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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1105

 1. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 3. Re: Keystone formula
    by <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
 4. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
 5. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
 6. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
 7. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 8. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
 9. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
10. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
11. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operating line
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
12. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
13. Re: Keystone formula
    by "Jon Lagerquist" <jon [at] lagerquist.com>
14. Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
15. Re: Portable Stages and Building Code
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
16. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
17. Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
    by Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
18. Re: Wireless speakers
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
19. An era passes (anybody hear "taps" playing?) (fwd)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
20. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
21. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
22. Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
23. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
24. Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
    by Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
25. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
26. wanted: fake cigars that look real
    by tech1 <tech1 [at] gac.edu>
27. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
28. Re: wanted: fake cigars that look real
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
29. Re: Vectorworks Question
    by "Patrick Immel" <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
30. Re: Vectorworks Question
    by Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
31. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
32. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
33. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
34. New Member
    by Valerie Saggau <saggauv1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
35. Re: ETC Remote Focus 2
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
36. Re: Palm Treo and Bluetooth
    by "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>
37. Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
38. Introduction
    by "Juliana A. Szutarski" <szutarskij1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
39. ETC Eos
    by "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
40. Re: ETC Remote Focus 2
    by "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
41. Today's completely OT PSA
    by "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
42. Re: Today's completely OT PSA
    by "Tim Catlett" <catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com>
43. Re: ETC Eos
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
44. Re: ETC Eos
    by Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
45. Re: Today's completely OT PSA
    by "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
46. Re: ETC Eos
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
47. And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
    by "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
48. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
    by "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
49. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
    by "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
50. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
51. Re: ETC Eos
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
52. Re: Today's completely OT PSA
    by Shawn Palmer <shawn.palmer [at] sbcglobal.net>
53. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
    by USITT UTA Webmaster <webmaster [at] usittuta.org>
54. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college  student
    by Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
55. Re: ETC Eos
    by "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
56. Re: ETC Eos
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
57. Re: ETC Eos
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
58. Re: Traveling to URTA
    by "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
59. Re: New Member
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
60. Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
    by Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
61. Full Monty Sign
    by Brad Pattison <phildqrak [at] mindspring.com>
62. Re: ETC Eos
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
63. Re: ETC Eos
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
64. Re: ETC Eos
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
65. Intros?
    by William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:51:00 -0500
Message-ID: <004b01c73f49$56026af0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
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> Don't be silly. There's no such thing as a Phillips fresnel.
> 
> (hey, somebody had to say it...)

You guys should pay me for the straight line.


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:51:54 -0500
Message-ID: <004c01c73f49$75ea99a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
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> Haver any of your students ever written a paper on flaming Frank Wood?

That's the extra credit assignment.


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From: <frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Keystone formula
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:52:51 +0000
Message-Id: <20070123235251.BYSC29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com>


> 
> From: "Laura McMeley" <lmcmeley [at] gmail.com>
> Date: 2007/01/23 Tue AM 05:27:25 GMT
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Keystone formula
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Here's another question. I need to compute the amount of keystone
> correction needed to correct an image projected from a specific angle
> to the left of the screen. Does anybody know the formula for this
> calculation? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
> 
Let me define some symbols. I is image size, and O is object size, v is the distance from the lens to the subject, and u is the distance from the lens to the  object. f is the focal length of the lens.

The two formulae you need are: I/o=v/u, amd 1/v+1/u=1/f.Careful thought an elementary algebra will solve your problems.


Frank Wood

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:48:36 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 4:36 PM -0500 1/23/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote:

>>Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to  me.
>
>That's kind of what I was thinking... teachers  are supposed to encourage
>students, not expose them to a bunch of curmudgeons,  sages and 
>characters like
>this list. Then again, perhaps it's best if they know  what they are getting
>into!


If they're going to spend their lives in the theatre, they're going 
to have to deal with people like us eventually anyway...

Might as well break 'em in early.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

      "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education,
       or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't
       help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal
       capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal,
       and execution is carried out automatically and without pity."

                                      --Robert Heinlein

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:56:14 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 6:40 PM -0500 1/23/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>>>  In the past I have worked in various aspects of theater  including
>>>  acting, construction, lighting, sound, stage  management and
>>>  directing.
>>
>>  What, no rigging?  Hmph!!
>
>  Give her a break, Dave; she wanted to start off with the easy stuff.


I dunno....

Well...

Hm...

Okay.... Abby does seem a bit too cheerful and outgoing; not nearly 
grouchy enough to be a rigger, now that I think on it.

But rigging's easy!  it must be, if riggers can do it. Just ask 
Chris; we're mentally deficient, remember?

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

      "Americans like to talk about (or be told about)
       Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find
       it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead
       for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy.
       We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a-
       government, let it push us around, and then wonder
       how all those assholes got in there."

                                --Frank Zappa

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:00:49 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line

At 8:53 PM -0800 1/22/07, Jon Ares wrote:
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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>   Let me put it this way: I have a spike ground from an old 
>flat-blade screwdriver and a a pair of rope-clamps I welded up from 
>a pair of ViseGrips with pieces of 1" black pipe in the jaws (photos 
>by request).

"Oooh! Oooh!  Oooh!"  (Arm straining from raising and waving my hand) 
I'd love to see your gizmos.


At 1:17 AM -0500 1/23/07, Bruce Purdy wrote:
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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On 22 Jan 2007, at 23:11, Rigger wrote:

>   I have a spike ground from an old flat-blade screwdriver and a a 
>pair of rope-clamps I welded up from a pair of ViseGrips with pieces 
>of 1" black pipe in the jaws (photos by request).

	I'd love to see them!


Okay, now I have to remember to take them (and the camera) in to work 
tomorrow. (actually the camera's already going in; we just finished 
pulling wire rope on the flyrail I'm installing in a new middle 
school here in town, and the Powers-That-Be will like progress 
photos).


<!!!!>

Hey Noah?  Any chance you might have room for a couple-three 
descriptive ribbon-spiking photos in the Archive Of All Knowledge 
Worth Knowing?
-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

   "Jumping is easy and falling is fun...
    Right up 'til you hit the sidewalk, shivering and stunned"

		--Ani DiFranco

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:01:45 -0500
Message-ID: <004d01c73f4a$d639f200$6501a8c0 [at] Dell>
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> But rigging's easy!  it must be, if riggers can do it. Just ask 
> Chris; we're mentally deficient, remember?\

You're "differently brain-celled".


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:02:53 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line

At 2:06 PM -0500 1/23/07, CB wrote:

>>I have a customer that is tired of digging splinters out of their
>>hands because of the 3/4" Manila ropes
>
><http://tinyurl.com/2xzple>???


Spoken like a true hum-head.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net
20/20 Design

          "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of
           sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and
           tasting it to see how much you should put in.
           Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against
           the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is
           uncovered.   If you need a different amount of sugar,
           you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a
           different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling
           fan blades."

                                    -- Unknown

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:04:21 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 6:51 PM -0500 1/23/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>>  Don't be silly. There's no such thing as a Phillips fresnel.
>>  (hey, somebody had to say it...)
>
>  You guys should pay me for the straight line.


I did; I attributed the quote.

-DV

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:06:04 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 7:01 PM -0500 1/23/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

>>  But rigging's easy!  it must be, if riggers can do it. Just ask
>>  Chris; we're mentally deficient, remember?\
>
>You're "differently brain-celled".


I've been told my brain was different before.

-DV

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:14:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operating line
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <C1DC0F27.188AD%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
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Urethane.

