Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41700900; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:39:36 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41700594; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:39:09 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,SARE_BAYES_5x8,SARE_BAYES_6x8,SARE_BAYES_7x8,SARE_FRAUD_10, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_XL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1111 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:37:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1111 1. Re: I know it's a little early, but...USITT get-together by Chip Wood 2. Re: I know it's a little early, but... by Steve Shelley 3. Re: #1108 by Noah Price 4. Re: Projectors by "Matt Gard" 5. Re: General Query regarding Persons of Size by "Sara Ward" 6. Re: #1108 by Pat Kight 7. Re: Introductions by Kevin Lee Allen 8. Our overseas sales office by Jerry Durand 9. Re: #1108 by Jerry Durand 10. All the Montclair students by Stan Pressner 11. Re: Intros - a response to the students by MissWisc [at] aol.com 12. Re: Projectors by Brian Aldous 13. Re: All the Montclair students by Steve Shelley 14. Re: Intros - a response to the students by "Michael Brubaker" 15. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Matt Gard" 16. Yet another intro post by Risa Strobel 17. Re: All the Montclair students by KEITH ARSENAULT 18. Re: Introductions by Kevin Lee Allen 19. Re: All the Montclair students by Kathleen McDonough 20. Re: All the Montclair students by Kevin Lee Allen 21. Re: All the Montclair students by KEITH ARSENAULT 22. Re: #1108 by Noah Price 23. Re: All the Montclair students by Kevin Lee Allen 24. Re: Introductions by Chip Wood 25. Wireless DMX/data - need some ideas by "Michael Brubaker" 26. Re: Internally threaded bolt by Rigger 27. Re: Intros by Rigger 28. Re: Introductions by Rigger 29. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Rigger 30. Re: Student introductions by Loren Schreiber 31. Re: Introductions by Rigger 32. Re: Student introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 33. Re: Introductions by Rigger 34. Re: by "Chris Rovers" 35. Re: Yet another intro post by Rigger 36. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jerry Durand 37. Re: Introductions by "Joe Saint" 38. Re: Intros by Josh Ratty 39. Re: Introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 40. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Ken Romaine" 41. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Kyler Glaze 42. Re: Student introductions by Bill Sapsis 43. Re: All the Montclair students by "Michael Diederich" 44. Re: Accommodating out-of-spec DMX receiver devices by 45. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Ken Romaine" 46. Re: Student introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 47. Re: by "Paul Schreiner" 48. Yet another introduction by "Emily Van Winkle" 49. Re: I know it's a little early, but... by "Paul Schreiner" 50. Re: All the Montclair students by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 51. Re: Introductions by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 52. Re: Internally threaded bolt by Stuart Wheaton 53. Re: Movies & PA by 54. Re: Student introductions by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 55. Re: Introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 56. Re: Yet another introduction by "Paul Schreiner" 57. Re: Introductions by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 58. Re: #1108 by Jerry Durand 59. Re: Wireless speakers by 60. Re: Introductions by MissWisc [at] aol.com 61. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jerry Durand 62. Re: Introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 63. USITT Panelists needed by "Adriane Bennett" 64. Re: Introductions by Josh Ratty 65. Re: Introductions by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 66. Re: General Query regarding Persons of Size by Scott Peterson 67. Re: Full Monty Sign by "Andy Leviss" 68. Re: Introductions by MissWisc [at] aol.com 69. Re: Student introductions by "Bill Nelson" 70. Re: Student introductions by Steve Shelley 71. Re: Student introductions by "Paul Schreiner" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <45BA563B.6070301 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: I know it's a little early, but...USITT get-together References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > > I am current not planning on going to SETC this year, but I will be at > USITT. > Since USITT will be in PHX I will also be there. Has there been any plans for a get-together? It will be a little too early for a pool party, but I will offer my house, pool, two refrigerators (to keep frosty beverages frosted) and pool table as a venue. It is about 20 mins by freeway from downtown PHX. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:33:46 -0500 Subject: Re: I know it's a little early, but... From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hear hear! No, wait. There, there! We'll be at our booth. Come find us. shelley On 1/26/07 12:54 PM, "Matt Gard" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know I haven't chimed in much, but I'll be there, and I'd love to meet > anyone on the list Face to Face. Most likely, I'll be in the Bar. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul > Schreiner > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:07 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: I know it's a little early, but... > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Looking up last year's gripple thread got me to thinking (cuz Delbert > made a few inquiries at the time about last year's conference)...anyone > have plans for SETC this spring? I'm finally getting back there after > too many years away, and we'll have a few of our students in tow...it'd > be nice to toss back a few with listers. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com> Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: #1108 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:52:13 -0800 On Jan 26, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Stefanie Christensen wrote: > I know there have been some problems with the list lately, but I > received 5 copies of this digest #1108 all in a row and all identical. Yes, #1108 got stuck and reprocessed several times. #1109 and #1110 looked okay so I think I've got it fixed -- let me know if anybody got more than one of any digest except #1108! Are you aware of other problems with the list sending or receiving messages? Other than delays delivering to Yahoo (they're going overboard deferring connections, some claim spam prevention and others claim they're overloaded) I'd like to hear when people are having difficulty receiving email. There have been some problems with some other mail servers, typically due to configuration problems or spam processing on the other server. Difficulty sending mail to the list has usually been either: * Sending HTML instead of "plain text" (see http:// stagecraft.theprices.net/nomime.html for assistance) * Replying to the digest without updating the subject line to reflect the topic you're responding to Please write to me off-list regarding any difficulty sending or receiving messages by email to stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net Thanks, Noah ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Projectors Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" A slightly more expensive/ lots more elegant approach is to use and external drive enclosure. As for the switch, I popped off the drive's faceplate and soldered zip cord to the open/close button's contacts, extended the zip cord, and put a cheap momentary switch=20 on the operator end. a word of experience: the zip cord coming from the faceplate region needs strain relief! I peeled the copper off=20 of one circuit board and had to find a new drive. also, with some=20 creative wiring, these switches can control more than one drive at=20 a time.=20 Hope it helps! Matt Gard Master Electrician Virginia Stage Company -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:42 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Projectors For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 25 Jan 2007, at 20:22, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > A computer power supply will come with a polarized 4 conductor power > connector that should match the power connector on the back of the CD > drive, and there should be a momentary switch on the face of the CD > player that you can wire a momentary switch in parallel with. Thanks Richard - and you too Jerry - for your clarification. I'll =20 have to get a power supply and put this thing together. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Sara Ward" Subject: RE: General Query regarding Persons of Size Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:14:48 -1000 In my theatre the chairs are all locked together by the arms, so if someone asks (usually a friend or relative does the asking) for a chair which can accommodate their larger companion, I seat them on the aisle and remove the aisle side arm of the chair. So far no one has been so large that they block the aisle. Sara Ward House Manager Manoa Valley Theatre >From: >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: General Query regarding Persons of Size >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:40:42 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Greetings to All! > >I have a question, while directed at Front of House and Management >types, would benefit from any input. > >Our 2600+ fixed seat Theater is starting to do more frequent >public-ticketed events and we are needing to establish a solution to >seating persons that just won't fit in our stock seats. Two "banquet >chairs" locked together in a wheelchair slot has been shot down (worried >about the manufacturer not approving their product for that use). >Fabricating something that would fit is out for the same liability >exposure consideration. > >My research on ADA has not revealed any established practice so I >beseech the collected knowledge of "the List". How do you accommodate >these patrons? Do you have access to a manufactured product? >Double-chair them? Any input would be most appreciated (before someone >books us with a Richard Simmons show!). > >Dave Dickinson >Supervisor, Linda W. Chapin Theater >Orange County Convention Center > >Note: No trees were harmed in the creation of this message but a large >number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BA61C7.80600 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:17:11 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: #1108 References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com>

