Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41039911; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:02:08 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41039910; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:02:07 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1082 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:01:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1082 1. Re: stacking truss on spansets by Bill Sapsis 2. Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question by "Frank E. Merrill" 3. Re: realistic dock planking by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 4. New questions by "Wyatt, Elizabeth" 5. Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: New questions by Stephen Litterst 7. Re: New questions by Herrick Goldman 8. Re: New questions by "Paul Schreiner" 9. Re: New questions by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 10. Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question by Robert Graham 11. Rosco by "Maurice Moe Conn" 12. Re: Rosco by Herrick Goldman 13. Re: Rosco by "Maurice Moe Conn" 14. Re: realistic dock planking by 15. a little off-topic appeal to your generosity by 16. Re: New questions by John McKernon 17. Re: New questions by Steve Shelley 18. Re: New questions by Charlie Richmond 19. Re: New questions by KEITH ARSENAULT 20. Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 21. Re: New questions by "RD" 22. Re: New questions by "RD" 23. Re: ETCP [at] USITT by "RD" 24. Masonite issues... by "Will Leonard" 25. Re: New questions by "Don Taco" 26. Re: ETCP [at] USITT by Bill Sapsis 27. Re: New questions by "LES LIND" 28. Re: Subject: Trap door hinges by "B.H. Ackler" 29. Re: ETCP [at] USITT by "RD" 30. Vacuform tile roof? by "Storms, Randy" 31. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Susan Nicholson" 32. Re: Masonite issues... by "Paul Schreiner" 33. Re: ETCP [at] USITT by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 34. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Peter Scheu" 35. Re: Masonite issues... by Andy Champ-Doran 36. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Charlie Richmond 37. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Delbert Hall" 38. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Michael Brubaker" 39. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Stephen Litterst 40. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Bill Sapsis 41. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Jerry Durand 42. Re: New questions by "Bill Nelson" 43. K-12 explained ... I hope :) by John Arrowsmith 44. Re: K-12 explained ... I hope :) by Charlie Richmond 45. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Greg Williams 46. Re: Vacuform tile roof? by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 47. Re: Vacuform tile roof? by Rigger 48. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by Rigger 49. Re: realistic dock planking by "Storms, Randy" 50. Re: realistic dock planking by "Brian Munroe" 51. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Delbert Hall" 52. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Delbert Hall" 53. Big Apple Circus - information request by "Michael Finney" 54. Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... by Clive Mitchell 55. For those of you with some spare time on your hands by Herrick Goldman 56. Re: Big Apple Circus - information request by Dale Farmer 57. Re: New questions by "RD" 58. Re: Vacuform tile roof? by "RD" 59. EDMX protocol by "Kent Laue" 60. Nicopress question by "Joel Harari" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:17:48 -0500 Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/9/07 12:39 AM, "Rigger" wrote: > You could lay a piece of 2x4 between the truss sections prior to > stacking them. That'd keep the Spansets from getting smooshed, while > not adding all that much extra height to the stack of truss sections > (provided you're not already stacking it stupid-high). > > Food for thought... Laying in the 2 X 4 reduces the amount of surface area on the truss that is taking weight in the truck. I'd rather have the entire length of truss contacting the one above/below it to spread the forces out when I ratchet strap the stack together. Leaving the roundslings on is not only a bad habit but also not approved. According to OSHA... 1926.251(a)(6) "Inspections." Each day before being used, the sling and all fastenings and attachments shall be inspected for damage or defects by a competent person designated by the employer. Additional inspections shall be performed during sling use, where service conditions warrant. Damaged or defective slings shall be immediately removed from service. It's awfully hard to inspect a sling if it's wrapped around a truss cord. I maintain that leaving the sling on the truss is a bad habit and bad habits are a bad idea when it comes to rigging. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:50:58 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <161160734.20070109095058 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, January 8, 2007, Robert Graham wrote: > The instruments project a good beam, then a fairly dark ring around > them, which almost looks like a gobo, without the gobo slot being > filled, and then a "hazy" ring of light around that My first reaction was that the installed lamp bulb is too short and the dark ring in the light field is caused by the end of the glass envelope being in the focal point of the reflector instead of the center of the filament, but if I correctly recall, the only lamp usable in the 3.5Q series was the EHD/EHG two-pin lamp and, leaning harder upon my rapidly diminishing memory, I believe there were no other lamp bulbs of that style that had LCL and MOL dimensions different from the EHD (Where's my pink Sylvania book?) Another possibility is that the lamp base is drawn much too far out of the lamp housing, resulting in a lamp bulb that is too "short" for the surrounding reflector. Try loosening the center pivot screw on the lamb base and subsequently tightening the three positioning screws in the interest of pushing the lamp bulb farther into the instrument. My next thought is that there is a problem in the lenses. (The liklihood of a lens problem is directly proportional to the mix of focal lengths in the instrument inventory.) If a lens of too-short focal length were in the optical path, the light beam would be spread so wide that a significant part of the beam would miss the next lens entirely but be smeared all over the inside of the lens tube between the lenses, producing the dark ring. Some of the light would be reflected by the inside of the lens tube enough to be gathered by the second lens, but the haphazard nature of that poorly reflected light would result in a very uninspiring light...the hazy ring outside the dark circle. Check the lens tubes to verify that the flat side of both lenses are facing away from each other. An easy way to check for a goofy lens in a lens tube is to take ONE tube apart and verify that the proper lenses are properly installed, and then with the tube properly reassembled, find a light colored blank wall somewhere with a windo on the other side of the room. Face the blank wall and hold the lens tube near the wall in such way that the image of the window behind you is appropriately focused on the blank wall in front of you. With your third hand, hold a yardstick against the wall and measure the distance to a prominent plane on the lens tube. Keeping that measurement in mind, it is simple to measure other lens tubes. If the focus distance is significantly different for a mystery tube, expect to find that and incorrect lens or lens orientation lurks inside. Or it might be that your instruments have been infested with Camborean Lumen Gobblers that have simply eaten part of the light beam.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <28044118.1168354696140.JavaMail.? [at] fh056.dia.cp.