Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41774679; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:02:06 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41774676; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:02:05 -0800 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,PRXY_USER_BODY_VALIUM,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1116 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:01:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1116 1. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Charlie Fraser 2. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Andrew Vance 3. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by 4. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jim Hyslop 5. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 6. Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) by Jim Hyslop 7. Re: flying people-why? by Jim Hyslop 8. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by 9. Re: Flying people by Jim Hyslop 10. EDTA by SS 11. Re: All the Montclair students by 12. Re: Student introductions by CB 13. Re: Wireless speakers by CB 14. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 15. Re: Introductions by CB 16. Re: flying people-why? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 17. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 18. Re: Introductions by CB 19. Re: All the Montclair students by CB 20. Re: All the Montclair students by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 21. Re: Movies & PA by CB 22. Re: Stomp the TDs by CB 23. Re: Tape Shader by CB 24. Powered Speakers by CB 25. Re: All the Montclair students by "Paul Schreiner" 26. Re: USITT Panelists needed by CB 27. Re: Cage Match? by CB 28. Re: Tape Shader by CB 29. Hello-Salaam by "Kobra Ahmadi" 30. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Brooke Carlson" 31. Re: how old?? by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 32. Re: how old?? by Charlie Richmond 33. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 34. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by CB 35. Fight Choreography (Strangulation) by CB 36. Re: Slick Surfaces - OT by "Rob Riddle" 37. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Tom Heemskerk" 38. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by CB 39. Re: how old?? by "Michael Powers" 40. Re: how old?? by "Michael Powers" 41. Re: House lights by "Mitch Hefter" 42. Re: how old?? by Bruce Purdy 43. Re: how old?? by Charlie Richmond 44. Re: Hello-Salaam by Ford Sellers 45. Re: how old?? by "Paul Schreiner" 46. Re: All the Montclair students by "Jon Ares" 47. Re: how old?? by "Bill Nelson" 48. Re: Hello-Salaam by Simon 49. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Vicki Palmer" 50. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Bill Nelson" 51. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Eric Montague 52. Re: Movies & PA by "Brian Munroe" 53. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Brian Munroe" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <45BD2299.4090709 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:24:25 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: Part of our announcement consists of "Center Players is a non-smoking theater, if we see you smoking we will assume you are on fire and put you out". We actually have a guy how pre-records the announcements and does various characters the audience gets a charge out of them. Charlie Paul Puppo wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know a stage manager who used to make an announcement that said > something like: > > "if you have any pagers, cell phones, church bells or train whistles, > please turn them off now. And if you are the sort of person that has > to have a piece of hard candy that has a wrapper that sounds like > this: (she would crinkle a piece of gel in to the mic) please do it > now. Thank you, and enjoy blah, blah, blah... > > Paul Puppo > ILLUMINEERING > http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com > > > On 1/27/07, Rigger wrote: > >> How'bout something to the effect of: "We all know how a tickle in >> the throat will develop into a cough at the wrong moment. Why not >> unwrap your throat losenges now, instead of during the quietest spot >> in the performance?" > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:32:00 -0500 On 28 Jan, 2007, at 17:17 , Rigger wrote: > Especially in rock clubs, I should think. I would imagine that as well, but I have no first hand knowledge of that. The ones around here all filled up with people half my age listening to music that's way too loud for my fragile ears. : ) -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:38:46 +0000 Message-Id: <20070128223846.DFLM26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: KEITH ARSENAULT > Date: 2007/01/27 Sat PM 03:32:23 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > you are FAR TOO POLITE... > > go ahead, , , say "strictly forbidden" it shouldn't offend > anyone, , , > > > On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Al Fitch wrote: > > In addition we ask that you please refrain from taking > flash photography, as it is distracting to our > performers. It always defeats me as to what such camera users think they will gain, although I appreciate that many cameras fire the flash when THEY think it appropriate. In quite a small theatre, I have often got about 15KW of light on the stage. What do they, or their cameras think they can add to that? In bigger theatres, and at longer ranges, it's just a bad joke. And, as you say, a distraction. My own cameras suggest firing the flash, but they require my sanction to do it. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BD268D.10808 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:41:17 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Hey! No fair using dead languages! -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:46:49 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References:

> Agreed, but... My point (and I believe Stuart's as well) was that it is > quite easy to infer from many of the messages "You must go with Foy > because they're the best." Surely there must be other companies with > competence in flying people, with prices that are more likely to be > within the theatre company's budget. Stuart point is that members of this list should support other (vender) members who freely give advice on this list, by giving them their business when possible. This feeling has been expressed here many times in the past. We all know who contributes regually to this list and Stuart is suggesting that members of this list look at these companies first. Flying by Foy is the oldest flying effects company in the US (If you want the oldest in the world you need to look at Kirby's Aerial Ballet, where Peter Foy got his training in flying performers), but that does not mean that they are the best. I probably know more (on the whole) about the three major flying effects companies in the US (Foy, HAFE, and ZFX) than anyone on this list. Trust me, each one has it strengths and weaknesses. I am not going to compare these companies on a public forum list like this one, but some are better at some things than the others. They all have good reputations and can do almost any effect needed. If you need a flying effect, you should compare for yourself. But if no one stands out as being the best for your needs, follow Stuart's advice and go with someone who contributes to this list. That is my opinion. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BD2836.9020204 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:48:22 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) References: In-Reply-To: Timothy Nielsen wrote: > I'm the fight choreographer for a production of True West. One of the > characters is called upon to > strangle the other with a telephone cord, and I've been researching > safe ways to do this. My research, however, > has not been the most productive in detailed explanations as to how to > perform this in the safest manner. What about using something that has a very low tensile strength, so that if the actor doing the strangling gets carried away the "cord" breaks instead of doing harm? I'm thinking a string of licorice might work... -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BD2935.8010204 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:52:37 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: flying people-why? References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > Flying was achieved by ropes tied to the pipes and hanging down, ending in a > foot loop. When someone needed to fly they put their foot in the loop and > swung. Peter's was special. No foot loop but a tire. A real car tire. > (small car). Whenever Peter flew he (she) sat in the tire. [...] > It's about the show, not the effects. The director, a young woman named > Temmie (?) understood that. The entire showed played to the theme of > letting the kids use their imagination, not have one forced upon them. Brilliant! I think it would be hard to find a child that has never sat in a swing and imagined soaring miles above the ground. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:56:23 +0000 Message-Id: <20070128225623.GYKA29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Frank E. Merrill" > Date: 2007/01/27 Sat PM 06:40:35 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: How old ARE you people anyway? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: > > > How old are the people on this list anyway? Anything from their twenties to their late sixties. Some even older. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BD2C39.7010200 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:05:29 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Flying people References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: > Isn't it amazing how many people say they don't have the budget [...] What I'm finding amazing is the judgemental attitude being displayed by by many people on the list, and the unjustified conclusions that are being jumped to. Lauren said that "a professional who works at the larger theatre" was being brought in. Most of the respondents in this thread have automatically assumed that the professional is, at best, an ordinary stagehand who barely knows the difference between a trim chain and a turnbuckle. What if he/she is a semi-retired former employee of Foy? Using terms like "Joe-local rock climber" is condescending and completely uncalled for. Until we KNOW this person's abilities, we MUST refrain from making judgements or jumping to conclusions. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701281513y6ce3086dx5acbb38ffe9b1a94 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:13:30 -0500 From: SS Subject: EDTA Hello list!! I was wondering if any of you were members of the Educational Theatre Association. And if so, at what grade level do you teach/represent? Anyone a member who is a college prof? Feel free to email me off list. I am looking for some information regarding the EDTA. TIA. -- SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:22:54 +0000 Message-Id: <20070128232256.PFDH17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Herrick Goldman > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun AM 12:26:28 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: All the Montclair students > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Well Frank we don't know where Londoner is either. Simulating stupid and ignorant is one thing; acting like you believe it is another. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128162304.