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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1085

 1. Vick email
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 2. Speed Control for shaded pole motor
    by "Duane" <dhoberg [at] kc.rr.com>
 3. Re: Nicopress question
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 4. Re: Sales/Install Question
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
 5. Re: Speed Control for shaded pole motor
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 6. Re: New questions
    by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb)
 7. Re: New questions
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 8. Re: Speed Control for shaded pole motor
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
 9. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
10. Re: New questions
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
11. Re: Sales/Install Question
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
12. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident
    by Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
13. Converting 70v Paging System
    by Richard Clever <maestro196 [at] sbcglobal.net>
14. Re: Sales/Install Question
    by "John Penisten" <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
15. Re: Converting 70v Paging System
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
16. Re: Converting 70v Paging System
    by Richard Bakos <Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com>
17. Re: For those of you with some spare time on your hands
    by "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com>
18. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by Andy Champ-Doran <doran [at] bard.edu>
19. Re: New questions
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
20. Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
    by Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
21. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries  in accident)
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
22. realistic dock planking
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
23. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries  in accident)
    by "Jared Fortney" <jared.fortney [at] gmail.com>
24. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
25. Re: New questions
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
26. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
27. Re: New questions
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
28. Re: New questions
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
29. Re: New questions
    by Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
30. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
31. Re: Vick email
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
32. stacking truss on spansets
    by Robert Bell <buffobob [at] yahoo.com>
33. Re: Sales/Install Question
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
34. Re: Nicopress question
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
35. Re: Sales/Install Question
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
36. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
37. Re: stacking truss on spansets
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
38. Re: stacking truss on spansets
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
39. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
40. Re: Nicopress question
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
41. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries  in accident)
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
42. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
43. Re: New questions
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
44. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
45. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
46. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
    by "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
47. Re: New questions
    by Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
48. Re: New questions
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
49. Re: New questions
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
50. Re: New questions
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
51. Re: For those of you with some spare time on your hands
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
52. Re: stacking truss on spansets
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
53. Re: New questions
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
54. Re: students and miter saws
    by PatrickMcCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
55. Re: New questions
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
56. Re: students and miter saws
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
57. Re: New questions
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
58. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
59. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
60. USITT Electrical Workshop - March 2007
    by Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
61. Re: New questions
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
62. Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
63. Looking for places to post contest
    by "Ish [at] twcny.rr.com" <ish [at] twcny.rr.com>
64. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident
    by "Tim Catlett" <catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:22:35 -0500
Subject: Vick email
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1CB882B.17EB1%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41075024 [at] prxy.net>

Sorry for the bandwidth folks.

Dave...1st one didn't bounce but my reply this am did.  Go figure.
Bill






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Message-ID: <012501c73574$c5b37760$0201a8c0 [at] kc.rr.com>
From: "Duane" <dhoberg [at] kc.rr.com>
References: <list-41069887 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Speed Control for shaded pole motor
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:36:44 -0600

Anybody effectively controlled the speed of a shaded pole gearmotor?   We
have a need for a clock with the hands spinning at an increasing rate
throughout a musical number.  The unit flys and we have only seven inches of
clearance behind for motor.

Hands now spin just fine at full speed.  Variac we are using does not drop
speed enough and does not allow spinning to start at slow speed.

I guess I am looking for a source for an economical Frequency drive control
that others have used on fractional HP shaded pole motors and known problems
if any with such use.

Thanks for info.

Duane







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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:39:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Nicopress question
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1CB9A26.17EBA%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41052516 [at] prxy.net>

The deal with National Telephone & Telegraph (Nicopress) is that they have a
number of different tools and each carries a different crimping requirement.
It tends to get confusing.  I think JR Clancy put together a list of tools
matched up with their sleeve requirements a little while ago.  I'll check to
see if that's available.

The Loos (LocoLok) company has a more simplified approach.  Multiple opening
tool for the smaller sizes, a single tool for 1/4' and one for 5/16".  I
think they have one for 3/8" also but your arms have to be awfully long.....

I'm not trying to promote one over the other.  They're both fine companies
and make a good product.  It's just that I confuse easily in my old age.  I
try to keep things as simple as possible.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile









On 1/10/07 1:01 PM, "Rigger" <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:

> 1.) You should have as many crimps as the instructions for the
> crimping tool and/or oval sleeve call for.  In the most recent data I
> have on hand from National Telephone (Instruction Sheet #32, revised
> 9-11-97), if you're using the 51X850 crimper with sleeve numbers
> 18-6-X, 28-8-F2, 188-6-VX, or 428-6-VX, you crimp four times.  If
> you're using a different sleeve, you're using the wrong crimper.



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Message-ID: <001601c7357d$e2347020$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-41067059 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:41:56 -0500

At first count CB makes about 18 good points in his post. (sorry CB, I
am leaving your entire post) the first and last not necessarily
pertinent to your purchase, but nonetheless, should be followed.

To re-emphasize: Know what you want, Do your homework. Many times that
friendliest guy is a salesman first.

Two theatres back in Boise have different seasons and they "rent"
their equipment back and forth to each other because the "users" are
the same people. They have talked to and convinced, wisely, the check
signers that similar equipment in the two venues makes absolute sense.

Knowledge is power. and it is in your hands.
Keep your skirt down, you're the John in this case.

Rob't

And like many posts from this forum I am keeping CB's so I can show
other people. "See, I'm not the only one who thinks this way about
(fill in topic)"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net>

> >>When, and only when you have this, approach possible suppliers. Do
not,
> >>repeat NOT tell them what equipment to supply, just the budget.
They know
>>> the
>> >available equipment far better than you do.
>
> First, if you buy sound gear via a method described by Frank Wood, a
'sound
> guy
> from way back', you get what you deserve.  Find all the gear that
you want.
>  Find the MSRP on that gear.  Make a list that has the make, model
and type
> of kit that you want and it's quantity, and the associated MSRP
multiplied
> by that quantity.  If you don't think that you can afford at least
one more
> of everything that you need, buy one similar to one your neighbor
has.
> Preferably a neighbor that will lend you thiers when you bust yours,
at
> least until your new one shows up or some techs can patch toghether
the one
> you busted.
> Once you have the list with all the numbers on it, get someone that
can get
> money to sign it.  Then take the list, sans dollar signs, to
reputable
> dealers of kit.  Make sure that it is NOT a box-house, but a dealers
that
> actually knows what the stuff does, and what the insides look like.
Get
> them to fight over you like the early-blooming girl in sixth grade
that you
> are, by giving you ever-better deals on the large purchase.  Make
them
> regret it later by making them live up to all their support
promises, like
> you do.  The difference between MSRP and what those drooling cads
will sell
> you the kit for will be adquate coverage for installation oopses,
forgotten
> kit, and OBTW's.
> Good luck, and don't listen to Frank.

> Chris "Chris" Babbie



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Message-ID: <4472.205.215.253.194.1168520114.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-41081427 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41069887 [at] prxy.net> <list-41081427 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:55:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Speed Control for shaded pole motor
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> I guess I am looking for a source for an economical Frequency drive control
> that others have used on fractional HP shaded pole motors and known
> problems if any with such use.

If you are willing to build your own, check out back issues of Astronomy
Magazine. I seem to recall that they had a circuit for a clock drive rate
control, about 10 - 15 years back. I built one for a friend and it was
inexpensive.

The only possible concern is that it generated a square wave, so there was
a bit of noise when it ran. That could probably be reduced or eliminate by
using a better transformer and maybe isolation mounts for the transformer.

Bill


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From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb)
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:14:58 +0000
Message-Id: <011120071314.619.45A638520001E3AB0000026B2205889116010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net>

Jon
I had the same problem at my last venue.  I found that the air handlers themselves had a 3 position switch which allowed me to set it to manual rather than auto.  I just had to remember to switch back to auto at the end of the evening.

I tried to argue that they trusted me to teach 14 year olds how to use power tools but wouldn't trust me to turn on the HVAC responsibly.  The override was done on the sly.  I think its more about the programmers keeping their jobs.  They were hired to relieve facility types from doing it.

Sometimes if it was out when I had an event, I would call the district's after hours number and someone would have to come in and start the system up.  I would also let the user groups know that I had no control over the system and that they should call facilities and complain.  There was only so much that I as a lowly staff member could do about it.  TPTB could easily ignore me, it was harder to ignore citizen complaints.  Eventually the programming did improve.

