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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36288420; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:01:03 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #981 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:00:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #981 1. Re: LDI plans by Bill Sapsis 2. Re: Tesla coils by "Bill Nelson" 3. Re: Tesla coils by Dorian Kelly 4. anyone out there ? by KEITH ARSENAULT 5. Re: LONG VGA cables by "Duane" 6. Re: LDI Bike Raffle by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 7. Welders Redux by Rigger 8. Sugar glass by "Delbert Hall" 9. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 10. Re: RRFU by "Bill Conner" 11. Re: RRFU by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 12. label legend manager by "C. Dopher" 13. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Philip Johnson 14. Re: Welders Redux by MissWisc [at] aol.com 15. Re: RRFU by "Jonathan Zitelman" 16. More barbed wire ideas by "Dougherty, Jim" 17. fire systems and hazers/foggers by b Ricie 18. Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers by "LES LIND" 19. Fireplace effect ideas? by "Dre Suchoski" 20. Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers by "Michael Beyer" 21. Re: LONG VGA cables. . . by Brian Aldous 22. KA by "Joe Saint" 23. Re: Tesla coils by Bruce Purdy 24. Re: KA by Philip Johnson 25. Re: VGA Advice by "Alan Bryson" 26. Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers by Bruce Purdy 27. Re: LDI plans by "Dyan OConnell" 28. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Bruce Purdy 29. Re: ETC RFU by Bruce Purdy 30. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by Bruce Purdy 31. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by Pat Kight 32. Re: General stage policy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: General stage policy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: KA by "Delbert Hall" 35. Re: "Photo" flash by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by "Mike Katz" 37. Re: Barb Wire by "Paul Guncheon" 38. Re: Barb Wire by "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" 39. Re: Jacobs ladder by "Paul Guncheon" 40. Re: Welders Redux by "Eric Rouse" 41. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by Bruce Purdy 42. Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 43. Re: Jacobs ladder by Bruce Purdy 44. Re: Jacobs ladder by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 45. Re: Snowballs by "Paul Guncheon" 46. Re: Snowballs by Pat Kight 47. Re: General stage policy by CB 48. Re: Snowballs by "Kurt Cypher" 49. Re: Snowballs by Pat Kight 50. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Brian Munroe" 51. ETCNet2 compatability with LAN by "Jonathan Zitelman" 52. Re: General stage policy by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 53. Re: Snowballs by Bruce Purdy 54. Re: Snowballs by Clive Mitchell 55. LA to LDI to LA=Trouble? by "Reed Brian" 56. Re: Snowballs by Bruce Purdy 57. Re: LA to LDI to LA=Trouble? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 58. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "Occy" 59. Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers by "Carolyn Tsutsui" 60. Re: Welders Redux by Stuart Wheaton 61. Re: Welders Redux by Shawn Palmer 62. Re: Emergency Lights for my new space by Michael Heinicke 63. Re: Welders Redux by Rigger 64. MiniMag Tailcap Switch by "Andy Leviss" 65. Re: in search of dry ice fogger by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 66. Re: MiniMag Tailcap Switch by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:10:23 -0400 Subject: Re: LDI plans From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Loren. I can find you a spot for your gear. Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/12/06 1:39 AM, "Loren Schreiber" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings All, > > It looks like I will be riding my putt-putt up to Vegas from San > Diego on Friday for LDI. I'd appreciate anyone with a booth allowing > me to stash my brain bucket and jacket so I don't have to carry them > around the exhibition floor. > > So . . . I have only been to one LDI before (Vegas 2004). What is on > the DO NOT MISS list? (I mean like the > Rosco-new-products-free-food-and-booze session at USITT.) I've got > the expo floor ticket only. Seems to me I met a lot of y'all from > this list at the TMB soiree last time. That's where I met Herrick--he > stuck a beer in my hand before he said "Hello". Now there's a gentleman! > > > Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director > School of Theatre, Television and Film > San Diego State University > > Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2007 Charity Ride. > Check out http://www.lrlr.org for more information, and then join us! > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2406.205.215.255.244.1160648762.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tesla coils From: "Bill Nelson" > Those where if you bought them from the welding shop were only copper clad > clothes hangers. By the way I do have an oxy-acetylene kit full size in my > garage. I have found plain steel, copper clad steel, bronze and aluminum welding rods at the welding supplier. None of these had a flux coating. There are probably other types as well. Some are for brazing, others are for welding. I have used all the above, at one time or another, as the electrodes for Jacob's ladders. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:22:38 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Tesla coils For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: anyone out there ? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:25:21 -0400 I will be touring in November to U of Missouri (Jesse Auditorium), Southern Illinois University (Shryock) and Illinois State (Braden), anyone on the list at any of those venues ? Keith L Arsenault Tampa, Florida 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013e01c6edf1$829d83a0$0201a8c0 [at] kc.rr.com> From: "Duane" References: Subject: Re: LONG VGA cables Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:28:15 -0500 We use a 100 foot plus a 25 foot cable from SM booth to over the house front overhead projector. We do not have any noticable image deterioration with a final image width of 18 feet. Duane ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:37:24 GMT Subject: Re: LDI Bike Raffle Message-Id: <20061012.043726.18186.643532 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Yea, a crowd of 150k+ attendees would be fun. NOT. I do CES each year. /s/ Richard Now that's away to get LDI's Attendants higher, keep raffles up like = this LDI is going to be the size of CES. ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:49:18 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Welders Redux We covered this years ago, but my memory is weak... 115v wire-feed/MIG welder, around-$500 category, gettable at Lowe's/Menard's/Home Despot... Do we like Lincoln or Miller or Hobart or all of the above or none of the above? Gotta get one for work. Deciding between a Lincoln WeldPak 3200HD and a Hobart Handler 140. If I had four times the budget, I'd be looking at a Miller Passport, too. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:56:44 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Sugar glass I have collected several recipes for making sugar glass.Here is the URL for one recipe for sugar glass. http://www.gunfighter.com/cgi-bin/bbs/perform-a/perform-a.cgi?read=1159 ----------------------------------------- Below is another recipe that someone sent me. I have had great success with candy glass. The following recipe came from Moir's Chocolate Factory: (I usually go by weight but volume will be close) 70/30 sugar/corn syrup 20% water dissolve at 225degF/107degC boil to 280degF/138degC Brown corn syrup will give an OK brown glass colour...clear syrup with food colour for anything else. Remove from the heat and let stand until it just begins to solidify then pour into your mold (see below), cork and rotate all around to keep the surface evenly coated (wear gloves!). The solution will begin to harden on the walls of the mold and when you have sufficient build up (experiment is required!) pour off excess liquid and keep turning until cool enough not to slump (I have someone spray water or just pass it under running water a few times. Remove from mold. We have made glasses by this method that actors actually drank out of before breaking. ------------------------------ I have a third recipe that I have used several times, but I could not find it this morning. I make it in a double boiler to keep it keep the heat even. Use a candy thermometer and don't over-heat it or it will burn and turn brown. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:03:28 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061012.050349.18186.643622 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Think of a deluge curtain in reverse. The COLD fog seeks to go down. A wall of HEAT is rising. Physics should do the trick. When I worked = on the 'Donny and Marie Show', a nichrome barrier kept the fog off = the lens of the ancient Norelco PCP-90 camera that I was using to = shoot the 'Ice Angels' perform their ice skating routine around me. = [I sat on a piece of cardboard on the ice, which froze my derriere.] = Its all in a days work when your bosses are Sid, Marty, & Harry Kroft. /s/ Richard __________________________________ You ever seen one? I never have nor do I think it would work that = well with 18" bank of fog starting 6 feet away from it. From: And if you stretch a heated nichrome wire on insulators in this rain gutter, it will often be effective in forming a barrier to the fog. Or, you can connect 10' lengths of that type of 4" PVC drain type that comes with holes drilled in it every few inches to your shop vac. /s/ Richard = ------------------------------ Message-ID: <032601c6edf7$2d7f2490$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: RRFU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:08:49 -0500 "I would take care however that your two consoles are out of range from each other or some shall we say comical results could be produced." Can't the RRFU input be turned off in the console setup? This suggests I could carry the appropriate rrfu into someone's theatre and disrupt their production. Drama terrorism or such. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:26:30 GMT Subject: Re: RRFU Message-Id: <20061012.052722.18186.643732 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Shhhhhhh! [or] Homeland security will start by confiscating your RRFU! /s/ Richard ___________________________ Can't the RRFU input be turned off in the console setup? This = suggests I could carry the appropriate rrfu into someone's theatre = and disrupt their production. Drama terrorism or such. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T = ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4AD63636-1460-436A-81C2-A1AC7CC344F8 [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: label legend manager Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:28:38 -0400 Anybody notice any crashes while using Label Legend manager in Spotlight 12.5? I seem to experience crashes if there are no existing label legends and, after clicking Add..., instead of actually creating one, escape out of the dialogue box and then click Done. Boom, there it goes. Spotlight-only install, Mac OS 10.4.8 Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:59:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Home depot has emergency lights that plug into the wall. They have a battery in them and power cord to hook into the regular wall outlet. If you loose main power they come on. The problem with the backup kits that mount in the fluorescents is they come on when the switch is off. If you have a long weekend they are very dim when you come back. The first day back if you have a power blackout they are almost too dim to function. Isolating the emergency lighting from the regular lighting system will give you lights in the power blackout situation. Buy the kind that have the ability to aim the lights if you can. If home depot doesn't have them you can get them from a fire safety vendor. I use my lights in our back stage area when scenery back stage leaves dark spots the emergency lighting system doesn't hit. They are also good in those many storage rooms we have or have created which don't have access to emergency lighting. -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <53e.91bb459.325f9682 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:00:50 EDT Subject: Re: Welders Redux rigger [at] tds.net writes: << Do we like Lincoln or Miller or Hobart or all of the above or none of the above? >> I like Miller because it keeps the nice guys in the factory about two miles away from me working. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:06:56 -0500 From: "Jonathan Zitelman" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: RRFU In-Reply-To: References: Now that would be a new way to reek havoc!! > Can't the RRFU input be turned off in the console setup? This suggests I > could carry the appropriate rrfu into someone's theatre and disrupt their > production. Drama terrorism or such. -Jonathan Zitelman =86 Auditorium Technical Director Texas Lutheran University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:11:36 -0400 Subject: More barbed wire ideas From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: I've been on a show where someone else got to make the barbed wire, and they used rubber cord knotted around the wire to make the barbs. The fence wire mentioned earlier works well as a base. McMaster-Carr lists an 1/8" EPDM rubber cord in 100ft. rolls for about ten dollars. Labor estimates will probably be a bit more, unless your knotters are free. - Jim Dougherty ATD Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061012151341.89284.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: fire systems and hazers/foggers In-Reply-To: Depends on the Venue. Some buildings have the fire alarm system as part of the air handling system. If the air handlers pick up too much particulate matter they will trigger the alarm. Been there Done That, with both a hazer and fogger. To get around the issue we, in the past, have had to shut down our alarm system and hire a fire watch, from the FIRE DEPARTMENT. We were not allowed to appoint a person as fire watch, it had to be the FD. Volume can also be a factor. In the past we have had no problem with a hazer puffing out lil bits for some beam shaping, but no more than a lil bit. When the fog/haze gets heavy is when you might have a problem. Find out what kinda system you have, talk with the fire Marshall, and good luck. PS. I hear there is a new "Opera fog" now available that is great for the voice as well as a remedy for hangovers. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <452E2869020000290000183A [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:35:05 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers References:

