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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 38778845; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:55:20 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_SPEC_PROLEO_M2,SARE_SPEC_REPLICA_OBFU, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1028 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:54:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1028 1. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by Stephen Litterst 2. Re: Old Timers by Loren Schreiber 3. Re: Old Timers by "Kurt Cypher" 4. Re: Zen and Motorcycles by Loren Schreiber 5. Re: Educational theatre by "Scott Parker" 6. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "Jon Ares" 7. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 8. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "Jon Ares" 10. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: Educational Theatre by Brendan Quigley 12. Re: mystery instruments by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by Bruce Purdy 14. Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 15. Re: Another certified rigger by Herrick Goldman 16. Wanted: used non-AF Sensor CEM by Ron Cargile 17. More Pertinent Topic? by Stan Jensen 18. Re: More Pertinent Topic? by Bruce Purdy 19. Re: "Chicago" 10th anniversary gala by "Brian Munroe" 20. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: More Pertinent Topic? by "Brian Munroe" 22. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: Another certified rigger by Bill Sapsis 24. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 25. Re: Another certified rigger by "Delbert Hall" 26. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Another certified rigger by "Delbert Hall" 28. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by Jerry Durand 29. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by Jim Hyslop 30. Re: Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 31. Re: Neutral Density by Chip Wood 32. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by Bruce Purdy 33. Re: Neutral Density by Andy Ciddor 34. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by Norman Lazarus 35. Re: Neutral Density by Chip Wood 36. Re: Another certified rigger by "Delbert Hall" 37. Re: Old Timers by Rigger 38. Re: Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 39. Re: Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 40. Re: Another certified rigger by "Steven Santos" 41. Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 42. Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 43. Re: Another certified rigger by Rigger 44. Re: Another certified rigger by "Delbert Hall" 45. Re: Neutral Density & Intensity in Theater by Herrick Goldman 46. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 47. Re: Another certified rigger by Bill Sapsis 48. Re: Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 49. Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra by "Jared Fortney" 50. Re: Another certified rigger by "Brian Munroe" 51. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by Rigger 52. How do you un-wind/de-stress by b Ricie 53. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Rigger 54. Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra by Bill Sapsis 55. Re: Another certified rigger by "Delbert Hall" 56. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by "Brian Munroe" 57. Coloring Rope Was Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra by "Rob Riddle" 58. T-Rex in KC by Steve Shelley 59. Re: T-Rex in KC by Rigger 60. Re: Neutral Density by "Nigel Worsley" 61. Re: T-Rex in KC by Steve Shelley 62. Re: T-Rex in KC by Steve Shelley 63. Re: Another certified rigger by Bill Sapsis 64. Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument by "Bill Nelson" 65. Re: Fire Effects on Stage by "Bill Nelson" 66. Re: Neutral Density by CB 67. Re: Lt. of Inishmore by CB 68. Re: Neutral Density by Andy Ciddor 69. Re: mystery instruments by CB 70. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Clive Mitchell 71. Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) by CB 72. Re: How do you deal...? by CB 73. Cut advertisements (was Re: mystery instruments) by "Paul Puppo" 74. Re: "Chicago" 10th anniversary gala by CB 75. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Herrick Goldman 76. Re: How do you deal...? by CB *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <45644C53.5090006 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:10:43 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage References:

In-Reply-To: Robert Graham wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I don't think that re-inventing the wheel makes sense for a thesis, if > you ask me. > > Seems to me that a thesis project would be better spent on trying to > come up with something new, or researching something, Ryan didn't really explain the class. The Seminar in Technical Production at Ithaca College is a senior level course for students in the technology concentration. Students in the course work with the professor and industry mentors to identify an area of theatre technology to research and explore. Usually it's an area above and beyond what is taught in other department classes. The lion's share of the course is research, culminating in a paper and presentation on the topic. It's a fun class as the students learn more about their topic but also research methods and the topics of their fellow classmates. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061122061040.048cf980 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:12:38 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Old Timers In-Reply-To: References: Yeah--and in my day we had to walk upstage both ways! :-) At 03:02 AM 11/22/2006, you wrote: > >"In my day we didn't need chain moters, we had a simple block and >fall... and we liked it! None of this new fangled show automation... We >used twelve IA stagehands and an ASM... and we liked it! > Loren "Grits" Schreiber Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes Join us (or just sit on your butt and send money!) http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:25:33 -0500 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Old Timers In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Loren Schreiber wrote: > > Yeah--and in my day we had to walk upstage both ways! :-) > Through 3 feet of fake snow! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061122061311.048d8ae8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:26:40 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Zen and Motorcycles In-Reply-To: References: Here's a thought: how about all you academic technical directors take a break from the anxiety of watching students using a table saw and join the Long Reach Long Riders to clear your head. I think most of the current riders would concur with the sentiment below. Deflect that anxiety into something positive like raising a few bucks in the name of taking care of our own--stagehands who have suffered a catastrophe or devastating disease. And you can do so while enjoying the company of some pretty cool biker/theatre people, many of whom post on this list. > >> I get my head cleared fastest while riding twisty roads in the boonies. Loren "Grits" Schreiber Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes Join us. (Or just sit on your butt and send money!) http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980611220654w5882af41g1a0ead653e003552 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:54:17 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Educational theatre In-Reply-To: References: Tim, Excellent post. Scott On 11/21/06, Tim Catlett wrote: > That being said, I hope that someday some of our best and brightest > students get to cross paths with many of you. They are (for the most > part) very good and creative people who want to learn at every turn. > Give them opportunities to fail and they will succeed beyond your > wildest expectations. > > Thanks, > -- > Tim Catlett > Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama > Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare > Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary > Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) > Cell: 414.975.4424 > EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c70e47$ad38b4b0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:05:40 -0800 > Dear Davy, > It sounds like you may have preferred Tempura so the color would just > stay on Temporarily. Eh.... painting with Tempura is sometimes preferred, but getting the paint off the deep-fryed veggie and seafood delicacy on to the flat is where experience pays off. ;) I think you meant "Tempra" paint. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:15:57 GMT Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument Message-Id: <20061122.071612.833.799296 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Jon, Actually, I WAS reaching for a Triple-Entente, rather than a more = mundane Double-Entente. I guess I crashed and burned that time... /s/ Richard _______________________________ > Dear Davy, > It sounds like you may have preferred Tempura so the color would = just stay on Temporarily. ___________________ Eh.... painting with Tempura is sometimes preferred, but getting the = paint off the deep-fryed veggie and seafood delicacy on to the flat = is where experience pays off. ;) I think you meant "Tempra" paint. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative = ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901c70e4a$88f5d710$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I think you meant "Tempra" paint. I think *you* meant "Tempera" paint. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000a01c70e4b$89835490$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:33:19 -0800 >> I think you meant "Tempra" paint. > > I think *you* meant "Tempera" paint. Oy.... so I did. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00fc01c70e4c$3c93c8d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: 'S OK; it's not like *I* can paint worth a damn with any of 'em.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:06:38 -0500 From: Brendan Quigley Subject: Re: Educational Theatre In-reply-to: Message-id: References: Tim Catlett tapped ... > While beating up on Frank might be gratifying in a lot of ways, there > comes a point when it is sufficient to be quietly angry at him and > move on to more important and pertinent topics. Well, I gotta be honest: I thought Frank crossed a line. A bit one. However, I have firmly held my tongue (save for the last post) regarding Frank for YEARS since I got lit up for pointing out his inadequacies in an email when I was still teaching at Collin County Community College. And that was more than 10 years ago. You're right ... people have been beating up on Frank for years ... but I don't believe that being "quietly angry" at him will ever teach him a lesson. I think I shall have to do what my good friend Dave Vick (and probably others) has done: filter Frank's idiocies directly to the trash. Do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars. I'm all for more pertinent topics: who's got one?? Kind Regards, Brendan C. Quigley Head Electrician / Vari*Lite Technician WICKED - A New Broadway Musical ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: mystery instruments Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:31:26 -0500 >> The term (as I have had it related to me) has it's etymology in a >> 'cut >> sheet' for, say, a flat, with all the 'cuts' listed on it, and a >> diagram of >> how it should look when it's all put together, i.e., which pieces >> go where. >> Fer essample: > > That would be a "cut list with diagram" me thinks. I always > envisioned a "cut sheet" as being a page cut-out of the catalogue. A > one page description of the item with pertinent measurements included. Interesting topic! I may be wrong - it wouldn't be the first time - but I always assumed it came from an old (Archaic now?) advertising term. In the rusty dusty recesses of my memory, it seems to me that advertising illustrations were referred to as "Cuts". Back when they were metal plates and later pressed paper mats. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:40:26 -0500 On 21 Nov 2006, at 14:44, Ryan McAlpine wrote: > I am a senior BFA technical production student at Ithaca College doing > a senior thesis/practicum about fire effects done on stage. If fire effects done on stage is your topic, it might not hurt to mention that in the aftermath of the Station fire, open flame effects are discouraged in many instances. (SOMEONE had to say it!) On the other hand, if you are researching historical methods used, you may have seen a very interesting post from Jerry Durand last month about flaming magnesium pellets being propelled across the stage to represent lightning! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:45:25 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Another certified rigger On 11/22/06, Brendan Quigley wrote: > I'm all for more pertinent topics: who's got one?? Yesterday I took the ETCP certified rigger - theatre exam and I am happy to report that I passed. As Delbert has mentioned, there were 165 questions of which 150 where scored. My score was 133/150 or about 89%. The computer testing procedure was great. It was easy to use and they have a method for 'bookmarking' questions that you want to go come back to later. Some questions seemed to be very similar, just worded slightly differently. The 3 hour limit was plenty, I finished in just over 2 hours, with a review of my answers. The test pointed out areas where I need to improve my knowledge (OSHA regs, motor service factors) because I had no idea what was the correct answer. I also had a little trouble with some of the bridle tension questions, mostly because it is not something I deal with on a daily basis and I did not get a chance to review that area as much as I would like to before the exam. I am contemplating taking the arena exam and will obviously need to review bridle tension before I do that. I know it is impossible, but it would be handy if ETCP would tell you what questions you got wrong. I also wonder what the pass/fail rate is. I would think that if you can qualify to take the exam, you can probably pass it. I was provided with pencils and scratch paper, which I needed to sign and return. I was allowed to bring my scientific calculator. My appointment confirmation from GoAMP indicated that I would be provided with a scale rule and a geometric formula table, which I was not. However, I did not ask about them and didn't need to use them, so maybe the exam supervisior (an H&R Block guy) didn't know to give them to me. There was one other person in my testing room, taking a different test. So I am glad that I took and passed this exam and recommend to anyone who deals with rigging on a regular basis. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:03:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Another certified rigger From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5483451.1164214558077.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Congrats Brian! -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.2.20061122092059.0217de50 [at] uci.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:25:15 -0800 From: Ron Cargile Subject: Wanted: used non-AF Sensor CEM Hello All, I am in search of a used but still fully functional ETC Sensor CEM for a 48 rack that is NOT an AF unit. I have an aging system without a spare, and new ones are a bit out of my range at the moment. If anyone has one that they want to sell, or might be able to point me in the right direction, please email me off-list. I appreciate it as always! TIA ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of Calif, Irvine (via digest) ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Stan Jensen Subject: More Pertinent Topic? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:00:18 -0500 On Nov 22, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Brendan Quigley wrote: > . . . I'm all for more pertinent topics: who's got one?? Perhaps this. Would any of you care to chime in regarding the best place to start looking for an architect/designer/installer of a new stage floor? Pit cover lift system? We have a capital funding campaign possibility here in mid-Michigan, and I really don't know exactly where to begin. I expect all the local folks will claim to know what is best, but I would like to do this right. The floor is original with the building from ca. 1970. Wood, laid "flat" so some pretty severe splintering has been occurring over the last few years. Right now, large portions of it are covered in 1/4" hardboard. A complication to the problem is the fact that our huge apron/ orchestra cover is moved by a hydraulic lift that no longer holds its position well. (We have it posted up at the moment, so we can build scenery across the joint.) I need a recommendation for a consultant with a good track record. Stan Jensen Central Michigan University Department of Communication & Dramatic Art Moore 242 989 774 1990 jense1s [at] cmich.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <105F7928-3B67-4B1A-9E39-10A0C0940861 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: More Pertinent Topic? Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:28:29 -0500 > Would any of you care to chime in regarding the best place to start > looking for an architect/designer/installer of a new stage floor? > Pit cover lift system? We have a capital funding campaign > possibility here in mid-Michigan, and I really don't know exactly > where to begin. I can't speak to the pit cover lift system, but as to the Stage floor, it sounds like the floor we had (Only parts of ours dated back to the 30's and others to 1894!) Thanks to a lot of advice here in the list, I replaced (Covered) it with Plyron. I LOVE it! It was installed by a local carpenter. The one thing I would recommend (In hindsight - kicking myself now) is to have seams lined up with Centre line and Proscenium line. It's a PIA to keep telling folks that "The centre line is 8" stage right of this seam"! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:29:13 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: "Chicago" 10th anniversary gala In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/21/06, Jim Hyslop wrote: > "My Health & Safety card trumps your Wrong Department card, now get the > f&#k out of my way." > > Or am I being naive? What is this, Mille Bornes? Seriously, if someone is about to get hurt, everyone should pitch in to help, regardless of department assignments. I can understand the AC's reaction if the grips were trying to do too much with an understaffed department, but not if they were in immediate danger. Why were only 2 grips handeling the dolly in the first place? If they were moving it in such a way that it had a chance to be dropped, there should have been 4 grips, not 2. I think the Chapman costs as much as a minivan as well. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:43:01 EST Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) In a message dated 22/11/06 03:29:18 GMT Standard Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > I'm married to a Brit and I think Frank's reply was more > > about being English > > Vs American than being callous. > > Perhaps, but they're not mutually exclusive. It's what we call: "keeping a stiff upper lip." It means not betraying one's emotions, rather than not having any, and is getting unfashionable. It is, however, the way I was brought up, my father being born in 1892. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:45:28 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: More Pertinent Topic? In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: > The one thing I would recommend (In hindsight - kicking myself now) > is to have seams lined up with Centre line and Proscenium line. It's > a PIA to keep telling folks that "The centre line is 8" stage right > of this seam"! Yea, that would be a pita. It is so much easier to layout a show when the floor seams fall on the center and plaster lines. Going back to a previous discussion on what plaster line really is, I would recommiend lining your flooring up with the upstage edge of your proscenium. I would also recommend running your sheets with the long side running left and right, not up and down. If you are staggering the seams, have a contious seam at plaster line, running left and right, and split center with every other row running upstage. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <306.24c54c20.3295f537 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:47:19 EST Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage In a message dated 22/11/06 06:59:55 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Not really a major break. I wrote before about using a stick with kerosene > lantern wick wrapped around it - in a community college theatre > production. There were several torches, not just one. > > We had the full blessing of the local fire marshal. On the other hand, he > probably would never accept sacking as the wick. Why not? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:51:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Another certified rigger From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Damn. There goes the neighborhood. ONLY KIDDING!!!!!!!! Congrats Brian. I will pass your scale rule and formula table problems on to Katie at the ETCP office. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 11/22/06 11:45 AM, "Brian Munroe" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 11/22/06, Brendan Quigley wrote: > >> I'm all for more pertinent topics: who's got one?? > > Yesterday I took the ETCP certified rigger - theatre exam and I am > happy to report that I passed. As Delbert has mentioned, there were > 165 questions of which 150 where scored. My score was 133/150 or > about 89%. > > The computer testing procedure was great. It was easy to use and they > have a method for 'bookmarking' questions that you want to go come > back to later. Some questions seemed to be very similar, just worded > slightly differently. The 3 hour limit was plenty, I finished in just > over 2 hours, with a review of my answers. > > The test pointed out areas where I need to improve my knowledge (OSHA > regs, motor service factors) because I had no idea what was the > correct answer. I also had a little trouble with some of the bridle > tension questions, mostly because it is not something I deal with on a > daily basis and I did not get a chance to review that area as much as > I would like to before the exam. I am contemplating taking the arena > exam and will obviously need to review bridle tension before I do > that. > > I know it is impossible, but it would be handy if ETCP would tell you > what questions you got wrong. I also wonder what the pass/fail rate > is. I would think that if you can qualify to take the exam, you can > probably pass it. > > I was provided with pencils and scratch paper, which I needed to sign > and return. I was allowed to bring my scientific calculator. My > appointment confirmation from GoAMP indicated that I would be provided > with a scale rule and a geometric formula table, which I was not. > However, I did not ask about them and didn't need to use them, so > maybe the exam supervisior (an H&R Block guy) didn't know to give them > to me. There was one other person in my testing room, taking a > different test. > > So I am glad that I took and passed this exam and recommend to anyone > who deals with rigging on a regular basis. > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:52:13 EST Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument In a message dated 22/11/06 15:06:44 GMT Standard Time, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > Eh.... painting with Tempura is sometimes preferred, but getting the paint > off the deep-fryed veggie and seafood delicacy on to the flat is where > experience pays off. ;) > > I think you meant "Tempra" paint. It's actually Egg Tempera. The pigment is bound with eggs, and it is a very old technique. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:58:46 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References: <5483451.1164214558077.