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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 39154450; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:43:43 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,OBSCURED_EMAIL,SARE_SPEC_PROLEO_M2,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 (2006-08-29) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1039 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:43:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1039 1. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: Neutral Density and Color stuff and other stuff by Kim Hartshorn 3. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Ford Sellers 4. WNY Lister by "Jim and Dave Productions" 5. Re: Neutral Density by Paul Marsland 6. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Tony Tambasco 7. Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density by "Bill Nelson" 8. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Stephen Rees 9. Re: Neutral Density by Paul Marsland 10. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Ford Sellers 12. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Stephen Rees 13. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing by "Bill Conner" 14. Strand fixture archive question by Steve Shelley 15. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Nancy Moeur 16. Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 17. Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density by "Nigel Worsley" 18. Re: WNY Lister by Clive Mitchell 19. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by "Peter Scheu" 20. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Bruce Purdy 21. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Jerry Durand 22. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Stephen Rees 23. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing by Jerry Durand 24. Re: Digest #1033 - 1037, Whistler/Blackcomb/Lower Mainland SNOW by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 25. Hellerman tool by "Byron Lovelace" 26. Re: Digest #1033 - 1037, Whistler/Blackcomb/Lower Mainland SNOW by Herrick Goldman 27. Re: Hellerman tool by "Scott Parker" 28. Design fee? by Bill Potter 29. Re: Hellerman tool by Herrick Goldman 30. Re: Design fee? by Herrick Goldman 31. Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing by "Peter Scheu" 32. Re: Strand fixture archive question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 33. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Steve Bailey 34. Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 35. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Jerry Durand 36. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Jerry Durand 37. Worlds in Windows by "C. Dopher" 38. Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: Design fee? by KEITH ARSENAULT 40. Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 41. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Stephen Litterst 42. Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) by "Delbert Hall" 43. Re: Design fee? by "Steven Haworth" 44. Re: Design fee? by Michael Heinicke 45. Re: question for the pros by "Jeffrey Mulvey" 46. Re: Design fee? by Michael Heinicke 47. Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 48. Re: Really, now... by CB 49. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by CB 50. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Rigger 51. Re: Neutral Density by CB 52. Re: Really, now... by Rigger 53. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Rigger 54. hard portals by Anna 55. Re: Really, now... by Stuart Wheaton 56. Re: hard portals by Stuart Wheaton 57. Re: Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 58. Re: Neutral Density by CB 59. Re: Neutral Density by Rigger 60. Re: Really, now... by Rigger 61. Re: Neutral Density by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 62. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Steve Bailey 63. Re: Neutral Density by CB 64. Re: UV (was Neutral Density) by Andy Ciddor 65. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 66. Re: Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) by "Delbert Hall" 67. Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress by Rigger 68. Re: Neutral Density by Jim Hyslop 69. Re: Neutral Density by Jerry Durand 70. Re: Neutral Density by Jim Hyslop *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <00f001c7147f$debe15f0$0202a8c0 [at] HUNKACRAP> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:03:02 -1000 Skyy Vodka, blues guitar... Laters, Paul "Your embroidery is terrible," Tom needled, cruelly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061130082259.e3yl3ucvko8wosso [at] webmail.plattsburgh.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:22:59 -0500 From: Kim Hartshorn Subject: Re: Neutral Density and Color stuff and other stuff References: In-Reply-To: I think that there are quite a few of us on this list that express opinions and general knowledge based more upon experience than actual facts. I think it is one of the things that makes the list interesting as well as useful, so we should all be careful when throwing stones. That being said I will pass on my observations about why color correction and nd is important for film and tv and the sensitivity of the human eye. Someone said that actually the human eye is more sensitive than video and film and that it is the brain and human perception that 'adapts'. I am sure this is the case. But that is also the problem in film and video. It is because these media use multiple cameras or multiple angles. If the light characteristics are not identical from every angle there will be a perception 'jump' at every edit between different angles and shots. Perception can deal with the change in intensity and angle of light, if it is consistent with the lighting for the space, but the jump in color can look very odd, since our own perception compensates for the 'color' automatically. This is why video and film guys are so anal with their meters, for the very reason that they cannot trust their eyes! Color perception is fascinating and when I mess around with color in a photo editor I am always amazed at the range of color balance that I find acceptable, obviously, at least for me, there is no such thing as 'true' color. Now take two identical shots that you have balanced differently and jump back and forth between them and they both look wrong, this is what video and film guys deal with. Because dimming intensity with voltage changes the color temp of the filament, film and video cannot match intensity with dimmers, this is why they use ND. Watch a video crew balance 12 followspots for 8 cameras, (mix of Lycian and Strong, mostly 3k with a couple of 2k) and you've got a guaranteed 6 hours :-) happy listing Kim ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061130085310.02f5e138 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:56:02 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-Reply-To: References:

Bruce, Isn't there a great little restaurant about 5 mi south of town on the west side of the lake? Its a little place on the western side of the road with gourmet style food at reasonable rates. I think it's name relates to something nautical. We could meet there, if the others could forgo the Dino. At 12:18 AM 11/30/2006, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >>So Steve, you never said what you do to De-Stress. If you're into >>sailing, I can find you a position as crew for the boat I race on. >>We upstaters should get together for a BBQ sometime. :-) >>Let's see...That'd be Steve, Ford, Peter, Paul (honorary), and who >>else? > > Upstate NY members also include myself (Geneva) and Bob > Frame (Auburn). > >Bruce >____________________ >Bruce Purdy >Technical Director >Smith Opera House > > ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:06:25 -0500 From: "Jim and Dave Productions" Subject: WNY Lister Hey, I'm here too (Tonawanda to be specific) While I was still in the womb during the blizzard of '77 I think I made up for it during the recent 'October Suprise' running generators around to different elderly family members who would not leave their houses even though we have a gas fireplace and stove that worked just fine the 8 days we were without AC! (Plus a 4 wheel drive truck to get them around) oh well. We had a pretty cool light show the night the storm hit as branches fell and took out the mains feeding the transformer in my back yard. I could see the blue/green arcs out the front window. If all else fails, have Steve Rees try and get in touch with his former student who is a Yuengling Heir!