Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41242498; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:02:44 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41242497; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:02:43 -0800 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1090 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:01:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1090 1. Re: New questions by Clive Mitchell 2. Re: Stephens by 3. Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Al Fitch 4. Re: Student sues by 5. Re: Student sues by Bruce Purdy 6. Re: New questions by Bruce Purdy 7. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by "Matthew Breton" 8. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by John McKernon 10. New questions by b Ricie 11. Stephens by b Ricie 12. Re: Chopsaw and safety... knowing by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 13. Blueberries by Jim Dougherty 14. Chop saw reflexes by Jim Dougherty 15. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Steve Bailey 16. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Ian Schmidt 17. Re: Chopsaw and safety... knowing by Stuart Wheaton 18. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by John McKernon 19. Re: dealing with lost passwords for complex systems by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 20. Re: dealing with lost passwords for complex systems by Jerry Durand 21. Re: Student sues by Clive Mitchell 22. Re: New questions by Clive Mitchell 23. Re: New questions by Clive Mitchell 24. Re: New questions by "Jon Ares" 25. Re: New questions by Jerry Durand 26. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Eddie Kramer 27. Theatre and PAC architects by Barney Simon 28. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by "Bill Nelson" 29. Re: New questions by "Bill Nelson" 30. Re: New questions by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 31. Slings 'n' things. by Clive Mitchell 32. Re: Student sues by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 33. Re: Theatre and PAC architects by "Delbert Hall" 34. Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by Maia Robbins-Zust 35. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Bruce Purdy 36. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by Clive Mitchell 37. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by Rigger 38. OT: Cell Phone Karma by Bruce Purdy 39. Re: Student sues by "RD" 40. Re: Student sues by "RD" 41. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 42. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by "Matthew Breton" 43. Does anyone know? by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 44. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by Bill Sapsis 45. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by John McKernon 46. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by John McKernon 47. What specials do you give concert pianos? by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 48. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by "Jeff Mabray" 49. Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? by Al Fitch 50. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? by Jerry Durand 51. lighting board specs by "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" 52. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by Al Fitch 53. Re: Slings 'n' things. by Richard Bakos 54. Re: New questions by Philip Johnson 55. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? by James Feinberg 56. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 57. Re: Slings 'n' things. by Rigger 58. Carnival Cruise techs? by Dave Marks 59. Re: Does anyone know? by "Tim Catlett" 60. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by "Steve Vanciel" 61. Re: What specials do you give concert pianos? by "Steve Vanciel" 62. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by "Jon Ares" 63. Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 64. Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:40:13 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: New questions References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bruce Purdy writes > Pretty high tech. Trouble is the only manual I've ever been able >to come up with is a huge looseleaf binder that covers installation of >the system and you have to have a degree in HVAC to understand any of >it. To change any settings you need to punch in an access code, and no >one has any idea what that code is! (Over the years and changes in >personnel no one ever passed the information along or wrote it down.) They may never have had the access code in the first place. You can do a lot of harm by dabbling with the parameters of any equipment like this. Unless you understood the system inside out it would be the equivalent of poking random values into a machine code program. The real question is... Did the guys that installed it actually know what they were doing? And has it already been "adjusted" by a "facilities management" companies semi-skilled dabblers. Sometimes I think it would be so much more reliable and ecologically sound if they made stuff like this straightforward and simple again. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000801c737df$cc265f50$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re: Stephens Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:27:53 -0600 Organization: Minnesota Ballet >>Yes we were. course load, required shop hours, weekend work, homework and on top of it all part/full time jobs (needed that money thing). And don't forget getting teased by the Mizzou theater students when hanging out at the Burg. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070114134041.30349.qmail [at] web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:40:41 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board In-Reply-To: During tech last week I had a number of lights that would stay up after a blackout although they were recorded as being at zero in the cue. They were not captured so rel did not work. I did some digging in the system and found that these lights were set to "Independent" I don't understand Independent and how it is useful or if that has anything to do with the lights behavior but I suspect it has everything to with it. Can anyone give me the digest version of why this is? Thanks, Al Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c737e2$4152caf0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re:Student sues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:45:29 -0600 Organization: Minnesota Ballet While I believe that the lawyer is placing blame on the school for not training the student enough, can a teenager then sue his drivers ed teacher when he gets into an accident? It does depend alot on the condition of the saw. The first time I used one of those radial miter saws it scared me to death. The dual action of going up/down plus the action of going push/pull takes a bit of getting used to, when all you've seen before is the up/down miter saws. Kenneth Pogin Production Manager Minnesota Ballet ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Student sues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:39:33 -0500 On 14 Jan 2007, at 08:45, productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org wrote: > While I believe that the lawyer is placing blame on the school for > not training the student enough, can a teenager then sue his > drivers ed teacher when he gets into an accident? If the teacher told him to - or even allowed him to - drive the car with no supervision, and without any lessons, then yes, probably so. Did he have "insufficient" training on the saw, or none at all? Just one of the MANY unanswered questions that prevent ANY of us from truly judging the case! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <0BBC89E6-3128-4820-96AF-68E598CC43E5 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: New questions Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:54:09 -0500 On 14 Jan 2007, at 04:04, Bill Nelson wrote: > There should be some way to reset the access code to a default > value. If > you cannot find it in the manual, contact the manufacturer. At > worst, they > would have to send a technician to do the resetting. I once tried to contact Trane (The manufacturer) to try and obtain a basic users' manual, and assistance with the code situation. I was b;own off, and told to contact an authorised dealer. I did so, and they were decidedly unhelpful as well. I put the issue on the back burner to pay attention to more pressing issues. And Clive Mitchell wrote: > They may never have had the access code in the first place. You > can do a lot of harm by dabbling with the parameters of any > equipment like this. Unless you understood the system inside out it > would be the equivalent of poking random values into a machine code > program. I agree. That's why I was hoping to get some kind of an intelligible manual. The system "Works OK", so it's likely best left alone, but there is one thing I'd like to adjust. The Outdoor sensor prevents the heating system from coming on if it's warm outside. Trouble is, on a warm early spring day, it may be 70 degrees outside, but only 50 inside, and the heat won't come on! I get around this by physically removing the outside sensor from it's mount, and putting it in a bucket of ice water! Improvisation - that's what theatre is all about! ;-) > > Sometimes I think it would be so much more reliable and > ecologically sound if they made stuff like this straightforward and > simple again. I'm with you there! How I long for a simple thermostat on the wall! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:22:19 -0500 Independent channels don't respond to the grand master. You can still enter and set the levels for independent channels through the key pad, cues, etc. Check to make certain you don't have a submaster or cue running on the A/B fader (this seems to be a common mistake). You might also need to write a cue as an all-fade. The manuals for the ETC boards are all online (www.etcconnection.com), and extremely helpful. and no, I'm not a representative from ETC. Matthew Breton Design for Theater and Dance >During tech last week I had a number of lights that >would stay up after a blackout although they were >recorded as being at zero in the cue. They were not >captured so rel did not work. > >I did some digging in the system and found that these >lights were set to "Independent" > >I don't understand Independent and how it is useful or >if that has anything to do with the lights behavior >but I suspect it has everything to with it. > >Can anyone give me the digest version of why this is? > >Thanks, > >Al > >Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:26:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c737f0$5af6f040$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Check to make certain you don't have a submaster or cue > running on the A/B > fader (this seems to be a common mistake). ...Or the C/D fader, if you're using A/B to run the show. Also make sure that no channels or dimmers are parked. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:50:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I don't understand Independent and how it is useful or > if that has anything to do with the lights behavior > but I suspect it has everything to with it. Independent is great for situations where you have a light that needs to stay up (such as a channel that someone is trying to fix or focus) no matter what the cues are doing. Another case where it's useful is if your house lights are on the board and you want to put them at a glow during tech rehearsals but you don't want them recorded into cues that way. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: New questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <901097.80570.qm [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> >>To change any settings you need to punch in an access code, and > no one has any idea what that code is! (Over the years and changes in > personnel no one ever passed the information along or wrote it down.) >There should be some way to reset the access code to a default value. If you cannot find it in the manual, contact the manufacturer. At worst, they would have to send a technician to do the resetting.<< I once had to use a College truck, after hours, to pick up something or other. The truck was very low on fuel when I picked it up, and facilities was closed. There was supposed to be a Key for the gas pump, but of course it was not on the key ring I had. What to do? I went to the pump, on a whim I punched 1234* into the keypad on the pump and "whirr", the pump started and I filled the truck. I have since had great luck with that little code, and have gotten past many a locked door using 1234*. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:57:12 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Stephens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <588895.28079.qm [at] web50611.mail.yahoo.com> >>And then there was the co-ed jello wrestling team. Yeah we know Brian...we know.<< The best part was during the semi-finals when they would add the little fruit bits. I could work up an appetite and satisfy it all at once. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <9655799.1168790286133.JavaMail.? [at] fh037.dia.cp.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:58:06 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Chopsaw and safety... knowing >How does one know that one does not know? < Nope... actually, I'm oldish. That aside, what I meant by the above question can perhaps be somewhat described by an experinece I had with a shop carpenter. He was happily sawing away with a Bosch saber saw... using an air nozzle to blow sawdust away from the blade as the saw makes a lot of dust due to length of the blade throw. I walked over to him, waited patiently in the corner of his vision until he stopped cutting (as I am want to do when I wish to communicate with someone operating a power tool). He looked at me quizzically as I threw a small switch on the side of the saw and told him he could put the air nozzle away The saw had a built in blower. He had been using thte air nozzle techinique for over two years. He had been using Bosch saws longer than that. At some point, Bosch incoporated a blower into the saw, Granted he could have read the new manual (if it was around) and found out about the blower, but what would lead him to seek out the manual for a tool he had been using for years? Why would he ask if there was a blower now built into the saw? How could he know he did not know? In the same light, if I don't know about a suglect... say sound... how can I know what questions to ask? I can know basic stuff, but I can't know all the questions I have. If a student has always accepted that teachers are in charge, an idea reinforced by the teachers themselves, how are they to know that, in this instance, they can tell the teacher "No"? <> I don' gots no syllabus... ...But maam... Miss Lolene.... me n' th' boys, we jus' wants' to thank ya fer puttin' on a show." Not sure where that came from but I better cut down on the white sugar. Laters, Paul "The corridor is electrified," Tom said haltingly. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <90d6f438a829261dc4dec9a178d41da4 [at] middlebury.edu> From: Jim Dougherty Subject: Blueberries Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:05:41 -0500 Recently in Vermont, we got dried blueberries at Cosco (N of Burlington). They're tasty dry, and can be reconstituted to make them a bit easier to chew. They keep without refrigeration and come in one of those handy ziploc-after-opened bags. They also don't turn your pancakes purple like the frozen or canned ones. Fresh rules, but we're a ways away from that. The other suggestions are of course perfectly appropriate too - just another choice. The marshmallows sound fun. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Jim Dougherty Subject: Chop saw reflexes Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:23:57 -0500 CB wrote: > what if the sleeve was contacting the blade *when* the > power was turned on? and the kid just left it there while the motor worked up the speed to tear parts off his arm? If that's the case, then I'm sorry that it didn't finish the job and chlorify the gene pool. Reflexes that slow (without the aid of mind-altering substances) are criminally dangerous. Here, I have to disagree a bit - the saws get up to full speed in tiny fractions of a second, faster than the tenth of a second or more it would take someone who's expecting to be in that particular race. The reaction time of someone whose attention was focused on cutting wood with a saw would be slower still, to say nothing of someone who was thinking about something unrelated altogether. Also, the saws at startup don't have the power to perhaps cut through the fabric instead of pulling the material in. A lot of the kickbacks in my experience happened when the saw was just starting up and something was in contact with the blade, or had been turned off and was still spinning. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard someone say in regards to a power tool was that if they started to touch the blade they'd just quick pull out of the way, sort of like an internal Sawstop. In most of the accounts I've read or witnessed, the victim had already been injured and looked to see the damage - even before any pain had set in. They were checking to see what _had_ happened, not what _was_ happening, and they knew the news wasn't going to be good. These weren't students fulfilling required shop hours, these were professional woodworkers and technicians. I would put the Darwinian burden on people not paying attention to dangerous tasks, not a lack of reflexes. We have a policies similar to those mentioned here - students can say 'no' to tasks they're not comfortable doing, and there are no dumb questions about something we're asking them to do. Also, if they aren't feeling well, they should tell us at the top of the day. There's always _something_ that needs to be painted black. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <15134DE1EA20CF4BA1F473FADAC653AC50955F [at] cassini.BrooklynCollege.local> From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:26:20 -0500 -----Original Message----- > I don't understand Independent and how it is useful or > if that has anything to do with the lights behavior > but I suspect it has everything to with it. John Mckernon wrote: >Independent is great for situations where you have a light that needs to stay up (such as a channel that someone is trying to fix or focus) no matter what the cues are doing. Another case where it's useful is if your house lights are on the board and you want to put them at a glow during tech rehearsals but you don't want them recorded into cues that way.< Just curious if the Obsession uses Independent the way Express/ion uses Park, as what John is describing is called Park in the Express/ion series. Independent on Express/ion allows a channel to operate independently of the GM and BO button. It's an attribute most often used with ML's and scrollers, etc... Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:35:34 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board In-reply-to: Message-id: <45AA5BD6.80902 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: I don't understand Independent and how it is useful or >> if that has anything to do with the lights behavior >> but I suspect it has everything to with it. John Mckernon wrote: >> Independent is great for situations where you have a light that needs to >> > stay up (such as a channel that someone is trying to fix or focus) no matter > what the cues are doing. Another case where it's useful is if your house > lights are on the board and you want to put them at a glow during tech > rehearsals but you don't want them recorded into cues that way.< > > > Just curious if the Obsession uses Independent the way Express/ion uses > Park, as what John is describing is called Park in the Express/ion series. > Independent on Express/ion allows a channel to operate independently of the > GM and BO button. It's an attribute most often used with ML's and > scrollers, etc... > > Steve Bailey > Brooklyn College > I've used the independent function whenever I have scrollers in a show. It's very useful for when you are doing channel check and programing because it allows you to, in channel check, skip those channels when pressing next or if you are programming with scrollers it is very useful when you need to do a blackout cue and you don't need the scrollers to scroll, very useful at quiet moments. Does that help? Ian -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45AA68A0.4 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:30:08 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Chopsaw and safety... knowing References: In-Reply-To: paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net wrote: > That aside, what I meant by the above question can perhaps be somewhat > described by an experinece I had with a shop carpenter. He was happily > sawing away with a Bosch saber saw... using an air nozzle to blow > sawdust away from the blade as the saw makes a lot of dust due to > length of the blade throw. I walked over to him, waited patiently in > the corner of his vision until he stopped cutting (as I am want to do > when I wish to communicate with someone operating a power tool). He > looked at me quizzically as I threw a small switch on the side of the > saw and told him he could put the air nozzle away > > The saw had a built in blower. Based upon my experience with that built-in blower, he was doing the right thing. Of course he was doing it for the wrong reason, ignorance of it's existence, rather than the right reason, it is no bueno por caca. Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:38:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Just curious if the Obsession uses Independent the way Express/ion uses > Park, as what John is describing is called Park in the Express/ion series. > Independent on Express/ion allows a channel to operate independently of the > GM and BO button. It's an attribute most often used with ML's and > scrollers, etc... Sorry, I was a bit foggy when I wrote that... Up late last night... The Obsession has Park, where you park a dimmer or channel at a level and it isn't affected by cues nor does it affect them. You can park both channels and dimmers. Independent on the Obsession, is an odd but useful little critter. Here's what the Obsession 2 manual has to say about it: "An independent channel is not affected by the Grandmaster, [Blackout], [Rem Dim], [Flash], Channel Check, or solo bumpmaster bump buttons. If you press [Go To Cue] [0] [Enter], all channels except independent channels are set to zero." This means that Independent channels are affected by cues, unlike Parked channels and dimmers. Independent on the Obsession is usually assigned to things like moving light attributes and scrollers, so that when you go to cue zero or use the GM or a submaster to pull levels down during breaks the moving lights and scrollers don't all go flying around to their home bases. - John ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: RE: dealing with lost passwords for complex systems Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c7380b$76791170$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: I've faced this problem a couple of times in the past decade. In both cases, I took the controller device apart and found a small lithium coin cell on the circuit board. In one case I removed then reinstalled the battery; in the other case I briefly shorted it out with a short piece of wire. The units powered back up in the default state as defined in the manual, including default passwords. Of course, this meant the entire system configuration had to be recreated -- which was fine in my case, because it was being moved to a completely new setup at a new location. Newer system designs are probably using eeprom or flash memory instead of battery-backup. But you still might