Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 37251851; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:00:49 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1000 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:00:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1000 1. Simple 2D drawing software by David Duffy 2. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by Rigger 3. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by David Duffy 4. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by David Duffy 5. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by "Gerald George" 6. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by "Laura McMeley" 7. Re: almost free speakers by Jerry Durand 8. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by Jerry Durand 9. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by Bill Potter 10. Re: Drafting Title Boxes by "C. Dopher" 11. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by Samuel Jones 12. Re: Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by Mick Alderson 13. Re: dry ice fog redux by Andrew Vance 14. Re: Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by "John Vink" 16. Re: refinishing stage floor by KEITH ARSENAULT 17. Re: refinishing stage floor by Robert Graham 18. Re: draftnig title blocks by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 19. Re: refinishing stage floor by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 20. A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot by Edward Hunter 21. Re: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "RD" 23. Re: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot by "Jason Salvatori" 24. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 25. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by "Scott Parker" 26. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by John McKernon 27. Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY by "Scott Parker" 28. Venue Information Guides by Bruce Cooper 29. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <454333FA.2010302 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:42:02 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Simple 2D drawing software Hi there, Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost 2D drawing software? I'd like to document some of the bits I make up. (metal plates, etc) Google's Sketchup seems ok for 3D but not all that good for fast 2D. David... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:02:30 -0400 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software At 8:42 PM +1000 10/28/06, David Duffy wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost >2D drawing software? Define "lower cost." I've been using Adobe Illustrator for 2D work for nigh on a decade, purchased through the educational discount program for a distinctly un-Adobe-like price. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45434113.6000105 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:37:55 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > At 8:42 PM +1000 10/28/06, David Duffy wrote: > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost >> 2D drawing software? > > Define "lower cost." I've been using Adobe Illustrator for 2D work for > nigh on a decade, purchased through the educational discount program > for a distinctly un-Adobe-like price. Just found DesignCAD version 17. The price is right. (AU$49.95 download) There's also DesignCAD 3D Max for AU$99.95 Does anyone have any experience with them? (no trial versions) David... -- ___________________________________________ David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au ___________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:26:44 -0400 From: "Gerald George" Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY Scott, With the caveat that I *just* started switching over to V-works from AutoCAD... It appears to me that there are layers or layouts similar to the Paperspace in ACAD. In those layers, scaling is for a specific sheet size. That is the viewports into model space are scaled to fit a sheet, and text is placed at normal output sizes. If you put "normal" sized text into model space, it is scaled with the viewport... I dunno if that's what's happening, but maybe it will put you on track until one of the V-works gurus pops in. Jerry >>> scparker [at] gmail.com 10/27/2006 10:41 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Man am I having a problem with Vectorworks. All the text in all the label fields in all my lighting legends is doing very funky (bad funky) things! Most of the text, unit number, channel, etc.. is way too small. I have to bump it up to 36+ points. Then some of my fields split font sizes. The color field: if it has 4 digits, the last one character it HUGE! Any ideas???? This is a rep plot from someone else whose space I'm working in. So, I'm putting my own stuff into the plot. I have no idea how many versions of VW this copy has been through. I'm using VW 12.5. -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <010901c6fa91$26c674e0$0601a8c0 [at] tdolighting01> In-Reply-To: Sometimes when I have files doing really funky things I