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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1069

 1. Re: Another job listing
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 2. Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
 3. Re: I'm baaaack
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 4. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
 5. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
 6. Re: I'm baaaack
    by "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
 7. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 8. Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 9. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by Simon Shuker <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
10. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
11. Re: Beauty on a Budget
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
12. Altman 360Q ?`
    by "Wild, Larry" <wildl [at] northern.edu>
13. Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
14. Grand MA HELP PLEASE!
    by "Don Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
15. Re: Grand MA HELP PLEASE!
    by "Joe Golden" <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
16. Re: Sand onstage & dust
    by "Lon Butcher" <Lon.Butcher [at] wwu.edu>
17. Re: Another job listing
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
18. Re: Another job listing
    by <rigger [at] tds.net>
19. Re: Altman 360Q ?`
    by Stephen Lee <mouse [at] fieldmousepro.com>

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:28:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Another job listing
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

Hi, Bill S.

I tried to send you an email message and it was blocked. Apparently you
have a spam filter with surriel that is the culprit.

Bill N.


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Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061229061433.03a211a8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:00:33 -0800
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
In-Reply-To: <list-40512260 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40512260 [at] prxy.net>

As Jon Lagerquist mentioned, he and I have experimented with very low 
winch decks (and compared notes) for years. There are numerous ways 
to deal with the guide pin (blade, knife, flag) issue in very low 
winch deck applications. For really eccentric loads, where the center 
of rotation is significantly offset from the track, the cable should 
connect to the unit at both ends, so that it is always pulled rather 
than pushed. The simplest way to do this is to weld a 1" long, 1/2" 
diameter steel spacer (McMaster-Carr 
<http://www.mcmaster.com/itm/find.ASP?tab=find&context=psrchDtlLink&fasttrack=False&searchstring=92415A849>92415A849) 
to a piece of flat stock. Grind the spacer down on the sides to 
provide some additional clearance in the track, pass the 3/16" cable 
through the spacer and terminate with a Nicopress stop sleeve. 
Reverse and repeat for the other end of the unit, then simply bolt 
the flat stock to the unit.

Or, if you are careful, you can weld a set-screw shaft coupler 
(McMaster-Carr 6412K11) to the flat stock instead of a spacer, run 
the cable from the winch through the coupler (at each end of the 
unit) and back to the winch. When the unit is properly positioned, 
simply tighten the set screws. This works great for units that roll 
easily or lightweight skids.

If you really insist on driving the unit from a single point, you may 
want to change the guide pin on the other end to a guide pulley--that 
way you will have the full depth of the track to help guide, since 
the pulley can straddle the cable.

Cable cutting into the house deck is never an issue. The weight of 
the cable is distributed over so much distance that there is very 
little pressure on the deck. It will polish the deck slightly, but 
there won't even be enough rubbing to remove the paint. You may hear 
the cable moving, but I don't recall that being a problem for any of 
the directors with whom I've worked. The unit itself usually 
generates more noise, what with rolling casters or hissing skids.

The only real issue I've had using very low winch decks is with a 
stage floor that undulates dramatically and the guide pins (blades, 
knives, flags, pulleys) have to be located a long way from the 
casters. In this situation the guide pins can rise out of the track 
or dig into the deck under the track. So, the closer the guides are 
to the casters in this situation the better.

The system works well enough that I don't usually consider building a 
winch deck unless the deck needs to be raised for some other reason 
like a turntable or water recovery.

 >At 03:02 AM 12/29/2006, you wrote:
> >Loren - Do you have an issue with the cable cutting into the house
> >floor?  How about the pins jumping out of such a shallow track?

Loren "Grits" Schreiber
Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!"
Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes: 
http://www.lrlr.org


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Message-ID: <b7318c480612290826w78f211a9u7db5f5e4258abb2e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:26:46 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I'm baaaack
In-Reply-To: <list-40403687 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40400491 [at] prxy.net> <list-40403687 [at] prxy.net>

Hey Mike, are you still teaching?

