Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40995828; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:51:01 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 40995817; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:50:50 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_SQ,URI_NO_WWW_ANY_CGI autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1080 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:49:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1080 1. Re: Sound Specs by "Bill Nelson" 2. Student sues college over injuries in accident by Richard Bakos 3. FUBAR by "Michael Brubaker" 4. Scrollers by Bob Frame 5. Trap door hinges by "Jon Ares" 6. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: OT: First-aid & liability by "Paul Schreiner" 8. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! by SS 9. Re: Scrollers by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: Trap door hinges by SS 12. Re: Trap door hinges by "Bill Nelson" 13. Express Info by "David Fox" 14. Re: Scrollers by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 15. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! by SS 16. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Greg Williams 17. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Stephen Litterst 18. Re: FUBAR by Jerry Durand 19. Re: Trap door hinges by "Jon Lagerquist" 20. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by Philip Johnson 21. Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! by Kimberly Corbett 22. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by "Tim Catlett" 23. Re: Trap door hinges by Jerry Durand 24. Re: FUBAR by "Tim Catlett" 25. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by Charlie Fraser 26. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by Stephen Litterst 28. Re: FUBAR by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 29. Re: FUBAR by "Tim Catlett" 30. Re: FUBAR by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 31. Re: FUBAR by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 32. Re: Herrick's pledge by "Kurt Cypher" 33. Re: FUBAR by Greg Williams 34. Re: FUBAR by Charlie Richmond 35. Stephens College (eek a man) by b Ricie 36. cheap CF lamps by Jerry Durand 37. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Herrick Goldman 38. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Jerry Durand 39. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Herrick Goldman 40. Stephens College(eek a man) by b Ricie 41. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Charlie Richmond 42. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by "Susan Nicholson" 43. Re: realistic dock planking by "Storms, Randy" 44. Sales/Install Question by SS 45. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Andrew Vance 46. Re: Express Info by "Paul Puppo" 47. Re: Pyle &/or Veam 12 circ. by Brian Aldous 48. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 49. Re: Stephens College(eek a man) by Rigger 50. Re: Express Info by Stephen Litterst 51. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Rigger 52. Re: Stephens College (eek a man) by Bill Potter 53. Re: Express Info by Michael Heinicke 54. Re: FUBAR by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 55. Re: Stephens College(eek a man) by Stephen Litterst 56. Re: Stephens College(eek a man) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 57. Re: Express Info by Stephen Litterst 58. Re: FUBAR by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 59. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by Richard Bakos 60. Re: Sales/Install Question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 61. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Clive Mitchell 62. Re: Sales/Install Question by Stephen Lee 63. ETCP [at] USITT by Bill Sapsis 64. Atman 3.5 Q Question by Robert Graham 65. Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question by "Bill Nelson" 66. Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question by Stephen Lee 67. Re: Smelly rooms? by Dale Farmer 68. Re: Boston area used electronics by Dale Farmer 69. Re: FUBAR by Dale Farmer 70. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Rigger 71. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Herrick Goldman 72. stacking truss on spansets by Robert Bell *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <1309.205.215.253.4.1168259498.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 04:31:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sound Specs From: "Bill Nelson" > It's really easy to thread the occasional doorway hole on the way in, or, > alternatively, pull the cable through the hallway and thread it onceyou > have terminated and tested it. I am not sure the latter gains much, unless there are intermediate connectors along the length. Otherwise, to thread it, you have to pull the cable all the way back to the first penetration and then repull it. > If you don't have one side of the tray open, then usually the other side > is. Or that isn't a tray. (?) I don't consider it open if there are hangers along the length that block the simple laying of the cable into the tray. I have encountered a couple of trays that were only supported from the side or from below, but they have been in the small minority. Most have had overhead hangers supporting the tray. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2412E.1040502 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:03:42 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Student sues college over injuries in accident From Centre Daily Times http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/16405823.htm Student sues college over injuries in accident Associated Press WAYNESBURG, Pa. - A Waynesburg College student sued the school in federal court, claiming he was disfigured in an accident that happened while he was working on the set of a play as part of a requirement for his theater class. Steven E. Hawkins was operating a 10-inch compound miter saw in the school's Performing Arts Center on Feb. 23 when his left sleeve was pulled into the blade area, according to the lawsuit. Hawkins, of Morgantown, W.Va., suffered broken fingers and other serious injuries to his left hand, the lawsuit states. His left hand and thumb had to be reattached, but the thumb was subsequently amputated. Hawkins and several other students were working on the stage sets and props for the school's spring musical when the accident happened, the lawsuit states. Hawkins was enrolled in an introductory theater class and was required by the professor, who was not named in the lawsuit, to accumulate theater experience outside the classroom, according to the lawsuit. Hawkins accused the school of failing to provide proper training and instruction to students in the proper use of the saws, failing to provide supervision for the students using dangerous machinery, and failing to take reasonable precautions to warn students of the dangers. Messages left at the school's media relations office Sunday afternoon were not immediately returned. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: FUBAR Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This from Stanley. Great name for a tool. I need one, just so I can say, "Please go and bring me the FUBAR." http://www.toolbarn.com/product/stanley/55-099/ Ahhh. The places this can go! Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B9043D97B8 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: Scrollers Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:22:23 -0500 I appeal to the great minds of the list- As part of the ongoing renovation project in my theatre (only 3 months behind sched....) my lighting inventory has been updated. In the bid specs Apollo Smart scrollers were requested to match my current inventory. Of course the supplier shipped Chroma Q Plus scrollers. I have found out that the four pin configuration is the same so I don't need two complete sets of cable but I have not been able to find out if the "brains/ power supplies" will talk to both units. Can anyone advise me? Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c73332$311fd6a0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Trap door hinges Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:35:06 -0800 I'm designing some small trap doors (1'x1' and 2'x1') that sit flush with the stage, open downward, and are operated from below. Does anyone have recommendations on hinges for such a configuration? I don't want any hinges visible on the stage floor. (In addition, these small traps will need to be walk-on-able, when they're shut. A secure latching mechanism will be needed, if anyone has suggestions on that, as well.) Thanks, y'all. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0706572F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: bigfred [at] mindspring.com (Fred Schoening, Jr.) > Theatre 101, 8:00 am, day 1: "Theatre is a Collaborative Art." Note to the OP...stay away from any theatre department that begins lecture classes at 8:00 am. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT: First-aid & liability Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0706573A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > >>> I do recall the admonition of one of my clients, a Golf Country=20 > >>> Club, posted. If someone has a heart attack on the green,=20 > beat them=20 > >>> in the chest with a golf club to start the heart. > >Did it suggest a Driver or a 3-Iron? >=20 > Depends on the lie. Woods if he starts to die onthe fairway,=20 > hooded iron in deep grass. In the bunker, you're SOL. Might as well just start raking at that point. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701080700j1b82dd2cs48532d5c7ca0ce1d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:00:34 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! In-Reply-To: References:

> >>My experiences at > >Stephens are some I will never forget. No, really they > >won't let me, They have a very active alum program... > >> >>>> Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of an all-womens' college, Brian?<<<< I too thought the same thing. You are not alone Dave! So.... is there something you're not telling us Brian? :)- -SS TTS-EKU "I once prayed to god for a bike, but quickly found out he didn't work that way...so I stole a bike and prayed for his forgiveness" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1796.205.215.253.4.1168268941.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:09:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Scrollers From: "Bill Nelson" > As part of the ongoing renovation project in my theatre > (only 3 months behind sched....) my lighting inventory has > been updated. In the bid specs Apollo Smart scrollers were > requested to match my current inventory. Of course the supplier > shipped Chroma Q Plus scrollers. I have found out that the > four pin configuration is the same so I don't need two complete > sets of cable but I have not been able to find out if the "brains/ > power supplies" will talk to both units. Can anyone advise me? According to the Apollo web site, the Apollo Smart Scroller is compatable with the Chroma Q supply. I don't think any of the power supplies have "brains". They just put power and DMX signals on the proper pins of the DMX-4 connectors. The DMX address is set at the scroller, without any grouping at the power supply. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07065766 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > > >>My experiences at > > >Stephens are some I will never forget. No, really they=20 > won't let me,=20 > > >They have a very active alum program... > > >> >=20 > >>>> Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of an all-womens' > college, Brian?<<<< >=20 >=20 > I too thought the same thing. You are not alone Dave! >=20 > So.... is there something you're not telling us Brian? :)- As I work at soon-to-be-formerly-named Randolph-Macon Woman's College, I can say that a number of WCs allow male students; in our case, they just can't matriculate. But for small colleges like this, if you finished a semester you're still considered an alum even if you don't graduate. And when it comes time to cast shows, we'll normally open our auditions to the community at large in order to get males for the necessary roles. It's taken some work as far as picking our seasons, but it's worked well this year (where I'm a shoe-in for "Best Actor, male" cuz two outta three shows are all-women casts and I was the only male for Kindertransport...). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701080715g13f595f8q7591944bd306573b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:15:40 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Trap door hinges In-Reply-To: References: >>>> I'm designing some small trap doors (1'x1' and 2'x1') that sit flush with > the stage, open downward, and are operated from below. Does anyone have > recommendations on hinges for such a configuration? I don't want any hinges > visible on the stage floor. (In addition, these small traps will need to be > walk-on-able, when they're shut. A secure latching mechanism will be > needed, if anyone has suggestions on that, as well.)<<<< Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but if the doors will be opening in(down) could you not get away with just using butts, or straps (or similar) since the bulk would be below deck? Also, not knowing your circumstances, or the context/usage of said traps (but I'll take a shot in the dark nonetheless), for a secure latch, are coffin-locks an option, along with something else (assuming you're going to pull open the traps)? -SS TTS-EKU "I once prayed to god for a bike, but quickly found out he didn't work that way...so I stole a bike and prayed for his forgiveness" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1808.205.215.253.4.1168269525.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 07:18:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Trap door hinges From: "Bill Nelson" > I'm designing some small trap doors (1'x1' and 2'x1') that sit flush with > the stage, open downward, and are operated from below. Does anyone have > recommendations on hinges for such a configuration? I don't want any hinges > visible on the stage floor. (In addition, these small traps will need to be > walk-on-able, when they're shut. A secure latching mechanism will be > needed, if anyone has suggestions on that, as well.) The safest would probably be large strap hinges that are through bolted. You need more than just "walk-on-able". You need something that will stand up to a heavy person jumping up an down on them. You will probably have to bevel the edge on the side away from the hinges to keep the trap from binding as it starts to open - or leave a fairly large gap on that side. Latches are more problematic. Hopefully someone else will have some suggestions. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: Express Info Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:33:12 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "David Fox" >Anybody have an estimate of how many ETC Express series boards >are in use around the world ? Dave Fox [at] ETC ???? Dan had emailed me about this privately and I had not yet had a chance to reply. We previewed the Express at LDI 97. To date we have sold well over 10,000 world wide. David Fox Electronic Theatre Controls Technical Support Manager Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 Direct 608-824-5056=20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Scrollers Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c7333a$eb7a0270$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > According to the Apollo web site, the Apollo Smart Scroller > is compatable with the Chroma Q supply. They're both ForeRunner-compatible. For about $60, you can rig a power supply that will handle up to 2 units. All you need is a 24VDC 45W power supply, a male 5-pin XLR, and a female 4-pin XLR. This is the same thing Apollo uses for their economy power supply (except they charge about $100 for it). I've used it on Chroma-Q, ForeRunner, and Rainbow scrollers, as well as on City Theatrical's DMX iris. A heads-up, though: none of the above is compatible with Wybron's ColorRam scrollers. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701080738h7a2f0a81hb98f4e59b101fa2f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:38:42 -0500 From: SS Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! In-Reply-To: References:

