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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1095

 1. Re: Hey
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 2. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>
 3. Re: Theatre and PAC architects
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
 4. Re: Hey
    by John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
 5. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 6. digi. projector
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
 7. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
 8. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 9. Re: Hey
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
10. Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
11. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
12. Re: Hey
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
13. Theatre and PAC architects
    by "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
14. Re: OT: CafePress.com
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
15. Re: A Bit off Topic
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
16. Was hand injury, now blade speed
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
17. Re: digi. projector
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
18. Re[2]: A Bit off Topic
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. Re: A Bit off Topic
    by Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
20. Telex Clear Comm.
    by "Graham Wakefield" <graham.wakefield [at] gmail.com>
21. Re: Was hand injury, now blade speed
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: digi. projector
    by "Jon Lagerquist" <jon [at] lagerquist.com>
23. Re: Cutting Foam
    by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
24. Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
    by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
25. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
26. Re: Was hand injury, now blade speed
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
27. Re: A Bit off Topic
    by Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
28. Re: Telex Clear Comm.
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
29. Re: Telex Clear Comm.
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
30. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
31. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
32. Re: digi. projector
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
33. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
34. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
35. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
36. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
37. Re: Hey
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
38. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
39. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
40. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
41. Re: OT: CafePress.com
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
42. Re[2]: A Bit off Topic
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
43. Re: WAS independant channels/subs
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
44. Re: LCD Projector Question
    by <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
45. Re: 
    by <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
46. Re: OT: CafePress.com
    by USITT UTA Webmaster <webmaster [at] usittuta.org>
47. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
48. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
49. Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
50. Re: OT: CafePress.com
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
51. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
52. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
53. Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
54. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
55. Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
56. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
57. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
58. Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
    by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
59. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
60. Portable Stages and Building Code
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
61. Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
    by Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
62. Re: Portable Stages and Building Code
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
63. IATSE Local 9 (Syracuse)
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
64. Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
    by Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
65. Re: Portable Stages and Building Code
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
66. Re: OT: CafePress.com
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117110914.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:09:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Hey

>thank you very much for your $0.02.  they are greatley appreciated.

Capitalization, punctuation, grammar and spelling will command respect in a
written format.  Since you will end up (if you become a stage manager)
communicating quite a bit by e-mail, make sure that you get your English
classes in.  Get 'A's.
I missed a few classes in high school, and you see how they disrespect *me*
on this list!
Oh, and use the subject line in your e-mails to describe the, well, subject
of the e-mail!  ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Subject: re: WAS independant channels/subs
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:35:06 -0800
Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E609299BA8 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca>
From: "Riter, Andrew \(Head Ltg\)" <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca>

Our 2 house boards (both strands) have the option for Independent subs =
(but not channels).

We have the house light subs, d=E9cor lights, work lights, running =
lights, aisle lights, and light locks all on independent subs.

(we don't often record cues, but run shows live off the subs). =20

Having subs as independents ensures that the safety lights (aisle, light =
locks, backstage running lights) Never, NEVER, EVER go out.  If the cue =
has the channel dropping beneath the level set in the sub (and the sub =
is up) then the channel hits the level in the sub and stays there. =20

Our boards don't have park.

A channel in an independent subs can be taken higher than the sub, it =
just can't be taken lower.

Andrew M. Riter
Head Lighting Technician
Chan Centre for the Performing Arts
University of British Columbia
6265 Crescent Road
Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1
604-822-2372
604-822-1606 fax
chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca


*************
You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in =
obscurity what it lacks in style
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead
*********************


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:44:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Theatre and PAC architects
Message-Id: <20070117.104422.833.1050251 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

Dear Trey, =

That sounds good until the Theatre Consultant wants to make a change =

and the Architect disclaims all liability for the project if that =

change is made. The Contractor is happy to be paid extra for the =

change order, but the owner is often not happy when the Architect =

becomes an adversary. I have spent long hours representing the user =

sometimes, and the funding source other times; it can get expensive. =

Most architects do not want to become glorified draftsmen, which is =

what they feel they will become if anyone else is on their level on =

the hierarchical chart. As representative of the funding source, I do =

not lose many battles with either the architects, engineers, or AHJs. =

When requested, I have always been able to enlist the support of the =

State Architect to get my State projects configured the way I want, =

particularly as to Life Safety, ADA Compliance, and Paths of Travel.
/s/ Richard
___________________________
It would seem to me that an acceptable situation would be to hire the =

consultant as a contractor, much as you would the architect.  Both =

would work for and be paid directly by the user.  The consultant =

would not work for the architect.  The consultant's job would be =

somewhat more difficult as he really would be middleman.   I would =

think that this would be valuable in situations where the college or =

state specifies the architectural firm but the TC would work directly =

for the user.  =


Or, am I really off base here?

Trey H=E4agen
  


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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:50:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Hey
From: John McKernon <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
Message-ID: <C1D3DA30.1467F%stg2006 [at] mckernon.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41352340 [at] prxy.net>

>> thank you very much for your $0.02.  they are greatley appreciated.
> 
> Capitalization, punctuation, grammar and spelling will command respect in a
> written format.  Since you will end up (if you become a stage manager)
> communicating quite a bit by e-mail, make sure that you get your English
> classes in.

Just in case you wondered why Chris said what he said, note that "greatley"
isn't spelled that way...

- John



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117113805.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:38:05
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?

>	There are many levels of sound, just as there are with rigging.  
>There are some things that anyone can do, There are things that only  
>a sound engineer or a certified rigger should do, and a wide range in  
>between. Often my job is to bridge the gap.

This si the part that I was talking about when I said that I commend you
for what you do.  It's not that I don't understand your position, it's that
I lament it.  Those that part with beans don't understand that there are
two dozen important jobs in theatre, and they try to fill it with one
paycheck, grudgingly.  If there is no sound engineer, the sound will be
marginal, at it's very best.  Same with lighting, rigging, dance
choreography, you name it.  Those that wear all the hats are happy with
'done'.  If it works, move on, I have other stuff to do.  I'm not pointing
the finger at you, Bruce, I'm pointing it past you.  I know that you would
*love* to have a handful of experts to come take the load off.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117114746.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:47:46
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: digi. projector

>What will I need for the signal to get to
>both projectors from the single source?

Another cable?  It really depends on the projector, the source (what's
between the projector and the computer at the moment?) and the method of
use.  Are you projecting the same thing in either side of the pro?  If so,
then the worst case scenario I can come up with is that you have to buy a
VGA DA and some more cable.  Some projectors 'loop through' VGA, yours may.
 Let us know exactly what it is you have and what you're trying to do with
it and we'll solve your design problem and send you a bill, ; >

>On another note...if supertitles are above and
>subtitles are below, what do ya call it when they are
>at the side? Just titles? If it ain't super or sub is
>it just normal?

Laterus titles.  What else!?!
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

------------------------------

Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171118n1a721d9k853029d6749c732e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:18:23 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
In-Reply-To: <list-41352371 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41352371 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) <chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca> wrote:

> We have the house light subs, d=E9cor lights, work lights, running lights=
, aisle lights, and light locks all on independent subs.

What are light locks, the carpenter asked?

Must be a Canadian thing, eh?

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Subject: RE: WAS independant channels/subs
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:22:48 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07287155 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41354571 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > We have the house light subs, d=E9cor lights, work lights,=20
> running lights, aisle lights, and light locks all on independent subs.
>=20
> What are light locks, the carpenter asked?

Those are locks that don't weigh very much.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Hey
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1D3E2A2.B2A1%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41353747 [at] prxy.net>

Thanks, john. I always pay attention to your notes, irregardlessly.

S

I'll go get the horse ready now....


