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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #990

 1. Re: a political stance
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 2. Re: Cloth repair
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
 3. Re: a political stance
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
 4. Blind students working in shop
    by BKHAIN [at] aol.com
 5. Re: Blind students working in shop
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
 6. Re: a political stance - theatre
    by "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
 7. Re: Blind students working in shop
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
 8. University Positions Available
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
 9. dry ice fog redux
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
10. Re: Blind students working in shop
    by "Kurt Cypher" <kurt.stagecraftlist [at] gmail.com>
11. Re: Blind students working in shop
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
12. ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
13. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
14. Props query
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
15. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
16. 1KAF Fresnels
    by <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
17. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
18. Re: Props query
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
19. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
20. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
21. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
22. Re: Props query
    by "Meixner, Rebekkah Jean" <rmeixner [at] ius.edu>
23. Re: a political stance - theatre
    by Scott Spidell <sspidell [at] uwaterloo.ca>
24. Re: Cloth repair
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
25. Re: Black-and-white or sepia photo effect
    by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" <jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu>
26. Re: 1KAF Fresnels
    by "Dirk Van Pernis" <DVanpernis [at] olneytheatre.org>
27. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
28. Re: a political stance
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: a political stance - theatre
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
30. Re: Push sticks
    by "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
31. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
32. Re: a political stance
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
33. Re: a political stance
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
34. Re: a political stance
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
35. Re: a political stance - theatre
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
36. Re: 1KAF Fresnels
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
37. Re: Blind students working in shop
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
38. Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
39. Re: a political stance
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
40. Re: a political stance
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
41. Re: a political stance - theatre
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
42. MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Re: 1KAF Fresnels
    by <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
44. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
45. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
46. Re: a political stance
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
47. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
48. Re: a political stance
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
49. Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
50. Re: a political stance
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
51. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
52. Re: a political stance
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
53. Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
54. Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
55. Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
56. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
57. Re: a political stance
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
58. Re: 1KAF Fresnels
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
59. Re: a political stance
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
60. Re: a political stance
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
61. Re: a political stance
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
62. Re: a political stance
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
63. Re: a political stance
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
64. Re: a political stance
    by Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>

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Message-ID: <1459.64.28.53.49.1161342215.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:03:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: a political stance
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Now, why? Are you secretly planning a second revolution?

Find a copy of the law that our President signed about a week ago.

Bill



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Message-ID: <4538BE28.8000207 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:16:40 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Cloth repair
References: <list-36728109 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-36728109 [at] prxy.net>

David Islas wrote:

> What would be the best way to fix a tear in cloth about 6-8 inches long?
> 
> The fix will only have to last about 1-2 days and endure minimal
> contact or motion,
> but would have to stand up to somewhat close inspection.

What sort of cloth?  Is it a tight weave or a loose one? Is it colored 
or does it have a pattern?  Do you have any more of it?  Does the repair 
only affect one side?  Is it ever lit from behind?

Get a large embroidery hoop.
Carefully fit the hoop around the tear, holding the fabric taut without 
adding stretch.
Now, you have several options.

Glue the ends of the cut fibers together with a fabric glue like Sobo.
	-Use a very light touch, and take your time.

Get the proper color(s) of thread and sew or re-weave the fabric across 
the gap.

Apply a patch of similar fabric to the back of the tear and sew or glue 
it into place.

Try ironing a fusible interfacing or other heat adhering fabric to the 
back of the tear.

Stuart

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: a political stance
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:16:59 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPCEHCENAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-36741924 [at] prxy.net>

Guys 'n' Gals,

Much as I'm sure this topic has obviously sparked some strong feelings on
both sides of the argument over in the good ol' U S of A, it really is
starting to monopolise the normal service associated with this list. Indeed,
as someone else pointed out, there are probably zillions of other forums in
which you can vent your spleen over one side or the other, because after all
we are a STAGECRAFT list. And whilst there have been one or two loose
attempts at bringing some sort of association with tech theatre, I don't
really see that those have come anywhere near being on-topic enough to keep
this diatribe going. It was mildly amusing to watch (and contribute a
little) at the start, but now it's starting to get nasty. 8-((

Let's just accept, for this group, anyway, that the gun-lovers ain't gonna
change their minds, neither are the anti-gun lobby, and that us Brits are
never gonna understand either viewpoint with any alacrity, and leave it at
that, please...!!

So, NUFF SAID, OK?

TD



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From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <453.7974b9d.326a2977 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:30:31 EDT
Subject: Blind students working in shop

Hi everyone...

Quite some time ago there was discussion on this list about having a blind 
student work in the shop. 

I'm thrilled to be able to tell you about the blind man I have had working in 
my shop the last week. 

He handles tools better than a lot of the students and isn't afraid to try 
anything he feels to be within his limits. He told me himself he "wasn't good 
with color" so that wouldn't be the best use of his time. But he said he was 
comfortable using tools including a screwgun and hand saw. So I explained and 
'showed' him where the screw guns and screws are, explained what needed to be 
done and he attached 2 x 6's to the bottom of a round platform. I kept him 
supplied with lumber, he just kept right on working! The next day I explained a 
problem, he designed a solution; I found him lumber, got him a hand saw and got 
him to the vice and he cut and attached the wood. 

After that I had him drilling holes on 6" centers in a 1 x 6'. I put a strip 
of masking tape on every mark so he could feel that with his fingers, drilled 
the hole until he could feel the tip of the spade bit come out the bottom, 
then turned the board over and finished the hole from the opposite side. Am I 
spending extra time with this student? Yes, but is it any more than some other 
less experienced sighted students? I doubt it.  

Now, this is a student in the 'Introduction to Acting Class' and he only 
needs 5 hours of shop time but still...he's doing great and he has a great 
attitude.  

On the other hand there is another visually impaired student in the acting 
class and he has told the instructor there's "no way" he can work in the shop. 
I believe the result of the previous discussion on this list was that we need 
to work with the students own abilities. 

Pretty good examples of that here.

Ben

Benjamin Hain
Technical Director
Hill Theater
Rochester Community and Technical College
Rochester Minnesota
507-285-7201
Ben.Hain [at] roch.edu

------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061020095107.03265808 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:51:59 -0400
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Blind students working in shop
In-Reply-To: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net>

Thanks Ben,

It's an interesting perspective, and nice to read about a "Stagecraft 
Issue" this morning.

-Ford
At 09:30 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi everyone...
>
>Quite some time ago there was discussion on this list about having a blind
>student work in the shop.
>
>I'm thrilled to be able to tell you about the blind man I have had working in
>my shop the last week.
>
>He handles tools better than a lot of the students and isn't afraid to try
>anything he feels to be within his limits. He told me himself he "wasn't good
>with color" so that wouldn't be the best use of his time. But he said he was
>comfortable using tools including a screwgun and hand saw. So I explained and
>'showed' him where the screw guns and screws are, explained what needed to be
>done and he attached 2 x 6's to the bottom of a round platform. I kept him
>supplied with lumber, he just kept right on working! The next day I 
>explained a
>problem, he designed a solution; I found him lumber, got him a hand 
>saw and got
>him to the vice and he cut and attached the wood.
>
>After that I had him drilling holes on 6" centers in a 1 x 6'. I put a strip
>of masking tape on every mark so he could feel that with his fingers, drilled
>the hole until he could feel the tip of the spade bit come out the bottom,
>then turned the board over and finished the hole from the opposite side. Am I
>spending extra time with this student? Yes, but is it any more than 
>some other
>less experienced sighted students? I doubt it.
>
>Now, this is a student in the 'Introduction to Acting Class' and he only
>needs 5 hours of shop time but still...he's doing great and he has a great
>attitude.
>
>On the other hand there is another visually impaired student in the acting
>class and he has told the instructor there's "no way" he can work in 
>the shop.
>I believe the result of the previous discussion on this list was that we need
>to work with the students own abilities.
>
>Pretty good examples of that here.
>
>Ben
>
>Benjamin Hain
>Technical Director
>Hill Theater
>Rochester Community and Technical College
>Rochester Minnesota
>507-285-7201
>Ben.Hain [at] roch.edu