Randy Whitcomb


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>

> Heck, I just had to swap a couple of beers to encourage the head engineer to 
> 'find' a way to get the centrally-controlled heat turned on for the 
> upcoming -3 day (sub-freezing) weekend (where typically the heat/air circ 
> turns off at 6pm daily, except weekends, where it doesn't turn on at all!).
> 
> *The head engineer knows how to crack the online system, where the District 
> Operations Center controls all HVAC and electrical, not him.  They don't let 
> any facility engineers have access to the actual settings - all they can see 
> are alarms and error logs.  (Such is the hassle of being a LEED certified 
> school.)



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Message-ID: <000901c73585$c23d2ca0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41009025 [at] prxy.net> <list-41013662 [at] prxy.net>       <list-41023239 [at] prxy.net> <list-41045028 [at] prxy.net>    <list-41067143 [at] prxy.net> <list-41072178 [at] prxy.net> <list-41075024 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:38:20 -0800

> There is a possibility, assuming that you have control of the dimmer
> access and that your administrative types have no idea what the standard
> programming should be. It would require a DMX combiner to feed the
> affected dimmers. You then program your light board with an inhibit
> submaster and set the combiner to HTP. Then, when you run the submaster to
> full, the lights go out.

These architectural lights are not dimmered - they're all high-efficiency 
stuff, juiced from an electrical room that has nothing to do with the 
theatres proper.

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <4528.205.215.253.194.1168523627.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-41081427 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41069887 [at] prxy.net> <list-41081427 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 05:53:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Speed Control for shaded pole motor
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

You can try this one. Here is the link:
http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/alcor/alcor.pdf

Bill


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Subject: RE: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:59:21 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A071BE826 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41069888 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Here are the salient points that I ponder when this creeps=20
> into my brain.
>=20
> 4. Why is the school being sued but the professor was "not=20
> named in the suit"? I understand that deep pockets are easier=20
> and more attractive to attack, however, if "inadequate=20
> supervision" was provided then shouldn't the professor be=20
> named? It would be that persons responsibility to supervise=20
> personally or establish supervision from other sources.

It's not a question of pockets...as an employee of the institution,
working in a capacity covered by his job description and duties, the
instructor is covered by the institution's policy and *can't* be sued.
DAMHIKIJK, though anyone who's been reading here since, oh, November
probably has a pretty good idea.

> 6. It is also stated that the saw pulled his left shirt=20
> sleeve into the saw "suddenly and without warning" yet he=20
> pressed the button to activate the saw. Possibly I'm assuming=20
> too much here but activation of a tool seems to provide=20
> warning that the tool is now dangerous and should be=20
> respected as such. As far as "suddenly" is concerned, I'm=20
> sure that it was sudden in light of the fact that the blade=20
> is turning REALLY FAST, a feature that allows it to do the=20
> work that it does.

Just hypothesizing here, since I don't have the original article in
front of me...but what if the sleeve was contacting the blade *when* the
power was turned on?  I might be able to see something like that
happening in that case...

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Message-ID: <001d01c73588$fcd0b870$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41084330 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:01:27 -0800

> I had the same problem at my last venue.  I found that the air handlers 
> themselves had a 3 position switch which allowed me to set it to manual 
> rather than auto.  I just had to remember to switch back to auto at the 
> end of the evening.
>


Wish I could do such a thing - there are NO switches, overrides, 
thermostats, nothing in the building.  Nada.  Nuttin.  The thermostatic 
sensors (in the larger spaces) are nothing more than small bumps on the 
wall - no controls, buttons, switches, etc.  About the only control I would 
have is hitting the breakers in the electrical room.

At least the old building had thermostats with 2 hour overrides.  Now, 
everything is controlled via an online monitoring system.  (Heaven forbid 
the power go out at either the District Operations Center, or at my end.)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Subject: RE: Sales/Install Question
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:03:29 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A071BE82F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41069212 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I also agree with CB on this one. Specifying the exact=20
> equipment you want is not only smart but it is a prudent=20
> method for avoiding those who would wish to provide=20
> themselves the highest profit margin but provide you with=20
> equipment that you either don't need or don't want.

There are companies and people from whom I'd definitely solicit
recommendations on gear if I wasn't familiar with certain brands/models.
Ironically, one of them has the initials CB, but isn't our Mr. Babbie
(unless you've been moonlighting for Full Compass, Chris). =20

Other times, if you don't know or trust whom you're working with (and
you don't explicitly spec otherwise), you're liable to get handed Mackie
or Behringer.  Geh.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:22:45 -0600
Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident
From: Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
Message-ID: <C1CBA455.44B1%Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41065767 [at] prxy.net>

There is a great danger here in this blame the student attitude I see people
posting.  While it is easy to blame the accident on the student and say they
could have walked away, so many times our students don't know they have the
option.  They are raised with a mentality that they have to do what a
teacher says and there is no room for discussion. If we think of all the
times our students, during their high school careers are faced with the "
because I said so" response to their questions, it becomes apparent how this
kind of situation could occur. When they come to college they think this
still applies to how they are to do things. Perhaps the student didn't know
he could say no when it comes to safety. It is for this exact reason that we
need some kind of  an empowerment statement on our safety checkouts,  "the
student has the right to refuse to do a task if they feel it is unsafe, they
are unfamiliar with the procedures or they need more training". It is
glaringly obvious to me that "reasonable attempts to ensure the safety of
the students"  may have not been made in the case of this student. That is
the definition of negligence according to the lawyers and the courts. That
is probably how this case got to court.

On the other side, if there were proper safety procedures, signs, training
and policies in place then this will come out in court and the school will
be vindicated.  Having proper training for the students, documentation,
signage, and all guides, gates and other safety devices in place will go a
long way to protecting all of us in the event of an accident.  I know this
first hand as I had a similar experience with the nail gun and a student
getting stuck with a nail that hit a knot. All the safety procedures,
training, etc paid off when the jury said no to the negligence lawsuit. I
have to thank Doom for giving me a clue many years ago and telling me how to
implement a safety training program and giving advice during a past USITT, I
would have been in a different predicament.


The odd fact about this lawsuit is that it may have nothing to do with the
shop or the accident but rather the fact the school may have balked at
payment or treatment for the student and they have medical bills.  That was
the motivation for the student who sued me, the university wouldn't pay his
60 dollar doctor bill.  I am sure it cost more than 60 dollars to have a rep
from the state of Texas come down and represent the state, the president of
the university, the university and me in the lawsuit. It's kind of funny the
way people have to resort to lawsuits to get any relief.

I'll get down of the soapbox now


-- 
Philip Johnson
Professor of Theatre
Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi




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Message-ID: <20070111142842.22667.qmail [at] web80412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:28:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Clever <maestro196 [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Converting 70v Paging System
In-Reply-To: <list-41079692 [at] prxy.net>

Is there a way to take a signal from a 70v feed and
put it into a mixer/amplifier to feed higher powered
speakers? 

I want to take the feed that goes to my dressing rooms
and send it to my studio theatre which sometimes gets
used for staging for largers shows and dance studios. 
The studio is wired with a normal pa system and I
would like to be able to just patch in the feed and
turn it on when I need to.

I'm sure there is a way but I don't remember. Thanks
in advance.

Rick

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Message-ID: <87e6786e0701110636n2ffbc5adqa5fc77784e82a886 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:36:14 -0600
From: "John Penisten" <john.penisten [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question
In-Reply-To: <list-41085729 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41069212 [at] prxy.net> <list-41085729 [at] prxy.net>

I will be sure to pass along the good feelings to Mr Bengry ;)

I do have to say, however, that I also agree completely with Mr
Babbie.  There is a definite need for box houses, and there is an
equally important need for real design/build firms.  I know when I was
in sales there were a number of projects that I referred to local
dealers/consultants because they could better support the project.  I
certainly know what stuff does and what it looks like on the inside,
but there are times when, no matter how good a consultative
salesperson you are, you just have to be able to walk the facility
with the client and hold their hand.  In my opinion that is what sets
the box houses apart; being able and willing to put the needs of the
customer/project ahead of selling a quota of Mackie or Behringer (not
that the Mackie's or Behringer's don't have a place in the market, of
course).

