Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40846663; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:01:38 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40846655; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:01:28 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,INFO_TLD, MISSING_SUBJECT,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TO_CC_NONE autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1075 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1075 1. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 2. Re: first aid stuff by Clive Mitchell 3. Re: Personal responsibility by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 4. Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot by "Bernie Malaky" 5. Riggers near Salem Oregon by "Frank E. Merrill" 6. Re: Looking for scene shops out west by "Steven J. Backus" 7. Re: SC->Re: Little things that can kill the List by Clive Mitchell 8. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Myself 9. Re: OT Dinner in the Sky by Rigger 10. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by CB 11. Sound Specs by CB 12. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by CB 13. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by CB 14. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Myself 15. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Clive Mitchell 17. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Clive Mitchell 18. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by CB 19. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: OT: First-aid by MissWisc [at] aol.com 21. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by CB 22. Re: Sound Specs by Rigger 23. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Paul Schreiner" 24. Re: first aid discussion by "RD" 25. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "RD" 26. Re: Personal responsibility by "RD" 27. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Rigger 28. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Rigger 29. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by Steve Bailey 30. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Myself 31. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by Rigger 32. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Paul Schreiner" 33. OT: More stuff for sale by Barney Simon 34. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by "Paul Schreiner" 35. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "LES LIND" 36. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Stephen Litterst 37. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by Stephen Litterst 38. Re: Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot by "Susan Nicholson" 39. Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself by Al Fitch 40. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 41. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by Andy Champ-Doran 42. Outlook Test by Steve Bailey 43. Re: Outlook Test by Jerry Durand 44. Re: Outlook Test by Stephen Litterst 45. Re: Outlook Test by Rigger 46. Re: Outlook Test by Jerry Durand 47. Re: Outlook Test by Stephen Litterst 48. Re: Outlook Test by Steve Bailey 49. Re: Outlook Test by Jerry Durand 50. Re: Sound Specs by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 51. Need Used Lighting Equiptment by Stefanie Christensen 52. Re: Need Used Lighting Equiptment by "Steven Haworth" 53. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by "Brian Munroe" 54. Re: Semi OT: New first aid stuff by "Occy" 55. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by Stephen Lee 56. Re: Need Used Lighting Equipment by Stephen Rees 57. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 58. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 59. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by Clive Mitchell 60. Re: Sound Specs by Clive Mitchell 61. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Clive Mitchell 62. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Clive Mitchell 63. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by Clive Mitchell 64. Re: emergency plan development by MissWisc [at] aol.com 65. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 66. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Bill Nelson" 67. Re: Sound Specs by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 68. Re: Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot by Herrick Goldman 69. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by Steve Shelley 70. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Steven Santos" 71. Re: Sound Specs by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 72. Re: OT: More stuff for sale by "Phil Blackwood" 73. Re: Need Used Lighting Equiptment by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > The fact you quote is correct. Once the heart stops, you have > 3-4 minutes > > till hypoxia and brain damage sets in. > > Correct. But that is not "brain death", as Frank stated. I seem to recall > that takes around 10 minutes without blood circulation. A little later in that post I wrote: >> In that time you could have performed 4-5 minutes of CPR / airway >> obstruction manuvers, and would have most likely have cleared the airway. >> If you were not able to clear the airway, you would have kept blood flowing >> to the brain, greatly prolonging the time the person can survive. The quality of CPR will determine how much additional time you get. 10 minutes is assuming good CPR is done, but yes, keeping circulation going is the best thing you can do once breathing stops. Many studies even sugest that compression-only CPR works just as well as full CPR at the first responder level for exactly this reason. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:07:35 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: first aid stuff References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Jim Hyslop writes >Stephen Litterst wrote: >> I have had some pretty bad cuts on my calves and feet that got >> infected no matter how carefully I cleaned them (or the doctors) > >What did you use to clean the doctors? A sand paper. Boy were they mad when I'd finished. On a more practical note. Eczema on feet seems to be fairly widespread, probably due to the fact that we were never really designed to have our feet sealed in synthetic footwear all day. I bet Frank has very little in the way of problems with his bare feet. If you do have a mild foot eczema and it does start getting infected due to your working conditions, then the easiest treatment is to fill a suitably sized bowl with warm water, add a tiny sprinkle of potassium permanganate crystals and soak your feet for a while in the resultant pink coloured solution while you watch TV or browse the net. Be careful not to use too much potassium permanganate though, since it is a powerful oxidiser and will stain stuff horribly or could even cause skin burns if strong enough. If you add too much the water will be more purple than pink and you should pour some away and redilute it with more water. Also make sure all the crystals are dissolved completely before putting your feet in. This is a really old foot cleaning remedy. It sterilises any affected areas and helps prevent the infected areas form progressing. It's also cheap and easily available. In the UK you can buy the stuff at most chemists. Incidentally, this is the same stuff that you can make into a wee pile then add a drop of glycerine too. After a short delay the two react and you get a purple flame and some noxious purple smoke. (Not suited for theatrical applications.) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Personal responsibility Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:44:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c73006$7866d290$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Panic, shock, adrenalin - any one of those can > contribute to you not necessarily making the wisest decisions. If most of us were capable of making wise decisions, we wouldn't be in theatre. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Bernie Malaky" Subject: Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:21:34 -0500 Does anyone have a lighting plot for Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Cener. Preferably, I'm looking for the House Lighting Plot(Ground and Section) but any Plot detailing the space would be greatly appreciated. I work with Vectorworks mostly, but any file type would be great. Thanks. -Bernie Malaky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:37:25 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <959723175.20070104103725 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Riggers near Salem Oregon Howdy all! I've got an installation in the works to happen in central Oregon in February. Is there anyone on the list that can recommend places to buy pipe and similar hardware? Is there anyone in that area that would like a cupla days' rigging work? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:19:54 -0700 (MST) From: "Steven J. Backus" Subject: Re: Looking for scene shops out west In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: > Looking for a little help finding some shops to put bids out to. The > theatre is near Denver, so I am looking to find shops out west to cut > down on trucking costs. Need shops that can produce quality rep > scenery. Salt Lake City IATSE Local 99 801-359-0513 might be able to help you. Steve ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:38:55 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: SC->Re: Little things that can kill the List References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Andy Ciddor writes >However, what I do find disappointing is our recent descent into the >telling of fart jokes, even if they may be construed as "on topic". > I wouldn't really say they were fart jokes. It's just an unfortunate thing that unexpected flatulence does seem to invoke mirth in even the most inappropriate circumstances. >I'm so desperate that I'm feeling the need to email FW off list to >restart his eternal stage managers and lighting cues troll, just to get >the bad taste out of my mouth (so to speak). No. That's literary masochism. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701040941i440049e3yde81c32f69f5be2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:41:00 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In-Reply-To: References:

I think I would rather collapse in Steven's theatre than Frank's. On 1/3/07, Steven Santos wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by > > > ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. > > > > Too long. Four minutes of anoxya to brain death. This is what > > first-aiders > > are for. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:50:23 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: OT Dinner in the Sky At 12:03 AM -0500 1/4/07, Susan Nicholson wrote: >...and for the rest of you, hi i'm new. i work with Herrick Goldman... You have our undying sympathies. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I almost don't feel the way I do, only more so. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104103021.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:30:21 From: CB Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability >That one wouldn't get written today...surprised it sometimes gets shown >in reruns. The television show 'Emergency" is credited with saving at least one life. A teenager saving a life referred to the CPR on the show as his source of his life-saving technique. I don't remember specifics, but I'll bet that that episode of MASH is the root of some of my knowledge of how a trench-trach is done. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104103403.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:34:03 From: CB Subject: Sound Specs >Does anyone have contractor installation specs to run conduit with sound cable in a theatre? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. And it doesn't have to be anything fancy. I want something more than "contractor must run all cable in conduit." Get the conduit grounded, and it'll act as a shield. Get it oversized. Way oversized. Nope, bigger than that even. Think about dragging a sixteen channel snake-head (or a 52 channel connector, same size-ish) through it. No sharp corners, no sharp edges, no connections that aren't accessable without breaking something. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104103724.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:37:24 From: CB Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... >None of which are as satisfying for the Inner Biker as the floor-buffer races. Ehm, pics? URL for video? Operator's manual? Are you speaking of the handl-ey thingie that has a round wheel at the other end that supports a number of round pads to do a number of differing things to floor surfaces? Would the race be who could make more circles or who could do the circles fastest? Inquiring minds and all... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104105501.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:55:01 From: CB Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability >I have to ask, what is your medical background? I have spent two years in the radiology dept, right next to the ER, we get them as soon as they are able to go anywhere, and sometimes before. There is a long history of medical folk in my family, and dinner conversations aren't for the squeamish. In my two years as a cop, safety and first aid were stressed. In first-aid, no on e is going to ask for my qualifications, and a trench-trach isn't something that I said was safe, or easy, or should be done on a lark or a bet. I said that doing one was a cakewalk. It isn't that difficult. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, nor does it take a lot of difficult math, or being able to solve lots of equations with letters in them, or the ability to diagram a sentence. Whether you do it well is sort of immaterial if the person will die if you don't do it at all. And I'm surprised to hear that infection isn't so much of a worry. It's been a large part of the concerns that I've heard about. You'll note that I also indicated that reducing the pressure of a sub-deural HT was a cake walk. The actual procedure is really easy. Daignosis is pretty tricky, though, and infection (from the shops DeWalt) might be an even bigger concern here. My point was that these procedures are actually fairly easy to do, and that most other first-aid life saving techniques (CPR, using an AED) are even easier than those. Knowing how to do something is not necessarily a license to do it. I also know how to get a 747 in the air, and how to land it, but that doen'st mean that I'm gonna try it unless *there is no other option and people may die if I do nothing*! At that point, I think I may take the yoke and give it a shot, even if there is someone on the plane citing my lack of seat time and updated 747 knowledge. Kids, if Steve is there, let him do it. If he isn't and you are face with the choice of watching someone die or taking a chance, well, you do what you think is right. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701041024q17e55834r817a673ae5780cdf [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:24:21 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In-Reply-To: References: You forgot to tell us that we needed a Tom Micks pocketknife, and a bic pen.... On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 10:30:21, CB wrote: > >That one wouldn't get written today...surprised it sometimes gets shown > >in reruns. > > The television show 'Emergency" is credited with saving at least one life. > A teenager saving a life referred to the CPR on the show as his source of > his life-saving technique. I don't remember specifics, but I'll bet that > that episode of MASH is the root of some of my knowledge of how a > trench-trach is done. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:27:38 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 04/01/07 04:31:16 GMT Standard Time, steven [at] simplycircus.com writes: > Come back down to earth. If you feel cutting a throat open is a good move > for you to make, and I have not convinced you how truely stupid such a move > would be, please, go take a CPR / first aid class. I'm not asking you to go > and get a thousand+ hours of training, but please, go and learn at least a > little about the subject. I have a rather elderly First Aid certificate. No doubt there are more up-to-date techniques available now. And, as I have no training in diagnosing the need for a tracheotomy, let alone performing the operation, I should be extremely reluctant to try. But, if I were convinced that it was the only way to save someone's life, I should have a go. I always have a very sharp knife in my pocket, except when flying. I agree that the site of the incident should be made safe, if possible. Sometimes, it isn't. In a crane collapse, for example, shoring up the debris can take hours. Hours that you don't have. First Aid is for delivering immediate care, and the first aider may have to take risks. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:26:43 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Ehm, pics? URL for video? Operator's manual? >Are you speaking of the handl-ey thingie that has a round wheel at the >other end that supports a number of round pads to do a number of >differing things to floor surfaces? Like the one I tried in a supermarket once while working on a refit, and instantly destroyed one of those candy racks they put next to checkouts. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:28:47 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References: In-Reply-To: In message , CB writes >Kids, if Steve is there, let him do it. If he isn't and you are face >with the choice of watching someone die or taking a chance, well, you >do what >you think is right. Right, where's the youtube video showing how to do an emergency trach? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104110627.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:06:27 From: CB Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability >I agree with you, in principle. But, in practice, would I prefer a bad >tracheotomy to a corpse? I think so. Understand, I do not know how to carry out any >surgical procedure. But in a life or death situation, I shold have a go. What >is to lose? Maybe it's time for an intervention. Frank has been agreeing with me a lot lately, and others have been arguing my points. Those that I usually respect, too. Is it me? Or would most of us try to trach a guy that didn't respond to less traumatic methods, instead of being paralyzed by contrindications and liability issues? If the alternative is imminent death? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:32:49 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 04/01/07 06:35:26 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > It might be more proper to say that you don't want to do anything that > makes matters worse. While true, it's not very relevant. You want to save life, at least until the ambulance arrives. After that, the professionals have it in hand. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:36:43 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid _steven [at] simplycircus.com_ (mailto:steven [at] simplycircus.com) writes: << Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. >> Wow... you must live in a very urban area with lots of hospitals and not much traffic. My parents live in the big north woods. When my father had a heart attack, he was taken to the local clinic and told "He can stay here, we'll make him comfortable and he'll probably die OR he can take the 45 minute ride to the hospital where they might be able to save him." Mom chose the ride and 15+ years later, he's still around. Everyone should know CPR, AED and basic first aid. Everyone. Last spring I was part of a production where we taught HS kids about the dangers of drinking and driving. The neurologist who was demonstrating (without actually doing it) how to release the pressure of a sub-dural hematoma used a hand operated drill that looked a lot like the one my son played with when he was a kid. Operated like an egg beater. He said he prefers that to an electric one beause he can be more precise with the depth. Good thought, IMHO. And we used the Bloody Mary stage blood wrapped in nose putty to make the "bump" that he drilled into. The ooze from the bump and the "ugh" from the audience (who were viewing the "operation" via big screens too) meant we got the point across. Just one life makes it all worth it. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070104111220.00c7f4e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:12:20 From: CB Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability >Understand, most of us are no more than 15 minutes from a hospital by >ambulance, and less than 10 minutes to ALS care. Understand, as well, that most of us would rather get someone to a hospital than cut them in the first place. We aren't talking about situations where medical care is going to be readily available, we're talking about a last resort. The last one. Not a fun alternative; not, "I always wanted to trach someone" kinda thing but, "Nothing is working, and he's gonna die", kinda situation. Or would you advocate a 'Never perform and emergency tracheotomy under any curcumstances at any time anywhere unless you have had extensive medical training that includes doing a trach with a carpet knife and the battery tube of a minimag'? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:36:26 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Sound Specs At 10:34 AM -0500 1/4/07, CB wrote: >Think about dragging a >sixteen channel snake-head (or a 52 channel connector, same size-ish) >through it. That's not conduit, that's a tunnel. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07065319 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > You forgot to tell us that we needed a Tom Micks pocketknife,=20 > and a bic pen.... It wasn't a pen that Mulcahy used...it was the syringe off his eyedropper. Radar had offered a pencil... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: first aid discussion Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <023701c73030$6727bf10$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Not too bad advice. Not too bad. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:11 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: first aid discussion For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello, I read this thread with interest. Many points were made very well. I am rather pedestrian. So, to be simple, I want to be sure the most important point was fully made. ***Get the training***. It is so easy to get First Aid training and if you work in a theatre or school or any such environment you will eventually need it. If you do this, I believe (and the EMT who wrote to the list seemed to believe) that you can administer band aids, and such. I act with that belief. At my school, we have actually been trained on the AED's -- twice (now that we've had the refresher). My First Aid training was paid by my employer - I wrote a letter and asked for this training. What employer (or lawyer) could say "no" to this? My FA training was actually also part of my rescue scuba diver training, so it was "fun" too. After that training, I confess, I did end up on the Safety Committee. Yes, this is an extra meeting or two, but I now have input in how people think about safety. For (the few) people on this list who sometimes tend to talk (rant) about the stupidity of rules or regulations or "The Man" keeping them from doing the right (or logical) thing, I'd say this might be empowering for you. You might become "The Man." In other words, perhaps you can invest yourself in the solution. Some call this approach "proactive." Short story - I was on a rescue at sea where the victim died. The death, while unfortunate, was not the story I remember most. The real story was that the people with the FA training knew what to do and could participate in trying to save the man. The people without training stood to the side and cried - really. We are not as logical or prepared as we might believe. Any training or drills you do to prepare will help if you need them. To the TD who has yet to be trained in First Aid, I think you get what I would tell you. "Get trained, so you can take the Band Aids out of the filing cabinet and put them in a number of well labeled boxes around your theatre." OK, someone else went and talked about Worker Comp. I predict that you will not care about this subject until it happens in your space. I hope you remember what I've written if it happens to you. {Background: I have had direct contact with three WC claims in our space...} I'm in California, and this may not apply to you but, here is some "free advice" in terms of what might seem to be most important. The insurance guy told you what WC was designed to do - care for you. Your experiences may vary. After the First Aid/Emergency Response stage, if you are (or someone you care about is) injured: 1- Report the incident to the employer -- no matter when you figure out it was a WC issue. Some people have waited weeks to report. While waiting is ill-advised, you still need to report the incident. 2- See a doctor as soon as you can. Tell the doctor the injury happened at work and have him/her write that down. {That first doctor visit will be referred to many times in the years to follow as the case progresses.} 3- Keep every piece of paper -- and write a record of every conversation you have -- related to the incident. 