Bill S.
ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre
ETCP Council Member
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
267.278.4561 mobile




On 1/23/07 6:33 PM, "Maia Robbins-Zust" <Maia.Robbins-Zust [at] williams.edu>
wrote:

> BTY? - what is that black coating?



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:58:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!

>Phillips or slotted?

*sigh* ...Maalox or Orange juice...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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From: "Jon Lagerquist" <jon [at] lagerquist.com>
Cc: lmcmeley [at] gmail.com (Laura McMeley)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:26:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Keystone formula
Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com
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Laura,

The math gets a little tricky because it involves the throw as well 
as image size (which really means it involves the lens).  The 
drawing at (http://www.lagerquist.com/usitt/keystone-model.jpg) 
shows the graphic approach to laying out the keystone.

Basically you end up stretching (multiply distance from center by 
1/K) or shrinking (multiply distance from center by K) one side of 
the image by a factor K 

K = cos(half the lens angle)*cos(keystone angle) 

Where the keystone angle is the angle the screen relative to a 
perpendicular to the centerline of the lens.

Unless I have lots of different ones of these to do, I do it 
graphically. I tend to output a guide image from AutoCAD and suck it 
into the graphics program as a layer.

Sometimes projecting a numbered grid on the screen and then taking a 
few photos as guides is helpful. 

When photographing art that I know will be keystoned I often simply 
shoot it at the angle it will be projected at. Different lens lengths 

will have a small effect, but one one that has ever been a problem 
for me. This also works when projecting onto curves.

Remember that the art that is closer to the projector will need to be 

larger. This is often the limiting factor when the depth of focus is 
not.

> I can understand which angle your referring to, but where do I go
> from there.




Attachments:
  C:\Documents and Settings\jon.SCR\Desktop\keystone-Model.jpg
Jon Lagerquist
Technical Director  [at]  South Coast Repertory
Costa Mesa, CA


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:27:54 GMT
Subject: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
Message-Id: <20070123.162826.833.1082451 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

The devices on sale at the 99cent store for repairing flat tires do =

an excellent job or inserting ribbons in rope without damaging the =

chords. Their intended use is to push thin strips to rubber covered =

with glue through the puncture of a tire; there are no rough or sharp =

edges on the tool; the 'eye' in this T-shaped tool is similar to the =

eye of a needle, only much larger, so you can thread a ribbon through =

it and then remove the device once the ribbon is in place through a =

slot that opens when the ribbon is in place.
/s/ Richard
______________________________

>   Let me put it this way: I have a spike ground from an old =

>flat-blade screwdriver  


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:11:05
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Portable Stages and Building Code

Speaking of architects vs consultants vs users, How do you all propose to
get the FOH gear *to* FOH?  Nunaya so far have ever seemed to get it right,
it's either a trek outdoors to have the FOH kit come through the same doors
as the audience (which tend to be on the opposite side of the building as
the oading dock in most cases) or through the house, with it's own hazards
and pitfalls (ouch, sorry about that one...).
Speaking of through the house, how many of you, that fall in the first two
titles on tonight's card, have ever tried to roll anything with wheels up a
side aisle (supposing that yer not a complete idiot and have put nothing
but stairs betwixt the stage and the FOH position).  Not that you've even
thought of having the sound guy out in the house where he can actually
*hear* the show, but I digress...
Your box will sway back and forth, as teh aisles have more pitch and roll
built into them than a double black diamond run, and are about as
treacherous.  I know, you have to make that transfer from the doors that
feed the aisle to the pitch of the aisle gradually.  Didja have to do it in
the path that makes the run to the top of the house rake?
This is probably the cause of more knee injuries to stagehands than the
afore-mentioned double black diamond!  Keep it in mind, wouldja, that there
*will* be folk pushing large and heavy kit up the aisles, and it'll have to
come back down.  Try to figure a way for it to get there, a place for it to
go when it does, and a generous fudge factor in both areas.
I mean, ya did go to college for all this stuff, dincha?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:21:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

>I try to learn from my mistakes, so this semester, I am requiring  
>introductory posts from my Drafting I students.

Please tell them that this is *not* an environment where text-lish is
thought of as useful or cute, and serious attempts at English are
appreciated.  Incorrect grammar, punctuation and capitalizations, as well
as misspellings and run-on sentences, will be publically humiliated, with
the exception of those posts from children that are posting from an
elementary school.  And tell them l will tell their English teachers if
they screw it up.
Typoes are my jurisdiction...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:49:55 -0500
From: Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
In-reply-to: <list-41572363 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net
Message-id: <000001c73f51$90ceeed0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys>

Are typical rope fids (designed to spread the strands with out damage
and pass something through) too big or just not as good as the found
items people use?

Josh Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
ladesigners [at] juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:28 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

The devices on sale at the 99cent store for repairing flat tires do 
an excellent job or inserting ribbons in rope without damaging the 
chords. Their intended use is to push thin strips to rubber covered 
with glue through the puncture of a tire; there are no rough or sharp 
edges on the tool; the 'eye' in this T-shaped tool is similar to the 
eye of a needle, only much larger, so you can thread a ribbon through 
it and then remove the device once the ribbon is in place through a 
slot that opens when the ribbon is in place.
/s/ Richard
______________________________

>   Let me put it this way: I have a spike ground from an old 
>flat-blade screwdriver  


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070123172931.00c8b4a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:29:31
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re:  Wireless speakers

>I applaud your trying to have the effects come from where they are
supposed to do.

You'd have loved my last sound design, Frank.  I only had a coupla days,
and the three things that were happening were very precise.  It was a small
room with the audience on three sides, not quite 'in the round', but *very*
intimate, and the actors inter-acted with the audience on occasion.  There
were a doorbell, a telephone that rang, and a bedside alarm that went off,
circa 1940-ish.  All three were located wehre they were wont to.  The
bedside alarme was actual bells that rang under the table it sat on, the
phone, the same, and the doorbell was, of course, by the entrance to the
theatre, where entrances were made.
I tend to use amplifiers and speakers if I have to, and much prefer having
actors make the sounds themselves if I can, and have someone making the
sound if I can't, or remotely trigger the sound happening, and record it
only if I haven't the resources to make it happen on stage (i.e., the sound
of a 747 is heard taking of, a large bomb goes off down the street, you
hear a marching band walk past the SSR windows...)
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070123173529.00c8b4a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:35:29
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: An era passes (anybody hear "taps" playing?) (fwd)

>Ampex  -> Quantegy  -> History's dustbin... technology moves fast...

Anyone want to buy a gently used Nagra III?  Oh, and please excuse me
posting that a 150W 110V bulb will produce a magical 159W at 110V.  I, of
course, typoed.

Oh, and if that's from a list that you and Dan Dugan both share, Please
tell him that I said 'Hello'.  He was the first designer to ever give me
sound cues on a CD *that he had recorded himself!!!*  Yeah, it was a bit of
a while ago...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <p06230912c1dc61043b62 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41572769 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41572769 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:04:28 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 5:21 PM -0500 1/23/07, CB wrote:

>Typoes are my jurisdiction...


[*snicker*]
Obviously.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

   "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell"
		--Dio, "Magica"


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070123174227.00c8b4a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:42:27
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

>What, no rigging?  Hmph!!

Probably hasn't done anything heinous enough to deserve it.  How did Dante
rank it?
Patron
Props
Lighting
Sound
Management
Designer 
Rigger
Actor
Mime

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012

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Message-Id: <p06230913c1dc6173555d [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41572902 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41572902 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:07:51 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer

At 7:49 PM -0500 1/23/07, Josh Ratty wrote:

>Are typical rope fids (designed to spread the strands with out damage
>and pass something through) too big or just not as good as the found
>items people use?