Add usual disclaimer about my opinions being mine alone and not
necessarily representative of my employer here.

Best,
John


> There are companies and people from whom I'd definitely solicit
> recommendations on gear if I wasn't familiar with certain brands/models.
> Ironically, one of them has the initials CB, but isn't our Mr. Babbie
> (unless you've been moonlighting for Full Compass, Chris).
>
> Other times, if you don't know or trust whom you're working with (and
> you don't explicitly spec otherwise), you're liable to get handed Mackie
> or Behringer.  Geh.
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:39:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Converting 70v Paging System
In-Reply-To: <list-41086542 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701111435590.16395 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-41086542 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Richard Clever wrote:

> Is there a way to take a signal from a 70v feed and
> put it into a mixer/amplifier to feed higher powered
> speakers?

The safest way is to use a minimum size, low wattage 70V transformer and connect 
the secondary to the line input of your amplifier.  If it's easy to access, you 
can connect the secondary connection of an existing 70V transformer/loudspeaker 
assembly (the two wires than are connected to the voice coil of the speaker) to 
the line input and avoid having to purchase another transformer.

Charlie

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Message-ID: <45A64D22.4040609 [at] StudioOneSB.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:43:46 -0500
From: Richard Bakos <Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com>
Organization: Studio One Inc.
Subject: Re: Converting 70v Paging System
References: <list-41086542 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41086542 [at] prxy.net>

A small 70v speaker transformer from the dressing room line to a line 
input of the pa system should work. Use the lowest possible tap on the 
transformer,  Worst case you need an external pad or a 70v step 
attenuator, but most mixers will handle the level.

Richard Clever wrote:

>Is there a way to take a signal from a 70v feed and
>put it into a mixer/amplifier to feed higher powered
>speakers? 
>  
>

-- 

Richard Bakos

President 

Studio One Inc.

25833 State Road 2

South Bend, In 46619-4736

VOICE 574-232-9084

FAX   574-232-2220

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Message-ID: <7cd95e180701110721s1f28b583q8904f1711bd52e19 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:21:32 -0500
From: "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: For those of you with some spare time on your hands
In-Reply-To: <list-41029281 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41029281 [at] prxy.net>

Thanks Herrick, Iam in the midst of a Tommy Defrantz directed IAP show
with 10 video screens on top of a big set. All the screens need to be
able to see the same image or each one needs to be able to display its
own,  Watchout and medialon are wayyy out of our price range. I am
looking at the possibility of 10 RS232 Dvds controlled by SFX.  OY
Mike

On 1/9/07, Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] hglightingdesign.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Slashdot just posted a story about MIT's open courseware. It's basically
> free classes on the internet if you are disciplined and a good self
> teacher/learner.
>
> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html
>
> Interestingly enough the fine folks at the MIT Theater Arts Dept have posted
> their coursework as well. (some of them even lurk here).  If any of you have
> any ambitious highschoolers or are looking for a taste of university level
> theater arts curriculum this is a good place to start. I taught there in the
> early '90s and my position is now ably filled by Karen Perlow, whom I've had
> the opportunity to design with.
>
> Any courses with the names Fregosi, Katz, Perlow, Held, or Sonenberg are
> entirely worth looking at.
>
> Or you could just skip all that and take
>
> "space propulsion 101"
> http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Aeronautics-and-Astronautics/16-522Spring2004/Cour
> seHome/index.htm
>
>
>
> Enjoy.
>
>
>
> --
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>
>


-- 
Mike Katz
Technical Director
MIT Theater Arts
617.253.0824

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Message-ID: <20070111102216.h3euk11l440g8gc4 [at] webmail.bard.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:22:16 -0500
From: Andy Champ-Doran <doran [at] bard.edu>
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
References: <list-41067298 [at] prxy.net> <list-41069076 [at] prxy.net>
	<list-41069403 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41069403 [at] prxy.net>

Hey, Bill,

In our experience,  we hold the saw and wood with whichever is safest. =20
  What really matters in that regard is that you don't cross your =20
hands, and neither hand or arm crosses the saw.  Oh, and wear the =20
proper clothing.  Yeah, and don't forget to stand properly...and don't =20
go too fast....and don't forget the safety glasses and ear =20
protection...and make sure the work piece is properly supported...and =20
don't lift the saw out of the piece until the blade has stopped =20
spinning...
We assume here that, whatever a new student employee tells us, that he =20
or she doesn't  have any experience, and must be properly trained and =20
checked out on all of our tools.  Yes, it slows us down initially =20
every semester, but it does make for fewer trips to the emergency room.

Andy Champ-Doran
Technical Director
Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater
Annandale-on-Hudson, NY 12504
(845) 758-7962


Quoting Bill Nelson <billn [at] peak.org>:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Maybe he was emulating Norm Abrams in his early television days. He used
> to use a compound miter saw by holding the work with his left hand and
> operating the saw with his right. As you might guess, he was severely
> chastised for such foolishness.
>
> Bill
>




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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:57:43 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-reply-to: <list-41085652 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <075F4E4D-7513-435B-A656-C9766D0F4558 [at] interstellar.com>
References: <list-41084330 [at] prxy.net> <list-41085652 [at] prxy.net>


On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Jon Ares wrote:

> At least the old building had thermostats with 2 hour overrides.   
> Now, everything is controlled via an online monitoring system.   
> (Heaven forbid the power go out at either the District Operations  
> Center, or at my end.)

Or just the phone/dsl line.


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:18:01 -0600
From: Robert Johnson <rojohnso [at] cord.edu>
Subject: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
In-reply-to: <list-41086357 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: rojohnso [at] cord.edu
Message-id: <000b01c7359c$10a704e0$6b79818a [at] THE6266>
Organization: Concordia College

I have just taken over the shop and am in the process of getting its
standards up to speed.

One of the things missing is signage pointing out safety issues.

What are some things those on the list think are necessary when it comes to
safety. I have a fairly standard wood shop. Radial arm saw, table saw, 10"
miter saw, air stapler, band saw. No real metal work area but I do have a
chop saw and grinder.

Robert Johnson
Technical Director
Concordia College

(218) 299-3821
rojohnso [at] cord.edu 


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Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070111112825.0333f0b8 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:30:11 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries
  in accident)
In-Reply-To: <list-41090021 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41086357 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-41090021 [at] prxy.net>

Proper eye protection
No loose fitting clothing
Closed toed shoes
No loose Bracelets or Necklaces
Keep yer hands inside the ride at all times
...

At 11:18 AM 1/11/2007, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>I have just taken over the shop and am in the process of getting its
>standards up to speed.
>
>One of the things missing is signage pointing out safety issues.
>
>What are some things those on the list think are necessary when it comes to
>safety. I have a fairly standard wood shop. Radial arm saw, table saw, 10"
>miter saw, air stapler, band saw. No real metal work area but I do have a
>chop saw and grinder.
>
>Robert Johnson
>Technical Director
>Concordia College
>
>(218) 299-3821
>rojohnso [at] cord.edu

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:54:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: realistic dock planking
In-Reply-To: <list-41039897 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <607320.53385.qm [at] web52202.mail.yahoo.com>


> <<As an update, I am considering the use of stressed
> skin platforms for 
> =
> this project, with each 1'x4'x3" "plank" being it's
> own platform.  I =
> made a prototype yesterday, works like a charm - now
> I just need to =
> decide if I want to make ~99 more...>>
> 

Call me a squint, but why would you build 100 of these
when you could build 13  [at]  4' x 8' and slice them to
the proper width?  

Paul


 
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From: "Jared Fortney" <jared.fortney [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries  in accident)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:11:56 -0500
In-Reply-To: <list-41090345 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <45a66ff5.5a15053d.3b70.ffffe8d2 [at] mx.google.com>

Once you have your list, check out Sign Builder 2.0
(http://tinyurl.com/968o7) for an easy way to make your signs.  I think
someone on this list posted about this site a while ago, and I use it
whenever I need industrial signage.

-Jared Fortney
Swing Tech.
Cirque du Soleil's Corteo


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References: <list-41090021 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <08F0DB1D-427A-40AB-BDBC-015FF8D65FD1 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:21:57 -0500


On 11 Jan 2007, at 11:18, Robert Johnson wrote:

> One of the things missing is signage pointing out safety issues.
>
> What are some things those on the list think are necessary when it  
> comes to
> safety.

