Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41732939; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:15:58 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41732938; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:15:56 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,BIZ_TLD, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1113 Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:15:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1113 1. Re: Flying people by "Eric Rouse" 2. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 3. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Bill Sapsis 4. Re: All the Montclair students by Charlie Richmond 5. Re: Full Monty Sign by "Gregg Carville" 6. Re: Projectors by Anna 7. Re: Projectors by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 8. Re: All the Montclair students by "Katrina Wiechmann" 9. Re: All the Montclair students by Charlie Richmond 10. Powered Speakers by "Gregg Carville" 11. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Eddie Kramer 12. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Michael Drury 13. Re: Wireless DMX/data - need some ideas by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 14. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Jon Ares" 15. Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 16. Re: Tape Shader by "Jon Ares" 17. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by KEITH ARSENAULT 18. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Eddie Kramer 19. Re: USITT Panelists needed by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 20. Re: Flying people by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 21. Re: Out of the Wings and Into the Wind by Loren Schreiber 22. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Eddie Kramer 23. Re: Tape Shader by "Katrina Wiechmann" 24. Re: Tape Shader by joreth [at] techie.com 25. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Bill Sapsis 26. revolving stage by Judy 27. Re: Wireless speakers by Stephen Rees 28. Re: Cage Match? by Rigger 29. Re: 50 /50 splitRe: Introductions by Rigger 30. Re: Flying people by Rigger 31. Re: Cage Match? by Greg Williams 32. Re: Full Monty Sign by Rigger 33. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Rigger 34. Re: USITT Panelists needed by "Susan Nicholson" 35. Re: Out of the Wings and Into the Wind by Rigger 36. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by KEITH ARSENAULT 37. Re: USITT Panelists needed by Herrick Goldman 38. House lights by Philip Johnson 39. Re: Internally threaded bolt by 40. Re: All the Montclair students by "C. Dopher" 41. Re: electricity to revolving stage by 42. How old ARE you people anyway? by "Frank E. Merrill" 43. Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Frank E. Merrill" 44. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Myself 45. Re: by 46. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Susan Nicholson" 47. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Rigger 48. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by Josh Ratty 49. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 50. Re: Tape Shader by Jim Hyslop 51. Re: Powered Speakers by Greg Williams 52. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Paul Puppo" 53. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Jerry Durand 54. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 55. Re: Flying people by "RD" 56. Re: Flying people by "RD" 57. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "RD" 58. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "RD" 59. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "John Gibilisco" 60. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Charlie Richmond 61. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "RD" 62. Re: Flying people by Stuart Wheaton 63. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 64. Re: Flying people by "RD" 65. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by KEITH ARSENAULT 66. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 67. Re: Flying people by Bill Sapsis 68. Re: Traveling to URTA by "Kelly Smith" 69. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Bruce Purdy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <41f080680701270505x7e5b9f0rc610cff167ecd001 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:05:23 -0500 From: "Eric Rouse" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References: > So I'm 16 and I work at a little community theatre in houston. Twice a year > we do a show at a larger theatre. This year we're doing Peter Pan Do any of you have advice and/or > information on flying people? Hi Lauren, First, I have not had coffee yet, so I apologize if I write slurringly..... Here are a few ways to tell if the person your theatre is hiring is even near qualified to set up a flying rig. 1. If he provides or asks you to buy a climbing harness to use as a 2 wire flying harness (flying done with wires going to the hips) he is not qualified. The loops on those harnesses are not designed for lifting, they are for clipping gear. 2. If he provides or asks you to buy a fall protection harness for a single wire flight he is not qualified. These harnesses are not designed for flying, although I have to say, you won't fall out if it fits properly. 3. If he uses pulleys bought at Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc.....He is not qualified. These pulleys are not designed for this. 4. If he uses cable clips (also called crosby clips, they look like small U-bolts) he is not qualified. Cable clips are at best only about 80% efficient meaning you are only left with 80% of the strength of the cable. You want as much of the rated strength of the cable as possible. You should only use swaged connections. These are also frequently called nicopress connections. They are copper colored oval shaped sleeves that are pressed on the cable with a special tool, not pliers.\ or vise grips. 5. If he uses aluminum sleeves instead of copper, he is not qualified. Keep in mind that sometimes there are copper sleeves plated with nickel. The aluminum sleeves are much lighter when you hold them. You can tell quite easily. Definitely do not use sleeves that come out of the little bag from Lowes or HD. These are made for dog runs and garage door openers, not much else. 6. If he uses cheap unrated clips to lock people into the system, he is not qualified. Hardware should always have a stamp on it telling you what it is rated for lifting. There are very few exceptions to this. Things like dog clips, those cheap little carabiners that come in a rainbow of colors at the hardware store are good for keys and.....oh yeah, dogs. There are many more, but these are a good place to start. Unfortunately it will most likely come down to you and your parents to decide if the system is safe. Use good judgment and ask the rigger lots of questions about the rig. If something does not look right, say something and expect an acceptable answer. Dont let him get away with, "cause that's the way it is, OK?". Ask us again! There is nothing wrong with you and your friends operating the system (if the system is safe). I used to do that sort of thing all the time when I was with Flying by Foy. Many times the teens were better than the parents, to be quite honest with you. As for responsibility?.....well you sound pretty mature. I think you have that covered. Don't know what area of theatre you are interested in, but if you ever think of going into Technical Direction, drop me a line! Feel free to send us more questions or comments as your show progresses. Stay Safe!!!! -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:15:41 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References:

Lauren, Let me addres this issue as a professional who has worked in the performer flying business for over 25 years. Pauls is correct, after the flying director trains the cast and crew, he leaves the show in their hand. Typically everyone who flys and operates the equipment signs a wavier. If they are under 18, a parent must also sign. But yes, high school students can operate the systems. Contacting a professional flying company will be of no use to you unless you are asking them for a quote. Since your theatre has already hired someone to do the flying, you will be waisting your and their time. Paul is also correct that this professional rigger may or may not be qualified to fly people. This is a very specialized area of rigging. Everyone appreciates your concern, but this rigger my be qualified to fly performers and might do a very good job. We honestly do not know. So, let me give you some things to look for as the job is being rigged. 1) The flying harnesses are "flying harnesses" (not homemade, not climbing harnesses, not fall arrest harnesses) AMSPEC and Climbing Sutra are two of the leading manufacturers of flying harnesses. 2) All hardware is rated. And no carabiners allowed. 3) All cable terminations are swaged (no cable clips). 4) Ask the rigger the size of the cable that is supporting the performers. It should be 3/32" or 1/8" 5) If a track is used, it should not be curtain track, but a track where the sections bolt together. 6) Look at how the cable attaches to the harnesses. there are lots of acceptable and unacceptable ways to do this. 7) Do the systems look well designed and built? Some performer flying systems are very simple. Simple is fine, but is it well built? You will know so when you see it. 8) The arbors of the battens that hold the flying systems should be chained to the locking rails so that they cannot move. 9) The flying operators should be well instructed on how the systems work and how to operate them. 10) Some flying is more difficult that others. Does the rigger/flying director seem to know what he is doing or is he "making it up?" There is so much that could be said here, but I will leave it here. Feel free to contact me privately and you get into the install and the flying rehearsals. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:27:26 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Please for to be not worrying. I wasn't complaining or anything. Sorry if it appeared that way. What's that phrase? Imitation is the highest form of flattery? Hey, I'll take a little flattery wherever I can get it. Just for the record, there is a Stump the Rigger session, a Stump the Electrician session and a Stump the TD session. So everyone gets a chance to get stumped. Cool. Bill S ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/26/07 11:52 PM, "Adriane Bennett" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Uncle Bill!!! > I kinda' had the "Stump the TD" thrust upon me. I only submitted idea > for the Mythbuster thing, and next thing I know, they've got it listed > as a two-parter! Those TD Comission kids! I wouldn't dream of stealing > your thunder, so to speak. In fact, I've got a question I've been > saving for your panel. See you in Pheonix. Hope you can make it to our > session, Wed 7:30pm. > Adriane > > > Adriane Bennett > Technical Director > Auburn University Theatre Department > 334-844-6620 > 344-844-4939 (fax) > > >>>> Bill Sapsis 1/26/2007 9:52 PM >>> > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Geez. Everyone is getting into the act. FWIW, the original Stump > the > Rigger session is back after a one year hiatus. Panelists will be me, > perennial favorite Jack Suesse, Tray Allan from James Thomas > Engineering and > Don Dimitroff from Columbus McKinnon. Session is on Saturday morning. > > Bill S. > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > ETCP Council Member > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > On 1/26/07 7:29 PM, "Adriane Bennett" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >> --------------------------------------------------- > , >> The >> second part of the session is the time-honored "Stump the TD" panel. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Katrina Wiechmann wrote: --------------- amazing and wonderful diatribe cut -------------- > Anyway, getting back to what I was saying, it blows my mind to hear of > "theatre people" that don't want to actually see theatre. I've been > [obsessed] passionate about the theatre since I was very young, even > though my life plans may not involve a permanent stint in the theatre so.... what is your major??? C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e15160701270615x66d0c90cs4b930aca5d2d4eda [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:15:15 -0500 From: "Gregg Carville" Subject: Re: Full Monty Sign In-Reply-To: References:

How many of us worked on this show? I ALD'd the tour Andy is talking about and without going into the archives of my paperwork I believe he is on the nose with the hardware. And since this was the same design (Howell Binkley) as B'way - the sign kicked out a lot of light & heat. (The C7's & strobes were just flash for the build up) The q'ing sequence for the sign was quite something too. But to the point of the poster - The audience blinding is the key part here. So directing the light at the audience is going to make the effect. - If you don't have the ability to rebuild the sign - can you put a bunch of PAR's US of the sign and create the silhouette of the sign & actors? Just a thought. and back off topic - Another interesting story from that tour, as tech progressed into the first stop, members of the production staff in the audience concluded that the cast was very comfortable with the last moment, they noted that the silhouettes were larger than when we started. good luck and have fun, Gregg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Anna Subject: Re: Projectors Message-ID: <574397.99454.qm [at] web37206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you all thus far. For some reason my stagecraft e-mail has been "tri= ckling" into my inbox four days late, so I've just received everything sinc= e Wed. Although all solutions presented here are good ones, they are not a= possibility for my production for a variety of reasons. BTW, NOBODY in Bo= ston rents the City Theatrical dowser... I am exploring a way to make my o= wn dowser with a model railroad semaphore, and will let you know if that pa= ns out.=0A =0A=0AAnna Labykina=0ATechnical Director=0AThe Boston Conservato= ry=0A617.912.9129 office=0A617.388.5656 mobile=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A_= ___________________________________________________________________________= ________=0ABe a PS3 game guru.=0AGet your game face on with the latest PS3 = news and previews at Yahoo! Games.=0Ahttp://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?p= latform=3D120121 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: ani_td [at] yahoo.com ('Anna') Subject: RE: Projectors Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: <018f01c7421e$8c8ea840$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > BTW, NOBODY in > Boston rents the City Theatrical dowser. I believe that Altman Rentals, in Yonkers, NY, has it and if so, they could easily get it to you. (212)569-7777, ext. 130 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <68063acf0701270624u178ef3dbn5f4222bb888c43bf [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:24:51 -0500 From: "Katrina Wiechmann" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: References:

Physics (BS) with concentrations in classics (drama and literature/Latin) and Math. My life plan has always (ok...so, since I was like 8) been to be an astronomer. Not much differences between that and theatre, huh? Working all hours of the day and night, people thinking you've got a few too many screws loose.... Katrina On 1/27/07, Charlie Richmond wrote: > > so.... what is your major??? > > C -- "Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:31:51 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Katrina Wiechmann wrote: > Physics (BS) with concentrations in classics (drama and > literature/Latin) and Math. My life plan has always (ok...so, since I > was like 8) been to be an astronomer. Not much differences between > that and theatre, huh? Working all hours of the day and night, people > thinking you've got a few too many screws loose.... Sounds totally compatible to me.. ;-) Come visit the Greenwich Observatory when you are in London next! It's a wonderful show... Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e15160701270632s4dd29b8fj5a4751e4c810b703 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:32:02 -0500 From: "Gregg Carville" Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] listserv.aol.com (Discussion list for people working in sound for live theatre.) Subject: Powered Speakers Hi All, We are looking at getting some powered speakers that will act as multifunction units. We are going to ask them to: act as PA speakers for small events (say less than 200 people) act as Monitors on our stage. (mainly for graduations and lecture type events) go outside for site specific events (again less than 200 people) So I was wondering if any of you all have a set of powered speakers that you would recommend. I am inclined towards powered for flexibility and ease of setup. Thank you, Gregg -- Gregg Carville Merrill Auditorium Portland, Maine ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:41:05 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed On 1/27/07 Bill Sapsis sent: >Just for the record, there is a Stump the Rigger session, a Stump the >Electrician session and a Stump the TD session. > >So everyone gets a chance to get stumped. We need a Stump the Student session. Everybody must get stumped. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BB668D.6080500 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:49:49 -0500 From: Michael Drury Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed References:

In-Reply-To: Great! Now I have "a certain Dylan song" stuck in my head, and the voices are singing along. Michael Drury > Everybody must get stumped. ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: RE: Wireless DMX/data - need some ideas Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:58:54 -0500 Message-ID: <021701c74223$aa5c1b00$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-reply-to: Mike, The 3-mile range you require rules out common wireless LAN solutions. There are some good wireless-Ethernet products out there (see FreeWave and Microhard for good stuff) that provide point-to-multipoint, but they are NOT analogous to WiFi: they do not offer true anyone-to-anyone connectivity, and the connection bandwidths max out at around 1Mb/sec. (from Microhard); most are quite a bit slower than that. If you can handle these limitations, they work well -- I've used several of them on various projects. Wireless DMX is available to cover the 3-mile range you require, from at least two vendors: - Our new RC5 Extreme Security Wireless DMX - Wireless Solutions W-DMX There may be others, but I'm not aware of them. In our case, and I *believe* for Wireless Solutions also, you'll need a few extras, including higher-gain antennas. All doable, it works very well. Jim RC4 Wireless www.theatrewireless.com > So I've got a challenge. > > I need some solutions to get data--DMX or straight ethernet, > does not matter, really--to 10-14 scattered locations that > are on about a 3 mile radius. I presume that there are some > "off the shelf" technologies out there that can accomplish > this, but I don't know what they are. The receiving end > accepts DMX over CAT5 but does not itself have a wireless receiver. > > Any thoughts? > > Mike Brubaker > Head of Design > Associated Controls + Design > 6850 N Guion Rd > Indianapolis, IN 46268 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00bd01c74226$897fe800$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:19:28 -0800 > OK, I admit it, I cheated. I went to > http://tinyurl.com/3uk4h > and entered the binary. > I love the 'special message for you' lower on that page.... As a blond bespectacled boy might say, "Son of a bi---" - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070127152516.95116.qmail [at] web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: The following is my newly edited pre-show announcement. Have I missed anything? Typically if House Management thinks we will have a need for Assisted listening we will have it out on a table with FOH Management. That is the main reason I didn't include it. Also at my previous job it was mentioned in the pre-show which was played 5 minutes before the curtain..leaving only 5 minutes for anyone unaware of their existence to get them. Good ___________Ladies and Gentlemen(Boys and Girls, Moms and Dads), Welcome to the Bendheim Performing Arts Center. Please take a moment to locate the emergency exits. They are on your left where you entered and on your right. Out of courtesy to our performers, we ask that you please turn off all cell phones and pagers including all video features of your cell phone. No food or drink including water is allowed in the theatre. In addition we ask that you please refrain from taking flash photography, as it is distracting to our performers. Before we get started, we would like to invite you to some upcoming Bendheim performances. Tickets are available at the front desk. There will be a minute intermission during today�s performance. After the show you will have a chance to meet the performers in our main lobby. And now the Bendheim Performing Arts Center is pleased to present: Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <010d01c74228$38357120$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Tape Shader Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:31:30 -0800 > So, I've worked in a TV studio for many years and I currently freelance as > a video tech for many more years. My specialty is camera operation, but I > have had directing, switching, projection, and tape op gigs too. > Yesterday, on a week-long gig I was supposed to camera-op for this > weekend, I got bumped up to "Tape Shader" because someone else canceled > last minute. Now, I'm pretty confident that I've either done this > position before or can figure it out quickly, but what the heck is a Tape > Shader? You'll be adjusting color and levels between cameras (matching them). - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9F1A9EF9-4E23-48EA-8DCA-05431D0BD114 [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:32:23 -0500 you are FAR TOO POLITE... go ahead, , , say "strictly forbidden" it shouldn't offend anyone, , , On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Al Fitch wrote: In addition we ask that you please refrain from taking flash photography, as it is distracting to our performers. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:43:59 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed On 1/27/07 Michael Drury sent: >Great! Now I have "a certain Dylan song" stuck in my head, and the voices are singing along. >>Everybody must get stumped. You want some show tunes ? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Next ! One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: USITT Panelists needed Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <019401c7422a$d65ce3e0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Next ! > > > One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. A Chorus Line ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:09:25 GMT Subject: Re: Flying people Message-Id: <20070127.080934.15735.1090876 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Eric, Thank You for allowing Lauren to develop her own 'smell test' for the = evaluation of riggers that she may or may not wish to work with, = rather than just announcing what you would do under the situation. What is still uncertain is how would she, or anybody else, feel, if a = performer or stagehand was severely injured or killed on her 'watch'. /s/ Richard ________________________ Here are a few ways to tell if the person your theatre is hiring is even near qualified to set up a flying rig. 1. If he provides or asks you to buy a climbing harness to use as a 2 wire flying harness (flying done with wires going to the hips) he is not qualified. The loops on those harnesses are not designed for lifting, they are for clipping gear. 2. If he provides or asks you to buy a fall protection harness for a single wire flight he is not qualified. These harnesses are not designed for flying, although I have to say, you won't fall out if it fits properly. 3. If he uses pulleys bought at Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc.....He is not qualified. These pulleys are not designed for this. 4. If he uses cable clips (also called crosby clips, they look like small U-bolts) he is not qualified. Cable clips are at best only about 80% efficient meaning you are only left with 80% of the strength of the cable. You want as much of the rated strength of the cable as possible. You should only use swaged connections. These are also frequently called nicopress connections. They are copper colored oval shaped sleeves that are pressed on the cable with a special tool, not pliers.\ or vise grips. 5. If he uses aluminum sleeves instead of copper, he is not qualified. Keep in mind that sometimes there are copper sleeves plated with nickel. The aluminum sleeves are much lighter when you hold them. You can tell quite easily. Definitely do not use sleeves that come out of the little bag from Lowes or HD. These are made for dog runs and garage door openers, not much else. 6. If he uses cheap unrated clips to lock people into the system, he is not qualified. Hardware should always have a stamp on it telling you what it is rated for lifting. There are very few exceptions to this. Things like dog clips, those cheap little carabiners that come in a rainbow of colors at the hardware store are good for keys and.....oh yeah, dogs. There are many more, but these are a good place to start. Unfortunately it will most likely come down to you and your parents to decide if the system is safe. Use good judgment and ask the rigger lots of questions about the rig. If something does not look right, say something and expect an acceptable answer. Dont let him get away with, "cause that's the way it is, OK?". Ask us again! There is nothing wrong with you and your friends operating the system (if the system is safe). I used to do that sort of thing all the time when I was with Flying by Foy. Many times the teens were better than the parents, to be quite honest with you. As for = responsibility?.....well you sound pretty mature. I think you have that covered. Eric Rouse ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070127080717.039d0040 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:13:28 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Out of the Wings and Into the Wind In-Reply-To: References: >>Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" >Hey, what if you *ride* a Wing? Then what, huh??? Honda, huh? Uh, well . . . lessee . . . . Hmmm . . . "TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!" (And if you got a bike then you got *no* excuse not to join us!) Loren "Grits" Schreiber Long Reach Long Rider: "Out of the Wings and Into the Wind!" Supporting Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS and Behind the Scenes http://www.lrlr.