Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41713598; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:03:12 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41713074; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:02:25 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS, SARE_BAYES_5x8,SARE_BAYES_6x8,SARE_BAYES_7x8,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1112 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:01:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1112 1. Re: All the Montclair students by "Bill Nelson" 2. Re: #1108 by Rigger 3. (WOB) Of interest to the riggers. by Dale Farmer 4. Re: Introductions by Rigger 5. Re: Projectors by "Occy" 6. Re: Intros by Stuart Wheaton 7. Re: Yet Another Intro post by Risa Strobel 8. Tape Shader by joreth [at] techie.com 9. Re: General Query regarding Persons of Size by "Occy" 10. Re: Tape Shader by Rigger 11. Re: Yet Another Intro post by Rigger 12. Re: Introductions by "Bill Nelson" 13. Re: Introductions by "Occy" 14. Re: Introductions by Rigger 15. Re: Introductions by "Bill Nelson" 16. Re: Introductions by "Bill Nelson" 17. Re: Keystone formula by "Laura McMeley" 18. Re: Introductions by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 19. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Bill Nelson" 20. Re: Full Monty Sign by Eddie Kramer 21. Re: Introductions by Rigger 22. Re: Tape Shader by "Occy" 23. Re: I know it's a little early, but... by gregg hillmar 24. Re: Stomp the TDs by Loren Schreiber 25. Re: Stomp the TDs by Rigger 26. Re: Introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 27. Re: Intros - a response to the students by "Michael Powers" 28. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student by Jim Hyslop 29. Re: Movies & PA by "Andy Leviss" 30. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Bill Sapsis 31. 50 /50 splitRe: Introductions by "Rob Riddle" 32. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jim Hyslop 33. Re: All the Montclair students by "Don Taco" 34. Flying people by Lauren Samuelsen 35. Re: All the Montclair students by Jim Hyslop 36. Re: USITT Panelists needed by "Adriane Bennett" 37. Re: Student introductions by Jim Hyslop 38. Cage Match? by CB 39. Re: Intros by "RD" 40. Re: Flying people by "Paul Schreiner" 41. Re: Intros by "Paul Schreiner" 42. And yet another introduction from a bumbling college by b Ricie 43. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college by "Paul Schreiner" 44. Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college by "Adriane Bennett" 45. Re: Flying people by "RD" 46. Re: Flying people by "RD" 47. Re: Wireless speakers by CB 48. Re: Flying people by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 49. Re: Flying people by Jim Hyslop 50. Re: All the Montclair students by Jim Hyslop 51. Re: Flying people by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 52. Re: Flying people by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 53. Re: **JUNK** Re: Flying people by Jim Hyslop 54. SETC's and summer work by Steve Shelley 55. Re: Flying people by "RD" 56. Re: Introductions by "Katrina Wiechmann" 57. Re: All the Montclair students by "Katrina Wiechmann" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <4958.205.215.253.41.1169861458.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:30:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: All the Montclair students From: "Bill Nelson" > I think it is wonderful that their teacher has assigned them to read > the list, but I also find the intro's unnecessary . Unnecessary, certainly. But I enjoy them. They are a break from arguing about wild legs on a three phase power distribution system - or similar topics that can get beat to death here. And when students introduces themselves, they break that initial "afraid to post and make a fool of myself" barrier - thus becoming more likely to participate in and contribute to the various discussions. I personally, would rather see a person participate here, rather than just sit back and lurk. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <55EB517A-0B4F-41E1-8B8D-D23F0F0F619D [at] charlestonstage.com>

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:34:01 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: #1108 At 4:14 PM -0800 1/26/07, Jerry Durand wrote: >Funny thing, it turns out the SARE mailing list wasn't on >the SARE white list! So, we start discussing spam and our >messages start getting marked as junk. And they say Americans have no sense of irony... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I've been working on accepting my inner scumbag. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAACBE.7050101 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:37:02 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: (WOB) Of interest to the riggers. http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=31 They also have all sorts of other nifty, hard to find, and sometimes useful automotive products. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:37:50 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions At 7:19 PM -0500 1/26/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > IIRC Dave Vick has no children (or none that DNA have proven to be his) None that I'll admit to, anyway. > thus we can be certain that his "daughter" will never ply her trade > in a house of ill repute. T'was a statment of personal preference, not career goals. > That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what I do > per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have far better > health coverage. Do I want to know why you know this, Kristi? No, I think not... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Projectors Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:48:19 -0800 Or use ColorFaders by MORPHEUS 2-3 scrolls in one scroller with a lot of holes in the frames to mix colors, Change the color out to ND no "cuts" between frames. ----- Original Message ----- > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here's a thought on the Color scroller Idea... > If you had 2, with opposing colors (red/green?), in progressive > saturation, running in opposite directions (on could be backwards so > that you could patch them to the same channel. > > Of course, that does defeat the "Cheap" aspect... Ah well. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAB2A4.5060100 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:02:12 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Intros References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > With all of the introductions recently, does anyone > else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters > Anonymous or something?? :) Hi my name is Stuart, It has been 6 years since I have done theatre, all I do anymore is weld and wire scenery for cruise ships, which is extremely lucrative and technically challenging, but a bit soul destroying. If I could find the time, I'd TD a Miller play for free just to do something that says ANYTHING about the Human Condition. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5b8b3d1a63a35aecf6b5d0a8e05b641c [at] mac.com> From: Risa Strobel Subject: Re: Yet Another Intro post Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:00:31 -0800 Will do. I don't really get over into film stuff, but I'm sure I'll run into him sooner or later. This city is really small. Risa PS: The SF Local is 16. Local 17 is is Louisville, KY. > If you run into a large guy named Scott Shonk, who mainly works film > for Local 17, tell him I said hi. He started out here with me in > Michigan (Local 274), and I haven't seen him since I was in the > Orpheum for five weeks with 'Aida', back in '01. > ------------------------------ From: joreth [at] techie.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:00:30 -0500 Subject: Tape Shader Message-Id: <20070127020031.0E92B83985 [at] ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> I have been a video and lighting tech for many years, and I'm a pretty good= one, but one of my major failings is that I have a hard time remembering "= terms". If you had me a piece of equipment, I know how to use it, I will e= ither recognize it as one I've used before or I'll figure it out in a few m= inutes. I'm very good with equipment. To quote one of my favorite TV show= s "Machines just got workins and they speak to me". But if you ask me if I= 've ever used a particular model number anything, you'll get a blank look i= n response. So, I've worked in a TV studio for many years and I currently freelance as = a video tech for many more years. My specialty is camera operation, but I = have had directing, switching, projection, and tape op gigs too. Yesterday= , on a week-long gig I was supposed to camera-op for this weekend, I got bu= mped up to "Tape Shader" because someone else canceled last minute. Now, I= 'm pretty confident that I've either done this position before or can figur= e it out quickly, but what the heck is a Tape Shader? This is a live corpo= rate production, usually with awards shows, entertainment, lectures, etc. = I've never heard this particular term before, can anyone shed some light on= it? ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: General Query regarding Persons of Size Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:16:27 -0800 Not a solution, but I was do a show some place in a PAC, I watched users remove 2 permanent seat and replace them with orchestra chairs, the users place the chair in the normal positioning to the stage. The person requesting this change in house seating shortly came in and turned the sideways so the back of the chairs made armrests for her and she used them for arm rest with no room to spare either. That was the first time I had ever seen such a thing. I have been known to put a few armrest up in stadium style seating in the cinema and lay down and watch the movie. When the house was sparsely filled. ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- Greetings to All! I have a question, while directed at Front of House and Management types, would benefit from any input. Our 2600+ fixed seat Theater is starting to do more frequent public-ticketed events and we are needing to establish a solution to seating persons that just won't fit in our stock seats. Two "banquet chairs" locked together in a wheelchair slot has been shot down (worried about the manufacturer not approving their product for that use). Fabricating something that would fit is out for the same liability exposure consideration. My research on ADA has not revealed any established practice so I beseech the collected knowledge of "the List". How do you accommodate these patrons? Do you have access to a manufactured product? Double-chair them? Any input would be most appreciated (before someone books us with a Richard Simmons show!). Dave Dickinson Supervisor, Linda W. Chapin Theater Orange County Convention Center Note: No trees were harmed in the creation of this message but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:18:02 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Tape Shader At 9:00 PM -0500 1/26/07, joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > Yesterday, on a week-long gig I was supposed to camera-op for this > weekend, I got bumped up to "Tape Shader" because someone else > canceled last minute. Now, I'm pretty confident that I've either > done this position before or can figure it out quickly, but what the > heck is a Tape Shader? This is a live corporate production, >usually with awards shows, entertainment, lectures, etc. I've never >heard this particular term before, can anyone shed some light on it? Just a guess, but I believe the Shader sets up and maintains camera color balance, and answers to the TD calling the camera shots. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Please Sir", said Alice to the Mad Hatter in a quiet voice, "I should like to purchase a handgun while it is still legal." ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:19:19 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Yet Another Intro post At 6:00 PM -0800 1/26/07, Risa Strobel wrote: >PS: The SF Local is 16. Local 17 is is Louisville, KY. I guess it has been a while since I've seen that T-shirt come out of my dresser. Oops! -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Singing is basically a pleasant, controlled form of screaming. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1044.205.215.253.41.1169864908.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:28:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Introductions From: "Bill Nelson" > Oh, and you might warn them that the absolute certainty with which some > members state their beliefs is sometimes inversely proportional to their > accuracy.... Are you absolutely certain about that? ;-} Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:35:13 -0800 Scuba is becoming a very required skill in stagecraft, in the professional market, with all the water shows going into show rooms across the world these days. Electricans, riggers and automation techs being what the employers want and need, so they say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Wood" > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > "Introduction: Fubar University Knitting for the Theatre Class" > > They didn't offer that one when I was in school. > > Chip > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:47:34 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions At 6:35 PM -0800 1/26/07, Occy wrote: >Scuba is becoming a very required skill in stagecraft, in the professional >market, with all the water shows going into show rooms across the world >these days. Electricans, riggers and automation techs being what the >employers want and need, so they say. A program footnote to our new student list-denizens: "Occy," here, is our very own Non Sequitur Elf. He may not make sense sometimes, but he sure likes pizza. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I almost don't feel the way I do, only more so. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1072.205.215.253.41.1169866074.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:47:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Introductions From: "Bill Nelson" > just so you know. we needed to sign up for this for our drafting class & > we were graded on our introductions. so it's not our fault....sorry! No need to apologize, just because one of the members gave himself a self-imposed wedgie. Many of us enjoy the introductions and wish there would be MORE student involvement. People who do not like the introductions can always delete them without reading. Welcome to the list. Keep up the feisty spirit. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1073.205.215.253.41.1169866130.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:48:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Introductions From: "Bill Nelson" > just so you know. we needed to sign up for this for our drafting class & > we were graded on our introductions. so it's not our fault....sorry! No need to apologize, just because one of the members gave himself a self-imposed wedgie. Many of us enjoy the introductions and wish there would be MORE student involvement. People who do not like the introductions can always delete them without reading. Welcome to the list. Keep up the feisty spirit. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:58:04 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Keystone formula In-Reply-To: References:

Thanks for all the tips. For those who are curious, we had to go back to the "adjust in place" method because I realized the variables were too many to compute easily. First of all, I'm using a digital projector, which means I didn't know how to compute the initial image size. Secondly, I didn't have a precise measurement of the height of the projector in relationship to the screen. Thirdly, the projector utilizes lens shift which means the projector is aligned with the bottom of the projected image instead of the center of the image. All of these things made my head hurt when trying to figure how to account for them in a formula. Fortunately, we were able to adjust the image live via Photoshop and everything looked fine in the end, except for the fact that the size of the final image we were able to achieve was not as tall as we wanted because of the extreme keystone correction needed. Live and learn. On 1/24/07, Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Laura McMeley wrote: > > > Here's another question. I need to compute the amount of keystone > > correction needed to correct an image projected from a specific angle > > to the left of the screen. Does anybody know the formula for this > > calculation? I can't seem to find it anywhere. > > Too bad that there isn't a Drafting class around here when you need > one... It seems like this is a complex but solvable "true View" problem. > > Oh well. > > Stuart > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: <017301c741bf$06c85620$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > He may not make sense > sometimes, but he sure likes pizza. It's stream-of-unconsciousness. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1086.205.215.253.41.1169866911.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:01:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage From: "Bill Nelson" > Indeed; but as for shooting the director and designer, I strongly > disagree. Its their job to push the artistic envelope, and if he > wants a permanently revolving stage with lights coming up and down, > then isn't it our job to find the technology? Its not exactly rocket > science. If it is genuinely impossible to find a solution then so be > it, but very few challenges fall into that category, and they will > always be apparent at the production meeting. In this case, there apparently was no production meeting involving the people that would have to accomplish this - the lighting designer and the head electrician. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:06:58 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: Full Monty Sign On 1/26/07 Andy Leviss sent: >When I was on the tour, we had the duplicate sign that was built for the >Tony performance, When we did the TONYs, we were told the sign was for the tour, (many of the TONY sets are built to be used on the tour). Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:09:51 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Introductions At 9:58 PM -0500 1/26/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> He may not make sense >> sometimes, but he sure likes pizza. > >It's stream-of-unconsciousness. Now that's *funny* -DVick ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Tape Shader Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:10:33 -0800 Usually Shader is the video engineer for the show, they use the term shader it a cheaper rate than an engineer. Tape Shader, guess you get control of all the camera iris's and color for the tape machine... But can't see anyone archive on tape these days as hard drives and DVD's are more unfaultable than tape. ----- Original Message ----- From: --------------------------------------------------- I have been a video and lighting tech for many years, and I'm a pretty good one, but one of my major failings is that I have a hard time remembering "terms". If you had me a piece of equipment, I know how to use it, I will either recognize it as one I've used before or I'll figure it out in a few minutes. I'm very good with equipment. To quote one of my favorite TV shows "Machines just got workins and they speak to me". But if you ask me if I've ever used a particular model number anything, you'll get a blank look in response. So, I've worked in a TV studio for many years and I currently freelance as a video tech for many more years. My specialty is camera operation, but I have had directing, switching, projection, and tape op gigs too. Yesterday, on a week-long gig I was supposed to camera-op for this weekend, I got bumped up to "Tape Shader" because someone else canceled last minute. Now, I'm pretty confident that I've either done this position before or can figure it out quickly, but what the heck is a Tape Shader? This is a live corporate production, usually with awards shows, entertainment, lectures, etc. I've never heard this particular term before, can anyone shed some light on it? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3464EA5C-A078-4240-9865-DF5E8337CBF3 [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: I know it's a little early, but... Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:10:40 -0500 And I'll be around all week also- doing a PDW on Tuesday, then hanging around booths - maybe Shelley's, maybe Vectorworks, maybe... whomever has the most fun stuff! But I'd love to down a few cold ones in the evenings... g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Steve Shelley wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hear hear! > > No, wait. > > There, there! > > We'll be at our booth. Come find us. > > shelley > > > On 1/26/07 12:54 PM, "Matt Gard" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> I know I haven't chimed in much, but I'll be there, and I'd love >> to meet >> anyone on the list Face to Face. Most likely, I'll be in the Bar. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Paul >> Schreiner >> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:07 PM >> To: Stagecraft >> Subject: I know it's a little early, but... >> >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Looking up last year's gripple thread got me to thinking (cuz Delbert >> made a few inquiries at the time about last year's >> conference)...anyone >> have plans for SETC this spring? I'm finally getting back there >> after >> too many years away, and we'll have a few of our students in >> tow...it'd >> be nice to toss back a few with listers. > > -- > Steve Shelley > SoftSymbols Designer > MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net > www.fieldtemplate.com > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070126192508.057089d8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:28:08 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Stomp the TDs In-Reply-To: References: Yo, Adriane! I'll take that bet--if it doesn't conflict with my other committee meetings. When is it? >Think you've got what it takes to face >your colleagues with your back pocket of possibilities? Got any good >myths you've already de-bunked or proven? > >I invite you to email me soon so we can get your info into the >conference people. > >Thank you, > >Adriane Bennett Loren "Grits" Schreiber Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:30:55 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Stomp the TDs At 7:28 PM -0800 1/26/07, Loren Schreiber wrote: >Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Hey, what if you *ride* a Wing? Then what, huh??? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:31:34 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Introductions In-Reply-To: References:

> "Occy," here, is our very own Non Sequitur Elf. He may not make sense > sometimes, but he sure likes pizza. Hey Dave, when you're done with that screen cleaner, I could use some over here now. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0701261934m38bf8931p58037d21443db503 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:34:21 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Cc: MissWisc [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Intros - a response to the students MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: <<.......So dear college students... a message from the heart of a "mom"...>> Kristi, Excellent response. I agree 200%. Hey kids, when Kristi posts, listen. Lots of smart words there. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAC891.6090203 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:35:45 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college student References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Yo!. Wasamatta you? Isn't that the university where Bullwinkle went? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3506.69.203.216.247.1169869305.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:41:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Movies & PA From: "Andy Leviss" Frank Wood wrote: > Switches can put clicks, thumps and bangs into the works, unless in a > carefully designed environment. XLR connectors are a big no-no. By far the > best connector is the 'B' gauge telephone jack. Apart from being compact > (1/4" diameter), they have reliable auxiliary contact sets available. This > means that your most frequent application can happen with no > cross-plugging. [sigh] I guess it's my turn to play this game... Phone jack patchbays are an awful choice for sound reinforcement. They need lots of maintenance to keep the contacts clean (unless they're CONSTANTLY being patched and repatched, in which case the frequent use tends to self-clean). More importantly, though, if you're using it to patch mic signals, phantom power over a phone connector/jack pairing is a BAD thing. If the line's phantom supply is on when you patch/unpatch, you'll get all sorts of nasties that in addition to not sounding pleasant can potentially damage equipment. The standard for mic level patching is, indeed, an XLR patch panel. Why in the world would you consider this a no-no? It's certainly a cleaner, safer connection than a phone jack, since no one contact can ever short or cross to another contact while patching/unpatching. I cannot think of a single circumstance where a phone connector would be better than an XLR. No, XLR is not easily mechanically normalled, and they take up more space, but--especially for live sound use--it is far superior in every other way. If you really need it, there are ways to essentially normal an XLR patchbay, although it gets more complicated. Again, though, the drawbacks to phone jacks vastly outweigh that benefit. --Andy http://OneFromTheRoad.com Tools, Toys and Tales for Stagehands ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:52:22 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Geez. Everyone is getting into the act. FWIW, the original Stump the Rigger session is back after a one year hiatus. Panelists will be me, perennial favorite Jack Suesse, Tray Allan from James Thomas Engineering and Don Dimitroff from Columbus McKinnon. Session is on Saturday morning. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/26/07 7:29 PM, "Adriane Bennett" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- , > The > second part of the session is the time-honored "Stump the TD" panel. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <04c801c741c8$bff50900$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: 50 /50 splitRe: Introductions Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:05 -0500 Kristi is right, no matter what her "source". A friend of mine is the manager of one such house in Nevada. ahem 'nough said from me. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > > > > That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x what > > > I do per hour AFTER the 50/50 split with the house and have > > > far better health coverage. > > > > Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. > > > > (C'mon, all y'all were thinking the same thing.) > > Actually, I was wondering how to respectfully ask Kristi how > she...er...knows this.... > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAD202.6080308 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:16:02 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: >> 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 >> 01110010 01100100 > > > "\x63\x75\x74\x65\x21\r\n" .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- .. -. ... .. ... - -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02cc01c741ca$df380c20$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:23:16 -0800 Apropos of nothing... Well, other than the fact that there have been 416 posts that included the word, 'Montclair,' in the last week... Hi, I'm not a Montclair student. But my father was. This was quite some time ago. I myself was born in Montclair General Hospital. But my mother insisted that my birth certificate say, 'Glen Ridge,' because the hospital straddles the city limits and the maternity ward is on the 'other' side. This may give you some insight into my mother, which may give you some insight into me. I no longer live anywhere near there, but I am doing my part, here, to drag down the average speed of the traffic, for the safety of us all. And, if you have a 9'x12' dirty scrap of ragged scrim that you might be thinking of tossing out, mail me the price, please. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:43:44 -0600 Subject: Flying people From: Lauren Samuelsen Message-ID: So I'm 16 and I work at a little community theatre in houston. Twice a year we do a show at a larger theatre. This year we're doing Peter Pan, which as you probably know, involves flying people. A professional who works at the larger theatre will be rigging the whole thing up, but they are leaving it to us (a bunch of kids between 14 and 17) to operate it. I mentioned to the tech director and director that I wasn't sure that a bunch of teens should have responsibility for that, but they didn't agree. So I figured as long as we have to do it, I should try to learn as much as I can about and pass the information on to the other techs. Do any of you have advice and/or information on flying people? Lauren ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BADA70.9060103 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:52:00 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: All the Montclair students References:

In-Reply-To: Kathleen McDonough wrote: > Living a mere > 15 minutes from the greatest city in the world, I have my choice of > world class performances at many wonderful venues. Ah, but sometimes the best way to learn is not to see world class performances, but to see bad productions. Not that the two are mutually exclusive, mind you :-) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45BA8659.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:52:54 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed References:

In-Reply-To: Uncle Bill!!! I kinda' had the "Stump the TD" thrust upon me. I only submitted idea for the Mythbuster thing, and next thing I know, they've got it listed as a two-parter! Those TD Comission kids! I wouldn't dream of stealing your thunder, so to speak. In fact, I've got a question I've been saving for your panel. See you in Pheonix. Hope you can make it to our session, Wed 7:30pm. Adriane Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) >>> Bill Sapsis 1/26/2007 9:52 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Geez. Everyone is getting into the act. FWIW, the original Stump the Rigger session is back after a one year hiatus. Panelists will be me, perennial favorite Jack Suesse, Tray Allan from James Thomas Engineering and Don Dimitroff from Columbus McKinnon. Session is on Saturday morning. Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/26/07 7:29 PM, "Adriane Bennett" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- , > The > second part of the session is the time-honored "Stump the TD" panel. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BADBA1.1030204 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:57:05 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Student introductions References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > I'm not quite that auld, but I do recall learning how to send MIDI and > DMX signals in college with an abacus. Pah. When I was in college, "midi" was a skirt length, and DMX probably would've meant a sports car. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070126213244.00c91b78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:32:44 From: CB Subject: Cage Match? >LOL, having met Dave, and having seen video of Chris, a sick part of me >wants to find a neutral venue and build a hexagon... I am *NOT* afraid of Dave!!! (I'm purdy sure that I can outrun him...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Intros Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:02:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01f801c741d0$78c81510$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Synonymous, I think. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Heinicke Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:54 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Intros For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- With all of the introductions recently, does anyone else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters Anonymous or something?? :) Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:11:38 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References: First...find out if said "professional" has experience flying people. If not, then sit down at your computer, and type a letter expressing your concerns about this whole scenario. At the end, after you've signed it, write something like "I, the undersigned, have read this letter and have heard the concerns expressed therein, and I am fully cognizant of the risks we are taking by not spending the additional money to bring in professionals to train our crew in how to achieve the flying effects safely, but I want to go ahead and do it anyway because I am convinced that our level of training and experience is up to the task." Or something like that. There's plenty of people here who can help you with the verbiage. (Oh, Richard...?) Take copies to the PTB and ask them to sign it. If they refuse, walk away and do nothing for the show...and do so with a clear conscience. If you really wanna go the extra mile, call up a local TV station about it. Stash the signed copies away in a safe deposit box. And then pray to whatever god(s) you identify with most closely. Now, FWIW, many companies (at least one of whom is regularly represented on this list) who do this sort of thing regularly do in fact then turn it over to a local (sometimes high-school-aged) crew to operate during production after they've had an opportunity to train them. So that in itself isn't particularly odd. The ultimate question(s), really, are (1) what experience does this particular rigger have in the flying of people (and not just scenery), and (2) what is the training going to be for the crew who will be responsible for the life of the actors in question? It may be that you have someone who has a few dozen spare clues about rigging people. If so, great. Glue yourself to his/her hip, and suck in every tidbit that gets dropped. You'll have steady paychecks for life. But if you don't know that, you owe it to yourself to find out this person's credentials. And if s/he hasn't flown people before (except, say, straight up and down hoisting), then get typing. And praying. To make a long story short (too late!), you've gotta find out about this rigger before any real decision can be made. Time to do a bit more detective work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:19:29 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Intros In-Reply-To: References:

> Synonymous, I think. Doom > > > With all of the introductions recently, does anyone > > else feel like we are at a meeting of Stagecrafters > > Anonymous or something?? :) But that'd be S.S., and I'm done with WWII era plays for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:20:35 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <384946.56928.qm [at] web50611.mail.yahoo.com> >> Given the decreasing number of summer stock companies, what do people do to learn/hone their crafts? Theme Parks?<< I can't say enough about The Cape Playhouse. Went from 3 line hemp to stage set just a few years ago. It remains a sandbag house. Lot of history, Blocks from the beach, last remaining straw hat theatre, and blah Blah blah. A great summer stock experience. Am I wrong Joe? Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:24:02 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college In-Reply-To: References:

> I can't say enough about The Cape Playhouse. Prolly like I can't say enough about Flat Rock. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45BA8EA4.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:28:14 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: And yet another introduction from a bumbling college References:

In-Reply-To: There are still a myriad of summer stocks in the Northeast. The Berkshires especially. There are smatterings of Shakespeare Festivals all throughout the country. Look on internet publications like Playbill.com and backstagejobs.com for listings of these and you'll many are starting their postings now for their summer employees. Adriane Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) >>> b Ricie 1/26/2007 11:20 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >> Given the decreasing number of summer stock companies, what do people do to learn/hone their crafts? Theme Parks?<< I can't say enough about The Cape Playhouse. Went from 3 line hemp to stage set just a few years ago. It remains a sandbag house. Lot of history, Blocks from the beach, last remaining straw hat theatre, and blah Blah blah. A great summer stock experience. Am I wrong Joe? Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <026301c741d4$4f10ed10$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Help. Call Foy Inventerprises in Las Vegas. Find a professional finding person. I know there are some out there. I usually go with Foy's people, although there are others. If you have trouble, please contact me off site, and I will assist. Too dangerous to just .....contact me or a professional who does flying. Not students, and most often, not technical theater directors, etc. Professional flying companies. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Lauren Samuelsen Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:44 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- So I'm 16 and I work at a little community theatre in houston. Twice a year we do a show at a larger theatre. This year we're doing Peter Pan, which as you probably know, involves flying people. A professional who works at the larger theatre will be rigging the whole thing up, but they are leaving it to us (a bunch of kids between 14 and 17) to operate it. I mentioned to the tech director and director that I wasn't sure that a bunch of teens should have responsibility for that, but they didn't agree. So I figured as long as we have to do it, I should try to learn as much as I can about and pass the information on to the other techs. Do any of you have advice and/or information on flying people? Lauren ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: <027f01c741d5$f0133aa0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Excellent Paul. And I would add more, but you have the essence. Thanks. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:12 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- First...find out if said "professional" has experience flying people. If not, then sit down at your computer, and type a letter expressing your concerns about this whole scenario. At the end, after you've signed it, write something like "I, the undersigned, have read this letter and have heard the concerns expressed therein, and I am fully cognizant of the risks we are taking by not spending the additional money to bring in professionals to train our crew in how to achieve the flying effects safely, but I want to go ahead and do it anyway because I am convinced that our level of training and experience is up to the task." Or something like that. There's plenty of people here who can help you with the verbiage. (Oh, Richard...?) Take copies to the PTB and ask them to sign it. If they refuse, walk away and do nothing for the show...and do so with a clear conscience. If you really wanna go the extra mile, call up a local TV station about it. Stash the signed copies away in a safe deposit box. And then pray to whatever god(s) you identify with most closely. Now, FWIW, many companies (at least one of whom is regularly represented on this list) who do this sort of thing regularly do in fact then turn it over to a local (sometimes high-school-aged) crew to operate during production after they've had an opportunity to train them. So that in itself isn't particularly odd. The ultimate question(s), really, are (1) what experience does this particular rigger have in the flying of people (and not just scenery), and (2) what is the training going to be for the crew who will be responsible for the life of the actors in question? It may be that you have someone who has a few dozen spare clues about rigging people. If so, great. Glue yourself to his/her hip, and suck in every tidbit that gets dropped. You'll have steady paychecks for life. But if you don't know that, you owe it to yourself to find out this person's credentials. And if s/he hasn't flown people before (except, say, straight up and down hoisting), then get typing. And praying. To make a long story short (too late!), you've gotta find out about this rigger before any real decision can be made. Time to do a bit more detective work. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070126222104.00c98db0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:21:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Wireless speakers >> Are you living in a >> house too big to hear the bell from the lounge? >Here is an example. Although our Queen Anne Vic is only moderately large at >2300 sq ft., the bells are found in the kitchen on the first floor and >directly above there on the second floor. The bells serve both the front >and rear doors (by different tones). The original owners had a housekeeper >who spent much of her time in the rear of the house in the kitchen and >laundry area. A simple 'Yeah' would've sufficed. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:49:56 GMT Subject: Re: Flying people Message-Id: <20070126.215024.18186.1155797 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Dear Lauren, I concur with Doom, as usual. The risk of death or great bodily harm = are MUCH too high. Foy, and others, have more insurance, more safety = devices, more well-tested hanging gear and harnesses, and more skill = as to how to employ them properly, than you now have, or will have, = the opportunity to acquire prior to this production. "Just Say NO" /s/ Richard ______________________________ Help. Call Foy Inventerprises in Las Vegas. Find a professional = finding person. I know there are some out there. I usually go with = Foy's people, although there are others. If you have trouble, please = contact me off site, and I will assist. Too dangerous to = just .....contact me or a professional who does flying. Not students, = and most often, not technical theater directors, etc. Professional = flying companies. Dr. Doom = -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of = Lauren Samuelsen Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:44 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Flying people So I'm 16 and I work at a little community theatre in houston. Twice = a year we do a show at a larger theatre. This year we're doing Peter = Pan, which as you probably know, involves flying people. A = professional who works at the larger theatre will be rigging the = whole thing up, but they are leaving it to us (a bunch of kids = between 14 and 17) to operate it. I mentioned to the tech director = and director that I wasn't sure that a bunch of teens should have responsibility for that, but