4- Do as much research as you can on WC in your state and related to your injury. 5- Be ready for the insurance company to try everything they can possibly do to keep your from seeing your doctors or getting needed tests. Do not take "no" for an answer. You must write a rebuttal letter in a fixed number of days after anything they do -- if it objectionable to you. 6- Even after you get a determination by the state, and are on the way to concluding the case, be prepared to settle. OK how about something positive to end with? Here is something new I've tried. I noticed the new Husky worktables sold at Home Depot and Costco. They are about 30" tall and 2 feet square. They are very nice. I further noticed that they are rated to support 750# each. "Hmmm, I thought to myself." I built a platform system out of them that could be easily moved (without the risk of injury). I think if you look at them, an approach will become obvious to you. Otherwise, if you have questions, drop me an email. Of course, this is done at your own risk - the plat-forming and the emailing. Regards, John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <023801c73030$675c3c90$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I do recall the admonition of one of my clients, a Golf Country Club, posted. If someone has a heart attack on the green, beat them in the chest with a golf club to start the heart. The word mayhem was not used. Better than pissing on someone who has had a bad burn .... I think. Another admonition of the long ago past. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > I don't advocate doing nothing, I advocate doing what you are trained to > do, and not causing harm. Then you can't perform external heart massage. It bruises the heart. There is also a good chance that the sternum will be fractured, especially in an elderly person. It might be more proper to say that you don't want to do anything that makes matters worse. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: Personal responsibility Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:44:06 -0700 Message-ID: <024901c73030$6b3298f0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Please, say that once more, quietly, in stentorian tones, explicitly, and .... hmn. I shall ponder this quite a while. Wisdom, uh huh. Choosing theater and making wise decisions .... tis not an oxymoronic statement, but does give me pause to think about it. Wise statements and choices by those in theater. At least a doctoral thesis. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:44 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Personal responsibility For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Panic, shock, adrenalin - any one of those can > contribute to you not necessarily making the wisest decisions. If most of us were capable of making wise decisions, we wouldn't be in theatre. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:44:50 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... At 10:37 AM -0500 1/4/07, CB wrote: >Are you speaking of the handl-ey thingie that has a round wheel at the >other end that supports a number of round pads to do a number of differing >things to floor surfaces? Why, yes... Yes I am. >Would the race be who could make more circles or >who could do the circles fastest? Inquiring minds and all... No, you sit on top of the motor, hang onto the handles like they were chopper handlebars, and lean slightly to one side, which lifts the opposite edge of the buffer wheel off the ground and lets you scoot across the floor until you run out of A.) room, B. power cord, or C.) nerve. It's more fun than mountain-bike polo, and slightly less dangerous. (very slightly) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:48:59 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... At 6:26 PM +0000 1/4/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: >>Ehm, pics? URL for video? Operator's manual? >>Are you speaking of the handl-ey thingie that has a round wheel >>at the other end that supports a number of round pads to do a >>number of differing things to floor surfaces? > >Like the one I tried in a supermarket once while working on a refit, >and instantly destroyed one of those candy racks they put next to >checkouts. You need to work on your balance point, I think. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "I have grown to detest the exact kind of people AOL markets to: the clueless teeming millions who have absolutely no business anywhere near a computer or on the Internet." -- Ray Owen ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC509559 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:31:51 -0500 -----Original Message----- > >Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending wih a bunch of >That's 'cuz Steve's using some goofy Wintel email client (Outlook?) that appends a useless "Winmail.dat" data file to every message he sends.< >It'd be nice if either A.) he would set his email client up to stop doing that, or B.) Noah would configure the mail server to reject attached files.< Brian, Dave Thanks for the heads up and sorry 'bout the gibberish Is this any better ?. It's direct from my college Outlook app. From on-campus, as opposed to the "new and improved" Outlook via Internet Explorer that they now have us use when we are not on campus. I thought that the IE/Outlook method was OK - at least nobody commented, prior to '07, but I know the college ITS folks made some changes in their servers over the holidays. I'll try to track down the problem Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701041052q3c874a5eg31e9b9d89ddc0f6 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:52:30 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In-Reply-To: References:

My bad... I guess I'll have to go back to Nick at Night Nightschool On 1/4/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > You forgot to tell us that we needed a Tom Micks pocketknife, > > and a bic pen.... > > It wasn't a pen that Mulcahy used...it was the syringe off his > eyedropper. Radar had offered a pencil... > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:58:24 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself At 1:31 PM -0500 1/4/07, Steve Bailey wrote: >>Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending wih a bunch of > >>That's 'cuz Steve's using some goofy Wintel email client (Outlook?) >that appends a useless "Winmail.dat" data file to every message he >sends.< > >>It'd be nice if either A.) he would set his email client up to stop >doing that, or B.) Noah would configure the mail server to reject >attached files.< > > >Brian, Dave > >Thanks for the heads up and sorry 'bout the gibberish > >Is this any better ?. It's direct from my college Outlook app. From >on-campus, as opposed to the "new and improved" Outlook via Internet >Explorer that they now have us use when we are not on campus. Yes; it is better, and thank you very much. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Some say the glass is half empty. Some say the glass is half full. I say the glass is too big. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:01:37 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07065330 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Is it me? Or would most of us try to trach a guy that didn't=20 > respond to less traumatic methods, instead of being paralyzed=20 > by contrindications and liability issues? If the alternative=20 > is imminent death? I'd have to say...if I were a situation where I was more than a few minutes from any sort of medical assitance, faced with a patient whose tongue (or some other object) was completely blocking his airway (thereby making mouth-to-mouth pointless), and I had nothing with which to remove the obstruction, and the choice was between watching this person die or trying the trach... ...I'd be pulling out my own Tom Mix pocketknife. Or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Sometimes, we don't have all the tools we need in the shop. The fact you *can* open a paint can with a chisel doesn't mean it's recommended, but if there was nothing else around and I absolutely *needed* to open that can, I'd put another chisel on my shopping list for later and use what I've got in hand. Same with emergency life-and-death situations. I'll be the first to say I don't have as many tools in my box as I'd like on that score, but if I needed to, I'll be using what I've got to the best of my ability and knowledge. Once upon a time on tour (fifteen minutes before showtime, mind you) there was an elderly patron (a very frail, very tiny 90-something year old woman in a wheelchair) who took a tumble down an exterior flight of stairs. In January. Given the estimated fifteen-twenty minutes before police/ambulance were to arrive, and being the only person on hand with any training, I was faced with the call of leaving this woman lying on the coooold concrete in the dark and getting shocky on me (as she was bleeding pretty badly--nasty facial lacerations), or risk paralysis by moving her. We stabilized her neck as best we could without a cervical collar, and we moved her into the light and warmth where we could see what we were doing. Would I have done things differently in a different scenario and with better equipment? Hell, yes. But we did what we thought to do as best we could with what we had. And that's what this is all about. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459D4F0C.4090907 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:01:32 -0500 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: OT: More stuff for sale No bites on the fiber optic drop, so how about a soft serve ice cream machine... or frozen yogurt machine. I'm sure that you have seen the type, two side by side flavors and a handle for mix in the middle... Still has shrink wrap where it was shipped here (and abandoned here by the old tenant). It would be a great addition at any crew room, follow spot booth, or sound platform. New it seem to be worth $6k-$10k -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:03:29 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07065333 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I thought that the IE/Outlook method was OK - at least nobody=20 > commented, > prior to '07, but I know the college ITS folks made some=20 > changes in their > servers over the holidays. I'll try to track down the problem This is exactly why I got my gmail account...we have Outlook Web Express as our off-campus interface, and that won't send plain text at all. So you can tell where I'm writing from based on what address I'm sending with. :) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <459D0AAA0200002900003D05 [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:09:46 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References:

In-Reply-To: MacGyver did it all the time. Les snip>Sometimes, we don't have all the tools we need in the shop. The fact you *can* open a paint can with a chisel doesn't mean it's recommended, but if there was nothing else around and I absolutely *needed* to open that can, I'd put another chisel on my shopping list for later and use what I've got in hand. Same with emergency life-and-death situations. I'll be the first to say I don't have as many tools in my box as I'd like on that score, but if I needed to, I'll be using what I've got to the best of my ability and knowledge. Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459D5452.50306 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:24:02 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References: In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I do recall the admonition of one of my clients, a Golf Country Club, > posted. If someone has a heart attack on the green, beat them in the chest > with a golf club to start the heart. The word mayhem was not used. Better > than pissing on someone who has had a bad burn .... I think. Another > admonition of the long ago past. A fire marshal with whom I worked once recounted how his EMS training included improvising a defibrillator out of lamp cord. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459D55A9.8020508 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:29:45 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale References: In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > No bites on the fiber optic drop, so how about a soft serve ice cream > machine... or frozen yogurt machine. I'm sure that you have seen the > type, two side by side flavors and a handle for mix in the middle... > Still has shrink wrap where it was shipped here (and abandoned here by > the old tenant). All proceeds to benefit BC/EFA and Behind the Scenes? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: RE: Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:32:40 -0500

Herrick Goldman does. We were in the space twice last year lighting the Gay Men's Chorus. They have a good crew there! But Herrick is offline until sometime tonight or tomorrow. He will email you a copy of it when he comes back.

Susan Nicholson

From:  "Bernie Malaky" <bmalaky [at] hotmail.com>
Reply-To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject:  Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot
Date:  Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:21:34 -0500
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Does anyone have a lighting plot for Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Cener.  Preferably, I'm looking for the House Lighting Plot(Ground and Section) but any Plot detailing the space would be greatly appreciated. I work with Vectorworks mostly, but any file type would be great.  Thanks.
    -Bernie Malaky

From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070104194633.21226.qmail [at] web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:46:33 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: MD 288 Dimmers/Re-introduction of myself In-Reply-To: Maybe this is Steve's stab at Wii code? :) > > Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending > wih a bunch of > gibberish, such as: > > > begin 600 winmail.dat > > > M>)\^(C4!`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0! [at] `(````Y`0```````#H``$( [at] `<` > > > M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0 [at] 36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0F``0`A````0C,S.34V > > > > M041!0S8U,T%#-41!036Y#;VQL96=E+FQO8V%L > > %/ [at] ``]R<= > > ` > > end > > > > JTYSK > > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: OT: More stuff for sale Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00ce01c7303a$9b6d0c80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > All proceeds to benefit BC/EFA and Behind the Scenes? Barney rents dance floors to a lot of companies; it might be appropriate to route the contributions through DRA. http://www.dradance.org/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070104151401.rycpqm43k0k8og4c [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:14:01 -0500 From: Andy Champ-Doran Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale References: In-Reply-To: Barney, Just think of the tax benefits you will gain by donating that to the =20 Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Scene Shop. And, better =20 yet, just imagine the wave of good feelings you you will float on, =20 knowing that the hard working urchins of Annandale-on-Hudson are =20 singing your praises during the arduous times of build and load-in. =20 All of this and more (a lovely thank you note, suitable for framing =20 (heck; already framed)) would be yours. And all you have to do is =20 ship that big ol' space-eating machine up the Mighty Hudson. Of =20 course, donation of the proper ingredients would be even more =20 appreciated, and equally tax-deductable. Act now before the hot =20 weather gets here, and we will add the brass plaque commemorating the =20 kind generosity of our great benefactor, "Barney Simon, Founder of Our =20 Feast, Benevolent Owner of J.C.Hansen Co., Inc." Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504 (845) 758-7962 Quoting Barney Simon : > No bites on the fiber optic drop, so how about a soft serve ice cream > machine... or frozen yogurt machine. I'm sure that you have seen the > type, two side by side flavors and a handle for mix in the middle... > Still has shrink wrap where it was shipped here (and abandoned here by > the old tenant). > It would be a great addition at any crew room, follow spot booth, or > sound platform. > New it seem to be worth $6k-$10k > Barney Simon > JC Hansen Co., Inc > 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 > JCHansen.com > 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC5DAA76 [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: Outlook Test Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:05:09 -0500 _____ From: Steve Bailey [mailto:Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com] >Steve - most of your posts lately have been ending wih a bunch of Checking Outlook/IE7 SB begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(B`4`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0! 