Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41540804; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:18:55 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41540801; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:18:54 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.2 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,DRUGS_DIET,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,SARE_FRAUD_10,SARE_FRAUD_9, SARE_SPEC_PROLEO_M2,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TJ_EMPTY_SUBJECT autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: * X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1102 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:18:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1102 1. Local 322 and other Charlotte Riggers by "Delbert Hall" 2. intro by Kathleen McDonough 3. Re: intro by "Frank E. Merrill" 4. Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Frank E. Merrill" 5. Equipment trade? by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 6. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Michael Heinicke 7. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Stephen Rees 8. Re: Audience Seating by Greg Williams 9. Eye Nuts by "Gerald George" 10. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Michael Heinicke 11. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Jon Lagerquist" 12. Re: Eye Nuts by "Frank E. Merrill" 13. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Delbert Hall" 14. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bruce Purdy 15. Job Posting by Michael Millar 16. Re: Eye Nuts by "Gerald George" 17. Re: Audience Seating by Thomas Grabowski 18. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "LES LIND" 19. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by 20. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 21. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 22. Cafe Press by b Ricie 23. Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Frank E. Merrill" 24. Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Frank E. Merrill" 25. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Don Taco" 26. Re: Audience Seating by 27. Re: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 28. Re: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by 29. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by 30. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Tom Heemskerk" 31. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 32. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Paul Schreiner" 33. Re: Stagecraft Wiki by Myself 34. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Delbert Hall" 35. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 36. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Bill Sapsis 37. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Stephen Rees 38. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Michael Heinicke 39. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Jon Lagerquist" 40. Re: Theatre and PAC Architects by "RD" 41. Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR by Bill Potter 42. Re: Hey by CB 43. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger 44. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger 45. Re: Real bullet! by CB 46. Re: Real bullet! by CB 47. Frankly speaking by CB 48. Re: realistic dock planking (Update) by "Storms, Randy" 49. Re: Real bullet! by 50. Re: USITT 2007 Sessions by "Jon Lagerquist" 51. Re: Real bullet! by Michael Heinicke 52. Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR by Greg Williams 53. Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR by "Bill Nelson" 54. Re: Real bullet! by Clive Mitchell 55. Re: Real bullet! by Stuart Wheaton 56. by "Paul Schreiner" 57. Introduction by Amanda Burke 58. Re: Useful web site resource by "Bill Nelson" 59. Re: by "Bill Nelson" 60. Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR by "Maurice Moe Conn" 61. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Rob Riddle" 62. Re: Frankly speaking by Rigger 63. Re: Frankly speaking by Michael Heinicke 64. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Paul Schreiner" 65. Re: Frankly speaking by "Paul Schreiner" 66. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger 67. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Jon Ares" 68. Palm Treo and Bluetooth by "Occy" 69. Venezuelan lamp by "Laura McMeley" 70. Keystone formula by "Laura McMeley" 71. Drinks night by Herrick Goldman 72. Re: Drinks night by MissWisc [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:14:41 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Local 322 and other Charlotte Riggers I want to thank Don Ketcham and everyone at CPCC who helped in hosting the rigging seminar that I taught on Saturday. We had a great group of folks from Local 322 and area theatres in the Charlotte area (and as far away as Hickory), and a great time was had by all - tying knots, doing rigging math, disussing rigging techniques, and walking through CPCC's new theatre. Good luck to those of you who are taking the upcoming rigging certification exam! Hey, and do not forget to inspect the rigging on your fire safety curtain. You never know when someone is going to disable it in some way. ;-) -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:23:14 -0500 From: Kathleen McDonough Subject: intro Message-id: Hi all, I've been a member of this group for about a month now, and I thought it was time to introduce myself. I'm Kathleen McDonough and I am a production designer at Kevin Lee Allen Design (KLAD). Kevin suggested I join the list, so here I am. I somehow managed to forge a career for myself in design without any formal training, so I'm working on fixing that, as I'm taking Drafting I at Montclair State University. Looking forward to joining in on conversations, hopefully I can add a little bit here and there, to make up for the number of questions I'm sure I'll be asking. -Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:17:26 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1797576176.20070122111726 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: intro In-Reply-To: References: Howdy all! Monday, January 22, 2007, Kathlee McDonough wrote: > Looking forward to joining in on conversations, hopefully I can add a > little bit here and there Welcome to our little circle of Esoteric Geeks, Kathleen!. Please know there are no stupid questions, but we occasionally encounter a few respo...oh...I'll stop right there! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:39:29 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <977068582.20070122113929 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line O wise oracles, once again I beseech thee. Hear thou my humble plea: I have a customer that is tired of digging splinters out of their hands because of the 3/4" Manila ropes used on their counterweight rigging sets, and want me to plunk the Magic Twanger (who is old enough to remember Froggy the Gremlin?) and solve their problems. I'd like a recommendation for 750 feet of a splinter-free 3/4" diameter rope, please. Who has it, How much is on a standard reel, and how much is it, please? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:42:23 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Equipment trade? Hey everyone, I've got some equipment at our theater that we're interested in possibly trading. Some of it brand new and never out of the box.. others slightly used, others heavily used but, well maintained. I'll list what we have, and then list what we're insterested in trading for. Have: 16 BVT New 4 Box of 3 MR16 50W 12V 10 BTN New 2 Sets of Rackmounts for Shure Wireless UA507 New 20 6pin XLR-M Nuetric 20 6pin XLR-F Nuetric 20 NSP S4 par lens 20 VNSP S4 par lens 1 Telex SPS2000A base for Comm (3yrs old works well) 1 Telex US2000A base for Comm (5 yrs old works well) 1 Telex ES4000A Expansion station (unknown if works) 1 Telex IC-4SX Multi in-Multi out (unknown if works) 22 Telex BP2000 Beltpacks (all work well, Some never used and still in original box) 30 Telex WP-3 single gang wall mount connectors 21 25' 6pin XLRm to XLRf cables 1 DB15 m-m 1' 2row "D" connectors for Telex comm base expansion 1 DB9 m-m 2' "D" connectors for Telex comm base expansion 1 DB15 m-m 4' "D" connectors for Telex comm base expansion (NOTE: Telex belt packs and base stations are 2 Channel and were installed in a building improperly wired for it, I found that the previous TD's had simply pulled old base stations and installed new ones thinking the first didn't work. It has been replaced with Clearcomm which can use the smaller