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:23:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Student introductions >Thanks for including me in that august body. But I should point out that >the plural of Sapsis is Sapsi. I think that 'Sapsis' would be a third declension, no? So it should be 'Sapses' to be pluralised. 'Sapsus' would truly be pluralised 'Sapsi', or 'Sapsii'. Ah, It's all latin grammar to me... Anyhoo, it seems to me that having the students look at the list is a really good thing, cause the list is a really good thing. Assigning them to post is maybe not the best way to introduce them, as a good half of them aren't gonna want to, and we really only want to hear from folk that *want* to post hear, not necessarily those that *have* to. Other than it's a really good way to tell which of your students have completed an assignment, there isn't really a reason to insist that they actually post. I think that that isn't really in the best interest of the list, and maybe there was a bit of guilt associated with demanding an apology for someone very politely, respectfully, and considerately asking if this was the best use of the list. Remember, if you assign your students to read this list, theyll be reading everything we post about you, you may want to reconsider your manners. Oh, and sutedents? Welcome! It's a fun lot, but there is a low tolerance for wastrels and ego-kmaniacs. We keep a few of them around, just to beat on tehm once in a while, and you have to realise that we seriously love it. I know, it looks like we're fighting. We are, jsut try not to get any one ya. Go, right now while you're at the computer, to and read them twice. Twice. Really. It'll keep you from looking like an ass in front of your fellow students, your instructors, and your future peers. There are those that have been posting here for years, and still haven't figured out how to trim their own replies, happily post sigs that are fiveto ten times longer than their input (that is, if you don't count the five serial-replies that they're also re-re-re-re-requoting...) and yet feel comfortable commenting on highly technical solutions to highly technical problems. If I have any advice to you about your technical futures, it would be this: Be considerate of others, and do the easy stuff right or no one will think you can do the hard stuff at all. Mop a floor like you loved it, and, there isn't anyone that's to good, too special, or too important to grab a mop. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128162924.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:29:24 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: Wireless speakers >Yes, both in England and in France. Nest time you're in France, try to research what the location was in upper class living conditions in Paris in the forties, wouldja? Get back to me soonest... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:56:07 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <329251.96580.qm [at] web84012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Andrew Vance wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 28 Jan, 2007, at 17:01 , MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > > Also having (spot) lights or ushers indicate where > the emergency > > exits are > > as part of that line (think pre-flight safety > announcement on an > > airplane) > > helps folks to get it. You'd be surprised how many > people don't > > know left from > > right. > > In Rhode Island, I think its law now that pointing > out emergency > exits and encouraging patrons to locate the one > nearest them are part > of the pre-show announcement. It seems sort of customary to tell users of the theatre that there is a law on the books requiring the announcement at the places I have worked. I don't know if that is actually true but believe that the announcements don't do much good. Today I was at a Dance concert at my former place of employment. I know they played the announcement because i heard the first few words. I don't recall hearing anything in particular about what the person was saying. It could be that I tuned it out because I had heard it for 7 years or it could be I heard what everyone else hears...nothing. The airplane/flight attendant idea was never my cup of tea. I figure if it is treated completely like a joke the audience will not focus at all on the information. They just laugh to support the announcer who may or may not be using this method to feel more comfortable on stage in front of the audience. Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128163212.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:32:12 From: CB Subject: RE: Introductions >> That said, prostitutes in legal brothels make about 10x >Well, I'm in the wrong line o' work. >(C'mon, all y'all were thinking the same thing.) We are in the same line of work. Just yesterday a client screwed me out of a meal penalty *and* the meal. I'm just a two-bit theatre whore instead of a high class call girl with stuff like a 10x/2 paycheck and frivolities like health care. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: flying people-why? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:05:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c74339$2bc49990$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Peter Pan without flying would be akin to a Nutcracker > without a Christmas tree or a Mother Ginger. Actually, quite a few Nutcrackers use jesters and candy canes in lieu of Mother Ginger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <32232.64267.qm [at] web84015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I replied to a quote from this post just now. Oops! I do like the flash light idea using ushers to point the exits out better then the spot, especially since most of my shows are spotopless. Also asking that all cell phones be turned off last is a great suggestion. Do many people still use pagers? Al Fitch --- MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Last night in the pre-show announcement for a > fundraiser variety show > sponsored by one of our local hospitals, included > this: "Please turn your cell > phones and pagers off unless you are on call because > one of the vasectomies you > performed didn't work and you might need to go > deliver the baby!" > > I second the "strictly prohibited" line when it > comes to photography or > recording things. > > Seriously... make the "turn off your cell phones > pagers/etc." part the LAST > thing you say because if you give that instruction > earlier, the folks will be > concentrating on doing that task rather than > listening to what you are > saying. Also having (spot) lights or ushers indicate > where the emergency exits are > as part of that line (think pre-flight safety > announcement on an airplane) > helps folks to get it. You'd be surprised how many > people don't know left from > right. > > Kristi > > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128164401.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:44:01 From: CB Subject: Re: Introductions >People who do not like the introductions can always delete them without >reading. Just one more single message-ist stereotype that won't be cured. Some of us get digests and content can't be siftedthat easily. While there are those unfeeling bastards who will occasionally respond to digesters with , "Why'ncha just get single messages instead of asking the rest of us to be the least bit considerate?!?", I'm pretty sure that you aren't one of those, Bill. I bet you have lots of friends who are digesters... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128170555.00cc2670 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:05:55 From: CB Subject: Re: All the Montclair students >Anyway, getting back to what I was saying, it blows my mind to hear of >"theatre people" that don't want to actually see theatre Just like there are a coupla hundred folk in your house that will come see every show, but have no interest in any of the technical wizardry, there are those that are excellent technicians but don't really have any interest in seeing shows, especially the musical spectcles that seem to be so prevalent today. Being and excellant theatrical technician or designer and being a fan of theatre aren't necessarily related. I love to make low-budget independant films, but I rarely get any enjoyment out of watching them once they are done... OTOH, you couldn't keep me out if I got to see theatrical shows for free! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c7433d$36e56da0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Being and excellant theatrical technician > or designer and being a fan of theatre I love good theatre, but I rarely attend. Sitting in a theatre seat watching performers is far too much like my normal work day; on those rare evenings that I have off, I'd rather do something else. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128171047.00ccfdc8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:47 From: CB Subject: Re: Movies & PA >I cannot think of a single circumstance where a phone connector would be >better than an XLR. Except patch bays. I've seen about elebenty-hundred 1/4" patch bays, and only about a twentieth of them weren't being used to patch audio for recording or production. Yeah, you can get into trouble if you don't k ow what you're doing, but if you don't kow what you're doing, stay away from the audio kit, please. OTOH, I think I may have seen three XLR patch bays that weren't customs knock-ons. !/4" patch bays is pretty much industry standard. Normaled thru and half-normalled connectors are jsut a small portion of what can be done with 1/4" that XLR's can't. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128171049.00cac888 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:49 From: CB Subject: Re: Stomp the TDs >Hey, what if you *ride* a Wing? Then what, huh??? Well, you start by riding it at night in a full-face, and try not to advertise it loudly in public places where people know who you are... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128171051.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:51 From: CB Subject: Re: Tape Shader >But can't see anyone >archive on tape these days as hard drives and DVD's are more unfaultable >than tape. Tape/Shader is a combo gig. And tape is still used very, very often. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128171859.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:18:59 From: CB Subject: Powered Speakers >So I was wondering if any of you all have a set of powered speakers >that you would recommend. or The former is a Mackie TupperWare speaker that I loathe, right up until I start putting program through it. And, yes, it is worth the difference it costs from teh similar JBL product. Really. The latter is what you really want, and the difference will be appreciable, in both cost and performance. For a real PA, add one of these . Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:46:11 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: References: > >Anyway, getting back to what I was saying, it blows my mind to hear of > >"theatre people" that don't want to actually see theatre I figure out of the fifteen weeks of each semester, I'm averaging 6 days a week in one or the other of our campus theatres. That's 180 days right there. Over the summer and during breaks, for 20 of the remaining 22 weeks, it's Mon-Fri. There's another 100 days. That means that I spend one out of every four days NOT inside a theatre as part of my job. The last thing I want to be doing in what little truly "free" time I have is spending it in a theatre. I've got too many other interests to be that single-mindedly focused on it, and quite frankly I need the time away to prevent burnout. My family gets to see everything I work on for free, so there's another strike against it. They're just as satiated as I am. It irks me sometimes that there's so much an attitude of "how can you work in theatre and not go to see shows?" I can appreciate the work of others, I can do what I can to support it, but mentally and emotionally I just don't have the desire. I need the time away. After all, if I didn't, when would I find the time to stay current here? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128172342.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:23:42 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT Panelists needed >(the jokes lose their humor a bit when you have to qualify them, eh?) Jokes are like cats. Once you start taking them apart to show how they work, the first thing you get is a non-working one. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128172601.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:26:01 From: CB Subject: Re: Cage Match? >...But you can't out-ride me. That will remain to be seen. Since you've made the challenge, I get to decide the venue and weapons, n'est ce pas? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128173407.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:34:07 From: CB Subject: Re: Tape Shader >Personally, I'm not totally convinced. With analog media such as Beta, >not only does the quality degrade over time, but also when you transfer >it to a new tape for backup you lose quality Similare digital information trasnferred a tape format magnetically instead of optically encoded onto a disk. It's re-recordable and the dubs are the exact same information, so there's no generational loss, and it won't oxidize with age, ahile sitting in the cool dark the way that drecordable disks can. Oh, and the fact that I will be able to buy a mahine to read it in twenty-five years is a bit of a bonus as well. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:17:15 -0500 From: "Kobra Ahmadi" Subject: Hello-Salaam Hi Everybody, My name is Kobra, and I am one of the stagecraft students in RMWC. I come from a country in which stage, theater and all related issues are brand-new. Well, guess where I come from!!! Anyways, Thank you Paul for sending the instruction, I was really confused with subscription. Kobra ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1449f50a0701281719q148a843bnbc8fae535b14200e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:19:47 -0800 From: "Brooke Carlson" Subject: Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? In-Reply-To: References:

> Dave, in the systems that you have used, where did the roller chain go > when the arbor was down? I'm not Dave, nor do I play him on TV, but... One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach point. Very tidy. -- Brooke Carlson Automation Carpenter Lion King - Cheetah Tour ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: Re: how old?? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:27:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c74344$abb63270$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: I deal with these terms quite frequently in hardware design, usually referencing bit order for serial data moving between components. Quite recently, I had to deal with a peripheral that outputs 24-bits starting with the least-significant, to a host processor expecting 3 bytes beginning with the most-significant. Had to write a receive routine that re-ordered the bits. Jim RC4 > It's been a while since I last wrote much in assembly > language, but aren't big-endian and little-endian conventions > about byte (octet) order in multi-byte words, rather than bit > order within the bytes? > > Andy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: how old?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Andy Ciddor wrote: > It's been a while since I last wrote much in assembly language, but aren't > big-endian and little-endian conventions about byte (octet) order in > multi-byte words, rather than bit order within the bytes? Yes, but that's the only way I can think of that this could be looked at in reverse... C ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128180404.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:04:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers > Of course it depends on what you're going to put through them, but >I think you should check out the JBL Eon >If >you're quoted a price much over $595 (each) for them Anyone that pays over $500 for JBL (Just Buy Lots) TupperWare speakers is asking for it. I'll sell you four boxes of fly-able*/pole mounted trapezoidal 1" horn/15" woof boxes and amps for them in a rack for nearly that much, and you'll get a lot more amp and a lot more box for the money. Shipping'll kill you, but whataya want. OTOH, what is the attraction of running both a signal cable and power to the box instead of just a speaker cable? In addition, youi get to put all the amplifier controls out in front of the audience or out by the performers, so any adjustment/repair that you wish to make either stops the show or includes you in it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128180927.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:09:27 From: CB Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? >"One of our audience members tonight just served five years for assaulting >someone who talked during a performance. We don't know where he's sitting, >so you should probably assume he's next to you." "If one of our ushers flashes a light in your face, please follow him to the lobby, as he is probably going to ask you for the cell phone that you had just answered, and keep it for you in the box office as a result of you not being able to discover how to turn off the ringer before curtain. Please do not argue with tehm, just follow them to the lobby, as the next flashlight you see will belong to local constabulary." One can dream, can't one? OTOH, you can read all of these and ask the audience to vote on thier favorite. They'll get a laugh along with the point. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128184128.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:41:28 From: CB Subject: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) >Having the cord around the actor's neck concerns me, Would it concern you to have two pieces of rope, one in each hand of the strangler, but resting on the stranglees shirt? Make a quick release section of rope, or have the strangler hold two ropes, one wrapped arounb his hand and holding the close end of the other other in his thumb and fore-finger, while the far end is wrapped around the other hand. This way the rope gets over the head, and the strangler grabs the body suit or harness of the stranglee and throws him around by that. It looks spectacularly real, and the danger is reduced to the amount of pressure that the strangler can creat with his thumb and fore-finger to hold the rope. It ain't enough to injure. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001201c7434f$d32679e0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References:

Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:47:30 -0500 I'm thinking that vinyl dip you put on tool handles like little pliers and the sort HTH Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Mitchell" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In message , Stephen Rees > writes > >We just purchased a new TV remote control for my father-in-law who has > >limited grasping function in his only usable hand. The buttons are > >good and large and he can manipulate them OK. The problem is the very > >slick surface of the case which causes him to loose the thing with > >great regularity. > > > >Anybody have a suggestion for a coating that might be applied to the > >case to "tackify" it and make it easier to grasp without impairing > >functionality. > > Carpet grip tape? > > That strange spongy rubber matting you get for car dashboards? > > -- > Clive Mitchell > http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:51:33 -0800 Elegantly simple. Help out my vacation-deprived brain here - this particular chain would need to be twice the weight per foot as the one in the previously described configuration, yes? th >From: "Brooke Carlson" > >One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end >of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point >midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the >chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach >point. Very tidy. > _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070128192828.00c8fdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:28:28 From: CB Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? >Now my mouth >might have some sailor tendencies, I can still be the ever demure >Southern lady that knows what all the forks are for and how to be a >gracious hostess. I dunno if it's the chicken or the egg, but this kind of woman has always been the standard of hotness for me. One who knows how to be gracious and graceful when appropriate but also knows the appropriate cuss words to shout at the TV, and can threaten the snooty waiter with all kinds of horrible injuries, all the while looking perfectly capable of making them happen, when he gets too snooty. The superstructure is nearing middle forties, but the software is anywhere from four to fourteen to forty, depending on the application. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0701281858y327aec22vb74db2430adc08f [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:58:38 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: how old?? Andy Ciddor writes: <> I have been accused of that. << ...... Binary 0011011000110001 is actually decimal 13,873 He may have mistaken a binary number for BCD translation of 61 .........>> I just used the number the Binary/text converter table spat out. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0701281927x414e99a3p613eae7014b19240 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:27:44 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Re: how old?? Michael de Almeida writes: <<.....You have to convert to Hex then look it up on your friendly ASCII table. It actually comes out to 51. ................>> I could only wish. Actually Andy got it right, 61. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1245.72.190.1.185.1170043101.squirrel [at] webmail9.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:58:21 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re:House lights From: "Mitch Hefter" Reply-To: stagecraft03 [at] DesignRelief.com Philip Johnson wrote: > The university I work at is looking at new lamps to use in the > auditorium lights. They proposed the flourescent floods which > they say are dimmable.(it says so on the box) I am concerned > with their ability to be used at low intensity and also if they > bump when they fade up to a full intensity. Currently they do > the typical flash as all flourescent lamps do. Fluorescent dimming is a function of the lamp, ballast (in your case integral with the lamp), and the dimmer. With the right combination, you can get dimming down to less than 1%. Those systems normally use 3 wires - hot, control, and neutral. 2-wire systems can get quite low as well - less than 10% (there may be some to 5%). These percentages are measured light level, not perceived levels. These systems rely on separate ballast. Not knowing the specifics of the lamp, it's hard to know what level of success you might experience, however, you do have a compact fluorescent which have not had the dimming range that separate linear lamps. Also, the integrated ballast lamps may not work as well with commercial dimmers as they do with consumer models. Contact me off-line and I'll put you in touch with our fluorescent experts (shameless plug: our Lightolier Controls division has a number of solutions and some of the best long range fluorescent dimming solutions available). . . . ------------------------------------- Mitch Hefter Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlytecontrols.com +1-214/ 647-7880 x 7967 (Direct 214/ 647-7967) +1-214/ 647-4738 Fax http://www.etdimming.