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Congratulation Brian. Based on my experience, it will take about six week before you get your "official" letter, patch, certificate, etc. Your reaction to to the exam is very similar to mine. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:01:28 EST Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage In a message dated 22/11/06 16:41:09 GMT Standard Time, bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: > If fire effects done on stage is your topic, it might not hurt to > mention that in the aftermath of the Station fire, open flame effects > are discouraged in many instances. (SOMEONE had to say it!) > > On the other hand, if you are researching historical methods used, > you may have seen a very interesting post from Jerry Durand last > month about flaming magnesium pellets being propelled across the > stage to represent lightning! Interesting. This might be a way to stage Shaw's "Passion, Poison and Petrefaction", which calls for three people to be visibly struck by lightning, in a particular order. The first is a policeman, which provides the excuse for the worst line in modern stage writing: "The copper attracted the lightning". Can anybody beat that? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:28 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

Based on the questions I had on the exam, the scale rule that I had was of no benefit. And although I did get the formula sheet, as soon as I saw it I knew that it would be of no benefit. I could thik of a lot of formular that would have been helpful, but they were not on the sheet. I too wish I could have been told the question that I missed. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:11:29 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061122110849.01f08238 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 11:01 AM 11/22/2006, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >Interesting. This might be a way to stage Shaw's "Passion, Poison and >Petrefaction", which calls for three people to be visibly struck by >lightning, in a >particular order. The first is a policeman, which provides the excuse for the >worst line in modern stage writing: "The copper attracted the lightning". Can >anybody beat that? I'd rather not be the catcher of "flaming balls". I've had them flying past my head and try my best to not get hit. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4564A6EA.6080701 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:37:14 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > Dear Jon, > Actually, I WAS reaching for a Triple-Entente, rather than a more > mundane Double-Entente. I guess I crashed and burned that time... > /s/ Richard > _______________________________ > >>Dear Davy, >>It sounds like you may have preferred Tempura so the color would > > just stay on Temporarily. > ___________________ > > Eh.... painting with Tempura is sometimes preferred, but getting the > paint off the deep-fryed veggie and seafood delicacy on to the flat > is where experience pays off. ;) > > I think you meant "Tempra" paint. > > - Jon Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative Richard, *I* got the joke. Dunno what that says about you. Or me. OK, that line of thought is best left undisturbed :-) Maybe you had to have the right "tempra"ment to get it -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:46:22 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > > Based on the questions I had on the exam, the scale rule that I had > was of no benefit. And although I did get the formula sheet, as soon > as I saw it I knew that it would be of no benefit. I could thik of a > lot of formular that would have been helpful, but they were not on the > sheet. I had no need for a scale rule. There might have been one available if I had remembered to ask. Unless the formula sheet had the formula for finding tension in a bridle leg, it would not have been of much use to me. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4564ADCD.3010709 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:06:37 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Neutral Density References: In-Reply-To: Joe Saint wrote: > 70% to 75% will result in a slight shift in intensity, affected by wattage > of the unit and the curve of the dimmer. In theory, the 5% bump at that > level will change about 15%, or 1/8th of a stop. Noticeable by most if > changed in a bump. Hard to gauge if a slow sneak (your iris will adjust at > one rate which may be faster than the speed of the sneak). > > As I spend a great deal of time with a light meter, I can safely say that I > can note a difference of intensity of less than 1/4 stop. If the edge is > distinct, like a sharp-ish shutter, I can tell the difference down to 1/10 > of a stop. > If you can see the difference in level, it must > have changed by a factor of approximately two, as this is the well > established threshold for the human perception of light intensity. > > Andy > > > > This is all addressed very well in S.S. Stevens' classic "Handbook of Experimental Psychology" where most the work on human perception and adaptability was done in 30's-50's. The "Bump" is called JND- "Just Noticeable Difference" Chip ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:29:14 -0500 On 22 Nov 2006, at 14:01, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > three people to be visibly struck by lightning, in a > particular order. The first is a policeman, which provides the > excuse for the > worst line in modern stage writing: "The copper attracted the > lightning". Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061123082122.0365fd88 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 08:32:00 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Neutral Density In-Reply-To: References:

At 07:06 23.11.2006, Chip Wood wrote: >This is all addressed very well in S.S. Stevens' classic "Handbook >of Experimental Psychology" where most the work on human perception >and adaptability was done in 30's-50's. The "Bump" is called JND- >"Just Noticeable Difference" Thanks for pointing this out Chip. I too studied perceptual psychology along time ago, and have used this material in my Vision and Optics courses. The experiments which established the JND - which turns out to be roughly the same (3dB / 1 f-stop, etc) for most sensory inputs - did not involve the kinds of judgements that Joe Saint described. There is no doubt that a trained observer, with supplementary cues, can frequently distinguish changes smaller than a JND. In my years as a TV LD I certainly was capable of noticing half-stop, and sometimes less, changes in the lighting I was using. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <756398.74649.qm [at] web51710.mail.yahoo.com> >I'm sorry if my post has upset you. It was not intended to. But as >you get older, you have to live with tragedies. Two good friends >of mine have come to very sticky ends, in the past, both due to >carelessness. One pulled out into the path of a speeding motor->bike, and got the contents of its fuel tank through >the driver's window, alight. His tape machine, when it came into >the workshop, looked like a steak which has spent far too long >on the barbecue. The other was working under a replica Jaguar >car he was building, when it fell on him, and he was crushed to >death. Yes I can see the parallel, hearing about a friend who died in a fire and seeing a burnt tape deck is exactly the same as the same as having someone come up to screaming in pain, bleeding heavily, trying to keep a part of their body from falling off, and then calling for an ambulance. The fact that you are older should not desensitize you to tragic situation, it should make you more sympathetic to those who have not had the same level of experience. Unlike some members of this list I fail to see the need of humoring you when you make these statements and just saying "its Frank being Frank". Since you do not see the need for an apology please stick to things relevant to this list. Like theater production and leave discussions about people management to those of us who have a better understanding of such things. Norman Lazarus ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4564C845.4080109 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:59:33 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Neutral Density References:

In-Reply-To: Andy Ciddor wrote: > The experiments which established the JND - which turns out to be > roughly the same (3dB / 1 f-stop, etc) for most sensory inputs - did not > involve the kinds of judgements that Joe Saint described. There is no > doubt that a trained observer, with supplementary cues, can frequently > distinguish changes smaller than a JND. In my years as a TV LD I > certainly was capable of noticing half-stop, and sometimes less, changes > in the lighting I was using. > JND like most measurements is the mean of normal? (usually college sophs) perceptions. The variance out to 3-4 Sigma is rarely cited. The reason you got into the line of work you did may be due to your higher than normal sensitivity to light. I got into sound partly as a result of color blindness and a keen ear. We work with what we got. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:00:39 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

Brian, IIRC, the formula table showed the relationship between TAN, SIN, and COS (totally useless for me). I figured that bridle leg tensons would be a good formula to memorize, so I did. But, yes, those kinds of formulas would have been nice to have had on a formula sheet. Congrats again. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre Theatre Rigging Seminars www.delberthall.com 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:02:42 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Old Timers At 9:25 AM -0500 11/22/06, Kurt Cypher wrote: >> Yeah--and in my day we had to walk upstage both ways! :-) > > Through 3 feet of fake snow! And when we went bowling we didn't have those fancy shoes; we had to paint the numbers on the backs of our bare heels. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:15:14 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > IIRC, the formula table showed the relationship between TAN, SIN, and > COS (totally useless for me). I figured that bridle leg tensons would > be a good formula to memorize, so I did. But, yes, those kinds of > formulas would have been nice to have had on a formula sheet. > Congrats again. The Great Indian Chief Sohcahtoa. I did use Tangent to find allowable fleet angle. Bridal leg tensions would be a great formula to memorize. I just didn't have enough time lately to study as much as wanted to. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:34:09 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

> Bridal leg tensions would be a great formula to memorize. I just > didn't have enough time lately to study as much as wanted to. That should be "bridle leg tensions." Bridal leg tensions is a completely different set of formulas. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: Another certified rigger Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:21 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > IIRC, the formula table showed the relationship between TAN, SIN, and > COS (totally useless for me). I figured that bridle leg tensons would > be a good formula to memorize, so I did. But, yes, those kinds of > formulas would have been nice to have had on a formula sheet. > Congrats again. I don't know about everyone else, but quite frankly I am more than a little bothered that a rigging certification program stresses memorization of complex formulas. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:59:10 EST Subject: Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 22/11/06 20:07:11 GMT Standard Time, chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com writes: > This is all addressed very well in S.S. Stevens' classic "Handbook of > Experimental Psychology" where most the work on human perception and > adaptability was done in 30's-50's. The "Bump" is called JND- "Just > Noticeable Difference" Percerption tends to follow a logarithmic law, and the bel and decibel are used on this basis, in sound measurement. There is confusion generated by the difference between power levels and voltage levels, as the power is proportional to the square of the latter. This means that a 6dB increase in voltage is needed to double the power. Optical measurements are made on a similar basis. As for dimmer levels, it depends on the dimmer law. With a linear law, a reduction to 70% voltage will roughly halve the light output, since an incandescent lamp has an approximately square law characteristic. Some modern dimmers can be set up to take this into account, so that 50% on the dimmer means 50% light. It is more usual that 70% on the dimmer is 50% light, and 50% on the dimmer is 25% light. All these have an effect on the colour temperature, which is best assessed by eye, unless you are in a TV studio. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:03:41 EST Subject: Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 22/11/06 21:31:38 GMT Standard Time, aciddor [at] kilowatt.com.au writes: > The experiments which established the JND - which turns out to be > roughly the same (3dB / 1 f-stop, etc) for most sensory inputs - did > not involve the kinds of judgements that Joe Saint described. There > is no doubt that a trained observer, with supplementary cues, can > frequently distinguish changes smaller than a JND. In my years as a > TV LD I certainly was capable of noticing half-stop, and sometimes > less, changes in the lighting I was using. Back in the days of stud faders for sound, 1dB was the standard JND, and this was the level change between studs, in the higher ranges. At lower sound levels, bigger changes were accepted. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:03:50 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Another certified rigger At 5:40 PM -0500 11/22/06, Steven Santos wrote: >I don't know about everyone else, but quite frankly I am more than a little >bothered that a rigging certification program stresses memorization of >complex formulas. Why? We already have to memorize "A squared plus B squared equals C squared" and "Sohcahtoa;" what possible harm is knowing other pertinent formulae? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:22:04 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

You do not need a scientific calculator to work this kind of problem. You could 1) use the 1:40 rule (for each unit of distance between the sheaves, you can have 1/40th of a unit of allowable offset), or 2) remember that the TAN of 1.5 degrees (the max allowable offset in degrees) is roughly 0.026 (multiply the distance between the sheaves by 0.026 to get the maximum allowable offset distance). These are easy formulas to remember, and both work fine. Now remembering the formula for finding the resultant force(RF) of an angle (without using trig) that is a formula that I did not want to have to remember (with trig it is RF= SIN of angle/SIN of (angle/2)) . -Delbert On 11/22/06, Brian Munroe wrote: > The Great Indian Chief Sohcahtoa. I did use Tangent to find allowable > fleet angle. -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre Theatre Rigging Seminars www.delberthall.com 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:22:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Neutral Density & Intensity in Theater From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <937882.1164236664297.JavaMail.root [at] m41> For those of you who get PSLN you should read the interview with Jules and Peggy. When Asked "What are the changes you've seen in the theatrical lighting industry over the many years you've been at it?" Jules states: " I'd like to do a study and compare levels from the 50's to levels of today. Today it's much brighter. But can we see better? No- Because we we see by a more important component, contrast. If we can't see more what's the value in it" He goes on a bit more but I find it interesting that the magazines are having concurrent conversations to ours. _herrick -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:25:37 EST Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) In a message dated 22/11/06 21:46:58 GMT Standard Time, normanlazarus [at] yahoo.com writes: > Yes I can see the parallel, hearing about a friend who > died in a fire and seeing a burnt tape deck is exactly > the same as the same as having someone come up to > screaming in pain, bleeding heavily, trying to keep a > part of their body from falling off, and then calling > for an ambulance. It's not quite the same, as I was not present on either occasion. To some extent, my imagination can make up for this, but not totally.One just has to accept that terrible things like this happen. > > Unlike some members of this list I fail to see the > need of humoring you when you make these statements > and just saying "its Frank being Frank". Since you do > not see the need for an apology please stick to things > relevant to this list. Like theater production and > leave discussions about people management to those of > us who have a better understanding of such things. Norman. I don't need to be humoured. As has been said, I come from a different culture, although this is changing. My only view on the alleged science of Psychology is that is rubbish, poppycock, and so on. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:11:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Another certified rigger From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 11/22/06 5:40 PM, "Steven Santos" wrote: >> IIRC, the formula table showed the relationship between TAN, SIN, and >> COS (totally useless for me). I figured that bridle leg tensons would >> be a good formula to memorize, so I did. But, yes, those kinds of >> formulas would have been nice to have had on a formula sheet. >> Congrats again. > > I don't know about everyone else, but quite frankly I am more than a little > bothered that a rigging certification program stresses memorization of > complex formulas. It does not. It's just that the formulas are all anyone ever talks about. The test "stresses" (identifies) a well rounded level of experience. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:14:38 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Delbert Hall wrote: > You do not need a scientific calculator to work this kind of problem. > You could 1) use the 1:40 rule (for each unit of distance between the > sheaves, you can have 1/40th of a unit of allowable offset), or 2) > remember that the TAN of 1.5 degrees (the max allowable offset in > degrees) is roughly 0.026 (multiply the distance between the sheaves > by 0.026 to get the maximum allowable offset distance). > These are easy formulas to remember, and both work fine. IIRC, which I may not be, they were asking for maximum allowable fleet angle down to the nearest 1/8th inch. The 1:40 rule would not be accurate to an 1/8th. Why that accurate is beyond me. Personally, I use the 1:40 rule when laying out a show to decide if I need to mule or not. 1:40 is slightly less fleet angle than the allowable 1.5 degrees. I wonder how many shows and theatres that kick around wheels on the grid really adhere to the 1.5 degrees rule. Steve - I don't think they were stressing the memorization of complex formulas so much as the knowledge and application of the formulas. Yes, I would need to memorize that the formula for bridle tension is Tension1=(Weight*bridleLength1*Horizontal Distance2) /(VertDist1*HorzDist2 + VertDist2*HorzDist1). But if I was using that formula regularly I would just know it. It was only 1 question out of 150. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45c56d340611221623s45688aaeh76db9b9f0a718871 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:23:30 -0500 From: "Jared Fortney" Cc: iaeg [at] aol.com Subject: Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra In-Reply-To: References:

Hey Keith, any luck finding someone? I'm trying to have 200' of 1" polyester rope dyed and I'm not having much luck finding someone to do it. If you find a good dye house, preferably in the Southeast US, can you let me know. Anyone else have a suggestion? ( No, I couldn't buy black rope) Thanks, -Jared Fortney Rigger Cirque du Soleil, Corteo On 11/21/06, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > I am looking for someone capable of dying a large quantity of > stretch lycra, , approx 150 yds x 54 " ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:23:55 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/22/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: > It does not. It's just that the formulas are all anyone ever talks about. > The test "stresses" (identifies) a well rounded level of experience. It was definitely a well rounded test. If I had to identify one thing that seemed (emphasis on 'seemed') the most asked about or stressed, it would be the application of design factor. It also seemed that many of the questions where asking for the same knowledge as previous questions, but presented or worded in a different fashion. That, in my opinion, is a good technique. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:26:39 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) At 6:25 PM -0500 11/22/06, Frank Wood erupted from my trash can, picked up a red crayon in its fist, and scrawled in child-like fashion: > My only view on the alleged science of Psychology is that is > rubbish, poppycock, and so on. Your opinions of anything on this planet are invalid, null, void, and useless. You have as much knowledge of science as my ashtray does. In fact, you have less than that level of knowledge. My wife has dresses and shoes smarter than you. My cats have litter boxes smarter than you, and more useful to boot. You have amply demonstrated that you have less than zero humanity, therefore why should we hold any of your ludicrously stupid opinions to have any value at all? Your sole purpose on this planet is to be a bad example; a graphic illustration of what primates might have evolved into, if they hadn't taken a slight veering to the south and become human beings. Now piss off, you ignorant twat, before I lose my temper and forget how to be diplomatic. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism." -- Type O Negative ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <364313.8500.qm [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> >>>> I get my head cleared fastest while riding twisty roads in the boonies. > >In the past, I've found that a few dozen miles along Mulholland Drive >on a motorcycle has given me the serenity to best reflect upon life. Agreed. Mulholland's a nice ride, or was before the hooligans discovered it.<< I gave up the bike for a 4 wheel drive and the beach. The sticker that allows me to cruise the dunes ain't cheap, but it is far cheaper than a shrink, and a helluva lot better if ya ask me. We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer) Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:37:56 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress At 4:28 PM -0800 11/22/06, b Ricie wrote: >We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and >deal with adverse conditions from time to time. So how >do people un-wind? What do you do to make ya wanna go >back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer) Asked & answered: My motey-bike and a long, twisty road through the woods. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:40:26 -0500 Subject: Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Uh, Jared. Why couldn't you buy black rope? I have tons of it. Well, maybe not tons...but lots and lots. Double braid, 3-strand twisted and parallel core. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 11/22/06 7:23 PM, "Jared Fortney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey Keith, any luck finding someone? I'm trying to have 200' of 1" > polyester rope dyed and I'm not having much luck finding someone to do > it. If you find a good dye house, preferably in the Southeast US, can > you let me know. Anyone else have a suggestion? ( No, I couldn't buy > black rope) > > Thanks, > > -Jared Fortney > Rigger > Cirque du Soleil, Corteo > > On 11/21/06, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: >> I am looking for someone capable of dying a large quantity of >> stretch lycra, , approx 150 yds x 54 " ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:46:13 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Another certified rigger In-Reply-To: References:

I have to agree with Bill and Bryan, to pass the test you must have a broad (well-rounded) knowledge of rigging. There were fewer problems that required math than I expected, and more questions dealing with motors (hoists and friction drives) than I expected. I felt that there were questions that were focued on many different areas of rigging (operator, TD, show rigger, system installer, rigging designer/engineer). There were questions that I thought were too simple for this exam and at least two questions where I had no idea what the answers were. I think that is the way it should be. Minimum passing score as around 77%, which is a fairly high standard to expect, in my opinion. I think the folks who created this exam did a very good job. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre Theatre Rigging Seminars www.delberthall.com 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:47:37 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) In-Reply-To: References: On 11/22/06, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > I don't need to be humoured. As has been said, I come from a different > culture, although this is changing. My only view on the alleged science of > Psychology is that is rubbish, poppycock, and so on. Frank, meet Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise, meet Frank Wood. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00ab01c70e9b$879558e0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Coloring Rope Was Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:05:54 -0700 Questions ? Trying to dye after the fact polyester rope will be a pita as far as handling? Dye wearing in hands, clothes, etc.? Isn't polyester (rope) colored in the manufacturing process? and resistant to low temp colorization? Inquiring? Oh, Happy Thanksgiving to the Americans on the list. The rest of you can...well... just give thanks. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sapsis" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: contractor to dye large quantity of lycra > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Uh, Jared. Why couldn't you buy black rope? I have tons of it. Well, > maybe not tons...but lots and lots. Double braid, 3-strand twisted and > parallel core. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:12:47 -0500 Subject: T-Rex in KC From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi folks; I'm going to a usitt regional meeting in december in kansas city. Today I was flipping through the latest lighting & sound america and I saw the article about the new T-Rex dino-themed restaurant. Is anyone on the list connected with this venture? Is there any chance for a backstage tour for the young usitt attendees? Heck, I'd like to get a tour just to see it in person. The photos look very impressive. If you have info please contact me off-list, or you can contact dan stratman who is the head of the usitt heart of america region: Dan Stratman dstratma [at] unlnotes.unl.edu Thanks in advance, Shelley -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:20:35 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: T-Rex in KC At 8:12 PM -0500 11/22/06, Steve Shelley wrote: > Today I was flipping through the latest lighting & sound america > and I saw the article about the new T-Rex dino-themed restaurant. Not meaning to date myself, but I thought you were referring to a concert. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02a201c70e9e$691a6e70$0a00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Neutral Density Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 01:26:32 -0000 wrote: > There is confusion generated by the difference between power levels and voltage > levels, as the power is proportional to the square of the latter. Indeed there is, and you appear to be one of those that is confused: > This means that a 6dB increase in voltage is needed to double the power. No, a 6dB increase in voltage will cause a 12dB increase in power, which is approximately a 16 fold increase. A doubling of power is approximately a 3dB increase, which requires only a 1.5dB increase in voltage. I think you are getting confused with a 6dB increase in POWER, which is a doubling of the voltage. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:32:24 -0500 Subject: Re: T-Rex in KC From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I feel your date. dating. Daterization. Whatever. As I was carefully typing in the title of the magazine I flashed on the old david bowie tours....And at this point there are so many periodicals I can't keep track of which one does what. On 11/22/06 8:20 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 8:12 PM -0500 11/22/06, Steve Shelley wrote: > >> Today I was flipping through the latest lighting & sound america >> and I saw the article about the new T-Rex dino-themed restaurant. > > > Not meaning to date myself, but I thought you were referring to a concert. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:32:24 -0500 Subject: Re: T-Rex in KC From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I feel your date. dating. Daterization. Whatever. As I was carefully typing in the title of the magazine I flashed on the old david bowie tours....And at this point there are so many periodicals I can't keep track of which one does what. On 11/22/06 8:20 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 8:12 PM -0500 11/22/06, Steve Shelley wrote: > >> Today I was flipping through the latest lighting & sound america >> and I saw the article about the new T-Rex dino-themed restaurant. > > > Not meaning to date myself, but I thought you were referring to a concert. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Another certified rigger From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 11/22/06 7:46 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have to agree with Bill and Bryan, to pass the test you must have a > broad (well-rounded) knowledge of rigging. There were fewer problems > that required math than I expected, and more questions dealing with > motors (hoists and friction drives) than I expected. I felt that > there were questions that were focued on many different areas of > rigging (operator, TD, show rigger, system installer, rigging > designer/engineer). There were questions that I thought were too > simple for this exam and at least two questions where I had no idea > what the answers were. I think that is the way it should be. Minimum > passing score as around 77%, which is a fairly high standard to > expect, in my opinion. I think the folks who created this exam did a > very good job. > > -Delbert Thanks Delbert. If you want to see the list of people that worked on the exams go to The list does not identify who wrote the Theater exam and who wrote the Arena Exam but if you know the folks on the list you'll know who did what. I am very proud of them and the job we did together. Rocky Paulson, Eddie Raymond and I were the chairpersons of this fine group. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1298.205.215.254.219.1164247412.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:03:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Re[2]: Mystery Instrument From: "Bill Nelson" >> Actually, I WAS reaching for a Triple-Entente, rather than a more >> mundane Double-Entente. I guess I crashed and burned that time... >> /s/ Richard Are you sure you were not fishing for a triple entree? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1310.205.215.254.219.1164247960.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:12:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fire Effects on Stage From: "Bill Nelson" >> We had the full blessing of the local fire marshal. On the other hand, >> he probably would never accept sacking as the wick. Because of the concern, unjustified or not, of a unobserved smoldering ember dropping off and catching something on fire. The wicking does not fall apart quickly like sacking would. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122191003.