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:58:16 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: RE: realistic dock planking <> I wouldn't even need to decide to build the first one. Seems to me this would be one of the more expensive techniques, in terms of time, materials, simplicity, and mental anguish, to do this project. There must be some intrinsically important part of the design problem that has not been discussd that is leading to even considering this solution. Of course a "stressed skin" platform 1'x3"x4' will work... (not as well as solid wood in my opinion. Too much work to deal with aging the ends and splitting the planks where wanted... heck, it's just a too unneccessarily compicated way to make simple planks... and then there is the sound.) but why go to all that trouble? In the business world of scenery, there had better be a real important reason to expend those resources. Seems not unlike the idea broached that we should build parallels for all the custom platforms in a one shot show. Laters, Paul "I read you paper again, and you stil got a 'D'" remarked Tom. ------------------------------ Subject: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:04:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1A87029E308B1B45BAED2E635A2C9D4A015D6B27 [at] mail.CSD509J.NET> In-Reply-To: From: "Wyatt, Elizabeth" 'Lo all! Been lurking for a while. The Chase: New Theater Manager of two High School Theaters in my district. One brand new, one renovated. It's a great job. Questions: Fire Marshall wants "striping" on the proscenium line (floor) to denote the landing area for the fire curtain (think black & yellow caution tape - eeeeek!). Thought about black gaff or a dark blue stripe instead - thoughts? I've already cursed her, next?=20 Also wants everything "treated" - HELP! What do we use? Okay, I may have brought these on myself with the pile of WOOD in front of the thrust (Spitfire Grill) stopping the fire curtain AND a HUGE pile of combustibles right on the apron... Hey, I was busy wearing forty-two-thousand hats and missed that one... I'm new! Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. =20 Ya'll are funny. Thanks for the support, even though you may not know you are. My best, Elizabeth Wyatt Manager of District Theaters Corvallis School District 509J Direct: 541-750-7990 Fax: 541-750-7989 www.corvallistheaters.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Atman 3.5 Q Question Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:08:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c733ff$fd59b420$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > My next thought is that there is a problem in the lenses. That was my thought, too. Another possibility. I seem to recall (I could certainly be wrong*) that this fixture's gate is riveted to the housing. If the rivets are working loose (this happened a lot with Altman Satellite followspots), light can leak out around the gate, causing exactly the problem described. * No. Really. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A3B139.2080809 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:14:01 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: New questions References: In-Reply-To: Wyatt, Elizabeth wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Fire Marshall wants "striping" on the proscenium line (floor) to denote > the landing area for the fire curtain (think black & yellow caution tape > - eeeeek!). Thought about black gaff or a dark blue stripe instead - > thoughts? Hmmm... The problem here is that the Fire Marshal is the rule maker. At my last theatre, we marked the smoke pocket in the wings, out of sightlines) > Also wants everything "treated" - HELP! What do we use? What do you mean by "everything?" Hopefully your softgoods are all treated and documented (you do have documentation, right?) since your spaces are new/refurbed. Scenery is pretty simple to treat, just add some Flamex or other flame retardant additive to the paint. And make sure to backpaint the scenery with a similarly treated paint. > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is > over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was > thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy > here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. Can you flicker the lights? I've been in several venues where that was the signal for the end of intermission. Or just buy a cheap set of bells/chimes to ring by hand. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:25:07 -0500 Subject: Re: New questions From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <58130.1168355228807.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Compressed air horn? The blue hairs dig it. On 1/9/07 10:04 AM, "Wyatt, Elizabeth" wrote: > > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is > over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was > thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy > here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A071BE0E1 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Fire Marshall wants "striping" on the proscenium line (floor)=20 > to denote the landing area for the fire curtain (think black=20 > & yellow caution tape > - eeeeek!). Thought about black gaff or a dark blue stripe=20 > instead - thoughts? I've already cursed her, next?=20 >=20 > Also wants everything "treated" - HELP! What do we use? >=20 > Okay, I may have brought these on myself with the pile of=20 > WOOD in front of the thrust (Spitfire Grill) stopping the=20 > fire curtain AND a HUGE pile of combustibles right on the=20 > apron... Hey, I was busy wearing forty-two-thousand hats and=20 > missed that one... I'm new! Sounds like your AHJ is trying to teach you a lesson here... The treatment question is easier, as there are a number of fairly economical flame retardants out on the market, such as Roscoflamex P50 (for painted wood) and W40 (for unpainted/unsealed wood). Pretty much any theatrical supplier can help you out on this one. It might behoove you to ask if a reasonable compromise on the striping issue would be to post big signs on either upstage side of the proscenium reminding people to keep the plaster line free of obstructions, since that's what the striping would be anyway...and then make friends with the fire marshal. > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone=20 > intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's,=20 > etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote=20 > kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about=20 > an economical solution..... ba doom cha. Have you lurked long enough to have seen references to the Production Triangle? Y'know, the "good/fast/cheap, pick two (or one, if your initials are CB)" thing? How big is your lobby? Would a hand bell (or, if you wanna be a little more elegant, a Tibetan singing bowl-type bell) work for you? It'd have to be rung by the house manager, but there should be one of those anyway... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c73402$ca450b90$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone > intermission is over When I managed a theatre, I got a large chime that no longer suited the needs of our music department. It worked well and was lots of fun. Fun counts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:30:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Atman 3.5 Q Question From: Robert Graham Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Or it might be that your instruments have been infested with Camborean > Lumen Gobblers that have simply eaten part of the light beam.... Dang. I guess I need to get out the Lumen Gobbler Repellent. Thanks for the info. -RG ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Rosco Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:44:35 +0000 Hey List. Anybody here work for Rosco directly. Please E-mail me off list. Thanks Moe Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.