wirecount in the building which was also installed in the older theater so we can swap equipment back and forth as needed.) What we are interested in: HPL575W 2000Hr bulbs Twofers and Threefers S4 Wide lens S4 Par Med lens 3 little light bases Lex 50' power cords Case with 6 RUspaces Case with 10 RU spaces Case with 21-26 RU spaces Anyone interested please contact me off list at jkanyuck [at] harford.edu So, who's going to USITT in Phoenix? I'm trying to get there. Jeff Kanyuck Technical Director Harford Community College 401 Thomas Run Road Bel Air, MD 21085 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070122164513.78895.qmail [at] web82207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) In-Reply-To: --- "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > I have a customer that is tired of digging splinters > out of their > hands because of the 3/4" Manila ropes used on their > counterweight > rigging sets, and want me to plunk the Magic Twanger > (who is old > enough to remember Froggy the Gremlin?) and solve > their problems. > > I'd like a recommendation for 750 feet of a > splinter-free 3/4" > diameter rope, please. Who has it, How much is on a > standard reel, > and how much is it, please? We use 3/4" Multiline II on systems in our venue. The installer put it in, but we've been happy with it. I bought replacement line from Uncle Bill. I'm sure that he will be adding his $.02 here soon and can give much more information that I can. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:49:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Unka Bill has at least two varieties. We are using Multiline II in our system, but were we to do this again, we would probably look at Stage Set X or a hollow core 12-plait braided polyester instead. Usual put-up is about 600' on a reel for 3/4" goods. Go for black color. HTH Steve Rees On 1/22/07 11:39 AM, "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > I'd like a recommendation for 750 feet of a splinter-free 3/4" > diameter rope, please. Who has it, How much is on a standard reel, > and how much is it, please? > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:45:54 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Audience Seating In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:08 PM, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > I think your AHJ is in error. Let's see... Jon Ares, who is still AFAIK in Portland, Oregon, refers to his local AHJ, who is presumably interpreting code regarding a local-to-Portland-theatre, and Frank sees an error in that allllllllll the way from England. Amazing. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <802d6cf90701220856i6e12bc5dg4f86229795843946 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:56:06 -0500 From: "Gerald George" Subject: Eye Nuts Hi folks! Getting ready to hang a traveler track in our black box theatre here. The track, which is going up to an existing 1 1/2" pipe, is set up with square hanging clamps that are connected to an 3/8" eye nut via a lap link. This unit connects to another eye nut connected via another lap link to a round pipe hanger. (Thus the eye nutes wind up forming a sort of swivel in between the two hangers.) My question is, what should I use to assemble the eye nuts? They are threaded for 3/8"x16, and I thought perhaps a bolt through with a lock washer and nut, or a double nut, or an aircraft fastener, or one of the above drilled for some safety wire... But for some reason, I thought threaded was not correct for this application. I'm not sure why I think that either... Unca Bill? Anyone? Thanks! Jerry G. D. George Technical Director Salisbury University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <469733.99318.qm [at] web82206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Stephen Rees wrote: > Go for black color. Steve, I'm just curious why you prefer black over the white. Is it for the lower visibility or something more? The installation contractor put in white Multiline II so that is what we will live with until we need to replace more lines and run out of the spool that we have. The only problem we have encountered with the white is that light colored spike tape is hard to see while pulling ropes under show blues, but I would expect the same to be true with dark spikes on black rope. My only problem with the black is that it is $.19 more per foot than the white. That adds up quick when rigging multiple linesets! Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:04:15 -0800 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <45B47E0F.9543.96E0A81 [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: , Personally I like a medium blue. > Go for black color. Jon Lagerquist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:06:40 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1615154858.20070122120640 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Eye Nuts In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, January 22, 2007, Gerald George wrote: > The track, which is going up to an existing 1 1/2" pipe, is set up > with square hanging clamps that are connected to an 3/8" eye nut via a > lap link. This unit connects to another eye nut connected via another > lap link to a round pipe hanger. (Thus the eye nuts wind up forming a > sort of swivel in between the two hangers.) First, I can't imagine why one would need any kind of swivel action between a track channel and a pipe backbone. Secondly, I can't imagine why anyobe would insert extraneous hardware between a track clamp and a pipe clamp. Help thou my unbelief, please. For lack of anything more difficult, how about bolting the "square hanging clamp" directly to a pipe clamp (such as ADC #2815) secured to the backbone pipe and throw the rest of the stuff into a box to be sorted by eager but inexperienced freshmen? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:08:19 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

I also recommend Multiline II. It is a proven product for this purpose and it is reasonably priced. I have purchased Multiline II in 1200 foot spools (it may come in even larger spools but 1200 feet of ropes gets pretty heavy. I do have to respectfullly disagree with my friend Steve Rees about Stage Set X and EZ-Trim (12 strand, single braided rope) for purchase line. I have seen a lot of Stage Set X crushed by rope locks, so that it has flat places. The rope locks then don't grab well in onto these sections of the rope. It is expensive and it milks. EZ-Trim does not milk and it easy to spike, but it does not have a core to help it keep its shape and it is also a lot slicker than Multiline II. Frank, go with Mulitline II, you will be happy with it. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <385259AD-B2B8-44DD-A5CC-879012C61746 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:16:38 -0500 On 22 Jan 2007, at 12:00, Michael Heinicke wrote: > The only problem we have encountered with the > white is that light colored spike tape is hard to see > while pulling ropes under show blues You still use spike tape on your ropes? I used to do that until this list (Uncle Bill & Rigger if I recall correctly) taught me the error of my ways. Now it's only ribbon spikes for me. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45B4F204.80300 [at] ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:19:00 -0800 From: Michael Millar Subject: Job Posting Here's a posting for the company I've been working fulltime with for the last 6 years. They've treated me very well, decent benefits, 401k, and the work is interesting and varied. Lots of travel (=lots of frequent flier miles). They may be looking for a specialist to be based in Florida, but they do need someone in the Philly area, and the training is in Philly. I'm based out of San Diego and we have someone in Portland, OR. Cheers, Michael Millar ----------------------------- Audience Response System Specialist The Job: Immediate openings are available for Audience Response System Specialists with Meridia Audience Response. The primary job responsibility is the setup, operation and strike of computer/wireless keypad polling system at corporate events around the country. System Specialists are assigned to events that clients have contracted Meridia for. For any given project the Specialist must: -Plan air and ground travel and lodging. -Contact the client and review specific expectations for their event. -Set up Meridia software and hardware in accordance with the expectations of the client. -Maintain direct and professional contact with the client while onsite with an eye toward fulfilling or exceeding their