Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40804278; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:02:45 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40804273; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:02:44 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BAYES_50, MISSING_SUBJECT,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_MILLIONSOF,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID, TO_CC_NONE autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1074 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:01:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1074 1. Re: Old science books by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: first aid stuff by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by Clive Mitchell 4. Re: first aid stuff by Stephen Litterst 5. Re: Cool Panorama by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 6. Re: Cool Panorama by "Delbert Hall" 7. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by Pat Kight 8. Re: Personal responsibility by Pat Kight 9. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by Stephen Litterst 10. End of the World. Pictures available! by "Alf Sauve" 11. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Paul Schreiner" 12. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Stephen Litterst 13. Sound Specs by 14. Re: Anyone have photos of the Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse? by Jennie and Jerry Gorrell 15. Fiber Optic Curtain 4 Sale by Barney Simon 16. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Rigger 17. Re: OK who will be the first to make this work by Charlie Richmond 18. emergency plan development by "Jack D. Hamilton" 19. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 20. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by Scott Hartman 21. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by "Brian Munroe" 22. Re: first aid stuff by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by "Ken Romaine" 25. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 26. Re: Old science books by Jerry Durand 27. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by Rigger 28. Re: first aid stuff by Stephen Litterst 29. Re: OK who will be the first to make this work by "Occy" 30. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: End of the World. Pictures available! by Clive Mitchell 32. Re: first aid stuff by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 34. Re: first aid stuff by Stephen Litterst 35. Re: emergency plan development by Brian James 36. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 37. Strand Century Info by Robert Graham 38. Photos of Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse by Michael Heinicke 39. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 40. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Stephen Litterst 41. Re: Anyone have photos of the Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse? by "RD" 42. Re: Semi OT: New first aid stuff by Jim Hyslop 43. Re: Personal responsibility by Jim Hyslop 44. Re: first aid stuff by Jim Hyslop 45. Re: Strand Century Info by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 46. Looking for scene shops out west by "Eric Rouse" 47. Little things that can kill the moment by Richard Bakos 48. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 49. Fatal fall at the opera by Richard Bakos 50. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by "Susan Nicholson" 51. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by loftlight [at] aol.com 52. Re: first aid discussion by john 53. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Bill Nelson" 54. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Tim Catlett" 55. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Bill Nelson" 56. Re: first aid stuff by Dale farmer 57. Re: Sound Specs by Dale farmer 58. Re: Little things that can kill the moment by Pat Kight 59. SC->Re: Little things that can kill the List by Andy Ciddor *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Old science books Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: <003d01c72f3c$6594c3e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Looks interesting but the couple of links I tried did not > produce anything but a blank window. Those were for fields of study that hadn't been developed yet at the time the texts were written. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:42:40 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: first aid stuff References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Stephen Litterst writes >Cuts to the extremities heal slower because of their distance from the >heart. I have had some pretty bad cuts on my calves and feet that got >infected no matter how carefully I cleaned them (or the doctors) and >treated them because my "advanced size" meant it was harder for the >body to fight infection that far away from the blood pump. I once got what I can only describe as "trench foot" while working on a new theatre centres construction. It was very hot weather and there was stagnant water in the basement area that we inevitable had to walk through in our typical leaky steel toecap boots. What started out as a touch of normal eczema on the tops of my feet turned into something that required a spell in the intensive care section of a local hospital on intravenous antibiotics. Not fun at all. Of course, in true health and safety style, the contractors safety officer tried to put words into the mouths of me and other NL workers to imply that I had actually suffered an allergic reaction to Chinese food! (???) I wonder if the incident was actually recorded properly. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:50:37 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky References: In-Reply-To: In message , MissWisc [at] aol.com writes >Wonder who came up with the rigging for this place: > >www.dinnerinthesky.com Lunch could be fun on a windy day. At least they actually gave the serving staff a decent amount of room in the middle. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BB932.4040206 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:09:54 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: first aid stuff References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I can't really agree. If I go into the workshop when it is unused, having > received no formal training, and take my thumb off in the table saw, who can I > sue? While I agree that such an injury would be your own stupid fault, the supervisor of the workshop should not have let you have unsupervised access to the workshop without training. Unsupervised workshops and power tools should be locked up to prevent unauthorized use and injury. It's not about the lawsuit. It's about having to shave every morning and see myself in the mirror. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" Subject: RE: Cool Panorama Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:18:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c72f42$17babed0$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: And that's my 165-unit scrolling sign matrix on the Toys R Us building (Superman Returns). It's still lookin' good. :) Too bad it's not a moving image so you could see the cool choreography. :( Jim RC4 Wireless (Revolution Display Systems www.revpower.com in this case) > You need QT to view this, but it's a very cool shot and > interesting for us entertainment technology geeks as well: > http://www.panoramas.dk/new-year-2007/new-years-eve-2006.html > > John ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:30:01 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Cool Panorama In-Reply-To: References:

I just bought a 24" wide-screen monitor for CAD work and the panoramic images look incredible on it. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BBE93.7060209 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:32:51 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > In message , MissWisc [at] aol.com writes > >> Wonder who came up with the rigging for this place: >> >> www.dinnerinthesky.com > > > Lunch could be fun on a windy day. > > At least they actually gave the serving staff a decent amount of room in > the middle. God help anyone who needs to visit the powder room in the middle of the meal... -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BBF60.1010203 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:36:16 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Personal responsibility References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Lee wrote: > I think it's interesting how most of the "responsibility" debate (in > general) these days concentrates on the responsibilities of the > person/company/manufacturer who supplies something. It seems that the > responsibility of the person receiving or using something is being ignored. > > If I'm injured & accept help from someone, I'm an active participant and > am *accepting* or *refusing* that help. While the person who gives > help/advice is responsible for the quality of that help, no one is > holding a gun to my head to take it. I can say, "Sure, go ahead", or > "Stay away from me, you're an idiot". :) Assuming you're conscious and capable of communicating. Which, in the case of medical emergencies and accidents, is not necessarily a safe assumption. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BBF94.8070207 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:37:08 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky References:

In-Reply-To: Pat Kight wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Clive Mitchell wrote: > >> In message , MissWisc [at] aol.com writes >> >>> Wonder who came up with the rigging for this place: >>> >>> www.dinnerinthesky.com >> >> >> >> Lunch could be fun on a windy day. >> >> At least they actually gave the serving staff a decent amount of room >> in the middle. > > > God help anyone who needs to visit the powder room in the middle of the > meal... Or God help anyone below... -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Subject: End of the World. Pictures available! Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" Sort of rigging, sort of construction related. DateLine: Kennesaw State University (Marietta, GA) Large 175 ton(us), 22 foot high globe made of stone collapsed. Probably due to poor choice of glue which evidently couldn't handle the rain and freezing weather. (DUH. Put water in crevices. Freeze. Split rock. Not "Rock"et science.) You'd think the artist woulda thunk of this and connected the pieces with rods. Hope the links work beyond today. Local paper doesn't have the most advanced web site. Front of local section: http://www.mdjonline.com/cobb_and_state/ Full Article: http://www.mdjonline.com/89/10242673.txt KSU Web site with globe under construction: http://www.kennesaw.edu/admissions/campus_tour/cb_social_science.htm I've split rocks both with freezing and boiling water. The latter is so much more fun, with shrapnel flying every which way. Alf ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07064EB3 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > An emergency trach gag is pretty easy. The trickiest part is=20 > kowing where to cut, and the rest is a near cakewalk. =20 Anyone besides me remember the episode of M*A*S*H with Fr. Mulcahy and his trusty Tom Mix pocketknife? That one wouldn't get written today...surprised it sometimes gets shown in reruns. Makes me wonder if the writers of that particular one weren't trying to do a little informal education at the time... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BCC89.1010800 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:32:25 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>An emergency trach gag is pretty easy. The trickiest part is >>kowing where to cut, and the rest is a near cakewalk. > > > Anyone besides me remember the episode of M*A*S*H with Fr. Mulcahy and > his trusty Tom Mix pocketknife? > > That one wouldn't get written today...surprised it sometimes gets shown > in reruns. Makes me wonder if the writers of that particular one > weren't trying to do a little informal education at the time... I remember that, but I also remember Sgt. Tackleberry from the Police Academy movies -- "I can perform an emergency tracheotomy with a steak knife!" Steve l. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1627047511.1167839345895.JavaMail.root [at] fepweb02> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 7:49:05 -0800 From: Subject: Sound Specs Greetings, I am updating my sound system in a proscenium theatre. We do straight plays. Most of our sound "support" is sound efx. We occasionally use microphones. I would like to run all of my cable from the booth to the stage in conduit. When it was originally installed it was just laid across the ceiling of the house. Does anyone have contractor installation specs to run conduit with sound cable in a theatre? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. And it doesn't have to be anything fancy. I want something more than "contractor must run all cable in conduit." Thanks, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:06:44 -0700 From: Jennie and Jerry Gorrell Subject: Re: Anyone have photos of the Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse? Message-Id: <20070103160851.RVZO15640.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net [at] fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Mike Wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photo(s) of the truss collapse on the Aguilera/Timberlake tour several years ago in Atlantic City? All I have found searching the net are a couple of small, low res images and a moved link on roadie.net. If anyone could send me a copy of it offlist, I would appreciate it. I have lots. Let me know off-list if you want them Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459BD76B.902 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:18:51 -0500 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Fiber Optic Curtain 4 Sale I have horse traded for a 10' high x 30' wide 2 circuit fiber optic curtain that does not match the rental LED versions I currently have (not to mention that I do NOT have the illuminators). I figure 450-900 fibers. I thought that I would offer it up here before I went to Craig's List or E-bay. Contact me off list for more specific information. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:18:52 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... At 10:59 AM -0500 1/1/07, CB wrote: >...but it's not a new idea. There ahve been saw races, vacuum cleaner >exploding contests, circ saw and belt sander races (with human jockeys) in >the gripalympics for years. None of which are as satisfying for the Inner Biker as the floor-buffer races. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:33:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: OK who will be the first to make this work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Herrick Goldman wrote: > More importantly Sam; I can give the controller to a performer or a > musician...or even ,gasp, a drummer. Then we'll see some fun. In 1991, a guy with Light and Sound Design in LA (now working with us in Las Vegas) programmed our Stage Manager 3000 show control system to automatically detect when Jerry Garcia played specific sequences of chords and sent MIDI messages in fast sequence to an LSD Icon to make the moving lights quickly pan across the stage in exact lock step with the gliss that followed. Ahhhhh.... those were the days! ;-) C ------------------------------ Subject: emergency plan development Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:41:32 -0600 Message-ID: <4885D02EE83A8E41A537086DFDAE5D82021EA5BD [at] exchange.exchange.viterbo.edu> From: "Jack D. Hamilton" Happy New Years, A few weeks ago I mentioned in an operations meeting that we had no sort of written policies for how we should deal with the whole range of emergencies a theatre will face. In return I was volun-told to head up the effort to create the draft of such policies for our facility. The Fine Arts Center at Viterbo University provides the spaces, technical support and personnel needed to run events ranging from an external group needing a room for a board meeting to symphony orchestras to graduations and topping off with Broadway size tours. Because we changeover between events so often I feel that it should also include developing rescue plans to include falls from catwalks and other situations that may occur in a theatre. I'm interested in whatever sources any of you know of that will aid me in my research, anywhere from existing campus policies, guidelines from gov't and non-profit organizations, and any other areas anyone has come upon that would be useful. Thank you for the help. ~ Jack D. Hamilton Facility Technical Director Fine Arts Center - Viterbo University 900 Viterbo Drive, La Crosse WI 54601 (608) 796-3745 (phone) (608) 796-3736 (fax) =20 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:54:06 GMT Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... Message-Id: <20070103.090750.18186.1034331 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Let us not forget championship jousting with forklifts equipped with = long spikes to carry entire carpet rolls. Don't try this at ANYWHERE! /s/ Richard _________________________________ >...but it's not a new idea. There ahve been saw races, vacuum = cleaner exploding contests, circ saw and belt sander races (with = human jockeys) in the gripalympics for years. None of which are as satisfying for the Inner Biker as the floor- buffer races. -- = Dave Vick ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <38D20B8C-1EAD-4FFF-8B88-21155ABFE566 [at] coldfilament.com> From: Scott Hartman Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:11:26 -0500 Is one require to shout "HEADS" when dropping a napkin or merely ask the waiter for a replacement? - Scott > ------------------------------ > > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com > Message-ID: <3b9.427c4387.32cb2c7c [at] aol.com> > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:33:16 EST > Subject: OT Dinner in the Sky > > Wonder who came up with the rigging for this place: > > www.dinnerinthesky.com > > Kristi > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:22:17 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself In-Reply-To: References: On 1/1/07, Steve Bailey wrote: > Sorry for the confusion on the first post. Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending wih a bunch of gibberish, such as: > begin 600 winmail.dat > M>)\^(C4!`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0! [at] `(````Y`0```````#H``$( [at] `<` > M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 [at] 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F``0`A````0C,S.34V > M041!0S8U,T%#-41!036Y#;VQL96=E+FQO8V%L > %/ [at] ``]R<= > ` > end > JTYSK Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <4ac.8c10192.32cd52ed [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:41:49 EST Subject: Re: first aid stuff In a message dated 03/01/07 11:57:28 GMT Standard Time, litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: > Cuts to the extremities heal slower because of their distance from the > heart. I have had some pretty bad cuts on my calves and feet that got > infected no matter how carefully I cleaned them (or the doctors) and > treated them because my "advanced size" meant it was harder for the body > to fight infection that far away from the blood pump. For curiosity, how did you get them? I ask this because I spend a lot of time walking the streets barefooted, and the stage too. OK, I look where I am putting my feet, but I still find the odd glass splinter. I just pull them out, and forget about them. What is "advanced size"? I deduce from the post that you are somewhat taller than average. I stand 6'1", and have had no problems, apart from arterial narrowing due to being a heavy smoker. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:56:48 EST Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky In a message dated 03/01/07 14:02:44 GMT Standard Time, bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com writes: > >Wonder who came up with the rigging for this place: > > > >www.dinnerinthesky.com > > Lunch could be fun on a windy day. > > At least they actually gave the serving staff a decent amount of room in > the middle. Just as well, as they had no fall protection. At least the diners had seat belts. What I wonder is how they got the food up there reasonably hot. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:19:26 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky In-Reply-To: References:

I would think that dropping a napkin would not require a "HEADS" call. Dropping a fork, however, well, let's just say that aside from calling "HEADS", it would reinforce those "restaurant manners" my grandmother taught me about leaving it where it falls. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/3/07, Scott Hartman wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Is one require to shout "HEADS" when dropping a napkin or merely ask > the waiter for a replacement? > > - Scott ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > An emergency trach gag is pretty easy. The trickiest part is kowing where > to cut, and the rest is a near cakewalk. Chris, I have to ask, what is your medical background? Me, I have worked on a 911 truck, I have seen (and treated) gun shots, stabbing MVA, major burns, MI's, and just about anything else you would never want to see. Dealing with the 'icky' doesn't enter into why I would not do such a procedure, and liability questions also don't play a part. I am not comforatable with doing this procedure because of the very high risks associated with the procedure (which based on the above you either don't know, or don't think are a big deal). Do you know what the established risks are for this procedure are? The first major risk is severe bleeding. This is one of the most severe of the possible complications with the procedure, and one of the most common. The area of the throat being cut has a LOT of blood vessels you have to be aware of, many of which are within the scope of the cut. The second major risk is damage to the voice box or esophagus. This is often perminant damage. Since you know so much about this, can you tell us all what the third major risk is? Ok, so you get the tube in. Now what? You still have a multitude of issues to watch out for and address if they arrise. - Air may become trapped in the surrounding tissues - the lung may collapse - the tracheotomy tube can be blocked by blood clots, mucus, or the pressure of the airway walls - the tube may dislodge - the tube may not work (blockage below the opening) Please tell me, what would you do if a tube were to become blocked? And since this procedure is such a cakewalk, why not tell us what the contraindicators are for this procedure? Their is one for each high-risk group, so let me give you the high risk groups, and you can tell us what each one is: - children, especially newborns and infants - smokers - alcoholics - obese adults - persons over 60 - persons with chronic diseases or respiratory infections - persons taking muscle relaxants, sleeping medications, tranquilizers, or cortisone (the last two share the same contra) You said infection is the greatest risk. The truth is that serious infections with a tracheotomy are rare. Even knowing how, and knowing how to care for all of the potential side effects doesn't mean I would ever do it. BTLS, PTLS and other protocols provide for so many more options that are much less invasive, that work better, and have fewer side effects. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: PO BOX 620753 Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 781-799-4938 eFax: 309-214-0899 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:05:21 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Old science books In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103140224.02039718 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 01:56 PM 1/1/2007, Steve Vanciel wrote: >Looks interesting but the couple of links I tried did not produce >anything but a blank window. The download time is rather long on some of those. Might have been timeount issues. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:08:30 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself At 12:22 PM -0500 1/3/07, Brian Munroe wrote: >> Sorry for the confusion on the first post. > >Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending wih a bunch of >gibberish, such as: > >> begin 600 winmail.dat >> M>)\^(C4!`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0! [at] `(````Y`0```````#H``$( [at] `<` >> M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 [at] 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F``0`A````0C,S.34V > >> M041!0S8U,T%#-41!036Y#;VQL96=E+FQO8V%L >> %/ [at] ``]R<= >> ` >> end >> > >JTYSK That's 'cuz Steve's using some goofy Wintel email client (Outlook?) that appends a useless "Winmail.dat" data file to every message he sends. It'd be nice if either A.) he would set his email client up to stop doing that, or B.) Noah would configure the mail server to reject attached files. I for one am getting sick and tired of trashing a heap of bullshit .data files every day. If I want anyone's "business card," I'll ask for it. Spamming me with it is the least likely way to get any work from me. M'kay? M'kay. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net Yes, I've had my daily cup of Carnation Instant Bitch... Why do you ask? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C3565.1060708 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:59:49 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: first aid stuff References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > For curiosity, how did you get them? I ask this because I spend a lot of time > walking the streets barefooted, and the stage too. OK, I look where I am > putting my feet, but I still find the odd glass splinter. I just pull them out, > and forget about them. I'm 6'6" tall. The worst slice I got was when I brushed past a pile of velour on the stage that was covering a pile of scrap metal. Took forever to heal, including several doctor's visits and a tetanus shot. Others were stupidity induced, including jumping over a knee wall at a load-out and gashing my calf (through my work pants) on the side of a folding chair. Every time I went to the doctor with one of these wounds they told me it would take longer to heal because of the distance from the heart. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: OK who will be the first to make this work Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:02:49 -0800 Ha.. guess you weren't on the stage crew for all the local show... The Greatfull Dead got banned in the city from performing. Then all the break off groups Robb and his walls of cases, twirlers everywhere, wondering if Candess would show up for the show.. Rushing the gate on each show, after a sell out multiple shows show, all the fence jumpers, the fence jumper trying to cleanup in restrooms after try crossing the creek and were muddy up to there belly buttons... Some reason I don't miss those shows any more. 16k seat ampither is not fun with 20k+ in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Richmond" > --------------------------------------------------- > In 1991, a guy with Light and Sound Design in LA (now working with us in > Las > Vegas) programmed our Stage Manager 3000 show control system to > automatically > detect when Jerry Garcia played specific sequences of chords and sent MIDI > messages in fast sequence to an LSD Icon to make the moving lights quickly > pan > across the stage in exact lock step with the gliss that followed. > > Ahhhhh.... those were the days! ;-) > > C > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <38a.ff30308.32cd9c15 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:53:57 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 03/01/07 22:07:42 GMT Standard Time, steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > You said infection is the greatest risk. The truth is that serious > infections with a tracheotomy are rare. > > Even knowing how, and knowing how to care for all of the potential side > effects doesn't mean I would ever do it. BTLS, PTLS and other protocols > provide for so many more options that are much less invasive, that work > better, and have fewer side effects. I agree with you, in principle. But, in practice, would I prefer a bad tracheotomy to a corpse? I think so. Understand, I do not know how to carry out any surgical procedure. But in a life or death situation, I shold have a go. What is to lose? This is what first aiders are sometimes faced with. Their first priority is to save life. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:55:41 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: End of the World. Pictures available! References: In-Reply-To: In message , Alf Sauve writes >Large 175 ton(us), 22 foot high globe made of stone collapsed. >Probably due to poor choice of glue which evidently couldn't handle the >rain and freezing weather. (DUH. Put water in crevices. Freeze. >Split rock. Not "Rock"et science.) You'd think the artist woulda thunk >of this and connected the pieces with rods. Artists are generally not technically skilled. (Just like architects!) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:05:34 EST Subject: Re: first aid stuff In a message dated 03/01/07 23:00:49 GMT Standard Time, litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: > I'm 6'6" tall. That's big. I remember when we built the BBC studios at Pebble Mill. We had two teams working on the TV studios. The big studio team werer all big guys, and I was the shortest of them, at 6'1" Chris was 6'3", Dave 6'4", and Ian 6'8". Oddly enough, the team working on the smaller studio topped out at 5'8". Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I agree with you, in principle. But, in practice, would I prefer a bad > tracheotomy to a corpse? I think so. Understand, I do not know > how to carry out any surgical procedure. But in a life or death > situation, I shold have a go. What is to lose? A life, or standards of living when standard CPR and airway obstruction techniques will likely solve the problem. Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. I don't advocate doing nothing, I advocate doing what you are trained to do, and not causing harm. Next time you re-up your CPR, ask your instructor about this. And ask them what BLS and ALS skills this procedure would prevent. I would much rather the medic be able to tube me when they get on sceen, than have an untrained person cut into my throat. > This is what first aiders are sometimes faced with. Their first > priority is to save life. Frank, The first priority is to make sure you are safe (a dead recuer saves no one) The second priority is to do no harm to your patient The third priority is to get help The forth priority is to do what you can to help those in need. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C4A3C.6070801 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:28:44 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: first aid stuff References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 03/01/07 23:00:49 GMT Standard Time, > litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: > > >>I'm 6'6" tall. > > > That's big. I remember when we built the BBC studios at Pebble Mill. We had > two teams working on the TV studios. The big studio team werer all big guys, > and I was the shortest of them, at 6'1" Chris was 6'3", Dave 6'4", and Ian 6'8". > Oddly enough, the team working on the smaller studio topped out at 5'8". When I was at Ithaca, I worked with a 6'4" TD, a 6'3" scene designer and a 6'2" LD. John Bracewell (6' tall himself) used to complain that staff meetings made him feel short. Steve l. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C4B8A.8020506 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:34:18 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: emergency plan development References: In-Reply-To: A good start is with your local fire official, police and OSHA. When I had to develop such a plan, I found through the above mentioned sources, a lot already existed and more importantly I gained an understanding/knowledge of the actual requirements I had to meet. A small example of such a requirement is the number of trained "crowd control" staff needed based on venue occupancy, and then the training stipulations that needed to be met for these individuals to be considered qualified for their job duties. The local PD and fire officials also had a lot of information for called in threats of various sorts and how they need the situations to be handled. Lots out there, but I recommend understanding what your required to have before beginning such a project. Jack D. Hamilton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Happy New Years, > > A few weeks ago I mentioned in an operations meeting that we had no sort > of written policies for how we should deal with the whole range of > emergencies a theatre will face. In return I was volun-told to head up > the effort to create the draft of such policies for our facility. The > Fine Arts Center at Viterbo University provides the spaces, technical > support and personnel needed to run events ranging from an external > group needing a room for a board meeting to symphony orchestras to > graduations and topping off with Broadway size tours. Because we > changeover between events so often I feel that it should also include > developing rescue plans to include falls from catwalks and other > situations that may occur in a theatre. I'm interested in whatever > sources any of you know of that will aid me in my research, anywhere > from existing campus policies, guidelines from gov't and non-profit > organizations, and any other areas anyone has come upon that would be > useful. > > Thank you for the help. > > ~ > Jack D. Hamilton > Facility Technical Director > Fine Arts Center - Viterbo University > 900 Viterbo Drive, La Crosse WI 54601 > (608) 796-3745 (phone) > (608) 796-3736 (fax) > > Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. > Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound. > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:23:58 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 04/01/07 00:13:31 GMT Standard Time, steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by > ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. Too long. Four minutes of anoxya to brain death. This is what first-aiders are for. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:27:38 -0600 Subject: Strand Century Info From: Robert Graham Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Looking for cut sheet/photometry information for strand century 2124, 2114 and 5913TV series fixtures. Strand's website hasn't been terribly helpful. Anyone with info please email me off-list. Thanks, Rob Graham On 1/3/07 7:23 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 04/01/07 00:13:31 GMT Standard Time, > steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > >> Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by >> ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. > > Too long. Four minutes of anoxya to brain death. This is what first-aiders > are for. > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Photos of Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse Message-ID: <298610.50468.qm [at] web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, it's a good thing I have high speed internet access! I know feel like I one of the few members of the list that DIDN'T save photos of that truss collapse. Thank you to all of the list members who sent me copies of these photos. I now have more than enough photos for my presentation. Thanks again, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:38:05 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 04/01/07 00:13:31 GMT Standard Time, steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > > The first priority is to make sure you are safe (a dead recuer saves no one) > > The second priority is to do no harm to your patient > > The third priority is to get help > > The forth priority is to do what you can to help those in need. I should put these in a different order. To save your patient's life comes first, as far as you know how. When you have a living, breathing patient, you send for help. This is your first priority. Maybe you can get someone else to send for help. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C5D4B.6000903 [at] gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:50:03 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References: In-Reply-To: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 04/01/07 00:13:31 GMT Standard Time, > steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > > >> The first priority is to make sure you are safe (a dead recuer saves no > > one) > >> >> The second priority is to do no harm to your patient >> >> The third priority is to get help >> >> The forth priority is to do what you can to help those in need. > > > I should put these in a different order. To save your patient's life comes > first, as far as you know how. > > When you have a living, breathing patient, you send for help. This is your > first priority. Maybe you can get someone else to send for help. You may prioritize them however you'd like. But if you are seeking first aid training or EMT certification in the US, the top priority is to make sure the scene is safe. You do no help to the patient if you are injured trying to help them. Then there are two bodies to recover from a dangerous situation rather than one. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Anyone have photos of the Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:04:22 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c72fa4$c8458610$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: A thousand in the files. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jennie and Jerry Gorrell Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:07 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Anyone have photos of the Aguilera/Timberlake truss collapse? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Mike Wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the photo(s) of the truss collapse on the Aguilera/Timberlake tour several years ago in Atlantic City? All I have found searching the net are a couple of small, low res images and a moved link on roadie.net. If anyone could send me a copy of it offlist, I would appreciate it. I have lots. Let me know off-list if you want them Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C6ADD.8050603 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:47:57 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Semi OT: New first aid stuff References:

In-Reply-To: Occy wrote: > Well I was really surprised at the cost of AED's. I have no idea how much they cost - was that a pleasant surprise, or an unpleasant one? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C6C7B.6050403 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:54:51 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Personal responsibility References:

In-Reply-To: Pat Kight wrote: > Assuming you're conscious and capable of communicating. Which, in the > case of medical emergencies and accidents, is not necessarily a safe > assumption. In addition, you may be conscious and capable of communicating, but not entirely alert and aware of what's going on. Panic, shock, adrenalin - any one of those can contribute to you not necessarily making the wisest decisions. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C6CE6.9090201 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:56:38 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: first aid stuff References:

In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: > I have had some pretty bad cuts on my calves and feet that got > infected no matter how carefully I cleaned them (or the doctors) What did you use to clean the doctors? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: photonguide [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Strand Century Info Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:29:36 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c72fb0$8f7de2d0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Looking for cut sheet/photometry information for strand > century 2124, 2114 and 5913TV series fixtures. Try http://www.strandarchive.co.uk/index.shtml ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680701031933u4f9b3e51gcda8cfffe8198f53 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:33:18 -0500 From: "Eric Rouse" Subject: Looking for scene shops out west Hey Folks, Looking for a little help finding some shops to put bids out to. The theatre is near Denver, so I am looking to find shops out west to cut down on trucking costs. Need shops that can produce quality rep scenery. Actually, I wouldn't mind the name of a few central or east coast shops so that I can "shop" around. Thanks much. -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C7D29.7010809 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:06:01 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Little things that can kill the moment <>On a lighter note I saw this and just had to share The Power of the Fart By STEVEN LEIGH MORRIS Wednesday, January 3, 2007 - 3:00 pm Last month, during a performance of Iphigenia presented by Son of Semele Ensemble, as the long-suffering innocent heroine was being murdered by her father, a sacrifice to the gods, somebody in the audience of about 100 people released a very small, involuntary fart � an accident, not a commentary. Cutting through the silence, it was audible through at least the front half of the audience and by the actors � assorted guards and spear-carrier types in particular � who were clearly reaching into the marrow of their bones to contain giggles that were rolling through them in small, powerful waves. For about five minutes, their efforts at mirth suppression became a play within the play, an infantile contagion that crossed the footlights into the house. Suspension of disbelief unraveled. We were transformed from the fantastical Greek classic/goth-rave universe the designers had intended back into the empirical world of a downtown warehouse with risers, where some actors were trying against the odds to draw us into the tragedy. The tiniest of farts had sent the walls crashing down. From: http://www.laweekly.com/stage/theater/the-power-of-the-fart/15335/ -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by > > ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. > > Too long. Four minutes of anoxya to brain death. This is what > first-aiders > are for. Frank, Come back down to earth. If you feel cutting a throat open is a good move for you to make, and I have not convinced you how truely stupid such a move would be, please, go take a CPR / first aid class. I'm not asking you to go and get a thousand+ hours of training, but please, go and learn at least a little about the subject. The fact you quote is correct. Once the heart stops, you have 3-4 minutes till hypoxia and brain damage sets in. If you have a case where a trach is called for, its going to take you at least 3 minutes to prepair, and at least another minute or 2 to perform the operation, and thats assuming your in a controled space and know what your doing. Untrained and on the street, it will take you longer, even double that time or more. In that time you could have performed 4-5 minutes of CPR / airway obstruction manuvers, and would have most likely have cleared the airway. If you were not able to clear the airway, you would have kept blood flowing to the brain, greatly prolonging the time the person can survive. So again, I urge you, stop pushing nonsense and go take a class in basic first aid and CPR. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459C7E30.4070707 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:10:24 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Fatal fall at the opera Fatal fall at the opera ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:03:34 -0500

wow ken. you have manners?! where did those come from??

and for the rest of you, hi i'm new. i work with Herrick Goldman (insert laughter here but it really isn't that bad!) and he said i should join. So here I am!!