have found that copying everything and pasting it into a new file fixes it. Not always but it may be worth a try. Laura, LD Dallas, TX > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott > Parker > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:42 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Man am I having a problem with Vectorworks. All the text in all the > label fields in all my lighting legends is doing very funky (bad > funky) things! > Most of the text, unit number, channel, etc.. is way too small. I have > to bump it up to 36+ points. > Then some of my fields split font sizes. The color field: if it has 4 > digits, the last one character it HUGE! > > Any ideas???? > > This is a rep plot from someone else whose space I'm working in. So, > I'm putting my own stuff into the plot. I have no idea how many > versions of VW this copy has been through. > > I'm using VW 12.5. > > -- > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:16:05 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: almost free speakers In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Oct 27, 2006, at 11:48 PM, Bill Nelson wrote: > The page doesn't work for me. When I try to add them to my shopping > cart, > it shows that I ordered the LED flashlights instead. > Now that's different. You could give them a call. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:20:57 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software In-reply-to: Message-id: <91F5B59F-359B-4900-B300-77249FAAC2C1 [at] interstellar.com> References:

On Oct 28, 2006, at 5:03 AM, David Duffy wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with them? (no trial versions) There's a trial of the 3D version here: http://www.imsisoft.com/free_trials.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yep. VW handles the way you view your work VERY much like you would in hand drafting. (At least in my mind.) You draw on an actual page size in an actual scale and each layer can have a different scale. You can of course change any or all or the parameters, like page size, or scale whenever you like. To me, in AutoCad, you're drawing on the biggest piece of paper in the world (basically, everything is full scale,) and you deal with such trivialities like page size and scale when you got to print. I know AutoCad users who fall in love with VectorWorks the first time they have to print something. As to the text size issue, I'd check both the scale of the layers and I've also had luck with the copy to a new file trick. Good luck, Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 10/28/06 8:26 AM, "Gerald George" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Scott, > > With the caveat that I *just* started switching over to V-works from > AutoCAD... > > It appears to me that there are layers or layouts similar to the > Paperspace in ACAD. In those layers, scaling is for a specific sheet > size. That is the viewports into model space are scaled to fit a sheet, > and text is placed at normal output sizes. If you put "normal" sized > text into model space, it is scaled with the viewport... > > I dunno if that's what's happening, but maybe it will put you on track > until one of the V-works gurus pops in. > > Jerry > --------------------------------------------------- > > Man am I having a problem with Vectorworks. All the text in all the > label fields in all my lighting legends is doing very funky (bad > funky) things! > Most of the text, unit number, channel, etc.. is way too small. I have > to bump it up to 36+ points. > Then some of my fields split font sizes. The color field: if it has 4 > digits, the last one character it HUGE! > > Any ideas???? > > This is a rep plot from someone else whose space I'm working in. So, > I'm putting my own stuff into the plot. I have no idea how many > versions of VW this copy has been through. > > I'm using VW 12.5. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <952C9F39-927A-4674-8822-FF7E57F3E263 [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: Drafting Title Boxes Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:39:32 -0400 Michael Finney wrote: > (and for you AutoCAD users, the graphic scale is always within the > same > viewport as the drawing subject or in a separate viewport with the > same > xp scale as the main viewport...) And for you VW users, your scale bar should go in the annotations of the viewport. If you use a drawing label object, the scale will automatically be picked up and display correctly. As to the orignal questions, about disclaimers, its my understanding that they aren't going to be upheld in a court of law. I'd guess for them to be legally binding, you'd have to have a coversheet with all that disclaimer that comes back to you signed by the production electrician and the TD before work begins. Just a guess. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:15 -0700 Scott sent me the drawing. I was able to get the text to display normally by selecting all the fixtures on the plot and selecting the "Refresh Instruments" command. Normally, when you have nothing selected, VW will refresh all the fixtures in the drawing when the "Refresh Instruments" command is invoked, but not in this drawing. This makes me think the file might be slightly corrupted. I couldn't "break" anything else, so I don't know how urgent it might be to copy and paste to a new file. While it is tempting to think that the problem was a layer scale or viewport (paper space for ACAD people) scale problems, the fact that the label legend displayed its text incorrectly, but displayed its containers correctly pretty much ruled that out. If there had been no channel and circuit containers, the fact that the fixture the label legend was attached was displayed correctly would also pretty much rule scaling problems out. It is always good to remember that changes in linked text or PIO text on a VW document will not cause the automatic redraw that you would expect. Sam Samuel L. Jones Developer of AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu ============================================================ On Oct 28, 2006, at 7:27 AM, Bill Potter wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yep. VW handles the way you view your work VERY much like you would > in hand > drafting. (At least in my mind.) You draw on an actual page size in an > actual scale and each layer can have a different scale. You can of > course > change any or all or the parameters, like page size, or scale > whenever you > like. To me, in AutoCad, you're drawing on the biggest piece of > paper in the > world (basically, everything is full scale,) and you deal with such > trivialities like page size and scale when you got to print. > > I know AutoCad users who fall in love with VectorWorks the first > time they > have to print something. > > As to the text size issue, I'd check both the scale of the layers > and I've > also had luck with the copy to a new file trick. > > Good luck, > > Bill Potter > Technical Director > St. Paul's School > Concord NH > > > > On 10/28/06 8:26 AM, "Gerald George" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Scott, >> >> With the caveat that I *just* started switching over to V-works from >> AutoCAD... >> >> It appears to me that there are layers or layouts similar to the >> Paperspace in ACAD. In those layers, scaling is for a specific sheet >> size. That is the viewports into model space are scaled to fit a >> sheet, >> and text is placed at normal output sizes. If you put "normal" sized >> text into model space, it is scaled with the viewport... >> >> I dunno if that's what's happening, but maybe it will put you on >> track >> until one of the V-works gurus pops in. >> >> Jerry >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Man am I having a problem with Vectorworks. All the text in all the >> label fields in all my lighting legends is doing very funky (bad >> funky) things! >> Most of the text, unit number, channel, etc.. is way too small. I >> have >> to bump it up to 36+ points. >> Then some of my fields split font sizes. The color field: if it has 4 >> digits, the last one character it HUGE! >> >> Any ideas???? >> >> This is a rep plot from someone else whose space I'm working in. So, >> I'm putting my own stuff into the plot. I have no idea how many >> versions of VW this copy has been through. >> >> I'm using VW 12.5. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <454397A1.1030504 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:47:13 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes Richard wrote: > Dear Steve, > YES. On my designs, I put the warning immediately following the = > > copyright notice at the bottom of the box. Remember that you are = > > protecting the physical sheets themselves, as to someone mechanically = > > or electronically copying your 'D' or 'E' sheet(s), as well as using = > > your arrangement of design elements to recreate your design... < ...and that the user is cautioned to read all MSDSs = > > and review all applicable publications of the NFPA, OSHA, the NEC, = > > etc prior to attempting to use your design in conjunction with a show. > /s/ Richard = Good grief! A drawing with an EULA in the title block (like software)! And to think I've been telling my students that, at a bare MINIMUM, they need to include "What it is, Scale, and Who drew it". I never thought of a drawing as a legal document. But I suppose we are coming to that. (Sigh.) By the way, from later in this thread: If you put "Do not build from this drawing" on a drawing to CYA, and never provide final drawings, doesn't that open you to some sort of "errors and omissions" kind of law suit? Sooner or later SOMEBODY has to take responsibility for the show as drawn. Or do you just make sure the TD isn't legally savvy and doesn't own enough property to be worth suiting for? -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre Univ. of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <61419AA4-9F1B-4723-83CF-EE8E4FA9CFF5 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: dry ice fog redux Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:44:59 -0400 On 17 Oct, 2006, at 00:32 , Bruce Purdy wrote: > I'll do that! In the mean time, please do share the results of > your fog experiments. From our fog experiments from a week or so ago, here is what we