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



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From: "Steven Santos" <steven [at] simplycircus.com>
Subject: RE: a political stance - theatre
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:19 -0400
Message-ID: <FDEPKKINFFFAJOOJMIKBCEGNDMAA.steven [at] simplycircus.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-36735040 [at] prxy.net>

Belly up to the bar and we can test that English constitution of yours :)



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Steven Santos
Director, Simply Circus, Inc.
Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com
 Mail: PO BOX 620753
       Newton, MA 02462
Phone: 781-799-4938
 eFax: 309-214-0899
  Web: www.SimplyCircus.com  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Dorian
> Kelly
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:14 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre
> 
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >I disagree -- The Constitution was designed to be a flexible
> >document, as were its amendments. The 'Right to Bear Arms' clause has
> >been interpreted differently over the years, but still is valid law.
> >The writers would NOT cringe; they would be glad that their ideas
> >survived these many years, and were still given respect and effect.
> >/s/ Richard
> 
> Thank God here in the UK we have a constitution, but weve never 
> written the beastly thing down... :-)
> 
> Dorian
> 
> 

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Message-ID: <4538DC0B.40802 [at] peak.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:24:11 -0700
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: Blind students working in shop
References: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net> <list-36749105 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-36749105 [at] prxy.net>

Ford Sellers wrote:

> It's an interesting perspective, and nice to read about a "Stagecraft 
> Issue" this morning.

No kidding. My stagecraft mail folder has been pretty empty since I 
killfiled That Other Discussion. (My blood pressure, on the other hand, 
has improved considerably).

Ben, it's great that you're willing to work with a person's abilities 
rather than dismiss them off-hand for their disabilities.

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org


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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:32:04 -0400
Subject: University Positions Available
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C15E5624.2EDE%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-36749105 [at] prxy.net>

Hello All,
As our department grows and programs evolve, there is one staff and three
faculty positions available for Fall 2007. I have pasted the short versions
of the ads for the four positions we are currently doing national searches
for.  These are the same ads that will be in ArtSearch shortly. The complete
ads may be seen at the SUNY-Fredonia Human Resources website.
The Dance position is a brand new line in support of the recently approved
BFA in Dance.  The Scene Shop Supervisor is a new full-time staff position
that will replace our retiring  part-time supervisor.  The Scene Designer
and the Acting/Directing positions will replace tenure track faculty who
have retired or resigned recently.

Please spread this information to any interested parties.
Thanks in advance for that.

Stephen E. Rees, Chair
Technical Director
Professor of Theatre
Department of Theatre and Dance
SUNY-Fredonia
Fredonia, NY  14063
716.673.3596



Assistant Professor of Scene Design.  NAST accredited undergraduate
department seeks tenure-track, full-time assistant professor for Fall 2007.
Full job description can be found at:

 http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/faculty.htm
 
Terminal degree with significant professional design experience.  Review
begins January 26, 2007. Do not submit portfolios at this time. Interested
persons should submit cover letter, resume, three current references, and
four representative samples of work in CD-R format and application for
appointment form to:
(Application available at:
http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/forms/application.pdf
 
                                    Chair, Scene Design Search
                                    SUNY Fredonia
                                    Department of Theatre and Dance
                                    212 Rockefeller Arts Center
                                    Fredonia, NY  14063
 
An affirmative action/equal opportunity employer, SUNY Fredonia encourages
and actively seeks applications from minorities, women, and people with
disabilities.

Scene Shop Supervisor. NAST accredited undergraduate department seeks Scene
Shop Supervisor to commence Fall 2007.  Full job description can be found
at: 
http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/professional.htm
 
The department offers BA and BFA degrees. Salary commensurate with
experience.  Minimum BA/BFA with 3-5 years experience in appropriate area.
MFA  preferred. Review of applications begins January 26, 2007.
 
Applicants should submit a cover letter, resume, three current references,
and application for appointment form to:
(Application available at:
http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/forms/application.pdf )

Chair, Shop Supervisor Search
SUNY Fredonia
Department of Theatre and Dance
212 Rockefeller Arts Center
Fredonia, NY  14063
                   
An affirmative action/equal opportunity employer, SUNY Fredonia encourages
and actively seeks applications from minorities, women, and people with
disabilities.
 

Assistant Professor of Dance.  NAST accredited undergraduate department
seeks full-time tenure track teacher/choreographer for new B.F.A. Dance
program, Fall 2007. Full job description can be found at:
 
 http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/faculty.htm
 
Review of applications begins January 26, 2007
M.F.A. or doctorate and 3 years of university-level teaching experience
preferred; Masters with exceptional teaching/professional experience
considered..  
 
Submit cover letter, resume, three current references, and application for
appointment form to:
(Application available at:
http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/forms/application.pdf)
 
                                    Chair, Dance Search Committee
                                    SUNY Fredonia
                                    Department of Theatre and Dance
                                    212 Rockefeller Arts Center
                                    Fredonia, NY  14063
                   
 
An affirmative action/equal opportunity employer, SUNY Fredonia encourages
and actively seeks applications from minorities, women, and people with
disabilities.
 

 
 
Assistant Professor Acting/Directing. NAST accredited undergraduate
department seeks full-time tenure track teacher of acting/directing, Fall
2007. Full job description can be found at:

http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/faculty.htm
 
M.F.A. with 3 years of university-level teaching preferred; exceptional
entry-level candidates considered.  Candidates should possess strong current
professional acting/directing experience.  Application review begins January
26, 2007.
 
Interested persons should submit a cover letter, resume, three current
references, and application for appointment form to:
(Application available at:
http://www.fredonia.edu/humanresources/forms/application.pdf )
 
 
                                    Chair, Acting/Directing Search Committee
                                    SUNY Fredonia
                                    Department of Theatre and Dance
                                    212 Rockefeller Arts Center
                                    Fredonia, NY  14063
                   
An affirmative action/equal opportunity employer, SUNY Fredonia encourages
and actively seeks applications from minorities, women, and people with
disabilities.



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Message-ID: <20061020144903.60885.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: dry ice fog redux
In-Reply-To: <list-36738963 [at] prxy.net>

>>We are introducing our new low fogger called the
Cryo-Fog this weekend
at LDI.  We believe it is the most efficient low
fogger available.
It's certainly the smallest.<<

Just wondering if the cyro-fog machine will work with
that fancy new "Opera" fog juice everyone was talking
about a lil while back...;-)


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Message-ID: <fcb018350610200802j73767f3fxada577663eadd513 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:13 -0400
From: "Kurt Cypher" <kurt.stagecraftlist [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Blind students working in shop
In-Reply-To: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net>

On 10/20/06, BKHAIN [at] aol.com <BKHAIN [at] aol.com> wrote:
> Now, this is a student in the 'Introduction to Acting Class' and he only
> needs 5 hours of shop time but still...he's doing great and he has a great
> attitude.
>
> On the other hand there is another visually impaired student in the acting
> class and he has told the instructor there's "no way" he can work in the shop.
> I believe the result of the previous discussion on this list was that we need
> to work with the students own abilities.
>

It might be interesting to see if the visually impaired person who was
already working in the shop might be willing/able to help determine
some things that the other student would be able to do, given his/her
particular limitations.  His perspective might allow him to think of
things to do that you or the other visually impaired student wouldn't
necessarily think of.

