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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1079

 1. Re: How many Express ?
    by dansldme [at] comcast.net
 2. Re: Boston area used electronics
    by dansldme [at] comcast.net
 3. Re: email text (began from Herrick's Pledge)
    by dansldme [at] comcast.net
 4. Re: Boston area used electronics
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 5. stacking truss on spansets
    by Robert Bell <buffobob [at] yahoo.com>
 6. Re: stacking truss on spansets
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 7. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
 8. Re: email text (began from Herrick's Pledge)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
 9. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
10. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
11. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
12. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
13. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
14. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
15. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
16. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
17. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
18. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
19. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
20. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
21. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
22. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
23. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
24. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
25. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
26. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
27. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
28. Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
29. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
30. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
31. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
32. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by "Jenny Yi" <jenny.yi08 [at] gmail.com>
33. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
34. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by "Jenny Yi" <jenny.yi08 [at] gmail.com>
35. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
36. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
37. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
38. Soulfully
    by Shell Dalzell <sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com>
39. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
40. Re: Sound Specs
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
41. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
42. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics...
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Re: Sound Specs
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
44. Re: OT: First-aid & liability
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
45. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
46. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
47. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
48. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
49. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
50. Re: Herrick's pledge
    by Stephen Lee <mouse [at] fieldmousepro.com>

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From: dansldme [at] comcast.net
Subject: Re: How many Express ?
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:18:45 +0000
Message-Id: <010720071218.22588.45A0E5250007A9060000583C22064246130A030B049C020E0B [at] comcast.net>

Hi all

Anybody have an estimate of how many ETC Express series boards
are in use around the world ?   Dave Fox  [at]  ETC  ????

Thanks,
Dan Sheehan

------------------------------

From: dansldme [at] comcast.net
Subject: Re: Boston area used electronics
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:20:58 +0000
Message-Id: <010720071220.25008.45A0E5AA000B2698000061B022064246130A030B049C020E0B [at] comcast.net>

Hi all

Looking for a source near Boston MA USA
 for used general purpose electronics gear
 (not specifically lights or sound);   want to pick up
 a half height 19" rack and an oscilloscope.

Thanks

Dan Sheehan

------------------------------

From: dansldme [at] comcast.net
Subject: Re: email text (began from Herrick's Pledge)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:43:10 +0000
Message-Id: <010720071243.12162.45A0EADE000943A000002F8222064246130A030B049C020E0B [at] comcast.net>

/* start 2-cents mode */

1)  I really like the emails on this list that tell me the links.
     If my computer parses it and recognizes that it's a link
    (which it usually does), then if interested I click on it and I'm there,
    if not all I actually received was a few bytes of text; if not
   autorecognized, then cut-and-paste, or worst case type it in,
  and I'm there.

2) Most SW that can create pictures can save said pictures
   in several common formats.  I like .pdf because *anyone* can read
   it using the *free* Acrobat Reader.  The full Acrobat for creating
   and manipulating is a bit pricey, but there's plenty of third-party
 converters out there which will take what you've got
   and write a .pdf-compatible copy of the picture.

3) The email engine I use on my day job is not limited to text,
   and I DON'T like it because some of the stuff that comes in
   insists on converting to graphics (and who knows what else)
   before I get to see anything more than sender's name.

---

   Attachments are convenient (I strongly prefer attached over embedded)
 but I think the reasons for keeping this List text-only, non-attachment are valid;
   name-the-link is just as easy for the receiver, and barely more difficult
  for the sender, than including attachment.  
If you want to emphasize something in the ***MIDDLE***of a long passage, 
you can do so without colors or underlines or
whatever else might appear in a MS Word doc.

White space works.

---
/* end 2-cents mode */

Dan S.


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 07:58:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Boston area used electronics
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1C658A7.156A1%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <9255155.1168172853737.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Dan,

Contact Mike Katz, who sometimes appears here. He works at MIT's Theater
Dept.. They frequently Decomission gear of all types and then have an in
house system for distributing it. IN the 90's I got a bunch of vx1000 and
oscilloscopes etc....

Sometimes there's some really odd stuff.

And since when are you near Boston? Musta missed that.

-Herrick



On 1/7/07 7:20 AM, "dansldme [at] comcast.net" <dansldme [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Looking for a source near Boston MA USA
>  for used general purpose electronics gear
>  (not specifically lights or sound);   want to pick up
>  a half height 19" rack and an oscilloscope.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dan Sheehan
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 05:17:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Bell <buffobob [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: stacking truss on spansets
Message-ID: <743357.54689.qm [at] web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  I'd like the lists opinion on a practice I
personally feel is unsafe but have been seeing more
and more. My concern involves leaving spansets used
for rigging points on the truss and stacking truss so
the spansets are pinched between the trusses for the
trip to the next gig. Can this be damaging the core of
the spanset as the trailer goes over the road? My fear
is that any damage to the span sets core will be
hidden by the sheath until to late. 

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:39:06 -0500
Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1C6703A.17B4E%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-40925241 [at] prxy.net>

Your fears are correct.  The practice is simply the result of laziness.
Lazy riggers are bad riggers.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile


On 1/7/07 8:17 AM, "Robert Bell" <buffobob [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>   I'd like the lists opinion on a practice I
> personally feel is unsafe but have been seeing more
> and more. My concern involves leaving spansets used
> for rigging points on the truss and stacking truss so
> the spansets are pinched between the trusses for the
> trip to the next gig. Can this be damaging the core of
> the spanset as the trailer goes over the road? My fear
> is that any damage to the span sets core will be
> hidden by the sheath until to late.
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com 



------------------------------

Message-ID: <2284501.1168186663006.JavaMail.? [at] fh062.dia.cp.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:17:43 +0000 (UTC)
From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!