I've yet to find a commercial fid with an eye formed in it that works 
satisfactorily in rope under tension. Most marlingspikes and fids are 
meant to work with loose rope, which is not in abundance in most 
well-maintained flyrails I've seen.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  I almost don't feel the way I do.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:14:09 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
In-reply-to: <list-41572769 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <451AD13A-D31C-4032-A97D-33A95BB97540 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-41572769 [at] prxy.net>


Have you read my syllabus?


On Jan 23, 2007, at 12:21 PM, CB wrote:

> Please tell them that this is *not* an environment where text-lish is
> thought of as useful or cute, and serious attempts at English are
> appreciated.  Incorrect grammar, punctuation and capitalizations,  
> as well
> as misspellings and run-on sentences, will be publically  
> humiliated, with
> the exception of those posts from children that are posting from an
> elementary school.  And tell them l will tell their English  
> teachers if
> they screw it up.
> Typoes are my jurisdiction...



-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com



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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:23:24 -0500
From: Josh Ratty <josh.ratty [at] verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
In-reply-to: <list-41573402 [at] prxy.net>
Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net
Message-id: <000001c73f56$3e4e88a0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys>

Dig it. That's the answer I was looking for, thanks

Josh Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:08 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer



I've yet to find a commercial fid with an eye formed in it that works 
satisfactorily in rope under tension. Most marlingspikes and fids are 
meant to work with loose rope, which is not in abundance in most 
well-maintained flyrails I've seen.

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  I almost don't feel the way I do.


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Message-Id: <p06230919c1dc66c99595 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41573384 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41573384 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:31:23 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 5:42 PM -0500 1/23/07, CB wrote:

>Probably hasn't done anything heinous enough to deserve it.  How did Dante
>rank it?
>Patron
>Props
>Lighting
>Sound
>Management
>Designer
>Rigger
>Actor
>Mime


I'd rather have a daughter in a whorehouse than a son in sound reinforcement.

(btw, Chris, you might have forgotten that I can mix, probably a damn 
sight better than you can rig.  How's it feel to be dumber than a 
rigger?)

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

      "Those who do not learn from Usenet will
        be doomed to reimplement it... Poorly."

               -- Timothy Larson, alt.games.marathon

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Message-Id: <BC7BFBE9-A14D-4957-AC9E-6BDF62BC9EDD [at] gac.edu>
From: tech1 <tech1 [at] gac.edu>
Subject: wanted: fake cigars that look real
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:37:07 -0600

I am looking for a fake cigar.  All the "puff puff cigars" look fake  
and the puff can not really be seen from any distance.

We have an actor who does not smoke and others that can not handle  
the smoke.

Any suggestions welcomed!

T. Wilkens
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Peter, MN 56082

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Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:39:28 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A073B74CD [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41573924 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> >Probably hasn't done anything heinous enough to deserve it. =20
>=20
> I'd rather have a daughter in a whorehouse than a son in=20
> sound reinforcement.
>=20
> (btw, Chris, you might have forgotten that I can mix,=20
> probably a damn sight better than you can rig.  How's it feel=20
> to be dumber than a
> rigger?)

Damn, I missed you on the list during your hiatus, Dave.

Time to stock up on coffee-spit-proof keyboards again...

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Subject: RE: wanted: fake cigars that look real
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:41:37 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A073B74CE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41574067 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I am looking for a fake cigar.  All the "puff puff cigars"=20
> look fake and the puff can not really be seen from any distance.
>=20
> We have an actor who does not smoke and others that can not=20
> handle the smoke.
>=20
> Any suggestions welcomed!

How 'bout having the actor carrying around an unlit cigar?  Or is the
actual puffing part of the required stage business?  As with cigs,
there's a lot of "business" that can be done to make it *seem* like the
actor is going to light up, or has, or does, without ever putting flame
to leaf...

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Message-ID: <b3333cd60701231754g5560f39ev94219cc374cc3a39 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:54:23 -0600
From: "Patrick Immel" <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vectorworks Question
In-Reply-To: <list-41569694 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41569694 [at] prxy.net>

> Greetings,
> I know this may sound like a stupid question, but how do I make my channel and circuit container larger in the label legend manager?  I can change the font size but my container is too small.
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve Schepker

You have to look in the object info pallette, you should find a folder
or level called "containers".  In here you should find those objects.
Right click and select "edit".  Make them bigger and you should be all
set to go!

This should do it...can't confirm as I forgot my dongle at my office!
Pat

fyi, there is a message board specifically for VW Spotlight related
questions...very nice resource!



-- 
Patrick Immel
Lighting and Scenic Designer
Northwest Missouri State University
patrickimmel.com

VW Designer V12.5
1GB Ram
Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:57:09 -0800
Subject: Re: Vectorworks Question
From: Samuel Jones <sjones [at] ucla.edu>
Cc: sschepker [at] charter.net
Message-ID: <C1DBFCF5.D886%sjones [at] ucla.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41569694 [at] prxy.net>

In your drawing:
1. go to the Resource Browser
2. make sure Symbol folders are showing
3. find and open the symbol folder called "Containers"
4. right click (control click for macs) the symbol you want to enlarge and
select edit.
5. change the size of the container in the symbol edit window.

HTH
Sam

Samuel L. Jones
AutoPlotVW, AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight, and Chain Hoist Tool Developer
sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu

==========================================================


> From: <sschepker [at] charter.net>
> Reply-To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0800
> To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Vectorworks Question
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Greetings,
> I know this may sound like a stupid question, but how do I make my channel and
> circuit container larger in the label legend manager?  I can change the font
> size but my container is too small.
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve Schepker
> Southeastern Louisiana University



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Message-Id: <p06230900c1dc6fa4a8b4 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41574140 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41574140 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:07:12 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 8:39 PM -0500 1/23/07, Paul Schreiner wrote:

>Damn, I missed you on the list during your hiatus, Dave.
>Time to stock up on coffee-spit-proof keyboards again...


May I recommend...

<http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/>

It's Rigger-Approved!

-- 
-D.Vick

  Boycott political correctness - offend someone today!


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Subject: RE: Hi, my name is Abby!
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:15:35 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A073B74D0 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-41574979 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> <http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/>
>=20
> It's Rigger-Approved!

Certainly *looks* simple enough...<duck>

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Message-Id: <p06230906c1dc72b15fd7 [at] [192.168.0.2]>
In-Reply-To: <list-41575067 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41575067 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:20:26 -0500
From: Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!

At 9:15 PM -0500 1/23/07, Paul Schreiner wrote:

>>  <http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/>
>>  It's Rigger-Approved!
>
>  Certainly *looks* simple enough...<duck>


What are you, Paul, another hum-head?

-- 
Dave Vick
rigger [at] tds.net

  "Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism."
                    -- Type O Negative

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From: Valerie Saggau <saggauv1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
Message-ID: <11c096211c17ab.11c17ab11c0962 [at] montclair.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:44:51 -0500
Subject: New Member

Hello, my name is Valerie Saggau & I am currently a freshman at Montclair State University. I am majoring in Theatre: Production/Design. I haven't picked a focus yet, but I am interested in carpentry or maybe set designing & I'm also going to look into stage managing as well....


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Message-ID: <003f01c73f64$c93917b0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-41560253 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: ETC Remote Focus 2
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:07:30 -0800

> I have an RFU at a high school that I work for.  We had a studen step on 
> it and crack the face plate and destroy part of the LCD screen.  It was 
> sent back to ETC for repairs.  The bill was only 500 or so for the it.


