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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 36930377; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:40:10 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMPTY_MESSAGE,INFO_TLD, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #994 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:38:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #994 1. Re: Off topic posts by "Tony Deeming" 2. Re: What type of sign in 1922? by Kevin Lee Allen 3. Re: Off topic posts by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. Re: Areas of interest by Herrick Goldman 5. Subject Lines by Stephen Rees 6. Re: Areas of interest by Stephen Rees 7. Re: Subject Lines by Pat Kight 8. Re: Subject Lines by KEITH ARSENAULT 9. High schoool techs by b Ricie 10. High schoool techs by b Ricie 11. Re: High school techs by Bill Potter 12. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help by "Steven Haworth" 13. Re: oil foggers by "Paul Guncheon" 14. Re: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 15. Seeing as we're off topic of late by "Paul Guncheon" 16. Re: Online Stage Crew Call Signup System by "RD" 17. Re: Google and Stagecraft by "Michael Beyer" 18. Re: Areas of interest by "Bill Conner" 19. Controversial topics by "Frank E. Merrill" 20. Re: Controversial topics by "RD" 21. Roll Drop by "Maurice Moe Conn" 22. Re: Roll Drop by "Jason Salvatori" 23. Re: Roll Drop by Bill Sapsis 24. Re: Subject Lines by Clive Mitchell 25. Re: Areas of interest by Clive Mitchell 26. Re: oil foggers by Clive Mitchell 27. Re: Roll Drop by KEITH ARSENAULT 28. Re: Controversial topics by "Paul Schreiner" 29. Re: Roll Drop by "Paul Schreiner" 30. Re: MON AZ by CB 31. Re: analog to modern world conversions by CB 32. Re: Roll Drop by "Bill Nelson" 33. Re: a political stance by CB 34. Re: Digital electronics (was: Re: a political stance) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: a political stance by CB 36. Re: Roll Drop by Barney Simon 37. Re: Roll Drop by Bill Potter 38. Re: Roll Drop by Pat Kight 39. Re: Roll Drop by "Frank E. Merrill" 40. Apology for Controversial issues by "Frank E. Merrill" 41. Re: Roll Drop by "Mike Katz" 42. Re: analog to modern world conversions by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 43. Habeas Corpus by "Frank E. Merrill" 44. Re: Apology for Controversial issues by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 45. Re: Off topic posts by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Roll Drop by "Fred Schoening, Jr." 47. Re: Online Stage Crew Call Signup System by Ford Sellers 48. Stage Crew Blacks by "Frank E. Merrill" 49. Re: Apology for Controversial issues by "Tom Heemskerk" 50. Re: Apology for Controversial issues by "Paul Schreiner" 51. Re: Stage Crew Blacks by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 52. Re: Apology for Controversial issues by "RD" 53. Re: Areas of interest by Stephen Rees 54. source for triple swivel casters by "Jared Fortney" 55. Re: Roll Drop by Stephen Rees 56. Re: source for triple swivel casters by Stephen Rees 57. Re: source for triple swivel casters by "Frank E. Merrill" 58. Re: Roll Drop Thanks by "Maurice Moe Conn" 59. Re: Roll Drop by Chip Wood 60. Re: Roll Drop by Chip Wood 61. Re: MON AZ by MissWisc [at] aol.com 62. Re: Areas of interest by Ron Cargile 63. Re: Controversial topics by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 64. Re: source for triple swivel casters by "Brian Munroe" 65. Re: a political stance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 66. Re: source for triple swivel casters by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 67. Re: source for triple swivel casters by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 68. Re: a political stance by "Paul Schreiner" 69. Re: Areas of interest by Bill Sapsis 70. TD / ME positions question by Shawn Deiger 71. Flaming Dessert by Thomas Grabowski 72. Re: Flaming Dessert by Michael de Almeida 73. Re: source for triple swivel casters by "Brian Munroe" 74. Re: Roll Drop by "Jared Fortney" 75. Re: Flaming Dessert by Stuart Wheaton 76. Re: Roll Drop by Bill Sapsis *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Off topic posts Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:06:00 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Morning CB. To be honest, I was happy to throw a couple of posts into this one early on, and have declared that whilst I have serious concerns over the overall attitudes of the US as a country towards guns, (it APPEARS to us furriners that there are more IRresponsible gun-toters than responsible ones, though I'm sure that's not true!), I have on occasion enjoyed the skill of marksmanship, and in my own small way as a younger dude have shot small rifles for 'fun'. Where I feel that some members of the list went astray is when it got unnecessarily personal against an individual. Now, I'm maybe one of the first in line to have a friendly dig at this person when needs be, and yes we've gotten a little crispy round the edges at times, BUT I don't believe that there was just cause on this occasion for the short barrage of poorly considered posts mid-flow along this thread, and I still believe that an apology is due for the inferences raised. I do not think that Frank ever accused ANYBODY of being a murderer, but what he DID say I would agree with - in that when first conceived, the gun was created as a weapon - and a weapon designed to kill - thus by extension, there is a much higher chance if misused that this weapon could kill other human beans. I can see clearly what was intended by the attempted comparison with a digi-camera & a PC, but it was a flawed argument, considering that cameras were not designed for porn of any kind. I would have perhaps been happier if that posters had chosen a more relevant and appropriate counter-thrust or indeed had in fact read what had been written instead of over-reacting as I feel they did. I found myself in the unusual position of defending FW, (I'll be better soon!!) and though I do often have occasion, like everyone else, to challenge his statements (as we often also do with other posters) on this instance I think he was perhaps jumped on WAY too harshly. So, there we have it. CB is right - rampant emotion has no real place in a forum of this standard, and to be honest, I think it was a mistake to even start the discussion - whilst we may go off-topic at times, it's usually due to a side-trip from a stagecraft related theme - this one just blazed straight into the heated end of things without so much as a by-your-leave to theatre. I've suggested (at least twice now) that we drop it, because it's in danger of causing real rifts between some of the listers, but so far we've succeeded in keeping the flames fanned..... TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of CB > Sent: 22 October 2006 18:45 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Off topic posts > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > This time, It just > >started way off and should have sat there like a turd in a punchbowl. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:24:19 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: What type of sign in 1922? In-reply-to: Message-id: <85C155A3-2FE6-4D4D-9875-3205222C6B39 [at] klad.com> References: Small, bare lamps, clear, with sockets imbedded in a wood shape, like letters, attached to a steel frame. http://www.lucinda.net/redstuff/graphics/chicken.jpg http://victorian.fortunecity.com/plath/392/culture_desk/LT990201.JPG On Oct 23, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Michael Heinicke wrote: > I am working on a production of "Thoroughly Modern > Millie" and am curious what kind of light up sign > would have been used in 1922. The script says a switch > is thrown and a sign lights up. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Off topic posts Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c6f697$b77635f0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > considering that cameras were not designed for porn > of any kind. ...Although I can imagine what Freud would have said about those long zoom lenses.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:07:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Areas of interest From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32218608.1161585944577.