<<Generally you will find (school dependent) that the 
non-academic group, even though it is a job, to be more education 
oriented with you that if you had an off campus contract with a 
commercial entity, in a really good situation, there are ties between 
the academic folks and the areas like me (formal or informal) so that 
you can be supported better in your education.>>

I have read the above through about 5 or 6 times and cannot figure out 
what, if anything, it means. I know the meaning of all the words, but 
am perhaps confused by the only occasional attention paid to tense and 
grammar. I am curious if this actually means what the author wanted to 
say. This was posted by a college graduate in a public forum... yes?

The attention paid to Masters Degree programs seems to be somewhat 
undue. When I went to school, masters degrees were available to 
graduate students with bachelors degrees in unrelated subjects through 
2 year programs of night school.  The undergrads went through 4 year 
programs and ended up knowing far more about the subject that did the 
grad students... although the latter had the "higher" degree. Grad 
students were also given defferential treatment, often being put "in 
charge" of class projects where they had a tendency to "lord" over the 
undergrads.

Laters,

Paul

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In-Reply-To: <list-40924473 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40924473 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <40627D4D-0C1B-4033-8627-E93D41A41D91 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: email text (began from Herrick's Pledge)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:33 -0500


On 7 Jan 2007, at 07:43, dansldme [at] comcast.net wrote:

> 1)  I really like the emails on this list that tell me the links.
>      If my computer parses it and recognizes that it's a link
>     (which it usually does),

	I don't know whether this works equally with ALL Email readers, but  
in my experience it will show up as a link so long as you include the  
whole URL (Including the "http://") If you just post the link as  
"www.whatever.com" without the "http://" many mail readers will not  
display it as a link. It also helps to put the link on a line by itself.
>
> 2) Most SW that can create pictures can save said pictures
>    in several common formats.  I like .pdf because *anyone* can read
>    it using the *free* Acrobat Reader.  The full Acrobat for creating
>    and manipulating is a bit pricey, but there's plenty of third-party
>  converters out there which will take what you've got
>    and write a .pdf-compatible copy of the picture.
	
	Before getting Acrobat on my computer, I used to depend on  
"PrintToPDF". It is freeware, and as you said, there are others out  
there that do the same thing as well.
I agree that pdf is the way to go for an attachment, or a text  
document that is meant to be printed out. As for pictures, LPEG and  
GIF are universally acceptable as well.

>    Attachments are convenient (I strongly prefer attached over  
> embedded
>  but I think the reasons for keeping this List text-only, non- 
> attachment are valid;

	Total agreement on both counts!

	One of my pet peeves is the number of people that send me emails  
"Adorned" by countless animated gif "Smileys", Dancing babies or  
Santa Clauses, or other "Cute" pictures that have nothing to do with  
the content of the email! Some include them in their sig file so they  
automatically go out on every email they send. As CB said, if people  
can't be trusted to trim quoting, I wouldn't want to see how they'd  
behave in a list that allowed html and / or attachments!

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:08:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-Reply-To: <list-40883111 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071706110.4501 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-40881459 [at] prxy.net> <list-40883111 [at] prxy.net>

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Rigger wrote:

> We're obviously not Luddites, and calling us names won't win you any points. 
> We merely choose to read a text-based form of communication in plain text.

Also, most spammers don't send their message in plain text any more in an 
attempt to fool the spam filters and it's much easier to identify spam when you 
read in plain text!

Not to mention viruses LOL!

C

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1C69688.156B1%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <33403109.1168189896285.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

And for all the crap I take about it www.spamarrest.com works like a charm
and has for 3 years!

On 1/7/07 12:08 PM, "Charlie Richmond" <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
wrote:


> 
> Also, most spammers don't send their message in plain text any more in an
> attempt to fool the spam filters and it's much easier to identify spam when
> you 
> read in plain text!
> 
> Not to mention viruses LOL!
> 
> C
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:38:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-Reply-To: <list-40898385 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071732410.4501 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-40898385 [at] prxy.net>

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> thinking about changing the rules. I know Charlie R. agrees. Obviously the

Hey!!!!!  phweet!!!!  I only partly agree.  I use a mail reader that strips 
things down to the essential text for the initial review of messages for my own 
protection and to keep the volume of data down when I'm on a slow or 
restricted volume medium (like a cell phone connection) but I do think it will 
be a LONG time before the vast majority of mailing lists accept attachments. 
Most lists accept html now and give the users the option of receiving in plain 
text and this will continue for a long time probably.

Or... maybe that's what you are saying (trying to sort out all the complex 
opinions here as I catch up....  sorry!)

C

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:37:46 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-reply-to: <list-40931479 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <0699B0FD-139F-4DFB-B7E7-E38F870893AD [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40931479 [at] prxy.net>

On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote:
> And for all the crap I take about it www.spamarrest.com works like  
> a charm
> and has for 3 years!

Oh, didn't you hear, if we filter for spam we'll lose all our  
customers.  :)

Just to show what even a small ISP (me) has to deal with...

