Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 37843995; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:02:16 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1012 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:01:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1012 1. Re: Trash day by Dale farmer 2. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by "Michael Finney" 3. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by Rigger 4. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by Herrick Goldman 5. Re: Turning off main breakers by Dale farmer 6. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by Herrick Goldman 7. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by Rigger 8. Re: Big Bang by "Bill Nelson" 9. Re: hosed by the boss by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: Turning off main breakers by Brian Aldous 11. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by MissWisc [at] aol.com 12. Re: Turning off Main Breakers by Heather Carter 13. Re: Thanks to Jared by "Occy" 14. Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn by "Occy" 15. Cirque du Soleil Dubai. by Simon Shuker 16. Re: hosed by the boss by "Occy" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <4551423F.5040303 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:34:39 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Trash day References:

In-Reply-To: Charlie Richmond wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Barney Simon wrote: > >>> "It's time to take out the trash - don't forget to vote!" >> Here in NJ, I really wanted to write in "Binky the Dachshund Dog", the >> choices we have given ourselves are both real wieners. > > It's not about the individual candidates this time: > > 5 Good Reasons to Vote Today (From Michael Moore) > ** Excretia deletia ** > > Reading this product direct from the other end of the horse makes me feel dirty. Please don't degrade our list with *that* person's words. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:46:20 -0800 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F1A3C39 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" CB wrote: <> <> Dave Vick replied: <> A couple of my riggers have figured out that there are enough of us headed that way that it may be worth chartering a bus. Cocktails will be served. Herrick can act as conductor and fun monitor. We now return you to work. Darn it. =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:50:23 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn At 6:46 PM -0800 11/7/06, Michael Finney wrote: >CB wrote: > ><fruit>> ><> > >Dave Vick replied: ><> > >A couple of my riggers have figured out that there are enough of us >headed that way that it may be worth chartering a bus. >Cocktails will be served. >Herrick can act as conductor and fun monitor. Once we actually get there, I've already reserved three dozen seats by the soda machine for my biker friends. OTOH Herrick as Cruise Director bears further investigation... Sporting clays on the fantail, I hope? -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:55:13 -0500 Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33462002.1162954204648.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Damn Skippy! I can. I'm certified. PS anyone in Houston? I'm in the Toyota Center on Saturday with a Handful of toys. Dinner/drinks Friday evening? Late night entertainment Saturday night/ Sunday Morning? And you Lads in London, Heads up, I just got a show there in March. Start practicing or you'll be under the table when I leave in April. :) -Herrick On 11/7/06 9:46 PM, "Michael Finney" wrote: > Cocktails will be served. > > Herrick can act as conductor and fun monitor. > > We now return you to work. Darn it. > > Michael Finney > Thinkwell Design & Production > mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com > www.thinkwelldesign.com > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <455147F5.6030908 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:59:01 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Turning off main breakers References: In-Reply-To: Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, so on Sunday's matinee, everyone's a-panic: we have no lights! > There's no power to the dimmers! Having worked in that theatre for many > years, I was pretty sure I knew what the problem was. I went to the > booth, "clunked" on the 200A breaker, and lo and behold we had light. > > I haven't run lights in that theatre for many years, but when I did, it > was SOP to turn off the breaker after each show. Apparently, someone > decided it would cause too much wear and tear on the breaker. So, what's > SOP in other peoples' theatres - do you leave the main breaker on, or > kill power to the racks? > it depends. The commonly installed breakers are usually not rated for as many open/close cycles as you would want for a daily shutdown. This will cause wear on the breaker after a few years, and tends to have it trip unexpectedly when someone bumps into the wall or drops something heavy nearby. Switching to a contactor or a switch after the breaker that is rated for the duty cycle would take care of that problem. Unless there is some specific reason to turn them off, I'd leave them on. Shutting off for an extended downtime would be reasonable, reducing wear and tear on the cooling fans and saving a little electricity. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:13:03 -0500 Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1370333.1162955244911.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Nope "sporting producers" on the fantail. "Pull!" Sigh "Drifting to the left" On 11/7/06 9:50 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > OTOH Herrick as Cruise Director bears further investigation... > Sporting clays on the fantail, I hope? -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:33:39 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn At 10:13 PM -0500 11/7/06, Herrick Goldman wrote: >> OTOH Herrick as Cruise Director bears further investigation... >> Sporting clays on the fantail, I hope? > > Nope "sporting producers" on the fantail. "Pull!" Sigh "Drifting > to the left" Wooo... I better pack the old 6-gauge. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3161.64.28.52.189.1162960695.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:38:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Big Bang From: "Bill Nelson" > the show, there was a flash and bang from one of the par cans over the > orchestra pit. With no screens in the cans back in those days, the Unfortunately, the screens are fairly coarse mesh - at least in our PAR64s. The glass chunks that can get through would be large enough to burn someone. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3164.64.28.52.189.1162960834.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:40:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: hosed by the boss From: "Bill Nelson" > I think that you could have avoided it by putting > something on the schedule that any outside observer > would perceive as "something scheduled". The most logical would be "tech rehearsal" or "tech night". Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3C41D779-3EF1-49A6-BDB2-276761E3FBA8 [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: Turning off main breakers Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:44:59 -0500 On Nov 7, 2006, at 9:46 PM, Stagecraft wrote: > From: Jim Hyslop > Organization: Dreampossible Inc. > Subject: Turning off main breakers > > OK, so on Sunday's matinee, everyone's a-panic: we have no lights! > There's no power to the dimmers! Having worked in that theatre for > many > years, I was pretty sure I knew what the problem was. I went to the > booth, "clunked" on the 200A breaker, and lo and behold we had light. > > I haven't run lights in that theatre for many years, but when I > did, it > was SOP to turn off the breaker after each show. Apparently, someone > decided it would cause too much wear and tear on the breaker. So, > what's > SOP in other peoples' theatres - do you leave the main breaker on, or > kill power to the racks? > > -- > Jim Hyslop I was taught by an electrical engineer not to use the mains breaker as a switch: "A breaker is not a switch. Tripping it manually puts wear & tear on it; doing so daily will eventually weaken it to the point that it will trip below the rated load, inconveniencing all and causing the electricians to busy themselves searching for an "overload" or short that doesn't exist. If you want a [blankety] switch, install a [blankety] switch." If you want to turn off the dimmers, get a nice big old disconnect switch. I cannot think that any of the modern dimmer-per-circuit type theatres would ever shut the dimmers down, considering how House/ Stage/Work lighting is usually configured these days. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <391.d3cb373.3282cad0 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:53:20 EST Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn _rigger [at] tds.net_ (mailto:rigger [at] tds.net) writes: << I've already reserved three dozen seats by the soda machine for my biker friends. >> Interesting... I find that my biker friends are more "faith-filled" than my non-biker friends. Soda machine? I thought it was "in heaven there is no beer!" Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Heather Carter Subject: Re: Turning off Main Breakers Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 01:17:56 -0500 Jim- This has varied for me by individual venue and dimmers. The place with the old (mid-to late 1960s) Hub dimmers taking up a whole office? Power off at the breaker, definately. Where I went to 'College, part 2'? Newer dimmers (relatively speaking- at least they didn't need a whole dedicated room for 60!), but we still shut off "Ozzy" and "Harriet" each night. Anywhere I've been with newer dimmers- like Sensors- it's been a non-issue. Convenient, yes, but I miss asking if Ozzy and Harriet have been killed (or less violently, "put to bed") each night... --Heather Carter. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Thanks to Jared Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:42:12 -0800 Jared, The best of the best work! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan S. Deull" --------------------------------------------------- A special Stagecraft List thank you to Jared Fortney who graciously hosted my high school stagecraft students this morning for a backstage tour of Cirque du Soleil's Corteo in Washington, DC. It was a great opportunity for the kids to get exposure to the real world, and Jared did a great job of showing them that all of the "gee whiz" ultimately comes down to a team of committed and creative human beings working their tails off to make the magic happen. Thanks again, Jared! Jonathan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Jonathan S. Deull Performing Arts Department Edmund Burke School Washington, DC email: jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com web: www.clarktransfer.com/jsd.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: D. Adams. and a philosophic turn Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:45:32 -0800 Hey you all make way to much noise in the dark, turn on the lights and you all shut up and be quite. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Oh sure, lighting gets blamed when sound doesn't have their grounds > >sorted > >out. ;) > > Look, when I run a cable from the back of the ballroom all the way up to > the mix position, and some squint comes and plugs a dimmer into my strip, > "cause it was closer", it ain't that I don't have my ground 'figured out'. > If my speakers started to make the lights go up and down, you'd vote for > mime! Heaven forfend that speakers ever start glowing! (He started it, > Ma!) ; > > [This e-mail had been labeled 'J' for 'Joke', for the humourously > impaired.] > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45518BD8.6020107 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:48:40 +0400 From: Simon Shuker Subject: Cirque du Soleil Dubai. References:

In-Reply-To: > Is anyone off this list working on Cirque du Soleil on its forthcoming show in Dubai? ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: hosed by the boss Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 23:51:09 -0800 Personally if I had known of this ahead of time, it would be time to eq the sound system, both houst and stage and check the delay system. You know lots of white, pink and the very annoying click for timing adjustments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storms, Randy" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: hosed by the boss For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >Maybe I'm misreading this, but why not just allow the baseball meeting? Gee, Steve, you should be a high school administrator! We *could* have allowed the meeting, but the point is, I chose not to. A big part of that decision was that letting this one slip in would set a bad precedent that the blackout periods I set are not important - and they *are*. The larger issue is the manner in which my pointy-haired boss chose to handle it - I still can't believe it! >Most shows I've designed, there's not much to mess up unless people >climb up on stage and start messing w/lights or props. >Seems the most that would be needed is to program a wash cue for the >lights, and set up a mic. >High schools where I've sometimes worked have study halls and other >meetings in the space throughout the day, up to and thru the run. It's >rather rare that the auditorium gets locked up completely. There are a *bunch* of factors that you, the baseball coach, and my esteemed vice principal have not taken into account. First on my list, it's a musical, so our thrust cover has been removed, and there's a nice 8' drop to the pit. We can't close the curtains or move the set. Our lighting and sound setups *are* complicated, and I'm not willing to change even one little bit of our setup to accommodate a last minute sports meeting the night before we open! Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Steven Haworth Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 2:18 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: hosed by the boss For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- But drops and sets should all be spiked, so just move them back, close the curtain, and let 'em meet. Admittedly, if the light or sound consoles are complex, you might have to have someone (yourself) there to run that one mic and bring up the wash cue, so it's more work for you. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1012 ******************************