expectations. -Operate the audience response system in the live meeting environment. -Manage the equipment inventory while on site including arranging the return shipment. The position is full time with benefits and requires extensive travel. The business varies during different times of the year and individuals may be traveling anywhere from 8 to 18 days a month. Must be at least 25 years of age with a valid driver's license. Good credit is necessary for issuance of a corporate credit card. Some lifting is required. The Experience: A minimum of 2 years of theater tech or corporate event experience preferred. Computer experience and proficiency required. Knowledge of MS Office programs (PowerPoint, Excel and Word) is extremely beneficial. An understanding of Windows Explorer and file organization in the Windows environment is critical. The Skills: Candidates must be able to interact effectively with professional clients. Individuals that excel at this position are self-motivated problem solvers with excellent technical, communications and customer skills. One must be organized and thoughtful enough to plan for a project, but remain flexible enough to adapt to a dynamic meeting environment once on site with the client. The Company: Meridia Audience Response, located in Plymouth Meeting, PA provides interactive audience response system services, using wireless keypads for audience participation. For more information visit: http://www.meridiaars.com Send resume to: MERIDIA Specialist 5207 Militia Hill Rd. Plymouth Meeting, PA 19462 eMail: JCropp [at] meridiaars.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <802d6cf90701220937g2caedb66k6a5de1248577f654 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:37:49 -0500 From: "Gerald George" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: Eye Nuts In-Reply-To: References:

Frank, thine unbelief is not unreasonable... I must needs be more specific. This is an existing set-up and, rather than re-engineering the wheel, I was going by the "here are the pieces, now make them work...wait, this doesn't make sense...alarums, exaunt omnes" method of assembly. Hence my email. I noted, as did you, that there was no need for any sort of a swivel. While the setup didn't look dangerous, it would have been unnecessarily cumbersome to hang. Further, I wasn't sure and the unit *was* going up into the air. Better, in my book, to be sure. Anyway, it turns out that there are different pieces that work better. And even drawings if one has but the wit to look for them. The unit is designed to be rigged to independant carriers that ride in the same tracks as the existing 1 1/2" pipes rather than attached to said pipes. Makes much more sense now. Thanks for your response! J > > First, I can't imagine why one would need any kind of swivel action > between a track channel and a pipe backbone. > > Secondly, I can't imagine why anyobe would insert extraneous hardware > between a track clamp and a pipe clamp. > > Help thou my unbelief, please. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:40:39 -0600 From: Thomas Grabowski Subject: Re: Audience Seating Message-id: If you need chairs that lock together, look at sources for church seating. The chairs we bought (over 300) were not that expensive. I do not remember the specific vendor but Google found these sources. www.chairtex.com, www.churchseat.com The chairs lock together easily yet can be separated and stack when needed. They are also comfortable. --=20 Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45B4B2BC020000290000479B [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:49:00 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line References: In-Reply-To: Yes I remember that frog and show but being very young then the details = are really fuzzy. >rigging sets, and want me to plunk the Magic Twanger (who is old >enough to remember Froggy the Gremlin?) and solve their problems. Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:02:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070122180221.ZXXB219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Frank E. Merrill" > Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 04:39:29 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a customer that is tired of digging splinters out of their > hands because of the 3/4" Manila ropes used on their counterweight > rigging sets, and want me to plunk the Magic Twanger (who is old > enough to remember Froggy the Gremlin?) and solve their problems. Query. How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I've been handling ropes for 60 years, and had no trouble. I started early, my father being a Scoutmaster. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:04:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Multiline II. $.65 ft for white. $.84 ft for black. Comes in 600' & 1200' reels. Custom lengths are available at a increased price. Discounts are available but only for large (5000'+) quantities. Stage set X works well when the rope lock is adjusted properly. But yes, it crushes when the lock is over-tightened. And now to clear the air on E-Z Trim. I developed this rope with a certain manufacturer and brought it into the entertainment industry. The rope was an offshoot of another rope they made that had great qualities and a high working load limit but was very expensive. To make the rope a little less expensive we worked on the braiding style a bit. We used a little less fibre and that brought the working load limit down, but it was still twice as strong as any other rope used in this industry. And the price came down to something a little more bearable. That was over 15 years ago. Fast forward to the present. The rope does not behave as well in a rope lock as it did in the past. I was asked by a customer to remove the rope after about 6 months because it was no longer holding it's shape. I complied. I also asked the rope manufacturer for some data on why the rope was behaving this way after all these years. The information I received was 'inconclusive'. So, I am left with speculation on why the rope is not acting the way it should in a rope lock. My guess is that the braiding style has been changed slightly and the rope is much more sensitive to compression. When a rope lock is adjusted properly, that is...to 45 pounds, the rope does fine. But should the lock be adjusted to something a little tighter, say, 75 pounds, the rope begins to lose it's shape. My feeling is that the rope should be able to withstand minor changes in compression as there is no really accurate way to adjust a rope lock. Those of you that have taken my class can attest to this. So, not having any further information and not wishing to have to pay for another rope replacement, we have pulled it from our catalog. It is, to say the very least, disappointing. I worked very hard on E-Z Trim and ShowBraid and CurtainBraid (I named all three of these ropes BTW), but, as Kurt Vonnegut says...So it goes. Multiline II in it's original form or the newer version that J. R. Clancy is promoting would be my choice. Stage Set X would also be a good choice. (It's also the ONLY other choice) Zat help? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/22/07 12:08 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I also recommend Multiline II. It is a proven product for this > purpose and it is reasonably priced. I have purchased Multiline II in > 1200 foot spools (it may come in even larger spools but 1200 feet of > ropes gets pretty heavy. > > I do have to respectfullly disagree with my friend Steve Rees about > Stage Set X and EZ-Trim (12 strand, single braided rope) for purchase > line. I have seen a lot of Stage Set X crushed by rope locks, so that > it has flat places. The rope locks then don't grab well in onto these > sections of the rope. It is expensive and it milks. EZ-Trim does not > milk and it easy to spike, but it does not have a core to help it > keep its shape and it is also a lot slicker than Multiline II. > > Frank, go with Mulitline II, you will be happy with it. > > -Delbert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:06:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ya see Dave? I told ya! They really do listen. <> Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/22/07 12:16 PM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > You still use spike tape on your ropes? I used to do that until this > list (Uncle Bill & Rigger if I recall correctly) taught me the error > of my ways. Now it's only ribbon spikes for me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Cafe Press In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <131694.88678.qm [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com> While you are all getting your tee shirts you can also pick up on of my bumper stickers. It is my own little way of combating global warming by attempting to maintain momentum, thus decreasing our dependence on oil... :-) The sticker reads: Passing lane Yapping on the phone lane with corresponding arrows of course. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:19:46 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1143105675.20070122131946 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Monday, January 22, 2007, The OTHER Frank wrote: > How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I get splinters from Manila through the process of grabbing it with my hands.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill Twice Scoutmaster, Troop 196, Northeast District, Crossroads of America Council Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:34 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1874305909.20070122132434 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Monday, January 22, 2007, Les Lind wrote: > Yes I remember that frog and show but being very young then the > details are really fuzzy. "Froggy the Gremlin" was a radio show in the late '40s and might have extended into the early '50s but I truly don't remember. The running gag was the Human Guy, whose name escapes me at the moment, would say "Plunk your Magic Twanger, Froggy" and there would be a reverberating sound produced by a Jaw Harp, and then in his gravelly voice, Froggy would say "Hiya, kids! Hiya, hiya, hiya!" There's probably a website with Froggy the Gremlin episodes to download. Say goodnight, Gracie.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <016801c73e52$deff9280$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:26:43 -0800 > Query. How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I've > been handling ropes for 60 years, and had no trouble. I started early, my > father being a Scoutmaster. > > > Frank Wood > *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* Did someone leave the lid off the chumbucket? ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Audience Seating Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:27:07 +0000 Message-Id: <20070122182707.RRE219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Greg Williams > Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 04:45:54 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Audience Seating > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:08 PM, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > > > I think your AHJ is in error. > > Let's see... Jon Ares, who is still AFAIK in Portland, Oregon, refers > to his local AHJ, who is presumably interpreting code regarding a > local-to-Portland-theatre, and Frank sees an error in that > allllllllll the way from England. > > Amazing. I don't think, or perhaps just hope, that the principles of safe usage of a theatre, and common sense, change when you cross the Atlantic. Just the regulations. I, too, have had to deal with stupid, arrogant, and ill-informed inspectors, who know nothing about theatre, and care less. They act like Traffic Wardens, or whatever you call them. Finding infringments of codes is their job, and their efficiency is judged by how many they find. To touring shows, this presents problems. Each state, if not each county, may well have a different code. What is forbidden in one may be mandatory in another. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:32:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Now there's a phrase I've not heard in long time. What a great time. Goodnight Gracie. On 1/22/07 1:24 PM, "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > Say goodnight, Gracie.... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:46:02 +0000 Message-Id: <20070122184603.IEQZ17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Frank E. Merrill" > Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 06:19:46 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re[2]: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Monday, January 22, 2007, The OTHER Frank wrote: > > > How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. > > I get splinters from Manila through the process of grabbing it with my > hands.... OK. My experience and yours run against each other. And if your client has a problem, you should deal with it. But how to get splinters from ropes is still hidden from me. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:01:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070122190121.ZUUF29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Don Taco" > Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 06:26:43 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Query. How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I've > > been handling ropes for 60 years, and had no trouble. I started early, my > > father being a Scoutmaster. > > > > > > Frank Wood > > > > *sniff* *sniff* > > *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* > > Did someone leave the lid off the chumbucket? This message could be construed as offensive. I think it likely that it was intended to be so, although how and why are not clear. Nor is its exact import. Let me be plain. Direct personal abuse I shall answer, in good round terms. Snide and slimy abuse, such as this, is beneath contempt. With small hope,I wait for an apology, but with little hope of receiving one > > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: RE: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:11:36 -0800 As for what type, there are many options as we've seen. To add one more, check out Samson Promaster, which can be orderded in black. As for length: Full coils are 1200' (that's 200 fathoms, me hearties) Half coils are 600' Reels (in cordage industry parlance) can hold many many thousands of feet Coils and half-coils of synthetics are shipped on plastic spools these days, but the phrase "spool of rope" isn't welcome at my local chandlery. Cheers tom >From: "Frank E. Merrill" > > >I'd like a recommendation for 750 feet of a splinter-free 3/4" >diameter rope, please. Who has it, How much is on a standard reel, >and how much is it, please? > _________________________________________________________________ Don�t waste time standing in line�try shopping online. Visit Sympatico / MSN Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:43:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Tom's right. There are a number of manufacturers that make a 3-strand twisted rope. Multiline II is a brand name made by New England Ropes. Promaster, made by Samson, is a very similar rope. Samson is, I believe, o= n the West Coast. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/22/07 2:11 PM, "Tom Heemskerk" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > As for what type, there are many options as we've seen. To add one more, > check out Samson Promaster, which can be orderded in black. >=20 > As for length: >=20 > Full coils are 1200' (that's 200 fathoms, me hearties) > Half coils are 600' > Reels (in cordage industry parlance) can hold many many thousands of feet >=20 > Coils and half-coils of synthetics are shipped on plastic spools these da= ys, > but the phrase "spool of rope" isn't welcome at my local chandlery. >=20 > Cheers > tom >=20 >=20 >> From: "Frank E. Merrill" >>=20 >>=20 >> I'd like a recommendation for 750 feet of a splinter-free 3/4" >> diameter rope, please. Who has it, How much is on a standard reel, >> and how much is it, please? >>=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Don=E2=80=9At waste time standing in line=CB=9Ctry shopping online. Visit Sympatico= / MSN > Shopping today! http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca >=20 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A073B6E6D [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Ya see Dave? I told ya! They really do listen. >=20 > <> > > You still use spike tape on your ropes? I used to do that=20 > until this=20 > > list (Uncle Bill & Rigger if I recall correctly) taught me=20 > the error=20 > > of my ways. Now it's only ribbon spikes for me. I'm trying to recall what was recommended for braided purchase lines with an inner core that one didn't want to stab while trying to put a ribbon spike in...? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701221148v4d7e6335v962835b8cfc5219d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:48:02 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: Stagecraft Wiki In-Reply-To: References:

"A large well established list with a colorful and knowledgable band of characters." Hey! You talkin' about us? On 1/21/07, William Knapp wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey All, > > It's been a while. Been working on a Stagecraft Wiki. Not complete by any > means, but would appreciate any input. > > http://www.stagecraft.com > > thx, > > Will > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:01:12 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

The Samson web site (http://www.samsonrope.com) has great instructions on splicing different types of rope, if you don't already have it. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/22/07 2:46 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > I'm trying to recall what was recommended for braided purchase lines > with an inner core that one didn't want to stab while trying to put a > ribbon spike in...? Stage Set X. Parallel core rope. Fibres in the core laid next to each other. A stab through them damages them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:11:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/22/07 3:03 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 1/22/07 2:46 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > >> I'm trying to recall what was recommended for braided purchase lines >> with an inner core that one didn't want to stab while trying to put a >> ribbon spike in...? > > Stage Set X. Parallel core rope. Fibres in the core laid next to each > other. A stab through them damages them. > Hmmm. Not a helpful answer. Went too fast. Not thinking. You can't stab the braided ropes for a host of reasons. The tape method works but you hafta be careful as the core will slid over the shell of the rope. There. That's a bit better Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:56:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mike, In our particular space, we have a limited amount wing space - less than 12' from pros opening to lockrail. Masking is very difficult and even though we got most of it pretty well most of the time, there are occasions when the extreme seats have a view of the rails and operating lines. The black -now dark grey - lines just are less annoying to look at as they don't call attention to themselves. As to cost, university maintenance paid for the material as part of PM program for univ. equipment. We did the install ourselves. The lines have been in use for about 11 -12 years now. Steve Rees On 1/22/07 12:00 PM, "Michael Heinicke" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > --- Stephen Rees wrote: >> Go for black color. > > Steve, > I'm just curious why you prefer black over the white. > > Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <582947.3303.qm [at] web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Bruce Purdy wrote: > You still use spike tape on your ropes? I used to > do that until this > list (Uncle Bill & Rigger if I recall correctly) > taught me the error > of my ways. Now it's only ribbon spikes for me. We actually use a combination. Most of our events are only in the space for a day or two, so we use spike tape for show spikes because it is quicker and easier to apply and move than ribbons. I've lost track of the number of times that a show has asked me to move a single spike by a matter of inches, which is a lot easier with the tape. For house trims and other long term spikes we use ribbons. Like you, I instituted the change to ribbons after that discussion on the list. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:07:53 -0800 Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <45B4B729.18538.A4CAB9C [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: , We find that most of this can be eliminated by putting some tension on the rope and milking the sheath before installing it. > The tape method works but you hafta be careful as the core will slid > over the shell of the rope. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Theatre and PAC Architects Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01b301c73e69$c22855e0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-reply-to: I agree with Richard. I can name ten theaters that I inspected, and went to the donors, up to $100 million types, and believe me, they did not want to hear a word .... perhaps it was the purple outfit. Nevertheless, or never the more, abrupt shut down, and out the door. Whew. Saved again. And now those theaters, CONTINUE to have problems we itemized. And two of them were, what do they say: Billionaires ... always putting on airs ...something like that. Go Richard, just my two cents in this day and age, and continuing. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:52 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Theatre and PAC Architects For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- RE Credibility of Theatre Consultant Dear Bill, I have found it to be amazingly effective to track down the person who gave a whole lot of money to get the theatre named after himself or herself, and let that person express their displeasure to the PTBs that the theatre will acquire a bad reputation, and therefore they will get a bad reputation, unless the suboptimal issues are corrected. The donor can even hint that the hefty donation that the theatre was expecting next year to acquire omitted items won't be there if they fail to appease to the Theatre Consultant re: equipment, this year. I have found that most heavy-hitter donors DO want to be tipped off if there is a possibility of future embarrassment, of if the venue bearing their name has a shortened service life, and therefore the glory of having a venue named after them will not last as long as they have anticipated and their grandchildren will not be able to enjoy their surname on a building due to functional obsolescence. /s/ Richard ________________________________ > There are instances where I've made a case for this or that (seems like access, circulation, and stage heigth are common issues) and the Owner acknowledges the issue and chooses the non-recommended option. It's there right and responsibility. Interestingly, usually the architect is my ally in these cases. So maybe the issue is how does a user grow creditbility so that they are included in these discussions? > Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T , ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:20:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I was a Deal's Gap a couple of years ago and saw a sharp looking MV there. The guy lived about 200 miles away and TRAILERED the thing to the Gap to ride. He said 200 miles was too far to ride the thing. I rode "the Dragon" on my 30 year old BMW and I bet I had just as much fun as he did. Then I continued home to complete my 4000 mile road trip. Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 1/21/07 12:48 AM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 20 Jan 2007, at 23:16, Paul Schreiner wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/07_F4_CC.html >> >> Granted, it's a little pricey, but... > > Other end of the spectrum: take a look at this one: > http://tinyurl.com/hl59e > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070122143455.00c8abd0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:34:55 From: CB Subject: Re: Hey >And after 5 shots it doesn't matter because they can't finish what they >start. Hmmm. Tequila doesnt have the same effect on everyone. I'll finidh anyhting I start, after five shots, there are usually just a whole lotta folk wishing I'd never started anything afterwards. I don't drink tequila anymore... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:00:19 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line At 1:06 PM -0500 1/22/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: >On 1/22/07 12:16 PM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > >> You still use spike tape on your ropes? I used to do that until this >> list (Uncle Bill & Rigger if I recall correctly) taught me the error >> of my ways. Now it's only ribbon spikes for me. > > Ya see Dave? I told ya! They really do listen. Well, whaddyaknow.... (Gotta run; got some formal stuff to do at Lodge tonight, so I have to go make myself presentable [an 8-hr exercize in frustration]. I'll weigh in on things of a fibrous and/or braided nature when I get home tonight. Better put your Maalox on stand-by, Bill.) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I'm happier than a tattoo on a super-model. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:02:59 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line At 1:01 PM -0800 1/22/07, Michael Heinicke wrote: >We actually use a combination. Most of our events are >only in the space for a day or two, so we use spike >tape for show spikes because it is quicker and easier >to apply and move than ribbons. I've lost track of the >number of times that a show has asked me to move a >single spike by a matter of inches, which is a lot >easier with the tape. Oh, I beg to disagree most enthusiastically. More later. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070122144146.00c8abd0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:41:46 From: CB Subject: Re: Real bullet! >That is putting it a bit strong. Manslaughter seems about right They don't remove you from the gene pool for mansaughter. And this was pre-meditated, with malice aforethought. There was obviously a conspiracey, too. This is far too screwed up to be chalked up as simple stupidity, and til someone proves that you can get a job and still be that stupid without some underlying foul play, I'm sticking with the charge of murder. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070122144423.00c8abd0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:44:23 From: CB Subject: RE: Real bullet! >Both would be a bit strong as no one died. The injured was left >paralyzed but is still alive. In this particular case, yes, it would have to be 'Attempted Murder in the First Degree', but I was making a generalization. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070122145521.00c8abd0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:55:21 From: CB Subject: Frankly speaking >But CB and Dave, >c'mon, play nice! Uhm, that was nice.... You wouln't want to see me angry, and I'm a nicer guy than Dave when provoked. If you're gonna poke Dave till you tick him off, be armed. Well armed. And bring friends (minimum six). Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: realistic dock planking (Update) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:23:25 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70B49AF53 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" The reason why, he said, is that even my macho new cabinet saw can not = handle running 4x8 sheets 3" thick. I had do resort to borrowing a beam = saw with a ridiculous 18" diameter blade to slice these puppies up. = That said, it still only took about an hour to accomplish. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ____________________________ Call me a squint, but why would you build 100 of these when you could build 13 [at] 4' x 8' and slice them to the proper width? =20 Paul =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Real bullet! Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:04:23 +0000 Message-Id: <20070122230423.ISCZ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 02:41:46 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Real bullet! > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >That is putting it a bit strong. Manslaughter seems about right > > They don't remove you from the gene pool for mansaughter. And this was > pre-meditated, with malice aforethought. There was obviously a > conspiracey, too. This is far too screwed up to be chalked up as simple > stupidity, and til someone proves that you can get a job and still be that > stupid without some underlying foul play, I'm sticking with the charge of > murder. You're way over the top, here. 'pre-meditated' and 'malice aforethought'are not in the equation. You are a Heinlein reader, and I quote Lazarus Long to you "Nevwer underestimate the power of human stupidity". I think this covers this case. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:10:38 -0800 Subject: Re: USITT 2007 Sessions Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <45B4D3EE.31232.ABD0A36 [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: There has been an update to this list. Descriptions added, it looks like a handful of changes, but I have not done a redline version. > I took the sessions posted on line for the 2007 USITT conference and > made them into a spreadsheet, from which one could generally feed > them into a calender application if desired. > > http://lagerquist.com/usitt/ Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:12:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Real bullet! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <232797.93024.qm [at] web82215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had some email server problems over the weekend, so I missed the beginning of this thread. Would someone send me the post that started it? And yes, I looked in the archives. The digest archives aren't recent enough and the search function is apparently down at the moment. Thanks, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:22:32 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Jan 22, 2007, at 4:20 PM, Bill Potter wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I was a Deal's Gap a couple of years ago and saw a sharp looking MV > there. > The guy lived about 200 miles away and TRAILERED the thing to the > Gap to > ride. He said 200 miles was too far to ride the thing. I rode "the > Dragon" > on my 30 year old BMW and I bet I had just as much fun as he did. > > Then I continued home to complete my 4000 mile road trip. > > Bill Potter > Technical Director > St. Paul's School > Concord NH Bill, The next time you (or anyone else on the list who rides) are that close, give us a call. We love to serve as a stopover point and could most likely be "arm-twisted" into riding "The Dragon" or any of the other fine roads in the area. The only time I've ridden it was with Moe & Christine Conn, with Alice riding 2-up with me. It was a blast, even on the Electra Glide. On a related note, we're (LRLR) riding New England this year. Why don't you and your friends join us for a day or the whole trip? In fact, it's about time we started a mass arm-twisting to get some more riders for the summer. Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, and a little bit of Ottowa thrown in for good measure. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1333.205.215.253.25.1169508990.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:36:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR From: "Bill Nelson" Just buy a new Harley - and donate the rest of that $120,000 to the LRLR charity. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:42:39 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Real bullet! References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Michael Heinicke writes >I had some email server problems over the weekend, so I missed the >beginning of this thread. Would someone send me the post that started >it? And yes, I looked in the archives. The digest archives aren't >recent enough and the search function is apparently down at the moment. Sure. http://tinyurl.com/34vbal -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45B553DD.7060400 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:16:29 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Real bullet! References: In-Reply-To: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> From: CB >>> That is putting it a bit strong. Manslaughter seems about right >> They don't remove you from the gene pool for mansaughter. And this >> was pre-meditated, with malice aforethought. There was obviously a >> conspiracey, too. This is far too screwed up to be chalked up as >> simple stupidity, and til someone proves that you can get a job and >> still be that stupid without some underlying foul play, I'm >> sticking with the charge of murder. > > You're way over the top, here. 