$500 DOLLARS?  For some of my HS shows, that's 25% of the budget.

You New Yorkers live the big life.   :)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Message-ID: <1175.69.203.216.247.1169608293.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-41540556 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41540556 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:11:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Palm Treo and Bluetooth
From: "Andy Leviss" <Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com>

Occy <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> All you Palm Treo experts out there which OS is better the Palm OS on the
> 700 or Windows Mobile OS?

That's a question bordering on religion, about on equal with Mac vs
Windows. That said...I'm a Palm boy, all the way. It's just simpler. Hot
Sync works a lot more smoothly than ActiveSync, which from what I've heard
from those using it is notoriously flaky. Everything is just a lot
"closer" in Palm, what takes one or two clicks to get to in the Palm
built-in programs (Calendar, Contacts, To Dos, Memos) takes 3-5 clicks in
WinMob. There's also a much wider selection of third-party programs for
Palm OS, anything from checkbook registers to rigging calculators to mp3
players to stamp collection databases to... (many of these do exist for
Win Mob, but there tends to be much more variety for Palm).

> And for you Bluetooth users out there which one
> of
> the many Bluetooths, do you like the best?

While I can't recommend one, having not found one I like yet, I will warn
that this is the one flaw of Treos, be they Win or Palm--their Bluetooth
radio is notoriously crappy. You want a headset with a very strong radio
in it, because pairing a weak headset with the weak Treo will result in
static at a very short range. The one possible exception is the new (GSM
only) Treo 680, which has an entirely new radio chipset, both on the
Bluetooth and cellular sides of things.

--Andy
http://OneFromTheRoad.com


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Message-ID: <f23a0f840701231915t9788049od13b2a95d1e9f206 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:15:05 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hi, my name is Abby!
In-Reply-To: <list-41575187 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41575067 [at] prxy.net> <list-41575187 [at] prxy.net>

> What are you, Paul, another hum-head?

Nah...well, not exclusively, anyway.

Think I'll let my students handle this one.

Ooooh...I smell a homework assignment! <vbg>

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From: "Juliana A. Szutarski" <szutarskij1 [at] mail.montclair.edu>
Message-ID: <11c86bf11cb53a.11cb53a11c86bf [at] montclair.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:15:42 -0500
Subject: Introduction

Hi, I'm Juliana Szutarski. I'm a second semester freshman at Montclair State University, and I'm majoring in Theatre Production and Design. I have't at all decided what I want to do with myself yet, but hopefully I'll be able to figure that out soon enough.


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Message-ID: <BAY103-F2582C92D38C6894AFAA49CDBAC0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-41569941 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: ETC Eos
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:25:30 -0500

Has anyone spent anytime with ETC's latest endeavor, the Eos?

I am looking for pros and cons, ins and outs, suggestions, complaints, etc.
I'm giving it a test run on a show next month.


-Dyan O'Connell

Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX

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Message-ID: <BAY125-F3251453F72E5082437270AC3AC0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-41576159 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ETC Remote Focus 2
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:54:58 -0500

Actually it is a Conn. HS.  Even more money!



Susan Nicholson
Lighting Designer
917-621-6298
"We are the Music Makers and we are the Dreamers of the Dream"-Willy Wonka





From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject: Re: ETC Remote Focus 2
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:07:30 -0800

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

>I have an RFU at a high school that I work for.  We had a studen step on it 
>and crack the face plate and destroy part of the LCD screen.  It was sent 
>back to ETC for repairs.  The bill was only 500 or so for the it.


$500 DOLLARS?  For some of my HS shows, that's 25% of the budget.

You New Yorkers live the big life.   :)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative

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Message-ID: <f23a0f840701232004t464ca743y54e22f0136bdd0e5 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:04:10 -0500
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Today's completely OT PSA

Forgive the OT-ness of the post, but I'm gonna be on a personal
crusade for a while.

A thousand pardons asked if I'm intruding on LRLR territory here, but...

Yesterday morning an 10:34, my wife and I lost our best friend to
inflammatory breast cancer.  She was diagnosed a grand total of six
months ago.  Mammograms don't find it, and it strikes teens as well as
adults (of both genders, mind you).

I'm not gonna go into a big spiel.  I'm just gonna put this out there,
in the hopes a different mother of three catches it in time to do
something about it that actually works.

http://www.ibcresearch.org/

Rest in peace, Heather.

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Message-ID: <c9f556360701232015n5aaa60dbude79c42dcb581b38 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:15:55 -0600
From: "Tim Catlett" <catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com>
Cc: paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: Today's completely OT PSA
In-Reply-To: <list-41577648 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41577648 [at] prxy.net>

Paul,

My deepest sympathies to you and your wife.
You are both in my thoughts.

-- 
Tim Catlett
Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama
Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare
Director of Outreach/Membership  - ISETSA (International Secondary
Education Theatre Health & Safety Association)
Cell: 414.975.4424
EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1DC4938.16092%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <1042586.1169609318914.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

I like it a bunch. Our buddy Willy Mac (former lister) just tech'd a show on
it and he says he likes it too. Some Rock and roll types don't love it, it;s
not as flexible as a grandMA on a user configurable level.  But I think it
will do very well in a theater environment.



On 1/23/07 10:25 PM, "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Has anyone spent anytime with ETC's latest endeavor, the Eos?
> 
> I am looking for pros and cons, ins and outs, suggestions, complaints, etc.
> I'm giving it a test run on a show next month.
> 
> 
> -Dyan O'Connell
> 
> Southern Methodist University
> Dallas, TX
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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> 
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Message-ID: <45B6E224.9040002 [at] gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:35:48 -0500
From: Brian James <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To:  brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
References: <list-41578049 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41578049 [at] prxy.net>

I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local supplier, 
seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed VERY flexible 
and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it is not a good 
make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy acknowledged that it is not 
well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.

The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some insight, it 
is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some 
graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to 
viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge base to 
know if I even have a valid question here....


Herrick Goldman wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I like it a bunch. Our buddy Willy Mac (former lister) just tech'd a show on
> it and he says he likes it too. Some Rock and roll types don't love it, it;s
> not as flexible as a grandMA on a user configurable level.  But I think it
> will do very well in a theater environment.
>
>
>
> On 1/23/07 10:25 PM, "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Has anyone spent anytime with ETC's latest endeavor, the Eos?
>>
>> I am looking for pros and cons, ins and outs, suggestions, complaints, etc.
>> I'm giving it a test run on a show next month.
>>
>>
>> -Dyan O'Connell
>>
>> Southern Methodist University
>> Dallas, TX
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>     
>
>   


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Message-ID: <002b01c73f71$f5b0d690$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200>
From: "Rob Riddle" <stagecraft [at] stageshirt.com>
References: <list-41577648 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Today's completely OT PSA
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:41:47 -0500

screw OT-ness,  Call it a PSA

I lost my sister, at 50 years young, last Aug,  due to breast cancer
that had gotten into her liver.  When diagnosed she had 4 weeks.

Women of ALL ages, get checked, and check yourself, regularly!

Rob't

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Schreiner" <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:04 PM
Subject: Today's completely OT PSA


> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Forgive the OT-ness of the post, but I'm gonna be on a personal
> crusade for a while.
>
> A thousand pardons asked if I'm intruding on LRLR territory here,
but...
>
> Yesterday morning an 10:34, my wife and I lost our best friend to
> inflammatory breast cancer.  She was diagnosed a grand total of six
> months ago.  Mammograms don't find it, and it strikes teens as well
as
> adults (of both genders, mind you).
>
> I'm not gonna go into a big spiel.  I'm just gonna put this out
there,
> in the hopes a different mother of three catches it in time to do
> something about it that actually works.
>
> http://www.ibcresearch.org/
>
> Rest in peace, Heather.