>>>Additionally, I have seen campuses where the various areas do not like to share the students. I think this only hurts the student in the long run. I find it most beneficial when there is some sort of connection that all on campus production areas have, this could be a formal or informal relationship.<<< I couldn't agree more!! It is disheartening to see impressionable kids (who pay for a well-rounded education, and try to make careers upon graduation) get swayed because of ignorant, close-minded educators. It's a crying shame when folks with PhD's, who are supposed to be intelligent, and who are paid to meld the minds of the young, teach responsibility, yada yada put forth a negative by failing to do so. Unfortunately, it happens all to often. As to avoid "rant mode" I'll just leave it at that. -SS TTS-EKU "I once prayed to god for a bike, but quickly found out he didn't work that way...so I stole a bike and prayed for his forgiveness" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:12:45 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Clive Mitchell wrote: > I do actually have a gun, but for legal reasons it's kept locked in > an armourers safe far away from me. :) Uh, Clive, in that case you most assuredly do _not_ have a gun, the armourer does. "You just stop bludgeoning my family while I run down to the armourer's..." is not "having a gun". -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A26718.8080709 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:45:28 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... References:

In-Reply-To: Greg Williams wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Clive Mitchell wrote: > >> I do actually have a gun, but for legal reasons it's kept locked in >> an armourers safe far away from me. :) > > > Uh, Clive, in that case you most assuredly do _not_ have a gun, the > armourer does. "You just stop bludgeoning my family while I run down to > the armourer's..." is not "having a gun". I think we all feel safer for Clive's having to convince the armourer to let him use the gun. Steve l. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:20:56 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: FUBAR In-reply-to: Message-id: <47BCC8D1-859C-4D66-85D2-0BECDEF9005E [at] interstellar.com> References: On Jan 8, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Michael Brubaker wrote: > This from Stanley. Great name for a tool. I need one, just so I > can say, > "Please go and bring me the FUBAR." I see they claim trademark on "Fubar". Interesting, since that's been in use a long time. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Cc: jonares [at] hevanet.com (Jon Ares) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:36:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Trap door hinges Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <45A2029C.5498.D444763 [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: For down opening traps I generally design the section so that there is a portion of the frame that extends past the hinge and sits on structure. A gate that swings into position to secure the latch side is my preferred means of securing these, but I have also used the over center latching clamps. > I'm designing some small trap doors (1'x1' and 2'x1') that sit flush with > the stage, open downward, and are operated from below. Does anyone have Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:42:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > Hawkins accused the school of failing to provide proper training and > instruction to students in the proper use of the saws, failing to > provide supervision for the students using dangerous machinery, and > failing to take reasonable precautions to warn students of the dangers. > The supervision question comes to mind to me as I cannot be in all places all the time. What types of situations constitute proper supervision? Does it have to be the faculty or staff, a paid student worker who has been trained, What do the rest of us do with regards to the supervision? As for the rest of our activities, Have a training program and check sheet and have everyone sign it Provide supervision Let the students know what can happen and what to look for. Even when we do all these things, the students can still sue. Make sure you have documentation on all these things. It will help in court. -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: Kimberly Corbett Reply-To: corbettk2 [at] asme.org Subject: Re: Any Undergraduate Theater Information Appreciated! Message-ID: <969856.75114.qm [at] web52403.mail.yahoo.com> Jenny, I'm going to reiterate the many varied routes that Mitch pointed out. I, too, majored in engineering and minored in theatre at a small liberal arts college. It worked well for me -- since we were a very small department, I was able to work productions often and in a wide variety of roles. We produced four shows a year (two mainstage and two blackbox) and brought in many, many touring artists. After teaching at a college for bit, I went to graduate school for a MFA in technical theatre, focusing on production management and consulting. I was happy to stumble upon that -- consulting has proven to be a fun way to combine my engineering and theatre backgrounds! Because of my background, I'm a big fan of the non-conservatory approach to an undergrad program, although I acknowledge that others will feel differently. I encourage you to find a program that works well for you. As others have mentioned, look for something that gives real production opportunities to its undergraduates and be open to testing new waters. Look at class offerings not only in theatre but in other departments as well. If you're interested in theatre management, you may want to take a look to see what business classes available as a non-major, for example. Talk to as many people as you can and ask yourself if the school is somewhere that you could see yourself being for four years. I'd also encourage you to see as many productions as you can, from plays to rock concerts and everything in between. Seeing what others are doing is an important part of your education too. The college hunt is both a fun and frustrating process. Good luck! Kimberly Corbett Schuler Shook Theatre Planners __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:57:11 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident In-Reply-To: References: I will be very interested in the outcome of this case. At first blush, I question how his "left sleeve" was "pulled into the blade area." This has all the hallmarks of improper usage of the equipment. However, if clothing type and arm/hand positions were not discussed during the tool training (if there was any) then the school could definitely have a problem. Also, I notice that the college only offers a theatre minor. I don't exactly know how this plays into the situation but it seems that it could be a factor, most notably in disposition and attitudes from the students and possibly the faculty. Admittedly, I am reading a bit into this but given our recent discussions on first-aid and liability, this is a timely, albeit unfortunate, accident. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com > From Centre Daily Times > http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/16405823.htm > > > Student sues college over injuries in accident > > Associated Press > > WAYNESBURG, Pa. - A Waynesburg College student sued the school in > federal court, claiming he was disfigured in an accident that happened > while he was working on the set of a play as part of a requirement for > his theater class. > > Steven E. Hawkins was operating a 10-inch compound miter saw in the > school's Performing Arts Center on Feb. 23 when his left sleeve was > pulled into the blade area, according to the lawsuit. > > Hawkins, of Morgantown, W.Va., suffered broken fingers and other serious > injuries to his left hand, the lawsuit states. His left hand and thumb > had to be reattached, but the thumb was subsequently amputated. > > Hawkins and several other students were working on the stage sets and > props for the school's spring musical when the accident happened, the > lawsuit states. > > Hawkins was enrolled in an introductory theater class and was required > by the professor, who was not named in the lawsuit, to accumulate > theater experience outside the classroom, according to the lawsuit. > > Hawkins accused the school of failing to provide proper training and > instruction to students in the proper use of the saws, failing to > provide supervision for the students using dangerous machinery, and > failing to take reasonable precautions to warn students of the dangers. > > Messages left at the school's media relations office Sunday afternoon > were not immediately returned. > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:57:21 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Trap door hinges In-reply-to: Message-id: <6FBE3A0F-11F9-4824-B9D3-AC8C9FAE65D2 [at] interstellar.com> References:

On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Bill Nelson wrote: > The safest would probably be large strap hinges that are through > bolted. > You need more than just "walk-on-able". You need something that > will stand > up to a heavy person jumping up an down on them. You also want a latch that is either fully latched or not at all. It would be a bad thing for the latch to partially engage, leaving the trap looking like it's secure, when stepping on it will pop it open. It would be a real downer. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:02:20 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: FUBAR In-Reply-To: References:

I'm not sure how they can claim trademark on "FUBAR". I better trademark BOHICA and SNAFU before the military gets any smart ideas of claiming them as their own. I think the "trademark" would not hold up under legal scrutiny in an infringement case unless the infringement was in reference to another tool. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2794C.1070108 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:03:08 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident References: In-Reply-To: Also, Posting big signs which say "DO NOT USE THIS EQUIPMENT UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN PROPERLY INSTRUCTED" and "DO NOT USE THIS EQUIPMENT WITHOUT SUPERVISION" Then onus is on the student to determine whether he or she has been instructed or there is supervision. A check box or certificate would be helpful. Also, from a liability standoff is procedure has not been followed and the person gets hurt as soon as they are taken care of medically file charges against the student through the college\university\HS discipline process. The latter is to document that the student did not follow procedure and got hurt as a result. Charlie Philip Johnson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> Hawkins accused the school of failing to provide proper training and >> instruction to students in the proper use of the saws, failing to >> provide supervision for the students using dangerous machinery, and >> failing to take reasonable precautions to warn students of the dangers. >> >> > > The supervision question comes to mind to me as I cannot be in all places > all the time. What types of situations constitute proper supervision? Does > it have to be the faculty or staff, a paid student worker who has been > trained, What do the rest of us do with regards to the supervision? > > As for the rest of our activities, > > Have a training program and check sheet and have everyone sign it > Provide supervision > Let the students know what can happen and what to look for. Even when we do > all these things, the students can still sue. Make sure you have > documentation on all these things. It will help in court. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:06:30 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > I think we all feel safer for Clive's having to convince the > armourer to let him use the gun. Back in my boy scout days my father enquired if we could bring our own gun and ammo to use on the rifle range at camp. The answer was yes. Turned out after I got there I could check the gun out but not the ammo. They felt it was too dangerous to let us have ammo. Of course, we could get ammo at the firing range... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A27C56.8080602 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:16:06 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident References:

In-Reply-To: Charlie Fraser wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Also, Posting big signs which say "DO NOT USE THIS EQUIPMENT UNTIL YOU > HAVE BEEN PROPERLY INSTRUCTED" and "DO NOT USE THIS EQUIPMENT WITHOUT > SUPERVISION" Then onus is on the student to determine whether he or she > has been instructed or there is supervision. A check box or certificate > would be helpful. When I was at Ithaca, the training forms had checkboxes for each tool and required signatures from the trainee and trainer. And the first question I ask during any crew call is "Have you been trained on this tool?" before I explain the rest of the project. Steve L -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: FUBAR Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:07:25 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c73347$783544c0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I'm not sure how they can claim trademark on "FUBAR".=20 The word is trademarked as applied to a multi-use, pry-bar-type tool. = You could market another product, in an unrelated genre, under the same name = and register the trademark, too. This is why there's a cable network called "C-SPAN" and a vitamin called "C-SPAN", and both trademarks are registered. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:26:52 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: FUBAR In-Reply-To: References:

That's what I figured but just wasn't sure. Thanks Jeff. On 1/8/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'm not sure how they can claim trademark on "FUBAR". > > The word is trademarked as applied to a multi-use, pry-bar-type tool. You > could market another product, in an unrelated genre, under the same name and > register the trademark, too. > > This is why there's a cable network called "C-SPAN" and a vitamin called > "C-SPAN", and both trademarks are registered. > > -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:37:55 GMT Subject: Re: FUBAR Message-Id: <20070108.093809.15735.990782 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> You could also release a movie about battles between movie stars to = get invited to appear on the late night talk shows and call it STAR = WARS without violating federal Copyright laws, which do not protect = names and titles. If you advertised it in a fraudulent matter, you = could be sued for Unfair Competition under State law and False = Advertising under federal law. You could also be sued for Trademark = infringement if you used logo or title graphics that were confusingly = similar to those used in the films produced by George Lucas at ILM. /s/ Richard ______________________ > I'm not sure how they can claim trademark on "FUBAR". = The word is trademarked as applied to a multi-use, pry-bar-type = tool. You could market another product, in an unrelated genre, under = the same name and register the trademark, too. This is why there's a cable network called "C-SPAN" and a vitamin = called "C-SPAN", and both trademarks are registered. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: FUBAR Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c7334c$49588ea0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > You could also release a movie about battles between movie stars to > get invited to appear on the late night talk shows and call it STAR > WARS without violating federal Copyright laws, I've long wanted to make a movie about the infighting in a ballet company, so I could call it "Barre Warres" ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:32:03 -0500 From: "Kurt Cypher" Subject: Re: Herrick's pledge In-Reply-To: References: <20972079.1168061571250.JavaMail.root [at] m41> On 1/6/07, Herrick Goldman wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Kurt, > > You've missed the point of the debate. You seem to think I use HTML in my > posts and you are scolding me. I was bringing it up because a newbie > accidentally sent HTML and got spanked. > Sorry if it came across that way. I realize that you don't use HTML, and I was just trying to explain to folks some reasons why HTML in email, in practice, doesn't work as great as it does in theory. > Don't quote to me the rules that I already follow. I'm trying to get us > thinking about changing the rules. Again, it wasn't necessarily directed at you, but at folks in general. I meant to add a statement that if enough people felt the rules regarding HTML in emails were outdated, they should bring it up to the powers-that-be, and they can take it under consideration. > Have a nice day. :) > You too. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: FUBAR In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Jan 8, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > I've long wanted to make a movie about the infighting in a ballet > company, > so I could call it "Barre Warres" That was too, too funny. -=Greg=- www.LRLR.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:34:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: FUBAR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > I've long wanted to make a movie about the infighting in a ballet company, > so I could call it "Barre Warres" Go for it! C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Stephens College (eek a man) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <321192.66194.qm [at] web50610.mail.yahoo.com> >>Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of an all-womens' college, Brian?<< I added an "A" to the end of my first name, shaved my legs and put curlers in my hair for a few years. I was not pretty, but I did fit in well with the more....umm...butch student body.... Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:20:55 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: cheap CF lamps Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108111802.01eca198 [at] interstellar.com> For California readers only: I was just at Costco and they're running a special with our power company PG&E (Pacific Graft & Extortion), a box of four 9W CF globe lights like you use in a bathroom for $2.52. The power company is picking up the tab for the balance of the cost of the lights. I didn't see a limit, I got 5 boxes. I don't know if this is in every store or how long it will last, I found them in the Alamaden Costco. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:32:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8937792.1168283187629.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Ewwwwww...... On 1/8/07 2:05 PM, "b Ricie" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of > an all-womens' > college, Brian?<< > > I added an "A" to the end of my first name, shaved my > legs and put curlers in my hair for a few years. I was > not pretty, but I did fit in well with the > more....umm...butch student body.... > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:39:39 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108113543.01f4cf98 [at] interstellar.com> References: <8937792.1168283187629.JavaMail.root [at] m41> At 11:32 AM 1/8/2007, Herrick Goldman wrote: >Ewwwwww...... I was working back stage at a transgender show my wife directed. I had some duties out in the house before the show so I had to change into a suit. I used the main dressing room and while we were all changing one shouted "Eeeek, there's a man in the dressing room!". They even offered me a gown so I'd fit in, I turned it down. :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:54:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30030377.1168285628576.JavaMail.root [at] m41> You should try lighting the NYC Gay Men's Chorus at Carnegie Hall. The house staff gets particularly troubled when men in Chaps (and only chaps) want to sit on their nice velour seats. On the flipside the women's room is empty during intermission. -H On 1/8/07 2:39 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:32 AM 1/8/2007, Herrick Goldman wrote: >> Ewwwwww...... > > I was working back stage at a transgender show my wife directed. I > had some duties out in the house before the show so I had to change > into a suit. I used the main dressing room and while we were all > changing one shouted "Eeeek, there's a man in the dressing > room!". They even offered me a gown so I'd fit in, I turned it down. :) > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Stephens College(eek a man) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <918773.31583.qm [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> >>Um, if it's an all-women's college, doesn't that limit them in the type of shows they can put on? -- With much aloha, Jenny Yi<< OK. The real answer to Dave Vick's question is they do admit a few men, they are selective however, and the only way a man is gonna get in is by receiving a full tuition scholarship to one of their programs. When I attended I was 1 of about 12. Yup, I am one of the few and proud men that can say "I am a Stephens Susie." Stephens offers a lot of scholarships but men can only qualify for their technical, performance, or dance programs. Yes, Stephens does understand the need for men in the entertainment industry. Stephens is not limited at all by the shows they can and will produce. They do it all. Casting for main stage shows include the faculty as well as student body. Black box shows are totally student produced. The summer theatre will hire in local professionals as well as faculty. Check out the summer theatre; Okoboji Summer Theatre, in Okoboji Iowa. 2007 will be its 50th anniversary. In my time at Stephens there was never a need to use cross dressers to fill out a cast. I did however wind up on stage from time to time. The Best part of Stephens is you will do it all. You will learn to do makeup, you will be on stage, you will stage manage, you will be in the shop, you will be an usher, you will work box office, you will be in the costume shop, you will take part in their summer institute, as well as be a player at their summer theatre. As a man I received an added bonus education in...well let's just say woman's studies. Stephens also produces people who work in the industry. Dustin Hoffman was kicked out fer being a slut. I understand at one point George C. Scott graced the stage at Stephens. Annie Potts is a product of Stephens, as is my fellow class mate Elizabeth Mitchell. The list goes on and on. Just about every time I turn on the boob tube I see someone I have worked with or met at Stephens College. Stephens is still a nice little all woman's finishing school and I can not say enough good about it. The intimate size of the programs, work to it's advantage. No one at Stephens is a number, you are a valuable member of the production team while your there. When ya leave Stephens, the alum association will follow ya. Just the other day I received my 8 page bi-annual newsletter keeping me up to date on what all the other "susies" are doing. I often get together with my college "buds", a situation I never mind being a minority in. Any other questions, please feel free to ask. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:59:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Herrick Goldman wrote: > On the flipside the women's room is empty during intermission. Always a huge relief! C ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:00:44 -0500 Accept for when the cross dressers and trans come in. Then you do a double check to make sure that you actually went in the correct restroon. Susan Nicholson From: Herrick Goldman Reply-To: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:54:54 -0500 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- You should try lighting the NYC Gay Men's Chorus at Carnegie Hall. The house staff gets particularly troubled when men in Chaps (and only chaps) want to sit on their nice velour seats. On the flipside the women's room is empty during intermission. -H On 1/8/07 2:39 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:32 AM 1/8/2007, Herrick Goldman wrote: >> Ewwwwww...... > > I was working back stage at a transgender show my wife directed. I > had some duties out in the house before the show so I had to change > into a suit. I used the main dressing room and while we were all > changing one shouted "Eeeek, there's a man in the dressing > room!". They even offered me a gown so I'd fit in, I turned it down. :) > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS _________________________________________________________________ Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. �Who will win? http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: realistic dock planking Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:03:05 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF39 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" As an update, I am considering the use of stressed skin platforms for = this project, with each 1'x4'x3" "plank" being it's own platform. I = made a prototype yesterday, works like a charm - now I just need to = decide if I want to make ~99 more... 