While I was typing, this scrolled by in my filter log (these got past  
Postfix, quarantine is actually deleted, I never see it):
Jan  7 09:28:24 interstellar.com /usr/bin/amavisd[28889]: (28889-11)  
SPAM, <wqcinema [at] hammettpkg.com> -> <paypal [at] interstellar.com>, Yes,  
hits=8.192 tag=0 tag2=2 kill=7 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1, BAYES_80,  
EXTRA_MPART_TYPE, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC, HTML_MESSAGE, INFO_PAYPAL,  
quarantine  
spam-633643794f93e2e2ab699af66d969b85-20070107-092812-28889-11 (spam- 
quarantine)

And this in the last 30 seconds of the Postfix log (not super busy  
today):
Jan  7 09:29:49 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29416]: warning: 87.240.42.133:  
hostname host-42-133.qwerty.ru verification failed: Host not found
Jan  7 09:29:49 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29416]: connect from unknown 
[87.240.42.133]
Jan  7 09:29:51 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: connect from  
81-203-84-146.user.ono.com[81.203.84.146]
Jan  7 09:29:52 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT  
from 81-203-84-146.user.ono.com[81.203.84.146]: 554 Service  
unavailable; Client host [81.203.84.146] blocked using sbl- 
xbl.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=81.203.84.146;  
from=<seftoorear [at] radgivningskontoret.net>  
to=<appana [at] interstellar.com> proto=SMTP helo=<radgivningskontoret.net>
Jan  7 09:29:53 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: lost connection after  
RCPT from 81-203-84-146.user.ono.com[81.203.84.146]
Jan  7 09:29:53 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: disconnect from  
81-203-84-146.user.ono.com[81.203.84.146]
Jan  7 09:29:56 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29416]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT  
from unknown[87.240.42.133]: 554 Service unavailable; Client host  
[87.240.42.133] blocked using sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org; http:// 
www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=87.240.42.133;  
from=<aiydeadly [at] fostersinc.com> to=<curren [at] interstellar.com>  
proto=SMTP helo=<fostersinc.com>
Jan  7 09:29:58 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29494]: connect from  
bl8-148-144.dsl.telepac.pt[85.241.148.144]
Jan  7 09:30:02 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29416]: lost connection after  
RCPT from unknown[87.240.42.133]
Jan  7 09:30:02 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29416]: disconnect from unknown 
[87.240.42.133]
Jan  7 09:30:07 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29494]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT  
from bl8-148-144.dsl.telepac.pt[85.241.148.144]: 554 Service  
unavailable; Client host [85.241.148.144] blocked using sbl- 
xbl.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=85.241.148.144;  
from=<yarnella [at] wards.force9.net> to=<maypang [at] sipnsurf.com> proto=SMTP  
helo=<wards.force9.net>
Jan  7 09:30:10 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29494]: lost connection after  
RCPT from bl8-148-144.dsl.telepac.pt[85.241.148.144]
Jan  7 09:30:10 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29494]: disconnect from  
bl8-148-144.dsl.telepac.pt[85.241.148.144]
Jan  7 09:30:24 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: connect from  
static-71-250-230-198.nwrknj.east.verizon.net[71.250.230.198]
Jan  7 09:30:24 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29507]: connect from ner- 
as11139.alshamil.net.ae[217.164.203.217]
Jan  7 09:30:25 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT  
from static-71-250-230-198.nwrknj.east.verizon.net[71.250.230.198]:  
554 Service unavailable; Client host [71.250.230.198] blocked using  
sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl? 
ip=71.250.230.198; from=<jeffery1utc [at] earthlink.net>  
to=<brunson [at] interstellar.com> proto=SMTP helo=<earthlink.net>
Jan  7 09:30:25 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: lost connection after  
RCPT from static-71-250-230-198.nwrknj.east.verizon.net[71.250.230.198]
Jan  7 09:30:25 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29500]: disconnect from  
static-71-250-230-198.nwrknj.east.verizon.net[71.250.230.198]
Jan  7 09:30:26 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29507]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT  
from ner-as11139.alshamil.net.ae[217.164.203.217]: 554 Service  
unavailable; Client host [217.164.203.217] blocked using sbl- 
xbl.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl? 
ip=217.164.203.217; from=<hazel36lqf [at] earthlink.net>  
to=<nicbh [at] interstellar.com> proto=SMTP helo=<earthlink.net>
Jan  7 09:30:27 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29507]: lost connection after  
RCPT from ner-as11139.alshamil.net.ae[217.164.203.217]
Jan  7 09:30:27 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29507]: disconnect from ner- 
as11139.alshamil.net.ae[217.164.203.217]
Jan  7 09:30:32 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29415]: timeout after HELO from  
pj188.czestochowa.sdi.tpnet.pl[80.49.8.188]
Jan  7 09:30:32 Gandalf postfix/smtpd[29415]: disconnect from  
pj188.czestochowa.sdi.tpnet.pl[80.49.8.188]


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Message-ID: <45A1347F.5050905 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:57:19 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
References: <list-40909922 [at] prxy.net> <list-40910160 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40910160 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Durand wrote:

> At 03:29 PM 1/6/2007, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
>> I know how to do this, of course, although I should be interested to know
>> what formats are acceptable.
> 
> Standard download formats are JPEG, GIF, PDF.
> 
>> That said, it is a nuisance to the recipient, particurlarly those with 
>> slow
>> access, and moody computers.And also to those with old drawing 
>> programmes. Also
>> to the sender.. I think to do this, in a reasonably acceptable format, I
>> should have to create the drawing in AutoSketch, import it to Word, 
>> and post it
>> from there.
>

One would think that .DXF from the original program would make more 
sense than .DOC

It should certainly preserve more of the actual accuracy of the 
drawing/drafting in the original.

Stuart

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-Reply-To: <list-40895501 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071744130.4501 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-40881459 [at] prxy.net> <list-40883111 [at] prxy.net> <list-40891404 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-40895501 [at] prxy.net>

On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rigger wrote:

> The only good thing to come out of Religion was the music.

The edifices are pretty spectacular though - not too useful though till they get 
converted to condos...

C

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:49:22 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-reply-to: <list-40931941 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <1DDCF81B-2421-4259-A6D1-0E42E88B18E2 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40898385 [at] prxy.net> <list-40931941 [at] prxy.net>

On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote:
> Hey!!!!!  phweet!!!!  I only partly agree.  I use a mail reader  
> that strips things down to the essential text for the initial  
> review of messages for my own protection and to keep the volume of  
> data down when I'm on a slow or restricted volume medium (like a  
> cell phone connection)

How does your mail reader strip things down, are you using a web- 
based mail reader?  Those are very inefficient in use of bandwidth.