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Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:35:15 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Outlook Test At 3:05 PM -0500 1/4/07, Steve Bailey wrote: >Checking Outlook/IE7 > >SB > > >Attachment converted: Das Book:winmail.dat ( / ) (000C61B4) BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!! Thanks for playing... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Surely we were all just ignorant, hairy monkeys until Google came into being." --Andrew Duthie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:36:28 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Outlook Test Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070104123103.01f6c460 [at] interstellar.com> Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070104122927.01fa0650 [at] interstellar.com> You know, maybe several of us should set up our mail filters to bounce all mail with Winmail.dat attached for a day or so. That would give people evidence to have their IT people fix the problem (without telling them the filters were removed). I just set up the e-mail scanner on my PC (not the server) to block .DAT files, have to see what that does. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459D669B.80208 [at] gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:42:03 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Outlook Test References: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > You know, maybe several of us should set up our mail filters to bounce > all mail with Winmail.dat attached for a day or so. That would give > people evidence to have their IT people fix the problem (without telling > them the filters were removed). > > I just set up the e-mail scanner on my PC (not the server) to block .DAT > files, have to see what that does. But won't that just bounce the e-mail back to the stagecraft server and create a headache for Noah? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC50955A [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Outlook Test Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:36:47 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Litterst [mailto:litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com] I received a winmail.dat with it. Steve L. Thanks Steve, I'll suspend Outlook/IE7 until I check in with our IT folks SB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:11:41 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Outlook Test In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070104130939.01f7bf70 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 12:42 PM 1/4/2007, Stephen Litterst wrote: >But won't that just bounce the e-mail back to the stagecraft server >and create a headache for Noah? You take all the fun out of things. :) Of course he can now say he's heard of people bouncing winmail.dat files, that might help get his IT people in gear. I see it's using IE 7, I had that installed for a few minutes before I deleted it. Found out that a lot of software doesn't like it (like accounting packages). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:29:29 GMT Subject: Re: Sound Specs Message-Id: <20070104.133008.18186.1041259 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Steel 8" diameter pipe is good if you have to penetrate block or other = concrete walls; 12" diameter Schedule 80 plastic is better if you = don't. Be sure to include threaded steel end caps in the job if you = are piercing a fire rated barrier. Please stuff in 'Fire Stop' pillows = in the end of the pipes whenever the caps are off. Make sure that any = bends are built with sweep ells that will allow your future Cat6 or = higher wiring to make 30:1 bends so as to maintain 10 gigahertz or = larger integrity in your throughput; 1 Terabyte/sec is on the horizon. = /s/ Richard __________________ >Does anyone have contractor installation specs to run conduit with = sound cable in a theatre? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. And it = doesn't have to be anything fancy. I want something more = than "contractor must run all cable in conduit." _______________ Get the conduit grounded, and it'll act as a shield. Get it oversized. Way oversized. Nope, bigger than that even. Think about dragging a sixteen channel snake-head (or a 52 channel connector, same size-ish) through it. No sharp corners, no sharp edges, no connections that = aren't accessable without breaking something. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <49E05CC5-F03C-4FEB-9827-EEAD8D6A69DE [at] charlestonstage.com> From: Stefanie Christensen Subject: Need Used Lighting Equiptment Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:50:21 -0500 Hello to the list. I am over here in Charleston, South Carolina and my company is looking at converting an existing space into a working theatre space. We are currently looking for inexpensive used lighting equiptment to buy. Our wish list currently has 21 fresnels for washes (6 inch) and 31 source fours for areas and specials. I have not calculated for degrees yet for the source fours. The stage is pretty small, probably about a 40 foot throw to a 9 foot area. I might have a board already, but I am looking for a dimmer rack of 48 dimmers. I am also looking for About 40 feet of pipe or truss to hang on chain motors for a front of house position. If anyone has any available equiptment close by (I cant spend a lot on shipping just to save on the equiptment) or has a suggestion for people or places for me to contact to find this, please let me know. I will try to be good and check the list as I am sure others will be interested in where to get a good deal, but it would be a safer bet if you contacted me off list as well. Thanks in advance for your help. Stefanie Christensen Technical Director/Production Manager Charleston Stage Company spirch [at] charlestonstage.com (843)577-0868 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Need Used Lighting Equiptment Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:59:34 -0600 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAABE1 [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" I've got a list of used equipment vendors on my website: www.stagelights.info - Steven ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:03:04 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Cc: Barney [at] josephchansen.com Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale In-Reply-To: References: On 1/4/07, Barney Simon wrote: > No bites on the fiber optic drop, so how about a soft serve ice cream > machine... or frozen yogurt machine. I'm sure that you have seen the > type, two side by side flavors and a handle for mix in the middle... > Still has shrink wrap where it was shipped here (and abandoned here by > the old tenant). The last time I played The 5th Avenue in Seattle they had just gotten a slurpee-type machine. Yum Yum. I was the advance carpenter and left before the show opened. The house sound crew gave me vodka-and-slurpee going away present. I stepped on the scale the other day, to check how much holiday weight I put on, and almost fainted. 15 pounds since the last time I checked, so no ice cream machince for me, thanks. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Semi OT: New first aid stuff Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:35:45 -0800 'they on the site I went to $795 to $2500USD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hyslop" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Occy wrote: > > Well I was really surprised at the cost of AED's. > I have no idea how much they cost - was that a pleasant surprise, or an > unpleasant one? > > -- > Jim Hyslop > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <459D8162.9090109 [at] fieldmousepro.