On 1/17/07 1:50 PM, "John McKernon" <stg2006 [at] mckernon.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>>> thank you very much for your $0.02.  they are greatley appreciated.
>> 
>> Capitalization, punctuation, grammar and spelling will command respect in a
>> written format.  Since you will end up (if you become a stage manager)
>> communicating quite a bit by e-mail, make sure that you get your English
>> classes in.
> 
> Just in case you wondered why Chris said what he said, note that "greatley"
> isn't spelled that way...
> 
> - John
> 
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:32:37 -0800
Subject: Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <C1D3B9D5.D41D%sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41351123 [at] prxy.net>

Steve,

I used the nominal angle of 5 deg. which should be the field angle, the beam
angle should be less.  In addition the gobo holder field will effect the
size.  However, since he is trying to get an image of the same size from a
shorter distance, the relative size and degree descriptions should be
correct. Whatever size the image was it will take a fixture between 12 and
24 degrees to get an image of that same size depending on the throw that is
between 15 and 30 feet.  I just draw; I don't do anything real.

Sam 


Samuel L. Jones
Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor
Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain Hoist Tool Developer
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
==========================================================



> From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:04:41 -0500
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hey sam;
> 
> Are your measurements overall beam pool width? If so then the image will be
> smaller, yes?
> 
> YSF,
> 
> shelley
> 
> 
> On 1/17/07 12:29 PM, "Samuel Jones" <sjones [at] ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Audio Visual <audiovisual [at] tremontsuitehotels.com>
>>> Subject: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
>>> 
>>> I am currently using the S4 5 degree instrumentation to throw a moderate
>>> sized image a very long way (about 75 feet).
>> 
>> A little VectorWorks drawing yielded the following:
>> 
>> 1. A 5 deg. fixture throwing a beam 75 feet results in an image 6'-6 1/2"
>> tall.
>> 
>> 2. A fixture placed 15' away would need to have a field angle of 24.61 deg.
>> to create the same size image.
>> 
>> 3. A fixture placed 30' away would need to have a field angle of 12.45 deg.
>> to create the same size image.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Sam
>> 
>> Samuel L. Jones
>> Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor
>> Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
>> AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain Hoist Tool Developer
>> sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
>> ==========================================================
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve Shelley
> SoftSymbols Designer
> MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
> www.fieldtemplate.com
> 
> 



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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171133q1db5426ay38abde68f239343b [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:33:58 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
In-Reply-To: <list-41354712 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41354571 [at] prxy.net> <list-41354712 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Paul Schreiner <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> > What are light locks, the carpenter asked?
>
> Those are locks that don't weigh very much.
>

No wonder I don't know what they are.  I am never allowed to work on
projects with things that don't weigh very much.  Even the aluminum
pieces I get to work with heavy.  The shop that I deal with most often
has the unofficial slogan "The name doesn't go on until the weight
goes in"  I alway wonder where they manage to find extra-heavy
aluminum.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171135s3bd898bdl21474d836faaca66 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:35:04 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hey
In-Reply-To: <list-41354862 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41353747 [at] prxy.net> <list-41354862 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net> wrote:

> I'll go get the horse ready now....

Make sure you kill it before we start beating it.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <011701c73a6e$bc700520$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1>
Reply-To: "Bill Conner" <bill [at] bcaworld.com>
From: "Bill Conner" <bill-conner [at] att.net>
Subject: Theatre and PAC architects
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:36:07 -0600

In response to Bruce:

Were there signs or indication that somehow the PTB were going to purposely 
direct that the theatre and it's equipment were to be contrary to good 
practice, I probably would do same as Peter - propose high rates - knowing 
that I would have to spend a lot of time as counselor, mediator, and teacher 
between different factions of the Owner.  It has happened.  Frankly, I've 
not been in a situation where the PTB directed me to design a theatre that 
the users would not like (but I have worked on projects where I've been told 
to ignore the users because they were not going to be the users when the 
doors opened.)  I have worked on many projects where there is no user 
selected yet.  And on a few projects where it was necessary, after being as 
candid or blunt with my client - either architect or Owner - I have gone to 
the other or the user with my concerns.

But, your question seems to presume that the users are always qualified and 
always know best what the Owner needs.  Perhaps the users on this list fit 
that image but I don't find all do.  The head janitor or band teacher may 
have limited experience or training.  A lot of what I do is education. 
Sometimes a user has only worked in one space and is completely closed to a 
another approach.  (Like those that have only worked double purchase and 
can't fathom single purchased rigging.  Those are the ones that refer to 
their double purchased system as "high speed" rigging.  Nice spin.)

Perhaps the lesson here is that all users are not the same and all theatre 
consultants are not the same.  Since strong users with a good record usually 
will be asked to participate in design team selection, it usually works out.

Also, as far as designing the facility and tailoring the systems for the 
current users, that too often is accompanied with the fact that major 
facility building projects often result in a turnover of people within a 
year or two or three, and the buildings and systems are expected to last 
longer.  Sort of like a couple who focus for several years on building their 
"dream" house end up getting divorced a few years after.  Real estate agents 
go out of their way to get to know these folks during building because of 
the likelihood of a sale as a result of divorce.  I think the same sort of 
let down happens when an company has focused on the excitement and 
challenges of a new theatre only to find that common drive missing a few 
years after opening.

And there are differences of focus among consultants.  I try to design the 
building and systems that are in the Owner's best interest, not what any one 
individual and myself least of all would "want".  My favorite projects are 
the ones that 5 or 10 years afterwards I visit and find the user's are still 
discovering opportunities and "new" features.  Very rewarding.

Now, on the opposite side, there are projects where the users are clearly so 
exciting and qualified, and/or that I feel such a kinship and philosophical 
allegiance with, that I will make extra effort to get selected.   But those 
are too rare.

Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T



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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171138h7e4703f9q65bb7d940ff1984f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:38:11 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: CafePress.com
In-Reply-To: <list-41349863 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41349863 [at] prxy.net>

Since the off-topic of shirts has come up, do any of the union
Brothers and Sisters on the list have a prefered source for union
clothing swag?  My local is due for our tri-annual or so reordering of
swag and we are looking around for other vendors.

TIA,

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117121451.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:14:51
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: A Bit off Topic

>>> Now we just have to figure  
>>> out how to get you and your students to drive to Vermont for a  
>>> luncheon...

>> 	On tricycles ?

<http://www.lvtrikes.com/gallery_o_photos.html>  Will get you to VT for
lunch from anywhere other than over a large body of water.  Really large...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117122616.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:26:16
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Was hand injury, now blade speed

>I believe both are fast enough to catch anyone - you might be lucky enough
>to escape with minor injuries due to quick reflexes, but if you're
>inattentive you're going to get something for your trouble.

If my arm were resting on a ledge, say, the runoff of a chop-saw, and my
sleeve were inadvertently to come in contact with a saw, say, that had the
switch stuck in the 'on' position and was only able to be shut off by
unplugging it, and say someone who thought that they were doing a mitzvah
were to plug that in and start the saw.  If I were to hear that saw start
and feel *ANYTHING* pulling my sleeve, I would be able to get my arm away
from the saw in time *to prevent it from ripping parts off.*  While I am
not convonced that I wouldn't be going to the ER to get the results cleaned
and sutured, I'm pretty sure that rehab, reconstruction, and/or prosthetics
wouldn't be in my future.
Or I could be wrong.
OTOH, if I were on the other side of the room and the saw started, and I
felt a simultaneous tug on my sleeve, I'd probably react in a remarkably
similar fashion.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117123134.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:31:34
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: digi. projector

>I have heard good things about Keynote but not used it. But there are 
>options in the windows world. OpenOffice.org has Impress which looks 
>like a close replacement for power point and is free.

Power Point has one great  advantage that none of these have.  THere are
millioins of pwople scattered all over the planet that kow how to use it,
and can replace your entire projection staff and computer if you just keep
the show on a spare flash drive with you.
Say what you will about Macs, but in the projection world you will find
that less than five percent of operators tend toward macs.  This is
probably due to the fact that less than five percent of the users tend
towards Macs, not an indication of the quality of one platform over the
other.  OTOH, ninety percent of the issues that come up with projection
have the introduction of a Mac or some other presentation software other
than PP involved, with the user not being familiar enough with their
hardware or software to make the transition.  PP is a presentation standard
the world over.  Yep, there may be better things, but not easier in the
long run.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070117123510.00c83670 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:35:10
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re[2]: A Bit off Topic

>Gather around, children, and Grandpa Frank will tell you another
>story....