We have SquirrelMail on our server, I set the default to NOT display  
images without the user clicking on a "view unsafe images" button on  
each message so it's not too bad on efficiency and safety.

> but I do think it will be a LONG time before the vast majority of  
> mailing lists accept attachments. Most lists accept html now and  
> give the users the option of receiving in plain text and this will  
> continue for a long time probably.
>

I've seen the option to convert all messages to HTML, haven't seen  
one on any list to convert HTML to text.


Oh, and the dancing babies graphics in e-mail are often spyware (not  
100% of the time, but a lot).  The sender often doesn't have a clue  
how to turn it off of may even think it's cute.

Last count I've heard, there are 300,000 (only counting verified  
ones) PC's that are "zombies", sending out spam/virus/trojan messages  
as fast as their network connections will allow.  Their owners  
haven't a clue.





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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:51:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1C69D54.156BA%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <10667818.1168191711670.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Um....yeah...not sure what all that noise is. Spamarrest just has humans
verify that they are. Yes it can double the amount of traffic but I still
don't see it. I also self validate people I figure may be confused by the
process, like older directors or producers who may not be as computer savvy.


On 1/7/07 12:37 PM, "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote:
>> And for all the crap I take about it www.spamarrest.com works like
>> a charm
>> and has for 3 years!
> 
> Oh, didn't you hear, if we filter for spam we'll lose all our
> customers.  :)
> 
> Just to show what even a small ISP (me) has to deal with...
> 
> While I was typing, this scrolled by in my filter log (these got past
> Postfix, quarantine is actually deleted, I never see it):
> Jan  7 09:28:24 interstellar.com /usr/bin/amavisd[28889]: (28889-11)
> SPAM, <wqcinema [at] hammettpkg.com> -> <paypal [at] interstellar.com>, Yes,
> hits=8.192 tag=0 tag2=2 kill=7 test
-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:52:29 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-reply-to: <list-40932089 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <16639410-8CEB-46BB-8D7F-E89712B5BD12 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40909922 [at] prxy.net> <list-40910160 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-40932089 [at] prxy.net>

On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
> One would think that .DXF from the original program would make more  
> sense than .DOC
>
> It should certainly preserve more of the actual accuracy of the  
> drawing/drafting in the original.

I've seen a lot of funny things happen with DXF.  We have AutoCAD,  
Mentor Graphics PADS, and TurboCAD Pro as well as some viewing  
software.  None of them completely agree on DXF data.

Even worse, I've found that TurboCAD 12, when reading 3D solid models  
from TurboCAD 11, sometimes moves things.  I informed them that is  
NOT appreciated.


------------------------------

Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:54:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1C69DEB.17B66%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-40932108 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/7/07 12:45 PM, "Charlie Richmond" <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rigger wrote:
> 
>> The only good thing to come out of Religion was the music.
> 
> The edifices are pretty spectacular though - not too useful though till they
> get 
> converted to condos...
> 
> C

Many also work well as performance spaces.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

The Long Reach Long Riders will be in New England July 29 to Aug 6.  C'mon
and ride with us.






------------------------------

Message-ID: <45A134B8.2020806 [at] peak.org>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:58:16 -0800
From: Pat Kight <kightp [at] peak.org>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
References: <list-40898385 [at] prxy.net> <list-40931941 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40931941 [at] prxy.net>

Charlie Richmond wrote:


> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Herrick Goldman wrote:
> 
>> thinking about changing the rules. I know Charlie R. agrees. Obviously 
>> the

> Hey!!!!!  phweet!!!!  I only partly agree.  I use a mail reader that 
> strips things down to the essential text for the initial review of 
> messages for my own protection and to keep the volume of data down when 
> I'm on a slow or restricted volume medium (like a cell phone connection) 
> but I do think it will be a LONG time before the vast majority of 
> mailing lists accept attachments. Most lists accept html now and give 
> the users the option of receiving in plain text and this will continue 
> for a long time probably.

Nobody could accuse me of being a Luddite or technophobe; I earn my 
living writing HTML and php, putting high-bandwidth audio and video on 
the Web (but never where it plays without someone actively choosing the 
play it) and teaching a whole bunch of people - some with broadband, 
some without - how to take advantage of the best features of the 
Internet without annoying the crap out of all their friends.

But I continue to believe that plain, unadorned text is the best medium 
for e-mail, and particularly for mailing lists, because it's universally 
readable. Anything else, from HTML styling to attached graphics, cuts 
out at least some of your audience (and annoys a good number of the 
reast). Which makes it a barrier to effective communication - not to 
mention putting a heavier load on the servers that push the mail. Most 
mail servers are already stretched to capacity by spam (which my 
sysadmin tells me accounts for up to 90 percent of e-mail traffic); why 
put an extra load on Noah's server if it can be easily avoided?

These days the Web is chock-full of easy ways to upload and store 
graphics, videos, etc. where people who want to see them can do so with 
a click of the mouse if you send 'em a link. Sites such as YouTube, 
iTunes and Yahoo's Flickr.com are free, do all the work for you - and 
have the added advantage of putting the media where people can come back 
and look at it again and again.

I'd love to see your napkin drawings, photos of your set and lighting 
designs and schematics for interesting effects.  But please, put them up 
on the Web somewhere and send me a link.