In-Reply-To: Noah Price wrote: > Are you aware of other problems with the list sending or receiving > messages? Other than delays delivering to Yahoo (they're going > overboard deferring connections, some claim spam prevention and others > claim they're overloaded) I run an even bigger mailing list than this one (not theater related), and it looks to me as if Yahoo has begun rejecting anything with more than a certain number of addressees (I have no idea what their threshold is). Since mine's a newsletter and not a discussion list, I've built an RSS feed and am encouraging people to add that in case their e-mail subscription stops showing up. We also periodically deal with AoL blocking our ISP, but the support folks always get that straightened out. You might consider doing something similar with the digest version of this list, Noah; I'm beginning to sense that spam, and the efforts to fight it, are spelling doom for legitimate, opt-in mailing lists. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:19:54 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Introductions In-reply-to: Message-id: <64E86401-A924-48C3-95CA-4C193ED0732D [at] klad.com> References:

Well, I can't that say that hasn't happened to me. On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Jim Hyslop wrote: > Can I claim the excuse that there was too much blood in my caffeine > stream? ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:19:59 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Our overseas sales office Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126121623.01fd0c00 [at] interstellar.com> I was just shipping a product to one of our clients in Australia and see we're still listed as a "local" company on several sites such as: http://www.islandsonline.com.au/Directory/Things-To-Do/Australia-Things-To-Do-3.html Just as a warning to our potential Oz customers, our office down under is VERY hard to find...as it's in California (but we do ship). :) This has to be a record for low cost sales offices! -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:24:37 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: #1108 In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126122159.01fcd500 [at] interstellar.com> References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com>

