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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36836844; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:01:33 -0700 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,TJ_EMPTY_SUBJECT autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #991 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:00:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #991 1. Fog Juice by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: Push Sticks by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Off topic posts by Myself 4. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question by Greg Persinger 5. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 6. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 7. Re: Fog Juice by Clive Mitchell 8. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 9. Re: a political stance by Clive Mitchell 10. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 11. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 12. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 14. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help by Paul Marsland 16. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question by Jerry Durand 17. Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question by Bruce Purdy 18. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. Re: a political stance by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 20. dry ice fog redux by CB 21. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help by CB 22. Re: a political stance by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 23. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 24. Frank Solution (was: Re: a political stance) by CB 25. Re: MON AZ by CB 26. Re: MON AZ by CB 27. Re: MON AZ by MissWisc [at] aol.com 28. 1KAF Fresnels by "Michael Powers" 29. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 32. Re: a political stance by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 33. by "Joel Harari" 34. non pyro flashes by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 35. Re: Frank Solution (was: Re: a political stance) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 37. Re: non pyro flashes by Jerry Durand 38. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: a political stance by Jerry Durand 40. Re: 1KAF Fresnels by Steve Bailey 41. Re: a political stance by Chip Wood 42. Re: a political stance by Clive Mitchell 43. Re: Off topic posts by Herrick Goldman 44. Re: Off topic posts by Jerry Durand 45. Re: a political stance by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 46. Re: a political stance by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 47. Re: 1KAF Fresnels by "Bill Nelson" 48. Re: non pyro flashes by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <000c01c6f514$c233bf00$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Fog Juice Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:28:11 -1000 Anyone have a formula for oil based fog juice to be used in propane insect foggers? Aqua fog juice does not work. And... oh, um,, safety issues are not really an um... issue here. This effect is outdoors away from humankind and as long as the stuff isn't pure poison and the foggers don't explode, it'll be fine. The thing is I need the stuff before Monday and all the "stores" are closed until then. Laters, Paul "This is how I play that riff" fretted Tom. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001001c6f516$e7247690$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Push Sticks Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:43:32 -1000 I like this design... mostly. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?Offerings_ID=10271&TabSelect=Details&cook ietest=1 I make my own out of 1/8" x 1" aluminum. I cut a 90 degree notch in the business end... canted a bit so one "leg" of the notch is longer than the other. One modification I have made is to sharpen the end of the longer leg to a point which I can stick into the material being fed into the saw. This type of push stick gives me better control over the stock than any other type of stick I have used... so much so that I carry a set (with Koa handles) in my tool box when I go to jobs. Laters, Paul "I dropped the toothpaste," signaled Tom, crestfallen. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90610210723v3a7332cdp31a68ca09064d23e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:23:01 -0700 From: Myself Subject: Off topic posts Usually I enjoy when the subject drifts off. This time, It just started way off and should have sat there like a turd in a punchbowl. How this relates to Stagecraft is that, sadly, how I percieve other peoples' opinon has changed. Most people have stayed out of the frey, and I think that by doing so they have taken the higher road. Some comments were just plain uninformed, and some were just plain mean. So now, when (place name here) makes a comment about something stagecraft, and I recall how they reacted to this topic, I can take it with a grain of salt. Everyone has made their bed, now sleep in it. Mark-O ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 01:00:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No you can't run the fan AND lamp on a dimmer. You will burn up the fan and the dimmer. Split out the fan circuit from the lamp. Add a heavy duty, minimum 15Amp rated 110 Volt double pole single throw switch. One pole goes to the fan from the wall mains circuit. The other pole goes from the dimmer to the lamp. In this setup if the fan is not switched on the lamp won't turn on as the switch controlling the fan also breaks the dimmer circuit. This is really good to use in an amateur setting. Just remember these modifications void the UL listing and the warranty. Good luck. Greg Persinger On 10/20/06 12:43 PM, "Carleton Underwood" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > split out the fan circuit from the lamp and run the lamp on the dimmer and > the fan on a non-dim. > I've been doing that with Strong Trouperette IIIs for years. > > You do have to be careful to avoid running the lamp w/o the fan. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Schreiner" > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:43 PM > Subject: Lycian Midget 1206 question > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Well, I tried calling Lycian, but their tech guy who'd know the answer > to this question is at LDI. > > So, I'll just throw this out here and see what happens. > > Can you put a model 1206 Midget (FEL lamp) on a dimmable circuit without > frying the fan motor? > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <38f.cf58b8c.326bb044 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:17:56 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 00:11:00 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Someone has to design this stuff! She runs the CAD system, I do stuff like: > > -- counter > process(reset, trig_in) begin > if(reset = '1') then -- handle reset (snip) > end if; > end process; That's not electronics, but computer programming. Electronics is designing an amplifier, or whatever, at component level, building a prototype, testing it, modifying it if needed, and then putting it into service. By the way, what language is that written in? It's sufficiently close to Pascal that I can understand it. Sadly, my skills in this field have atrophied, as I have no reason to exercise them any more. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:25:34 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021102105.01f26008 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 10:17 AM 10/21/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >That's not electronics, but computer programming. Electronics is designing an >amplifier, or whatever, at component level, building a prototype, testing it, >modifying it if needed, and then putting it into service. >By the way, what language is that written in? It's sufficiently close to >Pascal that I can understand it. Sadly, my skills in this field have >atrophied, as >I have no reason to exercise them any more. That was VHDL, not computer programming, but actual hardware programming. That snippet is one small part of a chip for a laser controller. It happens to be a re-programmable chip, but could just as easily be custom silicon (I've done both). The laser controller does have a processor in it, but that has nothing to do with this chip aside from setting some registers and checking status. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:34 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Fog Juice References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Paul Guncheon writes >Anyone have a formula for oil based fog juice to be used in propane >insect foggers? Aqua fog juice does not work. I think the oil foggers need heat for the effect. Generic baby oil might be worth a try. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:45:17 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 04:10:40 GMT Daylight Time, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: > > I can't vouch for Stuart, but once again I take umbrage to being > > all-but-labeled a murderer by you, Frank. > > Don't let him worry you Dave, he's just sitting at his computer with his > digital camera waiting for his chance to become a child pornographer. Now it is my turn to be mightily upset. First, though, get me right. Anyone with a lethal weapon in his possession is a potential killer. Most of us do not know how we will react to a threatening set of circumstances until they arise. When they do, you may well cease to have rational reactions. In both my houses, for example, I have several big, sharp kitchen knives. These are just as lethal as a gun, so I guess I'm a potential killer, too. Child pornography is something else. Self-defence is a natural instinct: this isn't. Period. I suppose that death and castration are too drastic for just being a voyeur, But they are right for the executant, and damn the ACLU. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:51:42 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: a political stance References: In-Reply-To: In message , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes >> Someone has to design this stuff! She runs the CAD system, I do stuff like: >> >> -- counter >> process(reset, trig_in) begin >> if(reset = '1') then -- handle reset > >(snip) > >> end if; >> end process; > >That's not electronics, but computer programming. Electronics is >designing an amplifier, or whatever, at component level, building a >prototype, testing it, modifying it if needed, and then putting it into >service. Electronics these days unavoidably requires programming skills. Even the amplifier mentioned is probably going to contain a microcontroller. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:55:28 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 09:51:51 GMT Daylight Time, rigger [at] tds.net writes: > That wasn't Stuart's comment, it was mine. > And Frank will get an apology from me when hell freezes over. The climate change may even affect hell. Seriously though, I reckon you owe me one. The putative accusation you made was too vile to be forgiven. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:57:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021105126.01f1ac48 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 10:45 AM 10/21/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >Child pornography is something else. Self-defence is a natural instinct: this >isn't. Period. I suppose that death and castration are too drastic for just >being a voyeur, But they are right for the executant, and damn the ACLU. One problem with the child molesting/porn is the rules vary from place to place. Just in the USA you can marry a girl in one state who you'd be arrested for having sex with in the next. Now to get more complicated, if you did legally marry that girl and took pictures of her nude, if you showed them to someone in the state with the higher age of consent, would that be child pornography? How about nudist areas? I've seen other people's kids nude at a hot spring, is that wrong? Some Muslims consider seeing a woman's face, wrists, or ankles in public an act worthy of a beating. Would you consider that wrong? Why not? And saying "You know what I mean" doesn't cut it legally. You have to be able to define what you mean. If you castrated everyone who's seen an under age (whatever definition you use) child nude, we wouldn't have any problem with overpopulation anymore. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <536B8B15-408B-4759-8237-A43B13884F1F [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:59:22 -0400 On 21 Oct 2006, at 04:00, Greg Persinger wrote: > One pole goes to the fan from the wall mains circuit. The other > pole goes > from the dimmer to the lamp. > > In this setup if the fan is not switched on the lamp won't turn on > as the > switch controlling the fan also breaks the dimmer circuit. Whilst this is a good suggestion, it will only prevent running the lamp without the fan if the fan is actually plugged in! (Unless you plan to hard-wire it)! The best approach would be to incorporate either a relay that energises when the power is applied to the fan, or a paddle switch that closes when there is air current present from the fan. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:06:29 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021110240.01f1afc8 [at] interstellar.com> Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021105126.01f1ac48 [at] interstellar.com> To make my last comments more stage/screen related... Frank: If a movie is shot in an area where the age of consent is 18 and has 18-year old nude people in it, then is shown by some theater in an area with the age of consent is 21, are the original producers of the film at fault? Is it now pornography everywhere just because someone somewhere called it such? None of this should be taken as a defense of porn, just pointing out that before you go issuing death sentences you might want to check if the guy was even guilty of anything in his community. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9a.48da0d36.326bbbd3 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:07:15 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 18:52:13 GMT Daylight Time, bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com writes: > Electronics these days unavoidably requires programming skills. Even > the amplifier mentioned is probably going to contain a microcontroller. Why? Amplifiers are for making small analogue signals into bigger ones. The dreaded digits have not yet invaded this domain. Yes, microconrollers may be involved in the signal routing, but that's all. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061021180925.41500.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help In-Reply-To: Hey Guys, Focus points are easy to set up and a luxury to use. I used them mostly for scrollers, but for moving lights it's the same idea. Set your moving lights to gobo 1 -- record ONLY THE GOBO CHANNELS as Focus Point 1 (you can put the dimmer channels in an inhibitive sub so you can look at the gobo, sub out and record the focus point). Record the rest of your gobos as Focus Points the same way. Record the colors (either fixed wheel or mixed favorites) COLOR CHANNELS ONLY as another set of focus points. Likewise with positions, using POSITION CHANNELS ONLY. In use, you can call up Unit 1 at FP 1 (to get the gobo), at FP 31 (to get the right color), at FP 200 (to get the right position), etc. Clunky but possible. Makes you miss a Hog in pretty quick fashion. Paul > Subject: RE: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help > From: "Steven Haworth" > I had wanted to use focus pts as well, but never had > the time to figure > those out on the Express. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:10:00 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021110700.01f985a8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 10:59 AM 10/21/2006, Bruce Purdy wrote: >paddle switch that closes when there is air current present from >the fan. That's never a bad idea in any fan cooled item but an overtemp fuse is often cheaper and more reliable (fuse cuts power to lamp). Thermal fuses from NTE: http://www.nteinc.com/specs/8000to8999/pdf/TCOs.pdf -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <618923BA-AEBA-4B31-A419-750BE0AD008A [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Lycian Midget 1206 question Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:18:37 -0400 >> paddle switch that closes when there is air current present from >> the fan. > > That's never a bad idea in any fan cooled item but an overtemp fuse > is often cheaper and more reliable (fuse cuts power to lamp). > > Thermal fuses from NTE: http://www.nteinc.com/specs/8000to8999/pdf/ > TCOs.pdf True, but that would cut the lamp off after it had over-heated. My two suggestions would keep the lamp from coming on in the first place. In the case of a pre-show lamp check, the thermostat approach would give you a "False positive" and only show up as a problem when the lamp went out due to overheating during the show. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:22:14 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 18:59:12 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > One problem with the child molesting/porn is the rules vary from > place to place. Just in the USA you can marry a girl in one state > who you'd be arrested for having sex with in the next. This is a problem created by your constitution, and the vigourusly indpoendent states. > > Now to get more complicated, if you did legally marry that girl and > took pictures of her nude, if you showed them to someone in the state > with the higher age of consent, would that be child pornography? How > about nudist areas? I've seen other people's kids nude at a hot > spring, is that wrong? Not at all by me. By your laws, it may be different > > Some Muslims consider seeing a woman's face, wrists, or ankles in > public an act worthy of a beating. Would you consider that wrong? Why not? They have a book of rules. You know what they are. It's their country, and their rules. While I don't agree with them, I recognis their right to impose them. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:47 GMT Subject: Re: a political stance Message-Id: <20061021.114451.18186.692363 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> I used PLDs well before there were EPROMs. Often, I would install = limiters to avoid input overload on both audio and RF circuits. One = NAND gate at a time. One NOR gate at a time. One OI at a time. I = would install safety devices on tube amplifiers so they would shut = down if no load was detected, or if there was a short in the outputs. = The sensing was analog in nature, but the switching in of attenuation = circuits was more digital in nature. Do you remember the dimmer packs = that were marketed as 'Gorilla Proof'? Well, I rewired my amplifiers = at the board level to survive if the input signal level or output = load was could damage the amplifier. Shure later used a similar = technology to make automatic mixing devices for use at meetings, etc. /s/ Richard ________________________ > Electronics these days unavoidably requires programming skills. = Even the amplifier mentioned is probably going to contain a = microcontroller. ________________ Why? Amplifiers are for making small analogue signals into bigger = ones. The dreaded digits have not yet invaded this domain. Yes, = microconrollers may be involved in the signal routing, but that's all. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061021111540.00c5aa60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:15:40 From: CB Subject: dry ice fog redux >Just wondering if the cyro-fog machine will work with >that fancy new "Opera" fog juice I *am* going to end up getting sued for that, aren't I?... Well, if it gets you guys anywhere near getting things done with a minimum of crying and bitching, I'll take one for the team... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061021112136.00c5aa60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:21:36 From: CB Subject: Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help OK, OK! Squints win teh "Most Oft Repeated Untrimmed Re-post of a Re-post" award. Now cut it out. (Really, people, trim this stuff. Even if the ETC manual is difficult, I offer free training right ther in my sig for the list...) ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:55:01 GMT Subject: Re: a political stance Message-Id: <20061021.115558.18186.692388 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> A substantial minority of the citizens of the independent Colonies = wanted to be free of England, but did not want to switch from being = under George III to being under to George Washington. They wanted to = remain truly independent and prized local control, as many do today. = The Declaration of Independence did not necessarily change the status = of sovereign areas from Colonies to States; the Constitution did, = years later, and we have been fighting over States' Rights ever since. /s/ Richard ____________________________ > One problem with the child molesting/porn is the rules vary from = > place to place. Just in the USA you can marry a girl in one state = > who you'd be arrested for having sex with in the next. ___________________ This is a problem created by your constitution, and the vigorously = independent states. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:10:23 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021120621.01f77b60 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 11:55 AM 10/21/2006, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: >the Constitution did, >years later, and we have been fighting over States' Rights ever since. And some states never gave up sovereignty as nations (TX & HI come to mind). Also, some people seem intent in poking into other state's/nation's affairs. This applies to theater in that your production/script/book can be declared obscene someplace else and now people want you extradited to there so they can jail/stone/hang you. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061021114843.00c5aa60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:48:43 From: CB Subject: Frank Solution (was: Re: a political stance) > But, in a life-or-death situation, I >know my choice. Beat the bugger to death with a cane? Whadooeyewin? I hope he doesn't have a gun... (just couldn't resist, apologies to all who are tired of this thread. You kn ow I had to...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061021115446.00c5aa60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:54:46 From: CB Subject: Re: MON AZ >> I have lived in Tempe for the past 13 years and I agree with you. >> Although the area around downtown and ASU can get interesting. er... "interesting"? Describe "interesting". >Two weeks at the Gammage in September '01 was enough for me... >90+ degrees at 11pm when the show gets out is just *wrong*. I've loaded out in the snow three times in my life. Colorado Springs in November, Toledo in December, and Tucson in April. I'll do a loadout in 90 deg weather a lot easier than 30 deg weather, thank you. Here, if you can't stand the heat, go back to Wisconsin (or NY, or Mass, or Michigan, whatever...) >(although I will stipulate that the motorcycle ride from Phoenix to >Sonoma through the Tonto Ntn'l Forest was almost worth baking my >brains out in the helmet for. Almost.) Such a beautiful ride that when I was stopped for speeding (on my way to Utah for the Shakes Fest) I tokd the officer that I wasn't paying attention to the speedo because I was taken a back by the view. I didn't get a ticket. He agreed with me. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061021115602.00c5aa60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:56:02 From: CB Subject: Re: MON AZ >By way of Wickenburg and Prescott, BTW. I knew what you meant. Pony Espresso in Wickenburg is the only place along that route to get a decent cup, BTW. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42e.86d7f86.326bcf72 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:30:58 EDT Subject: Re: MON AZ _psyd [at] cox.net_ (mailto:psyd [at] cox.net) writes: << Here, if you can't stand the heat, go back to Wisconsin >> And you can load out rock shows at -4 farenheit in January. Or load in Toby Keith over the hockey ice this week! :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0610211309oe29e10dm8165bdade36b18e1 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:09:06 -0500 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: 1KAF Fresnels writes: << ........MPF Sockets burn out in my Fresnels........... (I use GE BTR lamps), ...........>> Ken, This sounds like an over heating problem. A medium prefocus porcelain socket should last almost forever if lamped correctly. For example, we are currently restoring a number of lighting units for a local High School. Some of the units are 35, to 40 years old but the original sockets are still fine, because they ave been lamped at 500w for their entire life. We're replacing all the asbestos leads, replacing missing knobs and such and cleaning them. Although your subject line is "1KAF Fresnels" you didn't ever say what make/model/size your fresnels were. My first thought is that if they are 6" fresnels, many are not rated for a 1K lamp. Some 6" fresnels that are rated for a 1K lamp are rated for a 1K only if it is 3000 color temp or incandescent rather than halogen. It would seem that the BTR, 3200 Kelvin lamp, is simply too hot for the lighting unit. Check your specs and see if they are truly rated for the lamp you're using. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:56:02 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 19:46:34 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > The sensing was analog in nature, but the switching in of attenuation > circuits was more digital in nature. You have to do what will work. I think that my best bit of design was our hearing assist system. The microphones live up among the stage lanterns. They are no more than a foot of cable from the head amplifiers, which will send 40V DAP to the purely passive, transformer balanced mixer that feeds thwe Sennheiser box. Aparh from some ham-fisted fool cutting one of the cables, it has worked well for many years. OK, a detailed study of the design would probably show that it was over-enginered. My defence is the faultless performance. I believe that this reduces the service calls, and saves money in the long run, for your users. All the gear I have designed and built is very conservatively enginered, according to known principles. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:05:21 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 19:58:04 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > They wanted to > remain truly independent and prized local control, as many do today. > The Declaration of Independence did not necessarily change the status > of sovereign areas from Colonies to States; the Constitution did, > years later, and we have been fighting over States' Rights ever since. I know. It goes down further than that, as the Jack Daniels situation shows. We, in the UK, are heading that way, with devolution. I am going to Scotland next weekend, where I may not smoke in a bar. Wales is the same, but in England I can, until next year. Madness. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:05:29 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061021150157.01f5d0c0 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 02:56 PM 10/21/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >OK, a detailed study of the design would probably show that it was >over-enginered. My defence is the faultless performance. I believe >that this reduces the >service calls, and saves money in the long run, for your users. All the gear >I have designed and built is very conservatively enginered, >according to known >principles. I know this should be obvious, but not ALL of us design audio systems. Some do lights, some do motion, some do fog, some do pyro, and many others. Many of these systems can't be done effectively (or at all) with pure analog control, so a bunch of us bat bits around between and inside magical things called digital chips. You've got to be careful working with these, they'll take a byte out of you as soon as your back is turned. You'd best stay in the low frequency analog world, much safer there. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: a political stance Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6f55d$5114a930$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > I am > going to Scotland > next weekend, where I may not smoke in a bar. Wales is the > same, but in England > I can, until next year. Madness. Madness, indeed, England needs to catch up with the civilized world. ------------------------------ From: "Joel Harari" Subject: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:56:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c5c412$da611ca0$6601a8c0 [at] Tigger> In-reply-to: I'm looking to rent a snow machine in the San Diego area. I'm looking for a "real" one as in ice, not the bubble style. Does anyone know of rental house that could help me? Joel Harari ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:28:21 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: non pyro flashes Question for everyone, I'm looking for a non-pyro effect for flashes of lights. Something similar to 5 old flashbulbs going off. Stobes aren't cutting it as they have a capacitance charging time. I don't care if it's something I have to build or whatever. I need them in 5 separate places. One flash from each spot. Able to adjust timing of flash between flashes. Preferably not a flash bulb as that is something that has to be replaced after each show, thus cost. Jeff Kanyuck ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:46:24 EDT Subject: Re: Frank Solution (was: Re: a political stance) In a message dated 21/10/06 20:20:01 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > > But, in a life-or-death situation, I > >know my choice. > > Beat the bugger to death with a cane? Whadooeyewin? I hope he doesn't > have a gun... (just couldn't resist, apologies to all who are tired of > this thread. You kn ow I had to...) You didn't read me. The cane of which I speak is 3/4" thick, of which the last few inches is loaded with lead.If I get a fair blow, I'll break your skull with that. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:59:59 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 23:08:19 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > > I am > > going to Scotland > > next weekend, where I may not smoke in a bar. Wales is the > > same, but in England > > I can, until next year. Madness. > > Madness, indeed, England needs to catch up with the civilized world. I am less than sure whay you mean by that. If, as I suspect, you are a part of the anti-smoking lobby, I have nothing but contempt for you Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:56 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: non pyro flashes In-reply-to: Message-id: <8168BCD1-B9AB-40FB-9523-E41F486C2940 [at] interstellar.com> References: On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Jeffrey Kanyuck wrote: > Question for everyone, I'm looking for a non-pyro effect for > flashes of > lights. Something similar to 5 old flashbulbs going off. Stobes aren't > cutting it as they have a capacitance charging time. I've used camera strobes with a contact connected to the trigger input (careful, 300V!). Most camera strobes recharge pretty quickly. Simply use a relay to trigger each one, use a DMX relay if you want it as a lighting cue. Use two relays per strobe so you can control the battery power with one and the fire with the other. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:10:52 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 21/10/06 23:06:29 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > You'd best stay in the low frequency > analog world, much safer there. That's what I know about. and, until someone invents didital microphones or loudspekers I shall stay there Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:23:08 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: a political stance In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Oct 21, 2006, at 4:10 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > That's what I know about. and, until someone invents didital > microphones or > loudspekers I shall stay there "This year at the AES 2001, Neumann will unveil Solution-D, a new generation of digital microphones. With Solution-D, Neumann has succeeded in transferring the dynamic range and fidelity of the best analog studio microphones into the digital domain, thus closing the final gap in the all-digital signal path." http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Solution-D.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC509537 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: 1KAF Fresnels Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:17:29 -0400 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Powers [mailto:mptecdir [at] gmail.com] "Although your subject line is "1KAF Fresnenls" you didn't ever say what make/model/size your fresnels were. My first thought is that if they are 6" fresnels, many are not rated for a 1K lamp. Some 6" fresnels that are rated for a 1K lamp are rated for a 1K only if it is 3000 color temp or incandescent rather than halogen. It would seem that the BTR, 3200 Kelvin lamp, is simply too hot for the lighting unit. Check your specs and see if they are truly rated for the lamp you're using." To those of us who made the mistake of thinking we were buying a product on par with the typical Altman quality, the 1KAF has been a POS from day 1. I purchased 44 of these fixtures 20 some odd years ago. The first year was OK, as I was using them at 500w, then I lamped them up to their UL rating of 1kw and within a year the lenses were cracking. Altman's answer was a fibertek type pad to be placed between the lenses and the metal lamp holder. I got these free, but had to pay for the 8 or so replacement lenses. Next problem was sockets going bad. The socket is a RPITA to get out, as the lamp adjustment train is (was) pop riveted in place. I never bothered calling Altman as I had MPF sockets for other fresnels. Then the lamp track stared jamming. They only way to focus the fixture was to point it horizontal, run it to spot, then aim to focus and flood to desired image, hoping it doesn't lose the position. Right now a replacement lenses is $60 or so from Production Advantage, and that's way too much to invest in this