-- 
Pat Kight
kightp [at] peak.org

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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:58:37 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-reply-to: <list-40932268 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <74F1FFEA-5C92-451F-8A99-FCC7E5B1997B [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40932268 [at] prxy.net>

On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote:
> Um....yeah...not sure what all that noise is. Spamarrest just has  
> humans
> verify that they are. Yes it can double the amount of traffic but I  
> still
> don't see it. I also self validate people I figure may be confused  
> by the
> process, like older directors or producers who may not be as  
> computer savvy.

What all that was, in just 30 seconds of a typical weekend morning  
(all the corporate zombie computers turned off) my system rejected  
mail from 5 servers and further filtering tossed a 6th message.  None  
of which did I have to deal with.

Let's see, that works out to over 17,000 messages per DAY that humans  
don't have to deal with.  And today is not a busy day.

All the filters are written by humans and updated on a regular  
basis.  I just don't have the time to even download 17,000 messages  
per day.


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In-Reply-To: <list-40932089 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40909922 [at] prxy.net> <list-40910160 [at] prxy.net> <list-40932089 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <64D1A26C-43A7-4E1D-BD32-7CA9AD1ECF0B [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:32:54 -0500


On 7 Jan 2007, at 12:57, Stuart Wheaton wrote:

> One would think that .DXF from the original program would make more  
> sense than .DOC
>
> It should certainly preserve more of the actual accuracy of the  
> drawing/drafting in the original.

	This might or might not be true for those with cad programs that can  
read .DFX files. Those files are useless to me, however, and I  
suspect to others as well.

	Since the goal is universal intelligibility, a PDF version would be  
much appreciated.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:41:12 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-Reply-To: <list-40932222 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071833360.4501 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-40898385 [at] prxy.net> <list-40931941 [at] prxy.net> <list-40932222 [at] prxy.net>

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Jerry Durand wrote:

> How does your mail reader strip things down, are you using a web-based mail 
> reader?  Those are very inefficient in use of bandwidth.

Nope.  I use pine which is usually capable of reading html and providing just 
the text component, while giving me a summary of graphics and attachment 
available with out downloading them.  I can save any attachments desired to my 
server's home directory and download them separately.

> We have SquirrelMail on our server, I set the default to NOT display images 
> without the user clicking on a "view unsafe images" button on each message so 
> it's not too bad on efficiency and safety.

I'm familiar with Squirrelmail and have it installed also, as an option if I 
want to access mail from a library computer or other machine that I can't 
install a terminal program on.  But in fact, PuTTY is so simple, it doesn't even 
require administrator priviledges since it doesn't muck with the registry.

> I've seen the option to convert all messages to HTML, haven't seen one on any 
> list to convert HTML to text.

YahooGroups gives every recipient the option to receive all messages in either 
text or html, with the latter being the default now, IIRC.

> Oh, and the dancing babies graphics in e-mail are often spyware (not 100% of 
> the time, but a lot).  The sender often doesn't have a clue how to turn it 
> off of may even think it's cute.

Never even considered looking at dancing babies!

> Last count I've heard, there are 300,000 (only counting verified ones) PC's 
> that are "zombies", sending out spam/virus/trojan messages as fast as their 
> network connections will allow.  Their owners haven't a clue.

Not mine.  And, amazingly perhaps, I've managed to keep our Windows machines so 
clean that we've NEVER had to reinstall Windows.  Of course that means they boot 
up so slowly that we can have breakfast while we're waiting!  And that's a 
benefit in fact... ;-)

C

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:43:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
In-Reply-To: <list-40932343 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701071842340.4501 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-40932343 [at] prxy.net>

On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Bill Sapsis wrote:

>> The edifices are pretty spectacular though - not too useful though till they 
>> get converted to condos...
>>
>> C
>
> Many also work well as performance spaces.

And you feel these are useful? ;-)

C

------------------------------

Message-ID: <021e01c7328e$01c6d060$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco>
From: "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org>
References: <list-40932343 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:59:46 -0800

>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rigger wrote:
>>
>>> The only good thing to come out of Religion was the music.
>>
>> The edifices are pretty spectacular though - not too useful though till 
>> they
>> get
>> converted to condos...
>>
>> C
>
> Many also work well as performance spaces.
>
> Bill S.


   One would expect so.  It's what they were designed for, no? 


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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:15:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1C6B11B.17B76%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-40934218 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/7/07 1:59 PM, "Don Taco" <taco [at] peak.org> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Many also work well as performance spaces.
>> 
>> Bill S.
> 
> 
>    One would expect so.  It's what they were designed for, no?
> 

I read an interesting article by Jean-Guy Lecat where he said he doesn't
like to use old churches (and I'm paraphrasing here) because they were
designed to make the congregation (audience) look "up" to pray. I guess for
most religions heaven is considered to be up above us somewhere. While I can
see the point I also have seen and been involved with some memorable
performances in churches and other religious buildings.  St. John the Divine
Cathedral in NYC is an awesome place to perform.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

The Long Reach Long Riders will be in New England July 29 to Aug 6.  C'mon
and ride with us.









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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:47:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1C6B890.5B77%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-40904538 [at] prxy.net>

Hi Jenny,
Welcome to the list and happy shopping for a school.  You mentioned Carolyn.
I believe she used to be Carolyn Cubit and was one of our students here in
Fredonia. She will be a very good resource to talk about our program here if
you are so inclined.  Be aware of the differences between true conservatory
programs and programs that exist in the context of liberal arts programs.
You will note the structure, focus, course work and depth can be
significantly different.  Pay some attention to the undergraduate programs
that are found in institutions where large graduate programs exist.  There
might well be a difference in how much attention is paid to the u-grads vs.
the grads.  There are usually only so much resources to go around.
Sometimes, the u-grads may be not get as much support or attention as the
grads do.  Not true in all instances, but in some.