	Whilst safety signage is important - as evidenced by recent threads  
on this list - I would caution about going over-board. I have seen  
many places where the walls are practically wallpapered with "Safety"  
signs and/or "Rules" signs. Nobody actually reads any of them because  
they all get lost in the clutter - sensory overload.

	Yes, having every conceivable safety rule posted up there somewhere  
might cover your butt in case of a lawsuit, but they all lose  
effectiveness due to their sheer volume. A few well-placed,  
prominent, easily read  and clearly worded signs covering the most  
important issues is far better than an overabundance of signs.

	People tend to see the forest, without noticing the individual trees  
therein.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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References: <list-41084330 [at] prxy.net> <list-41085652 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <C2EF2174-739C-4C94-A90D-59CED605569D [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:25:17 -0500


On 11 Jan 2007, at 09:01, Jon Ares wrote:

> At least the old building had thermostats with 2 hour overrides.   
> Now, everything is controlled via an online monitoring system.   
> (Heaven forbid the power go out at either the District Operations  
> Center, or at my end.)

	On line, huh? How are you at hacking into a computer system? If you  
aren't up to the task, find a 14 year old and he/she can probably do  
it! :-)

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Message-ID: <013e01c735af$a19f2960$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:38:04 -0600

Tim posted:

"Here are the salient points that I ponder when this creeps into my brain.

.....

Flame away."

All very reasoned thoughts but if this as a non-student that broke into the 
shop in the middle of the night, hot wired a keyed switch, and cut himself 
on the saw, I suspect the School would pay for their alleged negligence.

It's my observation that in most theatre departments associated with 
colleges that the training for students working in the shop is inadequate. 
Not everywhere, just in a majority of places.

And while the teacher or shop foreman may be personally at fault, I suspect 
that he was overworked and under paid, and don't think that person should be 
held accountable. It would simply send the message to the administration 
that it's OK to under pay and over work and not take an interest into safety 
and health issues.  And blaming it on the injured and his immediate 
supervisor does little to get procedures into place to prevent it happening 
again.  If it's going to cost the college $100,000 or 100 times that each 
time someone gets hurt - they'll probably put measures into place to reduce 
the risk.  If the injured and his teacher are blamed, any price they pay 
will have practically no impact on reducing the risk to others.

Safety requires checks and oversights.  Who was watching or supervising this 
student?  If he was working alone or without someone trained, then why 
didn't the school provide that person?  It is sometimes assumed that a 
person who does something repeatedly will - on the average - err 1 in 10,000 
times.  That's not very good odds for preventing accidents.  If two people 
are involved, your odds increase to about 1 in 100,000,000 - not bad.  Think 
about that next time you work alone.

Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070111124640.00c80d10 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:46:40
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: New questions

>Anywho, for our lobby signaling, we use a wireless doorbell, with the 
>low-frequency metal clapper-bar-thingy removed, so it goes 'ding,' with no 
>'dong.'

See!?!  There *IS* a difference!  I just did a Q/D sound design that needed
a doorbell, and I wanted to go with just one tone.  The director asked if
it would just ding, and I said, "No, it'll just dong".  He gave me the
strangest look, and so did everyone else in the doorbell aisle at Home
Despot.  They all started wandering away, however, when we started picking
up blister-packs and shaking them, lookig for just the right dong.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:18:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-Reply-To: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701112017330.25336 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, CB wrote:

> Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

Really?  dong or dongle?

C

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Message-ID: <45A69B9B.9060900 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:18:35 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Organization: University of Delaware
Subject: Re: New questions
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
  when we started picking
> up blister-packs and shaking them, lookig for just the right dong.

Now Chris, you know better than to set us up like that...

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen Litterst			Technical Operations Supervisor
litterst [at] udel.edu			Center for the Arts
302/831-0601				University of Delaware

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:21:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
From: Robert Graham <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1CBF864.C22%photonguide [at] gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41069403 [at] prxy.net>

I don't get that.  Every mitre saw I ever worked with was that way - Hold
the material with your left hand, and operate with the right. As long as it
was safe to do so; if your hand could get within 6 inches of the blade, then
you should use a vice clamp, or some alternate method of securing the item.

Now if you mean 'crossing over' arms, using the left to operate the saw and
the right to operate the blade, with your arms crossing, placing the right
forearm in the path of the blade......

-Rob Graham


On 1/10/07 9:40 PM, "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Maybe he was emulating Norm Abrams in his early television days. He used
> to use a compound miter saw by holding the work with his left hand and
> operating the saw with his right. As you might guess, he was severely
> chastised for such foolishness.
> 
> Bill
> 



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Message-Id: <p06230902c1cc4fb054b5 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41081065 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41081065 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:34:47 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Vick email

At 6:22 AM -0500 1/11/07, Bill Sapsis wrote:

>Dave...1st one didn't bounce but my reply this am did.  Go figure.


Use one of the other addresses.  Or call me.
Must be something in your ISP that doesn't like TDS.net. I'm stumped.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

   Some say the glass is half empty.
   Some say the glass is half full.
   I say the glass is too big.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:50:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Bell <buffobob [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: stacking truss on spansets
Message-ID: <405996.90069.qm [at] web36905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  I think the original poster was concerned as a venue
that would have a
traveling show come in with the span sets having
ridden in the truck on
stacked truss.  He wanted to know if there was
anything he could do 
about
it, because he didn't want to have an unsafe rig in
his house. 
  
  Actually I'm the I.A. rigger who doesn't want to be
held responsible for hanging equipment that I would
deem unsafe. Remembering Dooms level 1 course,
liability is always on my mind as much as safety. I
brought this to the list because I'm tired of hearing
"no one else has had a problem with it" and I find it
hard to believe that other riggers are just hanging
these shows. 




 
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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070111132555.00c80d10 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:25:55
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question

>The only time you do not want to specify
>exactly the product you want is when you are venturing into an area that
>you don't know.

Ehm, I'd like to respectfully suggest that if you are venturing into an
area that you don't know, that you either, learn enough to spec what you
need; hire someone to represent your needs that *does* know*;get the hell
out of the way.  In either case, allowing someone who's primary goal is to
get your money to decide the best way for him to get it isn't in your best
interest in all cases.
You do go on to suggest that one educate themselves with the suggestions
from this list, so I'm guesing that we are actually in agreement in
principle, but disagree on semantics.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <p06230903c1cc52cb0ef9 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41083312 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41083312 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:51:20 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Nicopress question

At 7:39 AM -0500 1/11/07, Bill Sapsis wrote:

>The deal with National Telephone & Telegraph (Nicopress) is that they have a
>number of different tools and each carries a different crimping requirement.
>It tends to get confusing.  I think JR Clancy put together a list of tools
>matched up with their sleeve requirements a little while ago.  I'll check to
>see if that's available.

'Tis available, dated Feb.'06. I have it in PDF if anyone wants it.
(BTW, they say four crimps for 3/16" oval sleeves, too.)



>I'm not trying to promote one over the other.  They're both fine companies
>and make a good product.  It's just that I confuse easily in my old age.  I
>try to keep things as simple as possible.


That's why I keep the written material from NT&T and Clancy around; 
so I don't have to worry about my failing memory.

Getting old's a bitch, ain't it, Bill? Still, it beats the alternative.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  Singing is basically a pleasant, controlled form of screaming.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:58:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Sales/Install Question
In-Reply-To: <list-41099398 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701112057380.25336 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-41099398 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, CB wrote:

> Ehm, I'd like to respectfully suggest that if you are venturing into an
> area that you don't know, that you either, learn enough to spec what you
> need; hire someone to represent your needs that *does* know*;get the hell
> out of the way.  In either case, allowing someone who's primary goal is to
> get your money to decide the best way for him to get it isn't in your best
> interest in all cases.

Or in any case!  Sheesh, this just seems like so much common sense...

C

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Message-ID: <009701c735c6$0e4443a0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-41098391 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:18:32 -0500

That there mitre think swings both ways,  and if  I want a matching
complimentary angle (is that right?) I will take the board and place
it against the fence on the other side of the blade without moving the
blade.  I was chastised, many years ago, for holding lumber against
the right fence with left hand and operating saw with right hand.
Never came close to an accident but,  believing my more knowledgeable
friends, I don't do that no mo'. Uh... guess I saw the sense in the
greater possibility.
There are two ways of learning.  the hard way and the easy way.  The
hard way is expensive,  the easy way just requires one's attention.