-Delbert

On 12/27/06, Michael Brubaker <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> ...and you never even knew I was gone, did you!
>
> I've a new affiliation with Associated Controls + Design in Indianapolis,
> providing consulting and design services.
>
> Enough about that--please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
>
> Mike Brubaker
> (ACD Theatrical)
> (Indianapolis, Indiana, USA)
>
>
>


-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Message-ID: <20061229162820.37953.qmail [at] web34512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:28:20 -0800 (PST)
From: June Abernathy <jea00321 [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust

Oh, I've done these shows. Only thing worse is ice
rink on stage. Maybe pool on stage is worse. Hard to
say. It's up there, though.

My main piece of advice - underlayment underlayment
underlayment.

Lay a Heavy layer of plastic underneath. Lay 6 layers
underneath! Seriously, consider a pool/pond liner
underneath, instead of or in addition to a visqueen
layer.

Consider drainage, particularly if you are going to be
misting for dust, as everyone suggests that you do.
Sand is heavy! Wet sand is heavier! Make sure you
allow for that.

The reason a lot of people use "playground" sandbox
sand is because in addition to it's softness and nice
whiteness, it is generally treated and bug and egg
free. In your case, the sand may be free, but you have
the foreign object and bug worries. Sifting is
definately called for, and if it's possible to treat
it with a bleach solution or something to help kill
beasties, that is great too. The residual bleach can
also slow down mold growth from mist water pooled at
the bottom.

Did you say sand ON a rolling rake unit? Or you are
rolling a unit over the sand? Both? I'm running
screaming just from the thought. Casters plus sand
equals nightmare. Think soft fat tires and enclosed
bearings, at the very very least.

And trust me, no matter how careful you are, you will
be finding sand in odd cracks and crevices of your
theater for the next 20 years. It will outlast
Nutcracker snow and Peter Pan fairy dust.

Good luck, you poor guy.



June Abernathy
IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL)
FOH Electrician
The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle)

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010612290845m78c9b82eyfefbd5957e2bca7a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:45:08 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com
Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust
In-Reply-To: <list-40495207 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40494228 [at] prxy.net> <list-40495207 [at] prxy.net>

On 12/28/06, Peter Scheu <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com> wrote:

> FWIW... Don't know if this would work for you. Most of the audience for Ka
> sits a good distance away, so the "30 foot rule" applies.

I saw "Ka" from the front row center.  Aside from being scared FOR the
performers in some scenes, the cork sand looked great.  As did the
rest of the show.  Wow.  What an amazing experience.  If you are ever
in Vegas, it is a must see.

The backstage tour must have been incredible.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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From: "Michael Brubaker" <mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
Subject: RE: I'm baaaack
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:31:25 -0500
Message-ID: <JCEGLMFBOOMOFFJALNFFIEKBCCAA.mbrubaker [at] acdtheatrical.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-40520741 [at] prxy.net>

Yes and no...I have never taught professionally at any level.  However, I
have taught a lot as a part of what I do--end users, colleagues, etc.  But I
am guessing that you may have me confused with another Mike!

Mike

Hey Mike, are you still teaching?

-Delbert

> ...and you never even knew I was gone, did you!
>
> I've a new affiliation with Associated Controls + Design in Indianapolis,
> providing consulting and design services.



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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:02:09 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust
In-reply-to: <list-40520754 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <A635F75E-A507-4949-A91F-276AD9F3F94F [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40520754 [at] prxy.net>


On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:28 AM, June Abernathy wrote:

> It will outlast
> Nutcracker snow and Peter Pan fairy dust.

My wife and I used a lot of glitter in the show we met on.  That was  
just about 26 years ago.  We're STILL finding glitter around the house.

Here car still has adobe dust in it from a desert trip around 1990.


