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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1002

 1. Re: MSDAS  was  Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
 2. Re: Columns
    by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 3. Re: Columns
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
 4. Re: Columns
    by Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
 5. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
 6. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
 7. Re: Columns
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
 8. Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs
    by "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
 9. DMX Splitter problem
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
10. Re: Columns
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
11. Venue Information Guides
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
12. 60A breakouts
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
13. Re: 60A breakouts
    by "John Penisten" <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
14. Columns
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
15. Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
    by "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
16. Bleeding straight razor
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
17. Plotter Query
    by "Derek Cook" <Derek [at] studiotheatre.org>
18. Re: StudioColor Photometrics
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
19. Re: Bleeding straight razor
    by Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
20. Re: Plotter Query
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
21. Re: Inventor watching over Niagara Falls
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
22. Re: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
    by "Joe Golden" <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
23. The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
24. Re: Plotter Query
    by "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
25. Re: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
26. Re: MSDAS 
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
27. Re: Bleeding straight razor
    by "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
28. Re: StudioColor Photometrics
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
29. Re: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
    by Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
30. Re: StudioColor Photometrics
    by "Limbacher, Jon E." <JLimbacher.lla339 [at] Lighting.net>
31. Re: Bleeding straight razor
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
32. Stage manager needed for modern dance concert
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
33. Printing problem in VW
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
34. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
35. Intemperence (was: Title Blocks)
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
36. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>
37. Re: Plotter Query
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
38. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
39. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
40. Re: Printing problem in VW
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
41. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
42. Props Resource
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Re: Bleeding straight razor
    by "David Islas" <islasdave [at] gmail.com>
44. Re: MSDAS 
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
45. Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
46. Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
47. Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
    by Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
48. Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
49. Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
50. Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context
    by Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
51. Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
52. Re: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
53. Re: Bleeding straight razor
    by Randy Levine <hep_cat [at] cox.net>
54. Re: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
55. Re: MSDAS
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
56. Re: MSDAS
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
57. Re: DMX Splitter problem
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>

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Message-Id: <DBD714BB-73F9-4C99-91B6-0B6B0AE372D4 [at] dopher.com>
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Subject: Re: MSDAS  was  Disclaimers: was Drafting Title Boxes
Date:	Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:49:41 -0500

Kristi wrote:

>
> jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:
> <<  One of the three  "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its  
> variants is
> potassium dichromate, a  known carcinogen.  I guess if it's in a  
> drug, I'm not
> sure what makes it  safe in Head-On. >>
>
>
> I've never heard of this product.


You're probably just having an involuntary and highly effective  
memory block.

HEAD-ON!  Apply directly to forehead!
HEAD-ON!  Apply directly to forehead!
HEAD-ON!  Apply directly to forehead!

Ring any bells?  If not, lucky you.

Cris Dopher (apply-directly-to-light-board)

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:16:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Columns
From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C16B654E.FC7C%deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-37281711 [at] prxy.net>

How tall, what diameter?   Lowe's has 6" and 8" fluted
columns in stock most of the time.  8' tall.  We own 4 to 6 of
each.  They're aluminum.  Great investment.

Steve

> From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:26:05 -0500
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Columns
>=20
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> The first in a series of questions, the answers to which I know are all i=
n
> the archives...
>=20
> Does anyone have a source for inexpensive, non-load-bearing
> classical-looking columns?  Ionic, Doric, Corinthian, doesn't matter.  Sh=
ow
> is Metamorphoses.  We just have too much to do dealing with the pool to g=
et
> involved with building columns if we can possibly avoid doing so.
>=20
> Thanks.
> Jonathan
>=20
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Jonathan S. Deull
> Performing Arts Department
> Edmund Burke School
> email: jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com
> web:=A0=A0 www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm
>=20
>=20


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Message-ID: <90d9c9980610300552l4546f7d9sed3c3de1041cc330 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:52:38 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Columns
In-Reply-To: <list-37311878 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37281711 [at] prxy.net> <list-37311878 [at] prxy.net>

This place has several... I mean several!
www.outwater.com

hth, Scott

-- 
Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:53:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Columns
From: Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
Message-ID: <C16B5FDD.271F%Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-37281711 [at] prxy.net>


Johnathan

If you have time to make them you can have columns with fluting.  I use the
plastic corrugated roofing as the base and wrap it around plywood disks. The
roofing provides a  look which resembles fluting and then create the capital
of choice. 

For 12 foot columns we used disks placed 4 feet apart and wrapped the
roofing around them and secured with screws.  For a rustic approach we
wrapped it with gauze and then painted it.  They were very effective.  I
have built sizes of columns from 8 inches to 2 feet this way and they are
pretty stable.  If you need to support scenery you can run a 1 by 4 or 2 x 4
and notch out the disks.  I have used this method for supporting a second
level for Lysistrata.

I learned about this a  number of years ago at Tech expo,  Ohio State was
using it for half columns they wanted to light from behind.  It was very
effective.  Thanks guys for the idea I have used it many times.

If you have any questions email me off list and I can give you some
pointers.  We took these columns to our ACTF festival last week in Houston.


HTH  
-- 
Philip Johnson
Professor of Theatre
Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi



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Message-ID: <45460801.40804 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:11:13 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs
References: <list-37288366 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-37288366 [at] prxy.net>

Tony Kambic wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> In an ETC board, you can park a dimmer even if it is not assigned to a
> channel. When in park, type DIM ##  [at]  FULL and it should bring it up.
> 
> There's a way to do it in the Strand patch screen too. I'm not sure about
> other consoles.

 From the Live Screen type DIMMER ##  [at]  FULL and that will latch the 
dimmer at full until you hit DIMMER ## DIMMER or DIMMER DIMMER.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061029123554.03100dc0 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:40:49 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs
In-Reply-To: <list-37264168 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37264168 [at] prxy.net>

the CD-80 non-dims that we have are relays which switch on when the 
level into the rack is %50 or higher.    You can use them to power 
electronics, as the wave is never chopped. As to the parking, it 
depends on your board.  On an ETC board, you can profile the dimmer 
to "hot patch" without patching it to a channel.

-Ford
  At 11:00 AM 10/29/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi again folks!
>
>Once again, an appeal to the collective wisdom of the list...
>
>In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs.  I am unsure
>exactly what makes them non-dimmable so:
>
>1)  Do they put out a normal AC sine wave?
>
>2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other
>automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims?
>
>3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a channel?
>
>Thanks!
>Jerry
>
>G. D. George
>Technical Director and Lighting Designer
>Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts
>Salisbury University
>Salisbury, MD
>21801
>
>gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Subject: RE: Columns
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:32:15 -0500
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D6162D45D [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

Second that.  We too have used the plastic corrugated roofing with great
success.  Also easy to pickup and move, unless you use lead for the
base.


Alf

-----Original Message-----
From:  Philip Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:53 AM


If you have time to make them you can have columns with fluting.  I use
the plastic corrugated roofing as the base and wrap it around plywood
disks. The roofing provides a  look which resembles fluting and then
create the capital of choice.=20


------------------------------

Message-Id: <s545c94c.046 [at] mail2.salisbury.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:43:32 -0500
From: "Gerald George" <gdgeorge [at] salisbury.edu>
Subject: Re: CD-80 non-dims and ALFs

Hi folks, 

Thanks for the responses.  The fixtures are up and working.  I don't
have absolute control over them yet, but they are getting DMX.  I think
it's either a cable issue or a termination issue.  In fact, it's most
likely the latter as I need to replace a 100 ohm resistor with a 120
that I just purchased. 

I was originally going to use our Expression to run all the lighting,
but have moved away from that notion.  (When the always-upbeat ETC tech
support people allowed that "that's not the ideal console for moving
lights," I thought it best to apy attention...  Not to mention a couple
of listers :) )

Anyway, I'm using an Enttec Open DMX widget (USB dongle) to run the
movables from a PC.  Right now I think I'm going to use FreeStyler, a
freeware DJ oriented package, but would certainly love to hear about
other packages that people are using / have used.  I looked at Martin
_Light Jockey_, but, like much of this stuff, it's hardware dependant
and their hardware is too pricey for me.  