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:36:18 -0600 From: Stephen Lee Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale References: In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > so how about a soft serve ice cream machine... It would be a great > addition at any crew room, follow spot booth, or sound platform. Yeah, put it behind the audio mix position. And make sure to plug it into sound power, too. ;) -- Stephen Lee Fieldmouse Productions Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:27:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Need Used Lighting Equipment From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Stefanie, You might check Gear Source at the site below. We have had some good dealings with them and you are close enough to their home base that shipping would not be too horrendous. Much of their gear is used but some is almost pristine. I glanced at the lighting section and found a few things that might be of interest - if you are not married to ETC. ;) They also have truss, hoists, etc. http://www.gearsource.com HTH, Steve Rees,TD SUNY-Fredonia On 1/4/07 4:50 PM, "Stefanie Christensen" wrote: -------------------------------------------------- > > Hello to the list. > I am over here in Charleston, South Carolina > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:36:54 EST Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability In a message dated 04/01/07 19:02:19 GMT Standard Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > Once upon a time on tour (fifteen minutes before showtime, mind you) > there was an elderly patron (a very frail, very tiny 90-something year > old woman in a wheelchair) who took a tumble down an exterior flight of > stairs. In January. Given the estimated fifteen-twenty minutes before > police/ambulance were to arrive, and being the only person on hand with > any training, I was faced with the call of leaving this woman lying on > the coooold concrete in the dark and getting shocky on me (as she was > bleeding pretty badly--nasty facial lacerations), or risk paralysis by > moving her. We stabilized her neck as best we could without a cervical > collar, and we moved her into the light and warmth where we could see > what we were doing. Would I have done things differently in a different > scenario and with better equipment? Hell, yes. But we did what we > thought to do as best we could with what we had. And that's what this > is all about. Three cheers for common sense. I have First Aid training, and its prime purpose is to save life. I have no training in how to do an emergency tracheotomy. But, if I believed it to be the only way to save someone's life, like you, I should be in there with my sharp penknife. The hospital can tidy it up later, but I want to deliver them a living, breathing patient. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:47:32 EST Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale I shall soon have available a computer system Windows 98, SCSI flatbed scanner. colour printer (Lexmark). Old, and slow, but working. Complete with the software. Buyer collects. I live in West London. I am reluctant to junk it. I know that many African countries would find it useful. I just don't know hoe to get it to them Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:14:16 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale References: In-Reply-To: In message , Barney Simon writes >No bites on the fiber optic drop, so how about a soft serve ice cream >machine... or frozen yogurt machine. I'm sure that you have seen the >type, two side by side flavors and a handle for mix in the middle... >Still has shrink wrap where it was shipped here (and abandoned here by >the old tenant). > >It would be a great addition at any crew room, follow spot booth, or >sound platform. If it was one of the slushie makers then it would definitely be an asset to a wrap party filled with booze. You can make great alcoholic slush in those things. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <38mUjXOpdZnFFwi9 [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:10:17 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Sound Specs References: In-Reply-To: In message , "ladesigners [at] juno.com" writes >Steel 8" diameter pipe is good if you have to penetrate block or other >concrete walls; 12" diameter Schedule 80 plastic is better if you >don't. Be sure to include threaded steel end caps in the job if you are >piercing a fire rated barrier. Please stuff in 'Fire Stop' pillows in >the end of the pipes whenever the caps are off. Make sure that any >bends are built with sweep ells that will allow your future Cat6 or >higher wiring to make 30:1 bends so as to maintain 10 gigahertz or >larger integrity in your throughput; 1 Terabyte/sec is on the horizon. Can I just mention that this is where the UK wiring containment and American equivalent clash. You ask for an 8" conduit in the UK and you'll be met with surprise. Typically steel conduit in the UK only goes up to about 25mm (1") diameter as standard, and we move onto steel trunking (raceway?) above that. The trunking is a three sided metal trough in 3m lengths with a latching lid. It usually comes in 2,3,4,6,8,10'12" sizes in various square or rectangular sections. It's made by several manufacturers who deliberately make their joining and lid systems as different as possible. Given the need for speed (profit) and to cater for a less and less technically skilled installation workforce (labourers), there is a tendency to the use of wiring basket these days, which is basically a wire basket that wires are thrown into willy nilly. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:57:20 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References:

In-Reply-To: In message , RD writes >I do recall the admonition of one of my clients, a Golf Country Club, >posted. If someone has a heart attack on the green, beat them in the >chest with a golf club to start the heart. The word mayhem was not >used. Better than pissing on someone who has had a bad burn .... I >think. Another >admonition of the long ago past. I've always wondered whether a blow to the chest could compress the heart enough into a state where it might stand a chance of resynchronisation. It would definitely be a last resort action though. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8tSGnyL4PZnFFwj7 [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:55:36 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Rigger writes >>Like the one I tried in a supermarket once while working on a refit, >>and instantly destroyed one of those candy racks they put next to >>checkouts. > > >You need to work on your balance point, I think. I actually just grabbed the handle and pulled the trigger without realising you need to exert a decent amount of two handle control on the things. It just skewed sideways followed by a shower of dessimated candy. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:59:16 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Stephen Litterst writes >A fire marshal with whom I worked once recounted how his EMS training >included improvising a defibrillator out of lamp cord. Now technically speaking that could work too by causing a massive contraction of the heart. It's a very specific range of current that causes fibrillation in the first place. Too little and the heart is unaffected, too much and the whole heart is contracted simultaneously with a high possibility of resuming near normal activity afterwards. Wouldn't like to try it though. But if I was desperate...... -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:34:11 EST Subject: Re: emergency plan development Jack - I'd suggest you contact the good neighbors at Gunderson Hospital, as I suspect they already have plans that you can easily adapt to your facility. Ask your local AHJs (fire inspector, local building inspector, Mayor's office, county emergency government people, etc.) also. Kristi ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:45:46 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Not a fun alternative; not, "I always wanted to trach someone" > kinda thing but, "Nothing is working, and he's gonna die", kinda > situation. I can tell you that I would spend the time using procedures I am trained to do, and are more likely to work, and again, I do have the training. > Or would you advocate a 'Never perform and emergency tracheotomy under any > curcumstances at any time anywhere unless you have had extensive medical > training that includes doing a trach with a carpet knife and the battery > tube of a minimag'? Not sure about the training requiering a carpet knife, but yeah, if your going to do it because help is so far away, and its the very last resort, yeah you should have the training. In such a situation you will also have to care for this patient until help arives. What good will you have done if you do a trach, and then it colapses? If you have the training then you will know how to clear it, you will know what else might fail, why and how to fix it. Without the training, you just cutting a hole and praying. Do what you are trained to do. Get help if your not trained to deal with it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <23138.69.59.200.119.1167961688.