Kurt

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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061020110643.030733e0 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:08:10 -0400
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Blind students working in shop
In-Reply-To: <list-36752503 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36748320 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-36752503 [at] prxy.net>

That is a great point.  In fact, your current student may be able to 
help us all by sharing their perspective.

At 11:02 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>It might be interesting to see if the visually impaired person who was
>already working in the shop might be willing/able to help determine
>some things that the other student would be able to do, given his/her
>particular limitations.  His perspective might allow him to think of
>things to do that you or the other visually impaired student wouldn't
>necessarily think of.
>
>Kurt

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



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Message-Id: <s538b4be.034 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:36:25 -0400
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help

Hi Gang,

Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm trying
to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the offline
editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should hit
<setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In the
Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...

I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check the
software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the off
line editor to emulate the board I have.  

So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I want it
to be?
Is there another package I can use?
Moving lights tips anyone?


Thanks
Jerry

------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061020114642.0305b430 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:50:36 -0400
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
In-Reply-To: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>

Hi there,

Under "Options" in the "Expression Off-Line - untitled.shw" window 
(behind the emulator) select "Console Type".  Then go to "Setup" 
"15", this is "Moving Light Functions".  you should be able to Patch 
your fixtures from this page.

-Ford


  At 11:36 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm trying
>to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
>there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
>Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the offline
>editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should hit
><setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In the
>Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...
>
>I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check the
>software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the off
>line editor to emulate the board I have.
>
>So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I want it
>to be?
>Is there another package I can use?
>Moving lights tips anyone?
>
>
>Thanks
>Jerry

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Subject: Props query
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:52:24 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A068761BF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Our current production's prop tart is having a bit of a problem locating
a couple of items, so I figured I'd ask regarding the most difficult one
to construct from scratch...

Anyone out there have a WWII-era gas mask I can borrow/rent for a couple
of weeks?

------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061020115151.03055dc0 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:53:10 -0400
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
In-Reply-To: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>

Also Gerry,

Don't hit [1] [Enter] [5] [Enter], hit [15] [Enter]

-F

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Message-ID: <20061020155358.29939.qmail [at] web82812.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:53:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 1KAF Fresnels

About a year ago I started to have MPF Sockets burn
out in my Fresnels I didn't think much of it because
burnt sockets are normal.  However in the last 10
months I have replaced 9 of these with the last 4
being in the last 3 weeks!  The lights are in the 4-5
year old range.  Is this just the life span of an MPF
socket or could there be another problem?  Heat, burn
position (straight down 98% of the time), cheap
sockets, cheap lamps (I use GE BTR lamps), other?  

Thanks in advance.

Ken Zinkl
Auditorium Manager
Fort Zumwalt South High School
St. Peters, MO

------------------------------

Message-Id: <s538b990.020 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:56:57 -0400
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help

Oh good grief!  I just went up and found that very thing... <15> not
<1><5>...  That's what I get for R'ing TFM on not enough sleep.  

Thanks Ford!

I'm not finding the options menu though.  In the Expression Off-line
window  I see File, Convert, Window, and Help, but no Options...

Jerry


>>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/20/2006 11:50 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hi there,

Under "Options" in the "Expression Off-Line - untitled.shw" window 
(behind the emulator) select "Console Type".  Then go to "Setup" 
"15", this is "Moving Light Functions".  you should be able to Patch 
your fixtures from this page.

-Ford


  At 11:36 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm
trying
>to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
>there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
>Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the offline
>editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should
hit
><setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In
the
>Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...
>
>I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check
the
>software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the
off
>line editor to emulate the board I have.
>
>So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I want
it
>to be?
>Is there another package I can use?
>Moving lights tips anyone?
>
>
>Thanks
>Jerry

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Props query
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:01:24 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPKEHGENAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-36754768 [at] prxy.net>

Depends how accurate you need this to be.
I have some old respirator masks
(http://www.btinternet.com/~abbey.theatre/props_pic_Masks.htm) which may do
at a pinch - hardly WW2 era, tho...

TD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul
> Schreiner
> Sent: 20 October 2006 16:52
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Props query
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Our current production's prop tart is having a bit of a problem locating
> a couple of items, so I figured I'd ask regarding the most difficult one
> to construct from scratch...
>
> Anyone out there have a WWII-era gas mask I can borrow/rent for a couple
> of weeks?
>



------------------------------

Message-Id: <s538baa6.033 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:01:38 -0400
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help

Hmmm.  And while I'm at it, I see the Expression Off-Line setup screen
doesn't have an option 15.  This no doubt relates back to the whole
console setup setup screen issue.  I just downloaded this version from
ETC.  Is there a different version of the software that I should be
using?

Cheers Again!
Jerry

>>> gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu 10/20/2006 11:56 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Oh good grief!  I just went up and found that very thing... <15> not
<1><5>...  That's what I get for R'ing TFM on not enough sleep.  

Thanks Ford!

I'm not finding the options menu though.  In the Expression Off-line
window  I see File, Convert, Window, and Help, but no Options...

Jerry


>>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/20/2006 11:50 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Hi there,

Under "Options" in the "Expression Off-Line - untitled.shw" window 
(behind the emulator) select "Console Type".  Then go to "Setup" 
"15", this is "Moving Light Functions".  you should be able to Patch 
your fixtures from this page.

-Ford


  At 11:36 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi Gang,
>
>Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm
trying
>to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
>there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
>Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the offline
>editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should
hit
><setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In
the
>Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...
>
>I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check
the
>software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the
off
>line editor to emulate the board I have.
>
>So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I want
it
>to be?
>Is there another package I can use?
>Moving lights tips anyone?
>
>
>Thanks
>Jerry

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061020120131.031a77d0 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:04:30 -0400
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
In-Reply-To: <list-36754921 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36754921 [at] prxy.net>

I may have an older version.
Or maybe, you do??
On mine, the Options menu is right next to the file menu.

I have asked my students to download the file at ETC's website.  They 
appear to have the Options menu.
Try a new download.

-F

At 11:56 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Oh good grief!  I just went up and found that very thing... <15> not
><1><5>...  That's what I get for R'ing TFM on not enough sleep.
>
>Thanks Ford!
>
>I'm not finding the options menu though.  In the Expression Off-line
>window  I see File, Convert, Window, and Help, but no Options...
>
>Jerry
>
>
> >>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/20/2006 11:50 AM >>>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi there,
>
>Under "Options" in the "Expression Off-Line - untitled.shw" window
>(behind the emulator) select "Console Type".  Then go to "Setup"
>"15", this is "Moving Light Functions".  you should be able to Patch
>your fixtures from this page.
>
>-Ford
>
>
>   At 11:36 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
> >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Hi Gang,
> >
> >Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm
>trying
> >to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
> >there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
> >Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the offline
> >editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should
>hit
> ><setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In
>the
> >Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...
> >
> >I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check
>the
> >software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the
>off
> >line editor to emulate the board I have.
> >
> >So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I want
>it
> >to be?
> >Is there another package I can use?
> >Moving lights tips anyone?
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >Jerry
>
>************************
>Ford H Sellers
>Master Electrician
>Cornell University
>Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
>430 College Avenue
>Ithaca NY, 14850
>(607) 254-2736  office
>(607) 254-2733  fax

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Message-Id: <s538bfdd.005 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:23:50 -0400
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help

Thanks again Ford...