discovered. We tried two methods of creating the dry ice fog look: standard dry ice run through a Le Maitre Peasouper and chilling the fog from a G300 via a DIY chilling device. I'm a big fan of the Peasouper. I've used it on much bigger stages than we have here to much success. Usually it'll give me between ankle and knee high fog covering the stage for about 5-7 minutes. I like that it heats up quickly, doesn't have any moving parts to make noise, and that its small enough to hide about anywhere. When we tried it in this theatre, though, it did disappoint me. Its probably due to the prevailing air currents, but it didn't create the volume of fog that was desired and it traveled across stage too quickly. As with all dry ice it tended to create a rising "moat" of fog as it fell off of the stage, in the area between the stage edge and the first row of seats. And with as many school matinees as we do for this production, we knew the audience would be more interested in playing with that fog than with what was the action onstage. For our DIY chiller, we used a version of the plans that Bruce had provided [http://gotfog.com/fog_machine_chiller.html]. Filling the cooler with standard ice from our ice machine and pumping the G300 through it, it created a very good facsimile of dry ice fog. It hung low to the ground, crept across stage at a much slower rate than dry ice [something we preferred], dissipated when it went off the edge of stage, didn't rise quickly, and dissipated quickly. It had an eerie tendril like quality to it that made it look like an organism creeping across stage instead of merely fog billowing across stage. This was a visual the design team really latched on to as it fit nicely into the action onstage at the time. For subsequent trials, we created a 50-50 mixture of rubbing alcohol and water, sealed the concoction in a double-layer of gallon sized ZipLock-type bags, and put them in the coldest freezer we could find. Because of the alcohol lowered the freezing point of the water, we were able to create cold-packs that are colder than the surrounding ice and maintain their temperature & liquid state for quite a while. We put these packs around the fog tunnel in the cooler to create a colder environment for the fog. As a result, the fog emerging from the unit has even more of a resemblance to traditional dry ice and it lasts longer at ground level while still maintaining the creepy, wispy look we liked so much. I was concerned about the look of the fog coming out of the chiller unit before the tests, but I was pleasantly surprised at the end result. It may not be as slick as an LSG, but it gets the job done for significantly less investment and significantly less noise. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:07:02 GMT Subject: Re: Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes Message-Id: <20061028.130801.833.673115 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Mick, I think that the entity pocketing the ticket money should be the one = bearing the risk of loss if there is a lawsuit. 'Do not build from = these plans' is a rational subterfuge until final payment is received. /s/ Richard ______________________________ I never thought of a drawing as a legal document. But I suppose we = are coming to that. (Sigh.) By the way, from later in this thread: If you put "Do not build from = this drawing" on a drawing to CYA, and never provide final drawings, = doesn't that open you to some sort of "errors and omissions" kind of = law suit? Sooner or later SOMEBODY has to take responsibility for the = show as drawn. Or do you just make sure the TD isn't legally savvy = and doesn't own enough property to be worth suiting for? Mick Alderson ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:23:13 -0600 From: "John Vink" Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software In-Reply-To: References:

I have DesignCad and find it a little awkward to use. I also have ProgeCAD LT 2006 and rather like using this software. I don't have a lot of experience using CAD software and yet I can create and edit simple drwaings using this software. A free version is available at: http://www.progecad.com/ John On 10/28/06, David Duffy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rigger wrote: > > At 8:42 PM +1000 10/28/06, David Duffy wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost > >> 2D drawing software? > > > > Define "lower cost." I've been using Adobe Illustrator for 2D work for > > nigh on a decade, purchased through the educational discount program > > for a distinctly un-Adobe-like price. > > Just found DesignCAD version 17. The price is right. (AU$49.95 download) > There's also DesignCAD 3D Max for AU$99.95 > Does anyone have any experience with them? (no trial versions) > David... > > -- > ___________________________________________ > David Duffy Audio Visual Devices P/L > Unit 8, 10 Hook St, Capalaba 4157 Australia > Ph: +61 7 38235717 Fax: +61 7 38234717 > New Web: www.audiovisualdevices.com.au > ___________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <6CA6B918-D9AA-4E5F-A145-2FBE1B01ED0B [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: refinishing