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:13:39 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed On 1/27/07 Jeffrey E. Salzberg sent: > > Next ! > > >> One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. > >A Chorus Line Close, it's a line from the show, but I don't think it is a lyric (I may be wrong, I did not work the show). -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <68063acf0701270815i5721a34ledf12997701347ec [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:15:15 -0500 From: "Katrina Wiechmann" Subject: Re: Tape Shader In-Reply-To: References: I'm sorry this has nothing to do with the question, but... I'm still recovering from actually knowing where and when and by who that line is said. I love that show too. *sigh* It's a shame that it was cancelled... On 1/26/07, joreth [at] techie.com wrote: To quote one of my favorite TV shows "Machines just got workins and they speak to me". ------------------------------ From: joreth [at] techie.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:24:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Tape Shader Message-Id: <20070127162416.10B9383BE2 [at] ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com> >>Just a guess, but I believe the Shader sets up and maintains camera color balance, and answers to the TD calling the camera shots. Well, that's typically what I'm used to hearing a "Camera Shader" do. >>Usually Shader is the video engineer for the show, they use the term shad= er it a cheaper rate than an engineer. Tape Shader, guess you get control of all the camera iris's and color for the tape machine... But can't see anyone archive on tape these days as hard drives and DVD's are more unfaultable than tape. I just got a confirmation from the lead, my guess is that someone somewhere= mixed up the terms. I'll be a Tape Op, which I already know how to do qui= te well. Basically I cue up each video roll and I keep an eye on the recor= d decks. As for archiving on tape ... almost every show that comes through= here archives onto Beta still, although many also record to DVD. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:25:57 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/27/07 11:13 AM, "Eddie Kramer" wrote: >>> Next ! >>> >>> One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. >> >> A Chorus Line > > Close, it's a line from the show, but I don't think it is a lyric (I may be > wrong, I did not work the show). I did. And while it may have been something heard from emanating from Cassie's (the role, not the actor, Donna) dressing room, I don't believe it's a line from any of the songs. (the jokes lose their humor a bit when you have to qualify them, eh?) Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BB7C77.30903 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:23:19 +0200 From: Judy Subject: revolving stage > > >Indeed; but as for shooting the director and designer, I strongly >> disagree. Its their job to push the artistic envelope, and if he >> wants a permanently revolving stage with lights coming up and down, >> then isn't it our job to find the technology? I > >In this case, there apparently was no production meeting involving the >people that would have to accomplish this - the lighting designer and the >head electrician. > You are both so right! Of course there ought to have been a production meeting where this was discussed, and indeed there was not!. That is why I am SO glad to have been able to get all the input from this list. It was nice to find my frustration reflected, and it was helpful to read what you had to suggest! Thanks again! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:43:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Wireless speakers From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 'k. Steve On 1/26/07 10:21 PM, "CB" wrote: > > A simple 'Yeah' would've sufficed. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:52:11 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Cage Match? At 9:32 PM -0500 1/26/07, CB wrote: >>LOL, having met Dave, and having seen video of Chris, a sick part of me >>wants to find a neutral venue and build a hexagon... > >I am *NOT* afraid of Dave!!! >(I'm purdy sure that I can outrun him...) Probably so. I don't run any more. ...But you can't out-ride me. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net If Helen Keller had psychic ability, would you say that she had a "fourth sense"? ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:54:22 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: 50 /50 splitRe: Introductions Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com At 11:08 PM -0500 1/26/07, Rob Riddle wrote: >Kristi is right, no matter what her "source". A friend of mine is >the manager of one such house in Nevada. And as we all know, "a friend in need is a friend indeed." >ahem >'nough said from me. Yeah-right... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:01:15 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Flying people At 12:58 AM -0500 1/27/07, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >> HOWEVER! Keep in mind Paul's advice: if you are not confident >> in the rigger's qualifications > > >...If I may elaborate: > >He or she may be a qualified rigger in all other respects, but flying humans >has unique requirements. If s/he's not specifically qualified to fly >humans, run. True words here. I've been rigging in the theatre and arenas for over twenty-two years, and I don't consider myself "pro" enough at flying humans to do it myself, even though I was a Foy tech on two tours. That kind of knowledge and expertise takes a *lot* of hard training to accomplish; much more than I have under my belt. When in doubt, either call the REAL pros or walk away. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Vikings? There ain't no Vikings here; just us honest farmers... The town was burning & the villagers were dead when we got here. They didn't need those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:12:14 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Cage Match? In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Rigger wrote: > At 9:32 PM -0500 1/26/07, CB wrote: >> I am *NOT* afraid of Dave!!! >> (I'm purdy sure that I can outrun him...) > > > Probably so. I don't run any more. > > ...But you can't out-ride me. > > -- > Dave Vick I see only one way to resolve this. I guess we'll be seeing both of your smiling faces with us this year for the LRLR? We'll gather in Philly on 7/28 for a big ol' throwdown at Bill's house, then leave bright and early 7/29 to see the sights and sites of New England. And if anyone wants to come to Boone two-three days beforehand, we're planning on taking the Blue Ridge Parkway/Skyline Drive/ Harper's Ferry route to Philly again. It should set the mood and the pace for our leisurely jaunt this year. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:34:28 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Full Monty Sign At 9:15 AM -0500 1/27/07, Gregg Carville wrote: >How many of us worked on this show? > >I ALD'd the tour Andy is talking about and without going into the >archives of my paperwork I believe he is on the nose with the >hardware. And since this was the same design (Howell Binkley) as B'way >- the sign kicked out a lot of light & heat. (The C7's & strobes were >just flash for the build up) The q'ing sequence for the sign was quite >something too. [*raises hand*] Me, but I was just the local ME when the tour came to East Lansing, so I don't know from nothin'. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Those who do not learn from Usenet will be doomed to reimplement it... Poorly." -- Timothy Larson, alt.games.marathon ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:38:39 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? At 7:25 AM -0800 1/27/07, Al Fitch wrote: >The following is my newly edited pre-show >announcement. Have I missed anything? How'bout something to the effect of: "We all know how a tickle in the throat will develop into a cough at the wrong moment. Why not unwrap your throat losenges now, instead of during the quietest spot in the performance?" Okay, maybe not. -- -D.Vick rigger [at] tds.net "They say travel broadens the mind... So I went over the falls in a barrel." --Thos. Dolby, "I Live In A Suitcase" ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:40:27 -0500 Again! Step, kick.......... At least that is the one that I can remember Susan Nicholson Lighting Designer 917-621-6298 "We are the Music Makers and we are the Dreamers of the Dream"-Willy Wonka From: Eddie Kramer Reply-To: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:13:39 -0500 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 1/27/07 Jeffrey E. Salzberg sent: > > Next ! > > >> One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. > >A Chorus Line Close, it's a line from the show, but I don't think it is a lyric (I may be wrong, I did not work the show). -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:41:07 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Out of the Wings and Into the Wind At 8:13 AM -0800 1/27/07, Loren Schreiber wrote: >(And if you got a bike then you got *no* excuse not to join us!) ...Except if you have to work, which is what's happened to me for the past three years. grumble-grumble-grumble... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism." -- Type O Negative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:46:23 -0500 there are symphony halls that make an announcement that is similar, , and a few have Hall's Cough drops available gratis in the lobby.... On Jan 27, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Rigger wrote: How'bout something to the effect of: "We all know how a tickle in the throat will develop into a cough at the wrong moment. Why not unwrap your throat losenges now, instead of during the quietest spot in the performance?" Okay, maybe not. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:53:34 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13687577.1169912831782.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Well two of them should be. "The answer" should be from "The Times They are a changing" ...but I didn't see it. "Next" should be form Sweeney Todd but it's more form the meat pie's duet when he's killing people and she's singing about her pies. On 1/27/07 10:43 AM, "Eddie Kramer" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 1/27/07 Michael Drury sent: > >> Great! Now I have "a certain Dylan song" stuck in my head, and the voices are >> singing along. >>> Everybody must get stumped. > > You want some show tunes ? > > The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. > > You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. > > Next ! > > > One of the three above is a line from a show tune ... name the show. > > > > Eddie -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:00:46 -0600 Subject: House lights From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: The university I work at is looking at new lamps to use in the auditorium lights. They proposed the flourescent floods which they say are dimmable.(it says so on the box) I am concerned with their ability to be used at low intensity and also if they bump when they fade up to a full intensity. Currently they do the typical flash as all flourescent lamps do. Questions 1. Anyone have experience with these types of lamps? I have 150 watt lamps in them now, need something with comparable light output 2. Anyone have experience with using LED type lamps for this use. I would love to have a dimmable light which is energy efficient. 3. Should we just suck it up and use the 150 watt incandescent lamps? They don't want to replace fixtures at this time, they are swag type with a standard screw base. Thanks in advance. -- Philip Johnson Professor of Theatre Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Internally threaded bolt Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:04:14 +0000 Message-Id: <20070127180414.OTFN26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/01/26 Fri AM 03:08:46 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Internally threaded bolt > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Anyone know where I could find a bolt with internal threads instead of > > external threads? Basically I want a hollow tube, threaded on the > > inside, with a head on one end. Any ideas? What size? For shortish, thin ones, electronics parts suppliers used to sell a range of hexagonal threaded spacers. They are very good for mounting printed circuit boards in cases. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5C591D48-9174-4D74-A0AE-C79A223E57DD [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:24:36 -0500 Jim wrote: > > I wrote: >> Ah, but sometimes the best way to learn is not to see world class >> performances, but to see bad productions. > > Just as a clarification - for "bad productions" I was not specifically > referring to the shows you are passing up on, I was referring to bad > productions in general. And we all end up working on bad productions. Sometimes you see that fact from a long ways out and sometimes you don't realize it until we're finished. But it isn't about your abilities any more than its about the script or director or actors. Fact is, a bad production is a combination of a lot of little wrong things that add up. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that. The key to being a truly good designer, technician, director, actor, or stage manager, I think is to be able to recognize when your own contribution is degrading the whole at the moment it's happening. Then you have a chance to turn things around and take the production in a better direction. This is a difficult thing to learn and requires some humility. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: electricity to revolving stage Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:30:22 +0000 Message-Id: <20070127183022.SZMH29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Dorian Kelly > Date: 2007/01/26 Fri AM 11:19:39 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >--------------------------------------------------- > > Indeed; but as for shooting the director and designer, I strongly > disagree. Its their job to push the artistic envelope, and if he > wants a permanently revolving stage with lights coming up and down, > then isn't it our job to find the technology? Its not exactly rocket > science. If it is genuinely impossible to find a solution then so be > it, but very few challenges fall into that category, and they will > always be apparent at the production meeting. Two little words missing, Dorian. "Within budget". There are known engineering solutions to the problem, yes. But to implement them properly and safely, not to mention reliably, is expensive and difficult. At least, without the resources of an engineering workshop. That is one of the things we stage craftsmen and craftswomen are for: picking up technical problems early, and pointing out the consequences, both technical and financial. From the original post, this does not appear to have been done, because we were not included in the original design discussions, but presented with a fait accompli. > > Dorian > -- > Illuminati Creative Technology 3 Gladstone Road Colchester Essex UK > +44 1206 798076 07770 950964 mailto:Info [at] theatrearts.biz > http://www.theatrearts.biz > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:40:35 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <664771834.20070127134035 [at] tcon.net> Subject: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: > How old are the people on this list anyway? The Indianapolis Colts are going to play in the Super Bowl in honor of my birthday where I'll be REALLY close to sixty years old, and I have given Peyton Manning permission to forego any more appropriate birthday gift in favor of winning this one game for this Gipper. GO COLTS! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:45:52 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <307377965.20070127134552 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Howdy all! Mike Brubaker shared his pix from the roof of the Chase building downtown while shivering in the cold...THAT is why young men win wars! Thanks for the pics, but you didn't include any of the mountains! BTW, if you download the larger version of the last picture to see the pyramids, you can ALSO see the cell tower cleverly disguised as a flag pole at the VFW post at 65th & Westfield, four buildings south of my humble keyboarding place.