Thanks again,
Jerry
 

>>> fhs4 [at] cornell.edu 10/29/2006 12:40 PM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

the CD-80 non-dims that we have are relays which switch on when the 
level into the rack is %50 or higher.    You can use them to power 
electronics, as the wave is never chopped. As to the parking, it 
depends on your board.  On an ETC board, you can profile the dimmer 
to "hot patch" without patching it to a channel.

-Ford
  At 11:00 AM 10/29/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Hi again folks!
>
>Once again, an appeal to the collective wisdom of the list...
>
>In our dimmer rack of 96 CD-80s, I have two non-dim packs.  I am
unsure
>exactly what makes them non-dimmable so:
>
>1)  Do they put out a normal AC sine wave?
>
>2) Can I run power to my Martin CX-10 color changers and other
>automated lighting fixtures using these non-dims?
>
>3) Can I park the dimmers at full without assigning them to a
channel?
>
>Thanks!
>Jerry
>
>G. D. George
>Technical Director and Lighting Designer
>Department of Communcation and Theatre Arts
>Salisbury University
>Salisbury, MD
>21801
>
>gdgeorge(at)salisbury(dot)edu

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Subject: DMX Splitter problem
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:44:33 -0500
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D6162D46C [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

Need suggestions.

Have a NSI MLC-16 board feeding a reputable DMX splitter/isolator with a =
150' 5 pin Lex cable.  From the splitter one 3pin output is used to =
feed, in a daisy chain, 4 Martin Manias, with terminator at the end (4 =
25' cables).  For the first week everything worked fine.  No changes to =
board, cable or instruments.  Then no signal to units, but splitter =
indicated signal was present on input.  Replaced splitter with 5 to 3 =
pin adapter cable and everything worked okay.  Splitter has been factory =
checked and no problem found.  (I believe them and the splitter is of =
good quality.)  Put splitter back in picture and the lights don't work.  =
Re-substituted the adapter and all is okay.

I could do without the splitter, except we're getting ready to add 16 =
more semi-intelligent fixtures and I don't want to daisy chain all 20 =
together with out the splitter/isolator.   I'd rather do the Manias on =
one output, and 8 each of the new fixtures on other outputs of the =
splitter.

Any suggestions?  The fixtures, cables and splitter aren't easily =
accessible, so I can't troubleshoot ad-infinitum.  I don't need a list =
of tests, as it will take me days to isolate this myself.  I'm looking =
for someone who has run into this problem and can point out the high =
probability solution. =20

Today's tests will be: a) replace first run of cable. b)  Remove all =
fixtures from chain except first one.  & c) Bypass first fixture and =
have fixtures 2-4 daisy chained.  (this will be a 2 hour ordeal)


Alf Sauv=E9
Media Specialist
Mt Bethel UMC
Marietta, GA

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Message-ID: <b7318c480610300646w4f519cbdi26f5d2ba4d812d15 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:46:12 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Columns
In-Reply-To: <list-37315036 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37315036 [at] prxy.net>

I have use the corrugated fiberglass sheets (painted to look like
rusted steel) for walls.  It is cheap, easy to cut and attached to
frames, and very lightweight. I have purchased it in 4'x10' sheets. I
think it would make great columns.

-Delbert

On 10/30/06, Alf Sauve <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Second that.  We too have used the plastic corrugated roofing with great
> success.  Also easy to pickup and move, unless you use lead for the
> base.
>
>
> Alf
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Philip Johnson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:53 AM
>
>
> If you have time to make them you can have columns with fluting.  I use
> the plastic corrugated roofing as the base and wrap it around plywood
> disks. The roofing provides a  look which resembles fluting and then
> create the capital of choice.
>
>


-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Message-ID: <20061030144853.44489.qmail [at] web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:48:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Venue Information Guides
In-Reply-To: <list-37251826 [at] prxy.net>

Hey Bruce -

Thanks for assembling such a comprehensive template
for specs -- a nice layout and very complete.

Ross Valenti created a web-based data repository for
venues fashioned after our old friend, the "Stage
Specs" Handbook, that is structured in a very similar
fashion to your info;

www.stagespecs.com

Now to work on rehashing my own venue specs...

Paul

> From: Bruce Cooper <bruce [at] ledworklights.com>
> Subject: Venue Information Guides
> 
> Ladies/Germs:
> 
>   A while back [OK, a LONG while back] I posted
> about venue information guides
> regarding what information they should contain. 



 
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Message-ID: <45461A5A.6090900 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:29:30 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: 60A breakouts

Anyone have a good source for 60A to 3-20A breakouts?  I have 6 - 60A 
dimmers in my new theatre but nothing to plug into them.  I've seen 
distribution boxes that break the 60A circuit into 20A breakered 
stagepin circuits but can't find them in my normal shopping circles.

Thanks,

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware


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Message-ID: <87e6786e0610300840v856fb61me19616c81baefb78 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:40:52 -0600
From: "John Penisten" <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 60A breakouts
In-Reply-To: <list-37317574 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37317574 [at] prxy.net>

Lex Products has a 60A Bates to three 20A Bates (fused) assembly.  I
don't have a price, but I saw it at LDI.  If it needs to be breaker
protected, look at:
http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/distBoxesNew/DB60A-C03320.htm

Best,
John

On 10/30/06, Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Anyone have a good source for 60A to 3-20A breakouts?  I have 6 - 60A
> dimmers in my new theatre but nothing to plug into them.  I've seen
> distribution boxes that break the 60A circuit into 20A breakered
> stagepin circuits but can't find them in my normal shopping circles.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve L.
> --
> Stephen Litterst                        Technical Operations Supervisor
> litterst [at] udel.edu                       Center for the Arts
> 302/831-0601                            University of Delaware
>
>

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Message-ID: <20061030173355.77760.qmail [at] web50610.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:33:55 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Columns
In-Reply-To: <list-37305138 [at] prxy.net>

Sonatube(sp?) in the right diameter can make a nice
indication of a column, and pipe insulation can be
used to make them a lil ornate. Do ya really need the
flutes? That would be my quick, easy, cheap, fix.
You also might want to check out a party tent rental
house or a place that does rentals for weddings. I am
sure one of those places would have something you
could rent. Met. is a fun show, best of luck.


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."


 
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Message-ID: <90d9c9980610300942h330ca0f4r4fd22820e727f26 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:42:44 -0500
From: "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier

Greetings oh kind list....
Does anyone have a supplier for bulk color scroller cable? I've
purchased it before (Can't for the life of me remember where) and we
build our own cables.
It has a pair of 22 AWG and a pair of 14 AWG wire inside.

Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:41:47 -0500
Subject: Bleeding straight razor
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <C16BA38B.3710%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

Before I try to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any leads on a good
prop straight razor that can bleed?  It needs to be self-contained (i.e. no
tubes to a remote blood supply) because the actress takes it from a pocket
and cuts herself in several places.  We need it from now-ish until November
18, and I have a very modest rental budget although I am also willing to
beg, borrow, or barter.

Decent descriptions of how you did it yourself last time are of course also
welcome unless they involve the CNC router and the water jet.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department


------------------------------

From: "Derek Cook" <Derek [at] studiotheatre.org>
Subject: Plotter Query
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:49:09 -0500
Message-ID: <KKEHIAKLFOKDCIOIOELJAECDCBAA.Derek [at] studiotheatre.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-37135248 [at] prxy.net>

I am looking at (finally) buying a plotter for our theatre.  It will be
mostly used by me, but possibly shared by the PR department to run posters
and the like.  We are looking at the "HP Designjet 110Plus Color Inkjet."
Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, personal favorites or horror
stories?
Thanks

Derek Cook
Technical Director
The Studio Theatre
1501 14th Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005
202.232.7267 x210


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c35.6842453.327796ee [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:57:02 EST
Subject: Re: StudioColor Photometrics

In a message dated 25/10/06 22:57:37 GMT Standard Time, cad [at] landrudesign.com 
writes:

> At the same time, I need the beam angles so that some scenic dimensions and
>  somewhat accurate fixture placement can be determined.  I'd rather my 
client
>  not be building scenery or paying stagehands to hang fixtures based on 
"that
>  looks about right..."