Rob't
Carpenter / Rigger
ten fingers and not to bad back


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Graham" <photonguide [at] gmail.com>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I don't get that.  Every mitre saw I ever worked with was that way -
Hold
> the material with your left hand, and operate with the right. As
long as it
> was safe to do so; if your hand could get within 6 inches of the
blade, then
> you should use a vice clamp, or some alternate method of securing
the item.
>
> Now if you mean 'crossing over' arms, using the left to operate the
saw and
> the right to operate the blade, with your arms crossing, placing the
right
> forearm in the path of the blade......
>



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Message-ID: <009c01c735c7$df8bbeb0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-41099344 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:31:35 -0500

I have refused to hang stuff.
For safety reasons.
People made adjustments because:
a. they saw the error and the liability.
b. they wanted to get this dickhead off their back and continue.

either way, reduced my liability and I felt better that, just maybe,
the show was safer and someone had learned something.

Touring shows are not usually the culprits.  Trade shows with hanging
displays much higher percentage.

Rob't



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Bell" <buffobob [at] yahoo.com>
>   I think the original poster was concerned as a venue
> that would have a
> traveling show come in with the span sets having
> ridden in the truck on
> stacked truss.

>   Actually I'm the I.A. rigger who doesn't want to be
> held responsible for hanging equipment that I would
> deem unsafe. Remembering Dooms level 1 course,
> liability is always on my mind as much as safety. I
> brought this to the list because I'm tired of hearing
> "no one else has had a problem with it" and I find it
> hard to believe that other riggers are just hanging
> these shows.



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In-Reply-To: <list-41099344 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41099344 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <A4799CEB-C588-49E9-9C97-5C51641B14E8 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:47:37 -0500


On 11 Jan 2007, at 15:50, Robert Bell wrote:

>   Actually I'm the I.A. rigger who doesn't want to be
> held responsible for hanging equipment that I would
> deem unsafe.

	Not a rigger, but the question that gnaws at me is: What  
alternatives do you have?
Off hand I can think of the following:

1]	Refuse to hang it and go home - let them scramble to find someone  
else and put it up anyway?
2]	Remove and inspect the Spanset, and if you deem it safe to use,  
then go ahead?
3]	Insist on using different spansets? Assuming they HAVE extras, how  
do you know they haven't been treated the same way in the past?
4]	Provide your own personal Spansets that you have confidence in?

	"Refusing to do it" is one thing, but - Then what?

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:49:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1CC1B17.5D50%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41098391 [at] prxy.net>

As I've been following this, I'm become more and more curious to know about
the guarding situation with the tool.  If the machine is of any fairly
recent manufacture, the fairly complex guards _should_ have kept the sleeve
away from the blade.  There is still much that we don't know of the actual
circumstances of the incident, it seems.
Steve Rees


On 1/11/07 3:21 PM, "Robert Graham" <photonguide [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I don't get that.  Every mitre saw I ever worked with was that way - Hold
> the material with your left hand, and operate with the right.[snip]


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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-41052516 [at] prxy.net> <list-41083312 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Nicopress question
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:50:13 -0700
Message-ID: <042701c735ca$7eba1a20$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-41083312 [at] prxy.net>

Bill: you do NOT confuse. Kudos for that I believe. And your are correct
about the Nicopress. We present these facts in our seminars and continue to
do so, and you are on right track. Keep at it. Doom 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:39 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Nicopress question

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

The deal with National Telephone & Telegraph (Nicopress) is that they have a
number of different tools and each carries a different crimping requirement.
It tends to get confusing.  I think JR Clancy put together a list of tools
matched up with their sleeve requirements a little while ago.  I'll check to
see if that's available.

The Loos (LocoLok) company has a more simplified approach.  Multiple opening
tool for the smaller sizes, a single tool for 1/4' and one for 5/16".  I
think they have one for 3/8" also but your arms have to be awfully long.....

I'm not trying to promote one over the other.  They're both fine companies
and make a good product.  It's just that I confuse easily in my old age.  I
try to keep things as simple as possible.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile









On 1/10/07 1:01 PM, "Rigger" <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:

> 1.) You should have as many crimps as the instructions for the
> crimping tool and/or oval sleeve call for.  In the most recent data I
> have on hand from National Telephone (Instruction Sheet #32, revised
> 9-11-97), if you're using the 51X850 crimper with sleeve numbers
> 18-6-X, 28-8-F2, 188-6-VX, or 428-6-VX, you crimp four times.  If
> you're using a different sleeve, you're using the wrong crimper.



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Subject: RE: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries  in accident)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A071BEB45 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41091677 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Once you have your list, check out Sign Builder 2.0
> (http://tinyurl.com/968o7) for an easy way to make your=20
> signs.  I think someone on this list posted about this site a=20
> while ago, and I use it whenever I need industrial signage.

I've also got a Photoshop file of 4"x6" templates with selceted verbiage
that I put together about a year and a half ago..."Notice", "Warning",
"Caution", "Danger", and "Emergency" templates (IIRC) in standard
colors.  It's about 375K zipped if anyone wants a copy.

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Message-ID: <45A6B6BE.4020200 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:14:22 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College
References: <list-41101446 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41101446 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Rees wrote:

> As I've been following this, I'm become more and more curious to know
> about the guarding situation with the tool.  If the machine is of any
> fairly recent manufacture, the fairly complex guards _should_ have
> kept the sleeve away from the blade.

Any tool the can cross-cut a 2x4 will also cut off your hand.  About the 
only thing guards are good for is helping to funnel the sawdust to the 
dust collector or garbage can, and hiding the blade when not in use. 
Anybody who relies upon a guard to do anything more is asking for 
trouble.  The only guard worth anything is at an invisible point located 
where a perpendicular from the center of the safety glasses meets a line 
between the two parts of your hearing protection.

I do find it curious that the people who keep saying they never see 
adequate training, etc are people who sell that sort of thing...
Hmmm... Coincidence?  I wonder???


Stuart


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Message-ID: <45A6B791.6060801 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:17:53 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
References: <list-41008480 [at] prxy.net> <list-41008708 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41008708 [at] prxy.net>

Stephen Litterst wrote:

>> Also, our lobby doesn't have a good way to tell everyone intermission is
>> over (yelling has been tried, separate PA's, etc. All a pain) was
>> thinking of a LOUD door bell (remote kind). Think cheap, fast, and easy
>> here (and then think about an economical solution..... ba doom cha.
> 
> Can you flicker the lights?  I've been in several venues where that was 
> the signal for the end of intermission.  Or just buy a cheap set of 
> bells/chimes to ring by hand.
> 
> Steve L.
   I've always thought that walking around while striking a 3-4 note 
chime was always kind of elegant, cheap, and theatrical.  Even a 
volunteer ticket taker can do it, but a costumed Waiting Person would 
lend a nice touch.

Chip

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Message-ID: <45A6B9F9.3090400 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:28:09 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
References: <list-41017098 [at] prxy.net> <list-41018035 [at] prxy.net> <list-41018442 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41018442 [at] prxy.net>

Delbert Hall wrote:

> The Stephen C. O'Connell Center at the University of Flordia, home of
> the NCAA Nation Football and Basketball champions 

Go Gators!!  OSU should have ended up ranked behind Boise State.  Big 
Ten = Little 4 and minus 6.

Chip

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Message-ID: <45A6BAFE.9080601 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:32:30 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
References: <list-41018589 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41018589 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Brubaker wrote:

> No inflatable roof on the new stadium, either.  Big, honking retractable.

> 
The brand new U of PHX Stadium where the best 3 bowls were just held 
also has a retractable roof, but despite perfect AZ winter weather, 
remained closed for all of them !????  Why did I have to pay for the 
retractable part?

Chip



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Message-ID: <b7318c480701111446u720747f2t6455874601d28a7b [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:46:09 -0500
From: "Delbert Hall" <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates
In-Reply-To: <list-41102755 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41017098 [at] prxy.net> <list-41018035 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-41018442 [at] prxy.net> <list-41102755 [at] prxy.net>

Chip,

I would have ranked OSU behind Boise State too, but they did not ask me.