� Get a customized station.� Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:00:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Rosco From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8871406.1168357674732.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Some of them Lurk. Or I have their home numbers and the numbers of their primary care physicians. If they don't get back to you, just out them here and we'll make sure they serve your needs. :) On 1/9/07 10:44 AM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hey List. >=20 > Anybody here work for Rosco directly. Please E-mail me off list. >=20 > Thanks > Moe >=20 >=20 >=20 > Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/o= r > Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song.=A0 Get a customized station.=A0 Try MSN Radio powere= d > by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=3DT002MSN03A07001 >=20 >=20 --=20 Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Rosco Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:11:33 +0000 I figure I will give one of them a chance before I do... Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2006 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org >From: Herrick Goldman >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Rosco >Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:00:28 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Some of them Lurk. Or I have their home numbers and the numbers of their >primary care physicians. If they don't get back to you, just out them here >and we'll make sure they serve your needs. :) > > > >On 1/9/07 10:44 AM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Hey List. > > > > Anybody here work for Rosco directly. Please E-mail me off list. > > > > Thanks > > Moe > > > > > > > > Help support Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation >and/or > > Rider information, Check out: www.lrlr.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Type your favorite song.� Get a customized station.� Try MSN Radio >powered > > by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > > > > >-- >Herrick Goldman >Lighting Designer, NYC >www.HGLightingDesign.com >917-797-3624 >"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in >light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > > _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song.� Get a customized station.� Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7074AA1E-CBDD-4368-9C31-69909078E7C8 [at] dopher.com> Subject: Re: realistic dock planking Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:26:19 -0500 From: Randy Storms wrote: > > As an update, I am considering the use of stressed skin platforms > for = > this project, with each 1'x4'x3" "plank" being it's own platform. I = > made a prototype yesterday, works like a charm - now I just need to = > decide if I want to make ~99 more... Wouldn't 2x12 be cheaper and faster? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2F653E55-38EB-48FA-886B-8BA32C9FCD5E [at] dopher.com> From: Subject: a little off-topic appeal to your generosity Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:26:27 -0500 So this is a little weird posting this here, but I've been encouraged by a few listers to go ahead and post - in the name of charity, you know. Here's the thing: though I do a certain amount of fundraising with the Long Reach Long Riders, I have other causes, too, particularly one that impacts my world very closely. And that's Team Boomer, a branch of the Boomer Esiason Foundation. We raise scholarship funds to award to track-and-field athlete-scholars in high school who have cystic fibrosis. You may be familiar with the kind of competitive athletic scholarship I'm talking about - and this one (actually we're aiming to award a dozen this spring) is no different, except that the applicant must also have cystic fibrosis. This is to encourage those of the young age to take their health in their hands and do the very best they can. Anyway, in order to do this, I'm running the Houston half-marathon this coming weekend, along with my sister, who is also running for Team Boomer. I hope some of you will have the kindness and generosity to support me in this endeavor and sponsor my run. To do so, just click on the ChipIn link on my running blog at http:// xlbrooklyn.blogspot.com Also, anybody living in the Houston area, all of us runners would welcome your support on January 14th in the form of cheering and rooting from the sidewalks. There are marathon and half-marathon routes, so plenty of room to find a place to cheer from. If you setup on the half-marathon route, look for me and my sister in our Team Boomer jerseys. Finally, hope to see many of you at the NY get together. What is that, January 22nd? Looking forward to it. Thanks to all, Cris Dopher Scenic & Lighting Designer LRLR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:45:19 -0500 Subject: Re: New questions From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is > over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was > thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy > here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. At the Stratford Festival in Canada, they have trumpet players play a fanfare. Lovely, but I'm sure those guys don't play for free! At other less-extravagant theatres, I've seen the house manager walking around ringing a large triangle (think cowboy chow-time size). See if your band director has one he can lend you. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:48:53 -0500 Subject: Re: New questions From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Or at the met they used to have folks wandering around with the four-gong devices (think "my dog has fleas"). On 1/9/07 11:45 AM, "John McKernon" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is >> over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was >> thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy >> here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. > > At the Stratford Festival in Canada, they have trumpet players play a > fanfare. Lovely, but I'm sure those guys don't play for free! > > At other less-extravagant theatres, I've seen the house manager walking > around ringing a large triangle (think cowboy chow-time size). See if your > band director has one he can lend you. > > - John > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:58:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: New questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, John McKernon wrote: > At the Stratford Festival in Canada, they have trumpet players play a > fanfare. Lovely, but I'm sure those guys don't play for free! Definitely not. In fact, they are part of the contract that stipulates a minimum number of musicians be assigned to each and every performance, whether they play incidental music for the show or not.... C ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <23C5CF95-68D0-4A63-94DE-74796D26242C [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:16:43 -0500 ditto at the Wagner / Bayreuth Festival, , the trumpeters come to the balcony over looking the lawn and play a fanfare based on a theme / leitmotif from the next act, , , beats the hell out of an assistant house manager walk around with a bell, , , , , On Jan 9, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, John McKernon wrote: > At the Stratford Festival in Canada, they have trumpet players play a > fanfare. Lovely, but I'm sure those guys don't play for free! Definitely not. In fact, they are part of the contract that stipulates a minimum number of musicians be assigned to each and every performance, whether they play incidental music for the show or not.... C Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Subject: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:20:44 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299B84 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" Hi