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Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:09:02 -0500 On 08 Jan, 2007, at 14:39 , Jerry Durand wrote: > I was working back stage at a transgender show my wife directed. I > had some duties out in the house before the show so I had to change > into a suit. I used the main dressing room and while we were all > changing one shouted "Eeeek, there's a man in the dressing room!". > They even offered me a gown so I'd fit in, I turned it down. :) In the road house I used to work in, the only path from FOH to backstage involved traveling through one of the women's restrooms. I never did forgive the architect for that one. Always got weird looks preshow and intermission when I would make the journey. A few of the regular subscribers eventually understood our plight, and laughed with us as we tried [some times in vain] to get through the throngs of women and to convince them that we really were supposed to be doing what we were doing. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0701081310h4e0657f1nbbadd62440f38f36 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:10:53 -0800 From: "Paul Puppo" Subject: Re: Express Info In-Reply-To: References:

Here's a question, do exported boards "speak" foreign languages, or are they all English? Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 1/8/07, David Fox wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Anybody have an estimate of how many ETC Express series boards > >are in use around the world ? Dave Fox [at] ETC ???? > > Dan had emailed me about this privately and I had not yet had a chance > to reply. We previewed the Express at LDI 97. To date we have sold well > over 10,000 world wide. > > > David Fox > Electronic Theatre Controls > Technical Support Manager > Direct Toll Free 888-908-2193 > Direct 608-824-5056 > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6AA5D7DC-0E62-45E7-9CBC-3CBD53790329 [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: Pyle &/or Veam 12 circ. Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:30:49 -0500 The story you are about to be told is true. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. A certain theatre HERE in the sleazy underbelly of NYC has just taken delivery of a shiny new 96 rack made by a well-known manufacturer of dimmers, consoles, lights, etc. Back in 1993 when we built the place, KEC & I put in a pile of used touring gaack, notably 12-circuit mult for circuitry, which we could get cheaply since all the aching backs in the biz were switching over to 6 circ soco style mult. These we plugged directly into the rack, which was a sturdy old LMI RD-2400/96 with 16 12-circ. outputs, only 48 pin outs, and a patch bay that catches fire when not handled delicately by experienced technicians. Anyway, the theatre (like so many others) having found that it is easier to get a grant to buy new stuff than raise money to pay for experienced technicians, also wanting to save on fire extinguisher refills, ordered the new rack with 12 circ. outputs so they do not have to replace all the circuitry, which is holding up fine. Needless to say, what rolled in 2 days ago was a shiny new rack with, duh, 6 circ. socopex-type outs. While manufacturer & dealer point fingers back & forth, it is our problem to get new guy online ASAP. SO TO THE POINT... Anyone got any 12 circuit female connectors lying about? Or old mults / break-ins we could butcher? The plan is to build some Pyle Female to Soco Male adaptors, if you follow. Pyle National says that they still make them, and price them close to their weight in gold. The grant money having all gone to Wisconsin (oops!), we are looking for used. We've already checked websites of or called directly all the usual suspects (like the people on Steve Haworths's handy list) with no positive results yet. Please contact me or Kyle off list with any leads. Of course, I fully expect a well-deserved pyle of abuse ON the list for even being involved in such a project. Thanks BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com / kyle [at] tany.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Stephens College (eek a man) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c7336d$24eafbe0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: I'm finding this thread fascinating, since, for a brief time, I taught at the Stephens College theatre department. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:47:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stephens College(eek a man) At 11:58 AM -0800 1/8/07, b Ricie wrote: >OK. The real answer to Dave Vick's question is they do >admit a few men, they are selective however, and the >only way a man is gonna get in is by receiving a full >tuition scholarship to one of their programs. When I >attended I was 1 of about 12. Yup, I am one of the few >and proud men that can say "I am a Stephens Susie." Fair enough. My wife is a Phi Mu Alpha "brother," from her time at Alma College. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2BC41.40200 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:48:49 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Express Info References:

In-Reply-To: Paul Puppo wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here's a question, do exported boards "speak" foreign languages, or > are they all English? Rumour has it the Emphasis line can "speak" pig latin. More seriously, the Strand 300/500 line comes with 7(?) options for display language. Nifty, until the sqweeks leave a set of cans sitting on the keyboard and manage to change the display language to Russian. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:48:54 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) At 11:05 AM -0800 1/8/07, b Ricie wrote: >>>Just curious, but how is it that you're an alum of >an all-womens' >college, Brian?<< > >I added an "A" to the end of my first name, shaved my >legs and put curlers in my hair for a few years. I was >not pretty, but I did fit in well with the >more....umm...butch student body.... You wore comfortable shoes? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:51:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Stephens College (eek a man) From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey, me too! I taught there from 98-01. How about you? Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 1/8/07 4:37 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm finding this thread fascinating, since, for a brief time, I taught at > the Stephens College theatre department. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070108215536.74769.qmail [at] web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Express Info In-Reply-To: --- Stephen Litterst wrote: > More seriously, the Strand 300/500 line comes with > 7(?) options for > display language. Nifty, until the sqweeks leave a > set of cans sitting > on the keyboard and manage to change the display > language to Russian. What's wrong with Russian? It's not too difficult of a language to learn to read! :) And yes I can read it, though it takes me a while. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:56:53 GMT Subject: Re: FUBAR Message-Id: <20070108.135703.15735.992489 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Stylistically closer to The Turning Point, The Red Shoes, or = Showgirls? /s/ Richard ______________________ On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > I've long wanted to make a movie about the infighting in a ballet = company, so I could call it "Barre Warres" _______________ Go for it! C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2BE9C.5020803 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:58:52 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Stephens College(eek a man) References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 11:58 AM -0800 1/8/07, b Ricie wrote: > >> OK. The real answer to Dave Vick's question is they do >> admit a few men, they are selective however, and the >> only way a man is gonna get in is by receiving a full >> tuition scholarship to one of their programs. When I >> attended I was 1 of about 12. Yup, I am one of the few >> and proud men that can say "I am a Stephens Susie." > > > > Fair enough. My wife is a Phi Mu Alpha "brother," from her time at Alma > College. Wow, Sinfonians are everywhere! Steve L. Xi Mu, '94 -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:01:59 EST Subject: Re: Stephens College(eek a man) litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: << > Fair enough. My wife is a Phi Mu Alpha "brother," from her time at Alma College. Wow, Sinfonians are everywhere! >> SAI here!!! Sinfonia doesn't allow women college-age members in WI. SAI has many male "honorary" or "Friends of the Arts" members. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2BFB6.6060501 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:03:34 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Express Info References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > --- Stephen Litterst > wrote: > >>More seriously, the Strand 300/500 line comes with >>7(?) options for >>display language. Nifty, until the sqweeks leave a >>set of cans sitting >>on the keyboard and manage to change the display >>language to Russian. > > > What's wrong with Russian? It's not too difficult of a > language to learn to read! :) > And yes I can read it, though it takes me a while. Nothing's wrong with it. I love the Russian people, their culture, and their alcohol. However, their alphabet is different enough that it makes programming a console a tad difficult. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: FUBAR Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c73371$3c331450$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Stylistically closer to The Turning Point, The Red Shoes, or > Showgirls? More like "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon". ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2D480.40703 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:32:16 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident References: In-Reply-To: Reminds me of my college days. It was the policy that before you could use the power tools in the shop you had to be checked out by a member of the paid tech staff, mainly work study types. Of course the only one around when I needed to use a table saw early one semester, was a work study actress who was cute, but her tech skill were....she was cute. I asked to be checked out on the saw and after I got over being amused by the dear in headlights look and an "I don't know" , I proceeded to give her the 30 second version of the safety script followed with "May I use the saw now?" She said yes and went away but this was 30 years ago before the lawyers took over the world. This was also a time when you had shop classes in 8th grade where you learned to work with lathes, power tools and all kinds of dangerous and wonderful things that I still use 35 years latter. Rick I wrote: > From Centre Daily Times > http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/16405823.htm > > Hawkins accused the school of failing to provide proper training and > instruction to students in the proper use of the saws, failing to > provide supervision for the students using dangerous machinery, and > failing to take reasonable precautions to warn students of the dangers. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:32:14 EST Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question In a message dated 08/01/07 20:47:57 GMT Standard Time, cueonego [at] gmail.com writes: > Anyone out there have any good suggestions/recommendations on > companies in the Lexington/Cincinnati/Louisville/Knoxville area that > might handle sales and installs of sound gear. Head to toe from > console, to monitors, to mics. The whole shebang!! > > Any info is good info. From the UK, I can offer no answer to the direct question. But as I sound guy from way back, I proffer some advice. First, write an exact specification of what you want the gear to be capable of doing. Get it checked out by the users. This isn't easy, especially when all the users have conflicting requirements. Nevertheless, persevere. When, and only when you have this, approach possible suppliers. Do not, repeat NOT tell them what equipment to supply, just the budget. They know the available equipment far better than you do. Of course, they will not be able to supply and install exactly what you want, so it is compromise time. See what they suggest, and go back to the users again, this time with definite proposals. If and when you reach some sort of agreement, make sure that the system is sufficiently flexible to handle all the facilities requested, but not installed. Big patch panels, for instance. Lots of wiring: more tie-lines than you might think. When the proposal becomes concrete, you may considr the reputations of the prime suppliers. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16L0ysGiRtoFFwbo [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:31:46 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Greg Williams writes >Uh, Clive, in that case you most assuredly do _not_ have a gun, the >armourer does. "You just stop bludgeoning my family while I run down >to the armourer's..." is not "having a gun". Yeah, but it's MUCH closer than the average Brit gets. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A2EC7B.9040807 [at] fieldmousepro.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:14:35 -0600 From: Stephen Lee Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question References: In-Reply-To: SS wrote: > Anyone out there have any good suggestions/recommendations on > companies in the Lexington/Cincinnati/Louisville/Knoxville area that > might handle sales and installs of sound gear. Head to toe from > console, to monitors, to mics. The whole shebang!! I don't know of any companies in that area, but there are a couple of audio shops here in the Nashville area that do installs all over the east. Clair Brothers http://www.clair-audio.com While the larger shop is in PA, they have an install division in Nashville. I've personally worked with these guys & know the quality. They tend to prefer their own brand of speakers, which aren't half bad. CTS Audio http://ctsaudio.com I haven't worked with these guys before, and they're the only other company in Nashville (to my knowledge) that has a dedicated installation team. -- Stephen Lee Fieldmouse Productions Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:16:39 -0500 Subject: ETCP [at] USITT From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi folks. Putting my ETCP Council hat on for just a moment, I've been asked to send this press release to y'all..... < ETCP NEWS: USITT Application Deadline February 1, 2007. The ETCP Council announces the electrical, arena rigging, and theatre rigging examinations will be offered at the USITT Conference and Stage Expo on March 17, 2007 in Phoenix, AZ. Those who pass these rigorous tests will become ETCP Certified - and will be recognized as the industry's best. Employers have already begun seeing the benefits of ETCP Certification in reduced insurance rates as well as attaining more work because their services are being performed by certified personnel. If you would like to take the arena rigging, theatre rigging, or electrical examination at USITT, submit your completed application, including all supporting documents and fee, postmarked on or before February 1, 2007. If you would like more information or would like eligibility requirements or applications sent to you, please contact Cathy Amos, ETCP Certification Coordinator, at certification [at] esta.org or 212-244-1505. Complete information is also available on the ETCP website: http://etcp.esta.org. > I should also point out that Katie Geraghty, that certification manager that we all came to know and love, has moved on to another job. She is replaced by Cathy Amos who will be thrilled to answer all of your questions. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:35:24 -0600 Subject: Atman 3.5 Q Question From: Robert Graham Message-ID: I've just started working at a new employer, and some of our inventory is older Altman 3.5x12 Q instruments, and they are behaving in an odd manner. The instruments project a good beam, then a fairly dark ring around them, which almost looks like a gobo, without the gobo slot being filled, and then a "hazy" ring of light around that, which almost looks like there's something odd going on, and that part of the normal field is being blocked out. Imagine a "donut" of darkness inside the normal field. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? I've checked all the spill rings, the gobo slot, and the gate for obstructions, and haven't seen anything that could be causing it. I have several instruments behaving this way consistently. -Robert Graham NSU Theatre Lighting Designer/Facility Manager ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2760.205.215.253.4.1168310379.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:39:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question From: "Bill Nelson" > The instruments project a good beam, then a fairly dark ring around them, > which almost looks like a gobo, without the gobo slot being filled, and > then > a "hazy" ring of light around that, which almost looks like there's > something odd going on, and that part of the normal field is being blocked > out. Imagine a "donut" of darkness inside the normal field. It sounds like the lamp focus is way off - or the wrong lamps are installed in the fixture. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A3024B.7010108 [at] fieldmousepro.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:47:39 -0600 From: Stephen Lee Subject: Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question References: In-Reply-To: Robert Graham wrote: > I've just started working at a new employer, and some of our > inventory is older Altman 3.5x12 Q instruments, and they are behaving > in an odd manner. Other than what you've already looked at, make sure they have the correct lamps in them, and check that the lamp optimization hasn't been thrown out of whack. If memory serves, the 2 lenses could also be removed & flipped around in the lens barrel. I can't remember what the correct orientation is, though... -- Stephen Lee Fieldmouse Productions Nashville, TN ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A30701.4050103 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:07:45 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Smelly rooms? References: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I wonder what venue are they planning this for. I hope they know the > venue will smell of this for a LONG time after they turn the system off. > >> A system is needed capable of filling a large space with the >> fragrance from >> a liquid, using only the distributing power available from the >> ambient air >> temperature, humidity, and circulation. The fragrance should start >> strong, >> and stay strong over an extended period of at least 30 days. The liquid- >> fragrance dispensing system must have high linearity -- a steady >> dispersion >> during the life of the product. >> To respond to this Tech Need visit: >> http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20070104A4 > > Sounds like a venue that is not going to get much repeat business. As for the device, how about an old fashioned kerosene wick lamp. Fill with the smelly stuff, turn up the wick to the desired intensity, and park it next to an air vent. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A30877.10107 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:13:59 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Boston area used electronics References: In-Reply-To: dansldme [at] comcast.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all > > Looking for a source near Boston MA USA > for used general purpose electronics gear > (not specifically lights or sound); want to pick up > a half height 19" rack and an oscilloscope. > > Thanks > > Dan Sheehan > > > > Storefronts, none that I know of offhand. Keep an eye on craigslist. IN the summertime, there is the MIT flea market. It's the second or third sunday of the warm weather months. All kinds of weird old junk turns up there. There are a couple of used computer companies around. I dealt with one a couple years ago when I needed to get an EGA monitor for an old lighting board. Many of the used electronics places have turned into web only stores. Storefronts attract all sorts of hassles that a web business doesn't have to deal with. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A30D26.3000800 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:33:58 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: FUBAR References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > >> You could also release a movie about battles between movie stars to >> get invited to appear on the late night talk shows and call it STAR >> WARS without violating federal Copyright laws, >> > > I've long wanted to make a movie about the infighting in a ballet company, > so I could call it "Barre Warres" > > > > > Many years ago, in a cartoonists APA (Amataur Press Association. What we used before web sites to share written material.) One of the cartoonists took a visual poke at one of the other cartoonist's characters. The second cartoonist (whose name was Barr) took a return shot the following month, and thus was sparked the 'Barr Wars'. It lasted a couple of years, and produced some highly amusing artwork. I wish I still had some of those APAzines still, now that I'm reminded of them. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:52:04 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... At 11:31 PM +0000 1/8/07, Clive Mitchell wrote: >>Uh, Clive, in that case you most assuredly do _not_ have a gun, >>the armourer does. "You just stop bludgeoning my family while I >>run down to the armourer's..." is not "having a gun". > >Yeah, but it's MUCH closer than the average Brit gets. So are you above average or below average? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Martinis are like breasts... One isn't enough and three are too many." -- Mike Sachs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:04:41 -0500 Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <31130923.1168315098518.JavaMail.root [at] m41> But four are just right if you can handle that many. (was that too much?) did I go too far? Remember Stagecraft drink night 1/22...we'll se how many it takes. On 1/8/07 10:52 PM, "Rigger" wrote: > -- > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net > 20/20 Design > > "Martinis are like breasts... One isn't enough and three are too many." > > -- Mike Sachs > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Bell Subject: stacking truss on spansets Message-ID: <295368.32128.qm [at] web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So.... what can be done about this. How can this unsafe practice be stopped and what happens when I say no we won't hang this show with unsafe equipment. I've been rigging for near 20 years in Binghamton and the Northeast and I sure don't want sued now over someones stupidity. Robert BuffoBob Bell I'd like the lists opinion on a practice I personally feel is unsafe but have been seeing more and more. My concern involves leaving spansets used for rigging points on the truss and stacking truss so the spansets are pinched between the trusses for the trip to the next gig. Can this be damaging the core of the spanset as the trailer goes over the road? My fear is that any damage to the spansets core will be hidden by the sheath until to late. Your fears are correct. The practice is simply the result of laziness. Lazy riggers are bad riggers. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1080 ******************************