Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41122818; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:02:20 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41122816; Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:02:20 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1086 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 03:01:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1086 1. Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College by "Tim Catlett" 2. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by MissWisc [at] aol.com 3. Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident by "Tim Catlett" 4. Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates by "Susan Nicholson" 5. Re: stacking truss on spansets by Bruce Purdy 6. Re: Looking for places to post contest by Bruce Purdy 7. Re: New questions by "Bill Nelson" 8. Re: Safety Signage by "Bill Nelson" 9. Re: students and miter saws by "Bill Nelson" 10. Re: Safety Signage by Josh Ratty *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:44:34 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Steven E. Hawkins v. The Waynesburg College In-Reply-To: References:

In an effort to throw more oil on this fire... In Ohio recently, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that a KFC franchise's petition to deny worker's comp claims for an employee who was severely burned while cleaning a pressure cooker. The cliff's notes version is thus: Employee of KFC was cleaning a pressure cooker by boiling water in it, ignoring repeated warnings not to do this. The warnings came in many forms including direct instruction, coworker/supervisory warnings, signage, operations manuals, and employee handbook warnings. KFC franchise claims that the employee "abandoned his job by flouting the safety rules" thus making him no longer an employee when the injury happened. The Industrial Commission of Ohio (ICO) agreed. The employee sued with the result that the lower Court ruled in favor of the ICO. The employee took the case to the Appeals Court which overturned the lower Court's decision. The case then went to the Ohio Supreme Court which overruled the Appeals Court decision by a 5-2 margin. The majority stated that the employee violated his employment agreement and forfeited his job by ignoring safety instructions: "[The employee] willfully ignored repeated warnings not to engage in the proscribed conduct, yet still wishes to ascribe his behavior to simple negligence or inadvertence." None of this is without controversy (as I am sure we will see on this very list), with the primary complaint being that this flies in the face of long practiced worker's compensation tenets of finding no-fault. I think that the parallels are somewhat obvious here assuming that the Waynesburg theatre department engaged in any training on the miter saw. Again, waiting and watching. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 00:28:31 EST Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com writes: The critical difference here is that Mr. Hawkins is legally an adult and as such is legally capable of making decisions that will affect his own personal well-being and safety. Warned or not, placing an arm in the path of a rotating saw blade is a dangerous act that falls within the boundaries of common sense. Furthermore, if, as Mr. Hawkins states, there was inadequate supervision, training, etc. then he had a duty to himself to decline participation until a remedy could be found. The prosecution will argue that because Mr. Hawkins is a STUDENT (regardless of being a legal adult) he wouldn't have known of the dangers. "Common sense" is a learned skill. My mind thinks of the times I've worked wardrobe on touring shows and the road person says "Don't iron over the velcro, it will melt." My brain thinks "DUH!" but had it not happened in some city, she wouldn't have felt the need to reiterate it. The folks who are teaching safety (training videos are a great idea!) AND more importantly testing the students to insure they have learned the safety techniques, plus keeping those tests on file as proof of same - they are doing it right. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:38:51 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Student sues college over injuries in accident In-Reply-To: References: I would argue that, no matter what is said, the prosecution will argue. Also, I understand the designation of student and the connotations that are assumed with that moniker. However, that is for the courts to sort out. It does nothing in the way of fostering a safety culture wherein every individual is expected to be responsible for others AND for self. "Common sense" - right, I forgot the critical and most important facet of that terminology. Thanks for reminding me. I guess if it weren't for the ubiquitous lack of common sense then Jay Leno wouldn't be able to do "Headlines" on Monday nights. Also, I completely agree about the training videos. I already keep records on my students and also on my employees at Shakes but many people don't because it is hard to come up with a convenient system. I'm working on this as one of my projects for ISETSA. Hopefully I will have it available soon. Thanks Kristi, -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 1/11/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > The prosecution will argue that because Mr. Hawkins is a STUDENT (regardless > of being a legal adult) he wouldn't have known of the dangers. "Common > sense" is a learned skill. > > My mind thinks of the times I've worked wardrobe on touring shows and the > road person says "Don't iron over the velcro, it will melt." My brain thinks > "DUH!" but had it not happened in some city, she wouldn't have felt the need > to reiterate it. > > The folks who are teaching safety (training videos are a great idea!) AND > more importantly testing the students to insure they have learned the safety > techniques, plus keeping those tests on file as proof of same - they are doing > it right. > > Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:09:06 -0500 By the way, the Big Ten has 11 schools in it. (go purdue) From: Chip Wood Reply-To: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Subject: Re: Inflated stadium roof deflates Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:28:09 -0700 --------------------------------------------------- Big Ten = Little 4 and minus 6. Susan Nicholson Lighting Designer 917-621-6298 "We are the Music Makers and we are the Dreamers of the Dream"-Willy