Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 37305159; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:01:32 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,EMPTY_MESSAGE, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1001 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:00:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1001 1. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 2. Re: Cold Weather Clothing by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Re: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot by "Bill Nelson" 4. Re: Venue Information Guides by "Matthew Breton" 5. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "Bill Nelson" 6. Re: Venue Information Guides by Michael de Almeida 7. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by Mick Alderson 8. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 9. CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by "Gerald George" 10. Re: Venue Information Guides by Bruce Cooper 11. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "Bill Nelson" 12. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by "Jon Ares" 13. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by "Bill Nelson" 14. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by "Gerald George" 15. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 16. Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by MissWisc [at] aol.com 17. Re: Venue Information Guides by Steve Shelley 18. Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by Jerry Durand 19. Re: Venue Information Guides by "Kent Laue" 20. Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by MissWisc [at] aol.com 21. Re: Venue Information Guides by Steve Shelley 22. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by Dale farmer 23. Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by "Paul Schreiner" 24. Re: Venue Information Guides by "Jonathan Wills" 25. Venue Information Guides by CB 26. Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 27. Re: Venue Information Guides by "Tom Heemskerk" 28. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by Michael de Almeida 29. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by David Duffy 30. Re: Simple 2D drawing software by David Duffy 31. Columns by "Jonathan S. Deull" 32. Re: Columns by MissWisc [at] aol.com 33. Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes by "RD" 34. Re: Columns by "Paul Schreiner" 35. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs by Tony Kambic *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:11:00 GMT Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Message-Id: <20061029.031130.18186.730886 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Dear Bill, Even if all that is true, the lamp LCL and MOL are identical, and the = heat generated is less, it still provides a way for the manufacturer = to disclaim responsibility and UL to testify in court that whatever = bad thing happened was caused by the use of an unlisted device. /s/ Richard _________________________________ I don't think using a lamp that was not originally available would be considered "manufacturing". As long as the wattage is the same or = lower, the lamps should work fine - assuming the filament is in the = right place to get a good sharp focus. The 360s that we have appear to have been manufactured with bi-pin sockets. The modern compact filament lamps should be more efficient = and actually heat the instrument less than the original specified = lamps. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00ce01c6fb55$c4bf2150$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Cold Weather Clothing Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:28:40 -1000 << Silk underwear and thinsulate have made the snowman look passe. Don't even need layers of down anymore. My leather jacket is heavier than my winter coat. Check out Lands End.>> Sheesh... what's wrong with you people? My winter coat has long sleeves. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1216.205.215.254.183.1162127380.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:09:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: A quick poll on favorite warm/cool colors for a rep plot From: "Bill Nelson" > The suggestion here is...if you're trying to achieve white for lectures > and such, put a set of N/C instruments up there. Your photographers > will thank you, and you'll save $ on gel. NC instruments are NOT really no color. There are all sorts of color temperature lamps, and few approximate daylight or what a photographer considers "incandescent". The movie/television industry have a series of standard gels to manage the color shifts necessary. One reason that standard gels can be used is that they use lamps of a specified color temperature - always at full intensity. Light reduction is managed by increasing distance, enlarging the beam width, ND filters or gobos/diffusers. With decent digital cameras, colors are less important, as long as the intensities of the various instruments does not change. The photographer will use a standard reference card to set the camera's color balance. Or the photographer may simply photograph a standard color reference card and do the corrections in post processing. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Venue Information Guides Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:01:54 -0500 > A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue information >guides >regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion followed, >which >I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let languish. >Well, now >I've finally taken the information received and placed it online for the >world >to enjoy. USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their website). IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information up front, where you seem to load the technical information first; I think both layouts are necessary as they target different users (company manager v. production manager.) You did a good job of wrangling together much of the necessary information. I didn't see much in the way of control or playback in both the audio and lighting sections -- speakers, mixers, lighting consoles -- not to mention A/V equipment such as projectors and screens, etc. And yes, it's heavily weighted toward proscenium theaters. I'd be delighted to see a document which was robust enough to include high school auditoriums, outside stadiums, and hotel ballrooms: in other words, the gamut of locations we're bound to use. -- Matt _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1333.205.215.254.183.1162130907.