fixture. As comparison, we've had a dozen Colortran 1kw 6" fresnel for 10 years with zero problems. My solution and suggestion is to deep six these units before you are up to your butt in alligators. SB ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453ACC15.6020007 [at] gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:40:37 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: a political stance References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: Also, some people seem intent in poking into other > state's/nation's affairs. > The USA would NEVER think of doing that to other sovereign nations, right? :>) Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:57:27 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: a political stance References: In-Reply-To: In message , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes > Why? Amplifiers are for making small analogue signals into bigger >ones. The dreaded digits have not yet invaded this domain. Yes, >microconrollers may be involved in the signal routing, but that's all. Of course... You're too detached from the industry to even understand the concept of a class D amplifier. Real back-savers. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:06:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Off topic posts From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19624980.1161440800333.JavaMail.root [at] m41> I am so glad I'm at LDI and able to ignore most of this. :) -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:09:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Off topic posts In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Oct 21, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > I am so glad I'm at LDI and able to ignore most of this. :) Yep, we've morphed into harassing FW about digital audio and such. Not a pretty sight. :) ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:24:11 GMT Subject: Re: a political stance Message-Id: <20061021.212452.833.637159 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> There was also the advent of 'switching' power supplies to power them. /s/ Richard __________________________ FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes > Why? Amplifiers are for making small analogue signals into bigger = >ones. The dreaded digits have not yet invaded this domain. Yes, = >microconrollers may be involved in the signal routing, but that's = all. Of course... You're too detached from the industry to even = understand the concept of a class D amplifier. Real back-savers. -- = Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:27:20 GMT Subject: Re: a political stance Message-Id: <20061021.212753.833.637163 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> When was the Monroe Doctrine repudiated? Before the Maldives incident? /s/ Richard ______________________________ Jerry Durand wrote: Also, some people seem intent in poking into other > state's/nation's affairs. __________________ The USA would NEVER think of doing that to other sovereign nations, = right? :>) Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1103.205.215.255.194.1161494844.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 1KAF Fresnels From: "Bill Nelson" > "Although your subject line is "1KAF Fresnenls" you didn't ever say what > make/model/size your fresnels were. My first thought is that if > they are 6" fresnels, many are not rated for a 1K lamp. Some 6" > fresnels that are rated for a 1K lamp are rated for a 1K only if it is > 3000 color temp or incandescent rather than halogen. It would seem that the > BTR, 3200 Kelvin lamp, is simply too hot for the lighting unit. Check your > specs and see if they are truly rated for the lamp you're using." I bet you have the older style lens holder, with the lens mounted on the inside of the lens door, like we did. They have a known problem with cracking lenses. The new design has the lens mounted to the outside of the lens door. You can buy the new doors. The 1KAF is rated for tungsten halogen lamps. Altman specifically lists the BTR for MPF sockets. The EGT is listed for the bi-pin sockets. Both are 3200K lamps. All the instruments we have are MPF and I have never had a burned socket. > Then the lamp track stared jamming. They only way to focus the fixture > was to point it horizontal, run it to spot, then aim to focus and flood to > desired image, hoping it doesn't lose the position. Never had this problem either. > Right now a replacement lenses is $60 or so from Production Advantage, and > that's way too much to invest in this fixture. I don't think the replacement lenses we purchased about a year ago cost anywhere near that amount. > As comparison, we've had a dozen Colortran 1kw 6" fresnel for 10 years > with zero problems. I don't have any 1K Colortrans, but I love the positive pin clamp for my bi-pin 2KW fixtures. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1124.205.215.255.194.1161496311.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: non pyro flashes From: "Bill Nelson" > On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Jeffrey Kanyuck wrote: > Question for everyone, I'm looking for a non-pyro effect for flashes of > lights. Something similar to 5 old flashbulbs going off. Stobes aren't > cutting it as they have a capacitance charging time. Get a real strobe. I can get 60 joule flashes at the rate of 10 flashes/second - or even faster. In Special Effects mode (requiring the HO-1 lamp and 190+VAC) the continuous duty cycle is 26%, which means it can be at full intensity for that percent of elapsed time without a cooldown. So at 10 flashes/sec, the flash duration can be .026 seconds. There are strobes with much higher ratings - but I got mine used on ebay for roughly $175 each. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #991 *****************************