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:48:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability From: "Bill Nelson" >> It might be more proper to say that you don't want to do anything that >> makes matters worse. > > While true, it's not very relevant. You want to save life, at least until > the ambulance arrives. After that, the professionals have it in hand. It is very relevant. If you make things worse, then you are reducing whatever chances the person might have to survive until the ambulance arrived. Bill ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 02:00:38 GMT Subject: Re: Sound Specs Message-Id: <20070104.180112.15672.975806 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Dear Clive, We use plenty of gutter, which is probably similar to what you refer = to as trough, and probably most of the circuits initially travel that = way immediately after leaving the dimmers in permanent installations. We also use extensive amounts of wire baskets for video and control = signal wiring, as well as signaling circuits and even speaker lines. Microphone lines travel safest in steel pipe from the input jacks = located on the stage or elsewhere to the FOH position in the middle = of the house or elsewhere. EMT is often a suboptimal solution, but is = also used, as it costs much less. If you are going to bury the sound = circuits in a concrete slab below the audience, steel pipe is = normally specified, as EMT is often unsuitable or not compliant with = code and you defeat the primary advantage of gutter if you bury it in = concrete. Many of our venues pierce exterior walls made of 8"x8"x16" = concrete blocks that have been reinforced with steel rebar and then = poured solid with concrete; 12" lengths of 8" diameter steel pipe and = a 8"x8"x8" concrete block fill the hole where a 8"x8"x16" block would = normally be, and the grout used between the blocks fills the gaps. = Steel caps are screwed on the pipe when access is unnecessary. I = always stuff the pipe with Fire Block pillows when the caps are off. = This lessens sound and light, not just fire's passage, through a wall. /s/ Richard ___________________________________ writes >Steel 8" diameter pipe is good if you have to penetrate block or = other concrete walls; 12" diameter Schedule 80 plastic is better if = you don't. Be sure to include threaded steel end caps in the job if = you are piercing a fire rated barrier. Please stuff in 'Fire Stop' = pillows in the end of the pipes whenever the caps are off. Make sure = that any bends are built with sweep ells that will allow your future = Cat 6 or higher wiring to make 30:1 bends so as to maintain 10 = gigahertz or larger integrity in your throughput; 1 Terabyte/sec is = on the horizon. ______________________________ Can I just mention that this is where the UK wiring containment and = American equivalent clash. You ask for an 8" conduit in the UK and = you'll be met with surprise. Typically steel conduit in the UK only = goes up to about 25mm (1") diameter as standard, and we move onto = steel trunking (raceway?) above that. The trunking is a three sided = metal trough in 3m lengths with a latching lid. It usually comes in = 2,3,4,6,8,10'12" sizes in various square or rectangular sections. = It's made by several manufacturers who deliberately make their = joining and lid systems as different as possible. Given the need for speed (profit) and to cater for a less and less = technically skilled installation workforce (labourers), there is a = tendency to the use of wiring basket these days, which is basically a = wire basket that wires are thrown into willy nilly. -- = Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:57:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Avery Fisher Hall Lighting plot From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30166599.1167927509001.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Bernie, I e-mailed you what I had off list. I just wanted to publicly say that the crew there is A+ top notch. Treat them well and you'll be taken care of. -Herrick On 1/4/07 9:21 AM, "Bernie Malaky" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone have a lighting plot for Avery Fisher Hall at Lincoln Cener. > Preferably, I'm looking for the House Lighting Plot(Ground and Section) but > any Plot detailing the space would be greatly appreciated. I work with > Vectorworks mostly, but any file type would be great. Thanks. > -Bernie Malaky > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:14:10 -0500 Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank; In lieu of trash, you might take a look here. I don't know how worldwide they really are but they claim to be involved in over 102 countries. http://www.cristina.org/ Hth, shelley On 1/4/07 6:47 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I shall soon have available a computer system Windows 98, SCSI flatbed > scanner. colour printer (Lexmark). Old, and slow, but working. Complete with > the > software. > > Buyer collects. I live in West London. > > I am reluctant to junk it. I know that many African countries would find it > useful. I just don't know hoe to get it to them > > Frank Wood -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > In message , Stephen Litterst > writes > >A fire marshal with whom I worked once recounted how his EMS training > >included improvising a defibrillator out of lamp cord. > > Now technically speaking that could work too by causing a massive > contraction of the heart. It's a very specific range of current that > causes fibrillation in the first place. Too little and the heart is > unaffected, too much and the whole heart is contracted simultaneously > with a high possibility of resuming near normal activity afterwards. I'm not going to go into any great detail about how a defib works. Its much too technical for tonight. Sufice it to say that a post cardiac thump is just about as effective as an improvised defib unit. The trick then comes down to knowing if its needed or not. Now, if you have a 1001 kit, I think thats project #872, but it requiers you to have the make-your-own EKG kit - its over between the do-it-yourself plastic surgery kit and the home made dyalisys parts. If you hit the $29.95 build your own nucular medicine kit, you've gone too far. www.vh.org www.nlm.nih.gov/research/visible/visible_human.html ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Sound Specs Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:25:30 +0000 Message-Id: <010520070425.15358.459DD33A000AC8D500003BFE21603763160E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> Semantics... Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Rigger > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 10:34 AM -0500 1/4/07, CB wrote: > > >Think about dragging a > >sixteen channel snake-head (or a 52 channel connector, same size-ish) > >through it. > > > That's not conduit, that's a tunnel. > > -- > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net > > Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. > > -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9cbafac70701042027h1d72205dp68c5cecac2aa4422 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:27:46 -0700 From: "Phil Blackwood" Subject: Re: OT: More stuff for sale In-Reply-To: References:

Coming soon: Craigslist: the stagecraft edition!!! we already have a Rants and raves section... -- Phillip Blackwood Technical Director School of Theater Arts University of Arizona (520)621-1104 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1138.205.215.253.35.1167986255.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:37:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Need Used Lighting Equiptment From: "Bill Nelson" > equiptment to buy. Our wish list currently has 21 fresnels for > washes (6 inch) and 31 source fours for areas and specials. Don't economize and get the S4 Juniors. They do not have a rotating lens shroud or ability to interchange lens barrels. The lamp housing end also tends to overheat. I don't like fresnels for front washes, not enough beam control when the instruments are mounted on the house side of the proscenium. Also consider getting a bunch of S4 PARs, they have interchangeable lenses to get different beam angles. They also have a nice rotating collar that allows you to rotate the lens, and thus the oval shaped beam, without having to reach into the back of the instrument. I have used them for cyc top washes, ground rows, side washes and anywhere else where you might use a PAR instrument. They are quite versatile when you can do without precise light control. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1075 ******************************