YAY!  I love storytime!  Next time could we have cookies?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:30:09 -0500
Subject: Re: A Bit off Topic
From: Stephen Rees <stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Message-ID: <C1D3F181.61BF%stephen.rees [at] fredonia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41355400 [at] prxy.net>

"Ummmm, I don't think the subject of the foto galleries was about trikes
necessarily. :)  Very unique hardware indeed.
Steve


On 1/17/07 12:14 PM, "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> <http://www.lvtrikes.com/gallery_o_photos.html>  Will get you to VT for
> lunch from anywhere other than over a large body of water.  Really large...
> Chris "Chris" Babbie
> Location Sound
> MON AZ


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Message-ID: <a92b34570701171240r25c50ejc2eea2f50995247b [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:40:21 -0500
From: "Graham Wakefield" <graham.wakefield [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Telex Clear Comm.

Hi,
Does anyone know of any products that will let you use cell phone
headsets with Telex's clear comm system?
Thanks in Advance
Graham

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171241v67baa62ct50525c987ffa99e6 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:41:23 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Was hand injury, now blade speed
In-Reply-To: <list-41355792 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41355792 [at] prxy.net>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:26:16, CB <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> If my arm were resting on a ledge, say, the runoff of a chop-saw, and my
> sleeve were inadvertently to come in contact with a saw, say, that had the
> switch stuck in the 'on' position and was only able to be shut off by
> unplugging it, and say someone who thought that they were doing a mitzvah
> were to plug that in and start the saw.  If I were to hear that saw start
> and feel *ANYTHING* pulling my sleeve, I would be able to get my arm away
> from the saw in time *to prevent it from ripping parts off.*  While I am
> not convonced that I wouldn't be going to the ER to get the results cleaned
> and sutured, I'm pretty sure that rehab, reconstruction, and/or prosthetics
> wouldn't be in my future.
> Or I could be wrong.

Don't underestimate the speed of modern saws.  I own a Dewalt 12"
compound miter saw (pull over chop saw) and its start speed is mighty
fast.  It achieves full speed, 4000 rpm, almost instantaneously.

If I were to 1)remove the guard, 2) Wear loose fitting clothing,
3)Have said clothing in contact with the blade, and 4) turn on the
saw, there is no way my reaction time would be faster than the time
between pulling the trigger and having my clothing wrap around the
blade and suck my arm into the blade.  That would be almost
instantaneous.

By the time you hear this saw, the blade is already at full speed.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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From: "Jon Lagerquist" <jon [at] lagerquist.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:53:18 -0800
Subject: Re: digi. projector
Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com
Message-ID: <45AE1C3E.24593.10158F65 [at] jon.lagerquist.com>
In-reply-to: <list-41355977 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41355977 [at] prxy.net>

I was with you up to the last line. Since in _my_ applications things 
like fade times are important, even if everyone can open it - if it 
does not do what I need it is not, for me, easier. The extra effort 
to get the right tool is worth it in the final savings. Which goes 
back to what is the job and therefor the right application.

CB wrote 

>  Yep, there may
> be better things, but not easier in the long run.


Jon Lagerquist
Technical Director  [at]  South Coast Repertory
Costa Mesa, CA


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Message-ID: <5880260.1169067261325.JavaMail.? [at] fh122.dia.he.tucows.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:54:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Subject: Re: Cutting Foam

<<From the document:

<<Products Evolved When Subjected to Heat or Combustion:
Toxic levels of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, irritating aldehydes
and ketones.>>

Thanks for the info.

The word "levels" throws a big question mark, and indeed a central 
point of my question, into the mix. How much material being combusted 
are they talking about?

Does using a 22 ga. hot wire to cut through 4" of stryofoam (expanded 
polystyrene) actually release toxic levels of anything? A foam 
fabricator here had the material and their procedures tested and 
determined that they were melting (not burning) such a small amount of 
the actual material, the fumes although slightly smelly contained 
mostly water.

<<Unusual or Explosive Hazards:
Danger! Extremely flammable materials may release vapors that travel
long distances, ignite, and
explode in a fire. Do not expose to heat, sparks, flame, static, or
other sources of ignition. When
tool, ground and bond all containers.
Explosive air-vapor mixtures may form. Fire gives off dense black 
smoke
and acid gasses. Electrostatic
source of ignition due to accumulated pentane vapors exceeding the
L.E.L. (lower explosive
Pentane vapors may be emitted from newly opened containers or when the
product is heated. If
high rate of flame propagation.">>

This seems to be the "dead before you hit the ground" version... at 
least that part of it that I can make sense of. 

I'm all for safety but when I read something that screams "DANGER 
DANGER", I look for cooler heads and calmer decriptions of the actual 
dangers of the product.

<<<<"NO SMOKING - NO MATCHES - NO LIGHTERS - NO WELDING" rules should 
be
enforced.>>

Rather than smoking, matches and lighters, shouldn't the rule contain 
"No open flame."?

Laters,

Paul

"Your Honour, you're crazy!" said Tom judgementally.

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Message-ID: <8528438.1169067300517.JavaMail.? [at] fh122.dia.he.tucows.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:55:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" <paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net>
Subject: Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?


<< And for a completely different approach,  for that size block why
not
> either a band saw, if you have a big one, or a hand saw, or most
> likely build a big Bow saw,  Cut a properly sized C shape out of ply
> or build it out of pine. Take a band saw blade and snap it or grind
it
> to create a long length of  blade stock. Screw or clamp the blade to
> the C frame and you will have a hand powered big Mama hack saw that
> will cut the straight sides with no fumes and very little dust. It
> works best with 2 people cutting and wooden guides to saw against.>>

or build a "bow saw". Essentially, think of the letter "C"...

Oh heck... here's a picture:

http://www.geocities.com/plybench/bowsaw.html

You can do this with a bandsaw blade or hot wire.

I built my hot wire cutter using a simple Lutron dimmer from the 
hardware store and nichrome wire form a ceramics place. I attached the 
nichrome wire to 2 sticks (think drumsticks) with the sliding dimmer 
attached to one of them. I put a piece of tpe to stop the slider at the 
appropriate temp.

Laters,

Paul

"I hate quizzes," Tom stated testily.

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Message-ID: <002901c73a7a$cd47e2d0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41352371 [at] prxy.net> <list-41354571 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:02:30 -0800

> What are light locks, the carpenter asked?
>
> Must be a Canadian thing, eh?


Well, although Portland, OR, USA kinda looks like the Great White North 
right now (with the snow) - we're not Canadian, and yet we call 'em that. 
'Em is a vestibule, separating, for example, the lobby from the seating 
region - doors at each end.  The lobby being light (and loud), and the 
auditorium being dark (and quiet).  Some also call them "Sound Locks," but 
my personal favorite is "Air Lock."  (You can pretend you're going from one 
pressurized section (the theatre) to the less-pressured section (the lobby). 
Making the "Whoosh" sound effect when opening the doors is optional.)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <02f801c73a7a$d3b27ea0$6401a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-41355792 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Was hand injury, now blade speed
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:02:39 -0500

 A "normal" reaction time is right in the range of 250-280ms
That is a testing situation where the subject KNOWS he is supposed to
react quickly.
That is NOT including:
realization,
reacting against forces already in motion (sleeve being pulled)
allowing the brain to react with sufficient force to counteract said
forces.
allowing the brain to react in as safe a way as possible.  (release
button, release saw, jerk hand out of the way.etc..)

and probably a whole bunch of things I missed.
I would guestimate closer to 750ms to 1 second to clear the machine,
IF one was being attentive.
That's at least a half second of shredding going on.
and that can cause a LOT of damage.