I called ETC.  If you follow their page through to the Express
Downloads section, it *is* the older version (2.0.0) up on their site
right now. You have to do a search to find the latest version...  

As moving lights weren't added until 3.1, that explains a bit, doesn't
it?

More questions anon, I'm sure!

Cheers,
Jerry

>>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/20/2006 12:04 PM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I may have an older version.
Or maybe, you do??
On mine, the Options menu is right next to the file menu.

I have asked my students to download the file at ETC's website.  They 
appear to have the Options menu.
Try a new download.

-F

At 11:56 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Oh good grief!  I just went up and found that very thing... <15> not
><1><5>...  That's what I get for R'ing TFM on not enough sleep.
>
>Thanks Ford!
>
>I'm not finding the options menu though.  In the Expression Off-line
>window  I see File, Convert, Window, and Help, but no Options...
>
>Jerry
>
>
> >>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/20/2006 11:50 AM >>>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi there,
>
>Under "Options" in the "Expression Off-Line - untitled.shw" window
>(behind the emulator) select "Console Type".  Then go to "Setup"
>"15", this is "Moving Light Functions".  you should be able to Patch
>your fixtures from this page.
>
>-Ford
>
>
>   At 11:36 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
> >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
><http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Hi Gang,
> >
> >Learning a new console.  Switching from Colortran to ETC.   I'm
>trying
> >to figure out how to set up moving lights on an Express 125.  Since
> >there's a show on the boards right now, I'm trying to play with
> >Expression off-Line.  The problem is that that manual anf the
offline
> >editor don't jibe.  For example, according to the manual, I should
>hit
> ><setup> <1> <5> <enter> to get into the moving light funtions.  In
>the
> >Offline version, that leads me to the default fader clear time...
> >
> >I'm headed up to see what that leads to on the board (and to check
>the
> >software version as well), but I'd still like to be able to use the
>off
> >line editor to emulate the board I have.
> >
> >So...  Is there a way to tell expression off-line which board I
want
>it
> >to be?
> >Is there another package I can use?
> >Moving lights tips anyone?
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >Jerry
>
>************************
>Ford H Sellers
>Master Electrician
>Cornell University
>Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
>430 College Avenue
>Ithaca NY, 14850
>(607) 254-2736  office
>(607) 254-2733  fax

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



------------------------------

Subject: RE: Props query
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:55:40 -0400
Message-ID: <443B81247BCF8344A0ECC0B37B4CDA430BE33C [at] iu-mssg-mbx109.ads.iu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-36754768 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Meixner, Rebekkah Jean" <rmeixner [at] ius.edu>

Depending on the style that you are looking for Archie McPhee sell a
costume Russian one for around $15.00. Here the link for it.
http://www.mcphee.com/items/M6138.html

Rebekkah J. Meixner
Assistant Professor of Theatre;=20
Design and Technology
Interim Theatre Coordinator
Indiana University Southeast
4201 Grant Line Road
New Albany, Indiana 47150
812-941-2653
-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiner
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Props query

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Our current production's prop tart is having a bit of a problem locating
a couple of items, so I figured I'd ask regarding the most difficult one
to construct from scratch...

Anyone out there have a WWII-era gas mask I can borrow/rent for a couple
of weeks?

------------------------------

Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061020125438.019f5360 [at] uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:01:13 -0400
From: Scott Spidell <sspidell [at] uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre
Cc: psyd [at] cox.net
In-Reply-To: <list-36738963 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36738963 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:01 AM 10/20/2006, Chris wrote:
> >legislation does not need to remove your "right" to have access to
> >firearms if you can prove your need. It would be great if you Yanks
> >would just grow up and realize less guns means less deaths by guns.
>
>Ther is no proof to that statement.

Chris and Phil Johnson,
I must apologize for that last statement - it was bait.

> >As far as
> >handgun owners in Canada, there might be a couple of thousand hand
> >gun licences issued in Canada that don't belong to military, police
> >or security.
>
>Bill's numbers are far closer to the accurate ones. The RCMP's 'Canadian
>Firarms Centre' reports individual licenses to own a firearm at 6,249,577
>asof June of this year.  This represents 1.6 million license holders, some,
>ovbviously with more weapons than others.  There are almost six thousand
>licenses issued to Canada's minors.  Canada's estimated population at the
>time of this writing is 32,660,229.

Chris,
I did call the Canadian Firearms Centre before writing this post - I 
too like real numbers. You just need to subtract the LONG guns from 
those numbers to get mine which was in response to Bill's estimated 
HAND gun numbers.

Gun-toting Scott 


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:06:20 -0400
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <153596524.20061020130620 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re: Cloth repair
In-Reply-To: <list-36728109 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36728109 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Friday, October 20, 2006, David Islas wrote:

> What would be the best way to fix a tear in cloth about 6-8 inches
> long?

It depends primarily upon the kind of fabric being repaired but, since
this is a STAGECRAFT list and not some ranting about gun possession
<VBG> I'll assume Mr. Islas is needing to repair a stage curtain.

The easiest fabric to repair is velour, because the repairing threads
can smush down amid the pile and disappear nicely.  Obviously, one
must figure out how to take the weight of the curtain off the tear, so
if the damage is near the floor I usually set up a table and drape the
fabric over it.  If the damage is much higher you'll need to take the
curtain down and THEN drape it over the table.  I have a piece of
Formica that I put over the table if needed, so the needles won't poke
into the tabletop.  You also need a lot of light (Well, I do at least)
but fortunately there is usually a lot of light available on a stage.

Working on the back side of the fabric, I bring the raw edges together
and study how the jagged edges should fit, and then do a little
surgery on the wound to clean it up to avoid having a lot of loose
yarn hanging out after the suturing.

I sew the fabric together using what my Mother called a "baseball"
stitch because it is a single thread that can bring the edges together
nicely and provide good control over the tension to avoid sagging or
bunching of the finishd repair.

Since most tears in stage curtains are shaped like the letter "L" I
use a seperate needle on each end of the damage and work toward the
intersection which helps avoid misalignment.

Finally, I buy SOBO fabric glue at Wal-Mart and dab the suture with
the stuff to keep all the little threads and yarn ends orderly.  If it
is a significant horizontal tear, let the glue dry before permitting
the weight of the curtain to try to pull the repair apart.  After
hanging the curtain, look at the front side of the fabric and snip any
wild threads and brush away the crumbs.

If your show is at all intersting, your audience will nevr notice the
curtain was repaired!

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   



------------------------------

From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" <jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu>
Subject: RE: Black-and-white or sepia photo effect
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:10:19 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c6f46a$9ede3030$1a0f150a [at] spc.ad.root>
In-Reply-To: <list-36637216 [at] prxy.net>

I once saw a picture from one of their shows. At a glance it is quite
believable, but if you are paying attention you can see the color of the
actors' eyes... very cool. Regrettably I have not seen a show live. 

Justin Bennett
Technical Director / Theatre Manager
St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center
jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu
(210) 531-4706 Office
(210) 531-4768 Fax
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Laura
McMeley

The Pegasus theatre (http://www.pegasustheatre.org/) in Dallas, TX has a
tradition of black and white productions. 



------------------------------

Subject: RE: 1KAF Fresnels
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:17:47 -0400
Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F7526C49 [at] stage.OTC.local>
In-Reply-To: <list-36754830 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Dirk Van Pernis" <DVanpernis [at] olneytheatre.org>

I get roughly 2 years on a socket and I always replace the lamp when I
replace the socket.