'pre-meditated' and 'malice > aforethought'are not in the equation. You are a Heinlein reader, and > I quote Lazarus Long to you "Nevwer underestimate the power of human > stupidity". I think this covers this case. The more I think about this, the more I agree with CB. Something about this smells. I have loaded thousands of .22 cartridges into guns, and the bullet is obvious. Loading a revolver will require handling each cartridge as you load it. Supposedly these live rounds were just floating around the place, and NOBODY raised an alarm about the danger they presented? The guy must have fallen down after being struck, yet it wasn't 'til hours later that they realized that he was hit during the gunfight? The cops couldn't figure out who had jurisdiction? Nobody collected the guns for a week after the shooting. Ignore the safety issues that led to the shooting, the investigation has been a complete cock-up too. From beginning to end this is a total fiasco. Or a cover-up. Stuart ------------------------------ Subject: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:03:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A073B6FCE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Before I begin, let me get out of the way the fact that, yes, this is an issue with an audio version of Tinkertoys, and, yes, I get what I pay for. That being said, this particular bit of behavior is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen, so I figured I'd throw it out here and see what ideas turn up. In a very small and intimate secondary performance space we're trying some very localized sound cues (i.e., baby cries coming from a bassinet) with some RCA wireless speakers (WSP155, to be exact). When I purchased the original set right before the holidays, I took it home for testing, and they worked flawlessly. Had them plugged in and operational for about three weeks. That set worked one day here. On day two, the transmitter stopped functioning; the power LED indicator went dark. Fiddled with the plug, nothing. If you unplug the supply from the unit, the LED will flash when you pass a certain part of the adapter plug, but won't hold on no matter what. Soooo, I bought a replacement set this morning (since the transmitters don't come separately). It worked...for fifteen minutes. Then it exhibited the same behavior. Transmitter number three crapped out the moment I plugged it in. Now...all three units were plugged in at the same location in the building, and numbers two and three weren't tested beforehand (as we open Thursday, testing time is at a premium). *After* going dark, they won't work anywhere, but will still flash on as you try to plug them in. Note that this flashing only happens when the wall wart is already in the outlet when you plug the adapter cord into the unit; it won't do squat if you have the unit and cord connected and then try plugging it into the wall. Needless to say, I'm not an electronics whiz. Anyone wanna take a stab at it? Are the transmitters toast? Any ideas what's causing this? ------------------------------ From: Amanda Burke Message-ID: <1046ff01049d95.1049d951046ff0 [at] montclair.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:08:25 -0800 Subject: Introduction Hi, My name is Amanda Burke. I am a BFA major in stage management at Montclair State University. I transfered from a community college and this is my fist semester here at Montclair. I've been participating in drama since my Freshamn year of highschool. I feel in love with it intstantly. Over this past fall I was an interned at a small theater, Dante Hall, in Atlantic City. It was a great experience. It is very interesting to read other peoples thpughts on what going on in the theater world today. Amanda Burke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1621.205.215.253.25.1169514576.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:09:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Useful web site resource From: "Bill Nelson" > Couple of different times the topic of warning signs have come up. A > coworker told me about this website which allows you to generate various > warning signs with your web browser and local printer. > > http://www.warninglabelgenerator.com/ It is of limited usefulness. The software needs to be modified so that the text fills the box. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1629.205.215.253.25.1169515235.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:20:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: From: "Bill Nelson" > Anyone wanna take a stab at it? Are the transmitters toast? Any ideas > what's causing this? Have you checked the AC voltages at the outlet in the venue and at home? There may be a soldering defect either on one of the power connectors or on the wires that go to the board. Or, it may just be a lousy transmitter design. The jack may also be defective. How handy are you with a voltmeter and a soldering iron? You should be able to check the wall warts for the proper voltage. It may be either AC or DC, but should be labeled on the wart. If you are handy with a soldering iron, you could try removing the plug and jack, then soldering directly to the circuit board. If you do so, you will have to be careful to get the polarity correct. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:18:47 +0000 Like Greg Said...We are close enough to make it a day trip. I have done it on a Sportster and a Wide Glide. What a blast! Just give us a head up, and were off to the Twisties. Moe Join us for the Long Reach Long Riders 2007 Charity Ride. For Donation and/or Rider information, Check out: www.LRLR.org >From: Bill Potter >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Now *here's* the bike for the next LRLR >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:20:17 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I was a Deal's Gap a couple of years ago and saw a sharp looking MV there. >The guy lived about 200 miles away and TRAILERED the thing to the Gap to >ride. He said 200 miles was too far to ride the thing. I rode "the Dragon" >on my 30 year old BMW and I bet I had just as much fun as he did. > >Then I continued home to complete my 4000 mile road trip. > >Bill Potter >Technical Director >St. Paul's School >Concord NH > > >On 1/21/07 12:48 AM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On 20 Jan 2007, at 23:16, Paul Schreiner wrote: > > > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> stagecraft.theprices.net/> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/07_F4_CC.html > >> > >> Granted, it's a little pricey, but... > > > > Other end of the spectrum: take a look at this one: > > http://tinyurl.com/hl59e > > > > Bruce > > ____________________ > > Bruce Purdy > > Technical Director > > Smith Opera House > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006001c73e95$813100b0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:23:41 -0500 Hmm... Splinter abate-ment Rob't > > > > > Query. How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I've > > > been handling ropes for 60 years, and had no trouble. I started early, my > > > father being a Scoutmaster. > > > > > > Frank Wood > > > > *sniff* *sniff* > > *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* > > Did someone leave the lid off the chumbucket? > > This message could be construed as offensive. I think it likely that it was intended to be so, although how and why are not clear. Nor is its exact import. > > Let me be plain. Direct personal abuse I shall answer, in good round terms. Snide and slimy abuse, such as this, is beneath contempt. With small hope,I wait for an apology, but with little hope of receiving one > > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:23:28 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Frankly speaking At 2:55 PM -0500 1/22/07, CB wrote: >Uhm, that was nice.... You wouln't want to see me angry, and I'm a nicer >guy than Dave when provoked. If you're gonna poke Dave till you tick him >off, be armed. Well armed. And bring friends (minimum six). Who, me? Why, I'm just a shy and demure li'l wildflower. (errrr, is nightshade considered a wildflower?) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell" --Dio, "Magica" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Frankly speaking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <413170.95108.qm [at] web82213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Rigger wrote: > (errrr, is nightshade considered a wildflower?) Well, it is a flowering plant that grows wild so I would guess yes. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:53:27 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References: > > > Query. How do you get splinters from ropes? That's a real question. I've > > > been handling ropes for 60 years, and had no trouble. I started early, my > > > father being a Scoutmaster. > > > > > > > *sniff* *sniff* > > > > *sniff* *sniff* *sniff* > > > > Did someone leave the lid off the chumbucket? > > This message could be construed as offensive. I think it likely that it was intended to be so, although how and why are not clear. Nor is its exact import. > > Let me be plain. Direct personal abuse I shall answer, in good round terms. Snide and slimy abuse, such as this, is beneath contempt. With small hope,I wait for an apology, but with little hope of receiving one I don't think it was meant as overtly offensive... I think the reference was to trolling. It's very easy to get splinters (which, btw, rank worse than lauan splinters, imo) from manila rope. If you really need a demo, Frank, I'd be happy to send you a sample from the spool I've got in my shop. I inherited it. I wouldn't actually buy the stuff any more. So you can have as much as I can spare and pay to ship... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:02:18 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Frankly speaking In-Reply-To: References:

> Who, me? Why, I'm just a shy and demure li'l wildflower. > > (errrr, is nightshade considered a wildflower?) I'dve figured Venus flytrap. But that's just me. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:11:05 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Okay.... Home again and into my comfy clothes. Where were we? To answer the question at hand, Multiline II from New England Ropes is the tool of choice if you don't want to use manila hemp. And you can take my recommendation to the bank because I prefer manila hemp above all else and abhore synthetic rope on a flyrail. (here's where Unka Bill rolls his eyes.) The reason your client is getting hemp slivers is twofold. One: the rope is telling your client that it's time for new rope. Worn hemp throws more splinters then new hemp by an order of magnitude. Two: Due to the increasing levels of pollution in the developing regions of the world where true manila hemp grows over the past twenty-odd years, the hemp plants are becoming weaker. Weak plants generate shorter, weaker plant fibers, and short, weak plant fibers break up and splinter easier than the strong, long-fibered plants of old. What passes for Green Line hemp nowadays would've been thrown out as garbage when I broke in on the flyrail, twenty-mumble years ago. So why do I like hemp? Because I broke in in a hemphouse and worked in hemp almost all my career. The Great Hall of the Wharton Center at MSU has a 65-lineset, single-purchase flyrail with 84' battens and nine liftlines per set. Without compensators. There's about 70lbs. of cable transfer from low trim to high trim. It's a big ol' exercise machine, yes. And for some reason it tears the livin' excretia out of any operating line except hemp, don't ask me why. We tried Multiline, we tried StageSet X; you name it, that rail has gobbled it up like string cheese. All except hemp. We'd re-rope about a quarter of the rail every other year, so a given handline would have an 8-yr lifespan (barring injury). More often that not, the hemp would look and smell in perfectly good shape - yes, you can smell bad hemp; natural fibers stink when they rot. Would it throw splinters? Sure, but not often. Why don't I like synthetics? Because I'd much rather pull the occasional splinter out of my hand than wait for a rugburn to heal. To my hands, man-made fibers are slippery, and I've long grown accustom to judging the feel of the rope on the rail to indicate load or motion. It's just my personal technique, is all; I never wear gloves and I never use tape spikes, and I LOVE a good hemp operating line. EZ-Trim? Sorry, Bill, but the hank you sent me years ago didn't even last half of one season on the Wharton Center's flyrail before deforming and slipping in the locks. Last I saw of it, it was relegated to a pick line on an electric drop box, and it wasn't all that friendly in that application. I love ya like a brother (well, maybe not like *your* brother), but that wasn't one of the greatest products I've ever seen come out of your stable of toys. Michael Heinicke commented on speed and ease of tape spikes over ribbons. Let me put it this way: I have a spike ground from an old flat-blade screwdriver and a a pair of rope-clamps I welded up from a pair of ViseGrips with pieces of 1" black pipe in the jaws (photos by request). I also carry a little Rubbermaid tub full of 6" long bits of 1" grosgrain ribbon in a shocking assortment of colors for various trims. And I bet I can spike a trim as fast or faster with a ribbon as anyone can with tape, and drift that trim an inch or two in either direction on either direction twice as fast. (of course, a decade or two of practice helps...) You grab the rope with the clamps, twist them in opposition to unlay the rope strands, stick the spike through-and-through between the strands, lace a ribbon through the hole in the end of the spike and pull it back through the rope, holding one end of the ribbon to pull it back out of the spike as the spike backs out of the rope. Release the clamps, and Bob's yer uncle. To adjust a trim mark a couple of inches, just grab the rope with the clamps, twist it a half-turn to release some tension between the strands, and shove the ribbon wherever you need it. Or a lot of the time you can just pull up or down on both ends of the ribbon and it'll slip between the strands of its own accord, without unlaying the rope. Quick, versatile, clean. I'll *never* get tape goo all over my handlines; you all know what that feels like, right? Right; I've bored you enough. Off the soapbox now. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Vikings? There ain't no Vikings here; just us honest farmers... The town was burning & the villagers were dead when we got here. They didn't need those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c73eaa$62a5e470$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:53:11 -0800 > Let me put it this way: I have a spike ground from an old flat-blade > screwdriver and a a pair of rope-clamps I welded up from a pair of > ViseGrips with pieces of 1" black pipe in the jaws (photos by request). "Oooh! Oooh! Oooh!" (Arm straining from raising and waving my hand) I'd love to see your gizmos. Until my brood starts lifting heavier silver spoons to their mouths, I'm stuck with weak students. Anything to help spike our new lines would be most welcome... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Subject: Palm Treo and Bluetooth Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:15:24 -0800 All you Palm Treo experts out there which OS is better the Palm OS on the 700 or Windows Mobile OS? And for you Bluetooth users out there which one of the many Bluetooths, do you like the best? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:26:29 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Venezuelan lamp I appeal to the knowledge of the list. I have received a practical lamp to be used in our next production. It was last used in Venezuela. It has in it a 150w/220v double ended T3 lamp. The question is - when I replace it with a 120v lamp for use in the USA, will I get the same lumens with a 150w lamp or a 75w lamp. I know that a 75w lamp will convert to pulling the same amperage as the original, but my electrician has suggested that the differences in filament design will probably compensate for that and require that I stay with the 150w lamp to get the same lumens as the original. What do you think? Any other issues you can think of with running this lamp on US power? -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:27:25 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Keystone formula Here's another question. I need to compute the amount of keystone correction needed to correct an image projected from a specific angle to the left of the screen. Does anybody know the formula for this calculation? I can't seem to find it anywhere. -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:54:19 -0500 Subject: Drinks night From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: What?? No one posted a summary? Damn...now I have to do it... Forgive any Shlurred Werds.. For the record I left a bit Early at 12:30am leaving Joe saint and his gang along with Keith Arsenault. Yeah I coulda done it but it would have been ugly... Other attendees: Herrick Susan Nicholson Ken & Lisa Romaine (lisa is the prettier one) Steven Ehrenberg (yes finney we gave him shit) Andy Leviss Tony from City Theatrical and his friend who's name if I spelled it would be butchered......and yes Andrew you suck for not coming! Unkie Bill whom I hope is safely at home by now. Ms. Rosa Theadora Cooper Mr. Steve Shelley & Wife Judy with the world's smallest template and business card. (yes she's prettier too!) Surprise Guest Christina Gianelli (who isn't on the list but is ESTA) Stephen Allain Joe Saint Brian Aldous Travis Keith Arsenault Mike Finney Via Webcam "stand near the bar and wave!" Klyph...via text..."sorry can't make it"... All in all we had about 18 drunkards. For the record; Shelley if Barco had known that they could rent your Pate for advertising space...they would have paid for the beer.....Next TIME!!! -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:59:20 EST Subject: Re: Drinks night You sure know how to make us jealous! Glad a good time was had by all. Kristi ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1102 ******************************