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Message-ID: <001101c72b75$f47dc680$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-40512260 [at] prxy.net> <list-40518513 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 10:20:01 -0800

> than pushed. The simplest way to do this is to weld a 1" long, 1/2" 
> diameter steel spacer (McMaster-Carr 
> <http://www.mcmaster.com/itm/find.ASP?tab=find&context=psrchDtlLink&fasttrack=False&searchstring=92415A849>92415A849) 
> to a piece of flat stock. Grind the spacer down on the sides to


I can't get the link to work... what's the item called that I'm looking for?

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <45955CEF.3060602 [at] ef-ae.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:22:39 +0400
From: Simon Shuker <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
Organization: The Events Factory
Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust
References: <list-40520754 [at] prxy.net> <list-40525731 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40525731 [at] prxy.net>

Its probably better I stay out of the sand in various places conversation

Jerry Durand wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:28 AM, June Abernathy wrote:
>
>> It will outlast
>> Nutcracker snow and Peter Pan fairy dust.
>
> My wife and I used a lot of glitter in the show we met on.  That was 
> just about 26 years ago.  We're STILL finding glitter around the house.
>
> Here car still has adobe dust in it from a desert trip around 1990.
>
>
>


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Message-ID: <45957062.9010106 [at] hillinteractive.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:45:38 -0500
From: Howard Ires <hi [at] hillinteractive.net>
Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust
References: <list-40480210 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40480210 [at] prxy.net>

Daniel J Hays wrote:
> 
> So I made the decision to use sand in the set design onstage. 
> Any thoughts?
> 

yeah.  if it's your decision, change your mind.  don't use sand. paint 
the floor to give a sand effect or use kitty litter or crumbled cork or 
shavings or textured foam. figure out an imaginative way to get your 
point across without using the real thing. Your show and your reputation 
will be the better for it.

----------------Howie

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Message-ID: <b7318c480612291154nde4bc51jcc7fb6cef5dbce65 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:54:03 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Beauty on a Budget
In-Reply-To: <list-40430532 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40417579 [at] prxy.net> <list-40430532 [at] prxy.net>

There have been hundreds of productions of B&B around the country, and
many done on limited budgets.  Without knowing the size of the stage
and the actual budget it is pretty hard to recommend a theatre for Jim
to contact. Two theatres that Jim might consider contacting are the
Cumberland Country Playhouse (in Crossville, TN) or the Arkansa Rep.
Both groups have done very good productions of this show).

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Subject: Altman 360Q ?`
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:30:01 -0600
Message-ID: <79EC830AA6FE144797DDB30DC498593804FEEA7F [at] nsu-ex01.nsu.local>
From: "Wild, Larry" <wildl [at] northern.edu>

Does anyone know when Altman introduced the 360Q? (My wife would say I'm=
 sure some one does).The closest I've come is the early 70s. Can somebod=
y be more specific? It's that history thing.

Larry Wild
Aberdeen, SD

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:42:08 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tracked or cabled wagon solutions
In-Reply-To: <list-40526677 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40512260 [at] prxy.net> <list-40518513 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-40526677 [at] prxy.net>

On 12/29/06, Jon Ares <jonares [at] hevanet.com> wrote:

> I can't get the link to work... what's the item called that I'm looking for?

Item number 92415A849 at www.McMaster.com

Hope that helps.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <006d01c72b99$a1bfa2f0$6401a8c0 [at] dondesk>
From: "Don Rowe" <TechDir [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Grand MA HELP PLEASE!
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:24 -0500

OK without getting into the BS that has caused this SNAFU I'll sum it up
quickly.
    A GRAND MA board is being brought in on Tuesday for a show the designer
or someone specified a Grand MA board and since sh** runs down hill I'm
stuck as the person to "Operate" it.  I don't know what I'll be doing
exactly but I know there are tutorial DVD's and an offline editor as well
could anyone out there please upload those to me???  Contact me off list and
you can FTP them to my webserver if I have to.  I have the hard copy manual
but all info I can get would be great.  Please help. Thanks


