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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36738975; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:01:27 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #989 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:01:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #989 1. Re: a political stance by Chip Wood 2. Re: a political stance by Stuart Wheaton 3. Re: Pinocchio Nose by Jim Hyslop 4. Re: a political stance - theatre by CB 5. Re: a political stance by CB 6. Re: a political stance - theatre by CB 7. Re: a political stance - theatre by "Brooke Carlson" 8. Re: dry ice fog redux by "Nathan Kahn" 9. Cloth repair by "David Islas" 10. political stance by "Michael Powers" 11. Re: a political stance by "Bill Nelson" 12. Re: a political stance by "Bill Nelson" 13. Re: a political stance - theatre by "Bill Nelson" 14. Re: a political stance by "Bill Nelson" 15. Re: a political stance - theatre by "Bill Nelson" 16. Re: a political stance - theatre by Dorian Kelly 17. Re: a political stance by Dorian Kelly 18. Re: a political stance - theatre by 19. Re: a political stance - theatre by *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <45380A72.9060305 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:29:54 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: a political stance References: In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > 1776 a musical. ??? doom > >> Maybe someone would like to do a play on the subject? > > Nope, wrong assembly. Those guys only did the Declaration of Independence- nothing about guns. It wasn't until 1789 that the present Constitution was ratified. I did a revue in 1989 to celebrate it's 200 anniversary. Played Madison, not badly, if I do say myself. I can't remember where he was on guns, tho. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45382F82.7040706 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:08:02 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: a political stance References: In-Reply-To: rigger [at] tds.net wrote: >> From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com >> Date: 2006/10/19 Thu PM 05:39:21 GMT >> >> I'll tell you quite simply. Guns are made for killing people. Thats all. Cars >> and alcohol both have other legitimate purposes. To be fair, so do some guns. >> Hunting rifles and shotguns have. Handguns, no. > > > That'll come as a rude shock to my target pistols; they think their purpose is to punch little holes in paper. > > Hey Stuart Wheaton; how do you plan on breaking this news to your target pistols? Well, the Smith 52 took it pretty hard. Now it wants to hold more than 5 shots and it really feels inadequate because it can only shoot low velocity, flat nosed wad-cutter bullets. I tried to explain to it how it's twin brother once won the US national championships straight out of the box, but it's pretty inconsolable. I'll have to keep a close eye on it to make sure it doesn't go on a rampage. Frank, I saw a movie the other day that proved to me that chainsaws are really only for dismembering people. Sure some people do cut up trees with them, but they are really only practicing to chop up humans, right? On May 14, 1988 twenty-seven people were murdered in the vicinity of Carrollton Kentucky. The killer was named Larry Mahoney. No effort was ever made to ban or restrict access to his chosen weapon. Mahoney killed 27 people and severly injured 34 when he crashed his pickup truck into a church bus while driving the wrong way on an interstate highway with a blood alcohol limit 2.5 times the state limit at the time. His victims died in a very hot, fast fire. Instead of taking the reasonable approach and banning private ownership of assault trucks, the fools in Kentucky just became very aggressive at pursuing and prosecuting drunk drivers and focusing on repeat offenders. This is obviously a complete waste of time and very unfair to those who habitually break the law. Focusing on those who are inclined to break the law repeatedly and either removing them from society or addressing their underlying issues has no potential to benefit society. And voting for people who would erase the 1st, 4th, 5th, 8th and 14th amendments just to defend against an imagined assault against the 2nd is absurd. The incoming Democratic Congress will have plenty of work to do ferreting out the corruption, they won't have time for Gun Control. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45383902.5030702 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:48:34 -0400 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Pinocchio Nose References: In-Reply-To: Eccleston, Mark wrote: > We are doing Pinocchio next year and are trying to find different ways to > make Pinocchio's nose grow during the show. Any suggestions? I did Pinocchio in college. We cut a plastic cigar into about 1" cylinders, that would nest inside each other. Inside the cylinder was a rubber latex bladder (aka condom :=) attached to a tube. The tube was taped to the actor, and ran behind his head, under his costume, and ended in a squeeze bulb which was hidden in his pocket. When he lied, he pumped the bulb, filling the condom with air, and pushing the nose out. There was no auto-retraction system, so the action was staged so that the blue fairy pushed his nose back in. I wasn't directly involved in constructing the nose, so I don't know details about how it was held together, attached to the actor's face, and so on. I can try to put together some drawings and post them online, if my description is inadequate. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061019192020.00c4c410 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:20:20 From: CB Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre >regulation and >legislation does not need to remove your "right" to have access to >firearms if you can prove your need. It would be great if you Yanks >would just grow up and realize less guns means less deaths by guns. Ther is no proof to that statement. Canada has generously more guns per capita than the US. It has fer fewer gun deaths per capita than the US at the same time. This info is readily available from th anti-gun activist, Michael Moore. He wouldn't bring it up if it weren't true. There are far more jerks per capita in the US, and jerks kill. Now, if we can legislate jerks out of existance, I'd be the first in line to vote for it. >As far as >handgun owners in Canada, there might be a couple of thousand hand >gun licences issued in Canada that don't belong to military, police >or security. Bill's numbers are far closer to the accurate ones. The RCMP's 'Canadian Firarms Centre' reports individual licenses to own a firearm at 6,249,577 asof June of this year. This represents 1.6 million license holders, some, ovbviously with more weapons than others. There are almost six thousand licenses issued to Canada's minors. Canada's estimated population at the time of this writing is 32,660,229. This represents a nearly 20% gun ownership for those that are legal. Look, I'm not sure thar this is the proper forum for this discussion, and I've been responding off-list to most folk, but I really can't let emotionally charged bad information go sliding by without saying something. These facts are readily available, and easily checked. Making your point with bad, or made up statistics really doesn't make your point at all. Ya'll need to take a breath, do some research, find out how you feel about this, and try to have a calm, civil, reality based discussion. Or take it elsewhere. Fanaticism does no-one any good. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061019192820.00c4c410 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:28:20 From: CB Subject: RE: a political stance >We license operators of cars, cars, trucks, boats.. >We license electricians, contractors, architects, doctors, lawyers, >We regulate and require training of many things, pyrotechnics, fire safety, >etc. > >Why not guns and gun owners? It would be considered unconstitutional. The constitution presently says that the right to own tools required to protect yourself from an equally or better armed government is a protected right. With the same logic, however, we require a dog owner to get a license, why not parents? There is no law that grants folk the right to reproduce, is there? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061019194618.00c4c410 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:46:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre >Open-carry may technically be legal in a given jurisdiction, but you better believe that if you attempt to exercise that right you'll be talking to the gendarmes rather quickly. Dave, come to Arizona. They'd be right there if you tried to take the thing into a bar, a polling place, a school, or any public establishment or event where the owner or presenter has requested that you not carry (AZ Revised Satute 13-3102.) And the weather is warm, you can ride year 'round. Technically, if the local had not prohibited it, the rail would be a perfectly acceptabel place to be armed.. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1449f50a0610192023h22d46061lf66ad7bc35fb7481 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:23:22 -0700 From: "Brooke Carlson" Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre In-Reply-To: References: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:46:18, CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > And the weather is warm, you can ride year 'round. Technically, if the > local had not prohibited it, the rail would be a perfectly acceptabel place > to be armed.. Only if you are after big game...like, oh say, rhinos... -- Brooke Carlson Automation Carpenter Lion King - Cheetah Tour ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270610192016l6629af59g20a68e7d4ebd00e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:16:22 -0400 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: dry ice fog redux In-Reply-To: References: Hello Everybody, We are introducing our new low fogger called the Cryo-Fog this weekend at LDI. We believe it is the most efficient low fogger available. It's certainly the smallest. It uses our Low-Fog fluid and requires a dewar of liquid CO2. It consumes 1 liter of LCO2 per minute, so with the most popular dewar being 180l that means 3 hours of output. The reason our machine is so efficient is that, while other models first create regular fog and then convert it to low fog, our machine creates low fog straight from the nozzle. The machine is 26"x20"x12", and yes that includes the fog generator, and yes that includes the compartment for the 5-liter jug of fluid. (What else would you expect from the maker of the Tiny-Fogger :-) We had this unit tested by Environ a few months ago so it is already AEA acceptable. We also paid for the time/distance testing so you won't need to rent a meter. The list price is $6,500 and, as is the case with all of our products, demo units are available for free evaluation. Well I'm off to Vegas in the morning. Hope to see you all there (I'll be in the Look Solutions booth #874 Saturday afternoon and Sunday only). Nathan -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2385c8110610192240o288b7632l63498f9045b92a20 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:09 -0700 From: "David Islas" Subject: Cloth repair What would be the best way to fix a tear in cloth about 6-8 inches long? The fix will only have to last about 1-2 days and endure minimal contact or motion, but would have to stand up to somewhat close inspection. Thanks for the help. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0610192332k540dcd96t96684de9ce90613a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:32:55 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: political stance I thought I could stay out of this but I guess not. As a currently inactive Marine (active 1966-1969) you can probably guess my general opinion of firearms. Are firearms useful for things other than killing people? Between 1955 and 1959, my family spent zero dollars on beef. My dad, brother and I provided enough venison to last year round. Are automatic weapons needed? In my case, yes. Granted, my circumstances were a bit extreme but, without - my name would be on The Wall. With - I came home. For things like hunting, nah, no need, it'd be stupid. Hand guns ? First repeat the previous paragraph. That said, a hand gun can be a useful tool. In The City, no. But in many rural and remote places, yes. American blacksmiths not having the skill to make accurate weapons? As several people have already pointed out, the skill and technology were there to make very accurate smooth bore and rifled, well, rifles. As for accuracy, well the gunsmiths and blacksmiths made good weapons, the accuracy was up to the marksman. While the legends of Crockett and Boone et al may be a bit exaggerated at times. There was basis for fact. Those gentlemen were very accurate with the weapons they had. While I'm not the world's best shot, the Marine Corps did see fit to give me the badge for expert marksman, that means I can plink beer cans at 500 yds. with iron sights. I hunt each fall with a smooth bore, black powder, flintlock rifle. Every year my freezer is full of venison. As for the matter of Jefferson looking overseas for gun makers. There were two reasons for that. First was due to the fact that every American weapon was one-of-a-kind. Each was different, each had parts that were of different shapes and sizes. Parts from one would not fit parts from another. Repair in the field was almost impossible. The second was quantity (not quality) , both problems were solved by American gun makers before the end of the war. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1328.64.28.53.49.1161326526.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a political stance From: "Bill Nelson" > Hammer-forging rifled barrels is oooolllld technology that it still in use > today. The steel is forged around a heated mandrel with raised spiral > ridges, forming the recessed rifling inside the barrel. Once the barrel > seam was welded shut, the mandrel was cooled, which shrunk it enough to > allow it to be withdrawn from the rifled barrel. Even in the 1850s, twist barrels were mostly used for shotguns. Rifles were made from a forged billet, which was bored out then button rifled. I could do all of it in my garage - except I don't have the facilities for making the billet. The tooling for cutting the grooves is trivial to produce. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1339.64.28.53.49.1161326934.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a political stance From: "Bill Nelson" > Rockets are easy. Rifles are harder. I still want to know how your > blacksmiths made a rifle barrel. Truly bored and rifled. Basicallly the same way that barrels are forged, bored and rifled today. The only real difference is that it was all done with hand power - except the barrel forging was often aided by a waterwheel powered trip hammer. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1343.64.28.53.49.1161327226.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre From: "Bill Nelson" >> (3)Use the tool as the manufacturer intended. > > The manufacturer intended it to be used to KILL people. A handgun has no > other purpose. Target practice allows you to do it better. Bull. The manufacture made the firearm to be used. They do not specify the use, although there are certain models designed for special uses - such as the S&W Chief's Special. It may be that these are only sold to police departments. My target pistols were specifically designed for target shooting. They would be impractical for any other purpose. Some state allow handguns to be used for hunting. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1354.64.28.53.49.1161327783.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a political stance From: "Bill Nelson" > This is going too far. To start with, it suggests that the populace was > armed, and could be organised to revolt. It also implies that the > government was > sufficiently unpopular to provoke such a revolt, and insufficiently > organised to > nip it in the bud. Dealing with the ringleaders is usually sufficient. Back when the US was founded, every able bodied male of means WAS expected to have a rifle and be proficient in its use. One of the reasons for an armed citizenry was so that they COULD overthrow an out of control government. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1367.64.28.53.49.1161328358.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre From: "Bill Nelson" > Please tell me how to use a handgun safely. Take a class. They are available in most cities, often associated with the local Community College. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:14:00 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I disagree -- The Constitution was designed to be a flexible >document, as were its amendments. The 'Right to Bear Arms' clause has >been interpreted differently over the years, but still is valid law. >The writers would NOT cringe; they would be glad that their ideas >survived these many years, and were still given respect and effect. >/s/ Richard Thank God here in the UK we have a constitution, but weve never written the beastly thing down... :-) Dorian ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:16:04 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: a political stance > >Specialist tools? My wife and fellow shop workers built a rifle >when she was doing smithing work (wrought iron), they used what they >had available and built the rest. > Did it pass proofing tests? DK ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 8:43:32 +0000 Message-Id: <20061020084332.CAAV9318.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net> > From: CB > Date: 2006/10/20 Fri AM 12:20:20 GMT > > This info is readily available from th anti-gun activist, > Michael Moore. He wouldn't bring it up if it weren't true. Now that's *funny!* -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 8:54:05 +0000 Message-Id: <20061020085405.CASV9318.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net> > From: CB > Date: 2006/10/20 Fri AM 12:46:18 GMT > > Dave, come to Arizona. I've already spent a September in Tempe, five years ago. It's not an experience I look forward to repeating. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #989 *****************************