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <1700C5FB-0FC2-40B3-9FD9-CFD8D2F654FD [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:24:05 -0500 On 28 Jan 2007, at 09:29, Andy Ciddor wrote: > Working right to left, it's 1 + 16 + 32 + 512 + 1024 + 4096 + 8192 > = 13873 and On 28 Jan 2007, at 11:34, Paul Schreiner wrote: > Methinks Bruce was working t'other direction...cuz I just threw the > digits into a calc in reverse order and got 35948. I reply: OK, I must be doing it backwards. I'm clearly not a programmer. but I always thought you read binary left to right. (I read most things left to right!) Here's the story of my (Apparently misled) understanding of the subject: Back when I was in Middle School (Late '60's) My father had been computerising his company. Having been taking training classes on these newfangled computer thingees, he shared with me the principle of how they worked - "Binary". He showed me how to count in binary on my fingers: Left thumb="1", Index finger ="2", then 4, 8, and 16. I always did this palms up, so "1" was on my left. I gather that this is actually backwards! To continue my tale; My right pinky represented "32" and so on through to my Right thumb which represented "512". Whilst most people could only count to ten on their fingers, I could count to 1,023 on just my ten fingers. "COOL!" I practised and drilled myself wherever I went. During class one day I was practising my finger-play and the class bully mistook my "4" for a gesture aimed at him. I took a bit of a beating for that one. To this day, I still do a lot of adding on my fingers using this method. How disheartening to find that I've been doing it backwards all these years! :-( Sorry Charlie, it has nothing to do with being a Mac person. Now the mystery of my dyslexic binary has been diagnosed, and that - in the words of Paul Harvey - is the rest of the story! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: how old?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Bruce Purdy wrote: > Sorry Charlie, it has nothing to do with being a Mac person. Now the no worries - my comment was overwrought anyway... C ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070129004258.030df788 [at] cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:44:28 -0500 From: Ford Sellers Subject: Re: Hello-Salaam In-Reply-To: References: Hello, and welcome!! I hope you find this list as usefull as we do. It's a great place to learn, share Ideas, make contacts, and generally waste time-heh -Ford At 08:17 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >My name is Kobra, and I am one of the stagecraft students in RMWC. I >come from a country in which stage, theater and all related issues are >brand-new. >Well, guess where I come from!!! >Anyways, Thank you Paul for sending the instruction, I was really >confused with subscription. > >Kobra ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:45:59 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: how old?? In-Reply-To: References:

> OK, I must be doing it backwards. I'm clearly not a programmer. but > I always thought you read binary left to right. (I read most things > left to right!) Ah, but just like in normal base-10 decimal notation, the least significant (read: smallest) digits are to the right. So, in decimal, you have (taking a 5-digit number) the ten-thousands place, the thousands, the hundreds, the tens, and the ones...reading left to right. It's the same in binary. The least significant digit is the last one read left-to-right. Considering the teaching method used, it makes sense for you to be binarically dyslexic...so as long as it works for you (and, now that you know, you can translate when needed) s'okay! :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c7436a$7ab316e0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: All the Montclair students Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:58:20 -0800 > I love good theatre, but I rarely attend. Sitting in a theatre seat > watching performers is far too much like my normal work day; on those rare > evenings that I have off, I'd rather do something else. > Amen, brother. If I ever have 'free' time, I would prefer to do some 'social' time with friends - drinking, eating, talking... rather than sit in a dark theatre, watching a movie, or a play (or paying attention at a concert or a pub gig). I love theatre (and film) and am quite knowledgeable and educated in both, but if I have *any* free time, I'd really prefer to spend the time doing anything but. I wish I *could* watch more live theatre, but.... I have a good colleague/friend of mine (filmmaker) who's life is truly wrapped up in his work. When we do get to see each other socially, he invariably offers up some opportunity to watch some of his latest work, or work of someone he admires.. I don't socialize with him as much as I would like. Imagine if, every time I saw him, I would say, "Hey, I just read the latest work by Tom Stoppard. Allow me to act out a couple of acts for you....." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1050.205.215.253.144.1170051173.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:12:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: how old?? From: "Bill Nelson" > It's the same in binary. The least significant digit is the last one > read left-to-right. Not necessarily. It is true inside computers, for several reasons that are probably of little interest to most here, so I won't cover them. However, when it comes to switch settings on a lot of digital equipment, the least significant digit is often on the left. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BD9344.2030308 [at] ef-ae.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:25:08 +0400 From: Simon Subject: Re: Hello-Salaam References:

In-Reply-To: Being a Brit I have to say you must be from America then!!!!!!!!!! > > At 08:17 PM 1/28/2007, you wrote: >> Hi Everybody, >> >> My name is Kobra, and I am one of the stagecraft students in RMWC. I >> come from a country in which stage, theater and all related issues are >> brand-new. >> Well, guess where I come from!!! >> Anyways, Thank you Paul for sending the instruction, I was really >> confused with subscription. >> >> Kobra > > ************************ > Ford H Sellers > Master Electrician > Cornell University > Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts > 430 College Avenue > Ithaca NY, 14850 > (607) 254-2736 office > (607) 254-2733 fax > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Vicki Palmer" References:

Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:27:26 -0600 Message-ID: <036601c7436e$8c2b4ce0$640fa8c0 [at] ThePalmers> In-Reply-To: I use a short list of announcements for our high school shows. However, specifically regarding flash photography here is what I say: As a courtesy to other patrons and for the safety of our actors, please refrain from taking flash photography. Polite I know, but it seems to do the trick. Here are a few other things I include (the rest are specific to our school): . Copyright laws prohibit the recording of this performance by any electronic device. . At this time, please turn off and discontinue the use of all cell phones and pagers as they interfere with the quality and operation of our sound system. . If children become loud or unsettled, please remove them from the Auditorium until they are ready to watch the performance. . And lastly, should you need to enter or exit the auditorium during the performance, please help us by opening and closing the doors as quietly as possible. The last one is because we have panic bars on all the exit doors and they make horrendous noise when opened and closed. Good luck! Vicki Vicki Palmer -- Columbia, MO Tech Director -- Hickman High School Light/Sound Geek -- Columbia Entertainment Company Community Theatre dogpal [at] tranquility.net or DogLovr101 [at] gmail.com MSN & Yahoo IM: DogLovr101 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- You only need 2 tools, WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use the duct tape. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1106.205.215.253.144.1170054185.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:03:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? From: "Bill Nelson" > Anything from their twenties to their late sixties. Some even older. The lower end is even lower, most likely eighteen and possibly seventeen. If I had gone to college directly after graduating from high school, I would have been seventeen. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:34:33 -0800 Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage From: Eric Montague Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi all, Briefly emerging from lurk mode here, sorry I didn't interject here earlier. A company called Mercotac produces a very small, and highly modernized equivalent to the slip ring. Granted, they only produce systems with a limited number of conductors, but they are considerably safer and produce much less electrical noise than any sort of home made slip ring. Last February I saw a small 2 conductor version in an art show in NYC being used to transmit video signal from a rotating camera to a television. (Try that with a slip ring!) Safe to say, it was truly amazing. This was undoubtedly one of their low current versions, but according to the website the high current versions have similarly little electrical noise. I'm not sure if it fits your requirements exactly, but it's something to look into. Their rotary contact with the most separate conductors has 8 conductors; 6 [at] 30 amps and 2 [at] 4 amps. Depending on how many circuits you need, this may prove to be a much smaller, lighter and more elegant solution than a large home built slip ring, allowing you to potentially feed in power from above the revolve and eliminate the 'wires under wheels' problem. Mercotac products page: http://www.mercotac.com/html/products.html I hope I didn't ruin all your admirable innovation on this one, and Good luck with the power feed, regardless of what you decide to do. -Eric ------------------- High-school theater tech student & aspiring rigger / lighting designer. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:43:23 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Movies & PA In-Reply-To: References: On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:47, CB wrote: > Normaled thru and half-normalled connectors are jsut a small portion of > what can be done with 1/4" that XLR's can't. Not having touched a patch panel since my college days, what is "half-normalled"? Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:25:53 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/28/07, Brooke Carlson wrote: > One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end > of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point > midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the > chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach > point. Very tidy. Wow. Most t-tracks that I have seen have cross-bars just behind the actual "T" rail that maintains the proper spacing on the arbors. I wouldn't think there would be enough room between the arbor shoe and the cross-bars for a loop of chain to pass through. Interesting. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1116 ******************************