In-Reply-To: Must be the sensitivity of the system. We also have the duct detectors here at the high schoo land have used fog, haze and light pyro without a problem. Les >>> b Ricie 10/12/06 11:13:41 AM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Depends on the Venue. Some buildings have the fire alarm system as part of the air handling system. If the air handlers pick up too much particulate matter they will trigger the alarm. Been there Done That, with both a hazer and fogger. To get around the issue we, in the past, have had to shut down our alarm system and hire a fire watch, from the FIRE DEPARTMENT. We were not allowed to appoint a person as fire watch, it had to be the FD. http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: Fireplace effect ideas? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:41:21 -0400 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F7526772 [at] stage.OTC.local> In-Reply-To: From: "Dre Suchoski" Hello everyone! I am looking for some information for a fake/electric fire for our production of Cinderella. The fire itself (logs and andirons) is about 4' wide by 3' tall, with the opening of the fireplace at 7' wide, 6' tall, and roughly 2' deep. We are using a string of flicker bulbs for embers/coals, and possibly a fan with silk scraps for the flames. What we are *really* still looking for is a light effect to project onto the back wall of the fireplace that looks like flames leaping up, but the opening itself is quite shallow. The set designer suggested a "rolling log" or something that would project flickering flames on the back wall. And, as the bottom line always goes, cheap or free for the effect. Forgive me, I am no electrician, so use small words (and maybe diagrams!) and any help is greatly appreciated. Dre Suchoski, Properties Artisan Olney Theatre Center 2001 Olney Sandy Spring Road Olney, MD 20832 shop: 301.924.4485 x122 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <468d22820610120849n2614eba9xa931d2bbd76c015e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:49:43 -0400 From: "Michael Beyer" Subject: Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers In-Reply-To: References:

Just had the fire department visit a few times last week. They finally let us turn the system off, but the fire marshall will not allow us to switch to heat sensors... must stay with the sensitive particulate sensors. Last year we used haze for four or five hours straight without issue. This year we would run it for five miutes and off goes the alarm, and in comes the Fire Department with a bill. Good times were had by all. Michael On 10/12/06, LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Must be the sensitivity of the system. We also have the duct detectors > here at the high schoo land have used fog, haze and light pyro without a > problem. > Les > > >>> b Ricie 10/12/06 11:13:41 AM >>> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Depends on the Venue. Some buildings have the fire > alarm system as part of the air handling system. If > the air handlers pick up too much particulate matter > they will trigger the alarm. Been there Done That, > with both a hazer and fogger. > To get around the issue we, in the past, have had to > shut down our alarm system and hire a fire watch, from > the FIRE DEPARTMENT. We were not allowed to appoint a > person as fire watch, it had to be the FD. > http://mail.yahoo.com > -- www.mjblightdesign.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <441CAE0E-0049-4B7C-AE09-B91D659AB044 [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: re:LONG VGA cables. . . Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:54:25 -0400 I assume that one gets voltage drop everywhere, but have never had a problem with 100' lengths. I have worked in several venues that avoided buying expensive RVI units for Express consoles by getting a video signal splitter & a 100' VGA cable to run to a tech table for designer monitor. Never had a problem. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com On Oct 11, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Stagecraft wrote: > Subject: re:LONG VGA cables. . . > From: "Alan Bryson" > > Never having run long vga cables myself, i post this to our wisdom: > w/o signal amp's, will i suffer any line loss with VGA cables in the > 40' range? i have had several people say that i will get garbage > images, fuzz, nothing, etc, ---and others who say 100' is no prob. > i don't mind a sinal amp, but you know different? > > thanks. > > alan bryson > Technical Director > Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" Subject: KA Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:18:28 -0400 Message-ID: <008d01c6ee1a$0d59b0e0$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> I am going to see Ka during LDI. Can anyone give input on the better seats? Is up close bad in this case? How about the balcony? TIA Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <82283853-F22D-4DBD-B592-0987BA837891 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Tesla coils Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:47:17 -0400 > I have found plain steel, copper clad steel, bronze and aluminum > welding > rods at the welding supplier. None of these had a flux coating. > There are > probably other types as well. Some are for brazing, others are for > welding. > > I have used all the above, at one time or another, as the > electrodes for > Jacob's ladders. So in your experience, have some worked better than others? Recommendations? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:54:26 -0500 Subject: Re: KA From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I was house left in the second most expensive seats. Center would probably better. If you want close proximity to cast members bungeeing overhead and to see the effects up close go close. If you want a better view of the entire spectacle then further back on the main floor. The balcony will give you a better view into the pit and machinery that controls the pivot platform, or at least what they haven't masked. I really enjoyed the show and if you are at the MGM grand then they have a great promo on the making of KA. Enjoy the show, Phil Johnson On 10/12/06 11:18 AM, "Joe Saint" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am going to see Ka during LDI. Can anyone give input on the better seats? > Is up close bad in this case? How about the balcony? > > > TIA > > > Joe Saint > President > IMCD Lighting > 646-415-7588 > www.imcdlighting.com > > > ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:56:50 -0400 Subject: re:VGA Advice From: "Alan Bryson" Thanks to all for words of wisdom--i was in a rush to post yesterday and didn't mention we're projecting on gauzey material, so sharp focus isn't a problem. i figured there wouldn't be any REAL aesthetic problem, but i needed to know before shelling out $$-- i had figured that if the long cables didn't deliver a signal, that sure was expensive tie-line! and Kent--check with your Fire Marshall before shutting down your alarm system--not just a good idea, it can save lots of arses. if you can flood your house with fog, then a hazer certainly shouldn't be a problem, but very good too do an investigation first--some air circulation systems will route the air to other spaces in the facility that may have different types of sensors--get help from your fire brigade and