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:08:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS From: "Bill Nelson" > Even if all that is true, the lamp LCL and MOL are identical, and the > heat generated is less, it still provides a way for the manufacturer > to disclaim responsibility and UL to testify in court that whatever > bad thing happened was caused by the use of an unlisted device. Hm, I wonder. The UL label on one of my instruments states something like "Use only with EHG or FLK type lamps." Another states something like "Use with 750 watt HPL lamps only". These seem to only limit allowed usage to compact filament halogen lamps (with the proper lamp base) - without any other restriction. Is my interpretation incorrect? Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3532F458-B814-4D29-8595-2DF4471DE425 [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:47:32 -0500 On Oct 29, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Matthew Breton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue >> information guides >> regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion >> followed, which >> I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let >> languish. Well, now >> I've finally taken the information received and placed it online >> for the world >> to enjoy. > > > USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical > Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their > website). IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information > up front, Also check out http://www.stagespecs.com/ Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Phone: (860) 560-0771 Theaterworks, Hartford e-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4544C166.4090202 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:57:42 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software David Duffy wrote: > Hi there, > Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost 2D drawing software? > I'd like to document some of the bits I make up. (metal plates, etc) > Google's Sketchup seems ok for 3D but not all that good for fast 2D. > David... I'd suggest you check out the "Draw" module of the "Openoffice.org" office suite. "Openoffice.org" is a full office suite that also includes a word processor, speadsheet, etc., and is available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from their website. (I use it as a replacement for M$ Office on my laptop). "Draw" is not a _true_ CAD program and only does 2D, but it IS still pretty capable, and is FREE. It is really a "drawing" program, but can work in scale, does dimensions, and is pretty easy to use, especially if you are already familiar with other CAD programs. It even has a way to do symbols. I put a "sort of" tutorial on my web site for my students: http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/alderson/draw/Draw-as-CAD.html It needs a few work-arounds to make it do large-sheet CAD, but I've used CAD programs that needed harder work-arounds to use! ;-) It costs nothing to try or use, and if you only need it ocassionally, it might be all you need. -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre Univ. of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:17:34 GMT Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Message-Id: <20061029.071803.15735.664220 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Bill, You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. /s/ Richard _____________________ > Even if all that is true, the lamp LCL and MOL are identical, and = the heat generated is less, it still provides a way for the = manufacturer to disclaim responsibility and UL to testify in court = that whatever bad thing happened was caused by the use of an unlisted = device. ________________________ Hm, I wonder. The UL label on one of my instruments states something like "Use only = with EHG or FLK type lamps." Another states something like "Use with = 750 watt HPL lamps only". These seem to only limit allowed usage to compact filament halogen = lamps (with the proper lamp base) - without any other restriction. Is my interpretation incorrect? Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:00:50 -0500 From: "Gerald George" Subject: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs Hi again folks! Once again, an appeal to the collective wisdom of the list... In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs. I am unsure exactly what makes them non-dimmable so: 1) Do they put out a normal AC sine wave? 2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims? 