Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41787810; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:17 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41787806; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:46:17 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SARE_BAYES_5x8,SARE_BAYES_6x8,SARE_BAYES_7x8, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1117 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:45:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1117 1. Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes by John Arrowsmith 2. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 3. Re: EDTA by "Kevin Lowry" 4. Re: Student introductions by "Michael Brubaker" 5. Re: Introductions by "Bill Nelson" 6. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Michael Brubaker" 7. Montclair by "Michael Brubaker" 8. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Michael Brubaker" 9. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Michael Brubaker" 10. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Michael Brubaker" 11. Re: Compensation Chain by "Jim Niesel" 12. Re: Montclair by Charlie Fraser 13. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Peter Scheu" 14. Re: Powered Speakers by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 15. Re: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? by "Paul Schreiner" 16. Re: Internally threaded bolt by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Bruce Purdy 18. Re[2]: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Frank E. Merrill" 19. Re[2]: Internally threaded bolt by "Frank E. Merrill" 20. ETCP Announcement by Bill Sapsis 21. Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 22. Re: Old lamp info... by Stephen Litterst 23. Who's got the designer? by "Wild, Larry" 24. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by "Bill Nelson" 26. Re: Intros - a response to the students by Stephen Litterst 27. Re: Powered Speakers by Greg Williams 28. Re: Student introductions by Stephen Litterst 29. Re: Student introductions by Stephen Rees 30. Re: Movies & PA by Stephen Litterst 31. Re: Student introductions by "Paul Schreiner" 32. Re: Traveling to URTA by Greg Bierly 33. Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains by Rod Osiowy 34. Re: Powered Speakers by Stephen Litterst 35. Re: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains by "Terry Lowe" 36. Re: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains by "Terry Lowe" 37. Re: how old by "Matt Gard" 38. Re: how old by "Matt Gard" 39. Re: Powered Speakers by Stephen Litterst 40. Re: Who's got the designer? by "Michael Brubaker" 41. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Paul Marsland" 42. Re: House lights by Stephen Litterst 43. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Stephen Litterst 44. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by SS 45. Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help by Greg Williams 46. Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Don Taco" 48. Re: Montclair by SS 49. Re: Montclair by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 50. Re: Powered Speakers by Greg Williams 51. Re: Montclair by SS 52. Re: Montclair by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 53. Re: Flying people by "RD" 54. Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by "Jim, RC4 Wireless" 55. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by Stephen Litterst 56. Re: how old?? by Michael de Almeida 57. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 58. Re: Powered Speakers by Greg Williams 59. Re: Who's got the designer? by "RD" 60. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "RD" 61. Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 62. Re: Slick Surfaces - OT by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 63. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 64. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Clive Mitchell 65. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Nathan Kahn" 66. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "C. Dopher" 67. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by Steve Shelley 68. Re: Student introductions by "Ken Romaine" 69. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Paul Schreiner" 70. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Paul Schreiner" 71. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Andy Champ-Doran 72. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Don Taco" 73. Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help by Davy Davis 74. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Greg Williams 75. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by Charlie Richmond 76. Re: Montclair by SS *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Arrowsmith Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:55:25 GMT Message-ID: <2007129115525.540810 [at] arrowsmiths> Subject: Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes Jim Hyslop said "Hey! No fair using dead languages!" in response to Clive's "Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes" Dead languages ? Latin, I hear, isn't dead in Finland ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6079852.stm John :) -- Voluntary website provider / editor for UK Rock Challenge at http://www.rockchallenge.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Cc: dogpal [at] tranquility.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <198894.9016.qm [at] web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Here are a few other things I include (the rest are > specific to our school): > > . Copyright laws prohibit the recording of this > performance by any > electronic device. > > . At this time, please turn off and discontinue the > use of all cell > phones and pagers as they interfere with the quality > and operation of our > sound system. > > . And lastly, should you need to enter or exit the > auditorium during > the performance, please help us by opening and > closing the doors as quietly > as possible. > > The last one is because we have panic bars on all > the exit doors and they > make horrendous noise when opened and closed. > > Good luck! > Vicki I'll have to wait to blame Cell Phone use on the quality of our sound system until I get it fixed! I've heard people say in pre-shows that Cell phones specifically interfere with the wireless. That's not true is it? a possible fix for the panic bars is to secure them with the (if present) set screw that I have found on some crashbars that allow the bars to be pushed in and held in place. This does not lock the doors or prevent them from operating but do cut down on some of the noise. The latch on the outside door handle is what causes much of the noise when you do this as they are now no longer needed to disengage the crashbar to open the door. Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5a73bd8d0701290438g5452baf5j49332b34c6b35a4d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:38:26 -0500 From: "Kevin Lowry" Subject: Re: EDTA In-Reply-To: References: There are a whole host of different ways your can be a member of the EdTA. 1. a Middle School Student, can be a Junior Thespian 2. a High School Student can be a Thespian, after performing 10 hours of quality work in there high school program 3. Teachers and Professionals can be Professional Members 4. The last is a member of the Senior Theatre League. all of the information for membership is on the EdTA website [at] www.edta.org If you need / want any other information please let me know Kevin Lowry Chapter Director Connecticut Educational Theatre Association (a chapter of the EdTA) ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:01:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If I recall correctly, the Teatro Nacional in Lima, Peru (I believe I have the city right) only replaced its salt water dimming system about 5-6 years ago. So it doesn't take much for many of us to fit that description... Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Bill Nelson wrote: Yeah. Some of us have been around since about the time they replaced salt water dimmers with rheostats. It is rumored that a couple of the really ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1372.205.215.253.144.1170076833.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:20:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Introductions From: "Bill Nelson" > Just one more single message-ist stereotype that won't be cured. Some of > us get digests and content can't be siftedthat easily. While there are > those unfeeling bastards who will occasionally respond to digesters with , > "Why'ncha just get single messages instead of asking the rest of us to be > the least bit considerate?!?", I'm pretty sure that you aren't one of > those, Bill. I bet you have lots of friends who are digesters... That is certainly possible. I only receive one subscription in digest form and use a simple email reader, so have no idea the capabilities/limitations other readers may have. I seem to recall that there is at least one that does break digests out into connected threads - but may be misremembering. It wouldn't be the first time. On the other hand, the total number of introductions have been far less than the number of posts to most other threads recently. For example, there have probably been more comments about the introduction posts than there were introductions themselves. To me, the quantity has been insignificant - but I am a newsletter junky, so am certainly biased in that aspect. Bill Bill ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Cc: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Subject: RE: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:30:59 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Having lived in both Estes Park, Colorado and western Massachusetts, I somewhat have to agree. Although, if you look at the pictures, you'll note that it isn't a flat place. You can clearly see the curve!! Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Josh Ratty wrote: I just don't know how y'all live in such a flat place. I think I would actually go crazy. To each his own I suppose. I'll take my hills, mountains, and winding roads of the northeast thank you very much. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: Montclair Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank, Since so one really answered, I will. Montclair is in New Jersey, USA. Here's a link to a MapQuest map: http://tinyurl.com/yrnz74 Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: National and local pride is no bad thing. But an element of realism is needed. As a Londoner, I have to confess that I don't know where Montclair is. I don't even know what country it is in. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:44:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: There's a great story about a certain lighting designer (the first person separately credited as a lighting designer, if that gives a hint). During a hang and focus on a production in Hawaii, she requested, respectfully, that a certain light be moved a small distance. The very large, very tall male stagehand looked down at her (she was very diminutive) and said something to the effect of, "Well now, little lady, I don't think that you really want that moved, do you?". Her response, apparently, would blister paint and the stagehand found himself at the top of the ladder moving the light before he was really aware of what was happening. He got a very nice "Thank you" when he came down. Same lighting designer, maybe on the same production, was introduced to the (professional) cast by the director who very nicely said that she was the lighting designer for the show and that "while lighting was important, it really didn't matter that much, but it was great to have her on board..." The story goes that she modified her cueing, slightly, over a series of nights on a particular scene. The director found that his lead actor (remember, accomplished professional) was landing in a different spot each time. Even when he would re-run the scene. When the director got angry with the actor, this designer intervened. She had been very subtly changing the focus of the stage and the actor, without really being aware, had found his light each and every time. The director never questioned the importance of lighting again... Who's got the designer? Richard, you can't play! Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Adriane Bennett wrote: As a born and reared Southern Belle, my parents have graciously accepted my chosen career as TD. While my mother still insists upon never buying me power tools (she claims she should be buying me china and silver), she has, however, raised me to be a lady. Now my mouth might have some sailor tendencies, I can still be the ever demure Southern lady that knows what all the forks are for and how to be a gracious hostess. Even with the IASTE brothers. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Nope! When the arbor is fully down (lineset high trim), nearly the full weight of the chain is carried on the wall. When the set is at low trim, the chain is carried nearly fully on the arbor. Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Tom Heemskerk wrote: Help out my vacation-deprived brain here - this particular chain would need to be twice the weight per foot as the one in the previously described configuration, yes? >From: "Brooke Carlson" > >One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end >of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point >midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the >chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach >point. Very tidy. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:49:17 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Brian, Most manufacturers make a 'V' shaped wall knee for this application. Visualise the point of the 'V' attached to the wall with the two legs attached to the T track. The compensator chain then can run neatly in the 'V'. That help? Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Brian Munroe wrote: On 1/28/07, Brooke Carlson wrote: > One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end > of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point > midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the > chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach > point. Very tidy. Wow. Most t-tracks that I have seen have cross-bars just behind the actual "T" rail that maintains the proper spacing on the arbors. I wouldn't think there would be enough room between the arbor shoe and the cross-bars for a loop of chain to pass through. Interesting. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Compensation Chain Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:07:18 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Jim Niesel" On 1/28/07, Brooke Carlson wrote: > One method of dealing with this that I have seen is for the bitter end > of the chain to be attached to the wall behind the T-track, at a point > midway through the arbor travel. When the arbor is out it has the > chain weight, and when the arbor is in all the weight is on the attach > point. Very tidy. >Wow. Most t-tracks that I have seen have cross-bars just behind the >actual "T" rail that maintains the proper spacing on the arbors. I >wouldn't think there would be enough room between the arbor shoe and >the cross-bars for a loop of chain to pass through. Interesting. >Brian Munroe >bpmunroe [at] gmail.com It takes a different bracket, more v shaped than the flat u, behind the T-track. We typically do a quick calc of how much cable weight is involved to see if compensation chain makes sense, since it adds some expense to a counterweight set. We typically do them as Brooke describes. Remember that the cable weight is on the arbor side when the batten is out. In the loop, the arbor still picks up the chain from the moment it starts to move, just instead of collecting it in a bag or on the floor, it hangs behind the arbor. Jim Niesel Theatre Projects Consultants ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BDFFFA.1000908 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:09:00 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Montclair References: In-Reply-To: All- Here is a view of part of the north campus at Montclair this morning :-) http://www.charliefraser.com/msu.jpg Charlie Michael Brubaker wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Frank, > > Since so one really answered, I will. Montclair is in New Jersey, USA. > > Here's a link to a MapQuest map: http://tinyurl.com/yrnz74 > > Mike Brubaker > Head of Design > Associated Controls + Design > 6850 N Guion Rd > Indianapolis, IN 46268 > > T: 800.382.3961 x117 > T: 317.298.3961 x117 > F: 317-293-0281 > > -----Original Message----- > frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > > National and local pride is no bad thing. But an element of realism is > needed. As a Londoner, I have to confess that I don't know where Montclair > is. I don't even know what country it is in. > > > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:16:05 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Another (albeit more expensive, but very effective) method, and one in = use at the Crouse-Hinds Concert Theater here in Syracuse, is a large = diameter cable attached to the bottom of the arbor, running though a large sheave = at the floor, back up behind the t-bar wall battens where it transitions to = a 1/8" cable, up to another sheave mounted under the headblock beams, and = back down to the arbor. This works well if you have a counterweight pit (extra vertical room) = and extra space between the t-bar and the wall, and between the top of the = t-bar and the headblock beams. This type of system does not require special = U/V brackets to space the guides. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY=20 ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:28:56 +0000 Message-Id: <012920071428.13768.45BE04A7000D06D3000035C821587667550E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> 500 is less than cost, they're very handy because it's one trip in . I'm guessing your "flyable boxes" would be the bottom of the line Community's? They certainly have their place, different horses...install as opposed to one nighters.... Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CB > > Anyone that pays over $500 for JBL (Just Buy Lots) TupperWare speakers is > asking for it. I'll sell you four boxes of fly-able*/pole mounted > trapezoidal 1" horn/15" woof boxes and amps for them in a rack for nearly > that much, and you'll get a lot more amp and a lot more box for the money. > Shipping'll kill you, but whataya want. > > OTOH, what is the attraction of running both a signal cable and power to > the box instead of just a speaker cable? In addition, youi get to put all > the amplifier controls out in front of the audience or out by the > performers, so any adjustment/repair that you wish to make either stops the > show or includes you in it. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Line-set compensator diagram/picture? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FE25 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" This was written... > Nope! When the arbor is fully down (lineset high trim),=20 > nearly the full weight of the chain is carried on the wall. =20 > When the set is at low trim, the chain is carried nearly=20 > fully on the arbor. In response to this... > Help out my vacation-deprived brain here - this particular=20 > chain would need to be twice the weight per foot as the one=20 > in the previously described configuration, yes? But didn't really answer the question, IMO. Yes, in the situation described where the chain is attached to the wall at the midpoint of the arbor travel, the lb/ft of chain would have to be twice that of the lift cable...i.e., 30' of chain for an arbor that traveled 60'. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE0A04.9080500 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:51:48 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Internally threaded bolt References: In-Reply-To: Josh Ratty wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sounds like you're looking for what is known as a "sex bolt." I presume > I needn't explain why. You can likely find them through McMaster Carr or > some of the other industrial supply houses. Anyone got a name for this part that won't send red flags to my employer's IT department? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:52:50 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 02:03, Bill Nelson wrote: >> Anything from their twenties to their late sixties. Some even older. > > The lower end is even lower, most likely eighteen and possibly > seventeen. > If I had gone to college directly after graduating from high school, I > would have been seventeen. Try again! There are High School students amongst us as well. One said the other day that he is 16. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:54:58 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1173269441.20070129095458 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Monday, January 29, 2007, Mike Brubaker wrote: > if you look at the pictures, you'll note that it isn't a flat place. > You can clearly see the curve! Um...I think the curvature is artificially inserted into the picture by the focal length of the lens.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:05:19 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <5910059715.20070129100519 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Internally threaded bolt In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Monday, January 29, 2007, Steve Litterst wrote: > Anyone got a name for this part that won't send red flags to my > employer's IT department? Here's a link to Hudson's webpage describing the unmentionable device: http://www.hudsonfasteners.com/sec/sec_ow_sb.htm GO COLTS! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:10:27 -0500 Subject: ETCP Announcement From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi folks. I've been asked by the certification people to send you this announcement.=20 Thanks Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile For Immediate Release Contact: Cathy Amos January 29, 2007 212-244-1505, camos [at] esta.org =20 ETCP ANNOUNCES APPLICATION DEADLINE EXTENSION FOR EXAM ADMINISTRATIONS AT USITT TO FEBRUARY 9, 2007 =20 The ETCP Council has voted to extend the application deadline to February 9= , 2007 for all three exams: Entertainment Electrician, Arena Rigging and Theatre Rigging being offered at USITT. Space is limited, so submit your application today! Those who pass these rigorous tests will become ETCP Certified - and will be recognized as the industry=B9s best. If you=B9re a rigger or an electrician, get ready to show the industry what you know. Examinations will be held March 17, 2007 in conjunction with the USITT Conference and Stage Expo in Phoenix, AZ. The electrical certifications are designed for highly experienced electricians (including leads, supervisors, and managers of entertainment electrical work). The rigging certifications are designed for highly experienced riggers (rigging supervisors, high steel riggers, fly-persons, etc). =20 If you apply and are accepted to sit for the exam but end up with a last minute job, you have up to one year to take the exam at a computer testing center or at another paper and pencil administration. Candidate information, including eligibility requirements and applications, is available on the ETCP website (http://etcp.esta.org), or if you would like the information mailed to you, please contact Cathy Amos, ETCP Certification Coordinator, at 212-244-1505 or camos [at] esta.org=20 ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c743b7$8c611fc0$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: > However, when it comes to switch settings on a lot of digital > equipment, the least significant digit is often on the left. This is true, and it's something I quite dislike. Since binary tables and calculators place the least-significant-bit to the right, dipswitches should be the same. This makes it easy to move a value from print (or display) to the switches with the lowest likelihood of error. Sometimes you can turn the unit upside down to get things lined up more sensibly. :) Jim RC4 www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE0FB2.7070708 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:16:02 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Old lamp info... References:

In-Reply-To: Frank E. Merrill wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > Friday, January 26, 2007, Steve Jones wrote: > > >>Any idea what the modern equivalent of this would be? > > > The original lamp bulb was a DPW. The "modern" equivalent would be > DTA, although the DTA's 1500 watts would blister the paint offa the > spotlight housing unless it has been after-market fitted with a blower > to cool the lamp house. I think I remember coming across a box of DPWs at my old job. Contact Matt Farrow at Ithaca College, unless he's reading this message and wants to chime in. They'd have been in the Old Dimmer Room, Matt. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Subject: Who's got the designer? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:17:08 -0600 Message-ID: <79EC830AA6FE144797DDB30DC498593804FEEAB2 [at] nsu-ex01.nsu.local> From: "Wild, Larry" Mike Brubaker posted: "There's a great story about a certain lighting designer...Who's got the = designer?" Jean Rosenthal?=20 Larry Wild Aberdeeb, SD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE104E.805 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:18:38 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? References:

In-Reply-To: Myself wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 1/27/07, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > >> >> Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: >> >> > How old are the people on this list anyway? >> >> The Indianapolis Colts are going to play in the Super Bowl in honor of >> my birthday where I'll be REALLY close to sixty years old, and I have >> given Peyton Manning permission to forego any more appropriate >> birthday gift in favor of winning this one game for this Gipper. >> > > Uhh, There has not been a Colts team since the Baltimore Colts left > B'more in the dead of night... Used to watch their Summer camp with > Johnny Unitas, and Bubba Smith....Thats how Old I am. Amen. I know many Baltimorons (myself included) who will never forgive Mayflower Van Lines for taking the Colts away and will never use them for moving. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1528.205.215.253.144.1170084579.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:29:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? From: "Bill Nelson" > This is true, and it's something I quite dislike. Since binary tables and > calculators place the least-significant-bit to the right, dipswitches > should > be the same. This makes it easy to move a value from print (or display) > to the switches with the lowest likelihood of error. > > Sometimes you can turn the unit upside down to get things lined up more > sensibly. :) Or, if you can't visualize it, just turn the lookup table or calculator upside down. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE12F1.5010409 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:29:53 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Intros - a response to the students References: In-Reply-To: MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Today is the one year anniversary of one of my IA colleagues having what I > call his "melt down day". He'd been an alcoholic for some time and reached the > point where he could no longer function at his job. A couple of members > from this list who also know him were invaluable to me at that time with words > of support for me and ideas to get help for him. I'm thrilled that he's now > completed re-hab and back working. Folks, this is an important story. If you see a friend/coworker has a problem, don't wait for them to tackle it on their own. I lost a dear friend and coworker to alcholism. Our production manager stepped in and made him stop drinking and get better -- at which point all the health problems that the alcohol had been masking manifested themselves with a vengeance. He was a good man, a fun coworker and a talented TD. Take care of each other. We're all that we've got. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:23:52 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Powered Speakers In-reply-to: Message-id: <1FCC2EBC-7B8C-47E1-9CDC-D92DFC92EBDD [at] appstate.edu> References: Chris, The price I quoted for the Eons was $595. That was off the top of my head. After checking with my supplier this morning, actual out-the- door cost to me right now is $538.00, plus shipping. Of course flyable/pole-mounted with separate amps is preferable _depending on the situation_, but the poster _asked_ for recommendations for a pair of speakers, preferably self-powered, that would cover 200 people in or out of doors, plus act as monitors for lectures, etc. What I also read into that was "ease of operation" (I've deleted the original post, that might have also been a stated parameter). For those reasons, I think a pair of self-powered G2's would be an excellent fit. Add the small mixer of your choice. And yeah, no surprise, I've got preferences there as well. As far as JBL versus Mackie, you and I have mirror-image experiences with those two companies, I see. I personally have owned or spec'd or installed a fair amount of both, as well as other brands, and in my personal experience problems with the Mackie products outnumber the problems with the JBL's about 4:1. I have a pair of SRM450's right now that have been in the shop more than on the show. Yeah, they were cheaper on the front end, but they've more than made up for it. If I owned a boat, I would seriously use one of them as an anchor. Tell ya what... I'll trade you the SRM450's for the 4 boxes of pole mounted /fly-able speakers (community's?) and the rack-mounted amps. We'll each pay our own shipping. Whaddaya say? -=Greg=- On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:04 PM, CB wrote: > >> Of course it depends on what you're going to put through them, but >> I think you should check out the JBL Eon >> If >> you're quoted a price much over $595 (each) for them > > Anyone that pays over $500 for JBL (Just Buy Lots) TupperWare > speakers is > asking for it. I'll sell you four boxes of fly-able*/pole mounted > trapezoidal 1" horn/15" woof boxes and amps for them in a rack for > nearly > that much, and you'll get a lot more amp and a lot more box for the > money. > Shipping'll kill you, but whataya want. > > OTOH, what is the attraction of running both a signal cable and > power to > the box instead of just a speaker cable? In addition, youi get to > put all > the amplifier controls out in front of the audience or out by the > performers, so any adjustment/repair that you wish to make either > stops the > show or includes you in it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1446.9040008 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:35:34 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Student introductions References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > FWIW, this is year number 10 for me on the list. About four real jobs > ago... I can never remember my first year on the list, but it was as a student at the University of Delaware, which makes this new job a completion of the cycle. Which came first, zinc.com or inquo.net? Anyone remember? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:37:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Student introductions From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Can't remember that far back anymore but I recall having used both. I think zinc.com was first but would not swear to it. Steve R On 1/29/07 10:35 AM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > > Which came first, zinc.com or inquo.net? Anyone remember? > > Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1576.2010501 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:40:38 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Movies & PA References:

In-Reply-To: Brian Munroe wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:10:47, CB wrote: > >> Normaled thru and half-normalled connectors are jsut a small portion of >> what can be done with 1/4" that XLR's can't. > > > Not having touched a patch panel since my college days, what is > "half-normalled"? A normalled patch bay breaks the "normal" signal flow when the patch cord is inserted. A Half-normalled patch bay maintains the "normal" signal flow when the patch cord is inserted. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Student introductions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FEAC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Can't remember that far back anymore but I recall having used=20 > both. I think zinc.com was first but would not swear to it. > Steve R > =20 > >=20 > > Which came first, zinc.com or inquo.net? Anyone remember? I'd have to wager zinc.com, cuz I don't recall ever using that address... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Traveling to URTA Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:53:35 -0500 On Jan 28, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Stagecraft wrote: >> Speaking of objects you can't get away with taking on planes now, >> about 2 years ago I was flying to New York to work on a show and had >> forgotten to move my crescent wrench from my shoulder bag to my >> suitcase. They discovered it at the security checkpoint and took it >> away from me. It was so sad! What did they think I would do with >> it? I just saw this one (I am a little behind on my digests) but PA surplus has a contract with a bunch of airports and sells confiscated items on ebay by the lot. search user ID: pastatesurplus You can get a great deal on a lifetimes supply of leatherman/gerbers for the entire crew. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield High School ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2DB6E1B4-25E9-45A9-85A4-27D6AD3B5606 [at] telus.net> From: Rod Osiowy Subject: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:56:53 -0700 Fort Steele Heritage Town is opening bids for a theatre troupe to produce a summer theatre show for daily performance. Melodrama/comedy/ musical is the usual genre with local historical interest to be written into the show. Street theatre where actors portray historical characters from the 1890's may also be part of the package. The Wildhorse Theatre at Fort Steele, BC is a beautiful 500 seat proscenium arch theatre with limited lighting and excellent acoustics. Summer audiences of over 80,000 per season. A summer theatre tech is available as are local college performing arts graduates for talent. This isn't a get rich proposition, but it is paying, and is a great opportunity to live cradled in the mountains from May to September in provided accommodations. Contact Cam.trueman [at] fortsteele.bc.ca for more info. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1ABC.3000505 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:03:08 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Powered Speakers References: In-Reply-To: Gregg Carville wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi All, > > We are looking at getting some powered speakers that will act as > multifunction units. > > We are going to ask them to: > > act as PA speakers for small events (say less than 200 people) > act as Monitors on our stage. (mainly for graduations and lecture type > events) > go outside for site specific events (again less than 200 people) > > So I was wondering if any of you all have a set of powered speakers > that you would recommend. > > I am inclined towards powered for flexibility and ease of setup. Gregg, I have always been a fan of the Meyer UPM line. 18" x 6" but with a big, fat, full-range sound. We just purchased a set of four and they can match our house cabinets for SPL. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:04:41 -0800 Message-ID: <793BE9C001D3D545A5CEE4B50BE02FBB99DC1D [at] webserver1.timelesspub.local> From: "Terry Lowe" You can post this free as well on the Stage Directions site. www.stagedirections.com/subscribe=20 Terry Lowe, Publisher Projection, Lights & Staging News www.plsn.com FRONT of HOUSE www.fohonline.com Stage Directions www.stage-directions.com Event Production Directory www.epdweb.com Executive Director, Parnelli Awards www.parnelliawards.com PLSN & FOH Bookshelf www.plsnbookshelf.com Ph. 702-932-5585 Cell 818-384-8456 FAX 702-932-5584 tlowe [at] plsn.com=20 =20 Informing Creative Minds... -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rod Osiowy Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Fort Steele Heritage Town is opening bids for a theatre troupe to produce a summer theatre show for daily performance. Melodrama/comedy/=20 musical is the usual genre with local historical interest to be written into =20 the show. Street theatre where actors portray historical characters from the 1890's may also =20 be part of the package. The Wildhorse Theatre at Fort Steele, BC is a beautiful 500 seat =20 proscenium arch theatre with limited lighting and excellent acoustics. Summer =20 audiences of over 80,000 per season. A summer theatre tech is available as are local college performing =20 arts graduates for talent. This isn't a get rich proposition, but it is paying, and is a great =20 opportunity to live cradled in the mountains from May to September in provided =20 accommodations. Contact Cam.trueman [at] fortsteele.bc.ca for more info. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:05:20 -0800 Message-ID: <793BE9C001D3D545A5CEE4B50BE02FBB99DC1E [at] webserver1.timelesspub.local> From: "Terry Lowe" Sorry the url is www.stage-directions.com/classifieds Terry Lowe, Publisher Projection, Lights & Staging News www.plsn.com FRONT of HOUSE www.fohonline.com Stage Directions www.stage-directions.com Event Production Directory www.epdweb.com Executive Director, Parnelli Awards www.parnelliawards.com PLSN & FOH Bookshelf www.plsnbookshelf.com Ph. 702-932-5585 Cell 818-384-8456 FAX 702-932-5584 tlowe [at] plsn.com=20 =20 Informing Creative Minds... -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rod Osiowy Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Fort Steele Heritage Town is opening bids for a theatre troupe to produce a summer theatre show for daily performance. Melodrama/comedy/=20 musical is the usual genre with local historical interest to be written into =20 the show. Street theatre where actors portray historical characters from the 1890's may also =20 be part of the package. The Wildhorse Theatre at Fort Steele, BC is a beautiful 500 seat =20 proscenium arch theatre with limited lighting and excellent acoustics. Summer =20 audiences of over 80,000 per season. A summer theatre tech is available as are local college performing =20 arts graduates for talent. This isn't a get rich proposition, but it is paying, and is a great =20 opportunity to live cradled in the mountains from May to September in provided =20 accommodations. Contact Cam.trueman [at] fortsteele.bc.ca for more info. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: how old Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" I'm one of the young uns, just 00011010, or 1B, but who am I? 