test the whole system. you may have to do what lots of venues do and hire fire fighters to monitor your system during all techs and performances--it may even be required under your code. Check before you--or anyone else --pays. alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <27C3B230-C3E7-4896-B45F-D36359234EF4 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: fire systems and hazers/foggers Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:02:38 -0400 > One of my venues has particulate sensors in it. Inside the sensors > there is apparently a little beam of light and an optical eye, and > if the optical eye picks up too much of a weakening in expected > strength, the alarm goes off. In another venue we have heat > sensors, so the stuff in the air does affect the sensor. We have a giant version of this in our venue. A light source (Infra red?) and a receptor at opposite corners - a couple of feet below the ceiling of the auditorium. Guaranteed to be set off by fog, and especially haze. (Also escaped helium balloons with trailing string - another story) It is routine for us to turn off this sensor when fog / haze is in use. For rock concerts that sensor always goes off, as do the smoke sensors in the dressing rooms. Despite large "No smoking" signs, the "Artists" (Who think they are above any rules) insist on lighting up down there. After having to evacuate the building during one sold out dock concert, we decided it wasn't worth the problems that presented. (1,400 half drunk rowdy kids in mid winter!) Our local volunteer fire chief actually supported this decision! Ask me why I hate rock concerts, and why they don't belong in a historic opera house! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Dyan OConnell" Subject: RE: LDI plans Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:52 -0400 So I am somewhat new to the list, but I am heading out to LDI for the first time this year. I'm a third year graduate student at Southern Methodist University. I will only be there for the weekend, and will be roaming the exhibit floor. What shouldn't I miss? What should I miss? And where are the best post-exhibit floor cocktails? -Dyan O'Connell Graduate Studies Lighting Design Meadows School of the Arts Southern Methodist University Dallas, TX dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com http://people.smu.edu/dloconne/ >From: Herrick Goldman >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: LDI plans >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:38:16 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Folks, > >Usually I'm active in planning stagecraft LDI gatherings but I've been >slammed. So here's an open invitation to come visit me. > >For those of you who exhibit, I'll be designing the Altman Booth on >Thursday >so just drop by. I'll be designing and installing the LDI/behind the scenes >awards (formerly the Eddy's) in a large conference room just off the >showroom floor. I'll be in there most of the day Saturday. I may even stick >around for the awards. > >Or you can always text my cell and we'll meet up at the TMB booth for beer. > >_H > >-- >Herrick Goldman >Lighting Designer, NYC >www.HGLightingDesign.com >917-797-3624 >"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in >light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7F085AD9-2EC3-4F68-928C-E5673C95AE80 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:05:09 -0400 > Or just be hardwired with no switch so that it is > always on. Our building has lights like this in all > the hallways with the difference being that they are > connected to a backup generator and an automatic > switch instead of a battery. So you can't turn the power off when you change a burned out tube? Or do you turn off the entire system each time? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2467F14B-D579-4E61-B1BE-8A6789502A90 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: ETC RFU Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:10:31 -0400 > I have one of these RRFU and LOVE IT! However I do > wish that the range was better. I sometimes have > problems turning lights on and off when I am 100' or > so away from the receiver but I always get it to work. > The only other thing that I would like the RRFU to > have is a command line display. I LOVE my RRFU! Being a one-man tech team it allows me control over the lights when I'm focusing in the box booms or on a ladder. I agree with the problems getting response though, even at 75' I sometimes have to try a couple of times before it responds - but it always does eventually. A display would be nice too. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1D898E7B-AA7F-41A1-A2CB-EBC786A764FB [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:20:31 -0400 >> won't be perfect in that I suspect a couple of screaming skil saws >> will still be noticed but maybe not enough to be a problem for >> most events. > > I agree with most of what Bill says here, (except the part about > actually > trying to keep a shop and a theatre in the same space and have both > attempt > to operate simultaneously) but 'most events' is a bit misleading. > As a > sound designer, I can assure you that most shop sounds that would > have you > reaching for earplugs will *completely* distract your audience. If > it is a > speech, they'll lose the words immediately following the beginning > of the > sound and those immediately following the cessation of the sound. > If it is > a bit of theatre, *everything* that you have done (lights, set, > expo, sound > design, etc.) to put your audience somewhere, i.e., suspension of > disbelief, will come to naught. One small shop sound and they are > instantly transported to now, here, and annoyed. Try being in a Theatre with a very loud klaxon horn type fire siren that calls in the volunteers when needed - right behind the building! You'd swear it was right inside the auditorium. I always pray it won't go off during a performance, but sometimes it does. I didn't mind one time though, when a Klezmer group actually improvised some music off the pulsing rhythm of the horn. The audience loved it! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452E7F02.6010605 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:44:34 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > Try being in a Theatre with a very loud klaxon horn type fire siren > that calls in the volunteers when needed - right behind the building! > You'd swear it was right inside the auditorium. I always pray it won't > go off during a performance, but sometimes it does. I didn't mind one > time though, when a Klezmer group actually improvised some music off > the pulsing rhythm of the horn. The audience loved it! Let's see: Railroad tracks, just across the parking lot north of our upstage wall. Where the freight trains slow to wait for switching into the not-too-distant rail yard, with all the screeching of brakes and crashing of boxcars that implies. (Plus a radio communication system that's why our backstage communication system these days is hard-wired; when it was wireless, when we used wireless, the SM and others regularly got blasted by intermittend *loud* chatter between the railmen and the yard). A highway bridge just east of the building, across a tiny concrete-and-brick park that acts as a sort of amplifier for the traffic sounds. It ramps up from street level, and the speed limit rises just the other side of the river, so we get the engine revving of every wannabe weekend hot-rodder who speeds up