I wondered why they kept opening and closing the retractable roof
during the game.  I figured it was just to show-off the fact that it
it worked.

The retractactable dome at the baseball stadium in Toronto is pretty
cool.  I took a tour of it several years ago and got to watch it open
and close from both inside and from the CN Tower next door (great
view).

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:58:42 -0500
From: Greg Williams <gwilliams [at] appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-reply-to: <list-41102422 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <7484E9C5-5201-4788-93C8-C93F782A8FEB [at] appstate.edu>
References: <list-41008480 [at] prxy.net> <list-41008708 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-41102422 [at] prxy.net>


On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Chip Wood wrote:

>   I've always thought that walking around while striking a 3-4 note  
> chime was always kind of elegant, cheap, and theatrical.  Even a  
> volunteer ticket taker can do it, but a costumed Waiting Person  
> would lend a nice touch.
>
> Chip

Several years ago our director bought one of those 4-note chime  
units, and just before intermission the box office or usher staff  
would walk around chiming 3 of the notes (think NBC TV chime). This  
worked well until I showed a few of them that you could easily play  
the "the horses are in the gates" horse racing theme with it. Seemed  
to make more sense to me for what we were really after, moving the  
bodies back into the auditorium.

-=Greg Williams=-
Production Manager
Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University

www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine  
- c'mon and ride with us!



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Message-ID: <45A6C49C.5030105 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:13:32 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:

>> Anywho, for our lobby signaling, we use a wireless doorbell, with the 
>> low-frequency metal clapper-bar-thingy removed, so it goes 'ding,' with no 
>> 'dong.'
> 
> See!?!  There *IS* a difference!  I just did a Q/D sound design that needed
> a doorbell, and I wanted to go with just one tone.  The director asked if
> it would just ding, and I said, "No, it'll just dong".  He gave me the
> strangest look, and so did everyone else in the doorbell aisle at Home
> Despot.  

I did my Ph.D dissertation, a millennium ago, on the Pitch of Vowels. 
The /i/ in "ding" is pitched higher than the /o/ in "dong"  due to the 
smaller constriction of the tongue to mouth roof and forcing the Larynx 
and sub-glottal air pressure to work harder.  This in turn makes the 
vocal folds tighten up and raises pitch.

So all humans know that "ding" is higher pitched than "dong".

Chip

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:16:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-Reply-To: <list-41104178 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701112315320.25336 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net> <list-41104178 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Chip Wood wrote:

> So all humans know that "ding" is higher pitched than "dong".

Always wondered why it wasn't called dink-dong

C

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:28:05 GMT
Subject: Re: New questions
Message-Id: <20070111.152853.8266.1077321 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com>

Dear Charlie,
Because the word 'dink' is used as a demographic term meaning 'Double =

Income - No Kids'. DINKs are sought out by advertisers because they =

allegedly have higher disposable incomes and the time to spend it.
/s/ Richard
_____________________

> Always wondered why it wasn't called dink-dong

C
 


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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:25:01 -0500
Subject: Re: For those of you with some spare time on your hands
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1CC3F8D.1598D%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <15703296.1168530654389.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

You should get 5 students to operate ten DVD's. That should work! :)

Glad to know nothing changes.

-H

On 1/11/07 10:21 AM, "Mike Katz" <narishkup [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thanks Herrick, Iam in the midst of a Tommy Defrantz directed IAP show
> with 10 video screens on top of a big set. All the screens need to be
> able to see the same image or each one needs to be able to display its
> own,  Watchout and medialon are wayyy out of our price range. I am
> looking at the possibility of 10 RS232 Dvds controlled by SFX.  OY
> Mike

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:43:21 -0500
Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1CC43D9.17F7A%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41101343 [at] prxy.net>

It's easy to sit around on this forum and discuss this kind of situation,
but being out there in the real world can be challenging at times.  It most
certainly can be intimidating.  I recently had an experience where I was
hired to do a job and then not allowed to do it properly.  I won't go into
details but the bottom line was that my choices were to either walk off the
job or stay and do the best I could.  This was a safety related project.  I
elected to stay.  The job went fine and alls well that ends well.  But that
was a one shot deal.  For the roundsling question I'd like to answer Bruce's
hypothetical questions.


On 1/11/07 4:47 PM, "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> 
> Not a rigger, but the question that gnaws at me is: What
> alternatives do you have?
> Off hand I can think of the following:
> 
> 1] Refuse to hang it and go home - let them scramble to find someone
> else and put it up anyway?

Saying no and walking away is just not helpful.  You should always have a
solution.

> 2] Remove and inspect the Spanset, and if you deem it safe to use,
> then go ahead?

I wouldn't if I were you.  Are you qualified to do that per the OSHA
requirements?  Do you really want that kind of liability hanging (sorry)
over you?

> 3] Insist on using different spansets? Assuming they HAVE extras, how
> do you know they haven't been treated the same way in the past?

I would assume that they have been treated poorly and not use them.

> 4] Provide your own personal Spansets that you have confidence in?

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!.  If you are the venue then you should
have a stock of emergency 'stuff' in a closet somewhere.  Some roundslings.
A spool of aircraft cable.  Steel slings.  Cable cutters and swaging
tools/gauges/sleeves, etc.  Or have an arrangement with a nearby vendor that
could supply you with the gear.

This is a pet peeve of mine.  Venues that do shows all the time but have
NOTHING on hand.  Nor do they have a deal with a vendor that would have the
gear.  If you are in the business you gotta be prepared to do the business,
ya know?

If you have the gear then you can avoid looking like the local bully.
Saying no, with rational reasoning, and then handing them an alternative
(and not getting greedy with the rental price) can even make you look good
sometimes.

Just my $.02.  YMMV

Bill S
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile






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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701111712s41e5fd3evfce9af2f38471c33 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:12:59 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-Reply-To: <list-41104715 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41104715 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/11/07, ladesigners [at] juno.com <ladesigners [at] juno.com> wrote:

 Dear Charlie,
> Because the word 'dink' is used as a demographic term meaning 'Double
> Income - No Kids'. DINKs are sought out by advertisers because they
> allegedly have higher disposable incomes and the time to spend it.

This SIMK (Single Income, Many Kids) is jealous of the DINKs.
Espcially when I have to be a TJMK (Two jobs, many Kids).

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] themunroes.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:46:29 -0500
From: PatrickMcCreary <vze2gmht [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: students and miter saws
In-reply-to: <list-41106776 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <6.1.2.0.0.20070111200633.01a22e08 [at] incoming.verizon.net>
References: <list-41101343 [at] prxy.net> <list-41106776 [at] prxy.net>



I teach Intro to Theater - and Stagecraft, Advanced Stagecraft, and 
Lighting classes. The thing I DON'T understand is the apparent requirement 
for an Intro student to work in the shop.
I won't let ANYONE use my power tools before they've been taught how to use 
them BY ME, the first day of stagecraft involves a lecture on proper dress, 
(goggles, no loose sleeves below the elbow, if you lean forward and can see 
your necklace it needs to be tucked, taped, or removed, shoes must have 
toes and backs, etc.).
I've had Intro students come into the shop for extra credit, but they never 
use the tools without proper instruction, and are admonished as such VERY 
sternly.
If the requirement for an Introduction to Theater student to work in the 
shop is some kind of departmental policy, then the school SHOULD be sued. 
I'm sorry, but that's just plain CRAZY.

'Nuff said.

Patrick

G. Patrick McCreary
Assistant Professor, Technical Director
Department of Theater and Dance
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Indiana,        PA      15705
724-357-2644 


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Message-ID: <003101c735eb$fae4bdf0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: New questions
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:50:04 -0800

> They all started wandering away, however, when we started picking
> up blister-packs and shaking them, lookig for just the right dong.


Clive, I believe this is your cue...

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 

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Message-ID: <45A6FC1A.7060908 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:10:18 -0500
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Reply-To:  sdwheaton [at] fuse.net
Subject: Re: students and miter saws
References: <list-41101343 [at] prxy.net> <list-41106776 [at] prxy.net> <list-41108344 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41108344 [at] prxy.net>

PatrickMcCreary wrote:
> 
> I teach Intro to Theater - and Stagecraft, Advanced Stagecraft, and 
> Lighting classes. The thing I DON'T understand is the apparent 
> requirement for an Intro student to work in the shop.