Susan Nicholson

From:  "Ken Romaine" <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject:  Re: OT Dinner in the Sky
Date:  Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:19:26 -0500
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I would think that dropping a napkin would not require a "HEADS" call.

Dropping a fork, however, well, let's just say that aside from calling
"HEADS", it would reinforce those "restaurant manners" my grandmother
taught me about leaving it where it falls.

--
Ken Romaine
Business Development Manager
Barco Media & Entertainment
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

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>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
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>Is one require to shout "HEADS" when dropping a napkin or merely ask
>the waiter for a replacement?
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>  - Scott

Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:12:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: From: loftlight [at] aol.com Message-Id: <8C8FDD61633B48B-AB0-358A [at] WEBMAIL-RA01.sysops.aol.com> Hey Susan, Laughter inserted now! Only kidding Herrick! Welocome to the=20 list Susan. In fact, hello to everybody since I'm more of a reader=20 than a poster. All the best to everyone out there for a healthy,happy, and safe year. Cheers, Aaron AAron Meadow Lighting Designer P/Fx 212-995-1120 Cell 917-656-1639 LoftLight [at] aol.com www.meadowlight.com -----Original Message----- From: theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com To: stagecraft [at] theatrical.net Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:03 AM Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- wow ken.=C2=A0 you have manners?!=C2=A0 where did those come from?? and for the rest of you, hi i'm new.=C2=A0 i work with Herrick Goldman=20 (insert laughter here but it really isn't that bad!)=C2=A0and he said i=20 should join.=C2=A0 So here I am!! Susan Nicholson -------- From:=C2=A0=C2=A0"Ken Romaine" Reply-To:=C2=A0=C2=A0"Stagecraft" To:=C2=A0=C2=A0"Stagecraft" Subject:=C2=A0=C2=A0Re: OT Dinner in the Sky Date:=C2=A0=C2=A0Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:19:26 -0500 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I would think that dropping a napkin would not require a "HEADS" call. Dropping a fork, however, well, let's just say that aside from calling "HEADS", it would reinforce those "restaurant manners" my grandmother taught me about leaving it where it falls. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/3/07, Scott Hartman wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Is one require to shout "HEADS" when dropping a napkin or merely ask >the waiter for a replacement? > >=C2=A0=C2=A0- Scott -------- Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live=20 Messenger! Get it now. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and=20 security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from=20 across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: first aid discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32880.76152.qm [at] web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I read this thread with interest. Many points were made very well. I am rather pedestrian. So, to be simple, I want to be sure the most important point was fully made. ***Get the training***. It is so easy to get First Aid training and if you work in a theatre or school or any such environment you will eventually need it. If you do this, I believe (and the EMT who wrote to the list seemed to believe) that you can administer band aids, and such. I act with that belief. At my school, we have actually been trained on the AED's -- twice (now that we've had the refresher). My First Aid training was paid by my employer - I wrote a letter and asked for this training. What employer (or lawyer) could say "no" to this? My FA training was actually also part of my rescue scuba diver training, so it was "fun" too. After that training, I confess, I did end up on the Safety Committee. Yes, this is an extra meeting or two, but I now have input in how people think about safety. For (the few) people on this list who sometimes tend to talk (rant) about the stupidity of rules or regulations or "The Man" keeping them from doing the right (or logical) thing, I'd say this might be empowering for you. You might become "The Man." In other words, perhaps you can invest yourself in the solution. Some call this approach "proactive." Short story - I was on a rescue at sea where the victim died. The death, while unfortunate, was not the story I remember most. The real story was that the people with the FA training knew what to do and could participate in trying to save the man. The people without training stood to the side and cried - really. We are not as logical or prepared as we might believe. Any training or drills you do to prepare will help if you need them. To the TD who has yet to be trained in First Aid, I think you get what I would tell you. "Get trained, so you can take the Band Aids out of the filing cabinet and put them in a number of well labeled boxes around your theatre." OK, someone else went and talked about Worker Comp. I predict that you will not care about this subject until it happens in your space. I hope you remember what I've written if it happens to you. {Background: I have had direct contact with three WC claims in our space...} I'm in California, and this may not apply to you but, here is some �free advice� in terms of what might seem to be most important. The insurance guy told you what WC was designed to do - care for you. Your experiences may vary. After the First Aid/Emergency Response stage, if you are (or someone you care about is) injured: 1- Report the incident to the employer -- no matter when you figure out it was a WC issue. Some people have waited weeks to report. While waiting is ill-advised, you still need to report the incident. 2- See a doctor as soon as you can. Tell the doctor the injury happened at work and have him/her write that down. {That first doctor visit will be referred to many times in the years to follow as the case progresses.} 3- Keep every piece of paper -- and write a record of every conversation you have -- related to the incident. 4- Do as much research as you can on WC in your state and related to your injury. 5- Be ready for the insurance company to try everything they can possibly do to keep your from seeing your doctors or getting needed tests. Do not take "no" for an answer. You must write a rebuttal letter in a fixed number of days after anything they do -- if it objectionable to you. 6- Even after you get a determination by the state, and are on the way to concluding the case, be prepared to settle. OK how about something positive to end with? Here is something new I�ve tried. I noticed the new Husky worktables sold at Home Depot and Costco. They are about 30� tall and 2 feet square. They are very nice. I further noticed that they are rated to support 750# each. �Hmmm, I thought to myself.� I built a platform system out of them that could be easily moved (without the risk of injury). I think if you look at them, an approach will become obvious to you. Otherwise, if you have questions, drop me an email. Of course, this is done at your own risk � the plat-forming and the emailing. Regards, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1121.205.215.253.115.1167891140.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:12:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability From: "Bill Nelson" > The fact you quote is correct. Once the heart stops, you have 3-4 minutes > till hypoxia and brain damage sets in. Correct. But that is not "brain death", as Frank stated. I seem to recall that takes around 10 minutes without blood circulation. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:15:09 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In-Reply-To: References:

moved and seconded On 1/3/07, Steven Santos wrote: > > Frank, > > Come back down to earth. > > > So again, I urge you, stop pushing nonsense and go take a class in basic > first aid and CPR. > -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1150.205.215.253.115.1167892500.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:35:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability From: "Bill Nelson" > I don't advocate doing nothing, I advocate doing what you are trained to > do, and not causing harm. Then you can't perform external heart massage. It bruises the heart. There is also a good chance that the sternum will be fractured, especially in an elderly person. It might be more proper to say that you don't want to do anything that makes matters worse. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459CA2C9.5070706 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:46:33 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: first aid stuff References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Stephen Litterst > writes >> Cuts to the extremities heal slower because of their distance from the >> heart. I have had some pretty bad cuts on my calves and feet that got >> infected no matter how carefully I cleaned them (or the doctors) and >> treated them because my "advanced size" meant it was harder for the >> body to fight infection that far away from the blood pump. > > I once got what I can only describe as "trench foot" while working on a > new theatre centres construction. It was very hot weather and there was > stagnant water in the basement area that we inevitable had to walk > through in our typical leaky steel toecap boots. What started out as a > touch of normal eczema on the tops of my feet turned into something that > required a spell in the intensive care section of a local hospital on > intravenous antibiotics. Not fun at all. > > Of course, in true health and safety style, the contractors safety > officer tried to put words into the mouths of me and other NL workers to > imply that I had actually suffered an allergic reaction to Chinese food! > (???) > > I wonder if the incident was actually recorded properly. > That's probably exactly what it was. Wet feet, that stay wet, and stay in their wet boots for too long. Can happen from the tropical to the arctic climates. Quite debilitating, and potentially crippling. Treatment is basically to go to bed for a while, keeping the feet clean, dry and aired out, while treating any secondary infections. Glad to hear that you got out of it okay. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459CAA0E.3020505 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:17:34 -0500 From: Dale farmer Subject: Re: Sound Specs References: In-Reply-To: sschepker [at] charter.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings, > I am updating my sound system in a proscenium theatre. > We do straight plays. Most of our sound "support" is sound efx. > We occasionally use microphones. I would like to run all of my cable from the > booth to the stage in conduit. When it was originally installed it was just laid across the ceiling of the house. > > Does anyone have contractor installation specs to run conduit with sound cable in a theatre? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. And it doesn't have to be anything fancy. I want something more than "contractor must run all cable in conduit." > > Thanks, > Steve Schepker > Southeastern Louisiana University > > > Check your local electrical code and AHJ. It likely already requires all wiring to be in conduit. If your contractor is installing conduit, put as part of the bid package to run some extra, empty conduit from useful place to useful place. That way you can pull in new wiring yourself fairly easily as technology evolves. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459CAF2A.4090208 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:39:22 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Little things that can kill the moment References: In-Reply-To: Richard Bakos wrote: > <>On a lighter note I saw this and just had to share > > > The Power of the Fart (snip) Been there, done that. Only I was one of the people on stage, playing a tragic queen in some kings-and-castles drama, trying my best to keep a straight face. And the person who farted was the director. The guy who had it the roughest was the one laid out on a stretcher playing a dead priest and trying his damnedest to stay "dead.: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070104190445.036b6ba8 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:24:35 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: SC->Re: Little things that can kill the List In-Reply-To: References:

What a sad and sorry state this new year finds us in, here on the Stagecraft list. I have spent many years on the list, ignoring the rantings of some very accomplished trolls and lunatics. I can deal with English arrogance, American insularity, Scottish lunacy, stupidity and ignorance from all directions, and even the ravings from the far fringes of politics and religion... However, what I do find disappointing is our recent descent into the telling of fart jokes, even if they may be construed as "on topic". This is the closest I have ever been clicking on the "Unsubscribe" link on Noah's web site. I'm so desperate that I'm feeling the need to email FW off list to restart his eternal stage managers and lighting cues troll, just to get the bad taste out of my mouth (so to speak). Andy ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1074 ******************************