YInjuryMV

Respect the machines. Don't allow oneself to get into those
situations.
(back to the ignorance / stupidity issue)


> OTOH, if I were on the other side of the room and the saw started,
and I
> felt a simultaneous tug on my sleeve, I'd probably react in a
remarkably
> similar fashion.

Yes you would and so would I.

Rob't


>
> >I believe both are fast enough to catch anyone - you might be lucky
enough
> >to escape with minor injuries due to quick reflexes, but if you're
> >inattentive you're going to get something for your trouble.
>
> If my arm were resting on a ledge, say, the runoff of a chop-saw,
and my
> sleeve were inadvertently to come in contact with a saw, say, that
had the
> switch stuck in the 'on' position and was only able to be shut off
by
> unplugging it, and say someone who thought that they were doing a
mitzvah
> were to plug that in and start the saw.  If I were to hear that saw
start
> and feel *ANYTHING* pulling my sleeve, I would be able to get my arm
away
> from the saw in time *to prevent it from ripping parts off.*  While
I am
> not convonced that I wouldn't be going to the ER to get the results
cleaned
> and sutured, I'm pretty sure that rehab, reconstruction, and/or
prosthetics
> wouldn't be in my future.
> Or I could be wrong.
> OTOH, if I were on the other side of the room and the saw started,
and I
> felt a simultaneous tug on my sleeve, I'd probably react in a
remarkably
> similar fashion.
> Chris "Chris" Babbie



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Message-ID: <y88VDpIy3orFFwSa [at] ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:58:26 +0000
From: Clive Mitchell <bigclive1 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: A Bit off Topic
References: <list-41350246 [at] prxy.net> <list-41350822 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41350822 [at] prxy.net>

In message <list-41350822 [at] prxy.net>, Frank E. Merrill 
<Lamplighter [at] tcon.net> writes
>I got a call from my lead guy at 8:00 the next morning, asking me to 
>verify where the curtains were to go.  He had the drawings, and had the 
>foreman standing next to him during the call, but there was no stage! 
>Turned out the GC figured that I could install tracks and curtains 
>while they were still pouring concrete and laying CMU, and expected me 
>to protect the curtains by putting plastic sheeting over them!

Well I've just finished installing and wiring three lighting bars and 
matching dimmer racks in a new build school, and it was one of the most 
organised and well put together sites I've ever been on.  Even the 
slight annoyance of discovering that my drops to the bars needed to be 
moved due to a lighting conflict was no problem due to the good 
atmosphere on the job.  They apologised and said they would move them 
for me, but I said it was OK and did it myself.

I took a look at the rest of the installation and was astonished to find 
immaculate cable containment with oodles of space for it's load of 
cables and more.

That makes such a change from the hideously bad and quite frankly 
dangerous installations being done by many of the "big name" contractors 
with their "we employ anybody" policy.  They tend to use a minimum of 
badly installed containment and then whack chunks of plastic conduit at 
random angles into the "harder" areas. It's dubious whether many of 
their employees are anything other than labourers.  But hey!  They're 
NICEIC approved so it must be OK.

So who was the main contractor on the good job?  Glasgow District 
Council!  Yep, a council team of management and workers that were doing 
sterling work.  Everything just oozed common sense.  What a change that 
makes.

-- 
Clive Mitchell
http://www.bigclive.com

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171305s641f09ehea1c138ec9cfcc5e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:05:31 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Telex Clear Comm.
In-Reply-To: <list-41357461 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41357461 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Graham Wakefield <graham.wakefield [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Does anyone know of any products that will let you use cell phone
> headsets with Telex's clear comm system?
> Thanks in Advance
> Graham

Not sure if you can buy an off-the-shelf adapter. You can modify a
cell phone headset to work.

See
www.matgoebel.com/headset/headset.htm or snipurl.com/17q9n
and
www.matgoebel.com/headset/headset2.htm or snipurl.com/17q9r

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Subject: RE: Telex Clear Comm.
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:07:09 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0731C6A7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41358297 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> See
> www.matgoebel.com/headset/headset.htm or snipurl.com/17q9n=20
> and www.matgoebel.com/headset/headset2.htm or snipurl.com/17q9r

Beat me to it. =20

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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171320t60244730td8060e49b2b5f328 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:20:19 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
In-Reply-To: <list-41358191 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41352371 [at] prxy.net> <list-41354571 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-41358191 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Jon Ares <jonares [at] hevanet.com> wrote:

> Well, although Portland, OR, USA kinda looks like the Great White North
> right now (with the snow) - we're not Canadian, and yet we call 'em that.
> 'Em is a vestibule, separating, for example, the lobby from the seating
> region - doors at each end.  The lobby being light (and loud), and the
> auditorium being dark (and quiet).  Some also call them "Sound Locks," but
> my personal favorite is "Air Lock."  (You can pretend you're going from one
> pressurized section (the theatre) to the less-pressured section (the lobby).

Ah, yes.  Air locks.  Are they supposed to be black holes as well?  I
always seem to find the ones whose purpose seems to be to remove all
light from the vestibule, while at the same time containing the
house/work light switches, thus ensuring that it is impossible to turn
the lights on unless you have your flashlight with you.

> Making the "Whoosh" sound effect when opening the doors is optional.)

William "The Shat" Shatner in Airplane II, to open the doors on the
moonbase: "Sssh"

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <45AE9478.6010609 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:26:16 -0700
From: Chip Wood <chip.a.wood [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
References: <list-41314160 [at] prxy.net> <list-41325532 [at] prxy.net> <list-41326722 [at] prxy.net> <list-41338030 [at] prxy.net> <list-41347345 [at] prxy.net> <list-41349141 [at] prxy.net> <list-41349786 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41349786 [at] prxy.net>

Bruce Purdy wrote:

>> A new school just opened in my city, and they are actually calling in
>> the cafetorium.
> 
>     As far back as late 60's I heard schools use that term. A small 
> stage in the cafeteria was referred to as a "Cafetorium" 
> 
I performed the title role in "The Little Prince" (yes, I was the 
statue)in 1954 in the Oak Grove Jr. High cafetorium.  Complete with 
large juice can PARs, and we didn't need no skeenkin' wireless mics.

Chip

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In-Reply-To: <list-41355977 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41355977 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <21683352-07C0-48C2-B2AE-3054D75AA6F7 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: digi. projector
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:08:43 -0500


On 17 Jan 2007, at 07:31, CB wrote:

> Power Point has one great  advantage that none of these have.   
> THere are
> millioins of pwople scattered all over the planet that kow how to  
> use it,
> and can replace your entire projection staff and computer if you  
> just keep
> the show on a spare flash drive with you.
> Say what you will about Macs, but in the projection world you will  
> find
> that less than five percent of operators tend toward macs.

	Power Point and Macs are not mutually exclusive. I run PP on my Mac.
I'll admit that there are a lot more PCs out there, but that's really  
besides the point. Put your Flash drive with a PP presentation into  
my Mac and you're good to go.

	Also, whenever someone comes in here with a computer driven  
presentation they invariably bring their own laptop with them. If  
they happen to be using some esoteric software, it's not a problem -  
'cause it's their  own machine that they're running it from.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Message-ID: <000301c73a84$c77f6ee0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41352371 [at] prxy.net> <list-41354571 [at] prxy.net> <list-41358191 [at] prxy.net> <list-41358856 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:13:55 -0800

> Ah, yes.  Air locks.  Are they supposed to be black holes as well?  I
> always seem to find the ones whose purpose seems to be to remove all
> light from the vestibule, while at the same time containing the
> house/work light switches, thus ensuring that it is impossible to turn
> the lights on unless you have your flashlight with you.


My new theatre has a 'normal' air lock between the house and lobby, and two 
black holes that lead to back stage.  They are indeed black holes.  They've 
painted walls and ceiling gloss black.  There are no light switches in 
those, but you can't find a doorknob or door pull.  Everyone just does the 
Braille thing: sliding along the wall until they reach a corner.  (I 
actually have installed a night light in each one, so at least it's not 
pitch black in there.)