They have to start sometime.  Maybe what you call intro is not what 
others call intro, maybe other places just plain need the labor force 
that the intro class provides.

> I won't let ANYONE use my power tools before they've been taught how to 
> use them BY ME, the first day of stagecraft involves a lecture on proper 
> dress, (goggles, no loose sleeves below the elbow, if you lean forward 
> and can see your necklace it needs to be tucked, taped, or removed, 
> shoes must have toes and backs, etc.).

Absolutely, and after they get the right training, why shouldn't they 
get shop time?

> I've had Intro students come into the shop for extra credit, but they 
> never use the tools without proper instruction, and are admonished as 
> such VERY sternly.

Yeah, so...

> If the requirement for an Introduction to Theater student to work in the 
> shop is some kind of departmental policy, then the school SHOULD be 
> sued. I'm sorry, but that's just plain CRAZY.

You have made no case at all to support this claim.  At best, I would 
summarize your case as, "At our school, the Intro to theatre students 
are not needed as labor and not required to work in the shop, and 
therefore we don't train them for it.  When one comes into the shop we 
must take special precautions to protect ourselves and the student."

You are making unfounded assumptions about what the class is and what it 
entails.  Just because your institution has a class with a similar name 
does not mean they learn the same stuff.

A related pet peeve of mine...Did anyone ever get a resume from a recent 
graduate that listed all their classes by number only.  (THEA 287,  Oh 
yeah, that tells me a bunch...)

Stuart

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Message-ID: <f23a0f840701111857w75d71ba5lb2bfdf02afa5addd [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:57:40 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New questions
In-Reply-To: <list-41108433 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41097995 [at] prxy.net> <list-41108433 [at] prxy.net>

> > They all started wandering away, however, when we started picking
> > up blister-packs and shaking them, lookig for just the right dong.
>
>
> Clive, I believe this is your cue...

I didn't know Clive sold pharmaceuticals to take care of
blister-packed dongs...what's his email again?  The resources on this
list never cease to amaze me...

Erm...it's for a friend with a particularly bad...blister pack.  Yeah.

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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
References: <list-41017098 [at] prxy.net> <list-41018035 [at] prxy.net> <list-41018442 [at] prxy.net> <list-41102755 [at] prxy.net> <list-41103298 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: RE: Inflated stadium roof deflates
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:00:39 -0700
Message-ID: <002001c735f5$e5630540$6501a8c0 [at] doom1>
In-Reply-To: <list-41103298 [at] prxy.net>

Del: my inspection of the stadium did not reveal all the wonder you found,
but who knew? doom

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From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert
Hall
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:46 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates

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Chip,

I would have ranked OSU behind Boise State too, but they did not ask me.

I wondered why they kept opening and closing the retractable roof
during the game.  I figured it was just to show-off the fact that it
it worked.

The retractactable dome at the baseball stadium in Toronto is pretty
cool.  I took a tour of it several years ago and got to watch it open
and close from both inside and from the CN Tower next door (great
view).

-Delbert

-- 
Delbert L. Hall
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
423-773-4255


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Message-ID: <45A6FF7E.30502 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:24:46 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in
 accident)
References: <list-41090021 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41090021 [at] prxy.net>

Robert Johnson wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I have just taken over the shop and am in the process of getting its
> standards up to speed.
>
> One of the things missing is signage pointing out safety issues.
>
> What are some things those on the list think are necessary when it comes to
> safety. I have a fairly standard wood shop. Radial arm saw, table saw, 10"
> miter saw, air stapler, band saw. No real metal work area but I do have a
> chop saw and grinder.
>
> Robert Johnson
> Technical Director
> Concordia College
>
> (218) 299-3821
> rojohnso [at] cord.edu 
>
>
>
>
>   


   Signs on the door(s) to enter.    Eye and hearing protection.   ( 
Have safety glasses and earmuffs available just inside the door.  Paint 
them some garish, clashing, tacky colors to reduce their vapor 
pressure.  Budget to purchase new ones annually.   ) 
   On the wall, in large easy to read letters.  Danger:  The equipment 
in this room can be dangerous if used improperly.  Do not use anything 
if you have not been trained in proper use.  If you think something is 
dangerous, stop immediately and ask questions.  Yes, this means 
everyone, including you. 
   Have a documentable training program, and keep the damn records up.   
Easiest is to just buy some videos that cover the specific tools you 
have, and then a paper signoff sheet for each person certifying that 
they have watched the video and understand the safe use of [whatever] 
tool.    That way you can do the whole class at once at the beginning of 
each semester or year, and the absent or oddball folks can watch the 
videos on their own time.  

  --Dale


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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20070111212407.0201a198 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:26:52 -0600
From: Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Subject: USITT Electrical Workshop - March 2007

I posted this last November, so for those of you who saw this before, 
please forgive the duplication.
-----
At the USITT Annual Conference and Stage Expo this coming March in Phoenix, 
the USITT Engineering Commission has put together a wide variety of 
informative and educational sessions.  Among these is another edition of 
the USITT Electrical Workshop.

The USITT Engineering Commission has presented an Electrical Workshop at 
LDI each year since 2001, and has presented workshops at the 1991 USITT 
Conference in Boston and 2001 USITT Conference in Long Beach.

This 2-day workshop is designed to give participants an understanding of 
electricity, accepted methods of power tie-in, portable power feeder system 
usage, and associated topics, including the National Electrical Code, NFPA 
70E Standard for Electrical Safety Requirements for Employee Workplaces, 
necessary Personal Protection Equipment, and how to avoid accidents and 
injury when using electrical systems and equipment.

The 2006 event at LDI was an oversold 2-day event, so if you missed the 
opportunity to attend in October, you have a chance to hone your electrical 
knowledge and skills in Phoenix on March 12 and 13, 2007 - for half the 
cost!  And you will receive a copy of the NFPA 70E. Conference registration 
is not required.  Go to http://www.usitt.org/CaSE/PDWs.html to sign up.

. . .
------------------------------------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter

Office:  Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company
     mhefter  [at]  genlytecontrols.com   +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967
http://www.etdimming.com  ::  http://www.vari-lite.com



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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:40:31 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: New questions
References: <list-41084330 [at] prxy.net> <list-41085652 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41085652 [at] prxy.net>

Jon Ares wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>> I had the same problem at my last venue.  I found that the air 
>> handlers themselves had a 3 position switch which allowed me to set 
>> it to manual rather than auto.  I just had to remember to switch back 
>> to auto at the end of the evening.
>>
>
>
> Wish I could do such a thing - there are NO switches, overrides, 
> thermostats, nothing in the building.  Nada.  Nuttin.  The 
> thermostatic sensors (in the larger spaces) are nothing more than 
> small bumps on the wall - no controls, buttons, switches, etc.  About 
> the only control I would have is hitting the breakers in the 
> electrical room.
>
> At least the old building had thermostats with 2 hour overrides.  Now, 
> everything is controlled via an online monitoring system.  (Heaven 
> forbid the power go out at either the District Operations Center, or 
> at my end.)
>
>     - Jon Ares
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
>
>
>
  well, if you need to fool the sensors, shining a light just below the 
thermostat to get more cool in the hot weather, and rigging a small fan 
with a damp cloth to get more heat in the cold weather work. 

  --Dale

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:59:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Safty Signage was:(RE: Student sues college over injuries in accident)
In-Reply-To: <list-41110927 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <117942.55008.qm [at] web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net> wrote:
> Easiest is to just buy some videos that cover the
> specific tools you 
> have, and then a paper signoff sheet for each person
> certifying that 
> they have watched the video and understand the safe
> use of [whatever] 
> tool.

Anyone have recommendations of any videos like this?
Especially if they are not a low or mid budget version
that high schools students will think are ridiculously
cheesy.

Thanks,
Mike Heinicke

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Message-ID: <45A708C1.1090505 [at] twcny.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:04:17 -0500
From: "Ish [at] twcny.rr.com" <ish [at] twcny.rr.com>
Subject: Looking for places to post contest

My Theater is doing a one act play writing contest... but due to 
limitations of manpower, and some grant restrictions, are restricting 
the contest to NY State residents...

