18186.641589 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> And if the heat is not being absorbed, it adds to the HVAC load on = the building. In Physics I was taught that "Energy is neither created = or destroyed", just moved around or transformed into a different form. /s/ Richard __________________________________ They are efficient enough that they can cause reflector > damage due to the added heat load - if the intruments were not = designed to handle it. I'm sure that this is true. Block one path, and it will find another. = Reflector damage, wiring damage, shortened lamp life are all = possibilities. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:55 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061011.154814.18186.641658 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> RIGHT ON! Additionally, they are expected to be able to play any = piece composed from caveman days to 5 minutes ago on every instrument = now existing or to be developed in their orchestra section. /s/ Richard ______________________________ >A nameless, faceless, player, unknown = >except to a inner circle of similarly situated Studio Musicians Those cats know their chops; play on demand; play what, and how you = want them to; don't bitch; get along with others; are flexible with = scheduling and content; will wear what's necessary and not complain = about it more than one (usually really good) joke; and return from = dinner/break when asked and are usually sober. The drummer that was = in charge of the last group we used for a live corporate gig would = wear the com headset throughout the gig, and even when we suggested = that he could just nod his affirmation ifhe understood and could = comply with our latest OBTW, he'd trigger the mic and have a little = chat with us *while keeping time and leading the other band members = into the change!* Anyone that argues over the price of studio rats = hasn't eaten at Tavern on the Green, either. They're usually wrth = every dime, as studio time starts at a nickle a second. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:48:33 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Ehm, except if it's psychosomatic, you can win it with psychiatry, even >amateur psychiatry. "I've found the perfect solution! There is this >new company that makes a fog that is actually GOOD for singers throats! >It's really expensive, but I figured that you guys are the best, and >you're worth it. We're still gonna use the Hudson sprayer to mist, but >reports say that if you're using this fog, it isn't even necessary. >tell us how well you like it." >Yeah, you know it'd work... I can imagine the testimonials. "Oh yeah, Opera Fog. I love it. My voice takes on a whole new quality when it's in the air, with sweet harmonics and much greater reach than normal. Best thing is, after a long show it feels like I've not been singing at all." - Rupert LeVois. "I love that Opera Fog stuff. I can just sit in the bar and shatter glasses all evening with the enhanced treble qualities. Whenever I see the man using the fogger I shout "Hey Mister! Keep that button pressed!" There's nothing better than a total Hi-Fidelity fog-out." - Madam Zaza. "Sometimes when I'm a bit drunk I lie down in front of the fogger and get the crew to shoot Opera Fog in my face. Voila! No more headache or croaky mid-range." - Petulia Lovebosoms. "We've been very pleased with the performance enhancements experienced through using Opera Fog. Even the dancers have been singing which is a bit disappointing, but the unions on it." - William De Felch - Singing coach. "One time they tried to use cheap fluid and told us it was Opera Fog. Of course as soon as we opened our mouths we realised it wasn't. It gave me the shits for weeks." - Roberta La Femme. "Don't tell anyone this, but I often add a dash of Opera Fog fluid to my vodka. It makes my head go whoosh! And I feel like God all evening." - Sir Henry Fauxpeer. "Opera Fog? Don't you guys realise it's just ordinary fog fluid with cocaine dissolved in it?" - Billy Smith - Stagehand. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:09:26 -0400 Subject: Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 10/11/06 6:28 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > > "If you set foot in that pit and pick up a single coffee cup, I will > fire you! Musicians are *filthy* animals; that's why they live in a > pit! We do not mix with them; they are like chickens and we are like > bowling balls!" > > > -- > Dave Vick > 20/20 Design > rigger [at] tds.net Bowling Balls???? ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:12:42 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger At 11:48 PM +0100 10/11/06, Clive Mitchell wrote: > "Sometimes when I'm a bit drunk I lie down in front of the fogger > and get the crew to shoot Opera Fog in my face. Voila! No more > headache or croaky mid-range." - Petulia Lovebosoms. Clivey, you owe me a new MacBook Pro keyboard, unless someone knows how to get soy-wasabi out of this-here one. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net The reason they call it "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe in it. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:17:12 -0600 Message-ID: <023101c6ed8b$62211490$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: The holes in the balls for the fingers .....ouch. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:09 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 10/11/06 6:28 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > > "If you set foot in that pit and pick up a single coffee cup, I will > fire you! Musicians are *filthy* animals; that's why they live in a > pit! We do not mix with them; they are like chickens and we are like > bowling balls!" > > > -- > Dave Vick > 20/20 Design > rigger [at] tds.net Bowling Balls???? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Dress Parades Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:19:00 -0700 Message-ID: <88919A5358656649A9F6B8E5E8F7366101855F34 [at] globe-exchange.theglobetheatres.org> From: "Ben Thoron" In my experience, 1989- 2006, I have seen a dress parade once (for Gillian Lynne on a failed project called "what the World needs Now" It clearly didn't. The Costume shop manager describes it like having her eyes put out with a hot poker. We add costumes at the first Dress. At the Old Globe, that has usually meant the evening of the 2nd day of Tech (Wednesday evening, and our first Preview is Saturday night). Recently we have started adding clothes at the first tech (Tuesday, for those of you keeping track). =20 The downside of adding clothes early is that we loose a 1/2 hour each rehearsal session for the actors to get dressed. It amounts to 1-1/2 hours less tech with actors onstage. Ben Thoron | technical director | the old globe | 619-235-2260 | 619-231-1037-fax | bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org=20 ******* ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:25:33 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: The Pit (was: dry ice fogger) At 7:09 PM -0400 10/11/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: >> >> "If you set foot in that pit and pick up a single coffee cup, I will >> fire you! Musicians are *filthy* animals; that's why they live in a >> pit! We do not mix with them; they are like chickens and we are like >> bowling balls!" >> > > Bowling Balls???? I guess you'd have to have been there. Vintage Bernstein, that. (otoh, chickens don't mix with bowling balls as a matter of course, do they?) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Ah, the good old days... Lights, camera, ass." --Herbie Saint ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1182.205.215.254.151.1160614550.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger From: "Bill Nelson" > Do you know why the NYC musicians local is local # 802? > > Because that is when they show up for work. For a 7 pm gig, right? Bill ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:18:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Dress Parades Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <452D3570.17134.33EF21B [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: Like Ben at the Globe here at South Coast Repertory we add costumes a little into tech, generally Wednesday of a Tuesday through Friday tech (Friday Audience) and sometimes later in the Sunday audience schedule. Most of the time there are things to work on while actors are dressing like running shifts and setting cues, so the time is not a loss. But to the main subject, costume parades do not happen here. I remember discussion of one in 22 years. > The downside of adding clothes early is that we loose a 1/2 hour each > rehearsal session for the actors to get dressed. It amounts to 1-1/2 hours > less tech with actors onstage Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061012015117.25381.qmail [at] web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Sullivan Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables. . . In-Reply-To: Get a good cable and you can run over a hundred feet with virtually no loss. I ran a primary cable from a laptop 150' to a distribution amp and them 2-50' to comfort monitors and 2-75' to projectors last week with no problem. Good cables with a choke on both ends. Remember VGA cables don't like to be stepped on or rolled over... PS I bought the 50' cables from a computer cable supplier for under $75.00. If you want the supplier, email me off list tomorrow when I'm in my office. Pax Paul H. Sullivan Assistant Director UNF Fine Arts Center ------------------------------ Subject: Responses to the Strand 430 track ball Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299AC3 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" Thanks to those that responded. I've forwarded them to my Strand = Service tech. I know that he had the track ball unit out of the board. = I'm going to trust that he cleaned any har/gunk/dirt off the rollers. The outboard mouse controller may be the way to go as a solution. We'll = see what comes up. I like the rubber band replacing the gasket = solution. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:07:29 -0700 Should have asked the horn player what he was blowing threw that horn? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" --------------------------------------------------- > > > > My Favorite was the horn players that said that any exposure to CO2 > > would damage their horn. > > Next time, suggest that they purchase better instruments -- perhaps > something made of brass. > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Tesla coils Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:18:50 -0700 Those where if you bought them from the welding shop were only copper clad clothes hangers. By the way I do have an oxy-acetylene kit full size in my garage. Yes I do those filler rods made the best fastest hooks to hang things on for painting. I had to use my kit it a few weeks ago when I got mad at new propane easy light torch when it wouldn't melt the solder to change a 40 year old hose bib that they quit making parts for. ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- Those of us who were around before MIG and TIG welders know where to find 36" rods (and tanks of Oxygen and Acetylene gas, for that matter) /s/ Richard ____________________________ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Tesla coils Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:21:47 -0700 Come on Bill they great hooks for painting. I don't often see much arc's traveling around with gas welding.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nelson" > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Hey boss, > > Go back to school. Welding rods have flex on them and are only 12" > > long... > > You need to go back to school yourself. There are many welding rods that > do not have any flux. The most common are those for gas welding - and > these are normally 36" long. I use them all the time. > > Bull > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:24:19 -0700 You ever seen one? I never have nor do I think it would work that well with 18" bank of fog starting 6 feet away from it. ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- And if you stretch a heated nichrome wire on insulators in this rain gutter, it will often be effective in forming a barrier to the fog. Or, you can connect 10' lengths of that type of 4" PVC drain type that comes with holes drilled in it every few inches to your shop vac. /s/ Richard ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Snowballs Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:27:46 -0700 So boil some sugar water and make popcorn ball out of bean bag stuffing? Come on Pat test it, I and others want to know if it works. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Kight" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Delbert Hall wrote: > > > > Interesting problem. Here is a very rough thought that might work: > > > > Take white sytrofoam and grate it with a rasp until you have lots of > > white foam beads or small pieces. Mix a thinned-down sugar glass > > syrup into the foam beads or pieces until they are sticky enough to > > hold together in a ball. Form and et dry and try them out. I have > > no idea if this will work, but it might be worth trying. > > Man, I hate working with white styrofoam - it sticks to *everything*. > I'm also afraid it might be a little rough on the kid who gets hit. But > I'll tucko the idea away for experimentation. Thanks, Delbert. > > -- > Pat Kight > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:32:01 -0700 Now that's away to get LDI's Attendants higher, keep raffles up like this LDI is going to be the size of CES. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rigger" > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:43 AM -0400 10/11/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > >Win a 2007 Harley-Davidson Sportster! > > > Geez, Bill... I thought you said they were raffling off a motorcycle. > > -- > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net > 20/20 Design ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452DD53A.1010108 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:40:10 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: Occy wrote: > So boil some sugar water and make popcorn ball out of bean bag stuffing? > Come on Pat test it, I and others want to know if it works. You first. (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061011222600.037a9c30 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:39:36 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: LDI plans In-Reply-To: References: Greetings All, It looks like I will be riding my putt-putt up to Vegas from San Diego on Friday for LDI. I'd appreciate anyone with a booth allowing me to stash my brain bucket and jacket so I don't have to carry them around the exhibition floor. So . . . I have only been to one LDI before (Vegas 2004). What is on the DO NOT MISS list? (I mean like the Rosco-new-products-free-food-and-booze session at USITT.) I've got the expo floor ticket only. Seems to me I met a lot of y'all from this list at the TMB soiree last time. That's where I met Herrick--he stuck a beer in my hand before he said "Hello". Now there's a gentleman! Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2007 Charity Ride. Check out http://www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2535.24.193.184.63.1160632134.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: LDI Plans From: "Andy Leviss" I'll be at the Syn-Aud-Con sessions 9-5:30 Mon-Thurs, otherwise pretty free schedule. Looking forward to meeting many of you for the first time, and at least here if Herrick talks me into staying out too late at the bar, I don't have to be at the shop early the next morning! And I promise, no umbrellas this time! Also, I'll surely have lots of OFTR decals and a couple other toys like the Control Freak pocket motor pickle on me to show off, so be sure to say hi. E-mail me offlist if you'll be there for the cell number, if we haven't swapped already. --Andy http://OneFromTheRoad.com Tools, Toys, and Tales for Theatrical Technicians ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9e6bc3f30610112256l6f1ee188se480f0e1d45cc7c5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:56:52 -0500 From: "Kent Laue" Reply-To: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: fire systems and hazers/foggers Thought I might pose this question to the list before I go setting off alarms, I am borrowing a hazer from one of the other local theaters for one of our productions. The TD there says that I need to shut off our fire suppression system when running the hazer to avoid setting off alarms(evidently he has done it). We actually own a fogger and I can easily flood the stage/house without having the fire alarms go off. Does anyone have any reccommendations or experience in this area? ~Kent ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452DDF03.40107 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:21:55 -0400 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers References: In-Reply-To: In my experience, it depends on a few factors. The first being the type of sensor and how it determine if there is a problem. One of my venues has particulate sensors in it. Inside the sensors there is apparently a little beam of light and an optical eye, and if the optical eye picks up too much of a weakening in expected strength, the alarm goes off. In another venue we have heat sensors, so the stuff in the air does affect the sensor. With the first sensors, density of effect seems to have a huge effect on them. The other thing that seems to make a difference is how recently the sensors have been cleaned. I would suggest you speak with your alarm company about when you have an expected issues. You may also want to check with a local fire official about what requirements they have to disable any portion of the alarm system. If it is a modern alarm, you should be able to turn off the sensors, but keep the suppression system on. Either way, this would be a good question for the AHJ to make sure you comply with the laws. In Virginia, where I am, there are some very specific requirements for us to have in place when we disable the sensors. This includes having appropriately trained people at the alarm panel to react in case on emergency is reported as well as additional people in the venue with specific training to be a fire watch. Just my thoughts, other may think differently. Kent Laue wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Thought I might pose this question to the list before I go setting off > alarms, > I am borrowing a hazer from one of the other local theaters for > one of our productions. The TD there says that I need to shut off our > fire suppression system when running the hazer to avoid setting off > alarms(evidently he has done it). We actually own a fogger and I can > easily flood the stage/house without having the fire alarms go off. > Does anyone have any reccommendations or experience in this area? > ~Kent > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: LDI plans Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:41:59 -0700 Here are my suggestions as it doesn't sound like your staying there over night if so are check in and if too early check your stuff with the bell desk and get a monorail ticket; the monorail normally runs until 2AM ( that is my trick for CES as any hotel close to LVCC wants $25 day during CES for parking), other wise park at the Las Vegas Hilton (right next to the LVCC) and do the same thing check items not wanted to be carried at the bell desk, remembering that the bell desk is open 24/7 at the Hilton and other major strip hotels. So that way in case you get tied up with something, all your buds at their booths can go and do their thing too. Disclaimer: I do not own any stock, property in any corporation or company doing business in Nevada, nor do I work in Nevada for any company at this time. But I am actively looking and seeking employment in Nevada, and I was reared there and went to high school and university there. ----- Original Message ----- > --------------------------------------------------- > Greetings All, > > It looks like I will be riding my putt-putt up to Vegas from San > Diego on Friday for LDI. I'd appreciate anyone with a booth allowing > me to stash my brain bucket and jacket so I don't have to carry them ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #980 *****************************