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:10:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Neutral Density >far be it from me to correct CB but after all he is only a "sound guy" >and we need to help them in anyway we can you poor souls If I know, I post that it is a thing that I know. If I think that it is so, I post it as such. If it is a guess, I'll lable it like I did in the earlier post, "I'd guess that .03 is to take it down a third of a stop (soundguy)." Feel free to correct me when I'm wrong in any of the above situations, however! OTOH,I have herad the rolls of stuff in the back of my closet called 'ND1' and 'ND2'. Would that make the first one .03 Neutral Density and the second .06. Neutral Density? OYAH, '.03' doesn't equal a third in anyones' mathbook, so I shoulda guessed I was off the path already... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122191339.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:13:39 From: CB Subject: Re: Lt. of Inishmore >We get too caught up sometimes with 'realistic' special effects >forgetting that >one of the best special effects is the 'willing suspension of disbelief' To paraphrase the reply given one young actor by a more experienced actor on Broadway, (the younger actor was living in the gutter in NY and not bathing regularly to 'get into character, and explained as much to the older, knighted actor), "Try acting dear boy. Try acting." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061123134321.05f0a198 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:52:04 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Neutral Density In-Reply-To: References: At 06:10 23.11.2006, CB wrote: >OTOH,I have herad the rolls of stuff in the back of my closet called 'ND1' >and 'ND2'. >Would that make the first one .03 Neutral Density and the second .06. >Neutral Density? Correct!! >OYAH, '.03' doesn't equal a third in anyones' mathbook, so I shoulda >guessed I was off the path already... Stay with the noise stuff you know already and think in deciBels (or more correctly in Bels). 3dB or 0.3Bels is a factor of two (as is .3ND or one photographic f-stop) 6dB or 0.6Bels is a factor of four (as is .6ND or 2 f-stops) Andy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122192418.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:24:18 From: CB Subject: Re: mystery instruments >Hey Chris it looks like your more of a carpenter than you think You tell anyone and I'll deny it. I'll call you a liar in public too! I blame ny training. My best friend was a carp that went on to design lights. He called me as the guy that could lend a hand on an overnight once, 'cause I knew which end of the screw to hit with which end of the hammer. Truthfully, I was called in to do the scut-work so that they could continue with the art. The guy that owned the shop (husband and partner of one of our very own list-lurkers) ended up liking my work, and started me in the carpenterial arts. Just went over there today to do a littel bailing after some carp picked up his tools and walked off the job, as a matter of fact. He's even trained my to piss off electricity in a manner tha allows me to use the big glue-gun for steel! This is a secret, though, and if I start to get a buncha carp calls, I'm blaming you guys... I'd still like to hear an actual etymology of the term 'cut sheet'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:13:16 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress References:

In-Reply-To: In message , b Ricie writes >We all work long days, long hours and long weeks, and deal with adverse >conditions from time to time. So how do people un-wind? What do you do >to make ya wanna go back for more abuse? (I mean besides the beer) I either sit down in front of the computer with a large mug of tea and lose myself on the 'net, take something to bits or spank my monkey without mercy. (Well you did ask.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122200007.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:00:07 From: CB Subject: Re: How do you deal...? (follow-up) >Even losing an entire finger >or even two would hardly be "career-ending". Kinda depends on the career. Very few guitarist get to start a career with less than the assigned compliment of fingers. D'Jango aside, that is.... Very few students in tech classes end up as carps. I've lost the use of tow, and recently, most of the use of a third, and it hasn't chagned me that much, but playin' the bass and the guitar has pretty much gone away with the recent loss. Lose your hearing, you're a carp, lose your fingers, you're a drummer. Losing a finger may not be a huge impediment to a lot of jobs on the deck, but it does limit your choices outside of the theatre somewhat. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122200210.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:02:10 From: CB Subject: Re: How do you deal...? >I don't suppose it will come as too much of a surprise if I agree with these >two fine gentlemen. Is he being sarcastic, Dave, or is he insulting us? I can't really tell. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0611221934p29495710rc1de7bc7b3f51a2f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:34:48 -0800 From: "Paul Puppo" Subject: Cut advertisements (was Re: mystery instruments) I'm thinking "Mortise Cut" advertisement was what I saw on the cover of the Dover book... But I don't know where that term comes from... Wait, wait... the wheels are turning (stand back...) Mortise joint (insert tenon in to mortise...) ---> Mortise Cut advertisement (insert "blah, blah, blah" (shop name/proprietor) into opening in graphic) Maybe. Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 11/22/06, Bruce Purdy wrote: >I always assumed it came from an old (Archaic now?) advertising > term. In the rusty dusty recesses of my memory, it seems to me that > advertising illustrations were referred to as "Cuts". Back when they > were metal plates and later pressed paper mats. Does this sound > familiar to anyone? > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122201005.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:10:05 From: CB Subject: Re: "Chicago" 10th anniversary gala >"My Health & Safety card trumps your Wrong Department card, now get the >f&#k out of my way." >Or am I being naive? Yep, you are one hundred percent correct. OTOH, I don't know anyone that's gonna have the nutz to say anything like that on his second day of his first *real* union movie set, with a famed Director/DP/camera manufacturer sitting in the chair. I know tha I wasn't. Shoot, today I wouldn't even be that polite. I'm not exactly sure how I'd respond, but I'm pretty sure that "f%* [at] off" would come up real early in the conversation. I was the one that was being naive. I think I'm over it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:40:47 -0500 Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10785483.1164251878883.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Mine Eyes Mine Eyes!!!!! Aaaaarrrrgh Two words for me....War-CRAFT! Total p0wn8ge! Happy Turkey Day to all you folks in the USA. -H On 11/22/06 10:13 PM, "Clive Mitchell" wrote: > > I either sit down in front of the computer with a large mug of tea and > lose myself on the 'net, take something to bits or spank my monkey > without mercy. > > (Well you did ask.) -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061122201442.00c6a9a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:14:42 From: CB Subject: Re: How do you deal...? >In the past, I've found that a few dozen miles along Mulholland Drive >on a motorcycle has given me the serenity to best reflect upon life. Odd, my runs up Mullholland have led my reflections to homocide. There are three kinds of drivers I've experienced on that road: Lost, inexperienced, and thrillseekers. OR some combination of the above. There is a freeway in the trees just south of the Grand Canyon that is spectacular, and mostly deserted, though. Flagstaff to Cedar City for the Shakes Fest is worth teh cost of admission and then some. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1028 ******************************