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Reply-To: <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
From: "Joe Golden" <joe [at] stage-tech.com>
Subject: RE: Grand MA HELP PLEASE!
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:44:28 -0800
Organization: Stage-Tech
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA4gtvBsmO0kiz3NcuAYKU/cKAAAAQAAAANhZriiW56kGQTlEmeYAVHQEAAAAA [at] stage-tech.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-40537226 [at] prxy.net>

Go to www.aclighting.com they have all that stuff there.  HTH



Joe Golden

-----Original Message-----

OK without getting into the BS that has caused this SNAFU I'll sum it up
quickly.
    A GRAND MA board is being brought in on Tuesday for a show the designer
or someone specified a Grand MA board and since sh** runs down hill I'm
stuck as the person to "Operate" it.  I don't know what I'll be doing
exactly but I know there are tutorial DVD's and an offline editor as well
could anyone out there please upload those to me???  Contact me off list and
you can FTP them to my webserver if I have to.  I have the hard copy manual
but all info I can get would be great.  Please help. Thanks




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Subject: Re: Sand onstage & dust
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:24:29 -0800
Message-ID: <F43E397F01F82C4088F714D0D1FAE6AB067476DB [at] EVS2.univ.dir.wwu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-40512260 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Lon Butcher" <Lon.Butcher [at] wwu.edu>

>> Problem, the test sample has dust in it.  Bugs may also be an issue

>I'd be worried about bugs hatching when you bring them into the warm...

My wife used to work at a commercial greenhouse.  Their planting
department had a soil sterilizer that would heat large batches of soil
to kill all the little critters.  Perhaps there's someone in your area
you could talk into doing a batch or two of sand for you.


Lon Butcher
Performance Technician
College of Fine and Performing Arts
Western Washington University

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20061229174125.00c941f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:41:25
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Another job listing

>If you have not found someone yet for the position I would like to be  
>considered.


>>  Please email comments, questions, resume
>> and the title/author of the last book (no text books please) you  
>> read to <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>

"3) Dos and Don'ts
	b) Posting guidelines
		7. Quote sparingly. If you are replying to someone else's post, include
only as much of that post as necessary to make yours understood. "


I'd love to apply for the job, but something tells me that I might be a bit
to picky...

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From: <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Another job listing
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 1:25:27 +0000
Message-Id: <20061230012527.GRN12321.outaamta01.mail.tds.net [at] smtp.tds.net>

From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>

> "3) Dos and Don'ts
> 	b) Posting guidelines
> 		7. Quote sparingly. If you are replying to
>                  someone else's post, include only as much
>                  of that post as necessary to make yours
>                  understood. "
> 
> 
> I'd love to apply for the job, but something tells me that 
> I might be a bit to picky...
                   ^^

[*ahem*]
<pedant>
ITYM "TOO picky."
</pedant>

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

(sorry, Chris.)


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Message-ID: <4595D04C.5060607 [at] fieldmousepro.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:34:52 -0600
From: Stephen Lee <mouse [at] fieldmousepro.com>
Subject: Re: Altman 360Q ?`
References: <list-40534540 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40534540 [at] prxy.net>

Wild, Larry wrote:
> Does anyone know when Altman introduced the 360Q?

My searches through Altman's site didn't reveal anything specific, nor 
did searching the internet at large.

I found that the original Lekolite & Klieglite were both invented in 
1933.  I also read that the Source-four was released at LDI in 1992.  I 
found a whole bunch of interesting things, but nothing on the 360 or 360Q.

I'll bet ya someone at Altman probably knows for sure. :)

Victor Wittmann
VP Sales & Marketing:
vwittmann [at] altmanlighting.com

Russell C. Altman
Sales Executive
rcaltman [at] altmanlighting.com

General info:
info [at] altmanlighting.com

-- 
Stephen Lee
Fieldmouse Productions
Nashville, TN

Today's location:
Nashville, TN


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