I'm looking for the best places that I might post the notices?

I guess many notices were sent out to newspapers around NY State... but 
I'm looking for electronic places to post...

Anyone?

(in case anyone on the list in NY is interested, the notice is below - 
feel free to share it with others in NY State...)

Thanks... Jeffrey

Rome Community Theater

NY 2007 One Act Play Contest

Rome Community Theater (RCT) is now accepting entries for its 2007 New 
York One Act Play Competition.  The Theater invites playwrights from all 
across NY to submit their unpublished, original works by March 31st, 
2007 for consideration. The winning entry will be produced, as 
submitted, by the Rome Community Theater. Entries must be original, 
previously unpublished works with a performance time not to exceed an 
estimated 45 minutes.  The themes and language of the production should 
be suitable for general audiences.  More information about the contest, 
such as specific contest rules and entry forms are available at the RCT 
website: www.romecommunitytheater.org 
<http://www.romecommunitytheater.org/>.  The website will also host a 
list of contest winners.

There is no limit to the number of entries per author, but each entry 
must be submitted individually.  All entries must be accompanied by a 
signed, completed contest entry form and release statement (forms 
available on the RCT website), along with the entry fee of $5.00 for 
each play submitted.  Entries will be judged in several areas such as 
originality, theme, and plot, the production's suitability for general 
audiences and production requirements.  Entries must be postmarked by 
March 31, 2007 and mailed to: Rome Community Theater, Attn: 2007 One-Act 
Play Contest, P.O. Box 91, Rome, New York 13442-0091.

Established in 1953, the Rome Community Theater (RCT) is now enjoying 
its 53rd season.  Through the years, RCT has provided a showcase for 
thousands of talented area residents who share a love and appreciation 
for the dramatic arts. RCT has had the privilege of sending numerous 
One-Act Plays to State and National competitions where they have won 
numerous accolades and awards for its actors, directors and technical 
staff.  Located on Route 26 just north of Rome, NY, RCT stages a regular 
season of 4 full productions, regular one-act play festivals, musical 
reviews, workshops and children's productions.

RCT is chartered by New York State as a non-profit educational 
institution, dedicated to providing quality theatrical education and 
entertainment to the entire community.  RCT is a member of the Theater 
Association of New York State, for more information, check the RCT 
website: www.romecommunitytheater.org 
<http://www.romecommunitytheater.org/>.

Rome Community Theater
Jeffrey Isherwood (RomeCommunityTheater [at] gmail.com)
Member of the Board & Head of PR/Publicity
Upper Turin Rd, Rome, NY 13440




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Message-ID: <c9f556360701112023t139477e6xb0306322e56e160f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:23:48 -0600
From: "Tim Catlett" <catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident
In-Reply-To: <list-41086357 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41065767 [at] prxy.net> <list-41086357 [at] prxy.net>

Hi all,

I feel the need to clarify my position. I am not in any way blaming
the Mr. Hawkins completely for his accident. I am merely being
skeptical of the motivations, conditions, and claims that have been
presented thus far. It is very likely that the university theatre
department did not do EVERYTHING that they could have done, but this
does not mean that it is automatically their fault the accident
happened. I believe that in any accident there is blame to be laid on
almost everyone present in one way or another but I reject any attempt
by the lawyers in this case to, as someone has stated before, "cast a
wide net, hoping to catch some fish." My call to the firm representing
Mr. Hawkins has indicated to me that this is the case. The most
important information we have NOT heard in this case is the statements
from the professor, the shop supervisor, the risk management people
from the university, etc. HOW this accident happened is the critical
information. It is a tragedy that this young man has been disfigured
but it does no good for him or anyone else to blanketly disclaim
personal responsibility.

Also, I teach High School theatre, and have done so for over 10 years.
It must be understood that "because I said so" is often the most
appropriate way to get something to stop, particularly if that
something is unsafe behavior. My students know, because a culture of
safety has been established, that if I tell them to stop doing
something then they are absolutely required to do it without
discussion or argument. If they wish to discuss or argue then they
also know that they are free to do so at any later time other than IN
the situation. This methodology is not applied to "Please, take out
the trash." or any other mundane and routine tasks, but instead to
situations which are prone to danger by nature. This would include any
work being done in our scene shop, with the counterweight system, with
moving scenery of any kind, with the stage traps, etc.

The critical difference here is that Mr. Hawkins is legally an adult
and as such is legally capable of making decisions that will affect
his own personal well-being and safety. Warned or not, placing an arm
in the path of a rotating saw blade is a dangerous act that falls
within the boundaries of common sense. Furthermore, if, as Mr. Hawkins
states, there was inadequate supervision, training, etc. then he had a
duty to himself to decline participation until a remedy could be
found.

I do not find it to be "glaringly obvious" that reasonable attempts to
ensure the safety of the students were made. In fact, if anything, in
this case it is glaringly obvious that nothing is glaringly obvious.
Also, if we are to resort to making determinations about what is or is
not glaringly obvious then I would suggest inserting ones own flesh in
the path of the blade as one extreme of a rubric for the measurement
of the same.

I am not exonerating the theatre department of the university in this
incident until I am able to hear their side of the story as well. Any
theatre department, at any level, has a responsibility to foster a
culture of safety that will be self-perpetuating. That is the
philosophy of USITT and it is Dr. Doom's philosophy as well. I have
taken up Doom's pet project of keeping every student safe in secondary
education theatre through ISETSA (International Secondary Education
Theatre Health & Safety Association). I have been called to action
through my friendship with Randy and I believe that safety is
something that must be taken seriously. However, safety and health in
our industry is a two way street. I will argue vehemently against
anyone who claims that the employer or the owner of a shop is ALWAYS
at fault for ANY injury occurring in their workplace. Employees and
participants MUST take responsibility for their own actions as well.
This is the definition of an appropriate safety culture, wherein all
parties are equal participants and supervisors.

-- 
Tim Catlett
Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama
Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare
Director of Outreach/Membership  - ISETSA (International Secondary
Education Theatre Health & Safety Association)
Cell: 414.975.4424
EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com

On 1/11/07, Philip Johnson <Philip.Johnson [at] tamucc.edu> wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> There is a great danger here in this blame the student attitude I see people
> posting.  While it is easy to blame the accident on the student and say they
> could have walked away, so many times our students don't know they have the
> option.  They are raised with a mentality that they have to do what a
> teacher says and there is no room for discussion. If we think of all the
> times our students, during their high school careers are faced with the "
> because I said so" response to their questions, it becomes apparent how this
> kind of situation could occur. When they come to college they think this
> still applies to how they are to do things. Perhaps the student didn't know
> he could say no when it comes to safety. It is for this exact reason that we
> need some kind of  an empowerment statement on our safety checkouts,  "the
> student has the right to refuse to do a task if they feel it is unsafe, they
> are unfamiliar with the procedures or they need more training". It is
> glaringly obvious to me that "reasonable attempts to ensure the safety of
> the students"  may have not been made in the case of this student. That is
> the definition of negligence according to the lawyers and the courts. That
> is probably how this case got to court.
>
> On the other side, if there were proper safety procedures, signs, training
> and policies in place then this will come out in court and the school will
> be vindicated.  Having proper training for the students, documentation,
> signage, and all guides, gates and other safety devices in place will go a
> long way to protecting all of us in the event of an accident.  I know this
> first hand as I had a similar experience with the nail gun and a student
> getting stuck with a nail that hit a knot. All the safety procedures,
> training, etc paid off when the jury said no to the negligence lawsuit. I
> have to thank Doom for giving me a clue many years ago and telling me how to
> implement a safety training program and giving advice during a past USITT, I
> would have been in a different predicament.
>
> The odd fact about this lawsuit is that it may have nothing to do with the
> shop or the accident but rather the fact the school may have balked at
> payment or treatment for the student and they have medical bills.  That was
> the motivation for the student who sued me, the university wouldn't pay his
> 60 dollar doctor bill.  I am sure it cost more than 60 dollars to have a rep
> from the state of Texas come down and represent the state, the president of
> the university, the university and me in the lawsuit. It's kind of funny the
> way people have to resort to lawsuits to get any relief.
>
> I'll get down of the soapbox now
>
> --
> Philip Johnson
> Professor of Theatre
> Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi

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