Thr UK norm is to use varifocal lanterns, so the beam angle is, within the 
limits of the lantern, what you tell it to be. For example, the lanterns which I 
have used most have a beam angle of anything between 16 and 30 degrees. Other 
ranges are around. Naturally, the amount of light on stage is variable, the 
narrower angles being brighter. I should have to do some quite complicated sums 
to work out the differences, but they are seldom very marked.

For some reason, these never caught on in the US. True, it is one more thing 
to tweak at focus time, and the optical efficiency is marginally lower, 
between the lamp and the stage. Not much, with modern designs, though.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

Message-ID: <4546413A.8000300 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:15:22 -0500
From: Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  photonguide [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bleeding straight razor
References: <list-37322942 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-37322942 [at] prxy.net>

There's a two-part system that uses a makeup powder that is activated by 
a liquid.  I don't remember the name of it off hand, but it works like a 
charm.  You could then use a dulled fake, and place a small sponge or 
something to recharge the fluid inside, and then have the performer use 
the powder (which is translucent, and doesn't show up) on the required 
body parts. Having tried to reinvent the wheel, and been unable to find 
an affordable rental myself in the past, I'd suggest this approach.

-Robert Graham

Dougherty, Jim wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Before I try to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any leads on a good
> prop straight razor that can bleed?  It needs to be self-contained (i.e. no
> tubes to a remote blood supply) because the actress takes it from a pocket
> and cuts herself in several places.  We need it from now-ish until November
> 18, and I have a very modest rental budget although I am also willing to
> beg, borrow, or barter.
>
> Decent descriptions of how you did it yourself last time are of course also
> welcome unless they involve the CNC router and the water jet.
>
> -  Jim Dougherty
> ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department
>
>
>   


------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:12:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Plotter Query
Message-Id: <20061030.101318.833.680413 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

The DesignJet 110 is a good choice. I bought a Designjet 100, which =

has 3 color tanks rather than the 110's 6 tanks, because I do NOT =

share my plotter with a PR Department. I use it for AutoCad, etc.
My gross cost, including tax and shipping, was $800 directly from HP.
/s/ Richard
__________________________________
I am looking at (finally) buying a plotter for our theatre.  It will =

be mostly used by me, but possibly shared by the PR department to run =

posters and the like.  We are looking at the "HP Designjet 110Plus =

Color Inkjet. Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, personal =

favorites or horror stories?
Thanks
Derek Cook





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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c94.9895e7.32779bd1 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:17:53 EST
Subject: Re: Inventor watching over Niagara Falls

In a message dated 26/10/06 13:23:14 GMT Standard Time, bill-conner [at] att.net 
writes:

>  I believe they actually worked better than 
>  the mag amps but the solid stage devices simply replaced the tubes in 
>  dimmers like they did in everything else.

I think they did, but at some cost. The problem was that they were one-way 
devices. so the lanterns were actually fed with DC. This meant that the TOTAL 
load current flowed in the supply neutral. Power companies object to this, 
rightly, so you were landsd with the cost of a delta-star transformer as well.

Mag amps, which I interpret as saturable reactors, work fairly well, but are 
load dependant. Strand invented their LC system, which reduced the load 
dependency to an acceptable extent, but added in other problems. When there was no 
load, the full system voltage wa present at the output. Also, each circuit had 
a series contactor, which was switched to do a real blackout. This left the 
dimmers in a 'no-load' state, and a lot of energy stored in the reactor. Running 
revue style, you would pull a blackout on the contactors, and run the master 
faders down to zero. When you restored the contactors, every circuit would 
flash up, and decay at its own rate. Messy. I re-designed the control circuitry 
to minimise this problem, using more modern semi-conductors and techniques. 
Thus, we progress.

Frank Wood

------------------------------

From: "Joe Golden" <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
Cc: shawn.batch [at] coastwire.com ('Shawn Batch')
Subject: RE: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:30:26 -0800
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJadfYT2PiJPlLLWR2I3sF/CgAAAEAAAAFS6uTAoiZxLpDuK/B67KUwBAAAAAA== [at] stage-tech.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-37322937 [at] prxy.net>

I get mine from Coast Wire 800-514-9473, talk to Shaun.

Joe 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott
Parker
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:43 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Greetings oh kind list....
Does anyone have a supplier for bulk color scroller cable? I've purchased it
before (Can't for the life of me remember where) and we build our own
cables.
It has a pair of 22 AWG and a pair of 14 AWG wire inside.

Thanks and take care, Scott

	Scott C. Parker
	Professor/Technical Director
	Dept. of Performing Arts
	Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
	Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
	Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
	New York, NY 10038
	212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425



------------------------------

Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061030110049.017fa160 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:00:49
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)

>> You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. <g>
>So even replacing a defective lamp base could be considered
>"manufacturing", correct?

This is the problem (and has been for quite a while, guessing fom Billy
Wagglesticks quote, if I may paraphrase, "First thing we do, let's kill all
the lawyers.") with the legal system.  It's founded by, invented by, run by
and legislated by lawyers.  It's a case of wolves writing the rules of
conduct for the henhouse.
Anything you can convince those twelve guys and gals of, while not pissing
off the guy in the black dress, is the 'truth'.
"Are ya feelin' lucky, punk?  Well, are ya?"
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <23893078.1162233214208.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:33:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Plotter Query

I've used three different models of HP DesignJet and 
loved them all. My current one is a DesignJet 800 with 
a roll feed and automatic cutter. You can get away 
without the automatic cutter and not miss it too much, 
but if you have the means, definitely try to get the roll 
feed. I just plotted out a 27' by 13' piece of scroll-y 
scenery full size for the scenic artist to make into a 
pounce. (Yes, that's four pieces of paper 27 feet long!) 
Saved him, oh, three or four days' worth of drawing 
time. Cost me two hours, a $13 roll of paper and part 
of a $40 ink cartridge.

Fred

"Big Fred" Schoening
Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
Dallas, Texas, USA

-----Original Message-----

I am looking at (finally) buying a plotter for our 
theatre.  <snip> Does anyone have any suggestions, 
comments, personal favorites or horror stories?


------------------------------

Message-ID: <454645BE.1060909 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:34:38 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
References: <list-37322937 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-37322937 [at] prxy.net>

If Production Advantage can't get it for you, it can't be gotten.

Steve L.

Scott Parker wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Greetings oh kind list....
> Does anyone have a supplier for bulk color scroller cable? I've
> purchased it before (Can't for the life of me remember where) and we
> build our own cables.
> It has a pair of 22 AWG and a pair of 14 AWG wire inside.
> 
> Thanks and take care, Scott
> 
>     Scott C. Parker
>     Professor/Technical Director
>     Dept. of Performing Arts
>     Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
>     Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
>     Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
>     New York, NY 10038
>     212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425
> 

-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061030110649.017fa160 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:06:49
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: MSDAS 

>One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its variants 
>is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen.  

>Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 

The phrase 'known carcinogen' kinda loses it's impact when uttered by a
Californian anymore.  It ain't your fault, really, (refer to my earlier
post about lawyers) but ehn entering nearly any building in any major city
is, according to the plaques and labels, exposing youself to agents and
chemicals "known to the State of California to cause cancer", it kinda
takes the punch outof it.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

------------------------------

Message-ID: <8959237.1162233461934.JavaMail.root [at] mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:37:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fred Schoening, Jr." <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Bleeding straight razor


Due to the international nature of this list, the first 
thing I thought when I saw the subject line was that 
the razor needs to be really, REALLY straight!  ;)

Fred

--

"Big Fred" Schoening
Technical Director, Dallas Theater Center
Dallas, Texas, USA


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <bef.7724391.3277a598 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:59:36 EST
Subject: Re: StudioColor Photometrics

In a message dated 26/10/06 18:16:45 GMT Standard Time, sjh [at] idm.com writes:

> Frank, we need that info because we're often designing rigs
>  w/instruments we haven't used before, or that are rental instruments
>  that are new to us.  And, w/automated instruments with beam-shaping /
>  frost options, and it's sometimes hard to know just what you'll get out
>  of it, and therefore how many you'll need and how to space them in your
>  design.

You have dragged me back into what I had hoped was a closed subject, colour 
washes. The instruments use for these are pretty imprecise.

When we start talking about profiles, life becomes more difficult. To start 
with, because that is not their designed purpose.
>  
>  I agree on one point - we don't often care about exact photometric
>  levels on stage (unless we're doing TV or film), but you do want to know
>  how many fixtures are needed to cover area X by Y in a dark blue; then
>  the output and beam spread of the instrument are needed.  Ahead of time
>  - since w/rentals you can't add an extra 2 weeks to play w/it before
>  your design needs to be done.

TV and film employ experts, and the TV variety have their hands on the knobs, 
and a Grade 1 monitor. Film is different, in that you don't know that its 
wrong until tomorrow morning, when it's back from the labs.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:00:01 -0600
Subject: Re: Color Scroller Cable: Supplier
From: Greg Persinger <greg [at] vividillumination.com>
Message-ID: <C16BB5E1.4AEA%greg [at] vividillumination.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-37322937 [at] prxy.net>

Creative Stage Lighting or TMB New York.

Greg Persinger


On 10/30/06 11:42 AM, "Scott Parker" <scparker [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Greetings oh kind list....
> Does anyone have a supplier for bulk color scroller cable? I've
> purchased it before (Can't for the life of me remember where) and we
> build our own cables.
> It has a pair of 22 AWG and a pair of 14 AWG wire inside.
> 
> Thanks and take care, Scott
> 
> Scott C. Parker
> Professor/Technical Director
> Dept. of Performing Arts
> Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
> Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
> Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
> New York, NY 10038
> 212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425
> 



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Message-ID: <ED72E68AA19A6646A6000F8ACBFB84E201F599 [at] a339server2.agent339.lighting.net>
From: "Limbacher, Jon E." <JLimbacher.lla339 [at] Lighting.net>
Subject: RE: StudioColor Photometrics
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:45:04 -0600

A big consideration in the states is the premium price for a variable or
zoom fixture. Typically 25-40% more expensive.

Jon 

-----Original Message-----
From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com [mailto:FrankWood95 [at] aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:57 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: StudioColor Photometrics

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 25/10/06 22:57:37 GMT Standard Time, cad [at] landrudesign.com
writes:

> At the same time, I need the beam angles so that some scenic 
> dimensions and  somewhat accurate fixture placement can be determined.  
> I'd rather my
client
>  not be building scenery or paying stagehands to hang fixtures based 
> on
"that
>  looks about right..."

Thr UK norm is to use varifocal lanterns, so the beam angle is, within the
limits of the lantern, what you tell it to be. For example, the lanterns
which I have used most have a beam angle of anything between 16 and 30
degrees. Other ranges are around. Naturally, the amount of light on stage is
variable, the narrower angles being brighter. I should have to do some quite
complicated sums to work out the differences, but they are seldom very
marked.

For some reason, these never caught on in the US. True, it is one more thing
to tweak at focus time, and the optical efficiency is marginally lower,
between the lamp and the stage. Not much, with modern designs, though.

Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:55:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Bleeding straight razor
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C16BD0DD.335B%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-37324211 [at] prxy.net>

Not much help here, but we used the same stuff for Sweeney Todd and it was
an  excellent effect.  There must be a props person or costumer on this list
that actually has the name.
Steve Rees


On 10/30/06 1:15 PM, "Robert Graham" <photonguide [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> There's a two-part system that uses a makeup powder that is activated by
> a liquid.  I don't remember the name of it off hand, but it works like a
> charm.  You could then use a dulled fake, and place a small sponge or
> something to recharge the fluid inside, and then have the performer use
> the powder (which is translucent, and doesn't show up) on the required
> body parts. Having tried to reinvent the wheel, and been unable to find
> an affordable rental myself in the past, I'd suggest this approach.
> 
> -Robert Graham
> 
> Dougherty, Jim wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Before I try to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any leads on a good
>> prop straight razor that can bleed?  It needs to be self-contained (i.e. no
>> tubes to a remote blood supply) because the actress takes it from a pocket
>> and cuts herself in several places.  We need it from now-ish until November
>> 18, and I have a very modest rental budget although I am also willing to
>> beg, borrow, or barter.
>> 
>> Decent descriptions of how you did it yourself last time are of course also
>> welcome unless they involve the CNC router and the water jet.
>> 
>> -  Jim Dougherty
>> ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department
>> 
>> 
>>   
> 


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From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: Stage manager needed for modern dance concert
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:07:53 -0500
Message-ID: <001801c6fc67$78bbea50$6901a8c0 [at] pepys>
In-Reply-To: <list-37328725 [at] prxy.net>

Stage manager needed for modern dance concert to be presented at the
Baryshnikov Dance Center on 37th Street in Manhattan (No, Chris
Babbie....) on November 18-21 (with loadin on the 16th and rehearsal on
the 17th).  Will also operate Express lighting console.  Please email
resume and salary requirements to :jeff [at] jeffsalzberg.com.  Possibility
of additional work as electrician and future employment.

-- 
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Message-ID: <b7318c480610301322s69b6bb84vc4961a464be9efb1 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:22:53 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Printing problem in VW

I have a new HP DeskJet 9800 printer, which is supposed to print up to
13'x19" document, that I want to setup for printing VW drawings.  I am
trying to print on ISO A3 paper (11'x17") from VW.  (BTW, I choose
this size because my copier will make 11"x17" copies.)  I have set the
paper size and orientation for each layer under "Organization" and
everything looks correct in "Page Setup" but the print area is only
11" wide.  What am I missing?  Thanks.

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Subject: RE: DMX Splitter problem
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:33:38 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30E32D [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

Alf,

Some thoughts...

I do not see that you have mentioned anywhere that you tried different =
output ports on the opto-splitter.  Did you try this?=20

Is this a combination splitter that has both 3 and 5 pin outputs?  If =
so, are you only using one of the ports for each channel of the =
splitter?  (Or, if each channel has 3 pin and 5 pin output- are you by =
chance doubling up the channel by using both ports?) What brand and =
model is the opto-splitter?

You indicate that there were no changes to the board, cable, or =
instruments.  Were there any other changes?  Devices added somewhere =
else?  Things turned on that were previously not turned on or something =
similar? =20

Also- did you try removing the terminator and seeing if the results were =
different? =20

I take it from your explanation that the data indicator light at the =
fixture is NOT illuminated? =20


-Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Alf =
Sauve
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:45 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: DMX Splitter problem


Have a NSI MLC-16 board feeding a reputable DMX splitter/isolator with a =
150' 5 pin Lex cable.  From the splitter one 3pin output is used to =
feed, in a daisy chain, 4 Martin Manias, with terminator at the end (4 =
25' cables).  For the first week everything worked fine.  No changes to =
board, cable or instruments.  Then no signal to units, but splitter =
indicated signal was present on input.  Replaced splitter with 5 to 3 =
pin adapter cable and everything worked okay.  Splitter has been factory =
checked and no problem found.  (I believe them and the splitter is of =
good quality.)  Put splitter back in picture and the lights don't work.  =
Re-substituted the adapter and all is okay.