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110010 = 01100100 Hint: just ASCII me! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Michael Powers Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:07 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: how old For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" writes: <> Isn't that 7 in base ten? As for me I'm 0011011000110001. --=20 Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: how old Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" Darn, I forgot about my name in the "From" column...=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Matt Gard Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:13 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: how old For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I'm one of the young uns, just 00011010, or 1B, but who am I? 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110010 = 01100100 Hint: just ASCII me! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Michael Powers Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:07 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: how old For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" writes: <> Isn't that 7 in base ten? As for me I'm 0011011000110001. --=20 Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1C4C.2070200 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:09:48 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Powered Speakers References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > OTOH, what is the attraction of running both a signal cable and power to > the box instead of just a speaker cable? In addition, youi get to put all > the amplifier controls out in front of the audience or out by the > performers, so any adjustment/repair that you wish to make either stops the > show or includes you in it. I'll admit that I don't have your sound experience, CB, but how often do you have to adjust amplifier settings in the middle of a show? I've been in many venues where the amp racks are not located FOH, sometimes floors away from the stage. (doesn't make it right, I suppose). I like the self-powered speakers because it gives me the ability to add outputs to my theatre without having to tie amps into the system. My spaces were built with a multitude of mic/line connections so I can easily get sound out of a self-powered speaker. Putting in a traditional cabinet involves finding one of the (too few) speaker jacks) and running a long cable to where I need the cabinet located. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Who's got the designer? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: You win! Sorry, no prizes... Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 Larry Wild wrote: Mike Brubaker posted: "There's a great story about a certain lighting designer...Who's got the designer?" Jean Rosenthal? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:17:35 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-Reply-To: References:

And here I was trying to figure out why he was sending me his spot color list... Paul On 1/26/07, Jerry Durand wrote: > At 03:19 PM 1/26/2007, Ken Romaine wrote: > > >Nope... > > > >"Matt Gard" > > I meant his signature was "\x63\x75\x74\x65\x21\r\n" > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1E21.5020105 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:17:37 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: House lights References: In-Reply-To: Philip Johnson wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > The university I work at is looking at new lamps to use in the auditorium > lights. They proposed the flourescent floods which they say are > dimmable.(it says so on the box) I am concerned with their ability to be > used at low intensity and also if they bump when they fade up to a full > intensity. Currently they do the typical flash as all flourescent lamps do. One thing I've found is to get the campus electricians involved in testing it out. Find a couple of days when the theatre is dark invite them in to swap out a few lamps. Leave a circuit or two of the old incandescents for comparison (light output, smoothness of dimming). Fade the lights up and down, take some measurements of the output and park them at 10% as you would for a tech rehearsal (well, I would, at least.) If they work for your purposes, great. If not, the electricians were there seeing them flicker and flash and can help make your case to the PTB. I actually had a campus start changing my house lights to CFLs without letting me know -- until first dress when the lights dimmed and we felt like we'd walked into a disco. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE1E74.6010800 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:19:00 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Lets just say that I have throw away MANY invitations to join AARP... > /s/ Richard But the AARP starts sending the invitations out at 34. I just got my first one, to my wife's great amusement. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701290819t3acecbacqb22db8fae50741cc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:19:37 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: References:

>>>a possible fix for the panic bars is to secure them with the (if present) set screw that I have found on some crashbars that allow the bars to be pushed in and held in place. This does not lock the doors or prevent them from operating but do cut down on some of the noise. The latch on the outside door handle is what causes much of the noise when you do this as they are now no longer needed to disengage the crashbar to open the door.