Our space was also spec'd by the theatre consultants to have light switches 
with little incandescent indicators.... but spec'd that the indicators be ON 
when the lights are ON, and OFF when it's dark.  So.... how are you supposed 
to find the lightswitch??  This question was asked by the contractors as 
well, but hey - "It's in the spec."

During the late summer, as we were moving in, I asked the Strand rep and the 
electrical contractor how much effort would it be to program the system to 
do just the opposite?  Couple of clicks on a keyboard, and moving of one 
wire, and ta-daa.  We can now find the lightswitches in the dark.  To hell 
with the "spec."

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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In-Reply-To: <list-41354133 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41354133 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <EC72D8EC-3CD4-4A04-8C07-5A1D9E5390C7 [at] rochester.rr.com>
From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:41:07 -0500


On 17 Jan 2007, at 06:38, CB wrote:

> This si the part that I was talking about when I said that I  
> commend you
> for what you do.

	Thanks, I appreciate that.

> It's not that I don't understand your position, it's that
> I lament it.  Those that part with beans don't understand that  
> there are
> two dozen important jobs in theatre, and they try to fill it with one
> paycheck, grudgingly.

	Here's where I take issue. It sounds like you think that they are  
just being cheap and they don't want to spend any more than they have  
to. I happen to understand the other side of the picture though.  
(Part of being a Libra - I tend to look at issues from both sides and  
try to keep them in balance.) We have a 1,400 seat house that aint  
cheap to operate. (Especially heat!) This in a small town that  
doesn't actively support the arts. We can seat approximately 10% of  
the  population of this city, so it's rarely very full. Our ticket  
prices are extremely low - half that of what the same acts get a  
couple hours away and we still can't sell as many tickets as they do.

	Rental rates to outside groups are ridiculously  low, and they still  
complain that it's too much. The board isn't just being cheap, they  
just can't afford more. They often say that they wish that they could  
afford to hire an assistant for me - though if that money was there  
I'd rather they just pay me a more decent salary ;-)

	Yes, it's frustrating when they do spend a fortune on refinishing  
gold leaf and such, but this is the result of massive fund raising  
efforts and grants that can't be used for things like salaries.

> If there is no sound engineer, the sound will be
> marginal, at it's very best.  Same with lighting, rigging, dance
> choreography, you name it.  Those that wear all the hats are happy  
> with
> 'done'.  If it works, move on, I have other stuff to do.  I'm not  
> pointing
> the finger at you, Bruce, I'm pointing it past you.  I know that  
> you would
> *love* to have a handful of experts to come take the load off.

	Actually, I rather enjoy the variety. It doesn't lead to boredom,  
'cause I'm always doing something different. I'm not a particularly  
good delegator, more of a do-it-yourselfer. I suppose that's why this  
job is such a perfect fit for me.

	I understand where you're coming from, and realise that sound does  
get short shrift in many cases, but this aint Broadway here. Concerts  
do get professional attention but for many other types of events  
"good enough" really IS good enough.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC

At 7:48 AM -0500 1/17/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>>  i heard recently that life was actually discovered east of 6th Ave....
>
>Not *civilized* life.


There isn't any civilized life east of the Erie Canal.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

    "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to comprehend...
     Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand."
                              --Rush, "Witch Hunt"

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Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> Our boards don't have park.

There is a way around this, if your boards have user definable dimmer
profiles. This assumes that you can use multiple profiles at once, which
has always been the case on boards I have used.

It is not "park", but does set a minimum level for a channel/dimmer.

Bill



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Subject: Re: Hey

At 11:09 AM -0500 1/17/07, CB wrote:

>make sure that you get your English
>classes in.  Get 'A's.
>I missed a few classes in high school, and you see how they disrespect *me*
>on this list!


We don't diss you because of your writing skills (or lack thereof), 
Chris; we diss you because you're a hum-head.

Y'gotta be accurate about these things, y'know.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

      "I have grown to detest the exact kind of
       people AOL markets to: the clueless teeming
       millions who have absolutely no business
       anywhere near a computer or on the Internet."

                       -- Ray Owen
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Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:26:26 -0500


On 17 Jan 2007, at 18:11, Rigger wrote:

> There isn't any civilized life east of the Erie Canal.

	Have you started drinking already??
The Erie canal runs east / west, so unless you mean Massachusetts,  
there is no "East of the Erie canal".

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> and general auditorium.  We dubbed it the "churcafegymrinktorium".

A bit clumsy on the tongue, perhaps?

I would have called it something like the churcafagymorinkatorium.

Bill



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Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?

At 12:04 PM -0500 1/17/07, Brian Munroe wrote:

>>  The clips I was referring to were actual stage productions.  In the
>>  audi-cafe-gymna-torium, with hundreds of grandparents and siblings in the
>>  audience.
>
>  A new school just opened in my city, and they are actually calling it
>  the cafetorium.


I'm currently about 2/3rds of the way through a rigging install in a 
just-opened-two-days-ago middle school, here in town; the 
"auditorium" (I still call it a theatre) isn't done yet, but the rest 
of the facility is.

Among other details in this project, I had to dead-hang two travelers 
on the smaller stage in the space that the school administration 
calls the...

Wait for it...

Yep, you guessed it...

Cafetorium.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

  If Helen Keller had psychic ability,
    would you say that she had a "fourth sense"?

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Subject: Re: OT: CafePress.com

At 9:26 AM -0800 1/17/07, Michael Heinicke wrote:

>I have seen several mentions of CafePress.com on the
>list over the past year or two. Can someone comment on
>the quality of their products? A similar company that
>I have heard of is SpreadShirt.com. Is anyone familiar
>with them and their quality?


I've been quite satisfied with CafePress in the past, both as a buyer 
and as a seller. Good stuff, good printing, fair price.

I don't know a thing about SpreadShirt.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

    Yet another smart-ass post that Mike Sachs won't see.

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Subject: Re[2]: A Bit off Topic

At 12:57 PM -0500 1/17/07, Frank E. Merrill wrote:

>  I got a call from my lead guy at 8:00 the next morning, asking me to
>  verify where the curtains were to go.  He had the drawings, and had
>  the foreman standing next to him during the call, but there was no
>  stage!  Turned out the GC figured that I could install tracks and
>  curtains while they were still pouring concrete and laying CMU, and
>  expected me to protect the curtains by putting plastic sheeting over
>  them!


Oh, Dan Culhane...  Are you snickering here, too?
(yes, kidlets; we have a similar story....)

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:42:22 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: WAS independant channels/subs

At 1:02 PM -0800 1/17/07, Jon Ares wrote:

>Making the "Whoosh" sound effect when opening the doors is optional.


No it isn't!

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

   "Of course your bike runs cold. It's probably got
    a stuffy nose and a sore throat, too, poor dear."

                            -- The Horkster

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Subject: Re: LCD Projector Question
Date:	Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:43:33 -0500
From:	<brooklyn [at] dopher.com>

Herrick wrote:

>
> The biggest/brightest you can afford! And since it's over the house  
> the
> quietest. Try to keep your cyc as dark as possible. God luck. :)

Spoken like a true TV and industrials designer.

I'd like to toss these considerations into the discussion:

1) has Robert actually set up and tried the projector to see what  
image it gives him?
2) Is "brighter is better" actually true, PARTICULARLY when dealing  
with dance?  IME, fewer lumens can help blend the video into the  
dance lighting overall and look a lot better.  In TV, you must  
balance for cameras (and these days LED sources are throwing a great  
deal of TV lighting out of whack) and in Industrials the lumens are  
ungodly high because you're playing to myopic 50-something engineers  
and administrators who still have trouble seeing the 12x16  
UltraBrightThing from 20 feet away.  But in theatre, especially  
dance, the audience is used to lower footcandles and even expects  
such in the name of "atomosphere" (Provided that fits the concept of  
the piece, of course.)  Leads me to...
3) It is all too easy for a  bank of S4 frontlights to outpower a  
projection, no matter how bright, but sidelights seem to be a  
different matter.  Clear, crisp sidelight on the dancers is nicely  
complimented by a clear, crisp video image, but in general, the  
dancers still need to be the brightest thing on stage.
4) That said, I've dealt with a 1600 lumen projector at 40' throw and  
about a 12x16 image size - not the best I could have asked for unless  
the video was not sharing the stage with dancers and I could put the  
stage in darkness.  I've also dealt with projectors in better spaces  
that were overly bright, particularly on a white cyc or scrim.  I  
wound up putting ND over the lens.
5) Quiet is a bonus.  a huge, huge bonus.  If it is not quite, our  
choreographer may end up without video at all....