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:49:53 -0500
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1DC4FA1.1609B%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <28476580.1169613664909.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

At LDI they SWORE to us that the OS was locked and untouchable either on
purpose or by viruses....I was sorry they didn't stick with MacOS like the
virtuoso had.  Especially since Strand now interfaces with Mac too.




On 1/23/07 11:35 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local supplier,
> seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed VERY flexible
> and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it is not a good
> make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy acknowledged that it is not
> well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.
> 
> The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some insight, it
> is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some
> graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to
> viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge base to
> know if I even have a valid question here....

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Message-ID: <68063acf0701232050o69ab7256k11f98f49b68bc78d [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:50:17 -0500
From: "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
Subject: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student

Hello all,

I am Katrina Wiechmann and am a sophomore at Randolph-Macon Woman's
College: that lovely institution at which Paul spends so much time,
supposedly TDing, but half the time we aren't really sure what he's
doing. ;)  I am one of his elusive stagecraft students, and am writing
an introduction to get out of any greater torture which he may decide
to foist on us.  I have also work-studied for him for 1.5 years, so I
feel comfortable saying he can be a hum-<bum> sometimes=85like when he
IMs me at 11pm and tells me I have a homework assignment to do, but
makes me try to figure out what it is on my own.

I am a physics major with minors in math and classical studies.
Theatre-wise I have done mostly work on set construction and a (very)
little bit of work with lights, sound, rigging (through Sapsis Rigging
this past summer=85Hi, Chris *wave*), stage management (RMWC Greek
Play), and acting, though, I don't really consider myself to have any
real acting experience since I have not tried it since high school.
(No acting, besides, "*cough cough* Paul, I can't come in to work
today because I'm sick," but of course I would never do that.)

Probably my greatest interest in the theatre arena (note, not the
arena theatre) is in classical/ancient drama.  Basically if I change
my mind about being an astronomer, I will go into that bustling
*cough* realm of ancient drama, where I have probably already taken
classes with 1% of the known scholars in the field=85only 198 left to
go!

Well, I hope I have been somewhat amusing with a smattering of actual
information about myself thrown in.  I apologise in advance for any
violations of netiquette, etc., as well as any lapses into British
spellings.

~Katrina

--=20
"Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry
up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill

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Message-ID: <68063acf0701232053p5855a1dcu1f7d0376e0640c28 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:53:51 -0500
From: "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
In-Reply-To: <list-41578657 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41578657 [at] prxy.net>

Oh no, my first blunder already, though I do not know how it happened,
I apologise.  The first time I sent the intro, I was told it could not
go through do to incorrect formatting, now it is through twice.
Again, many apologies.

~Katrina

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Message-ID: <68063acf0701232108ka38b851wcc544f4b752831fc [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:08:34 -0500
From: "Katrina Wiechmann" <kewiech [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
In-Reply-To: <list-41578726 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41578657 [at] prxy.net> <list-41578726 [at] prxy.net>

*gives up*  (sorry if this somehow gets doubled as well...)

On 1/23/07, Katrina Wiechmann <kewiech [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Oh no, my first blunder already, though I do not know how it happened,
> I apologise.  The first time I sent the intro, I was told it could not
> go through do to incorrect formatting, now it is through twice.
> Again, many apologies.
>
> ~Katrina
>


-- 
"Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry
up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:16:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line
In-Reply-To: <list-41538509 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <445298.75582.qm [at] web82208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had a feeling when I wrote about spike tape that I
was putting up a nice big target for Dave to aim at.
It's nice to be right about something occasionally...
Dave, at first reading your method sounds like it
would take 3 or 4 hands. Since I am sure you can do it
with no hands, do you have any suggestions to make it
easier for us mere mortals to set a ribbon spike with
only two hands? :) My first thought is to place the
bottom clamp so that it braces against the handle of
the rope lock. Since there are two clamps, I would
assume that you have to move the rope slightly to be
able to spike to the top of the rope lock. Am I
missing something else here?

Mike Heinicke


--- Rigger <rigger [at] tds.net> wrote:
> Michael Heinicke commented on speed and ease of tape
> spikes over 
> ribbons. Let me put it this way: I have a spike
> ground from an old 
> flat-blade screwdriver and a a pair of rope-clamps I
> welded up from a 
> pair of ViseGrips with pieces of 1" black pipe in
> the jaws (photos by 
> request). I also carry a little Rubbermaid tub full
> of 6" long bits 
> of 1" grosgrain ribbon in a shocking assortment of
> colors for various 
> trims. And I bet I can spike a trim as fast or
> faster with a ribbon 
> as anyone can with tape, and drift that trim an inch
> or two in either 
> direction on either direction twice as fast. (of
> course, a decade or 
> two of practice helps...)
> 
> You grab the rope with the clamps, twist them in
> opposition to unlay 
> the rope strands, stick the spike
> through-and-through between the 
> strands, lace a ribbon through the hole in the end
> of the spike and 
> pull it back through the rope, holding one end of
> the ribbon to pull 
> it back out of the spike as the spike backs out of
> the rope. Release 
> the clamps, and Bob's yer uncle.  To adjust a trim
> mark a couple of 
> inches, just grab the rope with the clamps, twist it
> a half-turn to 
> release some tension between the strands, and shove
> the ribbon 
> wherever you need it. Or a lot of the time you can
> just pull up or 
> down on both ends of the ribbon and it'll slip
> between the strands of 
> its own accord, without unlaying the rope.


------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070124002034.03930348 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:28:19 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
In-Reply-To: <list-41578350 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-41578049 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-41578350 [at] prxy.net>

While playing with Martin during the development of the Maxxys, i 
discovered that as long as you dont load a bunch of crap onto the 
console (ie internet stuff, games, etc) it's very stable, and very 
safe.  I would imagine Eos is the same way.  Just use the light board 
for lighting, and you'll be ok.  Watching their code guys work was an 
incredible thing.  We were literally sitting in a room, saying things 
like, "The colors that the LED buttons turn is inconsistent, they 
should all be green [insert your situation here]" then the guys would 
hop on their laptops, e-mail Denmark, stick their jumpdrives in the 
console, and Whamo!!! the LEDs were all green [insert your situation 
here].  Really cool stuff.  Anybody ever hear of someone using .wav 
files linked to cues to actually call their followspots?

-ford


At 11:35 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local 
>supplier, seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed 
>VERY flexible and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it 
>is not a good make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy 
>acknowledged that it is not well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.
>
>The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some insight, 
>it is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some 
>graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to 
>viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge base to 
>know if I even have a valid question here....
>
>
>Herrick Goldman wrote:
>>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>
>>I like it a bunch. Our buddy Willy Mac (former lister) just tech'd a show on
>>it and he says he likes it too. Some Rock and roll types don't love it, it;s
>>not as flexible as a grandMA on a user configurable level.  But I think it
>>will do very well in a theater environment.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 1/23/07 10:25 PM, "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Has anyone spent anytime with ETC's latest endeavor, the Eos?
>>>
>>>I am looking for pros and cons, ins and outs, suggestions, complaints, etc.
>>>I'm giving it a test run on a show next month.
>>>
>>>
>>>-Dyan O'Connell
>>>
>>>Southern Methodist University
>>>Dallas, TX
>>>
>>>_________________________________________________________________
>>>Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live
>>>Spaces 
>>>http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://space
>>>s.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax 


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Message-ID: <45B6EEE2.2050509 [at] sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:30:10 -0600
From: Shawn Palmer <shawn.palmer [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Today's completely OT PSA
References: <list-41577648 [at] prxy.net> <list-41578468 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41578468 [at] prxy.net>

Amen brothers.  My wife did six months of salvage chemo a couple years 
ago, when she was thirty-five.  She was a stage IV. Every week included 
an overnight in the hospital.  It was hell.  I was a mess.  We were 
lucky and/or blessed- she's still here.