At 12:17 PM 1/26/2007, Pat Kight wrote: >You might consider doing something similar with the digest version >of this list, Noah; I'm beginning to sense that spam, and the >efforts to fight it, are spelling doom for legitimate, opt-in mailing lists. People with big mailing lists should make sure to get on the SARE whitelist. That should help in a lot of places. http://www.rulesemporium.com Also a few other hints, make sure you mail from the server you claim to be mailing from, make sure that server is in your domain's SPF record and isn't blacklisted. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Stan Pressner Subject: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:35:04 -0500 I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to read the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . Now, to all you bright young things at Montclair State, may I suggest you make better use of your time and make sure you see Jan Fabre's Je Suis Sang, which is playing on your campus Saturday night and Sunday afternoon? I know that it is free for all of you, and I have been disgusted at how few of you show up for the extraordinary performances on your campus. I have been filling in for the last few months there, and cannot believe how few students show up for the world class shows that are being presented there, from Trisha Brown to Robert Lepage. I would also admonish their faculty for not requiring attendance. Best, Stan Pressner Best, Stan Pressner ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:39:54 EST Subject: Re: Intros - a response to the students mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net writes: << With all of the introductions recently, does anyone else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters Anonymous or something?? :) >> Precisely. Today is the one year anniversary of one of my IA colleagues having what I call his "melt down day". He'd been an alcoholic for some time and reached the point where he could no longer function at his job. A couple of members from this list who also know him were invaluable to me at that time with words of support for me and ideas to get help for him. I'm thrilled that he's now completed re-hab and back working. Where I understand Jim's position on all the "Hi I'm Suzy Student" postings being an annoyance, as a teacher I've often learned from my students, thus I welcome them to the list. So dear college students... a message from the heart of a "mom"... You may be majoring in theatre or underwater basket weaving now, your "major" isn't important. What IS important is that you learn to play with others - even when they are being difficult, learn to find solutions to problems as they arise, and take personal responsibility for your actions - including your own learning. Theatre classes give you an opportunity to USE what you learn in all your other classes and that will make you a better student, a better employee, and you'll have more fun too! If you're thinking of making a career of tech theatre, just know this is a VERY SMALL world and the contacts you are making via this list can make or break that career. You will also be surrounded by some of the smartest minds you could ever imagine. Use that resource well. I learn new things every week from my friends here and I've been in the industry for over 20 years. Welcome! ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <70757366-4981-49EF-8D35-F9D7C32CB3AE [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: Projectors Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:44:39 -0500 On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Mr. Shelley wrote: > > Or maybe just a wybron CXI? Where's dave mayne? > > shelley > > > On 1/26/07 10:25 AM, "Ford Sellers" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- Actually, it was the fact that I all ready had CXI's in the rig that prompted us to go the scroller route - the power supply was all ready sitting right there. However, the darkest we could get with the standard scroll (ch.1 [at] 0%, ch.2 [at] 0%) produced a dark blue, somewhere between L119 & L120. In any case, one can also see the lines between frames of color when using CXI scrollers. I've also used an iris in front of a projector, in another show. The video projector was being run as a followspot, so we had an operator right there to manually iris & douse it. It may have left a tiny dimple of light open in the middle, irises sometimes do, but I never noticed it. Perhaps a DMX iris in front of a projector might work in the FOH position described. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:56:45 -0500 Subject: Re: All the Montclair students From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Stan; You forgot the and for your last paragraph. On 1/26/07 3:35 PM, "Stan Pressner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to read > the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . > Now, to all you bright young things at Montclair State, may I > suggest you make better use of your time and make sure you see Jan > Fabre's Je Suis Sang, which is playing on your campus Saturday night > and Sunday afternoon? I know that it is free for all of you, and I > have been disgusted at how few of you show up for the extraordinary > performances on your campus. I have been filling in for the last few > months there, and cannot believe how few students show up for the > world class shows that are being presented there, from Trisha Brown > to Robert Lepage. I would also admonish their faculty for not > requiring attendance. > Best, > > Stan Pressner > > Best, > > Stan Pressner > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Intros - a response to the students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:02:36 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: HEAR HEAR! I'd like to second Kristy's statement. The longer you're in this industry, the smaller you'll find the world is. I believe, also, that just about every major, and many, many smaller entertainment companies have people that read this list regularly. And if they don't, they know someone that does. And we all hire people. Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: employee, and you'll have more fun too! If you're thinking of making a career of tech theatre, just know this is a VERY SMALL world and the contacts you are making via this list can make or break that career. You will also be surrounded by some of the smartest minds you could ever imagine. Use that resource well. I learn new things every week from my friends here and I've been in the industry for over 20 years. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: electricity to revolving stage Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:08:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" I'd love to see pics if you have them! Matt Gard Master Electrician Virginia Stage Company 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110010 = 01100100 Michael de Almeida writes: <> A few years back I built a pancake slip ring for a large turntable. It had 11 20 amp circuits and one 60 amp circuit. Conventional slip rings are built like a vertical cylinder or column divided into a number of rings stacked on top of each other. A small number of circuits can quickly add up to a lot of height. 12 circuits with neutrals and 4 grounds [at] 3/4" space needed for each conductor adds up to 21" of height without any allowance for bearings, clearance etc. That makes for a rather tall turntable. A pancake style is like a large disk divided up into discrete rings, a little like Saturn's rings. My unit had an over all height of only 5-3/4". Of course, TANSTAFL, it was almost 4' in diameter. It occupied the major portion of the center segment of the table. Commercial slip rings are indeed expensive. At the time I did this, the commercial price for a 12 circuit pancake style ring was $3400. I spent less than $700 on parts. As I was salaried, my labor was not part of the equation. A couple of things, for anything over 24 v, don't use metal on metal home made brushes. It's just not worth it. I bought commercial brush replacements for about $11and they had the proper springs for the correct pressure. They didn't arc, maintained good contact at all times, were self lubricating, etc. BTW, If you make your own slip ring and it arcs or flickers, your spring pressure is too little and/or your turn table is not running smoothly!!! With today's wide range of low voltage/high intensity light sources, incandescent and LED, low voltage would work for most applications. That is if you don't need speciffic 120vac for convential stage lights or, as in my case, the designer has a 5K fresnel built into one of the set pieces(the reason for the one 60 amp circuit!!) The second major cost was a 4' square, 1/8" thick copper plate. I cut it into a series of concentric rings separated by 1/8" plastic insulating rings. One thing I feel was a major plus about the ring design was that, like inverse casters, I inverted the brushes. By that I mean that the brushes were mounted on a plate on the floor and were stationary. The copper rings were mounted to the underside of the turntable center segment. This meant that dust, dirt etc could not build up on the surface of the rings. The wiping action of the brushes would actually clean off anything that tried to stick. I built the unit in '93, last I heard, it was still going fine, not even a brush needing replacement as yet. Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Risa Strobel Subject: Yet another intro post Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:05:09 -0800 But! I am not anyone's student; I am out of school (For the moment, anyway. I am a school junkie, and may go back.). I live in San Francisco, work overhire with a couple of the IA locals around here, mainly as an electrician, but am working at expanding my skills. I'm really just starting out professionally in this business, but I absolutely love it. Who needed someone near San Jose who was going to USITT? I fit that description. Really enjoying the list, Risa Strobel ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <65DC6223-9FD6-45B2-B997-3FBCB00D19BD [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:09:33 -0500 stan, , , I read your post with great interest, , and was nodding my head and approving of your comments as I read it. It constantly amazes me how college students who think enough of theatre / dance / music to be majoring in "pick one" often show so little interest in seeing / hearing "the real thing" or reading and staying up on the relevant news of their chosen field. I have taught as an adjunct on a number of occasions, and one of the first questions I ask is "when was the last time you read the Arts section of the New York Times?" I asked that once of a group of seniors about to graduate, and not one could recall EVER reading it. ( no we aren't in the greater metropolitan NY area , but it's has always been readily available and now with the internet it's a no brainer ) I gave them a quickie quiz, of things I would expect any actor / techie / designer to know before arriving in NY searching for their first job, and they failed miserably. How can you be that interested in "fill in the blank" and not have any degree of curiosity about the world outside of your tiny university community ? Maybe because I am not a product of that sort of educational system ( I have never had an academic course in theatre / design etc on the college OR high school level ) I just don't get it. ( for the record, , I do have degrees in arts management and music ) I could go on and on , , , , but I promised to behave on this subject once before, , , and I will refrain. keith arsenault On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Stan Pressner wrote: I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to read the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . Now, to all you bright young things at Montclair State, may I suggest you make better use of your time and make sure you see Jan Fabre's Je Suis Sang, which is playing on your campus Saturday night and Sunday afternoon? I know that it is free for all of you, and I have been disgusted at how few of you show up for the extraordinary performances on your campus. I have been filling in for the last few months there, and cannot believe how few students show up for the world class shows that are being presented there, from Trisha Brown to Robert Lepage. I would also admonish their faculty for not requiring attendance. Best, Stan Pressner Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:27:07 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Introductions In-reply-to: Message-id: <5D0B4C2E-F9B0-483D-BD8F-FB355AD51FAE [at] klad.com> References:

I can appreciate this and if I find myself back in a classroom with new students again, I'll bear this lesson in mind. On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Steven Santos wrote: > With that said, could I ask that you give the list a heads up just > before > you give your students an assignment like this? I don't think the > assignment is a bad thing (as I said, I support it), its just that > as a list > we're really not used to getting so many intros in such a short > time, and if > we don't know whats going on, it gets tiresom. I know that for me, > if I > knew it was comming in advance, I would have made a sepcific > attempt to > interact with them as individuals ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:36:16 -0500 From: Kathleen McDonough Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-reply-to: Message-id: <9DC89BD4-3BCF-4D1A-945D-A05AE1477D52 [at] klad.com> References: Stan, As one of those "bright young things" at Montclair State, I personally find I make better use of my time by attending actual MSU productions. In my opinion, I don't see any support for, or integration with, the MSU theatre department from the folks running the show at the Kasser. Therefore, I choose not to attend non MSU performances. Living a mere 15 minutes from the greatest city in the world, I have my choice of world class performances at many wonderful venues. Kathleen McDonough On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Stan Pressner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to > read the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . > Now, to all you bright young things at Montclair State, may I > suggest you make better use of your time and make sure you see Jan > Fabre's Je Suis Sang, which is playing on your campus Saturday > night and Sunday afternoon? I know that it is free for all of you, > and I have been disgusted at how few of you show up for the > extraordinary performances on your campus. I have been filling in > for the last few months there, and cannot believe how few students > show up for the world class shows that are being presented there, > from Trisha Brown to Robert Lepage. I would also admonish their > faculty for not requiring attendance. > Best, > > Stan Pressner > > Best, > > Stan Pressner > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:31:28 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-reply-to: Message-id: <4ABE3C78-6D10-4179-AA7A-249E939B87C7 [at] klad.com> References:

The reading list for this class (hand drafting) includes a comment about how everyone in theatre should be well read. "The New York Times" tops the suggested reading list. On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:09 PM, KEITH ARSENAULT wrote: > I read your post with great interest, , and was nodding my head and > approving of your comments as I read it. It constantly amazes me > how college students who think enough of theatre / dance / music > to be majoring in "pick one" often show so little interest in > seeing / hearing "the real thing" or reading and staying up on the > relevant news of their chosen field. I have taught as an adjunct > on a number of occasions, and one of the first questions I ask is > "when was the last time you read the Arts section of the New York > Times?" I asked that once of a group of seniors about to graduate, > and not one could recall EVER reading it. ( no we aren't in the > greater metropolitan NY area , but it's has always been readily > available and now with the internet it's a no brainer ) I gave > them a quickie quiz, of things I would expect any actor / techie / > designer to know before arriving in NY searching for their first > job, and they failed miserably. How can you be that interested in > "fill in the blank" and not have any degree of curiosity about the > world outside of your tiny university community ? ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:32:40 -0500 G R E A T ! On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Lee Allen wrote: The reading list for this class (hand drafting) includes a comment about how everyone in theatre should be well read. "The New York Times" tops the suggested reading list. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com>

Message-Id: <6DED2369-C926-4A76-ABDE-442144B479BB [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: #1108 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:34:37 -0800 On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Pat Kight wrote: > Noah Price wrote: > >> Are you aware of other problems with the list sending or >> receiving messages? Other than delays delivering to Yahoo >> (they're going overboard deferring connections, some claim spam >> prevention and others claim they're overloaded) > > I run an even bigger mailing list than this one (not theater > related), and it looks to me as if Yahoo has begun rejecting > anything with more than a certain number of addressees (I have no > idea what their threshold is). ... Yes, I ran into that earlier too. The limit appears to be somewhere between 50 and 100, probably at the lower end. For digests I send messages individually, but Yahoo is deferring single recipients about as much as multiple recipients. Sometimes I route Yahoo mail through a different mail server to help calm their message counts. > We also periodically deal with AoL blocking our ISP, but the > support folks always get that straightened out. AOL has gotten better, now they only delay connections if there have been a number of spam reports. I'm on their feedback loop which alerts me to spam reports by their members. Oddly, the digest gets reported as spam fairly regularly (at least once or twice a month), but individual messages rarely do. On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Jerry Durand wrote: > People with big mailing lists should make sure to get on the SARE > whitelist. That should help in a lot of places. > http://www.rulesemporium.com Ah, that's a good idea... I'll have to write to Chris. Thanks, Noah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:44:09 -0500 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-reply-to: Message-id: <6819C39E-A64D-4BFC-AC0D-669A0A93FBEC [at] klad.com> References: Stan, I require the students to attend and plan to have discussions about all the Department of Theatre & Dance productions during the course of the semester. I am offering extra credit for seeing (among other things) Shakespeare produced at the American Globe Theatre in Manhattan. Full disclosure, I serve on the AGT Board. On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Stan Pressner wrote: > I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to > read the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . > Now, to all you bright young things at Montclair State, may I > suggest you make better use of your time and make sure you see Jan > Fabre's Je Suis Sang, which is playing on your campus Saturday > night and Sunday afternoon? I know that it is free for all of you, > and I have been disgusted at how few of you show up for the > extraordinary performances on your campus. I have been filling in > for the last few months there, and cannot believe how few students > show up for the world class shows that are being presented there, > from Trisha Brown to Robert Lepage. I would also admonish their > faculty for not requiring attendance. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BA781D.7030701 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:52:29 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Introductions References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: "Introduction: Fubar University Knitting for the Theatre Class" They didn't offer that one when I was in school. Chip ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: Wireless DMX/data - need some ideas Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: So I've got a challenge. I need some solutions to get data--DMX or straight ethernet, does not matter, really--to 10-14 scattered locations that are on about a 3 mile radius. I presume that there are some "off the shelf" technologies out there that can accomplish this, but I don't know what they are. The receiving end accepts DMX over CAT5 but does not itself have a wireless receiver. Any thoughts? Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Internally threaded bolt At 10:44 PM -0500 1/25/07, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >Jared Fortney wrote: > >> Anyone know where I could find a bolt with internal threads instead of >> external threads? Basically I want a hollow tube, threaded on the >> inside, with a head on one end. Any ideas? > >Jared, > >You don't mention the size you need, so... > >Standoffs or spacers for electronics stuff, maybe up to 10-24 or so... >'Sex Bolts" used in furniture and the like, 1/4" & maybe 5/16" >Coupling nuts, Turn down the hex on the rest of the barrel? I have >a small metal lathe, if you only need a few I'd be happy to send >them off as long as these are not for hanging people over tanks of >sharks. Depending on what size is needed, the autosound industry used to use something like that for installing car stereos, where the nosepiece of the in-dash unit wouldn't be able to protrude through the dash panel. They'd thread onto the control shafts of the unit, in place of the conventional flat nut used when the unit could protrude enough to clear the shafts... We used to call 'em "reach nuts;" I'm not sure if they even have an official name, or if so, what it might be. They'd be summat like 7/16" or 1/2" *fine* thread, and be anywhere from 1/4" to 3/4" deep. If you have a local autosound shop that installs, maybe they have what you need. It's a thought, anyway... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:59:54 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Intros At 9:53 PM -0800 1/25/07, Michael Heinicke wrote: >With all of the introductions recently, does anyone >else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters >Anonymous or something?? :) Hi, I'm Dave.... ["Hi, Dave"] ...And I'm a Rigaholic. -- Dave Vick 20/20 Design rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:01:41 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions At 12:04 AM -0600 1/26/07, Kyler Glaze wrote: > In the few months I've been lurking on the list I'd have to > say Dave Vick's saying a couple of days ago had to have been > the funniest thing I've seen thus far. "I'd rather have a > daughter in a whorehouse than a son in sound reinforcement." > Brilliant. Uhh, it was an accident. The sun was in my eyes. Yeah, that's it. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Jumping is easy and falling is fun... Right up 'til you hit the sidewalk, shivering and stunned" --Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:06:21 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage At 8:43 AM -0500 1/26/07, Kh97925 [at] aol.com wrote: >I'm new to the list (not an introduction, just pointing it out) but even >with wireless dimming don't you still need to get power to the dimmer? The one's I've seen and played with were driven by what basically amounted to conventional AGM-type motorcycle batteries. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Surely we were all just ignorant, hairy monkeys until Google came into being." --Andrew Duthie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070126135342.023b1aa8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:10:45 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Student introductions In-Reply-To: References: This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between me and Frank Wood alone there is like a thousand years of theatrical experience. (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw in the Sapses (plural of Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon, etc., etc., etc., and the years of experience goes exponential or maybe quantum! :-) So why wouldn't a teacher want to offer this list as a resource? I prefer cluttering my in-box with student introductions to lurkers who never participate. Sometimes it's that first note to the list that is the hardest. I think it's a cool way to break the ice. I've been reading and contributing to this list for, I think, 12 years, thereabouts. It is probably the *best* resource for quick and accurate answers to tough questions and a great way to meet our colleagues around the world. The more the merrier, I say! Loren "Grits" Schreiber Technical Director, San Diego State University Long Reach Long Rider "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:21:25 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions At 10:10 AM -0500 1/26/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >There's a lot to be said for the feeling of "I don't wanna make a >fool of myself by asking a stupid question." Paul, I sincerely hope both you and Kevin are teaching your students the following, or some variant thereof, when it comes to this mail list: A.) None of us in the Big Leagues was born knowing that we know now 2.) There *is* such a thing as a stupid question, but what makes a question "stupid" is not availing yourself of the opportunity to ask it and III.) Much of the time even the seemingly-easiest of queries can spark a lively discussion here, that reveals heretofore-unknown ideas. So we Aulde Phartes often can learn a trick or two from the students, at least tangentially... So go'head, yo; don't be shy. Introduce yourselves and ask away! That's how most of us got to the professional levels that we're at now - by asking "stupid" questions. (p.s. lemme know when i need to whip out the Paddlefoot Rant with respect to the list being like a stagehands' tavern...) -- Dave Vick IATSE #274 rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design, installing for Secoa "Coming soon to a theatre near you!" "How does the theatre know where I am?" ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:27:29 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC81 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between me=20 > and Frank Wood alone there is like a thousand years of=20 > theatrical experience. (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw=20 > in the Sapses (plural of Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon,=20 > etc., etc., etc., and the years of experience goes=20 > exponential or maybe quantum! :-) I won't ask which Paul, as there are a couple of us with that name who are regulars. I'll just blush and be content in my own little delusions... :) FWIW, this is year number 10 for me on the list. About four real jobs ago... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:26:10 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com At 10:47 AM -0500 1/26/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> My suggestion, to teacher-types who might consider such >> assignments in the future, > >Oh, and you might warn them that the absolute certainty with which some >members state their beliefs is sometimes inversely proportional to their >accuracy.... [*FOON!*] Would someone please pass the screen-cleaner? (diet rite cola through the sinuses stings a bit, i'm here to tell ya) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find it to be an inconvenience. We have opted instead for an authoritarian system disguised as a Democracy. We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a- government, let it push us around, and then wonder how all those assholes got in there." --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:33:34 -0500 From: "Chris Rovers" Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: References:

Oh, it should work fine - she oughta be on the ball. And worse comes to worst, she can get by on a wing and a prayer -cdr On 1/26/07, Chip Wood wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sara Rechnitzer wrote: > > > > I am a senior basketball player/religious studies major > > > Now there's a combination you rarely see backstage. > > Chip > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:37:50 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Yet another intro post At 1:05 PM -0800 1/26/07, Risa Strobel wrote: > I live in San Francisco, work overhire with a couple of the IA > locals around here, mainly as an electrician, but am working > at expanding my skills. If you run into a large guy named Scott Shonk, who mainly works film for Local 17, tell him I said hi. He started out here with me in Michigan (Local 274), and I haven't seen him since I was in the Orpheum for five weeks with 'Aida', back in '01. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:43:00 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126142910.01f45ba0 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 01:08 PM 1/26/2007, Matt Gard wrote: >01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 >01110010 01100100 "\x63\x75\x74\x65\x21\r\n" -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "Joe Saint" References:

Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <017301c7419b$edb5f610$640fa8c0 [at] D3G47461> In-Reply-To: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Rigger Paul, I sincerely hope both you and Kevin are teaching your students the following, or some variant thereof, when it comes to this mail list: A.) None of us in the Big Leagues was born knowing that we know now 2.) There *is* such a thing as a stupid question, but what makes a question "stupid" is not availing yourself of the opportunity to ask it and III.) Much of the time even the seemingly-easiest of queries can spark a lively discussion here, that reveals heretofore-unknown ideas. So we Aulde Phartes often can learn a trick or two from the students, at least tangentially... _________________ I would add: FOUR.) When it comes to theatre design, there are few rules. "Don't fall off the stage" (source: David Segal) is a good one. Otherwise, much of what it on this list is the opinions of those who write it. Many times questions will be posed which yield many answers. Some of those answers will be viable or equally correct. Many will be off-base. "Your mileage may vary" is a good summary to most design-related posts. "The fact is" rarely is. (Now when discussing safety or certain technical issues, such as rigging, there are many more rules and right and wrong answers.) Joe Joe Saint President IMCD Lighting 646-415-7588 www.imcdlighting.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:57:50 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Intros In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <009201c7419d$67d3c070$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> At 9:53 PM -0800 1/25/07, Michael Heinicke wrote: >With all of the introductions recently, does anyone >else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters >Anonymous or something?? :) Hi, my name is Josh and I'm a recovering stagehand. No really, this is the third time I've left the business , we'll see how long it lasts this time. I do stay on this list however because it is still a great resource, and often times pretty darn entertaining. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:13:21 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Introductions In-Reply-To: References:

(Reposted almost in its entirety cuz it's a good list...hint, hint) > Paul, I sincerely hope both you and Kevin are teaching your students > the following, or some variant thereof, when it comes to this mail > list: > > A.) None of us in the Big Leagues was born knowing that we know now > > 2.) There *is* such a thing as a stupid question, but what makes a > question "stupid" is not availing yourself of the opportunity to ask > it > > and > > III.) Much of the time even the seemingly-easiest of queries can > spark a lively discussion here, that reveals heretofore-unknown > ideas. So we Aulde Phartes often can learn a trick or two from the > students, at least tangentially... > _________________ > > I would add: > > FOUR.) When it comes to theatre design, there are few rules. "Don't fall > off the stage" (source: David Segal) is a good one. Otherwise, much of > what it on this list is the opinions of those who write it. Many times > questions will be posed which yield many answers. Some of those answers > will be viable or equally correct. Many will be off-base. "Your mileage > may vary" is a good summary to most design-related posts. "The fact is" > rarely is. Actually, the first rule about my class that I try to pound in with the proverbial 2x4 is that generally all the "universal" statements I make ("when you have this issue, you wanna do so-and-so") always have exceptions. The second one is about the difference between "fear", "discomfort", and "gut instinct" regarding tool safety. Refer to some earlier threads from that one lawsuit for my thoughts on that if you want a refresher. The list is an invaluable teaching tool. For example, waaaay back when, I first heard of "Sing Faster" from someone here (maybe Kristi?), and it's been a staple ever since I started teaching. We always start off the semester with a showing of that, just to give the kids a feel for the "gestalt" (I love that word) of stagecraft...though every time I have to translate "super giants to stage right, please" from opera-ish to English. There's always some synchronicity between one or two threads and what we're doing over the course of the semester, and it's great to be able to reflect on questions I might ask here and their responses in class before actually trying something or other. > (Now when discussing safety or certain technical issues, such as rigging, > there are many more rules and right and wrong answers.) Agreed, which is why that statement I mentioned earlier about "universals" always includes the caveat, "including this one". ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:19:28 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-Reply-To: References:

Nope... "Matt Gard" OK, I admit it, I cheated. I went to http://tinyurl.com/3uk4h and entered the binary. Least I knew it looked like ASCII. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/26/07, Jerry Durand wrote: > > At 01:08 PM 1/26/2007, Matt Gard wrote: > >01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 > >01110010 01100100 > > "\x63\x75\x74\x65\x21\r\n" > -- > Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BA9013.4010600 [at] kylerglaze.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:34:43 -0600 From: Kyler Glaze Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References:

In-Reply-To: Actually, Jerry's response was in hexadecimal... it said "cute!" Ken Romaine wrote: > Nope... -- Kyler Glaze kyler [at] kylerglaze.com Treasurer/Webmaster USITT [at] UTA http://www.usittuta.org/ Webmaster UTA Dept. of Theatre Arts http://www.uta.edu/theatre/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:38:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Student introductions From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/26/07 5:27 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between me > and Frank Wood alone there is like a thousand years of > theatrical experience. (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw > in the Sapses (plural of Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon, > etc., etc., etc., and the years of experience goes > exponential or maybe quantum! :-) Thanks for including me in that august body. But I should point out that the plural of Sapsis is Sapsi. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References:

From: "Michael Diederich" >>>> It constantly amazes me how =20 college students who think enough of theatre / dance / music to be =20 majoring in "pick one" often show so little interest in seeing / =20 hearing "the real thing"<<<< Tell me about!! I have had a few theatre program majors (acting "majors") tell me they are not going to audition this semester. I said, "Great see you backstage!" They laughed and walked away. Get them to outside events?!? I can't even get them into ones they are supposed to WANT to be involved IN! Mike Diederich ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Accommodating out-of-spec DMX receiver devices Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:49:21 +0000 Message-Id: <20070126234921.GOVT26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bruce Purdy > Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 11:05:29 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Accommodating out-of-spec DMX receiver devices > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 25 Jan 2007, at 13:46, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > > > Call me a grumpy old sod if you will > > OK, You're a grumpy old sod. > A lot of equipment is out there that for one reason or another is > "Out of spec." Are you saying that a manufacturer of controllers > should not try to accommodate customers that happen to own such > equipment? If you are willing to tell potential customers to fry ice > - that if your controller doesn't work for them, that it's their own > fault for owning the wrong dimmer racks - you won't stay in business > for long! Essentially, yes, that is what I am saying. If my customer wants a one-off product to cope with his particular problem, I am prepared to make one. But the extra design and investigation time will be at his expense, not mine. The whole point of a standard such as DMX is to make all the gear compatible, and manufacturer independant. John Doe's DMX controller and Richard Roe's device should interface with no problems, if they conform to the standard. I have spent too much of my career bodging bits of equipment together, on almost, but not quite compatible interfaces, to condone it now that I have retired. You would not believe how many ways there are of getting 16mm "Sepmag" (16mm sprocketed tape) machines to run up in absolute synchronism with a film projector in a film dubbing suite. Mechanical, electro-mechanical, straightforward electrical, electronic: depending on the age of the installation and its supplier, we had them all. Most with their handbooks in German and unfamiliar drawing conventions. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:52:09 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-Reply-To: References:

Silly me. Thanx! Ken On 1/26/07, Kyler Glaze wrote: > > Actually, Jerry's response was in hexadecimal... it said "cute!" > > > Ken Romaine wrote: > > Nope... > -- > > Kyler Glaze > kyler [at] kylerglaze.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC94 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > On 1/26/07 5:27 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: >=20 > > This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between=20 > me and Frank=20 > > Wood alone there is like a thousand years of theatrical experience.=20 > > (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw in the Sapses (plural of=20 > > Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon, etc., etc., etc., and=20 > the years of=20 > > experience goes exponential or maybe quantum! :-) >=20 > Thanks for including me in that august body. But I should=20 > point out that the plural of Sapsis is Sapsi. And thank you, Bill, for reminding me of one thing I've forgotten to mention to my students about posting...making sure that the person your email program attributes a quote to is the one who actually said it. (Loren wrote that, not me.) ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC95 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Oh, it should work fine - she oughta be on the ball. And=20 > worse comes to worst, she can get by on a wing and a prayer ...and Chris Rovers FTW in the annual "worst puns by a poster" contest. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <159f053a0701261556l9ce37e8l2550626d9fb54562 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:56:28 -0600 From: "Emily Van Winkle" Subject: Yet another introduction Hi all, I'm Emily, a junior theatre major at the University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire. I've been lurking on this list for a while, and was going to introduce myself, but I got sort of scared when the whole conversations of "don't do the introduction posts" came about. I'm thinking I want to go into lighting design, but enjoy doing other backstage jobs as well. My high school didn't have a theatre in the building, so we traveled to a newly-built roadhouse beginning in 2002. That is where I really figured out that I wanted to go into theatre for the rest of my life. I got to know the TD quite well, and he encouraged me to learn more about the field, so here I am. I was told this list is a great resource, and I can definitely see how that is true, and I haven't been on the list for long. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can from the people on this list as well as making potential networking contacts! Emily ------------------------------ Subject: RE: I know it's a little early, but... Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC96 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > We'll be at our booth. Come find us. K...as plans have it now, I'll be at SETC Thursday-Saturday. So maybe a Friday night get-together is in order. Though I'm sure if we can locate each other beforehand, there'll be some informal glass-raising earlier. We've got button-making capabilities...maybe I'll put together a couple dozen buttons for listers to identify each other with. Who (among the booth people) would wanna volunteer to be the collection point for them? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: <015401c741a6$250b1b90$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: If someone has the chance to see world-class artists such as Tricia = Brown for FREE and declines on the basis of a grievance -- however valid -- = with the theatre management, that would seem to be the very definition of = cutting off your nose to spite your face. Oh, and Montclair students.... I live in Secaucus and pass by Montclair frequently en route to the = various Jersey theatres for which I work; would you guys mind driving a little = more courteously on Routes 3 and 46? My dog and I thank you. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:01:49 -0500 Message-ID: <015501c741a6$57ee4c80$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > FOUR.) When it comes to theatre design V. There are many "right" ways. The only "wrong" ways are those which are unsafe, illegal, or unethical. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BA99D4.2060109 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:16:20 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Internally threaded bolt References:

In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: >> some raw stock and make 'em for you...(same rules about shark tanks...) >> >> You bailed me out a few years ago, If I can help, let me know... >> > > > What were you doing in a shark tank?? On the project I'm thinking of, a shark tank would have been a happy place to be. I kept flashing back to the end of _R&G are Dead_, "There must have been a moment when we could have said "NO"" "Somehow, we missed it" 'Nuff said, and I don't want to think about it ever again. Stuart ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Movies & PA Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 0:02:55 +0000 Message-Id: <20070127000255.SVWG17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bruce Purdy > Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 11:14:38 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Movies & PA > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 25 Jan 2007, at 13:43, Ed Hills wrote: > > > So I need to share my PA with a movie sound system. > > I think I'll be doing this on the line side of things. > > The question is.. > > Should I use some kind of arrangement of double pole switches or > > make a > > small xlr patch bay. > > I can't speak to which is better, but I have to wonder about your > system. Switches can put clicks, thumps and bangs into the works, unless in a carefully designed environment. XLR connectors are a big no-no. By far the best connector is the 'B' gauge telephone jack. Apart from being compact (1/4" diameter), they have reliable auxiliary contact sets available. This means that your most frequent application can happen with no cross-plugging. > > In my venue, there is a separate amp rack for movies from the one > for live events. Both systems share the same speakers though, which > are on casters. For live events I put them on the corners of the > apron and plug them in to the jacks connected to the "Live" amp rack. > For movies, I roll them behind the screen and plug them into jacks on > the US wall, which are connected to the amp rack in the booth. This seems extravagant, but I agree with re-locating the speakers. > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:02:33 -0500 Message-ID: <015601c741a6$727930b0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > But I should > point out that the plural of Sapsis is Sapsi. ...As if one weren't enough. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC9A [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > "Introduction: Fubar University Knitting for the Theatre Class" I may actually use that, verbatim...but then my students'll think I'm even more cracked than my reputation has it. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Yet another introduction Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC9B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I was told this list is a great resource, and I can=20 > definitely see how that is true, and I haven't been on the=20 > list for long. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I=20 > can from the people on this list as well as making potential=20 > networking contacts! Welcome aboard. Here's hoping you (and everyone else who's been doing the introduction thing) sticks around for a good long time... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:37 GMT Subject: Re: Introductions Message-Id: <20070126.161143.15735.1089067 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> And I would add to the list below: = FIVE: There is also a place on this list for folks like Doom and = myself who are involved in the aftermath when things go very wrong. /s/ Richard __________________________ (Reposted almost in its entirety cuz it's a good list...hint, hint) > Paul, I sincerely hope both you and Kevin are teaching your students > the following, or some variant thereof, when it comes to this mail > list: > > A.) None of us in the Big Leagues was born knowing that we know now > > 2.) There *is* such a thing as a stupid question, but what makes a > question "stupid" is not availing yourself of the opportunity to ask > it > > and > > III.) Much of the time even the seemingly-easiest of queries can > spark a lively discussion here, that reveals heretofore-unknown > ideas. So we Aulde Phartes often can learn a trick or two from the > students, at least tangentially... > _________________ > > I would add: > > FOUR.) When it comes to theatre design, there are few = rules. "Don't fall off the stage" (source: David Segal) is a good = one. Otherwise, much of what it on this list is the opinions of = those who write it. Many times questions will be posed which yield = many answers. Some of those answers will be viable or equally = correct. Many will be off-base. "Your mileage may vary" is a good = summary to most design-related posts. "The fact is" rarely is. > (Now when discussing safety or certain technical issues, such as = rigging, there are many more rules and right and wrong answers.) Agreed, which is why that statement I mentioned earlier about "universals" always includes the caveat, "including this one". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:14:52 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: #1108 In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126161327.01f1ad78 [at] interstellar.com> References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com>