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Yes OCCY but we still have no idea who you are! You're an Enigma. It's not like it was hard to find Bill (with a mic in his hand next to a Harley), or myself speaking on a panel, or Ken Romaine standing in Barco, Or Sarah Claussen in The ETC demo room, Never mind Sam Jones and Mike Finney walking the floor. (unless Finney was closing a bar). We even got to hang with Andy Leviss. Oh yeah and Michael Eddy practically runs the joint. Anyway, a bunch of folks had a lot of fun. I just landed on the red eye and have to drive 6 hours to Cape Cod today. I'll try to do a report on fun toys later in the week. It was good to see all of you. Bill and I want to do an NYC DBA gathering In November sometime. _Herrick On 10/23/06 2:44 AM, "Occy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I WAS there Bill! > > > ----- Original Message ----- -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:17:21 -0400 Subject: Subject Lines From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Umm, there has been an ongoing audio discussion under the guise of "re: a political stance". Please change the subject line to reflect the actual topic. Thanks folks. Best, Steve Rees On 10/22/06 6:41 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Oct 22, 2006, at 3:32 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > >> You are right. I had forgotten about them, possibly because they were >> conspicuously unsuccessful. If I remember right, Clive Sinclair >> embraced them. They >> seemed to be a good idea, but, like many of his ideas, they were a >> failure. > > Not only did it seem a good, it's pretty much how all portable stuff > works now. The first I ran into it was in the early 1980's, it > wasn't called Class-D then, nobody really had a name. It was the > output of all CVSD audio playback chips (used heavily in things like > NATO walkie-talkies). Kind of interesting idea, you just transmit > the PWM data directly as a serial stream. > > After that came "1-bit" D to A converters for CD players. The really > high pulse frequency makes it really easy and cheap (REALLY cheap) to > filter the output. > > Finally someone started calling them Class-D, not sure when. > > Oh, and depending on your definitions, Class-D may NOT be digital if > you don't count the "0 or 1" state of the output drivers. But, there > are chips that go from a direct digital input (USB or serial audio) > to a Class-D output, no analog anywhere in the chip. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:19:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Areas of interest From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I think that Bob should give everyone of his customers a ride! Me first. Steve On 10/22/06 8:19 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What I'm finding a bit interesting is that there has been no interest from > this list, at least none that I'm aware of, in LDI, which just closed after > 6 or 7 days of training sessions, panels, vendor exhibits and, oh > yeah...maybe a party or two. > > My report is more than a little one sided as I spent most of my time working > in either the ETCP Certification booth or raffling off a Harley Davidson > Sportster in the Behind The Scenes booth. Bob Medve, from Limelight, one > it, by the way. I also did some training early in the week with Eddie > Raymond. And I helped save the world once again with the Rigging Working > Group of the ESTA Technical Standards Program. > > Other folks can make better reports on the lighting and sound stuff. What > do I know..I'm just a rigger. > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453CC3C8.5060904 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:29:44 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Subject Lines References: In-Reply-To: Stephen Rees wrote: > Umm, there has been an ongoing audio discussion under the guise of "re: a > political stance". Please change the subject line to reflect the actual > topic. Thanks folks. Yes, please. Some of us have kill-filed the subject line in question but might be interested in a discussion of, say, stagecraft. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8BD3A348-CC73-4FC5-81C8-187D14BDA653 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Subject Lines Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:29:28 -0400 here, , here, , , was about to make the same comment..... On Oct 23, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Stephen Rees wrote: Umm, there has been an ongoing audio discussion under the guise of "re: a political stance". Please change the subject line to reflect the actual topic. Thanks folks. Best, Steve Rees Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061023135824.40763.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:58:24 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: High schoool techs In-Reply-To: >>Unfortunately we are in Missouri.<< Unfortunately??? Missouri has one of the top rated theatre schools right there in Columbia. Stephens College has a wonderful program for tech, acting and dance. Stephens also owns its own Summer stock theater training ground where they still do a 9 show 10 week season. Stephens is still an all woman's college but they do offer full tuition scholarships to men. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061023135827.24946.qmail [at] web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: High schoool techs In-Reply-To: >>Unfortunately we are in Missouri.<< Unfortunately??? Missouri has one of the top rated theatre schools right there in Columbia. Stephens College has a wonderful program for tech, acting and dance. Stephens also owns its own Summer stock theater training ground where they still do a 9 show 10 week season. Stephens is still an all woman's college but they do offer full tuition scholarships to men. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:40:10 -0400 Subject: Re: High school techs From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As of five years or so ago, Stephens was not offering FULL scholarships for male students. They WERE offing a pretty good chunk, but not a full ride. (Actually the scholarships were for male actors and dancers, and any gender tech students.) Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH (Former Assistant Professor, Stephens College) On 10/23/06 9:58 AM, "b Ricie" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> Unfortunately we are in Missouri.<< > > Unfortunately??? Missouri has one of the top rated > theatre schools right there in Columbia. Stephens > College has a wonderful program for tech, acting and > dance. Stephens also owns its own Summer stock theater > training ground where they still do a 9 show 10 week > season. Stephens is still an all woman's college but > they do offer full tuition scholarships to men. > > > Brian Rice > 508-685-0716 > b_ricie [at] yahoo.com > "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the > light." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAA8C0 [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" So - (sorry to be pesty) - what's the exact keystroke? I never seemed to be able to get the board to recognize what I was trying to save as a focus pt, and couldn't figure it our from the manual. I know I'm probably just being dumb... but it would be helpful to know. =20 - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003301c6f6b3$381f92d0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: oil foggers Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 04:55:01 -1000 <<>Anyone have a formula for oil based fog juice to be used in propane >insect foggers? Aqua fog juice does not work. I think the oil foggers need heat for the effect. Generic baby oil might be worth a try. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com>> Bingo. I used baby oil which is mineral oil with a fragrance and it seemed to work swell. Curious though... to get a quart of baby oil, how many babies do you have to squeeze? Laters, Paul "It's a bloody lion," said Tom categorically. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: ETC Expression Off-Line / Console Help Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:04:20 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c6f6b4$84e9d160$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > So - (sorry to be pesty) - what's the exact keystroke? I > never seemed to be able to get the board to recognize what I > was trying to save as a focus pt, [Record] [Focus Pt] {number} ...Where {number} is whatever focus point you want it to be. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004501c6f6b5$2dedcaf0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Seeing as we're off topic of late Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:09:03 -1000 It's politics, I know... but the guy is well spoken and the issue is immensely serious. The elimination of habeous corpus and most of the bill of rights. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/43178/ http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/#43258 Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Online Stage Crew Call Signup System Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:09:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01b501c6f6b5$3c9d19c0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Tried to open this, could not. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott Parker Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:10 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: hstech group Subject: Online Stage Crew Call Signup System For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello All, I've been working on a new site to help me track crew during running and work calls. Our program requires students to serve a certain number of work hours each. Keeping track was becoming a major task. This system allows students to sign up for work, just as if they were to put their name on a paper list on the call board. However, this system keeps track of the math. How many hours have they served, how many they still have to serve, etc.... If anyone is interested in taking a look, and perhaps give some constructive suggestions. I've posted a working test site that anyone can play with. It's only for testing and is not connected to my actual database. So, you're welcome to play with anything you wish. I've added a few example work calls and such..... Site: http://techtheater.org/paceteam1/login.php I have set up two accounts for playing. Admin level: User name: demo Password: demo Student level: User name: student Password: student Admins can add new users. You are welcome to add new "test" users and students. I do not have a set of instructions yet. I'll be working on it soon. I also have a small team of computer science students who have signed on to help me improve the site. If anyone has suggestions, please send them along. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <468d22820610230815v33951620p38975f5fe577b0c6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:15:01 -0400 From: "Michael Beyer" Subject: Re: Google and Stagecraft In-Reply-To: References:

I use gmail for this listserve, and I do sometimes get weird advertisements on the side when I read emails from the list... like this thread, the first advertisement it gives me is "buy direct from china", then a bunch of stuff about household light bulbs... But it varies from thread to thread. Michael On 10/23/06, Occy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am getting nothing, but it coukd be the name and the address I use too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Noah Price" > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Jerry Durand wrote: > > > > > So, is anyone else with their URL in their SIG getting strange > > > referrals from Google? > > > > Like others, I get plenty of (mostly Chinese) mass mail for various > > lighting equipment, much of it actually residential. > > > > I also have a few (I'm pretty sure none are subscribers) who send > > newsletters regularly to the subscription address. I'll warn everyone > > now that this email is reported as spam on a regular basis. > > > > For the curious, here are some top search engine phrases which have > > led people to the Stagecraft Mailing List web site over the past two > > months, omitting a few that had people's names in them. While most > > are from Google, this includes search phrases for all search engines: > > > > etc express > > stagecraft > > stagecraft list > > cable wrapping > > stagecraft digest > > theatre sound mailing list > > 911 events > > flicker candle > > stagecraft mailing list > > etc express 48/96 > > over under cable > > > > Noah > > > > > -- www.mjblightdesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <018201c6f6b9$7ee33540$6801a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Areas of interest Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:39:57 -0500 LDI was LDI. Exhibits did seem a little smaller and less crowded than some past ones. I found out a little more about Strand acquisition and product direction, liked seeing the real thing at Clancy and their Power Assist products, was impressed more than ever by Fisher Technical Services Inc and their Navigator automation control, find the emphasis of the show moving even further towards production and away from facilities, and always liked greeting acquaintances of many years. (God forbid I say "old" acquaintances). Oh yes, I thought food at Rose Brand party was better than usual. My hat's off to George and Josh and Roger and other folks at Rose Brand for the opportunity. If someone was willing to sponsor a get together for the Stagecraft list next year, what would that ideally be or what would you like to see? Any ideas as to when? Anyone here take the ETCP Electrician's certification exam? I'd be interested to know if it was either harder or easier than you anticipated. I know I found rigging exam harder than I anticipated when I took it last year. This is a great program and great achievement for ESTA (and I can say that without patting myself on the back since I had nothing to do with it.) I encourage your support and taking the exam and becoming certified. Don't be afraid; hit up your employer for the exam fee; and show that you care enough about your craft and skills to demonstrate it. I doubt very much there are many people on this list who can't pass and who, at the most, might have to retake the exam once if they failed the first time. No shame there. As soon as I can find time I plan to take the other two. And a hint to ETCP: maybe they should come up with some literature specifically developed for folks like many of us to present to employer's to encourage them to fund the cost of the exam. (OK - I'm excluded since I now work for myself - but you get the idea.) Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:41:20 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <965932563.20061023114120 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Controversial topics I apologize for starting the gun thing. I did not intend to detract from what we like to do in this group. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Controversial topics Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:43:24 -0600 Message-ID: <020201c6f6c2$5bba1d50$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Frank: no apologies necessary. In a free society we must be able to speak and write, as I well know from my own experiences. Your candor and your honesty reveals great integrity and that is what the industry needs and what you give it. Thank you. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E. Merrill Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:41 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Controversial topics For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I apologize for starting the gun thing. I did not intend to detract from what we like to do in this group. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Roll Drop Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:55:34 +0000 Hey Listers, I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. The Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple in the past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get anything stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. I have tried 4" double walled PVC, looked for with no avail aluminum pipe. And am now running into the scratch my head dunno phase. Weight becomes and issue since I have a Walkable tension Grid meaning no fly space or counter weight system, but I have a pin rail!? No Chain Motors. One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the drop acordian in on itself. Never done this or even tried it. Bad Plan? Other suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780610230959s4e9d2534m20a49bfa4c4b1b7c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:59:57 -0400 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Roll Drop In-Reply-To: References: Was anyone on the Cirque "corteo" show? They had a huge roll/oleo drop that somehow didn't flex. I've been wondering what they used for a some time now, and it would help this thread out... (sorry my post doesn't have an answer for you) Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:06:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll Drop From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Strength to weight ratio of PVC sucks. I know you said it's not available, but a 4" thin-wall aluminum tube is really the way to go. Everything else we've used is too small. Thanks Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/23/06 12:55 PM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Listers, > > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. The > Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple in the > past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get anything > stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. I have tried 4" double > walled PVC, looked for with no avail aluminum pipe. And am now running > into the scratch my head dunno phase. Weight becomes and issue since I have > a Walkable tension Grid meaning no fly space or counter weight system, but I > have a pin rail!? No Chain Motors. > > One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the drop acordian > in on itself. Never done this or even tried it. Bad Plan? Other > suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! > > Moe > > > > Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or > Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:50:15 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Subject Lines References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Pat Kight writes >Yes, please. Some of us have kill-filed the subject line in question >but might be interested in a discussion of, say, stagecraft. Yeah, except for me 'cos Turnpike wouldn't kill the darn subject for some reason. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7hlbKLFCWPPFFwit [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:01:54 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Areas of interest References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Stephen Rees writes >I think that Bob should give everyone of his customers a ride! Me >first. Steve Well I've heard of customer support but actually having sex with them all is outstanding. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:56:53 +0100 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: oil foggers References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Paul Guncheon writes >I used baby oil which is mineral oil with a fragrance and it seemed to >work swell. > The best thing about the baby products is that the smell triggers women's maternal instincts and overrides their common sense. Instead of complaining about the cloud of noxious oil vapour descending on them they all squeal with delight and say "Ooh! It's smells like baby." That's why Baby foam bath is ideal as snow fluid concentrate. :) >Curious though... to get a quart of baby oil, how many babies do you >have to squeeze? It depends on the babies. The African ones have a higher oil yield. That's why Madonna has started importing them for her smoke oil factory. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <81DCA234-C3A1-49AB-89C0-0F97D4A7A314 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Roll Drop Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:15:33 -0400 can not say i have done this myself, , but I have seen PVC "stiffened" with a sort of x brace made of one by, , that slipped in one end and ran the length of the tube I have also seen "tube" built out of "one by" that was covered with fabric, , wasn't as much a tube as it was a long hexagonal shape... as for your suggestion of "grommeting the endges" and letting it accordian on itself, think of building a "tray" so to speak that it collapses on, , as you lift the tray up, , , , , or a trough of fabric, , , seen both work succesfully...... On Oct 23, 2006, at 12:55 PM, Maurice Moe Conn wrote: I have tried 4" double walled PVC, Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Controversial topics Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0687673C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) > I apologize for starting the gun thing. I did not intend to=20 > detract from what we like to do in this group. I know how you feel...I crossed the same line a couple of years ago when another political issue came up. Sometimes, you just gotta do what you just gotta do. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Roll Drop Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06876749 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a=20 > Roll Drop. The Drop is 30' X 24'.=20 >=20 > One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the=20 > drop acordian in on itself. Never done this or even tried it.=20 > Bad Plan? Other suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! Whyfore the arrgh? Your tech isn't til Saturday...that's plenty of time to try, oh, four or five different ideas! Accordioning is likely not to work, unless you also add grommets and pull lines every six feet or so along that 30' width, just cuz of the sag factor. The sides will pull up, but the bottom is gonna hang down...unless you've got it piped with something stiff, that is, like 4" aluminum... :) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061023101551.00c53560 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:15:51 From: CB Subject: Re: MON AZ >What happens when it gets too hot and you can't remove any >more clothing for safety/legal/aesthetic reasons? Everyone goes to the pool or takes a siesta. What do you guys do when it gets so cold that people are wearing so many extra layers that limbs barely move and you can't hear each other? >How'bout I just stay here instead, and save myself the round-trip >gasoline bill. You have an invitation, and are welcome anytime. Please let your neighbors (the ones that can't drive or see motorcycles, you know who they are) that they are welcome to save the gas and spend the money on heating oil this winter... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061023102055.00c53560 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:20:55 From: CB Subject: Re: analog to modern world conversions >It is the transducers which resist digits. It's not rally fair to suggest that technology is behind the curve in making transducers digital, however, as sound is, and always will be, an analogue source. Anything that makes sound into digital signal, or that signal into sound, will by definition be an ADC or a DAC. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1562.205.215.255.190.1161626556.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Roll Drop From: "Bill Nelson" > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. > The Drop is 30' X 24'. You can forget PVC, it is not good in either tension or compression. Have you checked farm irrigation supplies? I know it is available in 4" and 6" diameters. But I don't know how it would stand up to a 30+ foot unsupported length. Can your drop have an additional line in the center? Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061023103220.00c53560 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:32:20 From: CB Subject: Re: a political stance >>Heh... "Want to hear what 5Hz sounds like?" >Trick question: no human can hear 5Hz. Sorta true. While the human ear can't follow the waveform at five cycles a second, it can tell the difference between a normal, full range signal high-passed at 20 hz, and one that contains five Hz information. While the human ear can distinguish the difference between the signal with the 5Hz present and it's absence, I'm not sure how importan reproducing it might be. Especially if you are endowed in the normal range. OTOH, if 'hear' means the ability to detect it's presence when compared to it's absence... The same applies to frequencies as high as 100 KHz according to some theorists. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <269.121815d8.326e5ea0 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:06:24 EDT Subject: Re: Digital electronics (was: Re: a political stance) In a message dated 23/10/06 03:47:11 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > *sigh* > Quit makin' me do this to you in public, Frank. Well, this site refers to a perfectly normal analogue microphone, with the ADC built in to it at a very early stage. The other site to which you referred me, about digital LS amps, is more interesting. While it is patently a sales spiel, it is quite informative. Modern semiconductors have made this a posibility. However, I should like to run some tests myself. Don't forget that, at both ends of the chain, you have analogue signals to deal with. The microphone is operated by analogue-type variations in air pressure or velocity: the LS has to cause them. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061023103755.00c53560 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:37:55 From: CB Subject: RE: a political stance >...But 8 cycles is almost an octave above 5. Sorta depends on your defenition of 'almost'. 5 Hz is a slightly flat 'E', and 8 Hz is a slightly flat 'C'. Nearly a fifth, I'd say. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453D0527.5030202 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:08:39 -0400 From: Barney Simon Subject: Re: Roll Drop References: In-Reply-To: Moe wrote: > I cant seem to get anything stiff enough to span the 30' without major > flex. Without going to the commercial stuff that can be pricey, (but Gerrietts says they are getting a less expensive version)... I've been told that you can get irrigation pipe in good lengths, with little flex. > One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the drop > acordian in on itself. The side to side tension is what will make this work funny... -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:11:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll Drop From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: What about an Oleo drop? If I remember correctly, that's one where the top of the drop is stationary and the drop rolls down with the rolled up part lowering from above. That way the drop itself is helping to support the weight of the roll. Then the "pipe" doesn't have to be as stiff. Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 10/23/06 1:45 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a >> Roll Drop. The Drop is 30' X 24'. >> >> One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the >> drop acordian in on itself. Never done this or even tried it. >> Bad Plan? Other suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453D066B.5030002 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:14:03 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Roll Drop References: In-Reply-To: Maurice Moe Conn wrote: > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. > The Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple > in the past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get > anything stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. I have tried > 4" double walled PVC, looked for with no avail aluminum pipe. And am > now running into the scratch my head dunno phase. Weight becomes and > issue since I have a Walkable tension Grid meaning no fly space or > counter weight system, but I have a pin rail!? No Chain Motors. Possible sources for long aluminum pipe, if you haven't thought of them already, include farm supply stores (irrigation pipe) and swimming pool supply stores (pool cover rollers). -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:15:38 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1416820378.20061023141538 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Roll Drop In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, October 23, 2006, Mo wrote: > I cant seem to get anything stiff enough to span the 30' without > major flex. I've successfully used 4" diameter Spiral Duct as the bottom roller on drops up to 32 feet wide. Whuzzat? You don't know what Spiral Duct is? The HVAC Industry rolls Spiral Duct on the jobsite in many diameters to install for ductwork. Think "Toilet Paper Tube" but made of sheet metal. Most HVAC suppliers can roll duct for you to your specifications. If your supplier doesn't, he knows who does. Ask them to finish the duct 18" longer than the width of your drop so you'll have room for the rollup ropes. If you ask nicely, they'll square off the ends and make two end caps for you while they're at it. I put #1 Grommets through webbing at the bottom of the drop, and then attach the drop to the roller with #10 oval head self-tap screws 3/4" long. Slicker'n snot.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:18:04 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <583591346.20061023141804 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Apology for Controversial issues Howdy ! Several people sent gracious notes acknowledging my apology for having started the unintentional furor overthe gun thing, for which I thank all of you. Does that mean this is a good time to get something going about the need for and required mode of baptism? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180610231124q21b39f38mcd52631302636c7d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:24:52 -0400 From: "Mike Katz" Subject: Re: Roll Drop In-Reply-To: References: Moe, I have done the tube by building octagonal wood framed unit, I have done 18 foot that way with an 8" diameter. Perhaps a 12 to 14 inch diam tube, 10 or 12 sided would make it work. Weight is always a an issue but remember that roll drops with a bottom tube have a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage. So a little more weight is not so horrible. Forget the plastic it is too heavy and weak. Another option would be to rig it as a ROLLER drop with the roll on the top. Then you can install a support caster in the center of the span underneath the drum. It wrinkles the drop a bit, but can be made to work well. Have Fun Mike -- Mike Katz Technical Director MIT Theater Arts 617.253.0824 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:26:17 EDT Subject: Re: analog to modern world conversions In a message dated 23/10/06 07:02:34 GMT Daylight Time, OneOccy [at] hotmail.com writes: > > Clive, You're your so right there. > > > > In message , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com writes > > >The Hi-Fi buffs have their own views on it. > > > > Yes, but since the same Hi-Fi buffs think that filling their speaker > > stands with lead shot and using unrealistically large (and therefore > > expensive) pleated oxygen free gold cables improves speaker performance > > I think we can disregard their input. That was what I meant. I am always greatly amused by the advertisments for special cables, and the terminology they use. But they have their uses. Their pressure has created a demand for better quality connectors, which is being met. The original RCA (phono) connector was pretty awful. The DIN standard was a valiant attempt to simplify things, but never really took off, and their speaker connectors were, and are, terrible. They are not man enough for the job. I use 50/0.2mm cable for speakers, in plain tinned copper. Terminating that in one is a PITA, but I still have some Bang and Olufsen gear which uses them. But, when you consider the miles of perfectly ordinary copper wire through which the signals travel in a big studio centre, I think a few feet of the same stuff in your interconnections will make little difference. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:26:45 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <9110385123.20061023142645 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Habeas Corpus Howdy ! There has been discussion in this forum about the Military Commissions Act of 2006, recently signed into law by President Bush, and how that law is purported to strip away basic rights. Here is a link to a .pdf copy of the law in case you'd like to read it for yourself: http://news.lp.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/terrorism/mca2006.pdf For those interested in the suspension of Habeas Corpus, that definition begins on page 37.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Apology for Controversial issues Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <008701c6f6d1$99881d30$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > Does that mean this is a good time to get something going > about the need for and required mode of baptism? Is that another way of saying that certain people need to have their heads soaked? If so, I vote for total immersion. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:33:55 EDT Subject: Re: Off topic posts In a message dated 23/10/06 11:06:41 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > So, there we have it. > CB is right - rampant emotion has no real place in a forum of this standard, > and to be honest, I think it was a mistake to even start the discussion - > whilst we may go off-topic at times, it's usually due to a side-trip from a > stagecraft related theme - this one just blazed straight into the heated end > of things without so much as a by-your-leave to theatre. > > I've suggested (at least twice now) that we drop it, because it's in danger > of causing real rifts between some of the listers, but so far we've > succeeded in keeping the flames fanned..... I agree with Tony. It is even doubly off topic, having drifted into digital sound systems. But it's not a topic which really belongs on Stagecraft. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7714281.1161628672577.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:37:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." Subject: Re: Roll Drop Cc: t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com Moe, where in The South are you? If you're anywhere near Dallas, I have one I might could lend you - 31' long, 12" diameter, in a frame and ready to go. On the other hand, I just tried googling "aluminum irrigation pipe" and came up with several good hits. Dunno how expensive it is, though. Here are a couple of the links I found: http://www.hipco-ne.com/tubing.htm http://www.kroyind.com/plaintube.html http://www.lakecompany.com/Products/lakeco2.pdf I also like the idea of an oleo, if you don't mind seeing the pipe and ropes (or are able to mask them off.) If you do go with a conventional roll drop, the weight of the drop is going to impart torque on the roll, so that's an issue you'll need to watch out for. I successfully hacked a go-kart brake into the system the last time I did one. It was able to be disengaged for maximum speed flying out. (Runaways on the in and holding steady were the problems.) Ben Thoron at the Old Globe also had a really good idea for a pneumatic pad against the roller that I'm going to try next time. Hope this helps, Fred "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA -----Original Message----- I cant seem to get anything stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061023145947.02ef8868 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:02:26 -0400 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Online Stage Crew Call Signup System In-Reply-To: References: Scott, This looks like a very good solution. How does one obtain the licence to use it. My issue with students is their lack of excitement to attend after the 3rd or 4th call. They tend to fill their schedules up, and one weeks lead time is not enough for them. This would allow them to "sign up" at the beginning of the semester, and make them a bit more accountable. I like it. At 09:09 PM 10/22/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hello All, >I've been working on a new site to help me track crew during running >and work calls. Our program requires students to serve a certain >number of work hours each. Keeping track was becoming a major task. >This system allows students to sign up for work, just as if they were >to put their name on a paper list on the call board. However, this >system keeps track of the math. How many hours have they served, how >many they still have to serve, etc.... > >If anyone is interested in taking a look, and perhaps give some >constructive suggestions. I've posted a working test site that anyone >can play with. It's only for testing and is not connected to my actual >database. So, you're welcome to play with anything you wish. I've >added a few example work calls and such..... > >Site: http://techtheater.org/paceteam1/login.php > >I have set up two accounts for playing. >Admin level: >User name: demo >Password: demo > >Student level: >User name: student >Password: student > >Admins can add new users. You are welcome to add new "test" users >and students. > >I do not have a set of instructions yet. I'll be working on it soon. I >also have a small team of computer science students who have signed on >to help me improve the site. If anyone has suggestions, please send >them along. > >-- >Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:14:03 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <681453593.20061023151403 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Stage Crew Blacks Howdy ! Did you see this story about a real, honestagosh invisibility cloak? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/20/ap/tech/mainD8KS6M800.shtml Maybe we don't need to buy black jeans and tee shirts for the stage crew after all! Who knows? Maybe we can have the prompter wear an invisibility cloak and walk around stage to aid forgetful actors without obstructing the view from the expensive seats in the front row of the house! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: RE: Apology for Controversial issues Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:20:21 -0700 > >Does that mean this is a good time to get something going about the >need for and required mode of baptism? > > > You left out the "N"..... _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Apology for Controversial issues Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A068767DE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) > Does that mean this is a good time to get something going=20 > about the need for and required mode of baptism? In this case, I think it calls for a giant water balloon... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Stage Crew Blacks Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c6f6d9$7a54ed00$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > Did you see this story about a real, honestagosh invisibility cloak? I particularly liked this: > "In a very speculative application, he added, "one could imagine 'cloaking' > acoustic waves, so as to shield a region from vibration or seismic activity." Cone of Silence, anyone? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Apology for Controversial issues Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:31:26 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c6f6d9$db812d50$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: No. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tom Heemskerk Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:20 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Apology for Controversial issues For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > >Does that mean this is a good time to get something going about the >need for and required mode of baptism? > > > You left out the "N"..... _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:52:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Areas of interest From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTF. Choked on my Coffee. Steve On 10/23/06 1:01 PM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Stephen Rees > writes >> I think that Bob should give everyone of his customers a ride! Me >> first. Steve > > Well I've heard of customer support but actually having sex with them > all is outstanding. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45c56d340610231256q11746786xaa4d58adc28426fd [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:56:05 -0400 From: "Jared Fortney" Subject: source for triple swivel casters Does anyone have a good source for triple swivel casters in stock? I tried Production Advantage, but they're out. Right now my only source is in the UK, but I'd like to save some shipping. Frank, tell me you've got a dozen on the shelf between your long guns and your hand guns... Thanks, -Jared Fortney Rigger Cirque du Soleil's Corteo Currently in Washington, D.