everyone: While everyone out east isn't skiing or freezing, we're suffering major = windstorms (1 a week), ice, snow, and ugly stuff. They haven't said if the weather was directly related to this or not . . = . but you never know: BC Place Stadium, a 60,000 seat football stadium, with a 10 hectare (25 = acre) fiberglass roof supported by air pressure, collapsed on Friday at = noon, after an end panel blew out. The stadium staff then engaged the = "controlled deflation protocol". The stadium is home to the CFL BC Lions (off season), and lots of trade = shows (Landscapers is up next on Jan 21, 22), and the BC Home Show = shortly after that. Further inspection by the company that made the roof revealed 2 other = small panels that need replacing, and smaller tears that could be = patched on site. Of course, more rain and wind and snow are predicted = this week, meaning we could have the world's largest out door swimming = pool collecting on the roof, which is now hanging from the outer rim of = the building. The stadium was built in 1983, for Expo 86, and was at one time (if not = now), the largest inflated stadium roof in the world. The roof has a 25 = year life span (hmmmmmmm). The replacement panels are on the way up = from the US. (I'd hate to make that phone call: I need piece number = xy6s2, umm, now!) Here's to the riggers and clean up crew. Good luck guys. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=3D448f933e-b377-43ba-9c63= -2b5edd334690&k=3D79296 OR go to www.canada.com, and search for BC Place Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: <010a01c73418$8b382340$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: It is quite amazing, to me, the number of theaters, even new ones that have no Emergency Disaster Evacuation Drills, Training or Written and Implemented Plans. Perhaps it is just the ones that I provide risk assessments for??? Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:25 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: New questions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Fire Marshall wants "striping" on the proscenium line (floor) > to denote the landing area for the fire curtain (think black > & yellow caution tape > - eeeeek!). Thought about black gaff or a dark blue stripe > instead - thoughts? I've already cursed her, next? > > Also wants everything "treated" - HELP! What do we use? > > Okay, I may have brought these on myself with the pile of > WOOD in front of the thrust (Spitfire Grill) stopping the > fire curtain AND a HUGE pile of combustibles right on the > apron... Hey, I was busy wearing forty-two-thousand hats and > missed that one... I'm new! Sounds like your AHJ is trying to teach you a lesson here... The treatment question is easier, as there are a number of fairly economical flame retardants out on the market, such as Roscoflamex P50 (for painted wood) and W40 (for unpainted/unsealed wood). Pretty much any theatrical supplier can help you out on this one. It might behoove you to ask if a reasonable compromise on the striping issue would be to post big signs on either upstage side of the proscenium reminding people to keep the plaster line free of obstructions, since that's what the striping would be anyway...and then make friends with the fire marshal. > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone > intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, > etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote > kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about > an economical solution..... ba doom cha. Have you lurked long enough to have seen references to the Production Triangle? Y'know, the "good/fast/cheap, pick two (or one, if your initials are CB)" thing? How big is your lobby? Would a hand bell (or, if you wanna be a little more elegant, a Tibetan singing bowl-type bell) work for you? It'd have to be rung by the house manager, but there should be one of those anyway... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: <010b01c73418$8c707c30$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: My take, very personal, on this is what I write into all the specifications for theater projects: from the back wall to the proscenium arch, if that is the type of theater you have, one foot back from the ends of the battens, I have a scarf in the floor and a Photoluminescent wire place in that scarf. Both wings. I ask that that be done also for the front edge of the stage and edge of the orchestra lift. In this method there is always a bright line that can be seen by crews and performers, but not by the audience. It has been specified in a number of theater projects where I have been a consultant. It works. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:25 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: New questions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Fire Marshall wants "striping" on the proscenium line (floor) > to denote the landing area for the fire curtain (think black > & yellow caution tape > - eeeeek!). Thought about black gaff or a dark blue stripe > instead - thoughts? I've already cursed her, next? > > Also wants everything "treated" - HELP! What do we use? > > Okay, I may have brought these on myself with the pile of > WOOD in front of the thrust (Spitfire Grill) stopping the > fire curtain AND a HUGE pile of combustibles right on the > apron... Hey, I was busy wearing forty-two-thousand hats and > missed that one... I'm new! Sounds like your AHJ is trying to teach you a lesson here... The treatment question is easier, as there are a number of fairly economical flame retardants out on the market, such as Roscoflamex P50 (for painted wood) and W40 (for unpainted/unsealed wood). Pretty much any theatrical supplier can help you out on this one. It might behoove you to ask if a reasonable compromise on the striping issue would be to post big signs on either upstage side of the proscenium reminding people to keep the plaster line free of obstructions, since that's what the striping would be anyway...and then make friends with the fire marshal. > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone > intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, > etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote > kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about > an economical solution..... ba doom cha. Have you lurked long enough to have seen references to the Production Triangle? Y'know, the "good/fast/cheap, pick two (or one, if your initials are CB)" thing? How big is your lobby? Would a hand bell (or, if you wanna be a little more elegant, a Tibetan singing bowl-type bell) work for you? It'd have to be rung by the house manager, but there should be one of those anyway... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: ETCP [at] USITT Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: <010c01c73418$8cae6f90$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I would be interested in seeing the documentation of the individual reduced insurance rates for those who have certification. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:17 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: ETCP [at] USITT For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi folks. Putting my ETCP Council hat on for just a moment, I've been asked to send this press release to y'all..... < ETCP NEWS: USITT Application Deadline February 1, 2007. The ETCP Council announces the electrical, arena rigging, and theatre rigging examinations will be offered at the USITT Conference and Stage Expo on March 17, 2007 in Phoenix, AZ. Those who pass these rigorous tests will become ETCP Certified - and will be recognized as the industry's best. Employers have already begun seeing the benefits of ETCP Certification in reduced insurance rates as well as attaining more work because their services are being performed by certified personnel. If you would like to take the arena rigging, theatre rigging, or electrical examination at USITT, submit your completed application, including all supporting documents and fee, postmarked on or before February 1, 2007. If you would like more information or would like eligibility requirements or applications sent to you, please contact Cathy Amos, ETCP Certification Coordinator, at certification [at] esta.org or 212-244-1505. Complete information is also available on the ETCP website: http://etcp.esta.org. > I should also point out that Katie Geraghty, that certification manager that we all came to know and love, has moved on to another job. She is replaced by Cathy Amos who will be thrilled to answer all of your questions. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Subject: Masonite issues... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:09:33 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Will Leonard" Good morning, I was wondering if anyone else was having problems finding square edged hardboard (formally masonite). All the crap I can find around here is bullnosed, which sucks for flooring. Does anyone have any sources for nice hardboard? In a pickle (but not an electric one), - Will Leonard Assistant Technical Director Alabama Shakespeare Festival O: 334-271-5365 C: 334-294-3714 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03ec01c7341c$55ae8da0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:31:08 -0800 Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha. Elizabeth Wyatt Learn a trick from the rock'n'roll night clubs: padlock and chain your doors shut. If they can't get to the lobby, there's no need to call them back in, right? Oh wait, you have that pesky fire marshall hanging around, don't you? Well, he might not like this approach. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:34 -0500 Subject: Re: ETCP [at] USITT From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/9/07 1:03 PM, "RD" wrote: > I would be interested in seeing the documentation of the individual reduced > insurance rates for those who have certification. Dr. Doom Randy. I do not think it appropriate for me to give out premium information either publicly or privately, but I can tell you that my premiums have decreased by approximately 20% while my coverage has increased. My agent tells me that one of the reasons for the reduction is the fact that I and my staff are certified. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45A39B950200002900003EE7 [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:41:41 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: New questions References:

In-Reply-To: Mr. Doom, would you elaborate more on where and how this "scarf and wire" are placed? It would be useful here at the high school. Les Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> "RD" 1/9/07 1:03 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- My take, very personal, on this is what I write into all the specifications for theater projects: from the back wall to the proscenium arch, if that is the type of theater you have, one foot back from the ends of the battens, I have a scarf in the floor and a Photoluminescent wire place in that scarf. Both wings. I ask that that be done also for the front edge of the stage and edge of the orchestra lift. In this method there is always a bright line that can be seen by crews and performers, but not by the audience. It has been specified in a number of theater projects where I have been a consultant. It works. Dr. doom ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15734333.1168368349825.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: "B.H. Ackler" Reply-To: "B.H. Ackler" Subject: Re: Subject: Trap door hinges From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Trap door hinges Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:35:06 -0800 I'm designing some small trap doors (1'x1' and 2'x1') that sit flush with the stage, open downward, and are operated from below. Does anyone have recommendations on hinges for such a configuration? I don't want any hinges visible on the stage floor. (In addition, these small traps will need to be walk-on-able, when they're shut. A secure latching mechanism will be needed, if anyone has suggestions on that, as well.) Thanks, y'all. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative Do they have to hinge ? Could they slide horizontally ? Slide into horizontal position and then wedged swing bar below to push up and into flush with Finished Floor position as well as providing bottom support(s). -- Bryan H. Ackler 7881 S.W. Capitol Hwy. #1 Portland, Oregon 97219 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: ETCP [at] USITT Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: <018301c7341f$0cce36a0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Certified, oh you mean in rigging. Great. And with reduced premiums and and and coverages, wow. Great, just what we said twenty five years ago to people interested in this area. Good to see it come about. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 11:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: ETCP [at] USITT For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 1/9/07 1:03 PM, "RD" wrote: > I would be interested in seeing the documentation of the individual reduced > insurance rates for those who have certification. Dr. Doom Randy. I do not think it appropriate for me to give out premium information either publicly or privately, but I can tell you that my premiums have decreased by approximately 20% while my coverage has increased. My agent tells me that one of the reasons for the reduction is the fact that I and my staff are certified. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Subject: Vacuform tile roof? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:05:14 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF3B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Can anyone point me toward a good source for vacuformed sheets of = spanish tile roofing? Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: RE: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:09:01 -0500 Indianapolis Colts play in a similiar arena. They have lovely wind doors to go through when you enter the stadium. They just broke ground on a new stadium and are planning on leveling that old one. I guess that the maintence is a bitch. Susan Nicholson (go colts!) BC Place Stadium, a 60,000 seat football stadium, with a 10 hectare (25 acre) fiberglass roof supported by air pressure, collapsed on Friday at noon, after an end panel blew out. The stadium staff then engaged the "controlled deflation protocol". Further inspection by the company that made the roof revealed 2 other small panels that need replacing, and smaller tears that could be patched on site. Of course, more rain and wind and snow are predicted this week, meaning we could have the world's largest out door swimming pool collecting on the roof, which is now hanging from the outer rim of the building. _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! �MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Masonite issues... Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A071BE2D2 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I was wondering if anyone else was having problems finding=20 > square edged hardboard (formally masonite). All the crap I=20 > can find ^^^^ Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner in our contest to find the best, most concise description of masonite possible... (Can you tell I hate the stuff?) ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:13:20 GMT Subject: Re: ETCP [at] USITT Message-Id: <20070109.121358.15735.997757 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Reduced insurance premiums for Certified Riggers? That is the way the = insurance industry is SUPPOSED to work! I congratulate the actuaries. /s/ Richard ____________________ Certified, oh you mean in rigging. Great. And with reduced premiums = and and and coverages, wow. Great, just what we said twenty five years = ago to people interested in this area. Good to see it come about. Doom = > I would be interested in seeing the documentation of the individual reduced insurance rates for those who have certification. Dr. Doom ______________ Randy. I do not think it appropriate for me to give out premium = information either publicly or privately, but I can tell you that my = premiums have decreased by approximately 20% while my coverage has = increased. My agent tells me that one of the reasons for the = reduction is the fact that I and my staff are certified. Bill S. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:26:59 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: This happens all the time with the Carrier Dome roof here in Syracuse. They often deflate it on purpose if a heavy snow is predicted. The air pressure can't support a bigger than normal snow load. The cables inside the fabric roof can hold significant loads (in a concave/deflated configuration), but the air pressure cannot. The air below (inside) is heated, and the melted snow drains off in a controlled manner. So we Syracusans know when a major snow "event" is predicted when the Dome looks like it has no roof. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070109153135.jzymz8sdcgcow0cg [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:31:35 -0500 From: Andy Champ-Doran Subject: Re: Masonite issues... References: In-Reply-To: Will, Try looking for 1/2" or 3/4" MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard). Around here you get it under Ranger Board, Temple, or Medite. All of those brands are pretty good by us. Different manufacturers have different specs, but ors come in 48"x96" sheets, or 49"x97" sheets. We get them at Connecticut Plywood out of Albany, NY, though their home offices are in West Hartford, CT. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504 (845) 758-7962 > Good morning, > I was wondering if anyone else was having problems finding square edged > hardboard (formally masonite). All the crap I can find around here is > bullnosed, which sucks for flooring. Does anyone have any sources for > nice hardboard? > - Will Leonard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:38:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Susan Nicholson wrote: > Indianapolis Colts play in a similiar arena. They have lovely wind doors to > go through when you enter the stadium. They just broke ground on a new > stadium and are planning on leveling that old one. I guess that the > maintence is a bitch. Sure is. I watched that roof inflate in 1983 and am amazed it has lasted as long as it has.... but they are going to patch it and reinflate within a week they say! It was however, a white elephant the moment it was built. Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:51:47 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-Reply-To: References:

The Stephen C. O'Connell Center at the University of Flordia, home of the NCAA Nation Football and Basketball champions (sorry, I could not help myself today) had an inflatable roof when I was there in the mid '80. Airlocks (revolving doors) sealed the pressure in. It is a beautiful building. From their web site: Originally, the building featured a translucent roof made of Teflon-coated Fiberglass, kept inflated by huge fans that boosted the air pressure in the main arena. During the summer of 1998 the O'Connell Center underwent a major renovation when the air-supported roof was replaced with a permanent, steel structure that reaches 118 feet above the main arena floor. At the same time new lighting and sound systems were purchased and the wooden bleachers on level one were replaced with contoured, Fiberglass benches. The total cost of the entire roof project was $8.5 million. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:56:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: No inflatable roof on the new stadium, either. Big, honking retractable. Some of the main support columns are up. They're HUGE. Mike Brubaker Susan Nicholson writes: go through when you enter the stadium. They just broke ground on a new stadium and are planning on leveling that old one. I guess that the ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A4041F.3010907 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:07:43 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >> From their web site: > > > Originally, the building featured a translucent roof made of > Teflon-coated Fiberglass, kept inflated by huge fans that boosted the > air pressure in the main arena. See, there's a silver lining to the cloud of obesity over our nation. Of course, if those huge fans go on diets or find another team to support, the arena could be in trouble. :-D Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:21:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/9/07 4:07 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: >> Originally, the building featured a translucent roof made of >> Teflon-coated Fiberglass, kept inflated by huge fans that boosted the >> air pressure in the main arena. > > See, there's a silver lining to the cloud of obesity over our nation. > Of course, if those huge fans go on diets or find another team to > support, the arena could be in trouble. :-D Yeah, but ya gotta wonder what method they used to 'boost' the air pressure. Bill S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:23:50 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070109132339.01f4c510 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 01:21 PM 1/9/2007, Bill Sapsis wrote: >Yeah, but ya gotta wonder what method they used to 'boost' the air pressure. Beans on a stick? -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2221.205.215.253.74.1168379043.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:44:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: New questions From: "Bill Nelson" > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone > intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, > etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote > kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about > an economical solution..... ba doom cha. What is wrong with the good old fashioned "flash the lights" method? There is no additional cost and every lobby I have seen has light switches - at least for most of the lights. Bill ------------------------------ From: John Arrowsmith Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:43:13 GMT Message-ID: <200719214313.778002 [at] arrowsmiths> Subject: K-12 explained ... I hope :) Hello, folks :) Being in the UK, I'm not familiar with American school terminology. I've come across this - "Free for K-12 schools !" and am guessing that the "K-12" is convenient shorthand for "from Kindergarten to Grade 12". Am I right ?! And - in case you're wondering - the phrase came in an email from CoffeeCup software ... they're offering five of their website-related (mostly) software programs free (to K-12s :)) Go here - http://www.coffeecup.com/k12/ - to read about it. Best wishes John, on a dark and windy night in Yorkshire -- Voluntary website provider / editor for UK Rock Challenge at http://www.rockchallenge.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:48:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: K-12 explained ... I hope :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, John Arrowsmith wrote: > I've come across this - "Free for K-12 schools !" and am guessing that > the "K-12" is convenient shorthand for "from Kindergarten to Grade > 12". > > Am I right ?! Yep! C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:44:32 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-reply-to: Message-id: <533F5154-A3BE-443A-8A57-8BE29D3D70C5 [at] appstate.edu> References:

On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > The Stephen C. O'Connell Center at the University of Flordia, home of > the NCAA Nation Football and Basketball champions (sorry, I could not > help myself today) Whoa there! Small, yet very important correction. The _only_ Football Champions recognized by the NCAA in the "Football Champions Subdivision", Division I, would be Appalachian State University, who beat Massachusetts in the tournament final December 17th in Chattanooga to repeat as back-to-back NCAA Division I Football Champions. Florida is the "Bowl Championship Series" Champion. The BCS is an entity separate and apart from the NCAA, and is run by the commissioners of 6 conferences, including the Big Ten and ACC, Big East, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC. They negotiate TV contracts, stadium usage, the revolving site of each year's final game, etc. The NCAA has nothing to do with it. I just read a fascinating article on Jim Delany, the commish of the Big 10, who is the de facto head of the BCS, and the major reason we have the BCS rather than a playoff format for Division I-A. The article can be found at http://tinyurl.com/y5abeb . Go Mountaineers! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:16:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Vacuform tile roof? From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: BMI has 4 x 12 sheets for $132. Googled "spanish tile roof vacuform sheets". sketch-lite.com does not have it but it's a good place to bookmark. Oak Island Entertainment Group has 4 x 8 sheets for $85. You can also google "vacuform scenery" and find some other places. What about Tobins Lake Studios, CBS, Warner Brothers? Steve > From: "Storms, Randy" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:05:14 -0800 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Vacuform tile roof? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Can anyone point me toward a good source for vacuformed sheets of spanish tile > roofing? > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:21:12 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Vacuform tile roof? At 12:05 PM -0800 1/9/07, Storms, Randy wrote: >Can anyone point me toward a good source for vacuformed sheets of >spanish tile roofing? Does Outwater have anything like that? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net What exactly is "viewer discretion"? If viewers had any discretion, most TV shows wouldn't be on the air. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:26:32 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates At 3:09 PM -0500 1/9/07, Susan Nicholson wrote: >Indianapolis Colts play in a similiar arena. They have lovely wind >doors to go through when you enter the stadium. They just broke >ground on a new stadium and are planning on leveling that old one. I was wondering what that crane-fest has been for, these past few months. I used to look at it on my tri-weekly run across I-70 & 74 from Dayton to various cities in southern Illinois, back when I was driving the truck. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism." -- Type O Negative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: realistic dock planking Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:04:02 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF3D [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I can buy 2 sheets of 7/16 OSB and 1 sheet of 2" Dow board for $32, this = would net me 8 planks (1'x4'x3") at $4/plank. Right now 2x12 goes for $1.35/linear foot, so the same 8 planks would = cost me $43.20, or $5.40/plank. These would be only half as thick as I wanted, of course - (1'x4'x1.5") So, if I needed 100 planks, 2x12 would cost me $140 more than stressed = skins. Building them would be no big deal, just set up the table saw = once and make 300 passes (couple of hours, tops) then set a squad of = freshmen about gluing them up - one of the benefits of working in = educational theatre is a never-ending supply of free labor :). To each his own, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- >Wouldn't 2x12 be cheaper and faster? >Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:17:37 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: realistic dock planking In-Reply-To: References: On 1/9/07, Storms, Randy wrote: > I can buy 2 sheets of 7/16 OSB and 1 sheet of 2" Dow board for $32, this would net me 8 planks (1'x4'x3") at $4/plank. > > Right now 2x12 goes for $1.35/linear foot, so the same 8 planks would cost me $43.20, or $5.40/plank. > These would be only half as thick as I wanted, of course - (1'x4'x1.5") I think there is some confusion on what size plank you are looking for. A 4' piece of 2x12 is awfully close to 1'x4'x1.5". Do you mean something different from 1.5" thick? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:04:35 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-Reply-To: References:

Florida is #1 in the BCS, the AP Poll, the coaches poll, and the CBS Sprortline Poll I would not say that "The NCAA has nothing to do with it," since the NCAA controls eligibility of player and teams, On 1/9/07, Greg Williams wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Delbert Hall wrote: > > > The Stephen C. O'Connell Center at the University of Flordia, home of > > the NCAA Nation Football and Basketball champions (sorry, I could not > > help myself today) > > Whoa there! > > Small, yet very important correction. The _only_ Football Champions > recognized by the NCAA in the "Football Champions Subdivision", > Division I, would be Appalachian State University, who beat > Massachusetts in the tournament final December 17th in Chattanooga to > repeat as back-to-back NCAA Division I Football Champions. > > Florida is the "Bowl Championship Series" Champion. The BCS is an > entity separate and apart from the NCAA, and is run by the > commissioners of 6 conferences, including the Big Ten and ACC, Big > East, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC. They negotiate TV contracts, stadium > usage, the revolving site of each year's final game, etc. The NCAA > has nothing to do with it. > > I just read a fascinating article on Jim Delany, the commish of the > Big 10, who is the de facto head of the BCS, and the major reason we > have the BCS rather than a playoff format for Division I-A. The > article can be found at http://tinyurl.com/y5abeb . > > Go Mountaineers! > > -=Greg Williams=- > Production Manager > Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University > > www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine > - c'mon and ride with us! > > > -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:44:39 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates In-Reply-To: References:

>On 1/9/07, Greg Williams wrote: > Whoa there! > > Small, yet very important correction. The _only_ Football Champions > recognized by the NCAA in the "Football Champions Subdivision", > Division I, would be Appalachian State University, who beat > Massachusetts in the tournament final December 17th in Chattanooga to > repeat as back-to-back NCAA Division I Football Champions. Whoa there, yourself! You forgot the small but important "AA" on that designation, Greg. Appachian State University is the "NCAA Division I-AA" National Football Champions. As I understand it, it was the the university presidents of the NCAA Division I-A schools that decided to create the BCS because they did not want a NCAA playoff system, like that used by the minor divisions. So techically, there is no NCAA Division I-A Football Champions. However, saying that NCAA has nothing to do with the BCS is a bit of an overstatement since all players and teams must meet the NCAA's strick requirements in order to particiapate in the BCS. The NCAA controls the number of scholarship that Division I-A schools can offer, they regulate recruting rules, and they can ban Division I-A school from participating in post-season play. The NCAA has a major roll in the BCS. The Univiversity of Florida football team is ranked #1 in the nation by the AP Poll, the Coaches Poll, and