Also... my brother-in-law did two rounds of salvage chemo.  The first 
round was at the same time as my wife's.  Synopsis: men should check 
themselves too.

Please.

Shawn Palmer
Appleton, Wisconsin
USA


> screw OT-ness,  Call it a PSA
> 
> I lost my sister, at 50 years young, last Aug,  due to breast cancer
> that had gotten into her liver.  When diagnosed she had 4 weeks.
> 
> Women of ALL ages, get checked, and check yourself, regularly!
> 
> Rob't

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Message-ID: <45B6F015.9030206 [at] usittuta.org>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:35:17 -0600
From: USITT UTA Webmaster <webmaster [at] usittuta.org>
Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student
References: <list-41578657 [at] prxy.net> <list-41578726 [at] prxy.net> <list-41579026 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-41579026 [at] prxy.net>

Gmail auto formats in HTML. There is a little link at the end of the 
formatting bar that will change your message to plain-text. I don't know 
if that setting stays that way or if you have to toggle it for each 
message you send.

----
Kyler Glaze
kyler [at] kylerglaze.com
http://www.usittuta.org/



Katrina Wiechmann wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> *gives up*  (sorry if this somehow gets doubled as well...)
>
> On 1/23/07, Katrina Wiechmann <kewiech [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Oh no, my first blunder already, though I do not know how it happened,
>> I apologise.  The first time I sent the intro, I was told it could not
>> go through do to incorrect formatting, now it is through twice.
>> Again, many apologies.
>>
>> ~Katrina
>>
>
>


------------------------------

Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070124003500.03838a50 [at] cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:35:59 -0500
From: Ford Sellers <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college
  student

Where da libary at?

"Sir, it's not proper English to end a sentence in a preposition"

Oh, uh...Where da libary at, A$$hole.

At 11:50 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>--
>"Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry
>up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill

************************
Ford H Sellers
Master Electrician
Cornell University
Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts
430 College Avenue
Ithaca NY, 14850
(607) 254-2736  office
(607) 254-2733  fax  


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Message-ID: <BAY103-F154BC07B6EFFB861EFDA48DBAC0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-41578638 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:37:07 -0500

Herrick- Has your buddy Willy Mac also programmed on a GrandMA, and more 
specifically has he used a GrandMA in a theatrical show? And how does that 
compare to the Eos? I spent a little time with it at LDI, but not enough to 
get a good feel. Although the GrandMA is obviously a great live board, I've 
used it in theatre as well, so I'm looking forward to seeing the Eos in 
comparison.

I was also a little surprised at the Windows OS, but I can only assume it's 
because of the rest of the ETC line and compatability between them.

-Dyan O'Connell

Southern Methodist University
Dallas, TX





>From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>Subject: Re: ETC Eos
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:49:53 -0500
>
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>At LDI they SWORE to us that the OS was locked and untouchable either on
>purpose or by viruses....I was sorry they didn't stick with MacOS like the
>virtuoso had.  Especially since Strand now interfaces with Mac too.
>
>
>
>
>On 1/23/07 11:35 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local supplier,
> > seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed VERY flexible
> > and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it is not a good
> > make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy acknowledged that it is not
> > well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.
> >
> > The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some insight, it
> > is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some
> > graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to
> > viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge base to
> > know if I even have a valid question here....
>
>--
>Herrick Goldman
>Lighting Designer, NYC
>www.HGLightingDesign.com
>917-797-3624
>"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
>light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:41:17 -0500
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1DC5BAD.160AA%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <24086409.1169616704759.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

These are the same Denmarkians who made that console only run 511 DMX
channels when it first came out. Their code had started at 0.

It's better now...it probably goes to 513. I also like the built in cup
holder.


On 1/24/07 12:28 AM, "Ford Sellers" <fhs4 [at] cornell.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> While playing with Martin during the development of the Maxxys, i
> discovered that as long as you dont load a bunch of crap onto the
> console (ie internet stuff, games, etc) it's very stable, and very
> safe.  I would imagine Eos is the same way.  Just use the light board
> for lighting, and you'll be ok.  Watching their code guys work was an
> incredible thing.  We were literally sitting in a room, saying things
> like, "The colors that the LED buttons turn is inconsistent, they
> should all be green [insert your situation here]" then the guys would
> hop on their laptops, e-mail Denmark, stick their jumpdrives in the
> console, and Whamo!!! the LEDs were all green [insert your situation
> here].  Really cool stuff.  Anybody ever hear of someone using .wav
> files linked to cues to actually call their followspots?
> 
> -ford
> 


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:02:14 -0500
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <C1DC6096.160B5%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <25059294.1169617316718.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Willy is a pure Virtuoso guy. He helped develop it and you'll need to pry it
from his cold dead hands.

I love the grandMA for both theater and one-off /rock and roll stuff.  Willy
and I had the debate between Virtuoso and GrandMA he felt the GrandMA led to
sloppy programming based on the fact that you can do so much (too much?) all
at once. I know what he means but it;s hard to agree when faced with little
time to program. Willy would prefer to pre-plan programming and take the
time to craft things better.  Maybe I'll coax him back on the list and he
can make his statements more clearly than I can.

I've used the GrandMA on a Broadway rig and it was great. Warren Flynn was
our programmer. As with any large rig it's hard to get big and subtly
detailed looks really really fast...i did feel like the GrandmA was way
faster than a hogII or Obsession II would have been even with the best
programmers. The Eos comes out of the virtuoso philosophy of direct selects
and FX masking (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and as with any console
Garbage in Garbage out. If you take the time to set your stuff up, your
process will be smoother.

I've got a few good friends who are totally GrandMA committed. One is
programming Ricky Martin as we speak. He used to be a hog III wizard and
still is but loves the GrandMA much better.

HTH. 

_H



On 1/24/07 12:37 AM, "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Herrick- Has your buddy Willy Mac also programmed on a GrandMA, and more
> specifically has he used a GrandMA in a theatrical show? And how does that
> compare to the Eos? I spent a little time with it at LDI, but not enough to
> get a good feel. Although the GrandMA is obviously a great live board, I've
> used it in theatre as well, so I'm looking forward to seeing the Eos in
> comparison.
> 
> I was also a little surprised at the Windows OS, but I can only assume it's
> because of the rest of the ETC line and compatability between them.
> 
> -Dyan O'Connell
> 
> Southern Methodist University
> Dallas, TX
> 


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:07:06 -0600
From: "Michael Powers" <mptecdir [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Traveling to URTA

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"Susan Nicholson" <theatretrainer [at] hotmail.com> writes:

<< ......  Or if you brave as I was, I took them on the plane and
put them in the first class closet .............>>

Back in 19 ....  60 something, I was flying to one of my first job
interviews.  One of the things in my portfolio was a replica 18th
century Scottish dirk that I had hand crafted from aluminum bar sock
and an oak blank.  The tip was about as sharp as the point on one of
those 1" diameter knitting needles and the cutting "edge" had a 3/16''
radius.  Obviously not a WMD.  Indy to Chicago, no problem, Chi town
to NYC, now it's a problem.  Missed my first flight, got on the next
one when they agreed to let a flight attendant take custody of the
prop during the flight.  Can you imagine the reaction to that dagger
today???!!!!???