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? Thanks! Jerry G. D. George Technical Director and Lighting Designer Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts Salisbury University Salisbury, MD 21801 gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1162139024.4544d5902c00a [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:23:44 -0600 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides References: In-Reply-To: > USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical > Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their website). > > IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information up front, where > you seem to load the technical information first; I think both layouts are > necessary as they target different users (company manager v. production > manager.) OK, consider this a parallel resource. I'll also try to keep this one a bit more up-to-date. Oh, and if there seems to be a need, I can put together an actual 'format' to follow. I was simply trying to collect the info and collate it. Also, if anyone is interested, I can begin work on coverting this into an XML spec [for you geek types out there] > > You did a good job of wrangling together much of the necessary information. > > I didn't see much in the way of control or playback in both the audio and > lighting sections -- speakers, mixers, lighting consoles -- not to mention > A/V equipment such as projectors and screens, etc. I welcome input from all manner of folks. Tell me what to put in that section, and I'll be more than happy to accomodate. > > And yes, it's heavily weighted toward proscenium theaters. I'd be delighted > to see a document which was robust enough to include high school > auditoriums, outside stadiums, and hotel ballrooms: in other words, the > gamut of locations we're bound to use. I'll do my best. Once again, I'll need some help. :Bruce -- LED Worklight Systems, LLC 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1618.205.215.254.183.1162139376.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:29:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS From: "Bill Nelson" > You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. Interesting. So even replacing a defective lamp base could be considered "manufacturing", correct? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003701c6fb77$bd4714b0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:31:52 -0800 > In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs. I am unsure > exactly what makes them non-dimmable so: > > 1) Do they put out a normal AC sine wave? > > 2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other > automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims? > > 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? > I've got a rack of CD-80 AEs in one space, and it has 2 'non-dim' modules, but they are actually 'constant modules.' In other words, they're nothing more than 20A breakers (no chokes, no electronics). These are not controllable by the board, and just pass through the 120V (or whatever) straight through to whichever circuits they're plugged in to. Is this what you have, Jerry, or do you have some sort of 'smart' non-dim that is controllable from the board? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1624.205.215.254.183.1162139843.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:37:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs From: "Bill Nelson" > In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs. I am unsure > exactly what makes them non-dimmable so: > 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? I suspect this would depend on your particular light board. On the basic board that I use, there is no control of a dimmer unless assigned to a channel. However, I have never tried to park a non-assigned dimmer. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:37:18 -0500 From: "Gerald George" Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs They're actual packs, in the dimmer rack. Each pack has one dimmer and one non-dim. The non-dims do not pass the current directly through, however, unless the channel to which they are assigned is at full. The dimmer profile is set to normal on the board so I'm guessing that they are pretty much the same thing you have. I just want to make sure that they're not putting out some odd-sine wave back-to-back-DC that would fry the electronics and the fan motors in the ALFs. Thanks, Jerry >>> jonares [at] hevanet.com 10/29/2006 11:31 AM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs. I am unsure > exactly what makes them non-dimmable so: > > 1) Do they put out a normal AC sine wave? > > 2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other > automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims? > > 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? > I've got a rack of CD-80 AEs in one space, and it has 2 'non-dim' modules, but they are actually 'constant modules.' In other words, they're nothing more than 20A breakers (no chokes, no electronics). These are not controllable by the board, and just pass through the 120V (or whatever) straight through to whichever circuits they're plugged in to. Is this what you have, Jerry, or do you have some sort of 'smart' non-dim that is controllable from the board? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:58:23 GMT Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Message-Id: <20061029.085923.8266.730528 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> You could probably replace the damaged base with a new base having = the same specifications, dimensions, and made of the same materials, = including alloys in the socket portion and at least the same heat = rating on ceramic and thermoplastic parts, with impunity. Again, that = would be the SAME style of base, not a functional equivalent. And = yes, plaintiff's lawyers and prosecutors will examine items with an = Electron Microscope in an attempt to prove it was not an EXACT = replacement used, if the injury or economic loss was severe enough. = Then they bring a Metallurgical expert in to testify, and then Doom. /s/ Richard _______________________________ > You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. = Interesting. So even replacing a defective lamp base could be considered "manufacturing", correct? Bill ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <326.e893cd5.32763a5f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:09:51 EST Subject: Re:MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com writes: << It also didn't give ingredients, so looking up the correct MSDS might be tough. Shouldn't labels be required to at least give you which MSDS to look up? >> Chip - The individual ingredient list isn't much help. You need the MSDS for that particular product AS IT IS USED and you should be able to get the current MSDS from the products