they didn't agree. So I figured as = long as we have to do it, I should try to learn as much as I can = about and pass the information on to the other techs. Do any of you = have advice and/or information on flying people? Lauren ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAE93E.2060000 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:55:10 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Flying people References: In-Reply-To: Lauren Samuelsen wrote: > So I'm 16 and I work at a little community theatre in houston. [...] > I mentioned to the > tech director and director that I wasn't sure that a bunch of teens should > have responsibility for that, but they didn't agree. So I figured as long as > we have to do it, I should try to learn as much as I can about and pass the > information on to the other techs. Do any of you have advice and/or > information on flying people? I'm not at all surprised your TD and director would want to put you in charge. If you are representative of the other teens, then I think the show will be in good hands. By seeking out the experts, you have demonstrated the wisdom and maturity necessary to be in charge of operating the rigging. HOWEVER! Keep in mind Paul's advice: if you are not confident in the rigger's qualifications or in the training you receive, WALK AWAY (and drag as many people with you as you can). It's better to walk away from a show that just happens to go right (by some miracle) than to be involved in a show that goes horribly wrong. On the other hand, if the rigger knows what he (or she) is doing, then this will be a fantastic opportunity to get some experience. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAE9A0.2020802 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:56:48 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: All the Montclair students References:

In-Reply-To: I wrote: > Ah, but sometimes the best way to learn is not to see world class > performances, but to see bad productions. Just as a clarification - for "bad productions" I was not specifically referring to the shows you are passing up on, I was referring to bad productions in general. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: <017601c741d8$22a02350$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > HOWEVER! Keep in mind Paul's advice: if you are not confident=20 > in the rigger's qualifications ...If I may elaborate: He or she may be a qualified rigger in all other respects, but flying = humans has unique requirements. If s/he's not specifically qualified to fly humans, run. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:00:29 GMT Subject: Re: Flying people Message-Id: <20070126.220128.18186.1155812 [at] webmail36.lax.untd.com> Thank You, Paul. I do not need business bad enough to encourage = Lauren to take a riskier course that could result in a disaster; even = if the PTB does sign it, I'd stay away anyway, as the PTB is reckless. /s/ Richard _________________________________ Excellent Paul. And I would add more, but you have the essence. = Thanks. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:12 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = --------------------------------------------------- First...find out if said "professional" has experience flying people. If not, then sit down at your computer, and type a letter expressing your concerns about this whole scenario. At the end, after you've signed it, write something like "I, the undersigned, have read this letter and have heard the concerns expressed therein, and I am fully cognizant of the risks we are taking by not spending the additional money to bring in professionals to train our crew in how to achieve the flying effects safely, but I want to go ahead and do it anyway because I am convinced that our level of training and experience is up to the task." Or something like that. There's plenty of people here who can help you with the verbiage. (Oh, Richard...?) Take copies to the PTB and ask them to sign it. If they refuse, walk away and do nothing for the show...and do so with a clear conscience. If you really wanna go the extra mile, call up a local TV station about it. Stash the signed copies away in a safe deposit box. And then pray to whatever god(s) you identify with most closely. Now, FWIW, many companies (at least one of whom is regularly represented on this list) who do this sort of thing regularly do in fact then turn it over to a local (sometimes high-school-aged) crew to operate during production after they've had an opportunity to train them. So that in itself isn't particularly odd. The ultimate question(s), really, are (1) what experience does this particular rigger have in the flying of people (and not just scenery), and (2) what is the training going to be for the crew who will be responsible for the life of the actors in question? It may be that you have someone who has a few dozen spare clues about rigging people. If so, great. Glue yourself to his/her hip, and suck in every tidbit that gets dropped. You'll have steady paychecks for life. But if you don't know that, you owe it to yourself to find out this person's credentials. And if s/he hasn't flown people before (except, say, straight up and down hoisting), then get typing. And praying. To make a long story short (too late!), you've gotta find out about this rigger before any real decision can be made. Time to do a bit more detective work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BAEC07.4020209 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:07:03 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: Flying people References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >>HOWEVER! Keep in mind Paul's advice: if you are not confident >>in the rigger's qualifications > > > > ...If I may elaborate: > > He or she may be a qualified rigger in all other respects, but flying humans > has unique requirements. If s/he's not specifically qualified to fly > humans, run. Thank you for clarification. Paul's post had mentioned this, and I had assumed it as part of my definition of "qualifications", but in a discussion like this it's best to be precise. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:13:22 -0500 Subject: SETC's and summer work From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey paul; You bet. Bring the buttons to the Field Template booth and we'll stick some up on the curtain. Or maybe run a promotion; "sign up to the stagecraft list and win a Field Template keystick". I will muse with Fred. And for anyone looking for early summer work, there are still internships available at the spoleto festival usa (www.spoletousa.org) there's several different categories of employment, but in the production department there's any number of possibilities. Development and company management: http://www.spoletousa.org/about/employment.php You can download an apprentice application from: http://www.spoletousa.org/about/employment_apprenticeships.php First series of load-in's start approx. may 30th, but the theatres are usually staggered; another set of load-ins start the week after, and another the week after that. Stuff starts opening may 24th. Finale on june 10, production party june 12th. Warehouse and trailers usually packed and gussied by june 14th or 15th. And then you still have the