ocassionally encounter something where this technique will do the job. Obviously, don't go this route unless you have complete documentation on how to start from scratch. Jim RC4 > There should be some way to reset the access code to a > default value. If you cannot find it in the manual, contact > the manufacturer. At worst, they would have to send a > technician to do the resetting. > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:48:45 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: dealing with lost passwords for complex systems In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Jim, RC4 Wireless wrote: > Newer system designs are probably using eeprom or flash memory > instead of > battery-backup. But you still might ocassionally encounter > something where > this technique will do the job. Obviously, don't go this route > unless you > have complete documentation on how to start from scratch. There may also be a jumper on the board to do the same thing. On some of my designs, it's well hidden. One device I'm prototyping now is built with one resistor missing and it will boot into setup mode. Once set up, the resistor is soldered on and setup mode is disabled (this device is not designed for field updates). ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:28 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Student sues References:

In-Reply-To: In message , productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org writes >While I believe that the lawyer is placing blame on the school for not >training the student enough, can a teenager then sue his drivers ed >teacher when he gets into an accident? Lawyers operate for personal profit only. I t would be a shame if the technical ineptitude of one student deprived thousands more of work experience that could get them a job in their chosen field. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:37 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: New questions References:

In-Reply-To: In message , b Ricie writes >I went to the pump, on a whim I punched 1234* into the keypad on the >pump and "whirr", the pump started and I filled the truck. Yeah, how many of those keypads have the 1234 keys almost worn flat or very clean compared to the others...... -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:48:26 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: New questions References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Bruce Purdy writes > I agree. That's why I was hoping to get some kind of an >intelligible manual. The system "Works OK", so it's likely best left >alone, but there is one thing I'd like to adjust. The Outdoor sensor >prevents the heating system from coming on if it's warm outside. >Trouble is, on a warm early spring day, it may be 70 degrees outside, >but only 50 inside, and the heat won't come on! I get around this by >physically removing the outside sensor from it's mount, and putting it >in a bucket of ice water! Improvisation - that's what theatre is all >about! ;-) Depending on the outside sensors construction, it might be possible to cheat it with a resistor. If it's just an NTC thermistor or uses one then adding an external resistor in series will make it think it's cooler. Add a small potentiometer and you get complete control. Just keep in mind that some of the older control systems might have mains voltage at the sensor. Something that often "surprises" heating engineers. :) -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c73810$794f2290$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: New questions Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:16:20 -0800 > Yeah, how many of those keypads have the 1234 keys almost worn flat or > very clean compared to the others...... Years ago I designed a few shows at a theatre where the alarm code was 1234 - also noted on a Post-It attached to the panel, inside the unlocked lobby closet. A high school on the Oregon coast, where I designed/directed a show once, their code was a more convoluted series of numbers, but that's ok - it was written a half a dozen times on the wall inside the (unlocked) alarm closet just inside the main door. One was even circled with Sharpie, and said, "Alarm Code." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:36:48 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: New questions In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114113543.01f4e2e0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 11:16 AM 1/14/2007, Jon Ares wrote: >A high school on the Oregon coast, where I designed/directed a show >once, their code was a more convoluted series of numbers, but that's >ok - it was written a half a dozen times on the wall inside the >(unlocked) alarm closet just inside the main door. One was even >circled with Sharpie, and said, "Alarm Code." A place I worked had combination pads on all the doors. In the engineering area all the locks had four color dots on them. Non-tech types never caught on. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:06:57 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board On 1/14/07 John McKernon sent: >If you press [Go To Cue] [0] [Enter], all channels except independent channels are set to zero." If you press [Go To Cue] [out] [Enter], all channels including independent channels are set to zero." Note; in both cases, parked dimmers and channels remain unchanged. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45AA8E3C.8040006 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:10:36 -0500 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Theatre and PAC architects In the NJ town where I live, there is a group working to build a PAC. They have asked me to look at the introductory proposals from about a dozen architects, so they can ask for interviews and another round of proposals.... Any clues what others have looked for? On first perusal, I like the ones with mainly/only PAC/theatres (the ones that list 100 projects and only 10 are even Arts related I feel I want to discount). That eliminates about half of them. Then these seem to fall into three catagories: Local, Regional, Further. For example, one of the groups lists 10-15 projects ALL in NJ or CT; One lists 10-15 projects, no two in the same state. This division I find harder to justify.... Do I want a smaller local guy, or someone who has been run out of as many states as I have... I have a lot in common with both! I plan to start calling theatres next week, but would like to have a better idea of what to ask and judge upon. Any suggestions are most appreciated. [I figure it is wrong to choose based upon which one promises me the drapery contract] -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2032.205.215.253.16.1168805947.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: "Bill Nelson" > "An independent channel is not affected by the Grandmaster, [Blackout], > [Rem > Dim], [Flash], Channel Check, or solo bumpmaster bump buttons. If you > press > [Go To Cue] [0] [Enter], all channels except independent channels are set > to zero." > > This means that Independent channels are affected by cues, unlike Parked > channels and dimmers. Did you mean to write "unaffected"? Also, are parked channels/dimmers really affected by cues? I thought the reason for parking them was to avoid that. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2068.205.215.253.16.1168808075.