Cris Dopher

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Date:	Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:43:43 -0500
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Sam Jones wrote:

>
>> From: Audio Visual <audiovisual [at] tremontsuitehotels.com>
>> Subject: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
>>
>> I am currently using the S4 5 degree instrumentation to throw a  
>> moderate
>> sized image a very long way (about 75 feet).
>
> A little VectorWorks drawing yielded the following:
>
> 1. A 5 deg. fixture throwing a beam 75 feet results in an image  
> 6'-6 1/2"
> tall.
>
> 2. A fixture placed 15' away would need to have a field angle of  
> 24.61 deg.
> to create the same size image.
>
> 3. A fixture placed 30' away would need to have a field angle of  
> 12.45 deg.
> to create the same size image.


On a practical note, this means you should consider simply swapping  
the 5-degree for a 19-degree barrel and moving the instrument in  
until you have an acceptable pattern size on the wall.  This is the  
cheapest solution and the S4 won't look much bigger than your PAR64s.

If weight is the bigger concern (and for track-mount I think it is),  
I support the suggestion of the MicroElipse.  MAYBE a S4 JR.

If good intensity is of concern, you'll want to stick with the S4 or  
S4 jr.

Cris Dopher

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I would recommend checking your local yellow pages. About a year ago I 
did a ton of research to find deals on t-shirts for our student 
organization and found that most online places charged $3 to $5 more per 
shirt on average, had longer processing times, and had less design 
flexibility than the 5 or 6 local places that I talked to. I was able to 
get around 20 shirts for $7 a piece and work directly with the guy who 
was printing them to make sure they gave us exactly what we wanted.

Kyler Glaze
kyler [at] kylerglaze.com
http://www.usittuta.org/

Michael Heinicke wrote:
> I have seen several mentions of CafePress.com on the
> list over the past year or two. Can someone comment on
> the quality of their products? A similar company that
> I have heard of is SpreadShirt.com. Is anyone familiar
> with them and their quality?
>   


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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:48:41 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC

At 6:26 PM -0500 1/17/07, Bruce Purdy wrote:

>>  There isn't any civilized life east of the Erie Canal.
>
>  Have you started drinking already??

Sun's over the yardarm somewhere right now...


>  The Erie canal runs east / west, so unless you mean
>  Massachusetts, there is no "East of the Erie canal".


Aw, jeez... WELLAND Canal, already.

Okay, so I'm a foop-head today. Gimme a break; I hauled about 
13,000lbs. of counterweight up to the new loading bridge this 
morning, and no part of me has worked right since.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  "They say travel broadens the mind...
   So I went over the falls in a barrel."
             --Thos. Dolby, "I Live In A Suitcase"

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:49:40 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?

At 3:31 PM -0800 1/17/07, Bill Nelson wrote:

>>  and general auditorium.  We dubbed it the "churcafegymrinktorium".
>
>  A bit clumsy on the tongue, perhaps?
>  I would have called it something like the churcafagymorinkatorium.


I'm not playing Scrabble against either one of you two.


-- 
Dave Vick
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  "Please Sir", said Alice to the Mad Hatter in a quiet voice,
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:02:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> 	There was still no mention of image size (Other than "Moderate
> sized"). Are you looking to maintain the same image size? I've never
> seen a 1 or 2 degree instrument.

Why would a narrower beam angle be desired? The intrument will be mounted
closer to the projection surface, which would require a wider beam angle.

It sounds like the S4 15-30 degree zoom would be ideal - except possibly
for weight. At 1/4 the distance, the angle required to get the same size
image would be 20 degree. 15 degrees would be just about right for 30
feet. That would make 30 degrees about right for 15 feet. They are a bit
spendy, however.

I wouldn't recommend the S4 Jr unless there are already some in the house
used for pattern projection. They use the smaller M sized gobo.

Bill


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Subject: Re: OT: CafePress.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:05:02 -0800

> I would recommend checking your local yellow pages. About a year ago I did 
> a ton of research to find deals on t-shirts for our student organization 
> and found that most online places charged $3 to $5 more per shirt on 
> average, had longer processing times, and had less design flexibility than 
> the 5 or 6 local places that I talked to.

Go local when you can.  You get what you pay for, and the local folk will 
work harder to keep your business.

That said, I won't go with the 'cheapest' local guy/gal.  I've been burned 
too many times.  (I've designed a LOT of shirts and other wear that got 
screen printed.  In college, I was even an artist on staff for just such a 
company.)  I've ended up using the same company for several years, and 
price-wise they're in the middle of the pack to high, but the quality is 
excellent and worth it.

The problem with most local companies is that they need a certain minimum 
before the price becomes affordable.  Whether you need one shirt, or 200, 
they still have to make plates (one per color, front OR back).  So, the 
local folk often can't get into the 'competitive' range until you get into 
the 20 or more shirt range.  This is where CafePress.com comes in.

I do not recommend CafePress.com for big-run stuff, but maybe, if you only 
want or expect a few orders, maybe it's the way to go.  I've only seen 3 
items that were from CafePress, and I didn't see any difference in quality 
as a decent 'local' job.  Not that I examined closely, but I would not have 
noticed a difference between a CafePress printed shirt, and a shirt done at 
a good local shop, where there was an order of 200 pieces.  (IOW, it clearly 
wasn't an iron-on transfer.)

     - Jon Ares
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:12:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> A new school just opened in my city, and they are actually calling in
> the cafetorium.

In my home town, there is an interesting variation. There is a regular
theatre with a rather poor stage - wing space limited and no fly space.
The back wall opens up to the cafeteria - so that can be used for overflow
seating if needed.

However, the theatre itself will sit most of the town's population, so I
never saw the overflow seating used.

They also show third/fourth run movies there - a B movie would be a treat.
The projection booth for the two 35mm projectors is above the cafeteria.

Bill


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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:12:22 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
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On 1/17/07, Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:

> Okay, so I'm a foop-head today. Gimme a break; I hauled about
> 13,000lbs. of counterweight up to the new loading bridge this
> morning, and no part of me has worked right since.

They make these things called "chain motors" that are real handy for
hauling heavy objects up to loading bridges.  They even have high
speed versions available.

Still sucks to load and unload all that weight.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:24:27 -0500
Subject: Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
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Sam,

Uh, ok. So your measurements are the overall beam pool width. Right?

YSSF,

shelley


On 1/17/07 2:32 PM, "Samuel Jones" <sjones [at] ucla.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I used the nominal angle of 5 deg. which should be the field angle, the beam
> angle should be less.  In addition the gobo holder field will effect the
> size.  However, since he is trying to get an image of the same size from a
> shorter distance, the relative size and degree descriptions should be
> correct. Whatever size the image was it will take a fixture between 12 and
> 24 degrees to get an image of that same size depending on the throw that is
> between 15 and 30 feet.  I just draw; I don't do anything real.
> 
> Sam 
> 
> 
> Samuel L. Jones
> Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor
> Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
> AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain Hoist Tool Developer
> sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
> ==========================================================
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:04:41 -0500
>> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Subject: Re: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
>> 
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Hey sam;
>> 
>> Are your measurements overall beam pool width? If so then the image will be
>> smaller, yes?
>> 
>> YSF,
>> 
>> shelley
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/17/07 12:29 PM, "Samuel Jones" <sjones [at] ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Audio Visual <audiovisual [at] tremontsuitehotels.com>
>>>> Subject: More Info Gobo Instrument Needed
>>>> 
>>>> I am currently using the S4 5 degree instrumentation to throw a moderate
>>>> sized image a very long way (about 75 feet).
>>> 
>>> A little VectorWorks drawing yielded the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. A 5 deg. fixture throwing a beam 75 feet results in an image 6'-6 1/2"
>>> tall.
>>> 
>>> 2. A fixture placed 15' away would need to have a field angle of 24.61 deg.
>>> to create the same size image.
>>> 
>>> 3. A fixture placed 30' away would need to have a field angle of 12.45 deg.
>>> to create the same size image.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Sam
>>> 
>>> Samuel L. Jones
>>> Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor
>>> Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA
>>> AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain Hoist Tool Developer
>>> sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu
>>> ==========================================================
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Steve Shelley
>> SoftSymbols Designer
>> MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
>> www.fieldtemplate.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:34:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1D42AA8.B2EE%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41363548 [at] prxy.net>

Hello dave;

Foop-head? I presume that's a typo?