-- 
Michael

Michael Powers
Director of Operations
Central Lighting & Equipment
1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150
West Des Moines Iowa 50265
515-277-4190   877-977-4190
Fax  515-277-2295
515-557-0178  cell
michael [at] clelights.com

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From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: New Member
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:15:38 -0500


On 23 Jan 2007, at 21:44, Valerie Saggau wrote:

>  I haven't picked a focus yet, but I am interested in carpentry or  
> maybe set designing & I'm also going to look into stage managing as  
> well....

	Not to worry then. It's only in lighting that you have to worry  
about focus.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
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Smith Opera House




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From: Bruce Purdy <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Counterweight Operatng line ribbon installer
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:24:12 -0500


On 23 Jan 2007, at 20:07, Rigger wrote:

> I've yet to find a commercial fid with an eye formed in it that  
> works satisfactorily in rope under tension. Most marlingspikes and  
> fids are meant to work with loose rope, which is not in abundance  
> in most well-maintained flyrails I've seen.

	Uncle Bill taught how to release tension using the "Pedal" on the  
lower block. I've found that on MOST of my linesets I can create  
enough slack to insert the ribbon without any tools. Release tension,  
push the rope down against the lock and twist, then I can actually  
stick a finger through the rope. Then let the block drop and tension  
is restored. Does this mean that it's not well maintained or that I'm  
doing something wrong? It seems to work well for me.

Bruce
____________________
Bruce Purdy
Technical Director
Smith Opera House




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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 03:39:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Brad Pattison <phildqrak [at] mindspring.com>
Reply-To: Brad Pattison <phildqrak [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: Full Monty Sign

Can someone please help me? =20
The community theater at which I work is doing a production of "Full Monty"=
 and I need some input regarding the sign. The Production Mgr./ Set Designe=
r/Director and the Props guy decided to build it out of luan and framed wit=
h 1X but no glue!! Then light it with 5w x-mas lamps. So they drilled like =
2,300 holes roughly 270/letter (twice the amount that they determined would=
 be good enough). I (just for kicks) decided to show them, on one letter, h=
ow wonderful it would be.  What a surprise, it sucked! Then we tried using =
higher output lamps, say 25w or 40w, to outline the letters. Well that suck=
ed too! I said regardless of whether the sign is bright or just kind of bri=
ght the effect would need to be supplimented with outside sources, like  pa=
r cans or scoops or blinders of some nature. That is great but if the sign =
isn't at least almost as bright as the sign they will lose the sign in the =
other lights. Am I correct? Any suggestions on how I can save them from the=
mselves and salvage what has already been done? Maybe cover every other can=
delabra base with a sticker and use 60w lamps?  Significantly more dimmers =
but that should have been expected. =20

Oh yes there is one more item... The Lighting Designer had no input into th=
is design, he just gets to come in and find out how good it is! I was used =
as a specific answer person... you know, 'if we have this many lights like =
this how many dimmers would we use?'. Completely blind to the "incidental" =
variables, ie; wire guage,  type of lamps, etc....

Brad

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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:03:47 -0800

Hey! I'm not a "former" lister...I just, um, get too busy. :)

Anyway, I did indeed program the new musical "13" currently running  
at the Mark Taper in LA.  I worked with Mike Baldassari who designed  
the show, and was initially concerned about doing this ambitious of a  
project in a facility that doesn't generally do musicals and is only  
equipped with a Strand 530 (or is it a 550?  I can't remember)  Mike  
and Anne communicated long before the project went into full swing  
and decided the show would make a great beta-test outing.  Using the  
desk would streamline the process a bit as the show was just a little  
bit too big to try to bang out on the Strand desk, but not so big as  
to justify a Hog or a Virt and working with two front ends.  Anne  
Valentino led the Virtuoso project thru inception up thru somewhere  
'round 3.0 or so (?), and it was great fun to join her, Dennis  
Varian, Tom Cellner, and John Hessler in giving the desk it's first  
real outing on a fairly ambitious musical.  I don't have time to dive  
in super deep right here in this post but I'll be happy to answer  
questions and jump into this thread.

...yes Herrick I'll pay attention to the list now! :)

I'll start at the end - the show is up and running, I haven't seen  
one single mention of a lighting problem or lighting at all in the  
nightly show reports (so far...knock wood), and I'd give the desk an  
A-minus/B-plus which is downright miraculous considering it's  
considered "version 1.0-beta".  As Herrick said I'm a hardcore Virt  
user, and as such live in a cue-only world.  This is the first time  
I've done an entire rig with a truly-tracking console and I didn't  
hate it like on every other "tracking" moving light desk. Real,  
honest to god tracking combined with moving lights and conventionals  
on the same desk was, in fact, kind of a guilty pleasure!  Nevermind  
that they've come up with the first auto-mark feature that actually  
works like it should.

In my estimation, the desk will eventually the de-facto replacement  
for obsessionII on b'way.  An obsession programmer or an obsession  
using designer with even a mildly experienced obsession operator can  
start up the desk and get work done immediately.  Curmudgeonly (sp?)  
old automated lighting programmers (yes, Herrick, like ME...) will  
also be able to, after applying their workflow and style to the  
capabilities of the desk and wrapping their heads around a world  
where the command line is part of just about every move you make, get  
work done also.  An interesting way I think this desk will affect our  
business is that it won't be such a scary thing when a designer is  
presented with a situation like ours - the show is too big to be  
called small, but too small to be called big and as such they for  
whatever reason just can't quite justify a dual desk/dual programmer  
solution.  If, say, 5 out of 10 musicals can be done on one desk and  
the rest on two nowadays, when Eos is in wide release and wide use  
I'd say maybe 7 out of 10 musicals will be able to be done on one  
desk (provided it's this desk...) and it won't necessarily be painful.

...obviously I like the dual front end way of working, so this is all  
bad news for ME!!!!

Michael Eddy is working on a "product of the month" column that Mike  
B. and I contributed to, so keep an eye out for that.  I bombarded  
him with way longer answers to his interview questions than he  
probably needed. :)

Cheers,

Willy

On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Willy is a pure Virtuoso guy. He helped develop it and you'll need  
> to pry it
> from his cold dead hands.
>
> I love the grandMA for both theater and one-off /rock and roll  
> stuff.  Willy
> and I had the debate between Virtuoso and GrandMA he felt the  
> GrandMA led to
> sloppy programming based on the fact that you can do so much (too  
> much?) all
> at once. I know what he means but it;s hard to agree when faced  
> with little
> time to program. Willy would prefer to pre-plan programming and  
> take the
> time to craft things better.  Maybe I'll coax him back on the list  
> and he
> can make his statements more clearly than I can.
>
> I've used the GrandMA on a Broadway rig and it was great. Warren  
> Flynn was
> our programmer. As with any large rig it's hard to get big and subtly
> detailed looks really really fast...i did feel like the GrandmA was  
> way
> faster than a hogII or Obsession II would have been even with the best
> programmers. The Eos comes out of the virtuoso philosophy of direct  
> selects
> and FX masking (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and as with any  
> console
> Garbage in Garbage out. If you take the time to set your stuff up,  
> your
> process will be smoother.
>
> I've got a few good friends who are totally GrandMA committed. One is
> programming Ricky Martin as we speak. He used to be a hog III  
> wizard and
> still is but loves the GrandMA much better.
>
> HTH.
>
> _H
>
>
>
> On 1/24/07 12:37 AM, "Dyan OConnell" <dyanoconnell [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
>> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Herrick- Has your buddy Willy Mac also programmed on a GrandMA,  
>> and more
>> specifically has he used a GrandMA in a theatrical show? And how  
>> does that
>> compare to the Eos? I spent a little time with it at LDI, but not  
>> enough to
>> get a good feel. Although the GrandMA is obviously a great live  
>> board, I've
>> used it in theatre as well, so I'm looking forward to seeing the  
>> Eos in
>> comparison.
>>
>> I was also a little surprised at the Windows OS, but I can only  
>> assume it's
>> because of the rest of the ETC line and compatability between them.
>>
>> -Dyan O'Connell
>>
>> Southern Methodist University
>> Dallas, TX
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness  
> and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>
>
>
>