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701271047w54a0cbferb4b1ca5207b403fc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:47:15 -0800 From: Myself Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/27/07, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > > Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: > > > How old are the people on this list anyway? > > The Indianapolis Colts are going to play in the Super Bowl in honor of > my birthday where I'll be REALLY close to sixty years old, and I have > given Peyton Manning permission to forego any more appropriate > birthday gift in favor of winning this one game for this Gipper. > Uhh, There has not been a Colts team since the Baltimore Colts left B'more in the dead of night... Used to watch their Summer camp with Johnny Unitas, and Bubba Smith....Thats how Old I am. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:57:56 +0000 Message-Id: <20070127185756.CQUA219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Chip Wood > Date: 2007/01/26 Fri PM 07:27:42 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sara Rechnitzer wrote: > > > > I am a senior basketball player/religious studies major > > > Now there's a combination you rarely see backstage. If we're into odd combinations, a friend of mine on my Diploma is Education course had done Part 1 in Engineering, and Part 2 in Theology. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Susan Nicholson" Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:09:32 -0500 we stole them fair and square in the middle of the night (though I don't really remember i was five)! GO COLTS! >Uhh, There has not been a Colts team since the Baltimore Colts left B'more in the dead of night... Thats how Old I am. Susan Nicholson Lighting Designer 917-621-6298 "We are the Music Makers and we are the Dreamers of the Dream"-Willy Wonka _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:12:16 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? How old am I? In hex I'm 2E. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Beautiful young people are acts of nature, but beautiful old people are works of art." --Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:15:14 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy In-reply-to: Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <00a601c74247$7b0e8990$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> I just don't know how y'all live in such a flat place. I think I would actually go crazy. To each his own I suppose. I'll take my hills, mountains, and winding roads of the northeast thank you very much. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E. Merrill Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:46 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Thanks for the pics, but you didn't include any of the mountains! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:18:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c74247$f4f7a4d0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > From: Rigger [mailto:rigger [at] tds.net] > > How old am I? In hex I'm 2E. Yer a kid. I'm coming up on 00110111. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BBA72D.1090702 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:25:33 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Tape Shader References: In-Reply-To: joreth [at] techie.com wrote: > keep an eye on the record decks. As for archiving on tape ... almost > every show that comes through here archives onto Beta still, although > many also record to DVD. Yep, apparently Beta is still the medium of choice for long-term storage. As I understand it, the problem with digital storage is (a) it doesn't last as long and (b) there's a huge concern about long-term compatibility - 25 years from now, will you be able to read a DVD created today? Personally, I'm not totally convinced. With analog media such as Beta, not only does the quality degrade over time, but also when you transfer it to a new tape for backup you lose quality. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:22:46 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Powered Speakers In-reply-to: Message-id: <2418F97A-71E8-4A35-84BA-E353F45C0F19 [at] appstate.edu> References: On Jan 27, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Gregg Carville wrote: > We are looking at getting some powered speakers that will act as > multifunction units. Gregg, Of course it depends on what you're going to put through them, but I think you should check out the JBL Eon G215's (http:// www.jblpro.com/eong2/index.htm). While the G210's have a smaller profile which may make them more attractive as floor monitors, they don't have nearly as much punch as their big brothers, and the price difference is negligible compared to the performance difference. If you're quoted a price much over $595 (each) for them, give me a shout off-list. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0701271215j7a6d7420g11154f75509c3837 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:15:51 -0800 From: "Paul Puppo" Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: References:

I know a stage manager who used to make an announcement that said something like: "if you have any pagers, cell phones, church bells or train whistles, please turn them off now. And if you are the sort of person that has to have a piece of hard candy that has a wrapper that sounds like this: (she would crinkle a piece of gel in to the mic) please do it now. Thank you, and enjoy blah, blah, blah... Paul Puppo ILLUMINEERING http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 1/27/07, Rigger wrote: > How'bout something to the effect of: "We all know how a tickle in > the throat will develop into a cough at the wrong moment. Why not > unwrap your throat losenges now, instead of during the quietest spot > in the performance?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:15:32 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070127121215.01f0e1b8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 11:12 AM 1/27/2007, Rigger wrote: >How old am I? In hex I'm 2E. In octal I'm 62 (programmer's years, like dog years). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:23:04 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070127.122342.8266.1158293 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Lets just say that I have throw away MANY invitations to join AARP... /s/ Richard At 11:12 AM 1/27/2007, Rigger wrote: >How old am I? In hex I'm 2E. In octal I'm 62 (programmer's years, like dog years). -- = Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <00ef01c74251$7d91a670$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Probably, like the 25 years that Delbert speaks of, I could note some years too, and add some items to his list. It is a good, good start. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:16 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Lauren, Let me addres this issue as a professional who has worked in the performer flying business for over 25 years. Pauls is correct, after the flying director trains the cast and crew, he leaves the show in their hand. Typically everyone who flys and operates the equipment signs a wavier. If they are under 18, a parent must also sign. But yes, high school students can operate the systems. Contacting a professional flying company will be of no use to you unless you are asking them for a quote. Since your theatre has already hired someone to do the flying, you will be waisting your and their time. Paul is also correct that this professional rigger may or may not be qualified to fly people. This is a very specialized area of rigging. Everyone appreciates your concern, but this rigger my be qualified to fly performers and might do a very good job. We honestly do not know. So, let me give you some things to look for as the job is being rigged. 1) The flying harnesses are "flying harnesses" (not homemade, not climbing harnesses, not fall arrest harnesses) AMSPEC and Climbing Sutra are two of the leading manufacturers of flying harnesses. 2) All hardware is rated. And no carabiners allowed. 3) All cable terminations are swaged (no cable clips). 4) Ask the rigger the size of the cable that is supporting the performers. It should be 3/32" or 1/8" 5) If a track is used, it should not be curtain track, but a track where the sections bolt together. 