Most of all, be prepared to work and be adaptable. It sounds as if you have
a very strong sense of your goals right now.  Those may change as more
avenues open to you and your possibilities expand. Be flexible.
Also, it it YOUR education that is under discussion and so whatever you
decide, has to meet your needs and goals.  Finding the right "Fit" is very
important.

[shameless plug]
Should you care to, check out www.fredonia.edu  and search for Theatre and
Dance.  The site is undergoing some updating but most of the info is
accurate.

And say hi to Carolyn!

Best,
Stephen E. Rees, TD
Chair
Theatre and Dance
SUNY-Fredonia
716.673.3596


On 1/6/07 2:20 PM, "Jenny Yi" <jenny.yi08 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

--------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thank you so much for all your insight. I've heard from Carolyn Tsutsui, 


------------------------------

Message-ID: <008701c73296$cd2e1120$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-40932343 [at] prxy.net> <list-40934218 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:02:45 -0500

> >> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Rigger wrote:
> >>
> >>> The only good thing to come out of Religion was the music.
> >>
> >> The edifices are pretty spectacular though - not too useful
though till
> >> they
> >> get
> >> converted to condos...
> >> C
> >
> > Many also work well as performance spaces.
> >
> > Bill S.
>    One would expect so.  It's what they were designed for, no?
>


Oh,  Touché

I probably couldn't afford the condo,  so I'd rather see them as
community theater.

Rob't



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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:57:32 -0800 (PST)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
In-Reply-To: <list-40921735 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <16899.28676.qm [at] web50601.mail.yahoo.com>

Check out Stephens College in Columbia Mo. Stephens is
an all woman's college with a wonderful program. The
facility on campus is well supported and rated as one
of the best theatre programs in the country. Besides a
main stage and flexible space on campus, the college
also owns a summer stock theatre in Iowa. The Iowa
theatre is it's own campus complete with housing and a
mess hall. The shows are all produced and built in
house under a grueling schedule. 8 or 9 shows in 10
weeks or something like that. My experiences at
Stephens are some I will never forget. No, really they
won't let me, They have a very active alum program...

Best of luck in your search.


Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

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Message-Id: <p06230901c1c7116ddbc7 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-40937272 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40937272 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 16:08:46 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!

At 12:57 PM -0800 1/7/07, Brian Rice wrote:

>My experiences at
>Stephens are some I will never forget. No, really they
>won't let me, They have a very active alum program...


Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of an all-womens' 
college, Brian?

IMWTK.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

    Not only do I not know what's going on,
    I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did.

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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:12:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1C6CC59.ABEB%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40934606 [at] prxy.net>

Agreed.


On 1/7/07 2:15 PM, "Bill Sapsis" <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:

> 
> I read an interesting article by Jean-Guy Lecat where he said he doesn't
> like to use old churches (and I'm paraphrasing here) because they were
> designed to make the congregation (audience) look "up" to pray. I guess for
> most religions heaven is considered to be up above us somewhere. While I can
> see the point I also have seen and been involved with some memorable
> performances in churches and other religious buildings.  St. John the Divine
> Cathedral in NYC is an awesome place to perform.
> 
> Bill S.
> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
> ETCP Council Member
> www.sapsis-rigging.com
> 800.727.7471
> 267.278.4561 mobile
> 


-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <45A163DC.7080405 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:19:24 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
References: <list-40929767 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40929767 [at] prxy.net>

paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> <<Generally you will find (school dependent) that the 
> non-academic group, even though it is a job, to be more education 
> oriented with you that if you had an off campus contract with a 
> commercial entity, in a really good situation, there are ties between 
> the academic folks and the areas like me (formal or informal) so that 
> you can be supported better in your education.>>
>
> I have read the above through about 5 or 6 times and cannot figure out 
> what, if anything, it means. I know the meaning of all the words, but 
> am perhaps confused by the only occasional attention paid to tense and 
> grammar. I am curious if this actually means what the author wanted to 
> say. This was posted by a college graduate in a public forum... yes?
>
>
>   
Paul, thank for pointing that out, when I read what I wrote last night, 
it made all the sense in the world, after reading it again........well 
it needs more editing.
Basically, what I was aiming to get at is very simple. Many colleges 
have multiple areas involved in production related activities. Some of 
those activities are based in academic departments (Theatre, Music, 
Dance, etc) and some of those are non-academic functions (campus road 
house, student center, etc). I think it is a benefit to any student 
starting out to see if the college or degree program will allow or 
encourage the student to get experience in multiple venues and with 
multiple people. One of the advantages I have noticed to having multiple 
experiences available on a college campus is that the campus as a 
entirety is more likely to try to help educate the student, whereas an 
off campus employer may be more interested in the job contract being met 
and the show being completed than in teaching and training the student.

Additionally, I have seen campuses where the various areas do not like 
to share the students. I think this only hurts the student in the long 
run. I find it most beneficial when there is some sort of connection 
that all on campus production areas have, this could be a formal or 
informal relationship. These ties make it easier for me to explain to 
the student why we do not do things the same way as the other areas, 
with out this explanation the student could get confused or frustrated.


Hope that clears it up......


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Message-ID: <426599590701071349l2f671455nb13a3f6aeca2aaf1 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:49:29 -1000
From: "Jenny Yi" <jenny.yi08 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
In-Reply-To: <list-40937497 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40937272 [at] prxy.net> <list-40937497 [at] prxy.net>

Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the
type of shows they can put on?

-- 
With much aloha,
Jenny Yi

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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:52:44 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
In-reply-to: <list-40938380 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070107135157.01f8d770 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-40937272 [at] prxy.net> <list-40937497 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-40938380 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:49 PM 1/7/2007, Jenny Yi wrote:
>Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the
>type of shows they can put on?