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: New questions From: "Bill Nelson" > I agree. That's why I was hoping to get some kind of an intelligible > manual. The system "Works OK", so it's likely best left alone, but > there is one thing I'd like to adjust. The Outdoor sensor prevents > the heating system from coming on if it's warm outside. Trouble is, > on a warm early spring day, it may be 70 degrees outside, but only 50 > inside, and the heat won't come on! I get around this by physically > removing the outside sensor from it's mount, and putting it in a > bucket of ice water! Improvisation - that's what theatre is all > about! ;-) In the future, get one of those "Blue Ice" packs that you precool in your freezer. You can then find some way to mount it over the sensor for a while. That should keep it cool enough to get your heat to come on for a while. You might also add some sort of insulation to reflect whatever sunlight would otherwise hit the pack. Bill ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:06:49 GMT Subject: Re: New questions Message-Id: <20070114.130702.833.1035063 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Jerry, You have revealed a secret. I just stick a drawing above the touch = pad of a tubular resistor with a color code that matches the = combination. Although fewer techs are conversant with board-level = electronics than was true in the past in this age of ICs, P5s, and = beyond, most of them do not find this to be an obstacle, and it is = more secure than just writing the code in binary, hex, or octal. = /s/ Richard ____________________________ >A high school on the Oregon coast, where I designed/directed a show = >once, their code was a more convoluted series of numbers, but that's = >ok - it was written a half a dozen times on the wall inside the = >(unlocked) alarm closet just inside the main door. One was even = >circled with Sharpie, and said, "Alarm Code." A place I worked had combination pads on all the doors. In the = engineering area all the locks had four color dots on them. Non-tech = types never caught on. -- = Jerry Durand ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4NeHvZI9xpqFFwJW [at] ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:11:25 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Slings 'n' things. Not strictly theatre related, but it certainly wasn't the slings that snapped on this job. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXRo-UwDN7M -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:19:00 GMT Subject: Re: Student sues Message-Id: <20070114.131910.833.1035083 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Clive. That is simply not true. I have plenty of nonprofit clients that are = Ballet companies, Theatre companies, Artist's collectives, Animal = Rescue, and the like that I simply do not bother to bill. Why bother? As a co-founder or Board member, I know that they do not have money. /s/ Richard __________________________________________ Lawyers operate for personal profit only. = Clive Mitchell ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:58:23 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: Barney [at] josephchansen.com Subject: Re: Theatre and PAC architects In-Reply-To: References: Barney, Once you have narrowed the architects down do three or four firms, these firms are usually invited to make presentations to the building committee. These presentations are usually all done on the same day. Typically, a firm will be asked to make a 30 minute presentation, followed by 15 minutes of questions from the committee. There is a 15 minute break, and then the next firm does its presentation, etc. My experience is that a firm from out-of-state will often have a local architect as part of their team. This firm will oversee much of the construction phase of the project. It is also done to make the client feel that they have a local person to talk to face to face about issues. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:15:44 -0500 From: Maia Robbins-Zust Subject: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines Message-id: <45AAAB90.6090605 [at] williams.edu> Question for all the riggers on the list. Now that we’ve gone through the roundsling ratings (with a special thank-you to Uncle Bill for the link to the ‘lift-all’ site, that really helped clarify the color/ratings for me) I have a question about the use of turnbuckles on chain hoist lines. One of the venues that I work is a newly re-fitted ‘hemp’ house with its electric’s line-sets run on 1/2-ton and 1-ton chain hoists. Each of these electric line-sets consists of a horizontal, steel, flat-truss picked at three points with chain hoists. The hoists are attached to the top pipe (or stringer) of the truss, while the lights are hung from the bottom pipe (stringer) of the truss. Now here’s the question: The hoist chain is attached to the top pipe with a forged turnbuckle (properly moused off) – is this a good idea? Or not? Every time we run these electrics in/out there is that bounce that happens when the motors start and/or stop. This is even more pronounced when one “bumps” the motors to adjust the electric to exactly the height that the designer wants. It just seems to me that this repeated bouncing is putting some pretty heavy stresses on the threads of those turnbuckles. The rigging in this venue was done by a very reputable, midwestern rigging company, so I didn’t question the use of the turnbuckles in these lines. But now, going on a year later, I’m starting to worry about them. There doesn’t seem to be any need to have turnbuckles in the lines since we have individual control of each motor and can adjust the level of the electric trusses easily (in fact we have to do that about every 3rd or 4th time that the line-set is run because the motors all seem to travel at just a little bit different speeds.) We are about to have a two week down-time in this venue and it would be the perfect time to do the work of taking out these turnbuckles. But -- this is extra labor -- and I have to convince the management that it’s worth spending money on. So, I’m looking to get some feed back and opinions. Am I over-worrying? Or are these turnbuckles a week (and dangerous) link in these lines? Thanks for all your help! Maia Robbins-Zust Technical Director ETCP certified rigger - theatre ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <65F46244-F653-4EE6-86BB-1A89473E396A [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:21:21 -0500 On 14 Jan 2007, at 10:50, John McKernon wrote: > Independent is great for situations where you have a light that > needs to > stay up (such as a channel that someone is trying to fix or focus) > no matter > what the cues are doing. Another case where it's useful is if your > house > lights are on the board and you want to put them at a glow during tech > rehearsals but you don't want them recorded into cues that way. On my Express 48/96, I put the channels used for houselights to "Independent", then (Since they are on higher channels with no slider) I assign them to a pair of submasters. This does prevent them from being affected by the GM or BO button, but they still get written into cues. Is this because of the use of the submasters? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:44:36 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines References: In-Reply-To: In message , Maia Robbins-Zust=20 writes >The rigging in this venue was done by a very reputable, midwestern=20 >rigging company, so I didn=E2=80=99t question the use of the turnbuckles i= n=20 >these lines. But now, going on a year later, I=E2=80=99m starting to worr= y=20 >about them. There doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be any need to have turnbuckles = in=20 >the lines since we have individual control of each motor and can adjust=20 >the level of the electric trusses easily (in fact we have to do that=20 >about every 3rd or 4th time that the line-set is run because the motors=20 >all seem to travel at just a little bit different speeds.) That's an odd arrangement. The turnbuckles might be justified if there=20 were three wire ropes going to a single winch either by three drums or a=20 clew plate, for level adjustment across the bar, but for three separate=20 chain hoists it shouldn't be required since, as you mention the hoists=20 all have slight speed differences. Personally I'd consider removing them. Even if the installation was done by a large and reputable company that=20 has been around since the dawn of time, it doesn't guarantee that they=20 won't do odd stuff due to changing labour or misguided specifications. --=20 Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines At 5:15 PM -0500 1/14/07, Maia Robbins-Zust wrote: >We are about to have a two week down-time in this venue and it would >be the perfect time to do the work of taking out these turnbuckles. >But -- this is extra labor -- and I have to convince the management >that it's worth spending money on. So, I'm looking to get some feed >back and opinions. Am I over-worrying? Or are these turnbuckles a >week (and dangerous) link in these lines? If you have individual control of the motors on your electrics, I don't believe the turnbuckles are necessary. Do you know what the rationale was for installing them in the first place? If t'was me, I'd lose 'em. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Message-Id: <04D62DBF-0B3B-45E6-A02D-B147C9B6DE5A [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: OT: Cell Phone Karma Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:56:36 -0500 Sick of Cell phone users in your Theatre? I think you'll like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS2nZySpdhg&eurl= Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Student sues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c73838$198f3c50$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: And indeed, if the record is clear, for forty one years, I have done a number of probono law suits and many free risk assessments of theaters, etc. Hope that makes it lucid. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:19 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Student sues For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dear Clive. That is simply not true. I have plenty of nonprofit clients that are Ballet companies, Theatre companies, Artist's collectives, Animal Rescue, and the like that I simply do not bother to bill. Why bother? As a co-founder or Board member, I know that they do not have money. /s/ Richard __________________________________________ Lawyers operate for personal profit only. Clive Mitchell ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Student sues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c73838$1a8004f0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I have to disagree, despite the onslaught of archaic comments. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Clive Mitchell Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:51 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Student sues For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In message , productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org writes >While I believe that the lawyer is placing blame on the school for not >training the student enough, can a teenager then sue his drivers ed >teacher when he gets into an accident? Lawyers operate for personal profit only. I t would be a shame if the technical ineptitude of one student deprived thousands more of work experience that could get them a job in their chosen field. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:08:15 GMT Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines Message-Id: <20070114.160816.18186.1089543 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> I would keep all or most of my political capital in the bank until = a 'clear and present danger' arises that the PTB just can't see, but = will trust you on, because you have never cried 'wolf' in their eyes = by requesting a resource appropriation when death or serious bodily = injury was not clearly eminent if they ignored your advice. /s/ Richard ____________________________ At 5:15 PM -0500 1/14/07, Maia Robbins-Zust wrote: >We are about to have a two week down-time in this venue and it would = >be the perfect time to do the work of taking out these turnbuckles. = >But -- this is extra labor -- and I have to convince the management = >that it's worth spending money on. So, I'm looking to get some feed = >back and opinions. Am I over-worrying? Or are these turnbuckles a = >week (and dangerous) link in these lines? __________________________ If you have individual control of the motors on your electrics, I = don't believe the turnbuckles are necessary. Do you know what the = rationale was for installing them in the first place? ____________________________ If t'was me, I'd lose 'em. Dave Vick ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:46:06 -0500 In light of what Richard and others have said, how long has it been since you've serviced the motors? Scheduling regular maintenance creates an opportunity to re-arrange the space more to your liking. In any acse, it sounds like you should inspect the turnbuckles for wear and tear and get some sort of idea as to they're rating. Turnbuckles generally have much lower load ratings than, say, a shackle of similar diameter. IIRC, McMaster-Carr has a listing of turnbuckles diameters and their related capacities. Matthew Breton Design for Theater and Dance >I would keep all or most of my political capital in the bank until >a 'clear and present danger' arises that the PTB just can't see, but >will trust you on, because you have never cried 'wolf' in their eyes >by requesting a resource appropriation when death or serious bodily >injury was not clearly eminent if they ignored your advice. >/s/ Richard >____________________________ > >At 5:15 PM -0500 1/14/07, Maia Robbins-Zust wrote: > > >We are about to have a two week down-time in this venue and it would > >be the perfect time to do the work of taking out these turnbuckles. > >But -- this is extra labor -- and I have to convince the management > >that it's worth spending money on. So, I'm looking to get some feed > >back and opinions. Am I over-worrying? Or are these turnbuckles a > >week (and dangerous) link in these lines? >__________________________ >If you have individual control of the motors on your electrics, I >don't believe the turnbuckles are necessary. Do you know what the >rationale was for installing them in the first place? >____________________________ >If t'was me, I'd lose 'em. >Dave Vick _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:22:32 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Does anyone know? If lens for the S4 PAR are sold seperately anywhere? I've only found them in catalogs as boxes of 4, with one of each kind inside (VNSP, NSP, MFL and WFL). Or is the box of 4 the only way they are sold? Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:33:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Long story short. The turnbuckles in your system are completely unnecessary. And, depending on where the turnbuckles came from, they could be dangerous. Most turnbuckles are crap. I have no idea why they put them in your system but you should remove them at your earliest opportunity. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/14/07 5:15 PM, "Maia Robbins-Zust" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Question for all the riggers on the list. >=20 > Now that we=B9ve gone through the roundsling ratings (with a special > thank-you to Uncle Bill for the link to the =8Clift-all=B9 site, that really > helped clarify the color/ratings for me) I have a question about the use > of turnbuckles on chain hoist lines. >=20 > One of the venues that I work is a newly re-fitted =8Chemp=B9 house with its > electric=B9s line-sets run on 1/2-ton and 1-ton chain hoists. Each of > these electric line-sets consists of a horizontal, steel, flat-truss > picked at three points with chain hoists. The hoists are attached to > the top pipe (or stringer) of the truss, while the lights are hung from > the bottom pipe (stringer) of the truss. Now here=B9s the question: The > hoist chain is attached to the top pipe with a forged turnbuckle > (properly moused off) =AD is this a good idea? Or not? >=20 > Every time we run these electrics in/out there is that bounce that > happens when the motors start and/or stop. This is even more pronounced > when one =B3bumps=B2 the motors to adjust the electric to exactly the height > that the designer wants. It just seems to me that this repeated > bouncing is putting some pretty heavy stresses on the threads of those > turnbuckles. >=20 > The rigging in this venue was done by a very reputable, midwestern > rigging company, so I didn=B9t question the use of the turnbuckles in > these lines. But now, going on a year later, I=B9m starting to worry > about them. There doesn=B9t seem to be any need to have turnbuckles in > the lines since we have individual control of each motor and can adjust > the level of the electric trusses easily (in fact we have to do that > about every 3rd or 4th time that the line-set is run because the motors > all seem to travel at just a little bit different speeds.) >=20 > We are about to have a two week down-time in this venue and it would be > the perfect time to do the work of taking out these turnbuckles. But -- > this is extra labor -- and I have to convince the management that it=B9s > worth spending money on. So, I=B9m looking to get some feed back and > opinions. Am I over-worrying? Or are these turnbuckles a week (and > dangerous) link in these lines? >=20 > Thanks for all your help! >=20 > Maia Robbins-Zust > Technical Director > ETCP certified rigger - theatre >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:34:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If you press [Go To Cue] [out] [Enter], all channels including independent > channels are set to zero." Which is why we *love* having both options! - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:34:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Is this because of the use of the submasters? I dunno, but it's very likely. Try taking them out of the subs and see what happens. - John ------------------------------ Subject: What specials do you give concert pianos? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:42:19 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299B9C [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" Here is a question for concert hall house techs: For Solo piano concerts, or piano and orchestra concerts, what lights do = you focus on the piano? Or, what is the purpose of those lights? When I was hired here, the ATD was giving me the low-down on the = "standard" for concerts here. It included 2 point front light on the = pianist (but not too wide), sharp focused keyboard specials from front = and back, a sheet music special over their shoulder (no body shadows), = and 1 or 2 point back light (again, not too much in their eyes). Generally, there is also a large pool, front and back light, at a lower = level around the piano. There is also LOTS of top light in the symphony = shows for the other musicians (130+ par 56 300w). The idea with the keyboard specials is to eliminate any shadows, or = reduce those shadows by having multiple lights. Is this similar to what other houses do? Or is it overkill? Check out our photos at http://www.chancentre.ca/photos.html Thanks. Please reply to me directly, as well as the list. I'm not = getting the digests reliably right now. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:42:29 -0600 From: "Jeff Mabray" Subject: RE: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board In-reply-to: Message-id: Yes. The only way that I know of to take something out of being written into a cue is by putting it in park. You park the channel or dimmer at a specified level and let it stay there all the time. i.e I usually put the bank of houselights over the booth on at 10 percent or the like and leave it there while I am writing cues. It doesnt really affect my vision in setting levels and makes it very easy for everyone around the light board to communicate and write and find things etc... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:21 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 14 Jan 2007, at 10:50, John McKernon wrote: > Independent is great for situations where you have a light that > needs to > stay up (such as a channel that someone is trying to fix or focus) > no matter > what the cues are doing. Another case where it's useful is if your > house > lights are on the board and you want to put them at a glow during tech > rehearsals but you don't want them recorded into cues that way. On my Express 48/96, I put the channels used for houselights to "Independent", then (Since they are on higher channels with no slider) I assign them to a pair of submasters. This does prevent them from being affected by the GM or BO button, but they still get written into cues. Is this because of the use of the submasters? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070115014613.56381.qmail [at] web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? In-Reply-To: More questions then answers for now... In our small 197 seat theatre there is a persistant hum, no buzz that is killing me. It gets noticably louder when I run a light cue involving no specific lights. I know some of you have had this problem! I'm new to the space and I've been told they have been doing things for the past 10 years or so to find the hum. They have added separate power lines for sound, separate grounds new stage inputs via a snake that is run along a ledge in the theatre. I'm told the sound inputs were run to both sides of the stage through the ceiling and near houselight wireing that is 30 years old. One idea is to bring in a separate dimmer rack, power down the current dimmer rack and fire up the sound board and go from there. I think I could probably tell if the dimmer rack is causing our problem by shutting it down and simply running power to the sound board. This is my biggest challenge. What steps have you taken to kill the buzz? Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:54:40 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? In-reply-to: Message-id: <45FDA23C-C278-446E-9DAA-843DB9A3BC39 [at] interstellar.com> References: On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Al Fitch wrote: > What steps have you taken to kill the buzz? Start tracking from one end until you find it. Unplug inputs to the sound board, if things go quiet, you found it. If not, unplug outputs... continue until you find it or realize that everything is turned off and it's really the fire alarm PA system. ------------------------------ Subject: lighting board specs Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299B9D [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew $Head Ltg$" and Question #2: I get the buy a new lighting board this summer, and then another one for = the other space in two years. Currently we're running the Strand LBX = and the Strand 430 in the concert hall and black box studio = respectively. We're replacing the concert hall board first. The rough specs for it should include some combination of the following: 1 - 2 DMX universes; more than 96 channel or sub handles; each with own bump/flash button; decent effect package; moving light control (not a Hog, but for small rentals coming in with 4 = - 6 ML), Library of ML;=20 dual screens;=20 multiple sub pages; ability to type in names of cues, subs, channels, dimmers, etc; ability to track changes through cues;=20 programmable softkeys/macros/LCD Keys;=20 remote control (wired or wireless);=20 printer capable;=20 and ability to store shows on disk/USB/Hard drive. You get the idea. The big requirement is number of handles. The LBX = has 72 channel handles and 24 subs. Neither are enough (and it maxes = out at 125 channels total). We run most of our shows live, without = recording cues; so instant access to that special or this wash is = mandatory. I'm looking at the ETC Insight 3 (with or without Emphasis), the Strand = 300, Stand Sub Palette (although it's very VERY new, and I'm afraid = buggy early releases). I've also read the specs on the Marquee and = Marquee ILC, although I think I would require those two boards melded to = suit my needs. Anyway, what other boards should I look at? Would going to USITT in = Phoenix be a good idea? Thanks again. Please, reply directly to me, because I'm not getting the = digest reliably right now. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070115015945.21295.qmail [at] web84011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com In-Reply-To: There are lots of dimmers parked but they are floor pockets that don't get used often. I've always seen (not been taught) that A/B faders are the primary faders to use. Someone asked the other day what the C/D faders were used for. I told them that I thought they were for running additional cues while the A/B faders were being used to run cues. > > > Check to make certain you don't have a submaster > or cue > > running on the A/B > > fader (this seems to be a common mistake). > > ...Or the C/D fader, if you're using A/B to run the > show. Also make sure > that no channels or dimmers are parked. > > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45AAE3F5.3090705 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:16:21 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Slings 'n' things. References: In-Reply-To: That looks like an expensive oops. Looked like a drive coupling that failed. It did drop into place how ever. Clive Mitchell wrote: > Not strictly theatre related, but it certainly wasn't the slings that > snapped on this job. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXRo-UwDN7M > -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:21:50 -0600 Subject: Re: New questions From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As Mel Brooks said in Spaceballs, That's the number on my luggage, or something like that On 1/14/07 9:52 AM, "b Ricie" wrote: > I have since had great luck > with that little code, and have gotten past many a > locked door using 1234*. Phil Johnson ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4501141b085a20cd24b8d19925f256a4 [at] jamesf.com> From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:13:38 -0800 At USITT in Phoenix, I picked up a very interesting tidbit at the Stump The Electricians session. It's common, especially in older fixtures with old-style Union connectors, for the neutral and ground to short against each other. It won't trip the breaker, and it won't impact lighting operations, but it will cause a nasty buzz in the sound system. The recommended treatment was to disconnect the power feed to the dimmer rack and check for continuity between ground and neutral at the power inputs on the rack. Alternately, test for continuity between ground and neutral on each thing that plugs into the rack. I'm sure someone else who was there remembers more of the details. --James Feinberg San Diego, CA On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Al Fitch wrote: > In our small 197 seat theatre there is a persistant > hum, no buzz that is killing me. It gets noticably > louder when I run a light cue involving no specific > lights. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:35:18 GMT Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit? Message-Id: <20070114.193525.8266.1089949 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> The last USITT Conference that I attended in Phoenix was in 1978. I = thought that the Stump The Rigger was the only session of its type = that went back that far. Bill Sapsis could clarify this matter. /s/ Richard _____________________________ At USITT in Phoenix, I picked up a very interesting tidbit at the = Stump The Electricians session. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:35:43 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Slings 'n' things. At 9:16 PM -0500 1/14/07, Richard Bakos wrote: > That looks like an expensive oops. Looked like a drive > coupling that failed. It did drop into place how ever. It may've dropped into place, but it'll have to be lifted right back out and rebuilt; didja see the damage to the turbine blades that the lifting rod inflicted? Plus I'll bet ya half a peach that the bearings/bushings are NFG any more, having that much weight dropped on 'em. Those parts are made to suport the turbine's weight, but not that kind of shock-load. Wouldn't surprise me if the whole affair had to be rebuilt. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45AAFADC.90308 [at] insightbb.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:54:04 -0600 From: Dave Marks Subject: Carnival Cruise techs? References: In-Reply-To: Wondering if there's anyone from Carnival Cruises lurking here? We're cruising on the Carnival Glory in February, and I'm hoping for a backstage tour of the performing spaces. Thanks! Dave Marks ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:55:19 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Does anyone know? In-Reply-To: References: You should be able to call most major theatrical suppliers and they can order them for you that way. I've done it a few times because I work in a high school...need I explain further? Good luck but let me know if you don't have any and I can point you in the right direction. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 1/14/07, Jeffrey Kanyuck wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If lens for the S4 PAR are sold seperately anywhere? I've only found > them in catalogs as boxes of 4, with one of each kind inside (VNSP, NSP, > MFL and WFL). > Or is the box of 4 the only way they are sold? > > Jeff > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <65ee040701142006n3e351857i10431416abb1b5ea [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:06:59 -0500 From: "Steve Vanciel" Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/14/07, Matthew Breton wrote: >get some sort of idea as to they're rating. Turnbuckles generally > have much lower load ratings than, say, a shackle of similar diameter. > IIRC, McMaster-Carr has a listing of turnbuckles diameters and their related > capacities. > > Ratings would depend on the specific manufacturer of the turnbuckles. If you can deturmine who made them, you can lookup the specifications. Crosby is very good at identifying their products and the WLL. Their catalog is full of application details. Steve Vanciel Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <65ee040701142028y4ffa0ewc0dc1d4aecec7b5c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:28:59 -0500 From: "Steve Vanciel" Subject: Re: What specials do you give concert pianos? In-Reply-To: References: On 1/14/07, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > The idea with the keyboard specials is to eliminate any shadows, or reduce those shadows by having multiple lights. > I've worked with some pianists that were very fussy about shadows being cast by the black keys and yet others who did not care one bit. The latter were usually the most accomplished professional artists. Steve Vanciel, ETCP CEE Orlando, FL ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c7386e$7ef59450$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:29:22 -0800 Unka Bill sez: > Most turnbuckles are crap. > Hopefully not the ones you sell...? Cuz I own a bunch..... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:29:54 GMT Subject: Re: Turnbuckles on chain hoist lines Message-Id: <20070114.233022.8266.1090366 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Dear Bill, Most turnbuckles that are used in the construction of suspension = bridges appear to be pretty robust, and not resemble 'crap', to me. I = don't think that you stock turnbuckles ~12' long that weigh ~1/2 ton. = /s/ Richard _____________________________ Unka Bill sez: > Most turnbuckles are crap. > = Hopefully not the ones you sell...? Cuz I own a bunch..... - Jon Ares ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1110.205.215.253.92.1168846724.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:38:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Independent Lights in the ETC Express Board From: "Bill Nelson" > I've always seen (not been taught) that A/B faders are > the primary faders to use. Someone asked the other > day what the C/D faders were used for. I told them > that I thought they were for running additional cues > while the A/B faders were being used to run cues. On all the boards I have used, the A/B faders control the channel sliders. So if you want to be able to update cues on the fly, then the cues must be run on the C/D fader pair. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #1090 ******************************