Dirk Van Pernis - OTC ME
=20


---------------------------------------------------

About a year ago I started to have MPF Sockets burn out in my Fresnels I
didn't think much of it because burnt sockets are normal.  However in
the last 10 months I have replaced 9 of these with the last 4 being in
the last 3 weeks!  The lights are in the 4-5 year old range.  Is this
just the life span of an MPF socket or could there be another problem?
Heat, burn position (straight down 98% of the time), cheap sockets,
cheap lamps (I use GE BTR lamps), other? =20

Thanks in advance.

Ken Zinkl
Auditorium Manager
Fort Zumwalt South High School
St. Peters, MO

------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36754107 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <874613A0-AD27-40D5-88BC-C4762C3FA23A [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:37:03 -0400

Hey Jerry,

	Trying to set up moving lights on a 125?  Good God, man you're just  
a glutton for punishment, aren't ya. :-) Here's a few things you're  
going to run into.

Make sure the 125 has the updated software.  You need to be running  
the one with the Expression extentions.  I think you already ran into  
that with not finding moving light functions in the setup menu.

Next you'll have to download the personality from ETC for the fixture  
you are using.    ETC also has a personality editor for making  
adjustments and stuff or writing your own personality.

Once all that is in order, you should be good to go.  To do moving  
lights well, you should learn how to track, save and recall groups  
and use the "only" button.  Also, I find it helps to create a  
spreadsheet that has the channel and percent numbers for what gobos,  
colors, strobe, etc.  This pre-planning will make programming a hell  
of a lot easier.  It sucks really hard not having encoder wheels, but  
it's not the end of the world.  Also, the track pad on the right has  
a course and fine button for movement.  This helps keep the skin on  
your finger during lots of movement.  Those of you who have has to do  
this understand that.. :-)

Oh, also, some fixtures will act a little weird with the ETC  
personalities.  The limits are sometimes a little off which will  
throw them for a loop.  Also, keep track of your lamp strike channel  
in the board.  If there is a strike over-ride, you could hit it  
unintentionally and your lamp will go out until you turn it back on.   
That caught me by surprise on an old T-beam.  So, good luck and hope  
it works out for you.


Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA				Phone: (860) 560-0771 	
Theaterworks, Hartford	e-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net





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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bfd.786a427.326a63af [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:38:55 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance

In a message dated 20/10/06 00:00:45 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes:

> Hammer-forging rifled barrels is oooolllld technology that it still in use 
> today. The steel is forged around a heated mandrel with raised spiral 
ridges, 
> forming the recessed rifling inside the barrel. Once the barrel seam was 
> welded shut, the mandrel was cooled, which shrunk it enough to allow it to 
be 
> withdrawn from the rifled barrel.
>  
>  Really, Frank; they've been buildig rifles for a long, long time. Well 
> before "modern machine tools" were created.

There is more to a rifle than the barrel. The lock mechanism is quite tricky. 
In 1811, the British government had some 200,000 musket barrels which were 
useless because of a shortage of craftsmen to repair the locks. The first 
percussion-lock rifle, the 'Harper's Ferry', was made in about 1842, in Eli 
Whitney's plant at New Haven, Connecticut. This was founded in 1798, to make muskets.

As for modern machine tools, apart from the primal tools of the lathe and the 
drilling machine, many if not most of them were developed for the arms 
industry. The milling machine came along in 1861, in the form that we know it. More 
primitive machines were in Whitney's plant in 1820. They lacked vertical 
adjustment.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <454.7ec9802.326a6570 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:46:24 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre

In a message dated 20/10/06 00:12:21 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes:

> > The manufacturer intended it to be used to KILL people. A handgun has no 
>  > other purpose. Target practice allows you to do it better.
>  
>  
>  Excuse me? As a target shooter of some years, as well as a trained range 
> safety officer, I believe I'll take that as a personal insult.

I am sorry if I have offended you. Target shooting can be a rewarding 
activity, and I have done some myself, with military arms. But this does not disguise 
the principal and designed purpose of all firearms, which is to KILL. 


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <9cbafac70610201051ic7078e8j8ad7c99d8427940f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:51:56 -0700
From: "Phil Blackwood" <phillip.blackwood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Push sticks
In-Reply-To: <list-36703690 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36703690 [at] prxy.net>

Hey, Mark.
I always like the 'bunny grabbit' design. Kind of shaped like an old
fashioned iron. It has a 'heel' and the handle keeps your hand safely
above the blade. I stay away from the 'push fish' pushsticks. They let
your hand dip down too close to the blade if you're not careful (or
are inexperienced).
Plus, you can draw funny designs on the side of the bunny grabbit,
like floppy ears and a face.
It should be noted that these are good in a college shop to have lab
students make for bandsaw practice.
I'll go measure one from our tablesaw and draw it for you.

-- 
Phillip Blackwood
Technical Director
School of Theater Arts
University of Arizona
(520)621-1104

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Subject: RE: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:58:22 -0500
Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA8B7 [at] danube.river.idm.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-36758400 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>

Having done this myself, I have a few other things that helped me:

- I set up macros to load pages of submasters, such that hitting 'macro
2' put most of the key functions of the moving light on subs 1-12.  That
was easier than messing w/the trackpad most times.

- I set up more macros to 'park' dimmer channels directly, and used
those for the startup / shutdown command strings for all the movers.  I
did have to write my own personality (not hard - just edit an existing
one w/the personality editor, if I recall) to pull the control channels
out of the default personality.  That way the personality worked, but
the control channels never got patched - I just manipulated them
directly w/the park dimmer commands.

- ditto Michael's comments on groups, tracking, only, etc.  Learn to use
the 'update' function as well; set all those up before you get started.

I had wanted to use focus pts as well, but never had the time to figure
those out on the Express.  Must've been doing something wrong I
suppose...  but I worked around it.  It was theatre, and focus pts
weren't all that critical anyway (nearly every cue had lights hitting
different locations).

- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
---------------------------
http://www.stagelights.info=20



>Make sure the 125 has the updated software.  You need to be running =20
>the one with the Expression extentions.  I think you already ran into =20
>that with not finding moving light functions in the setup menu.
>
>Next you'll have to download the personality from ETC for the fixture =20
>you are using.    ETC also has a personality editor for making =20
>adjustments and stuff or writing your own personality.
>
>Once all that is in order, you should be good to go.  To do moving =20
>lights well, you should learn how to track, save and recall groups =20
>and use the "only" button.  Also, I find it helps to create a =20
>spreadsheet that has the channel and percent numbers for what gobos, =20
>colors, strobe, etc.  This pre-planning will make programming a hell =20
>of a lot easier.  It sucks really hard not having encoder wheels, but =20
>it's not the end of the world.  Also, the track pad on the right has =20
>a course and fine button for movement.  This helps keep the skin on =20
>your finger during lots of movement.  Those of you who have has to do =20
>this understand that.. :-)


------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c42.620dd5d.326a6957 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:03:03 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance

In a message dated 20/10/06 03:00:34 GMT Daylight Time, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net 
writes:

> Frank, I saw a movie the other day that proved to me that chainsaws are 
>  really only for dismembering people.  Sure some people do cut up trees 
>  with them, but they are really only practicing to chop up humans, right?
>  
>  On May 14, 1988 twenty-seven people were murdered in the vicinity of 
>  Carrollton Kentucky.  The killer was named Larry Mahoney.  No effort was 
>  ever made to ban or restrict access to his chosen weapon.
>  
>  Mahoney killed 27 people and severly injured 34 when he crashed his 
>  pickup truck into a church bus while driving the wrong way on an 
>  interstate highway with a blood alcohol limit 2.5 times the state limit 
>  at the time.