The only "foop" I can remember is from a million years ago, when I was
acting in a production of the scottish play, and was carrying a spear when
they told macduff his family had been murdered.

And instead of saying (if I got this right):

"all my pretty chickens and their dam in one fell swoop?"

he instead, in a moment of passioned dylexia, said:

"all my pretty chickens and their dam in one swell foop?"

You could count the pairs of shoulders bouncing from all us spear boys
facing upstage.

Anyway, sorry you had a foopy day.

shelley


On 1/17/07 6:48 PM, "Rigger" <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> At 6:26 PM -0500 1/17/07, Bruce Purdy wrote:
> 
>>>  There isn't any civilized life east of the Erie Canal.
>> 
>>  Have you started drinking already??
> 
> Sun's over the yardarm somewhere right now...
> 
> 
>>  The Erie canal runs east / west, so unless you mean
>>  Massachusetts, there is no "East of the Erie canal".
> 
> 
> Aw, jeez... WELLAND Canal, already.
> 
> Okay, so I'm a foop-head today. Gimme a break; I hauled about
> 13,000lbs. of counterweight up to the new loading bridge this
> morning, and no part of me has worked right since.

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <4285.205.215.253.92.1169080560.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-41343020 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41313076 [at] prxy.net> <list-41343020 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:36:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

> likely build a big Bow saw,  Cut a properly sized C shape out of ply
> or build it out of pine.

If someone decides they want to build a bow saw (tension frame saw) hot
wire cutting device, I would suggest checking the RC airplane
books/magazines. Such devices are frequently used to cut out foam cores
for aircraft wings.

Bill



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References: <list-41364801 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:48:46 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC

At 7:34 PM -0500 1/17/07, Steve Shelley wrote:

>Hello dave;
>
>Foop-head? I presume that's a typo?


Negative; it's a place-holder for the real word I'd've inserted in 
that sentence, but it wouldn't be appropriate to the list.

(fwiw, i've used "one swell foop" for years)

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try.

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In-Reply-To: <list-41364183 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41339858 [at] prxy.net> <list-41362458 [at] prxy.net>	
 <list-41362823 [at] prxy.net> <list-41363548 [at] prxy.net> <list-41364183 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:53:56 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC

At 7:12 PM -0500 1/17/07, Brian Munroe wrote:

>>  Okay, so I'm a foop-head today. Gimme a break; I hauled about
>>  13,000lbs. of counterweight up to the new loading bridge this
>>  morning, and no part of me has worked right since.
>
>They make these things called "chain motors" that are real handy for
>hauling heavy objects up to loading bridges.  They even have high
>speed versions available.


They have this clever invention called a "scissor lift," too. You may 
have heard rumors of their existance, over there in scenic 
Wherever-You-Are.


>  Still sucks to load and unload all that weight.

Hence my comment, bearing in mind the lift deck is at least a foot 
over head-high for me.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:06:49 -0500
Subject: Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" <deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <C1D43259.112EE%deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41364859 [at] prxy.net>

There are also numerous items on eBay.  Intended
for craft stuff, but also others.  Google hot
foam cutters and you'll find others.

Steve

> From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:36:00 -0800 (PST)
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: large hot-wire cutting apparatus?
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> likely build a big Bow saw,  Cut a properly sized C shape out of ply
>> or build it out of pine.
> 
> If someone decides they want to build a bow saw (tension frame saw) hot
> wire cutting device, I would suggest checking the RC airplane
> books/magazines. Such devices are frequently used to cut out foam cores
> for aircraft wings.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 


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Message-ID: <b7aa28010701171744o2ff3f051ye42f5e25fd068c62 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:44:08 -0500
From: "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
In-Reply-To: <list-41365466 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41339858 [at] prxy.net> <list-41362458 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-41362823 [at] prxy.net> <list-41363548 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-41364183 [at] prxy.net> <list-41365466 [at] prxy.net>

On 1/17/07, Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:

> They have this clever invention called a "scissor lift," too. You may
> have heard rumors of their existance, over there in scenic
> Wherever-You-Are.

I'm in that uncivilized part of the country that is west of 6th Ave
and east of the Erie Canal. A lot closer to 6th Ave.


> >  Still sucks to load and unload all that weight.
>
> Hence my comment, bearing in mind the lift deck is at least a foot
> over head-high for me.

All kidding aside  (and I was kidding about the chain motors,
tone-of-voice is hard to convey in an email)...

How high is the loading bridge? There must be an easier way to load
weight onto the bridge.  Maybe forklift the weight into the scissor
lift first?  Or how about a hole in the roof and a crane?  Or maybe
some anti-gravity pallets?  If they only made a "kneeling" scissors
lift, like the buses that lower to the curb.

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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Message-ID: <45AED739.5000603 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:11:05 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Portable Stages and Building Code

I am hoping some one here might be able to help me out with an issue I 
am having with portable stages and how they relate to building code.

Our local building code inspector has indicated that according to the 
International Building Code (IBC) all stages that are 30" tall or 
higher, must have railings around it do to the leading edge. Does 
anybody know of a part of the code that may contradict this requirement? 
Or if there is a section that exempts stages? I am sure the AHJ is 
competent, but I find sometimes the local AHJs are not always aware of 
(or have forgotten) code sections related to temporary installations as 
well as entertainment related issues addressed in the codes.

 I am working on an event that is planned to be done in the round, and 
do to the number of people and the tables and chairs we can not really 
afford to loose the intended height on the stage to meet the code, but 
we will figure something out if we have too. It just seems that there 
are a lot of portable stages higher than 30" used that are not railed 
off, so I have to question if there is a section of the code we need to 
look into, or is this just one of those codes that gets broken fairly 
regularly?

I went to the library to look through the code, but it is a rather large 
thing that I am not real familiar with, so I figured I would see if 
there may be some insight available from the folks here as well.

Thank you for any assistance you may be able to offer.
 

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Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20070117195534.0201b588 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:14:29 -0600
From: Mitch Hefter <stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com>
Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
In-Reply-To: <list-41336002 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41336002 [at] prxy.net>

CB wrote:
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:20:39
>From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
>Subject: Re: Sussing Sound Buzz when lighting might be the culprit?
>
> >And simply "grounding everything" doesn't necessarily help if you've got a
> >ground loop - it could make it worse.  CB will set me straight here I'm 
> sure.
>
>Nope, you're straight.  Steady as she goes...
>
> >Whenever I've been questioned about a sound system buzz that wasn't there
> >before the dimmer system, I've always asked them to verify the ground loop
> >situation.  If there isn't one, then we'll go onto the next step, such as
> >a bad ground, bad neutral, or ground/neutral issue as described above.  I
> >can't recall anyone calling back to say that they have no ground loop
> >issue but still have a buzz.
>
>Ehm, you've left the track a bit here.  Hums and buzzes with the lighting
>package as the culprit do not depend on a faulty ground scheme in the sound
>dept.  Sure, a good ground scheme will make a sound system immune to *some*
>of the issues that are created by the squints, but not all.