Shakespeare had no problem cross-dressing his actors.




-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


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Message-ID: <426599590701071357q68176cddnc1e0f6d212803f23 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:57:29 -1000
From: "Jenny Yi" <jenny.yi08 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
In-Reply-To: <list-40938502 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40937272 [at] prxy.net> <list-40937497 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-40938380 [at] prxy.net> <list-40938502 [at] prxy.net>

True, but his actors were usually boys before they hit puberty. Isn't
it more difficult for women to play the roles of men? Then again there
is Twelfth Night I suppose... but just in general, what type of shows
does Stephens put on?

On 1/7/07, Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 01:49 PM 1/7/2007, Jenny Yi wrote:
> >Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the
> >type of shows they can put on?
>
> Shakespeare had no problem cross-dressing his actors.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> Skype:  jerrydurand
>
>


-- 
With much aloha,
Jenny Yi

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:04:40 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!

At 1:52 PM -0800 1/7/07, Jerry Durand wrote:

>>Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the
>>type of shows they can put on?
>
>Shakespeare had no problem cross-dressing his actors.


Think also of the traditional Japanese theatre, kabuki and/or noh.
They don't seem to be limited by their all-male casts.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

    "Beautiful young people are acts of nature,
     but beautiful old people are works of art."

                          --Unknown

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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20070107162407.01ff19f0 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:59:20 -0600
From: Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
In-Reply-To: <list-40921735 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40921735 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Litterst wrote:
><snip> I was active in theatre all my life until college, when I decided I 
>needed
>to pursue a "real" career.  Majoring in psychology and then history didn't
>work out so well.  I then noticed a theatre major on campus, talked to some
>grad students and found out that theatre could be a real career.  <snip>

My path to the industry is a bit similar, but then again different.  I got 
bit by the technical theatre bug (or knocked senseless when I banged my 
head on an I-Beam working up in the FOH Catwalks) back in 7th grade.  I 
went to college for engineering, but felt something was missing and ended 
up working for the road houses on campus, as well as working crew or 
lighting design for various events when I could.  I began to question what 
I really wanted to do - took off a year, worked some theatre jobs and 
ultimately served about 6 months working and running theatre spaces at a 
theme park in the Chicago area.  There it all came together for me (some of 
those spaces were really bad) -- I decided to try and combine engineering 
an technical theatre, went back to college, got a BS in Engineering and a 
Minor in Technical Theatre.  I have worked for lighting manufacturers ever 
since, became active in USITT and eventually ESTA, and believe I've had 
some impact on the industry (e.g., DMX512 and other standards, NEC Updates, 
technician certification).

Fred Schoening noted:

>I will agree that most of us don't tend to think in the same ways as
>your average corporate drone. <snip> On the whole we also tend to be pretty
>tolerant of different things and people. It's sometimes easy to forget
>that a lot of the world isn't like that.

One of the most amazing aspects of the entertainment industry is how it has 
formed strong relationships among the participants.  Many of us may be 
competitors, but there is a lot of mutual respect and great friendships to 
be found.  The thought of going out for drinks or dinner at a conference 
with competitors is something you won't find in most industries, but it is 
standard in our business (and many people I know outside our industry find 
this amazing).  That's pretty special.

Good luck Jenny,

. . .
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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USITT Engineering Vice-Commissioner

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         mhefter  [at]  genlytecontrols.com
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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 01:13:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated!
Message-Id: <20070107.171332.15735.987696 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com>

...And neither do I. If they can fool me at the audition, as well as =

giving the best reading and characterization of those who auditioned, =

they have the inside track to getting the part. We may not be always =

be looking for non-traditional casting, but sometimes it finds us.
/s/ Richard
_______________________
Jenny Yi wrote:
>Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the
>type of shows they can put on?
_______________________
Shakespeare had no problem cross-dressing his actors.
-- =

Jerry Durand 


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References: <list-40892230 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <05762782-C3C7-4F8E-A3D1-8BE266884DB1 [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Cc: sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com (Shell Dalzell)
From: Shell Dalzell <sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Soulfully
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:53:59 -1000

  Said Tom at last... soulfully, with tongue in cheek, feeling like a  
heel, ready to be given the boot, and toeing the line.

Aloha,  Shell
sdalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com


On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote:

> "If I can stop loafing around and cobble something together, I'll be a
> shoe-in" said Tom at last... soulfully.
>


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107190640.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:06:40
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge

>I was bringing it up because a newbie
>accidentally sent HTML and got spanked.

I'd like to offer that it wasn't a spanking, it was a gentle reminder to a
noob *without* name-calling, or malice.  It was an opportunity (since she
represented herself as an associate of yours, by way of introduction, an
thereby finding the perfect plausible deniability, nice move) to poke you a
bit, too, to remind you that we are still friends, and although we haven't
spent any time IRL together lately, I still think of our race-day and still
tell that story.  BTW, in my version, I always win.
I did *not* intend to slam the door on a noob or indicate that she was
anyway deficient, other than I couldn't read her posts well in HTML.
Apologies to both if any other intent was inferred.
Susan, this was in no way your fault.  This was all me, Dave, Herrick, and
a few of the other usual suspects doing what we do here.  You'll be used to
it soon.  It may even entertain you.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107191706.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:17:06
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Sound Specs

>You have a clear path from end to end to drag the spool/coil?  Then 
>by all means use trays.

Ehm, not quite.  Say I'm wiring a buncha video to the master control.
Cable trays *usually* (this will mean "not in all cases, but a bunch" in
this case) follow the paths of hallways and doorways.  This is why there
are trays (again, usually) instead of tunnels or conduits and such. The
coil/spool will stay in one place, and we'll walk the end over to where it
need to terminate, give it a healthy fudge factor, and then cut and
terminate the cable.  Plug in both ends, and toss it in the tray.  In some
apps where the trays go through doorways without access, you need to
re-thread, but it's fairly simple.
All bets are of if you have to travel all over and you're running serially
instead of a star.  It doesn't always work this way, but it's pretty common
in a studio environment.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107192015.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:20:15
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge

>CB She's from INDY, she may be able to show ya a thing or two.