6) Look at how the cable attaches to the harnesses. there are lots of acceptable and unacceptable ways to do this. 7) Do the systems look well designed and built? Some performer flying systems are very simple. Simple is fine, but is it well built? You will know so when you see it. 8) The arbors of the battens that hold the flying systems should be chained to the locking rails so that they cannot move. 9) The flying operators should be well instructed on how the systems work and how to operate them. 10) Some flying is more difficult that others. Does the rigger/flying director seem to know what he is doing or is he "making it up?" There is so much that could be said here, but I will leave it here. Feel free to contact me privately and you get into the install and the flying rehearsals. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <010801c74251$80239bf0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Perhaps, like many of you??? I would agree with many of the comments and recommendations, esp. Richard's. And refer you to a number of articles I have written about flying, and the years that I worked with Peter Foy, etc. etc. etc. etc. Flying anything in the theater is unique, in my opinion. Flying people is at the top of the list, and it takes consummate professionals who have a long history of successfully doing this type of work. I only have five or six law suits that involved schools, colleges, flying people, sans professional help. Major, long lasting injuries, pain, et al. The decisions to fly or not, and to evaluate the professionality of the persons or persons to do the flying or what equipment, must be left to top rate professionals, and their companies who do this type of work and have a )excuse the term) a successful track record and solid references from people in the industry. All else, in my opinion, is foolhardy and the consequences can be horrific. Dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:09 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dear Eric, Thank You for allowing Lauren to develop her own 'smell test' for the evaluation of riggers that she may or may not wish to work with, rather than just announcing what you would do under the situation. What is still uncertain is how would she, or anybody else, feel, if a performer or stagehand was severely injured or killed on her 'watch'. /s/ Richard ________________________ Here are a few ways to tell if the person your theatre is hiring is even near qualified to set up a flying rig. 1. If he provides or asks you to buy a climbing harness to use as a 2 wire flying harness (flying done with wires going to the hips) he is not qualified. The loops on those harnesses are not designed for lifting, they are for clipping gear. 2. If he provides or asks you to buy a fall protection harness for a single wire flight he is not qualified. These harnesses are not designed for flying, although I have to say, you won't fall out if it fits properly. 3. If he uses pulleys bought at Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc.....He is not qualified. These pulleys are not designed for this. 4. If he uses cable clips (also called crosby clips, they look like small U-bolts) he is not qualified. Cable clips are at best only about 80% efficient meaning you are only left with 80% of the strength of the cable. You want as much of the rated strength of the cable as possible. You should only use swaged connections. These are also frequently called nicopress connections. They are copper colored oval shaped sleeves that are pressed on the cable with a special tool, not pliers.\ or vise grips. 5. If he uses aluminum sleeves instead of copper, he is not qualified. Keep in mind that sometimes there are copper sleeves plated with nickel. The aluminum sleeves are much lighter when you hold them. You can tell quite easily. Definitely do not use sleeves that come out of the little bag from Lowes or HD. These are made for dog runs and garage door openers, not much else. 6. If he uses cheap unrated clips to lock people into the system, he is not qualified. Hardware should always have a stamp on it telling you what it is rated for lifting. There are very few exceptions to this. Things like dog clips, those cheap little carabiners that come in a rainbow of colors at the hardware store are good for keys and.....oh yeah, dogs. There are many more, but these are a good place to start. Unfortunately it will most likely come down to you and your parents to decide if the system is safe. Use good judgment and ask the rigger lots of questions about the rig. If something does not look right, say something and expect an acceptable answer. Dont let him get away with, "cause that's the way it is, OK?". Ask us again! There is nothing wrong with you and your friends operating the system (if the system is safe). I used to do that sort of thing all the time when I was with Flying by Foy. Many times the teens were better than the parents, to be quite honest with you. As for responsibility?.....well you sound pretty mature. I think you have that covered. Eric Rouse ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:26:53 -0700 Message-ID: <011101c74251$815e65e0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Always a good idea ....get the drop on everyone else. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of KEITH ARSENAULT Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:46 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- there are symphony halls that make an announcement that is similar, , and a few have Hall's Cough drops available gratis in the lobby.... On Jan 27, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Rigger wrote: How'bout something to the effect of: "We all know how a tickle in the throat will develop into a cough at the wrong moment. Why not unwrap your throat losenges now, instead of during the quietest spot in the performance?" Okay, maybe not. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') References:

Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:26:53 -0700 Message-ID: <011c01c74251$81b69800$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Is 77 years o.k.? Although I do not watch sports ....Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E. Merrill Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:41 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: How old ARE you people anyway? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Howdy ! Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: > How old are the people on this list anyway? The Indianapolis Colts are going to play in the Super Bowl in honor of my birthday where I'll be REALLY close to sixty years old, and I have given Peyton Manning permission to forego any more appropriate birthday gift in favor of winning this one game for this Gipper. GO COLTS! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002201c74250$6b5814e0$6500a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" References:

Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:19:16 -0600 > you are FAR TOO POLITE... > > go ahead, , , say "strictly forbidden" it shouldn't offend > anyone, , , I agree. Maybe some version of this.... "For the safety of our performers and as a courtesy those seated around you flash photography is strictly forbidden." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, RD wrote: > Is 77 years o.k.? OK for what? You've got 20 years on me... Charlie | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:37:16 -0700 Message-ID: <013e01c74252$f0292bd0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Got it. Now you are talking. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of John Gibilisco Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:19 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > you are FAR TOO POLITE... > > go ahead, , , say "strictly forbidden" it shouldn't offend > anyone, , , I agree. Maybe some version of this.... "For the safety of our performers and as a courtesy those seated around you flash photography is strictly forbidden." ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BBBCB8.9020405 [at] fuse.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:57:28 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Flying people References:

In-Reply-To: Richard wrote: > Dear Eric, Thank You for allowing Lauren to develop her own 'smell > test' for the evaluation of riggers that she may or may not wish to > work with, rather than just announcing what you would do under the > situation. > > What is still uncertain is how would she, or anybody else, feel, if a > performer or stagehand was severely injured or killed on her > 'watch'. /s/ Richard Doom wrote...(top posting corrected) > Perhaps, like many of you??? I would agree with many of the comments > and recommendations, esp. Richard's. And refer you to a number of > articles I have written about flying, and the years that I worked > with Peter Foy, etc. > etc. etc. etc. Flying anything in the theater is unique, in my > opinion. Flying people is at the top of the list, and it takes > consummate professionals who have a long history of successfully > doing this type of work. I only have five or six law suits that > involved schools, colleges, flying people, sans professional help. > Major, long lasting injuries, pain, et al. The decisions to fly or > not, and to evaluate the professionality of the persons or persons to > do the flying or what equipment, must be left to top rate > professionals, and their companies who do this type of work and have a > )excuse the term) a successful track record and solid references from > people > in the industry. All else, in my opinion, is foolhardy and the consequences > can be horrific. Dr. doom > OK, how did Foy become Foy? By following the sort of guidelines that Eric suggested Lauren should look for. Even if Foy rigged the gig, it would be wise for Lauren to watch for this stuff. If somebody else does it with similar care and quality gear, and there is liability protection in place, why not. If Foy were to try to start up today Doom would seem to be the first in line to close them down for not being Foy. Second...What is the big thing about Foy here anyhow, as far as I know, no person who is actively involved in Foy company operations is an active contributor to this list. Delbert Hall, and Tracy Nunnally are both contributors to this list, and both professionals at flying people, let's keep it local. Stuart ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c74254$5d112800$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > "For the safety of our performers and as a courtesy those > seated around you flash photography is strictly forbidden." "One of our audience members tonight just served five years for assaulting someone who talked during a performance. We don't know where he's sitting, so you should probably assume he's next to you." ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:48:15 -0700 Message-ID: <014801c74254$78598fd0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: That seems a bit stupid and nasty, but consider the source, in my opinion. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Wheaton Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Richard wrote: > Dear Eric, Thank You for allowing Lauren to develop her own 'smell > test' for the evaluation of riggers that she may or may not wish to > work with, rather than just announcing what you would do under the > situation. > > What is still uncertain is how would she, or anybody else, feel, if a > performer or stagehand was severely injured or killed on her > 'watch'. /s/ Richard Doom wrote...(top posting corrected) > Perhaps, like many of you??? I would agree with many of the comments > and recommendations, esp. Richard's. And refer you to a number of > articles I have written about flying, and the years that I worked > with Peter Foy, etc. > etc. etc. etc. Flying anything in the theater is unique, in my > opinion. Flying people is at the top of the list, and it takes > consummate professionals who have a long history of successfully > doing this type of work. I only have five or six law suits that > involved schools, colleges, flying people, sans professional help. > Major, long lasting injuries, pain, et al. The decisions to fly or > not, and to evaluate the professionality of the persons or persons to > do the flying or what equipment, must be left to top rate > professionals, and their companies who do this type of work and have a > )excuse the term) a successful track record and solid references from > people > in the industry. All else, in my opinion, is foolhardy and the consequences > can be horrific. Dr. doom > OK, how did Foy become Foy? By following the sort of guidelines that Eric suggested Lauren should look for. Even if Foy rigged the gig, it would be wise for Lauren to watch for this stuff. If somebody else does it with similar care and quality gear, and there is liability protection in place, why not. If Foy were to try to start up today Doom would seem to be the first in line to close them down for not being Foy. Second...What is the big thing about Foy here anyhow, as far as I know, no person who is actively involved in Foy company operations is an active contributor to this list. Delbert Hall, and Tracy Nunnally are both contributors to this list, and both professionals at flying people, let's keep it local. Stuart ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <68AB8CD4-DF0E-4028-896D-BCF02226971A [at] aol.com> From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:55:10 -0500 as some of you may know , , , one of my other life's is as a Circus Ringmaster, , ( infrequent but it is on my resume ) as such I often say "in accordance with Federal Law and International Regulation the use of any audio or video recording device with the expressed written consent of management is strictly forbidden" is that accurate?, , , well probably not, , but in the grand tradition of the Circus, , a little exaggeration is ALWAYS in order, , , Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:01:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c74256$42743080$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > "in accordance with Federal Law and International Regulation .... > > is that accurate? NYC law prohibits cell phone use. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:07:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Flying people From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/27/07 3:57 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" wrote: > Second...What is the big thing about Foy here anyhow, as far as I know, > no person who is actively involved in Foy company operations is an > active contributor to this list. Delbert Hall, and Tracy Nunnally are > both contributors to this list, and both professionals at flying people, > let's keep it local. And that, IMHO would be a classic example of cutting your nose off to spite your face. I have no issues with Delbert or Tracy. To my knowledge they both do fine work. But you cannot dismiss a company, and by inference, a man, simply because they aren't represented here. I suspect that Randy refers to Foy because of the very long and deep relationship that he had with Peter and Peter's family. Am I right Randy? My relationship with Peter should also be well known. While I will always advocate for purchasing/dealing with the list-members first and foremost, I have not and will not advocate ignoring others simply because they do not participate here. Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile Kristi. Not a word! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6c627fdc0701271312h466b69b6of2e9ab4da3193a76 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:12:57 -0600 From: "Kelly Smith" Subject: Re: Traveling to URTA In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/23/07, Susan Nicholson wrote: > Fed Ex to the hotel. Or if you brave as I was, I took them on the plane and > put them in the first class closet (assuming you are not flying a puddle > jumper). Good luck! Take notes after the day is out. I met with a lot of > schools that day and didn't have time during the 15 mins. So at the end of > day I made a list. Also, candy is helpful to have on your display table > both for you as the day progress and for the people looking at you. Thank you for your advice Susan! I very much appreciate it! I think I may try to be brave and take it on the plane. Someone told me that if I make a box for it I can check it. I might try that. >Can you imagine the reaction to that dagger >today???!!!!??? Speaking of objects you can't get away with taking on planes now, about 2 years ago I was flying to New York to work on a show and had forgotten to move my crescent wrench from my shoulder bag to my suitcase. They discovered it at the security checkpoint and took it away from me. It was so sad! What did they think I would do with it? Bang someone on the head or something? I could just as easily do that with my shoe or the nearest laptop. My next wrench after that one was taken from me when my car was broken into and my bag stolen a few months later. So far my current wrench is holding on but I'm curious how it'll escape me. -Kelly Smith Lighting Designer Chair - USITT Student Chapter at UTA ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <71C38D24-363B-47CB-A2E3-2DC3DD3A54B2 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:46:09 -0500 >> How old am I? In hex I'm 2E. > > In octal I'm 62 (programmer's years, like dog years). When in Rome .... I'm L Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1113 ******************************