:SNIP:

Alf Sauv=E9
Media Specialist
Mt Bethel UMC
Marietta, GA

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Message-Id: <p06230901c16c20cff833 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:42:33 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Intemperence (was: Title Blocks)

A few days ago I got into a bit of a rant regarding mis-scaled 
drawings in the "Title Blocks" thread, and made some intemperant 
remarks about a nameless company and their representative who may or 
may not be lurking on the list...

I'd like to offer a public apology to the person who knows who he or 
she is. Much as mis-scaled DWGs may be a legitimate beef, my 
parenthetical comments were extremely out of line.

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Subject: RE: DMX Splitter problem
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:58:53 -0500
Message-ID: <B3D6924DCCF99C45A449AA92E8184D6162D59E [at] mailserver.mtbethel.local>
From: "Alf Sauve" <Alf.Sauve [at] mtbethel.org>

Abby (and group),

-Yes, it's a combo splitter with 3, 3pin outputs and 2, 5pin outputs.
-Only using one output at the moment.
-Have tried two different output ports.
-Yes, the  data indicators on the fixture do NOT illuminate when using
the splitter but works fine with the adapter.
-Adding a terminator to the last fixture did not make a difference
(that's what the manufacture suggested).


Nothing changed in relation to the lighting grid, the lighting cabling
or console.  There are changes to the set every week, but nothing I see
as relevant.  Conventional are run from a separate console, separate a/c
supply, separate DMX wiring....totally separate other than they hang
from the same truss.  =20

I suspect a bad cable that has one of the data pins grounded, which may
not make a difference when wired straight from console to fixture, but
may cause data to be grounded when using splitter.  (Only thing is this
worked for a week.)

Hoping someone has had this problem.

Wasn't able to test today.  Problem with a multi-use room is that it
isn't always handy to get to the grid.  Had to complete wiring for
backstage video monitoring.  Using a VGA monitor with composite video,
TV tuner and PIP.  The stage manager watch the video projector and a
monitor camera at same time. (Or watch the ball game!) =20

Alf

------------------------------

From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <3ae.1031363f.3277d019 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:00:57 EST
Subject: Re: Plotter Query

In a message dated 30/10/06 17:49:55 GMT Standard Time, 
Derek [at] studiotheatre.org writes:

> I am looking at (finally) buying a plotter for our theatre.  It will be
>  mostly used by me, but possibly shared by the PR department to run posters
>  and the like.  We are looking at the "HP Designjet 110Plus Color Inkjet."
>  Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, personal favorites or horror
>  stories?

 Don't confuse plotters with printers. They are wholly different animals, and 
work in very different ways. A typical set of plotter instructions reads:" Go 
and get a pen from this stall: put it down here: move it to there: pick it 
up." This draws a line. That is really all they do.

But this is on the level that tells a printer to put a blob of this ink in 
this position. Behind your printer or plotter is a driver, which translates your 
screen picture into the output instructions. You need the right one to stand 
between your software and hardware.


Frank Wood

------------------------------

Subject: RE: DMX Splitter problem
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:08:49 -0500
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA3F8274 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

"I suspect a bad cable"

Yes, this does seem to be the remaining logical choice- a bad cable
somewhere.  Too bad it isn't easier to get around in and diagnose in
your space.=20

Sorry I couldn't help further.=20

-Abby

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:08:23 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: DMX Splitter problem
In-reply-to: <list-37315704 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061030140642.01ffa3f8 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-37315704 [at] prxy.net>

At 06:44 AM 10/30/2006, Alf Sauve wrote:
>Have a NSI MLC-16 board feeding a reputable DMX splitter/isolator 
>with a 150' 5 pin Lex cable.  From the splitter one 3pin output is 
>used to feed, in a daisy chain, 4 Martin Manias, with terminator at 
>the end (4 25' cables).  For the first week everything worked 
>fine.  No changes to board, cable or instruments.  Then no signal to 
>units, but splitter indicated signal was present on input.  Replaced 
>splitter with 5 to 3 pin adapter cable and everything worked 
>okay.  Splitter has been factory checked and no problem found.  (I 
>believe them and the splitter is of good quality.)  Put splitter 
>back in picture and the lights don't work.  Re-substituted the 
>adapter and all is okay.

I ran into a batch of "name brand" RS-485 driver chips that checked 
out ok under a lite load, but wouldn't work worth anything under a 
normal lighting load.  That was a pain as we had to replace all the 
chips we'd already soldered to the boards.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <b7318c480610301417l77b10836te63ccef420b5315f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:17:07 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Printing problem in VW
In-Reply-To: <list-37332373 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37332373 [at] prxy.net>

I solved the problem and it is working fine now.

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061030172705.03344de0 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:30:19 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: DMX Splitter problem
In-Reply-To: <list-37333622 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37333622 [at] prxy.net>

You said it worked for a week, then nothing?  Is it possible that the 
Splitter either blew a fuse, or that it came unplugged at either the 
UPC (if it has one), or at the wall?  is there an extension cord 
in-line, does it have a ground?

Ok, that's the extent of my brain picking.

-Ford
At 04:58 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>Abby (and group),
>
>-Yes, it's a combo splitter with 3, 3pin outputs and 2, 5pin outputs.
>-Only using one output at the moment.
>-Have tried two different output ports.
>-Yes, the  data indicators on the fixture do NOT illuminate when using
>the splitter but works fine with the adapter.
>-Adding a terminator to the last fixture did not make a difference
>(that's what the manufacture suggested).
>
>
>Nothing changed in relation to the lighting grid, the lighting cabling
>or console.  There are changes to the set every week, but nothing I see
>as relevant.  Conventional are run from a separate console, separate a/c
>supply, separate DMX wiring....totally separate other than they hang
>from the same truss.
>
>I suspect a bad cable that has one of the data pins grounded, which may
>not make a difference when wired straight from console to fixture, but
>may cause data to be grounded when using splitter.  (Only thing is this
>worked for a week.)
>
>Hoping someone has had this problem.
>
>Wasn't able to test today.  Problem with a multi-use room is that it
>isn't always handy to get to the grid.  Had to complete wiring for
>backstage video monitoring.  Using a VGA monitor with composite video,
>TV tuner and PIP.  The stage manager watch the video projector and a
>monitor camera at same time. (Or watch the ball game!)
>
>Alf

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061030150411.017e3c88 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:04:11
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Props Resource

Hey, a buddy of mine called today, and was asking about theatrical props
dept in relation to (and here is the 'truth in posting part) his for-profit
historical yellow pages.  He called to ask if the props person that was
questioning him about it was someone that he'd likely to useful to.
While this is primarily designed to be a resource for film, television, and
historical re-enactors, I guess that we indulge in a bit of that once in a
while.  ; >
Any props persons that are interested could go here
<http://www.shypages.com/> and check it out.
Remember, he is just a buddy that I shot a movie with once.  I have no
interests here other than wanting to see a good guy make good, and my
friends here get a new resource.

------------------------------

Message-ID: <2385c8110610301539o4428ca94xe8ca5e1d223373ec [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:39:39 -0800
From: "David Islas" <islasdave [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bleeding straight razor
In-Reply-To: <list-37331014 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37324211 [at] prxy.net> <list-37331014 [at] prxy.net>

It sounds like the product mentioned is called "Magic Blood Powder" by
Graftobian.
Apply and its activated by water and produces a blood-like effect.
http://www.graftobian.com/
Its under blood products.