on his way out of town. Plus the sirens of the cops who catch them at it, and the emergency vehicles who respond when the idjits crash on the other side of the bridge. Even more fun when the annual classic car show hits town with its street cruise, which turns onto the one-way street out front of our theater. Fabulous old muscle cars with big engines, often enhanced. And it's a show-off cruise, so they rev and honk their horns, too, all the way down the street. Three years out of four, this happens on a performance night, no matter how many times we try to make sure that the sponsoring groups get our season schedule well ahead of time. -- Pat Kight Albany "It May Be Noisy, But It's Ours" Civic Theater kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:53:27 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy In a message dated 07/10/06 16:06:46 GMT Daylight Time, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > What I really think they're referring to is my hard-line attitude about > proper safety and training, and proper behavior and use of the facilities. > (They see it as not being a 'team player,' meaning, if someone screws me or > my department, I should just bend over and take it.) This can be difficult, especially in an amateur 'organisation'. We have a two-man team of "safety advisors", who inspect every show before it goes up. Ususlly late in the rehearsal time, as there is a better chance of the set's being complete. We can politely ask the SM not to obstruct the fire exits, and their signs, to fit handrails on stairways and elevated areas of the set where possible, and not to have trailing cables on the floor. And that is all! If our requests are ignored, we can report the matter to the theatre SD, who will, if he thinks fit, report to the Executive Committee, which will consider it at length, and take what action seems appropriate. By the time they have reached a decision, the show will be over, and the next one getting in. We have no authority to say to the SM: "There is a major safety problem here. Fix it, or the show doesn't open.". Once in a while, an SM will see a potential problem, and invite a safety advisor to the production conference. We are both excperienced riggers, electricians, carpenters, engineers and so on, and can spot problems before they arise, as a rule. But all we can actively do is to check the exit signs and the emergency lighting. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:14:24 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy In a message dated 08/10/06 18:17:23 GMT Daylight Time, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > Chris, you're right on - this is a part of the problem, rearing its ugly > head again. Not to disparage the PhDs on this list, but so often the PhDs > in the upstairs office get itchy when one of the commoners tries to organize > > a semblance of order and protocol. Ask them what they Piled higher and Deeper. This will usually give their game away. Even better is to ask what their first degree was in. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:15:17 -0400 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: KA In-Reply-To: References:

I would say the the closer to the front (and center) the better - it is a huge stage. I sat in the front center section (great seats) when I saw it, and LOVED it. It was without a doubt the most amazing spectical that I have seen on a stage (although far from the best story). -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <587.6a12a0c.325fe136 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:19:34 EDT Subject: Re: "Photo" flash In a message dated 08/10/06 20:03:03 GMT Daylight Time, brian [at] tany.com writes: > Anyone got any suggestions that won't eat my entire 5 & dime budget > on the new Gurney play I'm showcasing next week? A hard switched photoflood will usually work. Our last lighthing refit included six thyristor switched circuits, for this very purpose, and six relay switched circuits, for small motors and so on. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180610121120j37073f1elc7e7a4ec73d7b082 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:20:56 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? In-Reply-To: References:

Bruce, Was it the klezmatics who did the improvisation? It would be par for the course with them. Mike On 10/12/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: I didn't > mind one time though, when a Klezmer group actually improvised some > music off the pulsing rhythm of the horn. The audience loved it! > > Bruce -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c6ee2b$6d39d970$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Barb Wire Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:22:49 -1000 One can make your own artificial barbed wire by twisting to lengths of 12 gauge house wire (or similar... sash cord would probably work as well) together (A drill with an eye bolt in its chuck works great for this. Attach the two wires to the eyebolt. Have two assistants (One person might work but I've always used two)hold the opposite ends off the wires pulling them taught-ish and standing a few feet apart. Turn on the drill and "Viola" ...twisted wire. To make the barbs, get some of the plastic spline used to hold screen material in place in aluminum window screens. Cut small pieces with diagonal cuts and tie them to the twisted wires at appropriate intervals. Paint the color of your choice. Done. Laters, Paul "You didn't mean 'EYAHHH', you meant 'ARGHH' ", was Tom's argument. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005901c6ee2c$5acc0690$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Idaho Scenic & Rigging" References:

Subject: Re: Barb Wire Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:29:28 -0600 Bloody good, that one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Guncheon" > "You didn't mean 'EYAHHH', you meant 'ARGHH' ", was Tom's argument. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c6ee2c$7968f090$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Jacobs ladder Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:30:18 -1000 I've used gas welding rods and a neon transformer to build these in the past. What have y'all used for a base for the wires. Everything I have treid (including bakelite) has burned or cracked after a short time causing the gap to fail. Granted, the last time I built one of these was around 1983 so I don't remember too many of the details of the device. In fact, it seems I don't remember too many of the details of the 80's either. Laters, Paul "I can't be bothered," said Tom carelessly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680610121135x16c4db09qa731ef482f2e255f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:35:46 -0400 From: "Eric Rouse" Subject: Re: Welders Redux In-Reply-To: References: I have used both the Miller and the Lincoln. I own one of the Lincolns and had one at my previous shop. I have been very pleased with it. Very easy to switch wire, convert to gas, and get parts for. It has taken a fair amount of abuse as well. Eric On 10/12/06, Rigger wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We covered this years ago, but my memory is weak... > > 115v wire-feed/MIG welder, around-$500 category, gettable at > Lowe's/Menard's/Home Despot... > > Do we like Lincoln or Miller or Hobart or all of the above or none of > the above? > > Gotta get one for work. Deciding between a Lincoln WeldPak 3200HD and > a Hobart Handler 140. If I had four times the budget, I'd be looking > at a Miller Passport, too. > > -- > Dave Vick > 20/20 Design > rigger [at] tds.net > -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <3ED95948-9B73-4276-A98F-C6BCC922601C [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:41:49 -0400 > Bruce, Was it the klezmatics who did the improvisation? It would be > par for the course with them. > Mike Nope - it was the New York Klezmer Orchestra (Based in Rochester) in there very first public performance! Rather stiff and boring visually (They've improved markedly since then), but very talented musicians one and all. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:42:47 EDT Subject: Re: Sound "Proof" Curtain/wall/door? In a message dated 10/10/06 01:40:37 GMT Daylight Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > > I can tell you with confidence that curtain by themselves won't do the job. > Unless you have very, very quiet shop people. > > I'm sure folks on this list have more recent experiences. A 13" brick wall, with airtight seals at all the joints, might help. This is what serious soundproofing needs, Real soundproofing needs mass. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <38A3E488-F13E-4DB1-8BD9-4D711FC1A0BE [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Jacobs ladder Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:49:04 -0400 > I've used gas welding rods and a neon transformer to build these in > the > past. What have y'all used for a base for the wires. Everything I > have treid > (including bakelite) has burned or cracked after a short time > causing the > gap to fail. The only time I built one of these was back in High School in the 70's, and I used straightened coat hangers. I attached them directly to the bolts on the transformer's outputs. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:54:50 GMT Subject: Re: Jacobs ladder Message-Id: <20061012.115455.15735.578578 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> I have taken needle-nose pliers and formed a loop in the end of the = rods, attached the loops to the transformer wiring posts with the = nuts provided, and then adjusted the rods to form the widening gap. /s/ Richard ________________________ I've used gas welding rods and a neon transformer to build these in = the past. What have y'all used for a base for the wires. Everything I = have treid (including bakelite) has burned or cracked after a short = time causing the gap to fail. Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c6ee34$0e066cd0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Snowballs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:24:35 -1000 I have not done this... it's an article from a magazine so it must work. I paraphrase: Ingredients: 1 personal size bar of Ivory soap, 1 cup H2O Grate the soap with a cheese grater into a blender and liquefy for 2-4 seconds (not too long as the mixture must have some texture to remain brittle. Whipped too long and the snowballs will be too rubbery and will not break). Pour the mixture into a bowl and beat with an electric mixer until the mixture "peaks". Dish the whipped soap onto waxed paper with an ice cream scoop. Let dry overnight then turn over and let dry overnight again. The dried snowballs should be lightly scored to help them break. This recipe should make 5-6 snowballs that will last 4-5 days after which they become too brittle and will not break. Please let the list know what you tried, what succeeded, and what didn't. ... and in the program, my name should have a box around it. Laters, Paul "Here's the recipe for the snow thingy's" Tom bawled. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452EA0AB.4040509 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:08:11 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: Paul Guncheon wrote: > I have not done this... it's an article from a magazine so it must work. > > I paraphrase: > > Ingredients: 1 personal size bar of Ivory soap, 1 cup H2O > > Grate the soap with a cheese grater into a blender and liquefy for 2-4 > seconds (not too long as the mixture must have some texture to remain > brittle. Whipped too long and the snowballs will be too rubbery and will not > break). Pour the mixture into a bowl and beat with an electric mixer until > the mixture "peaks". Dish the whipped soap onto waxed paper with an ice > cream scoop. Let dry overnight then turn over and let dry overnight again. > > The dried snowballs should be lightly scored to help them break. This recipe > should make 5-6 snowballs that will last 4-5 days after which they become > too brittle and will not break. That's the Yale Tech Briefs method a couple of people have sent me, yeah. > > Please let the list know what you tried, what succeeded, and what didn't. Oh, I will. Might even slap some test photos up on the Web. I've promised the kids in the cast that they can help me test out snowballs one of these weekends. They're jazzed. I'm really liking the sound of the polymer snow - it sounds as if it's based onmaterial similar to what's used as for "hydrogel" soil additives (add water to tiny crystals, soak and *poof* - you get big, clear jelly-fied cubes-o'-water that slow moisture loss from your potted plants). I can see how, if the crystals were ground fine enough, they might turn into something snow-like when moistened. > ... and in the program, my name should have a box around it. It wouldn't be the first time I've acknowledged "so-and-so and members of the stagecraft e-mail list" in a program. Nor, I hope, the last. (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061012123947.00c539b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:39:47 From: CB Subject: Re: General stage policy >> Covers almost everything. >But not all of the possibilities, unfortunately. Hi Frank, How's the 'no smoking in public thing going over? Going back to France next season? Oh, and of course it doesn't cover all the possibilities. This is specifically why I used the word 'almost' in place of the word 'absolutely'. >Fencing, as I was taught, is >carried out under strict rules, and my own masters were very hot on these. Yes, but, if you used common sense ("I am holding what is meant to represent a weapon, and while not actually a weapon, it carries some of the same consequences if I use it in the same manner as a weapon, so I ought not unless the other person I am using it against is prepared for the 'attack', both mentally and physically, including the proper dress") ergo, not being stupid, these rules would be somewhat (not ethe use of the word, 'somewhat' as to denote not under every circumstance...) superfluous, which, was the entire point of my post. >But, give someone a foil, and he thinks he's Errol Flynn. ...and that's stupid. >Thankfully, It's hard >to do any harm with a foil, if everybody is properly dressed. Stupid peole, while stupid, are incredibly resourceful. If people aren't properly dressed, well, that's kinda stupid, too. >Epee and sabre >are different, but by the time you have moved on to these, you will have >acquired discipline. Unless, of course, you're stupid. See how that all works? Simple, and useful, "Don't be Stupid!" Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:19:05 -0400 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Snowballs In-Reply-To: References:

On 10/12/06, Pat Kight wrote: > > Oh, I will. Might even slap some test photos up on the Web. I've > promised the kids in the cast that they can help me test out snowballs > one of these weekends. They're jazzed. > Until the cast finds out that their help will consist of being targets while the staff and crew will actually be throwing the snowballs. :) Kurt ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452EB074.1020508 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:15:32 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: Kurt Cypher wrote: > On 10/12/06, Pat Kight wrote: > >> >> Oh, I will. Might even slap some test photos up on the Web. I've >> promised the kids in the cast that they can help me test out snowballs >> one of these weekends. They're jazzed. > Until the cast finds out that their help will consist of being targets > while the staff and crew will actually be throwing the snowballs. :) Nah, I like these kids. They'll get to take turns being the throwers *and* the targets. Call it an exercise in trust. (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:25:57 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger In-Reply-To: References: > Its all in a days work when your bosses are Sid, Marty, & Harry Kroft. > /s/ Richard That must have been a "trip" Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:27:50 -0500 From: "Jonathan Zitelman" Subject: ETCNet2 compatability with LAN The entire campus where I work has a wireless network in place. The auditorium is included in this so students can use their laptops during lectures, etc. With the addition of a WRFU and its wireless access point I am curious as to what, if any, problems this could create? With computers having the ability to connect to multiple networks at the same time now, is there a possible clashing of the ETCNet2 system with the school's LAN? From the other angle, could the wireless access point already connected to the LAN be used in connection with the WRFU as long as the ETCNet2 is connected to that access point? The largest problem I can foresee is unauthorized access into the ETC system. This could be controlled with the proper safeguards in place. Are there any other issues that might arise? Is this type of connection even possible? I'd appreciate any feedback from the list from those who have run into this issue or actually tried setting this type of connection up. -Jonathan Zitelman =86 Technical Director Texas Lutheran University ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:59:27 EDT Subject: Re: General stage policy In a message dated 12/10/06 21:11:50 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Hi Frank, How's the 'no smoking in public thing going over? Going back to > France next season? Oh, and of course it doesn't cover all the > possibilities. This is specifically why I used the word 'almost' in place > of the word 'absolutely'. It seems to be accepted, although the Lord knows why. I am just back from Italy, where it is in force. The climate there is benign, and the outdoor terraces are OK. France has a pragmatic attitude, and will find answers. I have a trip to Scotland in prospect, where it is already in force, and will post when I find out about it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Snowballs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:47:28 -0400 > I'm really liking the sound of the polymer snow - it sounds as if > it's based onmaterial similar to what's used as for "hydrogel" soil > additives (add water to tiny crystals, soak and *poof* - you get > big, clear jelly-fied cubes-o'-water that slow moisture loss from > your potted plants). If I'm not mistaken, it's also the stuff used inside disposable diapers. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:39:11 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Snowballs References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bruce Purdy writes >> I'm really liking the sound of the polymer snow - it sounds as if >>it's based onmaterial similar to what's used as for "hydrogel" soil >>additives (add water to tiny crystals, soak and *poof* - you get >>big, clear jelly-fied cubes-o'-water that slow moisture loss from >>your potted plants). > > If I'm not mistaken, it's also the stuff used inside disposable >diapers. Although obviously that particular stuff shouldn't be scrunched up into a ball and thrown at people if it's been soiled. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Subject: LA to LDI to LA=Trouble? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: <0D95500B034AF040BB65163649D9372F37D842 [at] mail.whittier.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Reed Brian" Maybe someone has brought up the problem already (if so, I missed that), but driving home from LDI-Vegas to southern California via I-15 probably will be a major hassle that weekend because of construction south of Cajon Pass near Devore. For updated information about the road work on I-15, you can check out this CalTrans website: http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist8/devore2/index.htm. I'm thinking about an alternate return route (via Kelso, Amboy, and Twenty-nine Palms or via Boron, Mojave, and Palmdale). Anyone have any suggestions about that? Safe traveling! Brian Brian Reed Dept. of Theatre Whittier College Whittier, CA =20 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <20EF86F5-F046-46DB-ACB3-8B89A6B180D2 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Snowballs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:46:24 -0400 >> If I'm not mistaken, it's also the stuff used inside >> disposable diapers. > > Although obviously that particular stuff shouldn't be scrunched up > into a ball and thrown at people if it's been soiled. I was wondering who would be the first to make that connection. I should have known it would be you, Clive! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:11:26 GMT Subject: Re: LA to LDI to LA=Trouble? Message-Id: <20061012.171219.15735.580228 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Brian, = The Palmdale route (SR 14+138) is usually the fastest and is used by = Valley Travel EVERY WEEK to do its Van Nuys to Las Vegas turnarounds. = Unless I get too busy, I am intending to buy their $25 round trip. /s/ Richard _______________________ I'm thinking about an alternate return route (via Kelso, Amboy, and Twenty-nine Palms or via Boron, Mojave, and Palmdale). Anyone have = any suggestions about that? Brian Reed ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:33:45 -0700 I would say so too! Richard, did you get to work the 70's morning shows, H.R. Pufnstuf, The Bugaloos, Sigmond, Sleestak's and all the other ones they came up with Kroffts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Munroe" > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Its all in a days work when your bosses are Sid, Marty, & Harry Kroft. > > /s/ Richard > > That must have been a "trip" > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200610130125.k9D1P2HL013592 [at] ms-smtp-03.socal.rr.com> Reply-To: From: "Carolyn Tsutsui" Subject: RE: fire systems and hazers/foggers Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:03 -1000 In-Reply-To: Whenever we have a show with fog/haze we have to shut our alarms off for the stage area. Our system can be shut down one alarm at a time. I guess it has to do with the size of your space, sensitivity on the alarms and the company that handles your system. You would hate to be charged for false alarms. Carolyn Stage Manager Hawaii Theatre Center -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kent Laue Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: fire systems and hazers/foggers