At 01:34 PM 1/26/2007, Noah Price wrote: >>People with big mailing lists should make sure to get on the SARE >>whitelist. That should help in a lot of places. >>http://www.rulesemporium.com > >Ah, that's a good idea... I'll have to write to Chris. Funny thing, it turns out the SARE mailing list wasn't on the SARE white list! So, we start discussing spam and our messages start getting marked as junk. That's being fixed now, if it hasn't already. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Wireless speakers Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 0:15:57 +0000 Message-Id: <20070127001557.LDXX29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: jonares [at] hevanet.com > Date: 2007/01/26 Fri AM 12:59:22 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Wireless speakers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > dooe was far too expediant to try to change things. Where are you > that the > > doorbell is remoted from the door by a large margin. Are you living in a > > house too big to hear the bell from the lounge? Yes, both in England and in France. The problems are stairs. In England, our sitting room is on the first floor, and in France in Summer we are mostly on the roof terrace, on the second floor. More centrally placed "ringers" are an advantage; running the cables is a problem. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:19:15 EST Subject: Re: Introductions IIRC Dave Vick has no children (or none that DNA have proven to be his) thus we can be certain that his "daughter" will never ply her trade in a house of ill repute. That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what I do per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have far better health coverage. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:21:33 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070126162059.01f0b868 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 03:19 PM 1/26/2007, Ken Romaine wrote: >Nope... > >"Matt Gard" I meant his signature was "\x63\x75\x74\x65\x21\r\n" -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC9E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what=20 > I do per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have=20 > far better health coverage.=20 Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. (C'mon, all y'all were thinking the same thing.) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45BA4872.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:29:01 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: USITT Panelists needed Hello All, I am soliciting help for joining a panel for this year's USITT Conference in Phoenix. The session is a two-parter, the first section being a theatrical "Mythbusters". I'm doing some research on some myths we run into primarily in the scene shop and presenting the information. A light-hearted, but scientific look as some common "myths". The second part of the session is the time-honored "Stump the TD" panel. I'm hoping to have 3-4 panelist you feel up to the challenge of fielding questions from our audience. Think you've got what it takes to face your colleagues with your back pocket of possibilities? Got any good myths you've already de-bunked or proven? I invite you to email me soon so we can get your info into the conference people. Thank you, Adriane Bennett Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) aab0002 [at] auburn.edu Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:34:12 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Introductions In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <009301c741aa$dddd92c0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Introductions > That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what > I do per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have > far better health coverage. Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. (C'mon, all y'all were thinking the same thing.) There are times when the lines of work don't seem so different. Kinda makes you feel like you're the one gettin' screwed. Ironic, no? Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <016301c741ab$720e2090$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what > > I do per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have > > far better health coverage. > > Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. > > (C'mon, all y'all were thinking the same thing.) Actually, I was wondering how to respectfully ask Kristi how she...er...knows this.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <32648279.1169858386649.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:39:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Scott Peterson Reply-To: Scott Peterson Subject: Re: General Query regarding Persons of Size Hello, A few years ago, we had all 1100 seats refurbished and re-upholstered. At that time, the seating contractor modified about 24 of our aisle seats so the armrest hinged out and back to make the seat wider. This was definatly NOT the best option, but we didn't get much of a choice. Almost every hinge has had to be re-welded multiple times in the last 4 years. They're really weak in a vertical orientation. Luckily the school district also bought a maintenance contract with the seating vendor... Some of the armrests are bolted shut right now, until the vendor can come out and fix them again... We also have stackable/gangable chairs available for patrons that are uncomfortable in the fixed seats. These chairs can be placed in front of Row A or in the rear of the house in the wheelchair seating areas. Our house has seats in various widths scattered around, something like 18", 20", 22" and 24". Our House Manager and ushers try their best to direct larger patrons away from the narrow seats in the front of the sections, most are understanding, some people just don't get it... -Scott Scott Peterson Technical Director - Highlander Auditorium Upland Unified School District scott [at] highlanderauditorium.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1589.69.203.216.247.1169859653.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:00:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Full Monty Sign From: "Andy Leviss" Regarding said sign, Cris Dopher wrote: > Damn. Forgot to mention that it was clear R-40s used on b-way, IIRC. When I was on the tour, we had the duplicate sign that was built for the Tony performance, which as far as I know was an exact copy. It had a mix of R40s and C7s; the C7s were programmed to chase throughout the end of the song*, and then on the final note they and the R40s would punch up to 100%. That bastard was damned bright, I'll tell ya. (I'm not 100% that they were C7s, being as I'm just a humhead, but I'm pretty sure. It may just be that my year with "Sesame Street Live" has ingrained C7s in my head; Vee loves those frickin' things.) My favorite story of that tour was one of the early cities we played (it was either during previews in Evansville or opening week in Indianapolis, I can't remember which), where an older woman in the audience was seen donning a welding mask right before the last moment, in hopes its light shielding properties would help make the ending a bit more exciting. A for effort, F for understanding the concept of a silhouette effect. --Andy http://OneFromTheRoad.com *-It looked cool, but if you want the ultimate cheese in blinky lights, you still can't beat the chasing teeth in the Herod sign from the JCS revival a few years back. (For those who didn't see it, first, be thankful, it was a visually intriguing presentation, but the only decent singer in the show was Judas; seriously, if Jesus can't hit the high notes in "Gethsemane" and even to sing the not-as-high parts he's got to shift it down a step or three.... Anyway, Herod made his entrance through a light up archway in the shape of a mouth, above which were huge letters spelling out his name. Vegas scmaltz, to the extreme. Almost lost it when the individual teeth started chasing!) ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:03:16 EST Subject: Re: Introductions stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << Actually, I was wondering how to respectfully ask Kristi how she...er...knows this.... >> Oh Jeff, we're all friends here... I read it on the internet! _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada) My hubby is on tour in Reno. And no, he's not availing himself of the opportunity. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4932.205.215.253.41.1169859952.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:05:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Student introductions From: "Bill Nelson" > This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between me and > Frank Wood alone there is like a thousand years of theatrical > experience. (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw in the Sapses > (plural of Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon, etc., etc., etc., and > the years of experience goes exponential or maybe quantum! :-) Yeah. Some of us have been around since about the time they replaced salt water dimmers with rheostats. It is rumored that a couple of the really old pharts have been around before electricity. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:19:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Student introductions From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Right. Like one rabbit, two rabbits, three rabbi? On 1/26/07 6:38 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 1/26/07 5:27 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > >> This list is such an incredible resource. I mean, between me >> and Frank Wood alone there is like a thousand years of >> theatrical experience. (My share is only 37 of those.) Throw >> in the Sapses (plural of Sapsis), Charlie, Paul, Steve, Jon, >> etc., etc., etc., and the years of experience goes >> exponential or maybe quantum! :-) > > Thanks for including me in that august body. But I should point out that > the plural of Sapsis is Sapsi. > > Thanks > Bill S. > > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FC9F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Yeah. Some of us have been around since about the time they=20 > replaced salt water dimmers with rheostats. It is rumored=20 > that a couple of the really old pharts have been around=20 > before electricity. I'm not quite that auld, but I do recall learning how to send MIDI and DMX signals in college with an abacus. ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1111 ******************************