Try not to be more stupid than God made you. Many tools can be misused, with 
fatal consequences. A chainsaw is designed for cutting pieces off trees, a 
pickup for carrying a lot of gear. In the cases you quote, both were being 
misused. Guns are different. their designed use is for killing. No more, and no 
less. Target shooting may allow you to be more discriminating, and allow you to 
shoot to disable, rather than to kill.


Frank Wood

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:06:35 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: a political stance
In-reply-to: <list-36735128 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061020110207.01f58308 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-36696479 [at] prxy.net> <list-36697222 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-36735128 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:16 AM 10/20/2006, Dorian Kelly wrote:

>>Specialist tools?  My wife and fellow shop workers built a rifle 
>>when she was doing smithing work (wrought iron), they used what 
>>they had available and built the rest.
>   Did it pass proofing tests?
>
>DK

I assume so, they weren't dumb (well, there was the cherry bomb in 
the quench tank...).  Since then they've built their own cars from 
scratch and got into racing.  My wife left the company long ago to 
work in electronics (traded a forge for a trackball).

For anyone in the San Jose area, her father did the ironwork over San 
Pedro Square and also New Town in Los Gatos.  His studio was at the 
old mill.  My wife mainly did private stuff (people who you don't ask 
where they got all that spare cash) but also did the old topiary at New Town.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <cd8.b306c0.326a6ba1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:12:49 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance

In a message dated 20/10/06 08:03:45 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes:

> Back when the US was founded, every able bodied male of means WAS expected
>  to have a rifle and be proficient in its use.

As I remember the dates, that would have been a musket.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bff.779bc36.326a6c21 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:14:57 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre

In a message dated 20/10/06 08:15:20 GMT Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes:

> >  Please tell me how to use a handgun safely.
>  
>  Take a class. They are available in most cities, often associated with the
>  local Community College.

Imprecise post: I'm sorry. Add to it, "what for?".


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: 1KAF Fresnels
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:30:41 -0400
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B02B7A8E3 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-36757856 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

I get the "1K" part of "1KAF" but before I make a fool of myself, should
I recognize the "AF" as meaning a particular brand or style? But,
assuming we are talking about relatively standard , everyday 6" fresnels
(which I assume since a BTR fits a medium pre-focus socket, and all the
fresnels I have so equipped are 6"):

 Personally, all the fresnels I have lamped at 1K are 8" instruments
with mogul bases (the other MPF)- which I replace once in a decade, if
that.  Unless "AF" means something special, I would suggest that the
problem is the instruments are overheating.  I know the manufacturers
tell you that a 1K lamp will work in a 6" fresnel, but I have always
found the life of the lamps- and other parts- to be very short.  I run
my 8" with 500 hour, 3050 BVT and have virtually no problems.  I would
recommend that you either go to 8" instruments, or cut back to 750 watt
lamps, unless you are paid by the hour or the lumen.

Tom D.


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Dirk
Van Pernis
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: 1KAF Fresnels

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I get roughly 2 years on a socket and I always replace the lamp when I
replace the socket.


Dirk Van Pernis - OTC ME
=20


---------------------------------------------------

About a year ago I started to have MPF Sockets burn out in my Fresnels I
didn't think much of it because burnt sockets are normal.  However in
the last 10 months I have replaced 9 of these with the last 4 being in
the last 3 weeks!  The lights are in the 4-5 year old range.  Is this
just the life span of an MPF socket or could there be another problem?
Heat, burn position (straight down 98% of the time), cheap sockets,
cheap lamps (I use GE BTR lamps), other? =20

Thanks in advance.

Ken Zinkl
Auditorium Manager
Fort Zumwalt South High School
St. Peters, MO

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Blind students working in shop
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:35:10 -0600
Message-ID: <018401c6f476$79ebe9a0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-36752743 [at] prxy.net>

I am so pleased to hear about this blind student. I have spent many, many
years working with programs and teaching disabled individuals and pressing
the theater industry to allow them, at all levels, to participate in
theater. It has been an uphill battle.
Randy Earle at San Jose State pursued this as well, as I remember. Keep it
up. 
I do recall my students who were deaf also worked in theater for me and it
was wonderful to have them.

Dr. doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ford
Sellers
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:08 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Blind students working in shop

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

That is a great point.  In fact, your current student may be able to 
help us all by sharing their perspective.

At 11:02 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
>It might be interesting to see if the visually impaired person who was
>already working in the shop might be willing/able to help determine
>some things that the other student would be able to do, given his/her
>particular limitations.  His perspective might allow him to think of
>things to do that you or the other visually impaired student wouldn't
>necessarily think of.
>
>Kurt

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



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Subject: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:43:04 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A068762BB [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Well, I tried calling Lycian, but their tech guy who'd know the answer
to this question is at LDI.

So, I'll just throw this out here and see what happens.

Can you put a model 1206 Midget (FEL lamp) on a dimmable circuit without
frying the fan motor?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:47 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: a political stance
In-reply-to: <list-36741924 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061020114520.01f08af0 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-36697688 [at] prxy.net> <list-36741924 [at] prxy.net>

At 04:03 AM 10/20/2006, Bill Nelson wrote:

>Find a copy of the law that our President signed about a week ago.


And don't forget to find his signing statement where he rewrites 
every law before signing it.



-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061020113431.012a9420 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:34:31
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: a political stance

> I can't 
>remember where he was on guns, tho.

]He was in favor of it.  I sent you a quote of his that may very well have
been the seeds of the 2nd amendment.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061020113843.012a9420 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:43
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: a political stance - theatre

>Only if you are after big game...like, oh say, rhinos...

Having a few problems with individual cast memeber, are we?  I'm so glad
I'd finished the cappucino by the time I got to this...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061020114730.012a9420 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:47:30
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)

>> This info is readily available from th anti-gun activist,
>> Michael Moore.  He wouldn't bring it up if it weren't true.
>Now that's *funny!*

Meaning that, being an anti-gun activist, he wouldn't reveal any facts that
wouldn't support his position if he could disprove it.  Not that anything
MM says must be a fact.


>I've already spent a September in Tempe, five years ago. It's not an
experience I look forward to repeating.

Ehm, Dave, (I almost called you Davey again, and then I remembered!) Tempe
really isn't Arizona.  It's really just Phoenix light, which is just LA
light (LA without all those nasty cultural advantages...).  
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <20061020192009.46019.qmail [at] web82809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: <kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 1KAF Fresnels
In-Reply-To: <list-36760274 [at] prxy.net>

The 1KAF is an Altman 6" Fresnel.  A little bigger
than the 65Q that you see all the time and comes in
two styles.  One with an MPF socket and one with a
medium bi-post socket. 


--- "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I get the "1K" part of "1KAF" but before I make a
> fool of myself, should
> I recognize the "AF" as meaning a particular brand
> or style? 


Ken Zinkl
Auditorium Manager
Fort Zumwalt South High School
636-281-0732


------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-36760743 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36760743 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <F65DDB52-5DD5-4337-9ECF-CD57117495B4 [at] comcast.net>
From: Michael de Almeida <humhead [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:24:01 -0400

Hello,

	I would be more worried about frying the dimmer.  Logically it  
should work, but I wouldn't push the envelope.  The thing I've seen  
in the past is wiring 2 separate circuits in the spotlight.  One  
constant power for the fan and one for the lamp.  The fan can either  
be on all the time, or you can use a DMX relay/dimmer set to non-dim  
to control it.  Just make SURE that the fan is on when the lamp is on  
and a few minutes afterward.  You wouldn't want a meltdown.  Good luck.