manufacturer. E.g.... A common ingredient in beauty products (and thousands of other products for the home) is titanium dioxide. It's a mineral that's ground up to create an opaque powder which can be used as a physical sun screen, and is often used to give products a whiter appearance, among other things. Were you to read the MSDS for just that ingredient, you'd never use soap or toothpaste again... it's NASTY stuff all by itself. But the amounts in the products you use combined with the other ingredients make it VERY safe! It's even found in products for babies. Remember... water, consumed in enough quantity and within limited time, can be lethal. Cars, guns, chemicals... the safety is all in how you use it. Bless you for wanting to be safer! HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:25:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello matt; I ran around the usitt site for 10 minutes. As usual, I was unable to find the standard tech info packet. I know I've seen it; I just can't find it in that site. Could you provide the direct link for me and others who are "slow with mouse"? Thanks shelley On 10/29/06 9:01 AM, "Matthew Breton" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue information >> guides >> regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion followed, >> which >> I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let languish. >> Well, now >> I've finally taken the information received and placed it online for the >> world >> to enjoy. > > > USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical > Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their website). > IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information up front, where > you seem to load the technical information first; I think both layouts are > necessary as they target different users (company manager v. production > manager.) > > You did a good job of wrangling together much of the necessary information. > I didn't see much in the way of control or playback in both the audio and > lighting sections -- speakers, mixers, lighting consoles -- not to mention > A/V equipment such as projectors and screens, etc. > > And yes, it's heavily weighted toward proscenium theaters. I'd be delighted > to see a document which was robust enough to include high school > auditoriums, outside stadiums, and hotel ballrooms: in other words, the > gamut of locations we're bound to use. > > > -- Matt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://space > s.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:29:16 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061029092624.011df550 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 09:09 AM 10/29/2006, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: >E.g.... A common ingredient in beauty products (and thousands of other >products for the home) is titanium dioxide. It's a mineral that's >ground up to >create an opaque powder which can be used as a physical sun >screen, and is often >used to give products a whiter appearance, among other things. Were you to >read the MSDS for just that ingredient, you'd never use soap or toothpaste >again... it's NASTY stuff all by itself. But the amounts in the >products you use >combined with the other ingredients make it VERY safe! It's even found in >products for babies. One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its variants is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen. I guess if it's in a drug, I'm not sure what makes it safe in Head-On. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9e6bc3f30610290951t7308acdfm921ed2c8f2d9f5dc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:51:33 -0600 From: "Kent Laue" Reply-To: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides In-Reply-To: References:

Actually, if you look on Bruce's site, he actually liknks directly to USITT downloads - http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/go.php?to=ItemList&category=Downloads or more direct for the rest of us - http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/downloads/U84%20StandardTechInfo20050609.pdf ~Kent On 10/29/06, Steve Shelley wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello matt; > > I ran around the usitt site for 10 minutes. As usual, I was unable to find > the standard tech info packet. I know I've seen it; I just can't find it in > that site. Could you provide the direct link for me and others who are "slow > with mouse"? > > Thanks > > shelley > > > On 10/29/06 9:01 AM, "Matthew Breton" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue information > >> guides > >> regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion followed, > >> which > >> I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let languish. > >> Well, now > >> I've finally taken the information received and placed it online for the > >> world > >> to enjoy. > > > > > > USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical > > Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their website). > > IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information up front, where > > you seem to load the technical information first; I think both layouts are > > necessary as they target different users (company manager v. production > > manager.) > > > > You did a good job of wrangling together much of the necessary information. > > I didn't see much in the way of control or playback in both the audio and > > lighting sections -- speakers, mixers, lighting consoles -- not to mention > > A/V equipment such as projectors and screens, etc. > > > > And yes, it's heavily weighted toward proscenium theaters. I'd be delighted > > to see a document which was robust enough to include high school > > auditoriums, outside stadiums, and hotel ballrooms: in other words, the > > gamut of locations we're bound to use. > > > > > > -- Matt > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://space > > s.