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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:20:00 -0800


On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Dyan OConnell wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Herrick- Has your buddy Willy Mac also programmed on a GrandMA, and  
> more specifically has he used a GrandMA in a theatrical show? And  
> how does that compare to the Eos? I spent a little time with it at  
> LDI, but not enough to get a good feel. Although the GrandMA is  
> obviously a great live board, I've used it in theatre as well, so  
> I'm looking forward to seeing the Eos in comparison.

In my estimation, having not programmed a show on a GrandMA (yes,  
Warren...we went to our class!!!) but understanding how it works  
these are totally different animals.  I have taken to thinking of Eos  
as Obsession 3 with a huge helping of Virtuoso and Hog DNA, but at  
this point it's extremely theater-centric.  Not that the software  
can't do it or be made to do it, but the faceplate is all about  
making an obsession user productive right away, and giving them a  
serious moving light package on board rather than the <opinion> lame- 
ass </opinion> moving light sections and features that obsessions and  
strands have now.

Eos will step immediately into broadway shows and theatrical/ 
corporate/event work of that ilk with no problem.  Eos won't step  
into the other facets of the market so easily just as Obsession  
wouldn't either.  In a nutshell any place you use an obsession, or  
any place you use an obsession with a few moving lights, and even  
places where you might have just enough moving lights and technology  
that you would routinely split the movers off to another console,  
you'll be able to work with the Eos.

As for me I'll still use a Virt... :)

>
> I was also a little surprised at the Windows OS, but I can only  
> assume it's because of the rest of the ETC line and compatability  
> between them.

The ETC folks explained to me that they chose XP-Embedded for among  
other reasons some key development tools that are in place and very  
mature that they needed to take advantage of, especially on the GUI  
side.  Make no mistake it still feels like an ETC product, not some  
weird windows program.  I only ever had to get into the windows side  
to move some beta versions of fixture libraries around as we  
requested changes to a few unit profiles.

Cheers!

WM

>
> -Dyan O'Connell
>
> Southern Methodist University
> Dallas, TX
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
>> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
>> Subject: Re: ETC Eos
>> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:49:53 -0500
>>
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
>> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> At LDI they SWORE to us that the OS was locked and untouchable  
>> either on
>> purpose or by viruses....I was sorry they didn't stick with MacOS  
>> like the
>> virtuoso had.  Especially since Strand now interfaces with Mac too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/07 11:35 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
>> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> > ---------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local  
>> supplier,
>> > seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed VERY  
>> flexible
>> > and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it is not a  
>> good
>> > make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy acknowledged that  
>> it is not
>> > well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.
>> >
>> > The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some  
>> insight, it
>> > is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some
>> > graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to
>> > viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge  
>> base to
>> > know if I even have a valid question here....
>>
>> --
>> Herrick Goldman
>> Lighting Designer, NYC
>> www.HGLightingDesign.com
>> 917-797-3624
>> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in  
>> darkness and in
>> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>>
>>
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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Re: ETC Eos
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:26:47 -0800


On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At LDI they SWORE to us that the OS was locked and untouchable  
> either on
> purpose or by viruses....I was sorry they didn't stick with MacOS  
> like the
> virtuoso had.  Especially since Strand now interfaces with Mac too.

ETC has no history with Mac development, so it's not surprising to  
me.  Even though I'm no windows fan I'm sure they've worked hard to  
keep the OS hardened against any surplus code or processes.  They'd  
have to to ensure full performance at all times I'd guess.

The Virt software was a MacOS product because the company had MacOS  
development history behind them already.  As time went on various  
higher-ups at Vari-Lite>VLPS>PRG became mac-haters like all the  
rest.  Note that EX-1 is NOT a MacOS product.  It cracks me up that  
after developing a NON-MacOS media server product, they end up  
merging with a company that has M-Box, which IS a MacOS media server  
product.  Here - merge THIS!

:)

WM

>
>
>
>
> On 1/23/07 11:35 PM, "Brian James" <brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
>> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I played with one for a few hours, ETC did a demo at a local  
>> supplier,
>> seemed like quite a nice piece of hardware. Also seemed VERY flexible
>> and powerful. I would second Herrick's observation, it is not a good
>> make it up as you go board. Even the ETC guy acknowledged that it  
>> is not
>> well suited, yet, for on the go stuff.
>>
>> The one thing I am unclear of, and maybe some here has some  
>> insight, it
>> is an embedded Windows XP console, that allows you to import some
>> graphics files (custom gobo art, etc). I wonder how susceptible to
>> viruses it is????? The OS stuff is about out of my knowledge base to
>> know if I even have a valid question here....
>
> -- 
> Herrick Goldman
> Lighting Designer, NYC
> www.HGLightingDesign.com
> 917-797-3624
> "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness  
> and in
> light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS
>
>
>
>
>


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From: William McLachlan <willy [at] wmld.com>
Subject: Intros?
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 01:38:06 -0800

So, like, what's with all the intros?  Are we all introducing  
ourselves again? :)

As Herrick always reminds me - I haven't checked in on the list in a  
while.

Cheers,

WM

On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:39 AM, Brad Pattison wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http:// 
> stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Can someone please help me?
> The community theater at which I work is doing a production of  
> "Full Monty" and I need some input regarding the sign. The  
> Production Mgr./ Set Designer/Director and the Props guy decided to  
> build it out of luan and framed with 1X but no glue!! Then light it  
> with 5w x-mas lamps. So they drilled like 2,300 holes roughly 270/ 
> letter (twice the amount that they determined would be good  
> enough). I (just for kicks) decided to show them, on one letter,  
> how wonderful it would be.  What a surprise, it sucked! Then we  
> tried using higher output lamps, say 25w or 40w, to outline the  
> letters. Well that sucked too! I said regardless of whether the  
> sign is bright or just kind of bright the effect would need to be  
> supplimented with outside sources, like  par cans or scoops or  
> blinders of some nature. That is great but if the sign isn't at  
> least almost as bright as the sign they will lose the sign in the  
> other lights. Am I correct? Any suggestions on how I can save them  
> from themselves and salvage what has already been done? Maybe cover  
> every other candelabra base with a sticker and use 60w lamps?   
> Significantly more dimmers but that should have been expected.
>
> Oh yes there is one more item... The Lighting Designer had no input  
> into this design, he just gets to come in and find out how good it  
> is! I was used as a specific answer person... you know, 'if we have  
> this many lights like this how many dimmers would we use?'.  
> Completely blind to the "incidental" variables, ie; wire guage,   
> type of lamps, etc....
>
> Brad
>
>
>


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