Wonka _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9DEF5F97-4048-4352-9D28-06B89E34D350 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: stacking truss on spansets Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:35:49 -0500 On 11 Jan 2007, at 19:43, Bill Sapsis wrote: > For the roundsling question I'd like to answer Bruce's > hypothetical questions. > >> 4] Provide your own personal Spansets that you have confidence in? > > Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!. If you are the venue then > you should > have a stock of emergency 'stuff' in a closet somewhere. Some > roundslings. > A spool of aircraft cable. Steel slings. Cable cutters and swaging > tools/gauges/sleeves, etc. Or have an arrangement with a nearby > vendor that > could supply you with the gear. Except that the OP was not from the venue, but rather an IA rigger hired for the gig. He was asking what HE should do. Does he own and carry his own personal collection of slings etc.? Bill, I agree with your responses to my other hypothetical solutions. My point was that "Refusing to hang it" is not the end of the story, and you have to figure what the other options are. Often it's a no-win situation with no easy answers. > This is a pet peeve of mine. Venues that do shows all the time but > have > NOTHING on hand. Nor do they have a deal with a vendor that would > have the > gear. If you are in the business you gotta be prepared to do the > business, > ya know? In a perfect world this may be true. In my own case, we have none of that gear, as we don't do any rigging in house. Once or twice a year a big show comes in and they hire a sound & Lighting company to provide the lighting trusses, Geni lifts, etc. Once every few years a show brings something that must be high rigged, and we bring in IA riggers. Given this scenario, it's not reasonable that we would have our own kit. As for having a vendor to go to, the only option that I know of in this area is the very sound / lighting contractors from Syracuse or Rochester (An hour or more away in either direction) that are likely to be working the gig already! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Looking for places to post contest Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:40:55 -0500 On 11 Jan 2007, at 23:04, Ish [at] twcny.rr.com wrote: > My Theater is doing a one act play writing contest... but due to > limitations of manpower, and some grant restrictions, are > restricting the contest to NY State residents... > > I'm looking for the best places that I might post the notices? > > I guess many notices were sent out to newspapers around NY State... > but I'm looking for electronic places to post... You might try the Theatre Association of New York State (TANYS) http://www.tanys.homestead.com/ Or possibly the Eastern States Theatre Association (ESTA) http://www.estafest.org/ Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1788.205.215.253.194.1168594916.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:41:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: New questions From: "Bill Nelson" > well, if you need to fool the sensors, shining a light just below the > thermostat to get more cool in the hot weather, and rigging a small fan > with a damp cloth to get more heat in the cold weather work. That wouldn't work in Jon's case, where the heating is not even turned on during weekends or after about 6pm on weekdays. I assume the same is true of air conditioning in the summer. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1794.205.215.253.194.1168595638.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:53:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Safety Signage From: "Bill Nelson" >> One of the things missing is signage pointing out safety issues. > > What are some things those on the list think are necessary when it comes > to safety. I have a fairly standard wood shop. Radial arm saw, table saw, > 10" miter saw, air stapler, band saw. No real metal work area but I do > have a chop saw and grinder. I have seen standard warning signs available for various pieces of power equipment, but forget where. That would be a good start for signage. Probably one of the most important is a prominent sign telling people that they are prohibited from using any power equipment until they have been checked out on the proper usage. Couple that with rigorous enforcement. Yes, how a student conducts themselves in the shop can be part of their grade, even going so far as to fail them for serious violations. I would suggest, if there is room, that you purchase a panel saw. They are much safer than a table saw for cutting large sheets of wood. As they can be set up along a wall, they do not occupy a lot of floor space. You should also have a decent drill press. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1895.205.215.253.194.1168597782.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:29:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: students and miter saws From: "Bill Nelson" > If the requirement for an Introduction to Theater student to work in the > shop is some kind of departmental policy, then the school SHOULD be sued. > I'm sorry, but that's just plain CRAZY. Why is it "crazy"? Are students less capable of learning to use power equipment safely now than they were 40 years ago? I to two years of shop classes in high school. The first was my freshman year. I used all the equipment you find in the usual theatre shop and more, such as planers and jointers. So I was 4 years younger than a freshman in college, yet managed fine. And I was doing much more precise work than you find in normal set construction. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:58:46 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Safety Signage In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <008101c73638$a1ca32c0$0302a8c0 [at] Rattys> One good place to look for tool safety signage is from the manufacturer of the tool itself. Last scene shop I was in had signs (albeit ones that had been up forever and blended into the wall) hung near the radial arm saws and were from Delta themselves. The nice thing about having the signs right near the tool is that as you are preparing you cut list, material and whatnot you can just glance up and it might be that one reminder you need to check the sleeves of your shirt or just be that little guy on your shoulder reminding you that you are using a potentially dangerous tool. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1086 ******************************