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us > > > > -- > Steve Shelley > SoftSymbols Designer > MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net > www.fieldtemplate.com > > > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:56:29 EST Subject: Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: << One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its variants is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen. I guess if it's in a drug, I'm not sure what makes it safe in Head-On. >> I've never heard of this product. "Active" ingredients are ingredients that cause clinically recognized results, according to the FDA. LOTS of things in medicines are bad for us if taken in large enough quantities - or taken by people who have "contraindications". Things like blood thinner and chemotherapy drugs are bad for the body, but can be beneficial to health in the right situation. That's why prescriptions are needed for them. The way chemicals get into the body is important to their "safety" too. Things can be swallowed, inhaled or placed on the skin. Vitamin E molecule is too large to be absorbed through the skin, but it is readily absorbed when swallowed. Perhaps potassium dichromate isn't absorbed transdermally? Perhaps it changes when exposed to air? I don't know. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:06:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Whew. Thanks ken. And bruce. shelley On 10/29/06 12:51 PM, "Kent Laue" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Actually, if you look on Bruce's site, he actually liknks directly to > USITT downloads - > http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/go.php?to=ItemList&category=Downloads > or more direct for the rest of us - > http://www.usitt.org/bookstore/downloads/U84%20StandardTechInfo20050609.pdf > ~Kent > > On 10/29/06, Steve Shelley wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello matt; >> >> I ran around the usitt site for 10 minutes. As usual, I was unable to find >> the standard tech info packet. I know I've seen it; I just can't find it in >> that site. Could you provide the direct link for me and others who are "slow >> with mouse"? >> >> Thanks >> >> shelley >> >> >> On 10/29/06 9:01 AM, "Matthew Breton" wrote: >> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>> A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted about venue information >>>> guides >>>> regarding what information they should contain. Some discussion followed, >>>> which >>>> I dutifully copied into an OpenOffice document and then let languish. >>>> Well, now >>>> I've finally taken the information received and placed it online for the >>>> world >>>> to enjoy. >>> >>> >>> USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical >>> Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their website). >>> IIRC, the USITT doc puts more of the general information up front, where >>> you seem to load the technical information first; I think both layouts are >>> necessary as they target different users (company manager v. production >>> manager.) >>> >>> You did a good job of wrangling together much of the necessary information. >>> I didn't see much in the way of control or playback in both the audio and >>> lighting sections -- speakers, mixers, lighting consoles -- not to mention >>> A/V equipment such as projectors and screens, etc. >>> >>> And yes, it's heavily weighted toward proscenium theaters. I'd be delighted >>> to see a document which was robust enough to include high school >>> auditoriums, outside stadiums, and hotel ballrooms: in other words, the >>> gamut of locations we're bound to use. >>> >>> >>> -- Matt >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spa >>> ce >>> s.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us >>> >> >> -- >> Steve Shelley >> SoftSymbols Designer >> MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net >> www.fieldtemplate.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4544F7E4.5070901 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:50:12 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Bill, > Even if all that is true, the lamp LCL and MOL are identical, and the > heat generated is less, it still provides a way for the manufacturer > to disclaim responsibility and UL to testify in court that whatever > bad thing happened was caused by the use of an unlisted device. > /s/ Richard > _________________________________ > > I don't think using a lamp that was not originally available would be > considered "manufacturing". As long as the wattage is the same or > lower, the lamps should work fine - assuming the filament is in the > right place to get a good sharp focus. > > The 360s that we have appear to have been manufactured with bi-pin > sockets. The modern compact filament lamps should be more efficient > and actually heat the instrument less than the original specified > lamps. > Bill > > > > But if the bulb maker labels the bulb as a compatible replacement for the XYZ, then you are good to go. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:07:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A069486F4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > << One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and=20 > its variants is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen. I=20 > guess if it's in a drug, I'm not sure what makes it safe in=20 > Head-On. >> > =20 >=20 > I've never heard of this product.=20 Lucky you. Everyone else, all together: "Head-On! Apply directly to the forehead! Head-On! Apply directly to the forehead! Head-On! Apply directly to the forehead!" ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:17:19 -0400 From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides In-Reply-To: References:

Well we are through out those sites I would also through out www.Venuecads.com We already have several venues in the database and are getting ready to implement a way to add venues to the database from a webpage, database searching and will probably implement some of these standards for the venues we have and those to be added to help make it a better resource. Thanks, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting & Stage www.WillsLighting.com www.VenueCads.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061029115811.017c6298 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:58:11 From: CB Subject: Venue Information Guides >It's the first draft, but already pretty extensive. I expect that >it'll get more so, as people give more and more input Well, the sound part is pretty vague still. You can tell you're a squint, as you list not only the crontrol surface for the lighting, but also what it controls. ; > You may want to add: Amp/speaker config and location, how and if the visiting show can use the cluster, whatever. Distance from deck to spot booth, if there are dry lines, and how many. Hearing disabled assist sytems, and backstage monitor/page systems available, and if they can be patched into and how. How much of the area in the pit and under the stage will be available, and how much is actually being used for storage and we'll have to work our crap around it... Oh, and under local facilities available, close to the venue *and* close to the hotel, which, depemnding on the CM's sense of humor may not be the same thing. Try to find a fluff and fold in either or both locations as well. Where do the local's go to drink afterwards? I mean, really... Other than that, it should be available online, and I'd be a danged happy skweek! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:33:02 GMT Subject: Re: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS Message-Id: <20061029.113359.18186.732091 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> OK, but the question then becomes: How many thousand of dollars are = you willing to spend to absolve yourself from liability?, rather = than: How many thousands of dollars will you be forced to pay if = someone gets hurt, or there is property damage? Either way, you lose. = Sometimes the only way to win is not to play; let someone else change- out the lamp base if you do not have EXACT replacement/tools in hand. /s/ Richard _________________________ > Dear Bill, > Even if all that is true, the lamp LCL and MOL are identical, and = the heat generated is less, it still provides a way for the = manufacturer to disclaim responsibility and UL to testify in court = that whatever bad thing happened was caused by the use of an unlisted = device. > /s/ Richard > _________________________________ > = > I don't think using a lamp that was not originally available would = be considered "manufacturing". As long as the wattage is the same or = > lower, the lamps should work fine - assuming the filament is in the = > right place to get a good sharp focus. > = > The 360s that we have appear to have been manufactured with bi-pin > sockets. The modern compact filament lamps should be more efficient = > and actually heat the instrument less than the original specified = > lamps. > Bill __________________________> = But if the bulb maker labels the bulb as a compatible replacement = for the XYZ, then you are good to go. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: Re: Venue Information Guides Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:50:32 -0800 > >USITT already beat you to the punch, with their "Standard Technical >Information Packet" specification for venues (available from their >website). > Some credit is due to the Canada Council for the Arts, which once published Canadian venue specs in a standardized form (affectionately known as the Purple Binders, now obsolete) that preceded the USITT publication by a couple of decades. The influence is apparent, which is all good. th _________________________________________________________________ Say hello to the next generation of Search. Live Search � try it now. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8D024999-1B09-43CF-B104-C74D195703FC [at] comcast.net> From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:01:08 -0500 On Oct 29, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Gerald George wrote: > > 1) Do they put out a normal AC sine wave? > > 2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other > automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims? > > 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? Hey Jerry, They should be regular non-dim modules. These are basically DMX relays, on and off. You should be able to change the dimmer curve or set them parked on from the CD80 control module, if your console can't. I don't have the CD80 manual in front of me and can't remember how to do it off the top of my head. I would try and do it on the console so you can have control of them from there. Most consoles should be able to park dimmers without assigning it to a channel, or at least they should. :-) Good luck. Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Phone: (860) 560-0771 Theaterworks, Hartford e-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45451818.3030408 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:07:36 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software References: In-Reply-To: Mick Alderson wrote: > David Duffy wrote: >> Hi there, >> Does anyone have any recommendations for lower cost 2D drawing software? >> I'd like to document some of the bits I make up. (metal plates, etc) >> Google's Sketchup seems ok for 3D but not all that good for fast 2D. >> David... > > I'd suggest you check out the "Draw" module of the "Openoffice.org" > office suite. "Openoffice.org" is a full office suite that also > includes a word processor, speadsheet, etc., and is available for > Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from their website. (I use > it as a replacement for M$ Office on my laptop). > > "Draw" is not a _true_ CAD program and only does 2D, but it IS still > pretty capable, and is FREE. It is really a "drawing" program, but can > work in scale, does dimensions, and is pretty easy to use, especially > if you are already familiar with other CAD programs. It even has a way > to do symbols. I put a "sort of" tutorial on my web site for my students: > > http://www.uwosh.edu/faculty_staff/alderson/draw/Draw-as-CAD.html > > It needs a few work-arounds to make it do large-sheet CAD, but I've > used CAD programs that needed harder work-arounds to use! ;-) It costs > nothing to try or use, and if you only need it ocassionally, it might > be all you need. Thanks Mick, I actually have Open Office installed but one of the guys that works for me said it wasn't suitable. I'll check it out in more detail today. David... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <454518B2.7050305 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:10:10 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: Simple 2D drawing software References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > On Oct 28, 2006, at 5:03 AM, David Duffy wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience with them? (no trial versions) > > There's a trial of the 3D version here: > http://www.imsisoft.com/free_trials.asp Yeah, I downloaded that one. It's not bad but not in my price range. Seems ok but a little complicated. The cheap one may be suitable. David... ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: Columns Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c6fbb1$9e64d7f0$7c01a8c0 [at] M60> The first in a series of questions, the answers to which I know are all = in the archives... Does anyone have a source for inexpensive, non-load-bearing classical-looking columns? Ionic, Doric, Corinthian, doesn't matter. = Show is Metamorphoses. We just have too much to do dealing with the pool to = get involved with building columns if we can possibly avoid doing so.=20 Thanks. Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=20 Jonathan S. Deull Performing Arts Department Edmund Burke School email: jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com web:=A0=A0 www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <58a.5d78120.32769523 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:37:07 EST Subject: Re: Columns Try prom supply companies like Stumps, Hardings, or Anderson. Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:20:33 -0700 Message-ID: <005801c6fbb9$37638b70$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Infinite number of books in medical libraries (mine too) on Dosages. Worth pursuing. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:56 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: MSDAS was Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: << One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its variants is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen. I guess if it's in a drug, I'm not sure what makes it safe in Head-On. >> I've never heard of this product. "Active" ingredients are ingredients that cause clinically recognized results, according to the FDA. LOTS of things in medicines are bad for us if taken in large enough quantities - or taken by people who have "contraindications". Things like blood thinner and chemotherapy drugs are bad for the body, but can be beneficial to health in the right situation. That's why prescriptions are needed for them. The way chemicals get into the body is important to their "safety" too. Things can be swallowed, inhaled or placed on the skin. Vitamin E molecule is too large to be absorbed through the skin, but it is readily absorbed when swallowed. Perhaps potassium dichromate isn't absorbed transdermally? Perhaps it changes when exposed to air? I don't know. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:58:09 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Columns In-Reply-To: References: > Does anyone have a source for inexpensive, non-load-bearing > classical-looking columns? Ionic, Doric, Corinthian, doesn't matter. Show > is Metamorphoses. We just have too much to do dealing with the pool to get > involved with building columns if we can possibly avoid doing so. I wouldn't necessarily classify them as "inexpensive", but they certainly won't break most budgets...try http://www.globalms.com/ in Ohio. Very reasonable prices and good turnaround times. I've worked with them a couple of times, once for standard half-round columns and once for custom foam shapes, and both times they've done a fantastic job. If you get the coating, they're basically ready to go off the truck. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:54:08 -0500 From: Tony Kambic Subject: RE: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs In-reply-to: Message-id: <000501c6fbce$aecc30d0$76957c45 [at] tony> Greetings Jerry! I'd try to keep constant power supplies (scroller, LED, etc) and automated fixture power away from any pack with a choke, even if it is labeled a non-dim. I can't remember if the CD-80's have one in the non-dim packs or not. If there's no choke, feel free to use them for anything! In an ETC board, you can park a dimmer even if it is not assigned to a channel. When in park, type DIM ## [at] FULL and it should bring it up. There's a way to do it in the Strand patch screen too. I'm not sure about other consoles. Tony M Kambic Lead Electronics Technician - City Theatrical Freelance lighting technician, NY, NY > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Gerald > George > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:01 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi again folks! > > Once again, an appeal to the collective wisdom of the list... > > In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs. I am unsure > exactly what makes them non-dimmable so: > > 1) Do they put out a normal AC sine wave? > > 2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other > automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims? > > 3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel? > > Thanks! > Jerry > > G. D. George > Technical Director and Lighting Designer > Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts > Salisbury University > Salisbury, MD > 21801 > > gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1001 ******************************