chance for other summer work. Sadly I will not be returning as lighting & scenic coordinator this year so don't know the inside dish. But our alum have gone on to international touring, broadway, vegas, cruise ships. Lots of possibilities. Lots of work. Lots of fun. Knowing when to ask questions recommended. Positive attitude appreciated. Whiners and slackers need not apply. shelley On 1/26/07 6:57 PM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> We'll be at our booth. Come find us. > > K...as plans have it now, I'll be at SETC Thursday-Saturday. So maybe a > Friday night get-together is in order. Though I'm sure if we can locate > each other beforehand, there'll be some informal glass-raising earlier. > > We've got button-making capabilities...maybe I'll put together a couple > dozen buttons for listers to identify each other with. Who (among the > booth people) would wanna volunteer to be the collection point for them? -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:52:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c741df$bc2c70d0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Please, listen to Richard. If you will check with my book you will find many pages of direction and advice approved by many in the field. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:00 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Thank You, Paul. I do not need business bad enough to encourage Lauren to take a riskier course that could result in a disaster; even if the PTB does sign it, I'd stay away anyway, as the PTB is reckless. /s/ Richard _________________________________ Excellent Paul. And I would add more, but you have the essence. Thanks. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:12 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- First...find out if said "professional" has experience flying people. If not, then sit down at your computer, and type a letter expressing your concerns about this whole scenario. At the end, after you've signed it, write something like "I, the undersigned, have read this letter and have heard the concerns expressed therein, and I am fully cognizant of the risks we are taking by not spending the additional money to bring in professionals to train our crew in how to achieve the flying effects safely, but I want to go ahead and do it anyway because I am convinced that our level of training and experience is up to the task." Or something like that. There's plenty of people here who can help you with the verbiage. (Oh, Richard...?) Take copies to the PTB and ask them to sign it. If they refuse, walk away and do nothing for the show...and do so with a clear conscience. If you really wanna go the extra mile, call up a local TV station about it. Stash the signed copies away in a safe deposit box. And then pray to whatever god(s) you identify with most closely. Now, FWIW, many companies (at least one of whom is regularly represented on this list) who do this sort of thing regularly do in fact then turn it over to a local (sometimes high-school-aged) crew to operate during production after they've had an opportunity to train them. So that in itself isn't particularly odd. The ultimate question(s), really, are (1) what experience does this particular rigger have in the flying of people (and not just scenery), and (2) what is the training going to be for the crew who will be responsible for the life of the actors in question? It may be that you have someone who has a few dozen spare clues about rigging people. If so, great. Glue yourself to his/her hip, and suck in every tidbit that gets dropped. You'll have steady paychecks for life. But if you don't know that, you owe it to yourself to find out this person's credentials. And if s/he hasn't flown people before (except, say, straight up and down hoisting), then get typing. And praying. To make a long story short (too late!), you've gotta find out about this rigger before any real decision can be made. Time to do a bit more detective work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <68063acf0701270042pfa397bepc0a00e02277b3c56 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:42:40 -0500 From: "Katrina Wiechmann" Subject: Re: Introductions In-Reply-To: References:

How long have you been saying that, Paul? Come one, be honest. For as long as you've been saying it, don't you think that if it were true, you'd have done it right now? Or is it you think you better just stick with something you're good at? *bg* :p On 1/26/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: > Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <68063acf0701270120k45e42875l40935af89d581ae5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 04:20:46 -0500 From: "Katrina Wiechmann" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: References:

It truly is amazing what you can learn from "bad productions." I saw one just last November; don't think I've ever seen anything quite so bad in my life. My Greek Drama class went to see this particular production at a certain Temple. (For fear of mis-abusing someone, I daren't give more information.) For this class we were to write a review of the play...I did not know that I could notice so many bad things about any one production: casting, make-up, costumes, lighting, sound, heck, even the script was awful (that or the actors were just that bad). Given all of those inane qualities of this particular production, however, the only thing I regretted about that show, was that it was close enough to my home that I could go home for the weekend, and therefore could not participate in the discussion on the bus on the way back to campus. I wish we had more opportunites on (and around) our campus to see shows (any shows) for free. As it is, I pretty much jump at any S/LBO gig we have for on campus events, rarely as large as Tricia Brown (though, if I'm not much mistaken, I think she did come here last year, and I did see that show.) Usually these are smaller events, but occasionally there are some that I jump for joy at: Orson Scott Card lecture...and others that I take whole-heartedly and come out in shambles: Washington Balalaika Symphony, first solo gig, (aka no Paul in sight/site) and I had nine or so channels on the sound board plus my LBO decided that she was going to sit in the orchestra with the audience instead of do her job, so I got to do that too. Not complaining so much as going, "How the hell did I survive that one?" Anyway, getting back to what I was saying, it blows my mind to hear of "theatre people" that don't want to actually see theatre. I've been [obsessed] passionate about the theatre since I was very young, even though my life plans may not involve a permanent stint in the theatre biz, I certainly try to spend a good deal of time with it. (Heck, you gotta like what you do to be able to come in [ever] for $5.15 an hour, sometimes of intense physical labor while most of your friends are getting paid to do their homework!) On 1/26/07, Jim Hyslop wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > Ah, but sometimes the best way to learn is not to see world class > performances, but to see bad productions. Not that the two are mutually > exclusive, mind you :-) > > -- > Jim Hyslop -- "Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1112 ******************************