------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:11:26 GMT
Subject: Re: MSDAS 
Message-Id: <20061030.161158.18186.739130 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

Dear Chris,
"But don't say we didn't warn you!"
/s/ Richard [Along with Jerry, from the most HIGHLY regulated state.]
_____________________________


>One of the three "active" ingredients in "Head-On" and its variants =

>is potassium dichromate, a known carcinogen.  =


>Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
>219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California =


The phrase 'known carcinogen' kinda loses it's impact when uttered by =

a Californian anymore.  It ain't your fault, really, (refer to my =

earlier post about lawyers) but ehn entering nearly any building in =

any major city is, according to the plaques and labels, exposing =

youself to agents and chemicals "known to the State of California to =

cause cancer", it kinda takes the punch outof it.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ




------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:36:18 GMT
Subject: Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
Message-Id: <20061030.163703.18186.739291 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

Dear Chris,
Then 'Go Ahead, Make My Day'. I'll have you know that my robe is well =

maintained. I even sewed weights in the corners of the bottom hem in =

the front so it would hang properly. My unisex 'Black Dress', as you =

describe it, is especially attractive when I perform Vow Renewals for =

friends who have been married for a few decades, while still hiding =

my Kevlar vest and concealed holster with a 15 shot 9mm Browning. <g>
/s/ Richard
_____________________

>You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. <g>
_____________________________
Anything you can convince those twelve guys and gals of, while not =

pissing off the guy in the black dress, is the 'truth'.
"Are ya feelin' lucky, punk?  Well, are ya?"
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ



------------------------------

From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c1a.84bd41c.3277f8d7 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:54:47 EST
Subject: Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)

I was told via private email that HeadOn is  advertised via TV commercial. 

Eureka!

No cable TV = no obnoxious  commercials (Well... fewer of them.) = no 
exposure to the product.  

Sometimes ignorance IS bliss!

Kristi  


------------------------------

Message-ID: <4546A01C.2090607 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:00:12 -0500
From: Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  photonguide [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
References: <list-37339196 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-37339196 [at] prxy.net>

Great!  Remind me again what jurisdiction that's in, so I can make sure 
to avoid it. [sarcasm intended]

And personally, I always thought the 15 round grip on the Browning was a 
bit too large, and I have reasonably sized hands.

I prefer knockdown power myself, and the trusty 'ol Colt .45 ACP, with 
one in the chamber and 7 in the magazine is plenty of ammo for me.

As long as I have a spare mag or two.  <grin>

-Rob G.


ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear Chris,
> Then 'Go Ahead, Make My Day'. I'll have you know that my robe is well 
> maintained. I even sewed weights in the corners of the bottom hem in 
> the front so it would hang properly. My unisex 'Black Dress', as you 
> describe it, is especially attractive when I perform Vow Renewals for 
> friends who have been married for a few decades, while still hiding 
> my Kevlar vest and concealed holster with a 15 shot 9mm Browning. <g>
> /s/ Richard
> _____________________
>
>   
>> You never will know, until a judge and/or jury decides your fate. <g>
>>     
> _____________________________
> Anything you can convince those twelve guys and gals of, while not 
> pissing off the guy in the black dress, is the 'truth'.
> "Are ya feelin' lucky, punk?  Well, are ya?"
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie
> 				Location Sound
> 				MON AZ
>
>
>
>   


------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:58:46 GMT
Subject: Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)
Message-Id: <20061030.165947.18186.739425 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

then 'tis Folly to be Wise!
/s/ Richard


I was told via private email that HeadOn is  advertised via TV =

commercial. =


Eureka!

No cable TV =3D no obnoxious  commercials (Well... fewer of them.) =3D n=
o =

exposure to the product.  =


Sometimes ignorance IS bliss!

Kristi  =





------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:04:11 GMT
Subject: Re: The legal dangers of (was: Retrofitting Altman 360 ERS)
Message-Id: <20061030.170458.18186.739449 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

SHHHH! We won't discuss the .44mag in my calf holster as a back-up...
/s/ Richard
_____________________________

Great!  Remind me again what jurisdiction that's in, so I can make =

sure to avoid it. [sarcasm intended]

And personally, I always thought the 15 round grip on the Browning =

was a bit too large, and I have reasonably sized hands.

I prefer knockdown power myself, and the trusty 'ol Colt .45 ACP, =

with one in the chamber and 7 in the magazine is plenty of ammo for =

me.

As long as I have a spare mag or two.  <grin>

-Rob G.



------------------------------

Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061030183014.022dfc40 [at] earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:31:54 -0700
From: Theatre Safety Programs <theatresafe [at] jgorrell.com>
Subject: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context

I have been following the discussion on lamp substitution in Altman 
fixtures and offer the following reflections.

NOTE: Remember manufacturers' instructions, directions and 
recommendations take precedence over anything else. If they PROHIBIT 
the use of other lamp designations other than those described in the 
instructions (unless the prohibitions ONLY involve functionally or 
performance), that ends it.

You do have a copy of the instrument's manual/instructions don't you?

1)  Manufacturing, according to Merrian-Webster 11th Collegiate Dictionary is:
MANUFACTURE
1: something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery
2 a: the process of making wares by hand or by machinery especially 
when carried on systematically with division of labor
    b: a productive industry using mechanical power and machinery
3: the act or process of producing something

Now I realize the courts may have a different view of this but it 
seems to me to be a good place to start.

2)	Manufacturing, maintenance/repair and modifying are three different things.
a. Manufacturing - see above	

b. Most manufacturers' literature calls for and expects the end user 
to "maintain" the equipment in good operating condition. NFPA 
70B-2006 Recommended Practice for Electrical Equipment Maintenance is 
one of the many guidance documents on maintaining electrical equipment.

ESTA is working on a recommended practice for luminaire maintenance. 
By the way; luminaire is the new internationally accepted term to 
describe a light fixture and will be used in nearly all, if not all, 
future standards - US and International. It already is in many 
documents. Contact the ESTA Technical Standards Manager (esta.org) 
for further information or to participate in the work on this document.

There are also classes you can take offered by LDI and the USITT on 
electrical safety. USITT is offering one at the March conference.

c. If you make physical changes to the luminaire to alter its 
function, shape or to accommodate a different type or larger lamp, 
add fans, move the gate, change shutter configuration, etc. you are 
now modifying the fixture. It can be argued, and it is my opinion, 
that replacing the lamp with a lamp of the same TYPE (incandescent, 
HID, fluorescent, etc.) and equal or lower wattage is not modifying 
it. In my opinion this does not meet the definition of manufacturing 
above. Whether or not it is a modification is an open question since 
lamps are detachable.

Remember again:
Manufacturers' instructions take precedence over anything else and if 
the directions PROHIBIT the use of other lamp designations, that ends it.

Another key difference is between changes that affect safety and 
purely functional changes. Functional changes are outside the scope of this.

3)	Using a different lamp or lamps than the luminaire is listed for 
in the luminaire will probably void the listing. But technically it 
is possible that replacing a missing screw with an identical one made 
by a different manufacturer or painting the luminaire a different 
color could void the listing.

4)  There is a difference between risk management and risk avoidance. 
If we want to use risk avoidance in the entertainment industry I 
suggest we cease doing business.

If you look over your shoulder for lawyers every time you do 
something you will never get anything done. But do not forget they 
are still around somewhere.

The fact is if there is an accident involving a luminaire everyone 
who did anything with the luminaire involved including the last 
person to put in a lamp, proper lamp designation or not, will be 
investigated and/or named in the lawsuit. That's why you have insurance.

How do you protect/defend your actions?

Make decisions based on proper information or have properly educated, 
trained and experienced persons provide technical assistance or do the task.

Do only things for which you have sufficient education, training and 
experience.

If you do things based on recommendations or advise of others KNOW OF 
YOUR OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IF THEY HAVE THE EDUCATION, TRAINING and 
EXPERIENCE to be offering information or advice on the subject. DO 
NOT DEPEND JUST ON WHAT THEY TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW. Not 
everyone who claims to be an expert is one. Just because a person 
claims a title does not mean they have knowledge or credentials to 
back it up. There are plenty of people offering advice without the 
information to back it up and there are a lot of people in positions 
without the technical expertise to perform effectively. If you are 
not sure of the credentials of the person, independently verify the 
advice. Not checking things out and just believing what people tell 
you are how people get scammed.