stage floor Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:39:17 -0400 Black Linoleum or Battleship Grey linoleum isn't that unusual as a floor surface, in fact the TAMPA BAY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER when originally constructed had that ( black ) as the surface in the three performing venues and a in the rehearsal hall ( grey ) we are probably talking about heavy duty (probably Armstrong or equivalent ) industrial linoleum , over 3/8' thick with the jute backing, , he's not talking about ghetto kitchen linoleum you buy at the department store on credit. i remember TOURING with a battleship grey Armstrong linoleum, , , that ages me, , doesn't it ? On Oct 28, 2006, at 2:43 AM, Robert Graham wrote: Black linoleum?? I've never heard of linoleum on a deck. Am I nuts, or is this definitely something out of the ordinary? Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <113021C6-CC3F-464F-A0C3-4E8B777B1DC7 [at] gmail.com> From: Robert Graham Subject: Re: refinishing stage floor Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:05:07 -0400 I wasn't thinking about the 'ghetto stuff' actually. I just hadn't considered industrial linoleum (like the stuff in my props storage and costume shop) something I'd put on a stage deck. Especially considering the amount of abuse the deck gets. And I still say that you should get them to decide if you're 'refinishing' the floor, or 'replacing the floor.' Could mean the difference between a new coat of paint versus a completely new surface. Robert Graham Lighting Designer/Technical Director Lycoming College Theatre Department photonguide [at] gmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- 99% of the people in this world are idiots. The rest of us are in grave danger of contamination. --------------------------------------------------------- On Oct 28, 2006, at 5:39 PM, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Black Linoleum or Battleship Grey linoleum isn't that unusual as a > floor surface, > > in fact the TAMPA BAY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER when originally > constructed had that ( black ) as the surface in the three > performing venues and a in the rehearsal hall ( grey ) > > we are probably talking about heavy duty (probably Armstrong or > equivalent ) industrial linoleum , over 3/8' thick with the jute > backing, , he's not talking about ghetto kitchen linoleum you buy > at the department store on credit. > > > i remember TOURING with a battleship grey Armstrong linoleum, , , > that ages me, , doesn't it ? > > > > On Oct 28, 2006, at 2:43 AM, Robert Graham wrote: > > Black linoleum?? I've never heard of linoleum on a deck. Am I > nuts, or is this definitely something out of the ordinary? > > Keith L Arsenault > International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > www.iaeginc.com > > 813 831 3465 office > 813 205 0893 cellular > iaeg [at] aol.com > > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: draftnig title blocks Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:02:10 -0700 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299AEB [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" >Isn't 11x17 a little excessive for a title block? >=20 >Dave Vick Well, by the time I add the disclaimer in 6 point, the copyright, = address, show, name, title, producer, friend of producer, address of = theatre, scale, address of producers' girlfriends, scale, sheet number, = revision number, date, logo, scale of producers' boyfriend . . .=20 I think 11x17 is too small. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:03:53 GMT Subject: Re: refinishing stage floor Message-Id: <20061028.160427.15735.662656 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> For many years, we laid down 3'x3' squares of black linoleum for the = Tonight Show, starring Johnny Carson. It worked well providing the = right reflectivity for the show lighting while allowing the camera = dollies (that were MUCH heavier than we use today) to roll smoothly. /s/ Richard ___________________________ Black Linoleum or Battleship Grey linoleum isn't that unusual as a = floor surface, in fact the TAMPA BAY PERFORMING ARTS CENTER when = originally constructed had that ( black ) as the surface in the three = performing venues and a in the rehearsal hall ( grey ) we are = probably talking about heavy duty (probably Armstrong or equivalent) = industrial linoleum , over 3/8' thick with the jute backing, he's not = talking about ghetto kitchen linoleum you buy at the department store = on credit. i remember TOURING with a battleship grey Armstrong = linoleum, that ages me, , doesn't it ? ______________________________ On Oct 28, 2006, at 2:43 AM, Robert Graham wrote: Black linoleum?? I've never heard of linoleum on a deck. Am I nuts, = or is this definitely something out of the ordinary? Keith L Arsenault ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:09:24 -0700 From: Edward Hunter Subject: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot Reply-to: Ed.Hunter [at] Sun.COM Message-id: <4543E324.30106 [at] Sun.COM> I have a chance to update the rep plot colors at a venue I work at. They're currently