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:18:03 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Re: Neutral Density In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <893652.93752.qm [at] web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Let's all just hope that what Frank Wood meant was that the [film/video] does not adjust to colour temperature variations as well as the human eye. F/V is far less sensitive, and far less forgiving. Paul > From: "C. Dopher" > Subject: Re: Neutral Density > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:53:42 -0500 > > Frank Wood wrote: > > > They [film/video] are also very much more > sensitive > > to colour temperature variations than is the human > eye > > A common myth, so I can't blame you for believing > that. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061130142211.93260.qmail [at] web50711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Tambasco Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress >>Let's see...That'd be Steve, Ford, Peter, Paul (honorary), and >>who else? Jim [at] RC4 wrote: >Do nearby Ontarians count? :) How about list newbs who are former North Country denizens, and now spend their time living between upstate NY and VT? Tony Tony Tambasco email: tambascot [at] yahoo.com cell: 716-450-8148 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1781.205.215.255.145.1164896610.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:23:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density From: "Bill Nelson" > Let's all just hope that what Frank Wood meant was > that the [film/video] does not adjust to colour > temperature variations as well as the human eye. F/V > is far less sensitive, and far less forgiving. Also, film and video do not handle intensity variation (contrast) is well as the eye. On the other hand, both film and video systems can be produced to be sensitive to UV and/or IR. The average human eye perceives neither. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:24:37 -0500 Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It will be here later tonite. :( Steve On 11/30/06 12:14 AM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It's now one day before December, it's currently 58 degrees (At > midnight!) and we have yet to see any snow on the ground so far this > season! The canal won't be ice covered for a while yet! > > Who stole our winter? > >> This is a great idea. So long as it is not ice covered. ;) >> >>> >>> So, shall we all meet somewhere mid-Erie Canal? > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:30:05 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Re: Neutral Density In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784943.87700.qm [at] web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Chris, this is an easy one. You let the DP and LD worry about stops and temps and the like. Then you can worry about whether the "SUCK" knob is turned up to thirty-leben or thirty-twelve :0) Paul > From: CB > The conversation thatwe were getting tow is how the > numbers on a CTO or CTB > color correction filter were arrived at. > Wiki's cute, but it's not 'reference quality'. I > like it, I use it, but I > run across too many of these kinds of errors to > actually put my rep on the > line with it. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <00f801c7148c$4165b530$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > and now spend their time living between > upstate NY and VT? Uh...that would be in the middle of Lake Champlain.... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20061130094505.03232630 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:45:42 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-Reply-To: References:

I love sailing!!! > > and now spend their time living between > > upstate NY and VT? > >Uh...that would be in the middle of Lake Champlain.... ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:46:28 -0500 Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Right! On Valcour Island with Champy. :) Steve On 11/30/06 9:31 AM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> and now spend their time living between >> upstate NY and VT? > > Uh...that would be in the middle of Lake Champlain.... > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004c01c7148e$c56e24f0$6501a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:49:42 -0600 Peter Scheu wrote: According to NFPA 701, yes, you do have to test IFR fabrics, although it seems counterintuitive. and Barney Simon posted: And speaking of counterintuitive, unless they have recently changed it, in NYC, the requirement of a mandatory re-treating of stage curtains every three years does NOT exempt IFR materials. To the first, I have to wonder who can say that IFR material will pass a flame resistance test in 20 years. It may be so but the characteristics of many materials change over time, especially if subjected to the often harsh environments that stage curtains are in: dust, dirt, heat, dry, in and out of trucks, and so on. I know that treated cotton velour will burn and flame if heated long enough - I believe within two or three days of being treated. To the latter, has anyone proposed a change with substantiation to the agency or bureau or whatever that is responsible for the NYC regulations? While NYC is an entity unto itself and I am not familiar with their policies and procedures, in most of the rest of the country there is a open and simple process to initiate code changes. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:11:02 -0500 Subject: Strand fixture archive question From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi folks; I'm doing some research in the strand archives. Today I'm trying to draw the strand lekolite series (black body, axial reflector, model numbers in the 21## series, distributed in the '80's). I've gotten cut sheets from jon primrose, who runs the excellent strand archive web site (www.strandarchive.co.uk). At the present time though, since I don't have any of these fixtures next to me, and since I haven't handled any of the units since '95, I can't remember a basic construction configuration: Is the back assembly, that is, from the gate to the back of the instrument (including the alzak reflector and the lamp socket) the SAME size for the 6 inch, 8 inch, and 10 inch lens? I know that this back assembly is interchangable between the 4.5x6, the 6x9, the 6x12, and 6x16. But is that back assembly interchangable with the 8x13 and the 10x23? As is often the case, the cut sheet photo is sort of a right isometric front view, and the side view line drawing has little to do with the actual fixture, nor is it in any real scale. If anyone who still has these units can answer this I can provide them with cut sheets. Feel free to contact me off-list. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Shelley -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061130101616.ffpkkqljkdkokcsk [at] mymail.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:16:16 -0500 From: Nancy Moeur Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress References: In-Reply-To: > > So, shall we all meet somewhere mid-Erie Canal? > > Peter Scheu > > Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. So, Peter, you want us all to meet at Adult World? (the route of the Erie Canal through a few miles of Syracuse has now become Erie Boulevard--one strip-mall/shopping plaza and/or adult establishment after another! The Canal itself reappears east of town, with a lovely walking path.) Dinosaur BBQ is a good time. Suggestion: for big group, pick a slightly "off" time of day to eat. Otherwise you'll be in for a wait--which, of course, will just allow more time for beverages and reading the walls. -nancy (who was born in Rochester NY, mostly grew up in CA, and how has lived in Syracuse for 6 years. The year I lived in VT, however, had the second-highest snowfall ever in the state.) ----- Nancy Moeur AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama nmoeur [at] syr.edu ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:29 GMT Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density Message-Id: <20061130.072045.18186.887814 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> The eye can reach close to the perimeters of the standard CIE color = chart (you know: that irregular X-and-Y axis chart developed in the = 30s that GAM distributes poster-sized), whereas the dyes used in film = and the phosphors used in video don't get very far into the dark = green area, for example. Neither film nor video can even come close = to reproducing the exact color of bright sun reflected off a deep red = rose. The Rose Parade as seen on TV is a very poor imitation of the = spectral variations that your eyes can perceive while at the parade. = Furthermore, the Pantel ink colors used in printing can't reach the = very edge of human color perception, particularly with shiny images. /s/ Richard ________________________________ Also, film and video do not handle intensity variation (contrast) is = well as the eye. On the other hand, both film and video systems can be produced to be sensitive to UV and/or IR. The average human eye perceives neither. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00de01c71498$4187ecc0$0a00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:57:36 -0000 ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > The eye can reach close to the perimeters of the standard CIE color chart Not quite, the chart is derived from the eye's response and so the perimeter is defined by the eye's capabilities. Therefore the eye can reach all the way to the perimeter, and no further. Discounting variations between individuals, of course! >(you know: that irregular X-and-Y axis chart It looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CIExy1931.png Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:46:27 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: WNY Lister References: In-Reply-To: In message , Jim and Dave Productions writes >We had a pretty cool light show the night the storm hit as branches >fell and took out the mains feeding the transformer in my back yard. >I could see the blue/green arcs out the front window. Darn. You're supposed to FILM that happening and put it on youtube.com for the rest of us to see. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:30:38 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Nancy Moeur wrote: >So, Peter, you want us all to meet at Adult World? =20 Nah, make it Paradise Found. A much classier strip joint... mmm, I mean, Gentleman's Club... Did ya ever notice that the "Gentlemen" in a "Gentlemen's Clubs" are hardly that?=20 Not that I would know from personal experience... >Dinosaur BBQ is a good time. Suggestion: for big group, pick a =20 >slightly "off" time of day to eat. Otherwise you'll be in for a =20 >wait--which, of course, will just allow more time for beverages and =20 >reading the walls. Actually, if the LRLR's are going to be near/in town, and given that it = is a charity ride, and given all the bikes and attendant publicity for what = id essentially a higher class of biker bar, I'm willing to bet they would = waive their "no reservations" and "Honey, you'll havta wait 'til all ya party = is here ta get on the list" rules to accommodate them. Now THAT would be = cool! Unca Bill, let me know if you want me to see if this is possible. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:36:30 -0500 On 30 Nov 2006, at 08:56, Ford Sellers wrote: > Bruce, > Isn't there a great little restaurant about 5 mi south of > town on the west side of the lake? Its a little place on the > western side of the road with gourmet style food at reasonable > rates. I think it's name relates to something nautical. > > We could meet there, if the others could forgo the Dino. Are you thinking of the Belhurst Castle? Nice, but I'd prefer Dinosaur. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:04:41 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130085355.01f0e5a8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 07:32 PM 11/29/2006, Paul Schreiner wrote: >They do have fairly inexpensive camping, if any of the support >vehicles can toss a tent or twelve in the back... I don't quite get support vehicles. When I did my cross country (California to northern NY State) I carried everything including my tent on my little GS750. I may be biased, the times I've seen a lot of support vehicles is an annual bicycle race near our ranch. The bicycles ride in the right lane, the spouses drive the SUV/minivan support vehicle on the wrong side of the road alongside their mate. This is on a road that is NOT closed to traffic as it's the only way in without a side trip part way to Nevada. Really a surprise to go 'round a corner and have all that coming at you. Makes you want to tell them to get a car. :) Disclaimer, I have NEVER run any of those people into a ditch, but may have caused some brand new Spandex outfits to be soiled. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:10:34 -0500 Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OHMIGAWD. I DID NOT NEED THIS IMAGE JUST NOW! No lunch for me today. STEVE On 11/30/06 12:04 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > Disclaimer, I have NEVER run any of those people into a ditch, but > may have caused some brand new Spandex outfits to be soiled. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:13:07 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Fire Proof Curtain Testing In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130091045.01f55278 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 06:49 AM 11/30/2006, Bill Conner wrote: >Peter Scheu wrote: >According to NFPA 701, yes, you do have to test IFR fabrics, >although it seems counterintuitive. I would also think that would cover the "I could have sworn that was IFR, the salesman said it was" case. Labels are a lot cheaper than proper treatment. I used to get paid re-testing military electronics and sometimes found that a "mistake" had been made and parts mis-marked. The lawyers always had fun when we found those parts. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Digest #1033 - 1037, Whistler/Blackcomb/Lower Mainland SNOW Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:20:43 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299B29 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> In-reply-to: From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 3 things, as listed above: What happened to Digests 1034, 1035, and 1036? I received 1033 on Monday, and 1037 on Wednesday. I've got to assume there were others in between. Is the digest Hiccupping?=09 For those that have passed through Vancouver on the way to Whistler/Blackcomb, we're deep in snow (in November, for crying out loud). The city has a foot (not much, I know, but extreme for us), and down to -15C with windchill (and it's a DAMP wind). We rarely get snow in January! Trees ripped apart, broke, power's out, the University lost power (the ENTIRE university). And 2 weeks ago we were flooding from torrential rainstorms. . . I don't want to know what's next! Now that it's thawing, here comes more water! Can I borrow a life-raft? Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre, UBC 604-822-2372 =20 *********************** You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in obscurity what it lacks in style. Stoppard, R&G are Dead ************************ =20 ------------------------------ From: "Byron Lovelace" Subject: Hellerman tool Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:26:07 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c714a4$9f3940b0$6801a8c0 [at] TECH> In-Reply-To: I haven't spent all day looking, but a quick on-line search has been fruitless. Where can I buy a Hellerman tool? Byron Lovelace Technical Director / Facilities Manager Azalee Marshall Cultural Activities Center 3011 North 3rd Street, Temple, TX 76501 off: 254-773-9926 x 21 cell: 254-913-8558 email: lovelace [at] hot.rr.com email: technical [at] cacARTS.org http://www.cacARTS.org http:/cacARTS.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:29:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest #1033 - 1037, Whistler/Blackcomb/Lower Mainland SNOW From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2804551.1164907426491.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Are dogs and cats living together? Andrew it makes up for the pre-Xmas I skied up there two years ago where you had NO SNOW!!! And we blew off a few days of skiing (the glacier) to go horseback riding and see the bald eagles eating salmon. PS Dead salmon really smell badly. :) On 11/30/06 12:20 PM, "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" wrote: . . . I don't want to know > what's next! Now that it's thawing, here comes more water! > > Can I borrow a life-raft? > > Andrew M. Riter > Head Lighting Technician > Chan Centre, UBC > 604-822-2372 > > *********************** > You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in > obscurity what it lacks in style. > Stoppard, R&G are Dead > ************************ > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980611300929ib34203ep8755a85585b5130e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:29:39 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Subject: Re: Hellerman tool In-Reply-To: References:

I think I got mine at Masque Sound in NY area... Sorry I do not have the contact info at hand. Scott On 11/30/06, Byron Lovelace wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I haven't spent all day looking, but a quick on-line search has been > fruitless. Where can I buy a Hellerman tool? > > > Byron Lovelace > Technical Director / Facilities Manager > Azalee Marshall Cultural Activities Center > 3011 North 3rd Street, Temple, TX 76501 > off: 254-773-9926 x 21 > cell: 254-913-8558 > email: lovelace [at] hot.rr.com > email: technical [at] cacARTS.org > http://www.cacARTS.org > http:/cacARTS.blogspot.com > > -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:30:48 -0500 Subject: Design fee? From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey gang, I've got a question regarding design fees. What's the going rate for a lighting designer for a straight play at the high school level? Probably need the LD here for one (or at the most two) visits prior to focus, with focus and tech taking up probably 5 days on site. We'll of course house and feed while they are here. Any ideas? TIA Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Hellerman tool From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31509464.1164907729427.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Ebay apparently: On 11/30/06 12:26 PM, "Byron Lovelace" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I haven't spent all day looking, but a quick on-line search has been > fruitless. Where can I buy a Hellerman tool? > > > Byron Lovelace > Technical Director / Facilities Manager > Azalee Marshall Cultural Activities Center > 3011 North 3rd Street, Temple, TX 76501 > off: 254-773-9926 x 21 > cell: 254-913-8558 > email: lovelace [at] hot.rr.com > email: technical [at] cacARTS.org > http://www.cacARTS.org > http:/cacARTS.blogspot.com > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:39:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Design fee? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1499877.1164908051608.JavaMail.root [at] m41> What quality designer do you want? One who's happy just to be able to play with lights and have someone feed him/her? Or someone who will make you the envy of all other HS tech programs in the state? Do you expect this person to be able to teach your kids too? Anywhere from $700-$3,500 would be a fair range. On 11/30/06 12:30 PM, "Bill Potter" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey gang, > > I've got a question regarding design fees. > > What's the going rate for a lighting designer -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Fire Proof Curtain Testing Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:45:21 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >>Peter Scheu wrote: >>According to NFPA 701, yes, you do have to test IFR fabrics,=20 >>although it seems counterintuitive. > >I would also think that would cover the "I could have sworn that was=20 >IFR, the salesman said it was" case. I hope no one is misconstruing my comment. That while it may seem counterintuitive to test the flame retardance of a fabric that is manufactured to be inherently flame retardant, I agree with Bill Conner = that one cannot know the properties of a fabric that's been sitting (or = hanging) around for awhile. And the need to "trust but verify" any claims made by manufacturers' labels and/or salespersons should be paramount. And Bill's also right (and with an "off list" nod to Dan Culhane at = SECOA) that NAPA 701 sets out requirements, NFPA 705 describes the small scale "match test" in detail . Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Strand fixture archive question Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:24:26 -0500 Message-ID: <011601c714ac$c4c84c60$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Is the back assembly, that is, from the gate to the back of > the instrument (including the alzak reflector and the lamp > socket) the SAME size for the 6 inch, 8 inch, and 10 inch lens? Yes. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC509551 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:03:38 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Durand [mailto:jdurand [at] interstellar.com] I may be biased, the times I've seen a lot of support vehicles is an annual bicycle race near our ranch. The bicycles ride in the right lane, the spouses drive the SUV/minivan support vehicle on the wrong side of the road alongside their mate. This is on a road that is NOT closed to traffic as it's the only way in without a side trip part way to Nevada. Really a surprise to go 'round a corner and have all that coming at you. Makes you want to tell them to get a car. :) Disclaimer, I have NEVER run any of those people into a ditch, but may have caused some brand new Spandex outfits to be soiled. Jerry, I unwind by riding my road and mountain bikes, and have had way too many close calls with stupid motorists, who drive too fast and assume they own the road. For whatever reasons, in this country the attitude is that cars rule, the bigger the vehicle, the more they rule and everyone else be damned - cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians, whomever gets in your way. Sad to see, especially if you've ever ridden in any European country, where cyclists and pedestrians are expected and respected. That said, I stopped riding in the big weekend roadie groups, due to the high level of stupidity some of these riders carry over from the car to the bicycle. I too have been caught behind the huge road bike groups of 50 riders or more, who are all over the road, going 12 mph up a hill. It may be that I being that I can barely do 8 mph up a hill that I stay away from big rides, but either way, cyclists too have a right to the road, and we were here before cars !. But as to your comment, instead of making the cyclist nervous, maybe your justifiable complaint is with the idiot motorist driving the support vehicle ?. And I believe this event happens once a year ?, so how difficult can it be to share the road ?. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:27:27 EST Subject: Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 30/11/06 02:54:15 GMT Standard Time, brooklyn [at] dopher.com writes: > > They [film/video] are also very much more sensitive > > to colour temperature variations than is the human eye > > A common myth, so I can't blame you for believing that. Let me put > forth the notion that the eye is far more sensitive than film and > video cameras, though because of our optical organs' natural ability > to adapt quickly and shift the lightest colour in the room toward > "white", we simply fail to perceive the differences most of the > time. Until we start looking and/or are presented with some contrast. It is not a myth, it is an engineering fact. Both film and TV measure accurately the amount of red, green and blue in the scenes. They need to be carefully adjusted for the colour temperature of the scene illuminant. This is sometimes done automatically, but in a broadcast studio is usually done by the studio engineer before the crew starts work. These are highly trained guys. Additionally, there is an even more highly trained guy sitting in the gallery, with a Grade monitor in front of him and fine tweaks under his hands. The film process relies more on the makers of the film stock, and skilled guys at the processing labs, together with the experience of the lighting cameraman. This last is not paid just for creating pretty pictures, but for a very solid background of experience and training. The human sensory system, eye and brain together, is much more versatile, although it does exactly the same job. Neutral density means exactly what it says on the label. It attenuates all wavelengths of light to the same extent. Really accurate step filters, used in sensitometry, are carbon emulsions on glass plates. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:31:42 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130102548.01f0ea58 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 10:03 AM 11/30/2006, Steve Bailey wrote: >But as to your comment, instead of making the cyclist nervous, maybe your >justifiable complaint is with the idiot motorist driving the support vehicle >?. And I believe this event happens once a year ?, so how difficult can it >be to share the road ?. I wouldn't mind sharing, if they weren't coming AT me on the wrong side of the road and only looking down* (I've stopped the car and they STILL have to swerve to avoid me). The race/rally is only once a year, but there are groups there at random times. a lot like to ride a car to the top of the hills and then coast down as fast as gravity will take them. So, if me driving at 20mph on my side of the road is a problem for them, that's when I have a problem. --- *Only having ridden 3 speed bicycles and motorcycles, I don't see why everyone seems fixated on the road 5 feet ahead of them while not noticing the SUV stopped 20 feet further on. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:36:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130103553.01f2a3b0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 10:31 AM 11/30/2006, Jerry Durand wrote: >a lot like to ride a car to the top of the hills and then coast down >as fast as gravity will take them. Coast down on their bicycles. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: <65C1FC12-B43F-4BD8-9F7F-5317508C70CB [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Worlds in Windows Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:24:08 -0500 Hi folks. Before the NYC Vectorworks users group meeting last night (where even I learned a couple new tricks), I had an opportunity to go study the animated Macy's Christmas windows. What a world of stagecraft is contained in each and every one of them! I was privelidged to spend about six weeks in September and October helping to draft many of these windows, as well as some work on the windows for Lord & Taylor. It is very satisfying to see my small contribution brought to life in those windows and rather surprising to see just how much work happens on-site. What leaves the shop is by no means the finished product; the ample amounts of dressing in these displays are all placed by a small crew of highly experienced props people who, to make an analogy, are the people the designers depend on to "fix it in post". Nevertheless, every detail of many months of work is plainly visible, from my own drafting that turned sketches into working groundplans, sections, and elevations, to the carpenters and painters incredible skill in turning foam and plywood into magic. It was also a priviledge to see some of the automation created from the ground up, from a sketch to automated skeletons to fleshed out creatures in the windows that respond to visitor's touch (that much DOES work exactly as the visitors will see it before it leaves the shop). Some of what was created for Macy's is more complex than ever before What most surprised me, though, was how some things came out exactly as they were drawn - which I've come never to expect - and how some things changed completely, as if the initial drawings I did got lost somewhere along the way. Only one item disappointed me - a bit of animation that spins a wheel at 60 rpm that was intended to spin at about 4 rpm. Because of that, there's some nice details that is lost to the eye, though perhaps a camera could catch it. Personally, some of my favorite details are ones that are static and maybe nobody else will notice - the carved moulding around the window in the "treehouse" and the stained glass window depicting the legend of how Santa Tamed The Dragon. The moulding took me a couple hours to draft, then the CNC guru spent a day translating what I'd envisioned as a series of 2D passes on the router into a fully 3D- routed masterpiece - the first of it's kind in that shop. It took the CNC router 14 hours to complete. The "stained glass" took a ridiculously short amount of time to design and build, given how nicely it came out. But my absolute favorite part of checking out the windows last night was the crowd: young and old, all classes, all races - staring in rapture at all the wonderous details, pointing out yet another clever little gem to each other, activating the interactive features. And the kids...especially the ones about four to six years old - just enraptured, their attention fully absorbed in the spectacle in front of them. For just a few minutes, I knew that my own work as a designer has somehow reached a pinnacle. Never has my work been part of such a coordinated, positive team effort; never before has it been so long-lasting and seen by so many people; never before has it been received with such unbridled joy and wonder, nor have I ever been so delighted by the audience's reaction before. And I'll probably never be that impressed again. If you get a chance to go see the windows, check 'em out. They are the products of almost a year of work with the input of dozens of designers, carps, painters, automators, puppeteers, props people, sculptors, and electricians, all of them worth far more than they're paid. Particularly check out the "overhead perspective" window, as that was such a challenge to figure out, we ultimately hired a master sculptor, gave him a corner of the shop, the sketch, and all the tools, glue, and foam he wanted and said, "we load in Nov XX." Don't forget to go check out Lord & Taylor's windows (Mary Poppins theme this year) and especially Saks 5th Ave, which for sheer trippiness take the cake. And if any of you are in the Toronto area, drop by Hudson's Bay - we did them, too. Cris Dopher, mercenary designer "have Vectorworks, will travel" ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:45:07 EST Subject: Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 30/11/06 04:26:55 GMT Standard Time, theatre [at] dreampossible.ca writes: > > Erm.... that's debatable. I can see the color shift myself; can't you? > I think Frank should have tossed in the word "theoretically". As I said > elsewhere in this thread (or another): the difference between theory and > practice is bigger in practice than in theory :-) Let's put it this way: the manufacturers and vendors try to make sure that what I have said is true. If not, their customers will not be happy. > > As for noticing the colour shift, I think that depends on the quality of > the medium. Gels do seem to have a brownish tint, but I haven't > particularly noticed any color shift in camera filters. I can't see one in the Lee swatch book I have to hand. They just look more or less pale grey to me. And, before you ask, my colour vision was certified as normal every few years when I worked for the BBC. Now that I have retired, I do not have access to the measuring equipment I should need for a really accurate pronouncement. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <866BA107-9181-4B1D-A5FD-56501FB722DC [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Design fee? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:55:03 -0500 a HS paying for an outside LD ? amazing, , , do you live in the United States ? On Nov 30, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Bill Potter wrote: What's the going rate for a lighting designer for a straight play at the high school level? Probably need the LD here for one (or at the most two) visits prior to focus, with focus and tech taking up probably 5 days on site. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:07:35 EST Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 30/11/06 14:24:10 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > Also, film and video do not handle intensity variation (contrast) is well > as the eye. They certainly don't. About a 40:1 contrast ratio is the best they can do. It is the display devices which set the limits, and the parameters of the transmission systems. > > On the other hand, both film and video systems can be produced to be > sensitive to UV and/or IR. The average human eye perceives neither. Some do. I have always been unhappy on stage when there has been an UV effect up. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <456F2C80.1070203 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:09:52 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > It's now one day before December, it's currently 58 degrees (At > midnight!) and we have yet to see any snow on the ground so far this > season! Oh dear. Now you've jinxed yourself. Winter may be starting later but that just means it has to pack the same amount of hurt into a shorter time period. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:52:58 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) I checked with Spanset Inc. about the breaking strength of endless roundsling and they said: ________________________________ Roundslings in general have capacity ratings in basically three lifting or usage modes; vertical, choker and vertical basket configurations. The vertical basket rating is twice that of the vertical rating and the choker rating is 80% of the vertical rating. The general accepted industry standard for roundslings is published by the Web Sling and Tie Down Association and is known as the Recommended Standard Specification for Synthetic Polyester Roundslings WSTDA-RS1. The design factor for polyester roundslings is 5. In other words, the actual break of the roundsling must be a minimum of five times the actual ratings shown on the sling tag regardless of which lifting mode or sling configuration. So the minimum break in a vertical configuration is five times the vertical rated capacity and so on for the choker and vertical basket. This is based upon a new or like new roundsling and tested in accordance with the test procedure outlined in the WSTDA-RS1 standard. _____________________________ So, any roundsling that meets this recommended standard has a design factor of at least five. This means that the minimum breaking strength for an E60 roundsling really is: Vertical configuration: 26,500 lbs Vertical Basket configuration: 53,000 lbs Choker configuration: 21,000 lbs Them puppys are really strong. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Design fee? Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:59:22 -0600 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAAA9A [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" Paid outside LDs are pretty common for larger HS productions here in the US. I worked for a number of seasons designing for HSs - it was fun working w/the kids, although I often did more than LD stuff - oversaw and helped w/the hang & focus, handled rentals, supervised gel cutting, programmed cues, etc. And often, the only time for have the theatre dark, for programming, was late at night, after the nighly rehearsals or run-thrus. My fees (in 1992 thru 1997) were in the $500 - $1200 range, usually for rather complex musicals. - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061130200146.18537.qmail [at] web82213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Design fee? In-Reply-To: I've received $500-$750 depending on the show and the exact responsabilities. The HS I usually work with often asks me to do multiple jobs (F/X, video, lights, sets, etc), so the pay is higher than it would be for just a light design. This has all been local, so I didn't get anything for housing or meals. HTH, Mike Heinicke --- Bill Potter wrote: > Hey gang, > > I've got a question regarding design fees. > > What's the going rate for a lighting designer for a > straight play at the > high school level? Probably need the LD here for one > (or at the most two) > visits prior to focus, with focus and tech taking up > probably 5 days on > site. > > We'll of course house and feed while they are here. > > Any ideas? > > TIA > > Bill Potter > Technical Director > St. Paul's School > Concord NH > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:04:57 -0800 From: "Jeffrey Mulvey" Subject: Re: question for the pros In-Reply-To: References: By no means do I consider myself to be a pro (yet), however I have had experience with both the E6 and AT's knock off. As far as the E6 goes, the connection behind the ear IS something to be weary of. It can be a difficult connection to make. Make sure you hear and feel it click into place. Should it come loose, it will begin to "crackle" and "pop". Make sure it is secured on the actor. What I've seen work well is a large, clear breathe-rite placed on top of the connection. AT's mic is an under-ear design and will require a little more tape and breathe-rites to be held in place. I belive the AT's boom is shorter than that of the E6. One flaw I've noticed: The rubber on the top of the ear piece can be worn down, exposing the wire frame that holds the boom to the ear. This can be rather painful for an actor to wear and blood on the costumes doesn't make the costumer happy either. Back to the E6. I've found the connection behind the ear to be double edged sword. While it can come loose and degrade the clarity of the signal, it also allows the mic to be quickly removed from its cable without removing the entire cable and the body pack with it. This allows for the mic to be taken off right before a fight scene, and put back on right after very quickly while protecting expensive equipment. It was after the very same fight scene when I had AT's mic come back with out the capsule, ripped off during the fight and never found. Anyway, that's my experience with the mics. Good luck and let us know what you chose. Jeff Mulvey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Design fee? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <77299.68915.qm [at] web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I regularly work with a HS that hires outside people for design and TD work. And yes, it is in the U.S. St. Louis Missouri to be exact. In my experience locally, it is usually the private schools that hire outside help per show. When I was only working freelance, there were several schools that regularly hired an LD &/or TD for each show. Personally I've worked locally with 3 or 4 different HS's that way. Mike Heinicke --- KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > a HS paying for an outside LD ? > > amazing, , , > > do you live in the United States ? ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:27:48 GMT Subject: Re: [SPAM?] Re: Neutral Density Message-Id: <20061130.132833.8266.889145 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Dear Nigel, There may a decrease in color resolving ability for people in highly = lit urban areas since that chart was originally created ~70 years ago. That is why I backed off from an absolute statement in my comment. /s/ Richard ____________________________________ ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > The eye can reach close to the perimeters of the standard CIE color = chart ____________________ Not quite, the chart is derived from the eye's response and so the = perimeter is defined by the eye's capabilities. Therefore the eye can = reach all the way to the perimeter, and no further. Discounting variations between individuals, of course! >(you know: that irregular X-and-Y axis chart It looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CIExy1931.png Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061130142536.00c6c940 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:25:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Really, now... >You going to single message format CB. So folks can abuse me one at a time instead of all at once. Hmmm... I dunno 'boud dat. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061130143028.00c6c940 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:30:28 From: CB Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress >>> Ha! Except for this year where even though there was a miserable freak >>> storm in October >The really freakish thing about that October storm is that here in Fredonia, >40 miles away, we had blue sky and no snow whatsoever. It sucked here. I had to put on long sleeves AND my biking jersey AND put long sleeved leggings over the bike shorts on my ride last nite. And this morning was even colder! I had to wear a bandana over my ears! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:02:35 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress At 9:31 AM -0500 11/30/06, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> and now spend their time living between >> upstate NY and VT? > >Uh...that would be in the middle of Lake Champlain.... Maybe he lives on the Burlington ferry? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net The reason they call it "The American Dream" is because you have to be asleep to believe in it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061130144115.00c6c940 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:41:15 From: CB Subject: Re: Neutral Density >Actually, CTB ("Full blue") results in about a 2 stop loss. OK, now I have three different answers to the, "How to the manufacturers of CTB/CTO arrive at the designations 'full, 1/2, 1/8, etc.' and just what do those numbers equate to?" question, and still no reference for either answer. Anyone actually know why its 'full' and not a 'deuce', if it reduces the overall intensity by two stops? And show your work... I mean, I'm usually willing to take the experts' word on the list here, but not when all the experts disagree. How would I know which expert to choose? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:16:10 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Really, now... At 2:25 PM -0500 11/30/06, CB wrote: >>You going to single message format CB. > >So folks can abuse me one at a time instead of all at once. >Hmmm... I dunno 'boud dat. Is it better to get hit by an axe, or to suffer a thousand paper cuts? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he machine-gunned the survivors ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:14:10 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress At 1:03 PM -0500 11/30/06, Steve Bailey wrote: > ...but either way, cyclists too have a right to > the road, and we were here before cars !. If you obey the same laws I have to, then you're certainly entitled to the same courtesy. If, however, you ride your bicycle like the lunatics I see on campus around here, with complete disregard for the rules of the road, then no; you're not entitled to any courtesy; you're a menace and should be treated as such. And before you get your dander up, I feel the same way about cars and trucks and motey-bikes, too. By the way, no one has a "right" to the road; using those roads by any conveyance whatsoever is a privilige, not a right. If you disagree, please be so kind as to point out the specific passage in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, either federal or state, that enumerates that "right." -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20061130221930.12566.qmail [at] web37202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:19:30 -0800 (PST) From: Anna Subject: hard portals My theatre uses 4 sets of hard legs/borders that are 4'x18' Hollywood flats= covered in duve. We use them on average 3/4 of the year. However, we als= o have to move them from lineset to lineset every other week, and they are = too heavy and unconvenient. We also have zero storage space, so when they = are not in use, they are constantly in the way. Has anyone had good experi= ences with other designs of hard portals? Just having hard edges on a soft= leg is not an option. I am exploring the possibility of aluminium frames = with removeable coverings (something in the manner of collapsible projectio= n screens) or similar, but don't know who would manufacture such a thing - = any ideas? Thank you,=0A =0AAnna Labykina=0ATechnical Director=0AThe Bosto= n Conservatory=0A617.912.9129 office=0A617.388.5656 mobile=0A=0A___________= _______________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATired of spam? = Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <456F6076.1010000 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:51:34 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Really, now... References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >> You going to single message format CB. > > So folks can abuse me one at a time instead of all at once. Hmmm... I > dunno 'boud dat. In Single Message format, you can killfile Frank. That alone is worth it all. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <456F61F8.9030009 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:58:00 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: hard portals References: In-Reply-To: Anna wrote: > My theatre uses 4 sets of hard legs/borders that are 4'x18' Hollywood > flats covered in duve. We use them on average 3/4 of the year. > However, we also have to move them from lineset to lineset every > other week, and they are too heavy and unconvenient. We also have > zero storage space, so when they are not in use, they are constantly > in the way. Has anyone had good experiences with other designs of > hard portals? Just having hard edges on a soft leg is not an option. > I am exploring the possibility of aluminium frames with removeable > coverings (something in the manner of collapsible projection screens) > or similar, but don't know who would manufacture such a thing - any > ideas? Thank you, Gee, I'm in the middle of a set of 10 panels about that size, 4'-10" x 16' and up, aluminum frame, very light aluminum sign panel hardcover, IFR velour, and Fiber star points. About 2" thick, quite light, and look great. Want a set? E-mail me and I'll get a quote for you. Stuart ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:03:09 EST Subject: Re: Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) In a message dated 30/11/06 19:53:47 GMT Standard Time, delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes: > Roundslings in general have capacity ratings in basically three > lifting or usage modes; vertical, choker and vertical basket > configurations. The vertical basket rating is twice that of the > vertical rating and the choker rating is 80% of the vertical rating. Terminological confusion strikes again, across the Pond. For my better information, please explain: Roundsling Choker Basket. OK, I can make guesses. This is not good enough in this aspect of our work.I know what I am prepared to do to suspend things, and none has ever fallen through failure of the suspension. One has, through failure of the suspension anchors. It was a heavy lightbox, with five stained glass windows simulated in it. It went up all right, and hung through the show with no problem. I was not there for the strike, but the crew got it on a tilt. The woodscrews pulled out (1" No.8), and it fell to the stage, damaging a couple of planks. I wasn't across the construction, but trusted the master carpenter. This was an error. Not only was it at least twice as heavy as it needed to be, the attachments for the flying were inadequate. Even forty years ago, I should have noticed. But, the effect achieved its purpose, and harmed nobody, more by luck than by skill. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061130153815.00c6c940 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:38:15 From: CB Subject: Re: Neutral Density >Yikes! Maybe I'll go into sound. Need a boom operator? ;=) Yes! Always! Thanks for the info,that was axactly what I was looking for. Looks like the Full CTB is the equivalent of 1 and a third stops, and the 1/2 is half the intensity of that, the 1/4 is a quarter of that intensity, and so on. >3/4 CTO gels... ...These filters cut out about 2/3 of a stop So, the conversion for CTO is; a 3/4 equals about 2/3, or six ninths of a stop, and a full would equal eight ninths of a stops, a 1/2 would equal four ninths of a stop, a 1/4 would equal two ninths with a 1/8 coming in at one ninth of a stop. >full CTB gels.... These cut out about 1 1/3 stops of light. ..and four thirds of a stop for full, three thirds of a stop for 3/4, 2/3 of a stop for half, and on third of a stop for a 1/8 CTB. Cheez I'm glad I'm in sound... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:13:58 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Neutral Density At 3:38 PM -0500 11/30/06, CB wrote: >So, the conversion for CTO is; a 3/4 equals about 2/3, or six ninths of a >stop, and a full would equal eight ninths of a stops, a 1/2 would equal >four ninths of a stop, a 1/4 would equal two ninths with a 1/8 coming in at >one ninth of a stop. Is it just me, or is Chris overthinking this? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell" --Dio, "Magica" ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:16:43 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Really, now... At 5:51 PM -0500 11/30/06, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >>> You going to single message format CB. >> So folks can abuse me one at a time instead of all at once. Hmmm... I >> dunno 'boud dat. > >In Single Message format, you can killfile Frank. That alone is worth it all. Werd! -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Jumping is easy and falling is fun... Right up 'til you hit the sidewalk, shivering and stunned" --Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:18:49 EST Subject: Re: Neutral Density In a message dated 30/11/06 22:10:21 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > OK, now I have three different answers to the, "How to the manufacturers of > CTB/CTO arrive at the designations 'full, 1/2, 1/8, etc.' and just what do > those numbers equate to?" question, and still no reference for either answer. Well, the short answer is that they make photometric and colorimetric measurements, and quote the figures derived from these. I hope. It can be done, and I know how, but it is laborious. Probably the tabulated data are now available on-line. They weren't when I was doing this. > > Anyone actually know why its 'full' and not a 'deuce', if it reduces the > overall intensity by two stops? This refers to the colour correction. Full CTO brings daylight, at 6,500K down to 2,800K. Full CTB does the reverse. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC5DAA65 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: How do you un-wind/de-stress Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:31:14 -0500 At 1:03 PM -0500 11/30/06, Steve Bailey wrote: > ...but either way, cyclists too have a right to > the road, and we were here before cars !. >If you obey the same laws I have to, then you're certainly entitled to the same courtesy. < >If, however, you ride your bicycle like the lunatics I see on campus around here, with complete disregard for the rules of the road, then no; you're not entitled to any courtesy; you're a menace and should be treated as such. And before you get your dander up, I feel the same way about cars and trucks and motey-bikes, too. < Nope, no argument from me. The absolutely worst collision I have ever had while riding a bike on the street was not with a car, it was while (bike commuting) in a bad collision with a cyclist that entered a cycling path in Brooklyn from a side path. He never looked and I tee-boned the guy, knocked him right on his ass. Unfortunately my bike was totaled and I had to have someone pick me up. No collecting for collision damage either, and I really didn't care if he had blood coming out of the back of his (helmet-less head). As far as I'm concerned, the cyclists that ride the wrong way in traffic - at night - with no reflective clothing, are just targets. To me it's just natures way of cleaning up the gene pool. And don't get me started on the idiocy called Critical Mass. >By the way, no one has a "right" to the road; using those roads by any conveyance whatsoever is a privilege, not a right. If you disagree, please be so kind as to point out the specific passage in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, either federal or state, that enumerates that "right." < That's a very good point and I had not thought of it that way, merely paraphrasing the usual comment from motorists who claim that very same right - as they make a right turn while driving along side you, with no turn signal. Driving can sometimes be dangerous, but bike commuting into Brooklyn does not fall under the title of Un-wind/De-stress, though it beats driving !. SB begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(B$7`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0! 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However, if you put a full CT Blue over a 5600K source (such >as a daylight HMI), it will be boosted to 22,220K (179-134=45 Mired) OK, never mind... ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061201103849.0622f600 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:52:41 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: UV (was Neutral Density) In-Reply-To: References: At 06:07 1.12.2006, Frank Wood trolled: > > On the other hand, both film and video systems can be produced to be > > sensitive to UV and/or IR. The average human eye perceives neither. > >Some do. I have always been unhappy on stage when there has been an UV effect >up. You aren't seeing the UV, merely its effect. The effect you notice is quite common. It is usually caused by the material in your eye, particularly the sclera (the white bit), fluorescing. Wearing virtually any kind of spectacles, sun glasses, safety glasses, etc, will block most of the UV and hence stop the effect. Andy ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 00:30:21 GMT Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress Message-Id: <20061130.163039.15672.823670 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Dear Dave, On your own private property, with very few exceptions, you can use = your road any way that you choose. I live up a private road, of course. /s/ Richard __________________________ By the way, no one has a "right" to the road; using those roads by = any conveyance whatsoever is a privilige, not a right. If you = disagree, please be so kind as to point out the specific passage in = the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, either federal or state, that = enumerates that "right." Dave Vick ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:47:06 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Roundsling capacity (was Cable & I-beams) In-Reply-To: References: Frank, The website below should answer all your questions about endless roundslings http://www.spanset-usa.com/TwinStagesling.html You might also look at http://www.Lift-All.com (then choose Tuflex roundslings) -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:59:49 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How do you un-wind/de-stress At 12:30 AM +0000 12/1/06, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: >On your own private property, with very few exceptions, you can use >your road any way that you choose. I live up a private road, of course. That would be a case outside the normal scenario of public multi-user roads, though, which is what we were discussing... And there again, one cannot make the case that a bicyclist, or any motorist for that matter, has the same priviliges (again I hesitate to use the word "rights") on that road as the road's legitimate owner, unless prior arrangements have been made. But then again, what do I know? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No comment" is a comment. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <456F81AD.9060008 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:13:17 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Neutral Density References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > There may a decrease in color resolving ability for people in highly > lit urban areas since that chart was originally created ~70 years ago. > That is why I backed off from an absolute statement in my comment. Interesting - is that a personal theory, or have you read articles on the subject? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:17:09 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Re: Neutral Density In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20061130171206.01f70800 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 01:27 PM 11/30/2006, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: >There may a decrease in color resolving ability for people in highly >lit urban areas since that chart was originally created ~70 years ago. >That is why I backed off from an absolute statement in my comment. Apparently a lessening of light sensitivity, too. I just got a new monitor for my system today (used the Microsoft settlement voucher to pay for part of it) and when I turned it on the default light level about burned through the back of my head. I have the brightness set about 50% now, still bright but much better. Maybe the people setting these up in China are just blind? My CAD and other development software looks REALLY nice now. :) My wife claimed my old one to make her system a dual-head. New monitor: Princeton VL2018W (1680 x 1050) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com 219 Oak Wood Way, Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <456F847B.7090401 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:25:15 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Neutral Density References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: >>Yikes! Maybe I'll go into sound. Need a boom operator? ;=) > > > Yes! Always! Thanks for the info,that was axactly what I was looking for. > Looks like the Full CTB is the equivalent of 1 and a third stops, and the > 1/2 is half the intensity of that, the 1/4 is a quarter of that intensity, > and so on. Yes, my instructor said that the intensity loss was pretty much linear. > Cheez I'm glad I'm in sound... Yarp, it's a lot simpler all around. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1039 ******************************