As I wrote in a recent article; "Having done a particular type of 
work for an extended number of years does not, by itself, make a 
person qualified (A person could have been doing it inappropriately 
all the time and just been lucky)."

Bottom line:
1.  You only get sued if there is an accident.
2.  Accidents can happen no matter how careful you are.
3.  Follow all manufacturers' instructions, directions and recommendations.
4.  Refuse to do things which are not safe or do not have a proper 
technical justification or in fact are not logical or do not make sense.
       Putting a higher wattage or different type (incandescent, HID, 
fluorescent, etc.) lamp in a luminaire not designed for the higher 
wattage or different type would fall into this category. Do not 
confuse lamp ID codes with lamp types. Different codes may be the 
same type (incandescent, HID, fluorescent, etc.) or a different type.
5.  Select, install, maintain and modify equipment based on 
education, training and experience and using proper engineering 
principals. This way you can defend your actions. Document your work 
and reasoning.
6.  Determine and understand the liability, safety and performance 
implications (if any) of modifying a piece of equipment. If the 
modification results in an unsafe condition do not do it.
7.  Use equipment only according to its listing. UL is not the only 
listing authority, only the most well known.
8.  Get training.
9.  If you do not have the proper education, training and experience 
do not do it!
10. Buy insurance.

Jerry Gorrell
Theatre Safety Programs



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Message-Id: <p06230900c16c5830f2ed [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-37339910 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37339910 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:33:45 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: MSDS   as MSDAS ( a typo)

At 7:54 PM -0500 10/30/06, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:

>I was told via private email that HeadOn is  advertised via TV commercial.
>Eureka!
>No cable TV = no obnoxious  commercials (Well... fewer of them.) = no
>exposure to the product.
>
>Sometimes ignorance IS bliss!


True.
(he said, having not even owned a television in close to 20 years)

-- 
Dave Vick
20/20 Design
rigger [at] tds.net

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:43:42 -0700
Message-ID: <002a01c6fc8d$ff2bb2c0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-37341729 [at] prxy.net>

Having worked with the Canadians on the Luminaire CSA Standards many, many,
many years ago, one might look to them for some guidance rather than
remaking the wheel. 

Interesting for the most part. Doom 


-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Theatre
Safety Programs
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:32 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

I have been following the discussion on lamp substitution in Altman 
fixtures and offer the following reflections.

NOTE: Remember manufacturers' instructions, directions and 
recommendations take precedence over anything else. If they PROHIBIT 
the use of other lamp designations other than those described in the 
instructions (unless the prohibitions ONLY involve functionally or 
performance), that ends it.

You do have a copy of the instrument's manual/instructions don't you?

1)  Manufacturing, according to Merrian-Webster 11th Collegiate Dictionary
is:
MANUFACTURE
1: something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery
2 a: the process of making wares by hand or by machinery especially 
when carried on systematically with division of labor
    b: a productive industry using mechanical power and machinery
3: the act or process of producing something

Now I realize the courts may have a different view of this but it 
seems to me to be a good place to start.

2)	Manufacturing, maintenance/repair and modifying are three different
things.
a. Manufacturing - see above	

b. Most manufacturers' literature calls for and expects the end user 
to "maintain" the equipment in good operating condition. NFPA 
70B-2006 Recommended Practice for Electrical Equipment Maintenance is 
one of the many guidance documents on maintaining electrical equipment.

ESTA is working on a recommended practice for luminaire maintenance. 
By the way; luminaire is the new internationally accepted term to 
describe a light fixture and will be used in nearly all, if not all, 
future standards - US and International. It already is in many 
documents. Contact the ESTA Technical Standards Manager (esta.org) 
for further information or to participate in the work on this document.

There are also classes you can take offered by LDI and the USITT on 
electrical safety. USITT is offering one at the March conference.

c. If you make physical changes to the luminaire to alter its 
function, shape or to accommodate a different type or larger lamp, 
add fans, move the gate, change shutter configuration, etc. you are 
now modifying the fixture. It can be argued, and it is my opinion, 
that replacing the lamp with a lamp of the same TYPE (incandescent, 
HID, fluorescent, etc.) and equal or lower wattage is not modifying 
it. In my opinion this does not meet the definition of manufacturing 
above. Whether or not it is a modification is an open question since 
lamps are detachable.

Remember again:
Manufacturers' instructions take precedence over anything else and if 
the directions PROHIBIT the use of other lamp designations, that ends it.

Another key difference is between changes that affect safety and 
purely functional changes. Functional changes are outside the scope of this.

3)	Using a different lamp or lamps than the luminaire is listed for 
in the luminaire will probably void the listing. But technically it 
is possible that replacing a missing screw with an identical one made 
by a different manufacturer or painting the luminaire a different 
color could void the listing.

4)  There is a difference between risk management and risk avoidance. 
If we want to use risk avoidance in the entertainment industry I 
suggest we cease doing business.

If you look over your shoulder for lawyers every time you do 
something you will never get anything done. But do not forget they 
are still around somewhere.

The fact is if there is an accident involving a luminaire everyone 
who did anything with the luminaire involved including the last 
person to put in a lamp, proper lamp designation or not, will be 
investigated and/or named in the lawsuit. That's why you have insurance.

How do you protect/defend your actions?

Make decisions based on proper information or have properly educated, 
trained and experienced persons provide technical assistance or do the task.

Do only things for which you have sufficient education, training and 
experience.

If you do things based on recommendations or advise of others KNOW OF 
YOUR OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IF THEY HAVE THE EDUCATION, TRAINING and 
EXPERIENCE to be offering information or advice on the subject. DO 
NOT DEPEND JUST ON WHAT THEY TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW. Not 
everyone who claims to be an expert is one. Just because a person 
claims a title does not mean they have knowledge or credentials to 
back it up. There are plenty of people offering advice without the 
information to back it up and there are a lot of people in positions 
without the technical expertise to perform effectively. If you are 
not sure of the credentials of the person, independently verify the 
advice. Not checking things out and just believing what people tell 
you are how people get scammed.

As I wrote in a recent article; "Having done a particular type of 
work for an extended number of years does not, by itself, make a 
person qualified (A person could have been doing it inappropriately 
all the time and just been lucky)."

Bottom line:
1.  You only get sued if there is an accident.
2.  Accidents can happen no matter how careful you are.
3.  Follow all manufacturers' instructions, directions and recommendations.
4.  Refuse to do things which are not safe or do not have a proper 
technical justification or in fact are not logical or do not make sense.
       Putting a higher wattage or different type (incandescent, HID, 
fluorescent, etc.) lamp in a luminaire not designed for the higher 
wattage or different type would fall into this category. Do not 
confuse lamp ID codes with lamp types. Different codes may be the 
same type (incandescent, HID, fluorescent, etc.) or a different type.
5.  Select, install, maintain and modify equipment based on 
education, training and experience and using proper engineering 
principals. This way you can defend your actions. Document your work 
and reasoning.
6.  Determine and understand the liability, safety and performance 
implications (if any) of modifying a piece of equipment. If the 
modification results in an unsafe condition do not do it.
7.  Use equipment only according to its listing. UL is not the only 
listing authority, only the most well known.
8.  Get training.
9.  If you do not have the proper education, training and experience 
do not do it!
10. Buy insurance.

Jerry Gorrell
Theatre Safety Programs



------------------------------

In-Reply-To: <list-37322942 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-37322942 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <10A1F3FD-7880-4E33-9EB7-DA3EA183D495 [at] cox.net>
From: Randy Levine <hep_cat [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Bleeding straight razor
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:42:11 -0700

We've used A/B blood from these guys:  http://www.zeller-int.com/ 
priceguide.htm
and been very happy with the results.