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:57:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll Drop From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Moe, Could you do the drop as an Austrian curtain with ring-tape stitched every 5' across the back. All lift lines would go to a single line for control. Steve On 10/23/06 12:55 PM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Listers, > > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. The > Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple in the > past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get anything > stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. I have tried 4" double > walled PVC, looked for with no avail aluminum pipe. And am now running > into the scratch my head dunno phase. Weight becomes and issue since I have > a Walkable tension Grid meaning no fly space or counter weight system, but I > have a pin rail!? No Chain Motors. > > One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the drop acordian > in on itself. Never done this or even tried it. Bad Plan? Other > suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! > > Moe > > > > Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or > Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Try BMI Supply in Queensbury, NY. Top of page 13. Your contact is Matt Williams at 1.800.836.0524 http://www.bmisupply.com/bmicat/bmicat07/bmi07_hardware.pdf Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia On 10/23/06 3:56 PM, "Jared Fortney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone have a good source for triple swivel casters in stock? I > tried Production Advantage, but they're out. Right now my only source > is in the UK, but I'd like to save some shipping. > > Frank, tell me you've got a dozen on the shelf between your long guns > and your hand guns... > > Thanks, > > -Jared Fortney > Rigger > Cirque du Soleil's Corteo > Currently in Washington, D.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:15:31 -0400 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <186654950.20061023161531 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, October 23, 2006, Jared Fortney wrote: > Does anyone have a good source for triple swivel casters in stock? > Frank, tell me you've got a dozen on the shelf between your long guns > and your hand guns... Oh, I did last week, but took the ball bearings outta all of them to load into shotgun shells for street riot protection, and so I can't help ya! Drat the rotted luck! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Roll Drop Thanks Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:12 +0000 Thanks Everyone one for your quick response!! I have punted on the roll drop "Olio" style Between cost and time to get aluminum. I did discover the drop never comes or goes where the audience can see this happen. Which means I can support the center with lines remove the lines do scene re attach lines fly out. Easy! Fabric basket Same material as Ballroom with decorative swag will be like it was meant to be there. In Theory...This will work. Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org >From: Stephen Rees >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Roll Drop >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:57:34 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Moe, >Could you do the drop as an Austrian curtain with ring-tape stitched every >5' across the back. All lift lines would go to a single line for control. >Steve > > >On 10/23/06 12:55 PM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Hey Listers, > > > > I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. >The > > Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple in >the > > past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get >anything > > stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. I have tried 4" double > > walled PVC, looked for with no avail aluminum pipe. And am now running > > into the scratch my head dunno phase. Weight becomes and issue since I >have > > a Walkable tension Grid meaning no fly space or counter weight system, >but I > > have a pin rail!? No Chain Motors. > > > > One other Idea I have had is to Gromet the edges and have the drop >acordian > > in on itself. Never done this or even tried it. Bad Plan? Other > > suggestions. Tech Starts Saturday. Arrrgh! > > > > Moe > > > > > > > > Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation >and/or > > Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from > > Microsoft Office Live > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453D2DA6.6000602 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:01:26 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Roll Drop References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Strength to weight ratio of PVC sucks. I know you said it's not available, > but a 4" thin-wall aluminum tube is really the way to go. >> I am getting ready (in the South we call it fix'n) to hang a Roll Drop. The >> Drop is 30' X 24'. I know the concept, I have even rigged a couple in the >> past, but much smaller. Here is my delimma. I cant seem to get anything >> stiff enough to span the 30' without major flex. > Not my drop, but my current show has several roll drops that seem to work reasonably well. They used common cardboard? rug tubes, internal x-braced the ends, and used 3 outside rollers on L-frames about a third in and center. The outside rollers do not allow the center to sag. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453D3089.5050408 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:13:45 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Roll Drop References:

In-Reply-To: Mike Katz wrote: but remember that roll drops with a bottom tube have a 2 to 1 > mechanical advantage. So a little more weight is not so horrible. Another option would be > to rig it as a ROLLER drop with the roll on the top. Then you can > install a support caster in the center of the span underneath the > drum. It wrinkles the drop a bit, but can be made to work well. > That's what I said, but I didn't know the difference between a ROLLER drop and a ROLL drop. If I got this straight, the ROLL drop has the roller fastened to the bottom of the drop and rolls up and down with the drop. The ROLLER drop has a fixed roller at the top and it doesn't move verticly. Do I get a gold star, teach? Chip ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <555.86721d2.326e8b10 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: MON AZ psyd [at] cox.net writes: What do you guys do when it gets so cold that people are wearing so many extra layers that limbs barely move and you can't hear each other? Silk underwear and thinsulate have made the snowman look passe. Don't even need layers of down anymore. My leather jacket is heavier than my winter coat. Check out Lands End. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20061023145120.02151808 [at] uci.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:53:16 -0700 From: Ron Cargile Subject: Re: Areas of interest Unka Bill sed "What I'm finding a bit interesting is that there has been no interest from this list, at least none that I'm aware of, in LDI, which just closed..." Well for what it's worth I walked past you 3 times on the show floor and didn't recognize you without the beard. How much did the raffle raise? ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:54:11 EDT Subject: Re: Controversial topics In a message dated 23/10/06 18:41:04 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > > I apologize for starting the gun thing. I did not intend to > > detract from what we like to do in this group. > > I know how you feel...I crossed the same line a couple of years ago when > another political issue came up. > > Sometimes, you just gotta do what you just gotta do. There's nothing wrong with controversy, provided the posts stay within the bounds of courtesy. Some of us transgress them from time to time, and I include myself. But, even then, it is refreshing to hear other points of view, or opinions, or cultural differences. More on the nominal list subject, different working practices and customs. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:55:22 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters In-Reply-To: References: > Does anyone have a good source for triple swivel casters in stock? I > tried Production Advantage, but they're out. Right now my only source > is in the UK, but I'd like to save some shipping. Have you tried Rosebrand? Also try Centerline Scenic. http://www.centerlinestudios.com/caster.html Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:59:21 EDT Subject: Re: a political stance In a message dated 23/10/06 19:09:37 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Sorta depends on your defenition of 'almost'. 5 Hz is a slightly flat 'E', > and 8 Hz is a slightly flat 'C'. Nearly a fifth, I'd say. Try a third, if the notes you quote are accurate. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:07:01 EDT Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters In a message dated 23/10/06 20:57:54 GMT Daylight Time, jared.fortney [at] gmail.com writes: > > Does anyone have a good source for triple swivel casters in stock? I > tried Production Advantage, but they're out. Right now my only source > is in the UK, but I'd like to save some shipping. > > Frank, tell me you've got a dozen on the shelf between your long guns > and your hand guns... Jared, I don't even know what they are. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:13:43 EDT Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters In a message dated 23/10/06 21:16:09 GMT Daylight Time, Lamplighter [at] tcon.net writes: > > Frank, tell me you've got a dozen on the shelf between your long guns > > and your hand guns... > > Oh, I did last week, but took the ball bearings outta all of them to > load into shotgun shells for street riot protection, and so I can't > help ya! Drat the rotted luck! We have confusion here. Posts addressed to 'Frank' may be for either of us. Sometimes I respond to yours, and you sometimes respond to mine. Referring to FM or FW would help, unless the dreaded 'Furless Wookie' rears his head again. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: a political stance Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A06876853 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Sorta depends on your defenition of 'almost'. 5 Hz is a=20 > slightly flat=20 > > 'E', and 8 Hz is a slightly flat 'C'. Nearly a fifth, I'd say. >=20 > Try a third, if the notes you quote are accurate. Bzzt! Thanks for playing...E-C is a minor sixth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:52:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Areas of interest From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 10/23/06 5:53 PM, "Ron Cargile" wrote: > Well for what it's worth I walked past you 3 times on the show floor > and didn't recognize you without the beard. > > How much did the raffle raise? Hmmmm. Haven't had a beard for about 7 years now. Will hopefully know how much the raffle raised by sometime tomorrow. I'll let you know. Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:55:12 -0500 Subject: TD / ME positions question From: Shawn Deiger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: First, some background. Ours is a small campus where the Theatre program is folded into one department with Music and Dance. We do four staged productions a year, plus one dance concert and about 50 music performances. This takes place in three performance spaces. For the last several years all of the technical aspects of lighting and sound have been managed by one person, with student help doing a lot of the easy grunt work. The work load included some sound design, ME duties, and general maintenance of equipment and related budgets. Also included was setup of various non-departmental events in the spaces. With the student help, this was a perfectly manageable load. The Administration now wants to split this load up. The new layout would include all of the same sound work, largely minus the student help (causing an increase in time load), plus only the lighting in the music performance space. The balance of the lighting duties would go to the TD. So now in addition to running the scene shop and teaching a couple of classes, the TD would be responsible for lighting maintenance, setting up lights for outside events in the theatre spaces, and acting as the ME. With both programs located in the same building, and student help largely available from either program, splitting this position up doesn't make any sense to me. I know in a lot of places, if it plugs in, one person deals with it. In our situation, it strikes me that one person with a good overview is much more efficient and useful than splitting things up. Can anyone help me with pros and cons of each situation? The people making the decisions (as usual) have no experience in this area. Feel free to respond on or off list. Sorry about the length, but I think I got all the details in. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:27:13 -0500 From: Thomas Grabowski Subject: Flaming Dessert Message-id: Our next production calls for a flaming dessert to be brought onstage, lit and consumed onstage. I am trying to get the director to consider another type of spectacular dessert that doesn't involve flame due to NFPA 160. With the proximity of the audience to the effect (15'), I don't think that faking the flame would look very good. Any suggestions? And no, I can't shoot the playwright.=20 --=20 Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2B4192E9-334A-45A0-A94D-EA3131CB6584 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Flaming Dessert Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:49:33 -0400 If restaurants can do it with liqueured up foods while walking through customers, why can't it be done onstage? Doesn't that seem a little odd? Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Phone: (860) 560-0771 Theaterworks, Hartford e-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:50:40 -0400 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: source for triple swivel casters In-Reply-To: References: On 10/23/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Jared, I don't even know what they are. Frank (Wood - FW), Triple swivel casters are 3 swivel casters mounted in a triangle pattern to a piece of plate steel. Above this plate steel is a mounting plate. The two plates are attached together by a bearing, allowing them to rotate. The upper mounting plate is attached to a wagon or platform. This allows the casters to rotate about the center of the bearing without the shifting or throwing that would occur if the swivel casters were mounted directly to the platform/wagon. These are always sometime refered to as "Zero-throw" casters. There is a good picture at http://www.centerlinestudios.com/caster_broadway.html Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jared Fortney" Subject: RE: Roll Drop Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <453d5a19.3fa803b6.467d.6378 [at] mx.google.com> Not that it does Moe much good, but to answer Jason's question, the tube in the bottom of both of our oleo drops is a custom fabricated unit that separates into, I think, three pieces. Although it looks pretty good from the house, the tube is anything but straight and the drop is extremely squeaky when the tent is quiet. -Jared Fortney Rigger Cirque du Soleil's Corteo >Was anyone on the Cirque "corteo" show? They had a huge roll/oleo >drop that somehow didn't ------------------------------ Message-ID: <453D5E19.5060403 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:09 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Flaming Dessert References: In-Reply-To: Thomas Grabowski wrote: > Our next production calls for a flaming dessert to be brought > onstage, lit and consumed onstage. I am trying to get the director to > consider another type of spectacular dessert that doesn't involve flame > due to NFPA 160. With the proximity of the audience to the effect > (15'), I don't think that faking the flame would look very good. Any > suggestions? And no, I can't shoot the playwright. My experience with flamed Plum Puddings suggests that the alcohol flame will be hard to see unless the light levels are very low. In the event you can basically do a "turn down the lights" cue, then a sleight of hand substitution might work, use a silk flame device of some sort. These can be quite believable. Rig some kind of controls so the flame can dim out, and then swap back to the real dessert before the lights come back on. Maybe some sort of compressed air or CO2 powered volcano type effect? You could build a cake tower around a central spike that 'erupted' chocolate or strawberry lava out the top and down the sides of the cake. At least the R&D would be fun and tasty! Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:21:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Roll Drop From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For what it's worth I saw the show in NYC and, sitting right down front, didn't hear it. Did Stefan have it oiled before I got there that night? <> Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 10/23/06 8:12 PM, "Jared Fortney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Not that it does Moe much good, but to answer Jason's question, the tube in > the bottom of both of our oleo drops is a custom fabricated unit that > separates into, I think, three pieces. Although it looks pretty good from > the house, the tube is anything but straight and the drop is extremely > squeaky when the tent is quiet. > > -Jared Fortney > Rigger > Cirque du Soleil's Corteo > >> Was anyone on the Cirque "corteo" show? They had a huge roll/oleo >> drop that somehow didn't > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #994 *****************************