using x08 and x64 (but they're pretty washed out at this point). Anyway, I thought I'd take a quick poll on what people like to use in their rep plots. The main requirement is that the colors basically mix to white so that random lectures and things can happen in the space. So with that I'm interested in what the collective wisdom of the list is. Thanks. -edh -- ------------------------------ Subject: RE: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A069486C1 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: Ed.Hunter [at] Sun.COM > I have a chance to update the rep plot colors at a venue I work at. =20 > They're currently using x08 and x64 (but they're pretty=20 > washed out at this point). Anyway, I thought I'd take a=20 > quick poll on what people like to use in their rep plots. =20 > The main requirement is that the colors basically mix to=20 > white so that random lectures and things can happen in=20 > the space. So with that I'm interested in what the=20 > collective wisdom=20 > of the list is. Thanks. The suggestion here is...if you're trying to achieve white for lectures and such, put a set of N/C instruments up there. Your photographers will thank you, and you'll save $ on gel. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:19:16 -0600 Message-ID: <002d01c6faef$deadfcf0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: The only misgiving I have about anyone repairing a commercial product, manufactured by a company to their specifications and Quality Control is: If by any chance, any at all, someone were injured on that repaired item, he or she who repaired it, now being the manufacturer, would be directly liable, if it was due to any of the repairs or changes or adaptations. Perhaps Richard can speak to this. I can only speak to this as a Certified Product Analyst dealing in Product Liability and law suits I have been involved in dealing with this type of theatrical practice. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:44 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I'm helping a local high school repair their lighting inventory of > Altman 360 6x12s - the older ones with off axis lamp mounts. The > Photometrics Handbook recommends DNT or DEB lamps. Is anyone familiar > enough with these fixtures to know if it would work to install EGG or > EGE lamps instead? One of our local community theatres has a few of these intruments. I think they use EGE lamps. I will try to remember to check when I get over there tomorrow. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780610281819j5e801faeof653f241c388bdf3 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:19:44 -0400 From: "Jason Salvatori" Cc: Ed.Hunter [at] sun.com Subject: Re: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot In-Reply-To: References: I am currently using Rosco 02 and 62 from the front, 16 and 80 from the top. Fronts mix slightly warm off white, tops can make it look bakingly hot, or midnight blue, or many areas between to help set "mood" Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse > I have a chance to update the rep plot colors at a venue I work at. > They're currently using x08 and x64 (but they're pretty washed out at > this point). Anyway, I thought I'd take a quick poll on what people > like to use in their rep plots. The main requirement is that the colors > basically mix to white so that random lectures and things can happen in > the space. So with that I'm interested in what the collective wisdom > of the list is. Thanks. > -edh > > -- > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:24:31 GMT Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Message-Id: <20061028.182529.15735.663002 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> I must concur with Doom on this one. Should there be a loss, whomever = retrofitted the instrument, even with a non-specified lamp, would be = primarily liable, and the manufacturer, distributor, and retailer = could look to them for indemnification, should they get sued. This = includes, but is in no way limited to, the cost of their defense in = the suit, even if they win, as well as any damages awarded by a court = if they lose. Many jurisdictions have adopted a statutory scheme that = encompasses 'Comparative Negligence', so if you were only found to be = 10% at fault in a million dollar award, for example, you would still = owe a $100,000 'contribution' to the plaintiff. In the irrational = world of jury verdicts, someone removing a pop rivet to do a repair, = and replacing the rivet with a properly sized screw and lock-nut that = later loosens and something separates, could expose that person doing = the repair to liability. Additionally, it only takes a minor change = in the final assembly of a product to void a UL listing, and a person = who does the alteration can quickly become a cross-defendant in court. /s/ Richard ___________________________________ The only misgiving I have about anyone repairing a commercial product, manufactured by a company to their specifications and Quality Control = is: = If by any chance, any at all, someone were injured on that repaired = item, he or she who repaired it, now being the