For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Thought I might pose this question to the list before I go setting off alarms, I am borrowing a hazer from one of the other local theaters for one of our productions. The TD there says that I need to shut off our fire suppression system when running the hazer to avoid setting off alarms(evidently he has done it). We actually own a fogger and I can easily flood the stage/house without having the fire alarms go off. Does anyone have any reccommendations or experience in this area? ~Kent ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452EEEF6.1020102 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:42:14 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Welders Redux References: In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > > We covered this years ago, but my memory is weak... > > 115v wire-feed/MIG welder, around-$500 category, gettable at > Lowe's/Menard's/Home Despot... > > Do we like Lincoln or Miller or Hobart or all of the above or none of > the above? > > Gotta get one for work. Deciding between a Lincoln WeldPak 3200HD and a > Hobart Handler 140. If I had four times the budget, I'd be looking at a > Miller Passport, too. > I have run the snot out of the Hobart, and it takes a real beating and keeps running bead. Hobart and Miller are both ITW and either one is pretty tough to beat. I've run 3 different Hobart Handlers and been quite happy with them. I believe Seattle Opera ran a pack of them too. $500 would also put you in the running for a used MillerMatic 200 on E-bay, which is totally bullet-proof and gets you to a whole new level. Bigger stuff, faster, and most work at a lower duty cycle so the machine lasts forever! Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <452EF69C.6000602 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:14:52 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: Welders Redux References:

In-Reply-To: >> Gotta get one for work. Deciding between a Lincoln WeldPak 3200HD and >> a Hobart Handler 140. If I had four times the budget, I'd be looking >> at a Miller Passport, too. > I have run the snot out of the Hobart, and it takes a real beating and > keeps running bead. Hobart and Miller are both ITW and either one is > pretty tough to beat. > > I've run 3 different Hobart Handlers and been quite happy with them. I > believe Seattle Opera ran a pack of them too. > > $500 would also put you in the running for a used MillerMatic 200 on > E-bay, which is totally bullet-proof and gets you to a whole new level. > Bigger stuff, faster, and most work at a lower duty cycle so the > machine lasts forever! > > Stuart I've got a MillerMatic 135 (near your price range without the cart) and a MillerMatic 200. I'd use Stuart's advice and get a used 200. It is nice to be able to weld material thicker than 3/16" in one pass. Depending on what you are doing the duty cycle can be key. The Miller, Hobart and Lincoln products are fairly similar at this PP. All take a licking and keep on ticking. Miller is a local company for me so I support them when I am able, as Kristy also mentioned. FWIW Shawn Palmer Appleton, WI USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061013025637.91291.qmail [at] web82213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Emergency Lights for my new space In-Reply-To: I believe that the emergency lights are on a seperate breaker panel that is fed by either the mains or the generator, depending on the situation. A transfer switch automatically starts the generator and powers that panel from the generator until it runs out of fuel or the power comes back on. Of course that assumes that the transfer switch is installed and programmed correctly, which is another story. If we need to replace tubes or do any other maintenance work we turn off the fixtures at the breaker after the transfer switch. Mike Heinicke --- Bruce Purdy wrote: > > Or just be hardwired with no switch so that it is > > always on. Our building has lights like this in > all > > the hallways with the difference being that they > are > > connected to a backup generator and an automatic > > switch instead of a battery. > > So you can't turn the power off when you change a > burned out tube? > Or do you turn off the entire system each time? > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:10:58 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Welders Redux I wound up buying a new Lincoln WeldPak 3200HD at the local Home Despot; the heaviest I need to deal with is 1/4" steel on occasion, more usually 3/16" angle or Sched. 80 pipe. I figure it'll either do what I need it to do, which is nothing critical (that's what we hire the guy with the certification for) or it won't, in which case I'll get something else. Thanks for the feedback, y'all. This time I'll try to remember to save it. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3135.24.193.184.29.1160718316.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MiniMag Tailcap Switch From: "Andy Leviss" Hey gang, A couple weeks ago--geeks that we are--we were discussing aftermarket tailcap switch upgrades for the MiniMag AA, and somebody pointed out the Kroll switch I reviewed and recommended on my website. Well, last week, I discovered that TerraLux, who makes the MiniStar LED upgrade I use in my main light now makes their own tailcap upgrade, too. I got one to check out, and just posted the review of what I think is even better than the Kroll at my site: http://www.onefromtheroad.com/index.php?p=114 Just thought I'd pass it on--finally a beefy tailcap switch that doesn't snag in my holster! Not perfect, but almost... --Andy ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:13:40 GMT Subject: Re: in search of dry ice fogger Message-Id: <20061012.231353.15735.581346 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> I was more on the legit side, but I was surrounded by the puppets and = props from those shows at their shop on the NE corner of Vineland Ave = and Sherman Way, across the street from the Burbank airport. I was a = very accomplished puppet show Stage Manager 33-odd years ago. They = produced a touring show called Poupes de Paris, (?) IIRC. I later got = involved with the producing end of it and actually owned my own = puppet theatre trailer (ie: a box trailer with fold-up and fold down = flaps to create a stage below and a rigging area above) for a few = years. I soon grew tired of touring and settled for other pursuits. /s/ Richard __________________________________________ I would say so too! Richard, did you get to work the 70's morning = shows, H.R. Pufnstuf, The Bugaloos, Sigmond, Sleestak's and all the = other ones they came up with Kroffts? ----- Original Message ----- = From: "Brian Munroe" > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Its all in a days work when your bosses are Sid, Marty, & Harry = Krofft. > > /s/ Richard > > That must have been a "trip" > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > = ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1227.205.215.255.52.1160727125.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MiniMag Tailcap Switch From: "Bill Nelson" > http://www.onefromtheroad.com/index.php?p=114 > > Just thought I'd pass it on--finally a beefy tailcap switch that doesn't > snag in my holster! Not perfect, but almost... I don't understand the review completely. Is it Click On, Click Off? Please explain the action a bit more precisely. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #981 *****************************