Oh, Please let me know what the Lycian Tech says about the motor.   
I've had a few requests in the past about this, just never wanted to  
try it on my own system. :-)


Mike de Almeida
ATD/ME/MA				Phone: (860) 560-0771 	
Theaterworks, Hartford	e-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net





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Message-ID: <013101c6f480$1315b9e0$0300a8c0 [at] carl>
Reply-To: "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
From: "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
References: <list-36760743 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:43:53 -0400

split out the fan circuit from the lamp and run the lamp on the dimmer and
the fan on a non-dim.
I've been doing that with Strong Trouperette IIIs for years.

You do have to be careful to avoid running the lamp w/o the fan.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Lycian Midget 1206 question


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Well, I tried calling Lycian, but their tech guy who'd know the answer
to this question is at LDI.

So, I'll just throw this out here and see what happens.

Can you put a model 1206 Midget (FEL lamp) on a dimmable circuit without
frying the fan motor?



------------------------------

Message-Id: <p06230900c15ee2372008 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-36759377 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-36759377 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0400
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: a political stance

At 2:03 PM -0400 10/20/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

>Target shooting may allow you to be more discriminating, and allow you to
>shoot to disable, rather than to kill.


I can't vouch for Stuart, but once again I take umbrage to being 
all-but-labeled a murderer by you, Frank.  As I understand your 
addle-pated ramblings, since we are target shooters, as are numerous 
other Listers, in your mind we're obviously honing our skills to use 
on humans.

Welcome back to my kill-file, you stupid git, and may you rot there.

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Subject: RE: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:56:02 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A068763B9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-36763111 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com (Carleton Underwood)

> split out the fan circuit from the lamp and run the lamp on=20
> the dimmer and the fan on a non-dim.
> I've been doing that with Strong Trouperette IIIs for years.

That's what I've been saying we'd need to do...I'm actually asking the
question on behalf of someone else who really wants it to be the other
answer.

> You do have to be careful to avoid running the lamp w/o the fan.

Awwwww...that takes all the fun outta it.

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <d8.3fcac597.326aa299 [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:07:21 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance

In a message dated 20/10/06 19:08:59 GMT Daylight Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> >>Specialist tools?  My wife and fellow shop workers built a rifle 
>  >>when she was doing smithing work (wrought iron), they used what 
>  >>they had available and built the rest.

As did most of the pioneers in arms production, but with one big difference. 
About 150 years of machine tool development. Nowadays, we know what can be 
done: then, they didn't. 

And, they built ONE rifle. With the right tools and facilities, of the 
period, I think that I could manage that. It's when you want some hundreds, all with 
interchangeable parts,that you have a problem
>  
>  I assume so, they weren't dumb (well, there was the cherry bomb in 
>  the quench tank...).  Since then they've built their own cars from 
>  scratch and got into racing.  My wife left the company long ago to 
>  work in electronics (traded a forge for a trackball).

I used to reckon that the basic tool in electronics was a soldering iron, 
rather than a trackball. And I have spent many years in the trade.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c87.b8126a.326aa53b [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:18:35 EDT
Subject: Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)

In a message dated 20/10/06 20:19:08 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes:

> >> This info is readily available from th anti-gun activist,
>  >> Michael Moore.  He wouldn't bring it up if it weren't true.
>  >Now that's *funny!*
>  
>  Meaning that, being an anti-gun activist, he wouldn't reveal any facts that
>  wouldn't support his position if he could disprove it.  Not that anything
>  MM says must be a fact.

 And neither would any pro-gun activist

As a UK resident, I am neutral in your faction fights. US gun laws seem to me 
to be too liberal: UK ones too restrictive. Neither seems to have any effect 
on gun cfime.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c7f.34aae2.326aa9af [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:37:35 EDT
Subject: Re: a political stance

In a message dated 20/10/06 21:34:55 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes:

> I can't vouch for Stuart, but once again I take umbrage to being 
>  all-but-labeled a murderer by you, Frank.

I did not, have not, and will not say that. What I have said, and will 
maintain, is that you, and all others who carry firearms, are pontential killers. 

  As I understand your 
>  addle-pated ramblings, since we are target shooters, as are numerous 
>  other Listers, in your mind we're obviously honing our skills to use 
>  on humans.

Ignoring the abuse, you are honing your skills.That's fine. I have done the 
same with military rifles. Perhaps you can get so slklful that you can shoot 
someone's arm off, rather than kill him. But, in a life-or-death situation, I 
know my choice.


Frank Wood

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From: "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
References: <list-36765974 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:00:56 -0400

Well,
I've been doing this for 20+ years and in all that time, have had to relamp
ONCE. [yes, they are FELs]
Now, we only do 6 shows a year of which only 2-3 require follow spots but it
gives us some options that the "HEY, I'M A SPOT and I'm BRIGHT" running
doesn't - i.e. you can use a FS as a sort of a moving special, providing
fill and accent....

Just a thought.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Cc: "Carleton Underwood" <cunderwo [at] columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question


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> split out the fan circuit from the lamp and run the lamp on
> the dimmer and the fan on a non-dim.
> I've been doing that with Strong Trouperette IIIs for years.

That's what I've been saying we'd need to do...I'm actually asking the
question on behalf of someone else who really wants it to be the other
answer.

> You do have to be careful to avoid running the lamp w/o the fan.

Awwwww...that takes all the fun outta it.



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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:09:42 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: a political stance
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At 03:07 PM 10/20/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
>I used to reckon that the basic tool in electronics was a soldering iron,
>rather than a trackball. And I have spent many years in the trade.

Someone has to design this stuff!  She runs the CAD system, I do stuff like:

-- counter
process(reset, trig_in) begin
     if(reset = '1') then    -- handle reset
         count <= "0000000000";  -- clear counter
         count_trig <= '0';  -- clear trigger
     else
         if(trig_in'event and (trig_in = '1')) then    -- count on rising edge
             if(count = '1') then    -- see if it's time to fire
                 count_trig <= '1';  -- fire output
                 count <= latch(9 downto 0); -- reload count
             else    -- not terminal count, keep going
                 count_trig <= '0';  -- remove trigger
                 count <= count - 1; -- decrement counter
             end if;
         else    -- no edge
             count_trig <= count_trig;   -- hold
             count <= count; -- hold
         end if;
     end if;
end process;


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219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:00 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)
References: <list-36761935 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-36761935 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
Tempe
> really isn't Arizona.  It's really just Phoenix light, which is just LA
> light (LA without all those nasty cultural advantages...).  

> 
I have lived in Tempe for the past 13 years and I agree with you. 
Although the area around downtown and ASU can get interesting.
Chip

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:02:12 -0400
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)

At 4:25 PM -0700 10/20/06, Chip Wood wrote:

>>  Tempe really isn't Arizona.  It's really just Phoenix light, which
>>  is just LA light (LA without all those nasty cultural advantages...).
>
>  I have lived in Tempe for the past 13 years and I agree with you.
>  Although the area around downtown and ASU can get interesting.


Two weeks at the Gammage in September '01 was enough for me...
90+ degrees at 11pm when the show gets out is just *wrong*.

(although I will stipulate that the motorcycle ride from Phoenix to 
Sonoma through the Tonto Ntn'l Forest was almost worth baking my 
brains out in the helmet for.   Almost.)

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:06:05 -0400
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: MON AZ (was: Re: Re: a political stance - theatre)

At 8:02 PM -0400 10/20/06, Rigger wrote:

>...the motorcycle ride from Phoenix to Sonoma...


Sedona.
By way of Wickenburg and Prescott, BTW.