manufacturer, would be = directly liable, if it was due to any of the repairs or changes or = adaptations. Perhaps Richard can speak to this. I can only speak to = this as a Certified Product Analyst dealing in Product Liability and = law suits I have been involved in dealing with this type of = theatrical practice. = Dr. doom = > I'm helping a local high school repair their lighting inventory of > Altman 360 6x12s - the older ones with off axis lamp mounts. The > Photometrics Handbook recommends DNT or DEB lamps. Is anyone = familiar enough with these fixtures to know if it would work to = install EGG or EGE lamps instead? ______________________________ One of our local community theatres has a few of these intruments. I = think they use EGE lamps. I will try to remember to check when I get = over there tomorrow. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980610281844w2d448d90q2504ea80d8d70b89 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:44:23 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY In-Reply-To: References:

Hi All, Thanks for your suggestions. Nothing has worked so far. Most likely, I'm just going to redo the plot. It's taking longer to trouble shoot this rep plot then it would to start over. For those who are curious, I've posted a couple of captures of the problems. http://tinyurl.com/yc2rrr Back to the drafting board... Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:15:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Thanks for your suggestions. Nothing has worked so far. Most likely, > I'm just going to redo the plot. It's taking longer to trouble shoot > this rep plot then it would to start over. Did you try copying everything from the errant drawing into an entirely new one? - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980610282057h5986cc9dte953d8e41bdcf5c4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:57:38 -0400 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Vectorworks: ACK! Legend labels going CrAzY In-Reply-To: References:

Hi John, I just tried that again.... I think I've found a bug as I can reproduce my problems in a brand new document from scratch. It seems to have something to do with the fonts I'm choosing. I've not run into this before when choosing the same fonts (technic, countryblueprint) in earlier versions of VW. I'll post the steps I used to reproduce my results in a day or three. I have to get my plot in better shape for this week. Thanks, Scott On 10/28/06, John McKernon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for your suggestions. Nothing has worked so far. Most likely, > > I'm just going to redo the plot. It's taking longer to trouble shoot > > this rep plot then it would to start over. > > Did you try copying everything from the errant drawing into an entirely new > one? > > - John > > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1162106133.45445515b1a16 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:15:33 -0600 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Venue Information Guides Ladies/Germs: A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue information guides regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion followed, which I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let languish. Well, now I've finally taken the information received and placed it online for the world to enjoy. It's the first draft, but already pretty extensive. I expect that it'll get more so, as people give more and more input. Give it a looky-loo, if you would. So, without further ado, a linky: ========== http://ledworklights.com/venue-info.html ========== ****Arena,flexible, and otherwise non-proscenium people: Yes, the document is decidedly biased towards proscenium arrangements right now. Help me change that.***** Cheers, all. :Bruce Cooper -- LED Worklight Systems, LLC 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1075.205.215.254.183.1162110977.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS From: "Bill Nelson" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net > The only misgiving I have about anyone repairing a commercial product, > manufactured by a company to their specifications and Quality Control is: > If by any chance, any at all, someone were injured on that repaired item, > he or she who repaired it, now being the manufacturer, would be directly > liable, if it was due to any of the repairs or changes or adaptations. > Perhaps Richard can speak to this. I can only speak to this as a Certified > Product Analyst dealing in Product Liability and law suits I have been > involved in dealing with this type of theatrical practice. > Dr. doom I don't think using a lamp that was not originally available would be considered "manufacturing". As long as the wattage is the same or lower, the lamps should work fine - assuming the filament is in the right place to get a good sharp focus. The 360s that we have appear to have been manufactured with bi-pin sockets. The modern compact filament lamps should be more efficient and actually heat the instrument less than the original specified lamps. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1000 ******************************