Randy


On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Dougherty, Jim wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Before I try to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have any leads on a  
> good
> prop straight razor that can bleed?  It needs to be self-contained  
> (i.e. no
> tubes to a remote blood supply) because the actress takes it from a  
> pocket
> and cuts herself in several places.  We need it from now-ish until  
> November
> 18, and I have a very modest rental budget although I am also  
> willing to
> beg, borrow, or barter.
>
> Decent descriptions of how you did it yourself last time are of  
> course also
> welcome unless they involve the CNC router and the water jet.
>
> -  Jim Dougherty
> ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department
>


------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:42:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Altman Lamp Discussion in a Broader Context
Message-Id: <20061030.184250.8266.738743 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com>

To paraphrase the often misquoted Chinese proverb along the lines =

of 'If you save someones life, you are responsible for him', a =

corollary might be 'If you extend the service life of a luminaire by =

upgrading it, you are responsible if anybody gets hurt using it'.
/s/ Richard
__________________________________
Having worked with the Canadians on the Luminaries CSA Standards =

many, many, many years ago, one might look to them for some guidance =

rather than remaking the wheel. =


Interesting for the most part. Doom =




I have been following the discussion on lamp substitution in Altman =

fixtures and offer the following reflections.

NOTE: Remember manufacturers' instructions, directions and =

recommendations take precedence over anything else. If they PROHIBIT =

the use of other lamp designations other than those described in the =

instructions (unless the prohibitions ONLY involve functionally or =

performance), that ends it.

You do have a copy of the instrument's manual/instructions don't you?

1)  Manufacturing, according to Merrian-Webster 11th Collegiate =

Dictionary is:
MANUFACTURE
1: something made from raw materials by hand or by machinery
2 a: the process of making wares by hand or by machinery especially =

when carried on systematically with division of labor
  b: a productive industry using mechanical power and machinery
3: the act or process of producing something

Now I realize the courts may have a different view of this but it =

seems to me to be a good place to start.

2)	Manufacturing, maintenance/repair and modifying are three =

different things.
a. Manufacturing - see above	=


b. Most manufacturers' literature calls for and expects the end user =

to "maintain" the equipment in good operating condition. NFPA =

70B-2006 Recommended Practice for Electrical Equipment Maintenance is =

one of the many guidance documents on maintaining electrical =

equipment.

ESTA is working on a recommended practice for luminaire maintenance. =

By the way; luminaire is the new internationally accepted term to =

describe a light fixture and will be used in nearly all, if not all, =

future standards - US and International. It already is in many =

documents. Contact the ESTA Technical Standards Manager (esta.org) =

for further information or to participate in the work on this =

document.

There are also classes you can take offered by LDI and the USITT on =

electrical safety. USITT is offering one at the March conference.

c. If you make physical changes to the luminaire to alter its =

function, shape or to accommodate a different type or larger lamp, =

add fans, move the gate, change shutter configuration, etc. you are =

now modifying the fixture. It can be argued, and it is my opinion, =

that replacing the lamp with a lamp of the same TYPE (incandescent, =

HID, fluorescent, etc.) and equal or lower wattage is not modifying =

it. In my opinion this does not meet the definition of manufacturing =

above. Whether or not it is a modification is an open question since =

lamps are detachable.

Remember again:
Manufacturers' instructions take precedence over anything else and if =

the directions PROHIBIT the use of other lamp designations, that ends =

it.

Another key difference is between changes that affect safety and =

purely functional changes. Functional changes are outside the scope =

of this.

3)	Using a different lamp or lamps than the luminaire is listed =

for in the luminaire will probably void the listing. But technically =

it is possible that replacing a missing screw with an identical one =

made by a different manufacturer or painting the luminaire a =

different color could void the listing.

4)  There is a difference between risk management and risk avoidance. =

If we want to use risk avoidance in the entertainment industry I =

suggest we cease doing business.

If you look over your shoulder for lawyers every time you do =

something you will never get anything done. But do not forget they =

are still around somewhere.

The fact is if there is an accident involving a luminaire everyone =

who did anything with the luminaire involved including the last =

person to put in a lamp, proper lamp designation or not, will be =

investigated and/or named in the lawsuit. That's why you have =

insurance.

How do you protect/defend your actions?

Make decisions based on proper information or have properly educated, =

trained and experienced persons provide technical assistance or do =

the task.

Do only things for which you have sufficient education, training and =

experience.

If you do things based on recommendations or advise of others KNOW OF =

YOUR OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IF THEY HAVE THE EDUCATION, TRAINING and =

EXPERIENCE to be offering information or advice on the subject. DO =

NOT DEPEND JUST ON WHAT THEY TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW. Not =

everyone who claims to be an expert is one. Just because a person =

claims a title does not mean they have knowledge or credentials to =

back it up. There are plenty of people offering advice without the =

information to back it up and there are a lot of people in positions =

without the technical expertise to perform effectively. If you are =

not sure of the credentials of the person, independently verify the =

advice. Not checking things out and just believing what people tell =

you are how people get scammed.

As I wrote in a recent article; "Having done a particular type of =

work for an extended number of years does not, by itself, make a =

person qualified (A person could have been doing it inappropriately =

all the time and just been lucky)."

Bottom line:
1.  You only get sued if there is an accident.
2.  Accidents can happen no matter how careful you are.
3.  Follow all manufacturers' instructions, directions and =

recommendations.
4.  Refuse to do things which are not safe or do not have a proper =

technical justification or in fact are not logical or do not make =

sense.
       Putting a higher wattage or different type (incandescent, HID, =

fluorescent, etc.) lamp in a luminaire not designed for the higher =

wattage or different type would fall into this category. Do not =

confuse lamp ID codes with lamp types. Different codes may be the =

same type (incandescent, HID, fluorescent, etc.) or a different type.
5.  Select, install, maintain and modify equipment based on =

education, training and experience and using proper engineering =

principals. This way you can defend your actions. Document your work =

and reasoning.
6.  Determine and understand the liability, safety and performance =

implications (if any) of modifying a piece of equipment. If the =

modification results in an unsafe condition do not do it.
7.  Use equipment only according to its listing. UL is not the only =

listing authority, only the most well known.
8.  Get training.
9.  If you do not have the proper education, training and experience =

do not do it!
10. Buy insurance.

Jerry Gorrell
Theatre Safety Programs


 


------------------------------

Message-ID: <BAY110-DAV142CB85A79CE44B7919C08BDF90 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
References: <list-37338270 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: MSDAS
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:10:55 -0800

Richard I am included in that, if you drive in SoCal on the highway system. 
I most likely made the some of the automation for the concrete production 
plants that made it and possibly made the concrete my self during testing. 
And not to mention SCAQMD or MSHA here in the Golden State.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
---------------------------------------------------

Dear Chris,
"But don't say we didn't warn you!"
/s/ Richard [Along with Jerry, from the most HIGHLY regulated state.]
_____________________________ 


------------------------------

From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:27:45 GMT
Subject: Re: MSDAS
Message-Id: <20061030.212757.18186.740683 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com>

Yes, you are, and I am sorry for not mentioning you, but I was =

responding to Chris vis-a-vis Jerry's comment.
/s/ Richard
_________________________
Richard I am included in that, if you drive in SoCal on the highway =

system. I most likely made the some of the automation for the =

concrete production plants that made it and possibly made the =

concrete my self during testing. And not to mention SCAQMD or MSHA =

here in the Golden State.


----- Original Message ----- =

From: <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
---------------------------------------------------

Dear Chris,
"But don't say we didn't warn you!"
/s/ Richard [Along with Jerry, from the most HIGHLY regulated state.]
_____________________________ =





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From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: DMX Splitter problem
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:14:45 -0500
Message-ID: <000001c6fcd5$65e5f240$6901a8c0 [at] pepys>
In-Reply-To: <list-37333622 [at] prxy.net>


> -Yes, it's a combo splitter with 3, 3pin outputs and 2, 5pin 
> outputs

Does this unit has a switch that reverses the polarity?

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