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV96E54BD0B50658CE4B247BD020 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-36760743 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:14:20 -0700

Speaking of LDI this should be the last year for the Stardust sign as the 
Stardust closes 11-1 at 1:30pm to make room for a new mega resort. It was 
and still a very pretty sign...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
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Well, I tried calling Lycian, but their tech guy who'd know the answer
to this question is at LDI.

So, I'll just throw this out here and see what happens.

Can you put a model 1206 Midget (FEL lamp) on a dimmable circuit without
frying the fan motor? 


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Message-ID: <45399195.8030505 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:18:45 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: a political stance
References: <list-36759377 [at] prxy.net> <list-36765219 [at] prxy.net>
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Rigger wrote:

> At 2:03 PM -0400 10/20/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Target shooting may allow you to be more discriminating, and allow you to
>> shoot to disable, rather than to kill.
> 

How does one disable a 10" x 12" sheet of paper?  All I want to do is to 
put holes in it.  Preferably as close to the middle as possible.  When 
my equipment is working well, and my nerves are steady, and I breathe 
properly, sometimes I do pretty well.

> 
> I can't vouch for Stuart, but once again I take umbrage to being 
> all-but-labeled a murderer by you, Frank.  

Don't let him worry you Dave, he's just sitting at his computer with his 
digital camera waiting for his chance to become a child pornographer.

> As I understand your 
> addle-pated ramblings, since we are target shooters, as are numerous 
> other Listers, in your mind we're obviously honing our skills to use on 
> humans.

The mention of numerous other Listers who enjoy target shooting leads me 
to this question.  Would there be enough Listers that would be 
interested in fielding a Stagecraft list team at Camp Perry next year? 
I believe it takes 4, I am not that good, but I'd do it for the fun of 
it.  Dave, can you get free of your official duties to shoot in a match? 
  Chris? Frank M.? Kristi? Anybody else.

We could get shirts that said "I'm the NEA" on them. ;-)

Stuart

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: 1KAF Fresnels
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> About a year ago I started to have MPF Sockets burn out in my Fresnels I
> didn't think much of it because burnt sockets are normal.  However in
> the last 10 months I have replaced 9 of these with the last 4 being in
> the last 3 weeks!  The lights are in the 4-5 year old range.  Is this
> just the life span of an MPF socket or could there be another problem?
> Heat, burn position (straight down 98% of the time), cheap sockets,
> cheap lamps (I use GE BTR lamps), other?

We have a dozen of the older version of the 1KAF-MPF in one venue where I
work. All are aimed straight down. I don't recall ever having a burnt
socket in 10 years of usage. These are often operated at full intensity.

We do get a large number of cracked lenses - which is a known problem for
the old style mount (where the lens is mounted inside the instrument).
There is a modification that places the lens external to the mounting
flange, which is supposed to have cured the problem.

Bill


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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: a political stance
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

>> Back when the US was founded, every able bodied male of means WAS
>> expected  to have a rifle and be proficient in its use.
>
> As I remember the dates, that would have been a musket.

Both were available. The British used the "Brown Bess musket", a
smoothbore - which gave a big advantage to the colonists who were using
the Pennsylvania rifle.

There were even a number of breech loaders. The Ferguson Rifle being the
best of them. The British military refused to adapt the arm, even though
it was vastly superior to the muzzle loader. The only ones used in the
American Revolution were carried by the troups Ferguson commanded.

Bill


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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: a political stance
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:38:45 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPKEIHENAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
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/rant on

Right, guys - this is getting TOO nasty!
Much as I disagree with apportion of Frank W's posts, I thing you're going
WAY too far on a WAY too off-topic topic.

The single point that I agree with Frank on is that the sole purpose of the
creation of the firearm is as a weapon. When they were first conceived
hundreds of years back guns were NOT made for target practice alone - they
were made so that their users could KILL. Frank is 100% correct on that
score. Whether to kill people or animals matters not.

The fact that today's responsible gun owners us them in other ways is maybe
laudable, but irrelevant to that point.
I do not feel that FW has in any way suggested that responsible gun owners
are in any way murderers, and certainly hasn't said so in print here. BUT I
would agree that with so many of you determined that your sidearms be
available as a WSD (weapon of self-defence), then honing your accuracy on
the target field can quite easily be construed as being able to be more
choosy about where you shoot someone else should the need arise.

Whatever else has been said however, there is absolutely NO call for your
last comment Stuart, and I for one feel that you guys owe Frank a sincere
apology.

This thread has gone on FAR too long in the wrong direction and should be
halted forthwith because too many people are flying off the wrong
precipice!!

/rant off

> > At 2:03 PM -0400 10/20/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Target shooting may allow you to be more discriminating, and
> allow you to
> >> shoot to disable, rather than to kill.
> >
>
> How does one disable a 10" x 12" sheet of paper?  All I want to do is to
> put holes in it.  Preferably as close to the middle as possible.  When
> my equipment is working well, and my nerves are steady, and I breathe
> properly, sometimes I do pretty well.
>
> >
> > I can't vouch for Stuart, but once again I take umbrage to being
> > all-but-labeled a murderer by you, Frank.
>
> Don't let him worry you Dave, he's just sitting at his computer with his
> digital camera waiting for his chance to become a child pornographer.
>
> > As I understand your
> > addle-pated ramblings, since we are target shooters, as are numerous
> > other Listers, in your mind we're obviously honing our skills to use on
> > humans.
>




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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:51:13 -0400
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: a political stance

At 9:38 AM +0100 10/21/06, Tony Deeming wrote:

>Whatever else has been said however, there is absolutely NO call for your
>last comment Stuart, and I for one feel that you guys owe Frank a sincere
>apology.


That wasn't Stuart's comment, it was mine.
And Frank will get an apology from me when hell freezes over.

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:54:13 -0400
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: a political stance

At 11:18 PM -0400 10/20/06, Stuart Wheaton wrote:

>The mention of numerous other Listers who enjoy target shooting
>leads me to this question.  Would there be enough Listers that
>would be interested in fielding a Stagecraft list team at Camp
>Perry next year? I believe it takes 4, I am not that good, but
>I'd do it for the fun of it.  Dave, can you get free of your
>official duties to shoot in a match?  Chris? Frank M.? Kristi?
>Anybody else.


It takes four to register a team at Perry, yes. Last year they 
"promoted" me from Line Officer to Block Officer, so I'm not sure I 
could get away to shoot.  Sounds like a fun idea, though.

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: a political stance
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:35:12 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPIEIIENAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-36785051 [at] prxy.net>

No, Dave - the comment I referred to was Stuart's.
And I maintain that this thread has in this branch gone beyond childishness
in the extreme and is not deserving of the usual high quality discussion we
are used to on Stagecraft.

TD

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Rigger
> Sent: 21 October 2006 09:51
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: a political stance
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 9:38 AM +0100 10/21/06, Tony Deeming wrote:
>
> >Whatever else has been said however, there is absolutely NO call for your
> >last comment Stuart, and I for one feel that you guys owe Frank a sincere
> >apology.
>
>
> That wasn't Stuart's comment, it was mine.
> And Frank will get an apology from me when hell freezes over.
>
> --
> Dave Vick
> 20/20 Design
> rigger [at] tds.net
>



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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061021203835.06fab9b0 [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:48:03 +1000
From: Andy Ciddor <aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au>
Subject: Re: a political stance
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At 23:16 20.10.2006, Tony Deeming wrote:
>So, NUFF SAID, OK?

May I echo Tony's sentiments of bewilderment, from the standpoint of 
Australia, a country where gunshot wounds are so rare that we have to 
send our trainee military surgeons to Washington, DC to get their 
field experience.

Andy





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