Sorry - didn't think I was that far off track.  When I've been questioned, 
it's regarding the dimmers from whichever company I was working for at the 
time of the question.  All these companies had dimmers with good chokes 
--except Entertainment Technology, which uses IGBTs instead of SCRs and 
gets better EMI/RFI/Mechanical noise performance without chokes (plug: 
contact me off-line at the genlytecontrols.com address below for more 
info).  A good choke will suppress EMI/RFI, but may not totally eliminate 
it.  Bad installation, which may include the aforementioned ground loops, 
can bring out the remaining noise.  And sometimes the installation could be 
a dimming system install issue.

><snip>

. . .
------------------------------------------------------------------
Mitch Hefter

Office:  Entertainment Technology, a Genlyte Company
     mhefter  [at]  genlytecontrols.com   +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967
http://www.etdimming.com  ::  http://www.vari-lite.com



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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:50:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Portable Stages and Building Code
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1D44AA7.B2FC%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41367619 [at] prxy.net>

Hi brian;

1. where are you? This might have an impact locally on unknown height
restrictions or past events.

2. I would call/write/pigeon bill sapsis. If he doesn't respond within
moments it must be because he's working for a change. 800-727-7471

3. if you can't get through or want a second opinion I would suggest
mountain productions. Mr. jimmy evans is a prince and has saved my bacon
with his knowledge numerous times: 570-826-5566. If he is not available
there are many other folks who know what they know and what they don't know.

Hth,

shelley


On 1/17/07 9:11 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I am hoping some one here might be able to help me out with an issue I
> am having with portable stages and how they relate to building code.
> 
> Our local building code inspector has indicated that according to the
> International Building Code (IBC) all stages that are 30" tall or
> higher, must have railings around it do to the leading edge. Does
> anybody know of a part of the code that may contradict this requirement?
> Or if there is a section that exempts stages? I am sure the AHJ is
> competent, but I find sometimes the local AHJs are not always aware of
> (or have forgotten) code sections related to temporary installations as
> well as entertainment related issues addressed in the codes.
> 
>  I am working on an event that is planned to be done in the round, and
> do to the number of people and the tables and chairs we can not really
> afford to loose the intended height on the stage to meet the code, but
> we will figure something out if we have too. It just seems that there
> are a lot of portable stages higher than 30" used that are not railed
> off, so I have to question if there is a section of the code we need to
> look into, or is this just one of those codes that gets broken fairly
> regularly?
> 
> I went to the library to look through the code, but it is a rather large
> thing that I am not real familiar with, so I figured I would see if
> there may be some insight available from the folks here as well.
> 
> Thank you for any assistance you may be able to offer.
>  

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:52:53 -0500
Subject: IATSE Local 9 (Syracuse)
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1D44B35.183F5%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41279952 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy.   I know that there are more than a few list members from Local 9 and
I wanted to publicly thank them for their hospitality on Monday.  I
conducted a rigging seminar for them and it was a really nice experience.
Good bunch of folks.  We laughed, we cried, we tied knots.  And dinner at
the Dinosaur was great too!

Thanks again guys.  It was great!

(now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile

The Long Reach Long Riders are in New England, July 29 - Aug 6.  C'mon and
ride with us!






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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:57:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Stagecraft Drinks night NYC
From: Steve Shelley <mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1D44C64.B304%mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41366868 [at] prxy.net>

Hello brian;

Or if you get those spatial compressors that reduces the distance from the
stage deck to the loading bridge to .3785". Then you can shove the weight
directly onto the loading bridge with a palette jack.

Sorry. Been converting softsymbols into softplot gak too long today. Mouse.
Send. Rinse. Repeat.

shelley


On 1/17/07 8:44 PM, "Brian Munroe" <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> On 1/17/07, Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:
> 
>> They have this clever invention called a "scissor lift," too. You may
>> have heard rumors of their existance, over there in scenic
>> Wherever-You-Are.
> 
> I'm in that uncivilized part of the country that is west of 6th Ave
> and east of the Erie Canal. A lot closer to 6th Ave.
> 
> 
>>>  Still sucks to load and unload all that weight.
>> 
>> Hence my comment, bearing in mind the lift deck is at least a foot
>> over head-high for me.
> 
> All kidding aside  (and I was kidding about the chain motors,
> tone-of-voice is hard to convey in an email)...
> 
> How high is the loading bridge? There must be an easier way to load
> weight onto the bridge.  Maybe forklift the weight into the scissor
> lift first?  Or how about a hole in the roof and a crane?  Or maybe
> some anti-gravity pallets?  If they only made a "kneeling" scissors
> lift, like the buses that lower to the curb.
> 
> Brian Munroe
> bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

-- 
Steve Shelley
SoftSymbols Designer
MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net
www.fieldtemplate.com



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Message-ID: <45AEE5A2.40208 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:12:34 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Portable Stages and Building Code
References: <list-41368501 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41368501 [at] prxy.net>


Sounds great and thank you.
We are located in Virginia
Steve Shelley wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi brian;
>
> 1. where are you? This might have an impact locally on unknown height
> restrictions or past events.
>
> 2. I would call/write/pigeon bill sapsis. If he doesn't respond within
> moments it must be because he's working for a change. 800-727-7471
>
> 3. if you can't get through or want a second opinion I would suggest
> mountain productions. Mr. jimmy evans is a prince and has saved my bacon
> with his knowledge numerous times: 570-826-5566. If he is not available
> there are many other folks who know what they know and what they don't know.
>
> Hth,
>
> shelley
>
>
> On 1/17/07 9:11 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I am hoping some one here might be able to help me out with an issue I
>> am having with portable stages and how they relate to building code.
>>
>> Our local building code inspector has indicated that according to the
>> International Building Code (IBC) all stages that are 30" tall or
>> higher, must have railings around it do to the leading edge. Does
>> anybody know of a part of the code that may contradict this requirement?
>> Or if there is a section that exempts stages? I am sure the AHJ is
>> competent, but I find sometimes the local AHJs are not always aware of
>> (or have forgotten) code sections related to temporary installations as
>> well as entertainment related issues addressed in the codes.
>>
>>  I am working on an event that is planned to be done in the round, and
>> do to the number of people and the tables and chairs we can not really
>> afford to loose the intended height on the stage to meet the code, but
>> we will figure something out if we have too. It just seems that there
>> are a lot of portable stages higher than 30" used that are not railed
>> off, so I have to question if there is a section of the code we need to
>> look into, or is this just one of those codes that gets broken fairly
>> regularly?
>>
>> I went to the library to look through the code, but it is a rather large
>> thing that I am not real familiar with, so I figured I would see if
>> there may be some insight available from the folks here as well.
>>
>> Thank you for any assistance you may be able to offer.
>>  
>>     
>
>   


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Message-ID: <45AEEB66.909 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:37:10 -0500
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: OT: CafePress.com
References: <list-41349863 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41349863 [at] prxy.net>

Michael Heinicke wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I have seen several mentions of CafePress.com on the
> list over the past year or two. Can someone comment on
> the quality of their products? A similar company that
> I have heard of is SpreadShirt.com. Is anyone familiar
> with them and their quality?
> If anyone has opinions that they would like to share
> about these companies or any similar ones, I would
> like to hear them. Contact me offlist so we don't
> waste too much time.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Heinicke
>
>
>
>   

  The Cafepress stuff is all printed on demand.  They use different 
printing technologies for different things.   Dark inks on light colored 
cloth are comparable to screen print quality, IIRC it is some kind of 
super ink-jet printer that prints right onto the item.    LIght colored 
inks on dark cloth require a much thicker ink, and still use the iron on 
transfers, which do not stand up well to normal wash and wear treatment. 

    If your demand is low, and sporadic, then cafepress is a very 
convenient and easy option.  For higher quantities for singular or short 
duration events, then finding a local vendor who can print them for you, 
and can reprint the sizes that you have run out of a few weeks later.  
Building a longer term relationship with a local vendor is usually a 
good thing. 

  --Dale


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