Bring it.  Tell me at the finish line...
<http://www.p1kartcircuit.com/>
Like I've always said;  I may not win, but I will run!  Second place of two
isn't as much fun as first, but it's a boatload more fun'n watchin'!

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107192101.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:21:01
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics...

>>So, uhm, daaaaave.....  Howwizzit that 'Clivey' is perfectly acceptable,
>>but 'Davey' is punishable by physical abuse?  HMMMmmmm?!?
>Because I own firearms and Clive doesn't.
>And I can get you you a lot easier than he can.

fairenough...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107192842.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:28:42
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Sound Specs

>That would be a problem if the tray goes through walls or you don't have
>one side of the tray completely open.

It's really easy to thread the occasional doorway hole on the way in, or,
alternatively, pull the cable through the hallway and thread it onceyou
have terminated and tested it.  
If you don't have one side of the tray open, then usually the other side
is.  Or that isn't a tray.  (?)
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070107193019.00c82af0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:30:19
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: OT: First-aid & liability

>On the other hand, if I were the person in distress, I would rather be a
>mute the rest of what might be a normal remaining lifespan than be dead.

Ding!  Give that man a cigar!  Yep, we're both singing from the same page
now.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-ID: <BAY125-F661C93079B3D262C658CAC3BC0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-40945055 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:09:46 -0500

you guys already have! :-)  plus i hang out with herrick enought to know 
what i am in for.
Susan Nicholson


From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:06:40

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

 >I was bringing it up because a newbie
 >accidentally sent HTML and got spanked.

I'd like to offer that it wasn't a spanking, it was a gentle reminder to a
noob *without* name-calling, or malice.  It was an opportunity (since she
represented herself as an associate of yours, by way of introduction, an
thereby finding the perfect plausible deniability, nice move) to poke you a
bit, too, to remind you that we are still friends, and although we haven't
spent any time IRL together lately, I still think of our race-day and still
tell that story.  BTW, in my version, I always win.
I did *not* intend to slam the door on a noob or indicate that she was
anyway deficient, other than I couldn't read her posts well in HTML.
Apologies to both if any other intent was inferred.
Susan, this was in no way your fault.  This was all me, Dave, Herrick, and
a few of the other usual suspects doing what we do here.  You'll be used to
it soon.  It may even entertain you.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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In-Reply-To: <list-40945333 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:11:56 -0500

And on that not, my uncle used to race.  My brother is in charge of this 
years Grand Prix at Purdue University.  And I grew up 20 minutes from the 
speedway.
Susan Nicholson


From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:20:15

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

 >CB She's from INDY, she may be able to show ya a thing or two.

Bring it.  Tell me at the finish line...
<http://www.p1kartcircuit.com/>
Like I've always said;  I may not win, but I will run!  Second place of two
isn't as much fun as first, but it's a boatload more fun'n watchin'!

_________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:37:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1C726A7.156E5%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <23694526.1168223859479.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

You did always win! Hippie!

I suck at those little pretend racers. C'mon out on the real roads I'll show
ya what a Porsche can do. No offense taken in any event. Miss you too
sweetums. 

On 1/7/07 7:06 PM, "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>

> Susan, this was in no way your fault.  This was all me, Dave, Herrick, and
> a few of the other usual suspects doing what we do here.  You'll be used to
> it soon.  It may even entertain you.
> Chris "Chris" Babbie
> Location Sound
> MON AZ
> 
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...
> 
> Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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In-Reply-To: <list-40946286 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-40946286 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:48:28 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge

At 10:37 PM -0500 1/7/07, Herrick Goldman wrote:

>I suck at those little pretend racers. C'mon out on the real roads I'll show
>ya what a Porsche can do. No offense taken in any event.


Two too many wheels.

I like the thought of a Stagecraft List track day at one of Keith 
Code's events, m'self.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  If Helen Keller had psychic ability,
    would you say that she had a "fourth sense"?

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Message-ID: <45A1CBCA.9080604 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:42:50 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
References: <list-40945333 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40945333 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:

>> CB She's from INDY, she may be able to show ya a thing or two.
> 
> Bring it.  Tell me at the finish line...
> <http://www.p1kartcircuit.com/>

You call that a TRACK?

This is way cool, and inside too!  Too bad the pictures aren't more 
comprehensive, and there's no track plan showing the bridge and tunnels.
http://www.euro-kartracing.nl/Karten.php  You can see the bridge in one 
of the fotos.

And I never finished last!  Which is all I can say for my karting skills.

Stuart

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Message-ID: <45A1E85D.3010801 [at] fieldmousepro.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:44:45 -0600
From: Stephen Lee <mouse [at] fieldmousepro.com>
Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge
References: <list-40946286 [at] prxy.net> <list-40946552 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-40946552 [at] prxy.net>

Rigger wrote:
> I like the thought of a Stagecraft List track day at one of Keith 
> Code's events, m'self.

(jumping up & down with hand raised)

OOOH! OOOH!  OOOH!

I'll second that motion.
I've been wanting a good excuse to go for a track day (not for 
competition, mind you, just to stretch my legs & have fun).  I think 
it'd be fun to see unka' Bill out there dragging pegs.  Or have a go at 
Keith's "wheelie bike".

Stephen Lee
2001 Suzuki SV650S

-- 
Stephen Lee
Fieldmouse Productions
Nashville, TN


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