the CSB Spotsline Poll (and probably others). Go Gators! -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Subject: Big Apple Circus - information request Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:16:48 -0800 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F2DFF37 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" OK, here's a strange one - I'm in the middle of doing some site planning for a development and am trying to convince everybody that they need to up-size one of the surrounding "open spaces" to accommodate special events. Thinking that something like Big Apple Circus might be a good example, I was wondering if anybody on the list knew what they were currently using for a footprint these days? A site plane would be lovely, but I know that might be pushing it. Permanent theatre space for Cirque I have everywhere I look here in the office....but no big tops. Who'd have thought..... Thanks in advance - and feel free to contact me off-list. =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:20:32 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: new ideas for the stage tech olympics... References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Rigger writes >So are you above average or below average? Oh behave. ;) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:57:37 -0500 Subject: For those of you with some spare time on your hands From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Slashdot just posted a story about MIT's open courseware. It's basically free classes on the internet if you are disciplined and a good self teacher/learner. http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html Interestingly enough the fine folks at the MIT Theater Arts Dept have posted their coursework as well. (some of them even lurk here). If any of you have any ambitious highschoolers or are looking for a taste of university level theater arts curriculum this is a good place to start. I taught there in the early '90s and my position is now ably filled by Karen Perlow, whom I've had the opportunity to design with. Any courses with the names Fregosi, Katz, Perlow, Held, or Sonenberg are entirely worth looking at. Or you could just skip all that and take "space propulsion 101" http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Aeronautics-and-Astronautics/16-522Spring2004/Cour seHome/index.htm Enjoy. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45A44E5D.4070503 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:24:29 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Big Apple Circus - information request References: In-Reply-To: Michael Finney wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > OK, here's a strange one - I'm in the middle of doing some site > planning for a development and am trying to convince everybody that they > need to up-size one of the surrounding "open spaces" to accommodate > special events. Thinking that something like Big Apple Circus might be > a good example, I was wondering if anybody on the list knew what they > were currently using for a footprint these days? A site plane would be > lovely, but I know that might be pushing it. > > Permanent theatre space for Cirque I have everywhere I look here in the > office....but no big tops. Who'd have thought..... > > Thanks in advance - and feel free to contact me off-list. > > Michael Finney > Thinkwell Design & Production > mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com > www.thinkwelldesign.com > > > > When they were here in Boston last year, the big top was setup next to city hall, which would suit your definition of cramped space. I don't know if they were able to setup their entire rig. They had all their living trailer and transport trailer parking at a remote site, which needed potable water, sewer, phone and electric services, and fit comfortably into a parking lot about 300 x 600 feet. A big out of the way corner of a big parking lot for a carnival. They need potable water and sewer access as well, usually they bring a generator. another really interesting special event to imagine is a balloon festival. Needs really large (many acres) areas, mowed grass or asphalt preferred. These are usually at small airports. Not too near the ocean. Agricultural fairs. Big outdoor concerts if there are not too many close neighbors. Theater in the park type things. Plan for big civic events in parks as well. Basically, hookups for vendors and offices along pathways. I'm thinking things like Boston's First Night celebration. Good luck and have fun. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: New questions Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c73460$fd17ab00$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Gottcha. Excellent. Works in Broadway, etc. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:44 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: New questions For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone > intermission is over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, > etc. All a pain) was thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote > kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy here (and then think about > an economical solution..... ba doom cha. What is wrong with the good old fashioned "flash the lights" method? There is no additional cost and every lobby I have seen has light switches - at least for most of the lights. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Vacuform tile roof? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c73460$fd5f3b50$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Oh golly. I used to make tile from mud in the missions and bake it to be red. But no vacuum forming. ..sorry. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:21 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Vacuform tile roof? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 12:05 PM -0800 1/9/07, Storms, Randy wrote: >Can anyone point me toward a good source for vacuformed sheets of >spanish tile roofing? Does Outwater have anything like that? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net What exactly is "viewer discretion"? If viewers had any discretion, most TV shows wouldn't be on the air. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9e6bc3f30701091939x7c67c27fvfac643fef1e84469 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:39:07 -0600 From: "Kent Laue" Reply-To: klaue2 [at] gmail.com Subject: EDMX protocol Hi Everyone, Long time reader, first time thread starter. Our community has recently finished our new performing arts center, complete with a full blown Emphasis 3D system. I am only a high school sturent, but I do have the privledge of being able to do technical work there. The one feature of the facility I cannot get a well rounded explanation of is the way EDMX works. I am trying to get a good understanding of the differences between the DMX and EDMX protocols (the CAT6 vs XLR cabling choice is somewhat obvious) and how devices translate between EDMX and DMX. Can anyone on the list reccommend some good online reading about this? Thanks, Kent ------------------------------ From: "Joel Harari" References:

Subject: Nicopress question Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:46:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01c73493$dd4015f0$c007ae4c [at] Tigger> In-Reply-To: If this starts another holy war I apologize in advance, but this question came up at work and we kept getting conflicting answers. So here is my question in 3 parts: 1. On 3/16 cable how many presses should you have? 2. Does it matter what order you do the presses in? ie thimble first moving towards the end, vise versa or what? 3. How much of a tail should be sticking out of the end of the sleeve? We are using the 51-X-850 tool on 3/16 copper sleeves, and all our crimps pass the "go" gauge test. TIA Joel Harari ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1082 ******************************