<<< Almost every house I've ever worked for had a hex key on hand so that house managment could "lock/unlock" the crashbar. Works everytime!! Good call!! -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:05:22 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help Message-id: Greetings oh wise listers - I'm on a committee that is charged with retooling the method by which our department chooses faculty/staff as well as student designers for our mainstage productions. We generally offer two theatrical productions and one dance production each semester. I'm looking for a free-wheeling discussion based on what your department is doing now, as well as what your best-case-scenario would be. We're a department which offers a BA and a BS in theatre, with a BA in dance coming online in the fall. We currently serve about 80 majors and 40 minors. The BA students can take a "track" in "Design & Production", "General Theatre", or "Performance". So on to the questions: Do you offer both undergraduate and graduate degrees? How many majors/minors? Do the (presumed) faculty directors get a say in who is on their production team? Is there a meeting of all interested parties (or entire department) to comment on non-production skills of potential student designers (ex... yeah, they passed the intro to design class, but they failed to show up for work calls two weeks running...). Are student designers chosen solely on the basis of classroom performance, or do they have to have some working knowledge of the relevant shop or gear? Is there a requirement at your school that only persons with an MFA in a specific area get to design in that specific area, or does "equivalent experience" count when choosing designers? Is there requirements that only full-time tenure-track faculty be allowed to take non-student designer roles, or are qualified part- time faculty and staff allowed to participate? Thanks in advance for all the input! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:22:25 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 10:10, Jim, RC4 Wireless wrote: >> However, when it comes to switch settings on a lot of digital >> equipment, the least significant digit is often on the left. > > This is true, and it's something I quite dislike. OTOH, it would appear that I'm more suited to setting dip switches than programming computers. I've been called a "dip" before - maybe that's why! ;-) Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <06ba01c743c1$c2c04c80$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:23:04 -0800 >> Lets just say that I have throw away MANY invitations to join AARP... >> /s/ Richard > > But the AARP starts sending the invitations out at 34. I just got my > first one, to my wife's great amusement. > > Steve L. > I don't know what the qualifications are to join, but I'm pretty sure AARP's only requirement for an invitation is that you have a birthday. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701290825v4bb88e18r1fbde78f7fb83e25 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:25:25 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Montclair >>>Since so one really answered, I will. Montclair is in New Jersey, USA.<<< Yeah, and their loading dock sits right on the top of a nice little drop-off/hill. Granted there is a rail, but if you're not paying attention loading in some cases and what not, it's a little creepy, catching you off guard! Plus, if you take Rt. 3 coming out of the Lincoln Tunnel, you have drive past Giants Stadium.....ugh! :)- -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Montclair Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c743c2$95a148c0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Plus, if you take Rt. 3 coming out of the Lincoln Tunnel, you > have drive past Giants Stadium.....ugh! ...Which I can see from my front yard. Double ugh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:28:12 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Powered Speakers In-reply-to: Message-id: <91CDE6D7-7E7B-44AC-AAB5-296C271819AC [at] appstate.edu> References:

On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > Gregg Carville wrote: >> We are looking at getting some powered speakers that will act as >> multifunction units. > > Gregg, > > I have always been a fan of the Meyer UPM line. 18" x 6" but with > a big, fat, full-range sound. We just purchased a set of four and > they can match our house cabinets for SPL. > > Steve L. Gregg, If you have the budget for the Meyers, I withdraw my recommendation of the Eons and heartily endorse Steve's idea. I have sold/used/installed Meyers as well, and I absolutely love them. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701290835u2ee52449u93542f8b019dc4ab [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:35:05 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Montclair In-Reply-To: References:

> > Plus, if you take Rt. 3 coming out of the Lincoln Tunnel, you > > have drive past Giants Stadium.....ugh! > > ...Which I can see from my front yard. Double ugh. Ha!! Whaddya, live in a swamp Jeff? Or in the Raddison (or whatever it is these days) right outside the stadium? A stable at the complex? Or across the Pike..... on a swamp? Either way..... :)- -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Montclair Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:37:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c743c3$cdd3ec10$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Whaddya, live in a swamp Jeff? Well, Secaucus. I guess that qualifies. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c743c3$fccaa090$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Do you truly know the prices for Foy's installation and flying? As compared to other competent groups? Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hyslop Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:09 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stephen Rees wrote: > Am coming to this kind of late in the discussion but I would certainly > hesitate to select a production where flying effects were required knowing > that there were issues with paying for a company with appropriate skills and > equipment to safely create the effects. Agreed, but... My point (and I believe Stuart's as well) was that it is quite easy to infer from many of the messages "You must go with Foy because they're the best." Surely there must be other companies with competence in flying people, with prices that are more likely to be within the theatre company's budget. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: "Jim, RC4 Wireless" References:

Subject: RE: [user_group] Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <005e01c743c4$4010c3c0$6700a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: Drywaller #1 says to drywaller #2, "Hey - why you throwin' away so many screws?" "'Cause they point the wrong way," belches drywaller #2. Drywaller #1 is dumbfounded. "Yer a goof! You save those for the other wall!!" :) Jim > > Sometimes you can turn the unit upside down to get things lined up > > more sensibly. :) > Or, if you can't visualize it, just turn the lookup table or > calculator upside down. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE242F.6080402 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:43:27 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool References: In-Reply-To: Steve Shelley wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > And trying to keep it frozen doesn't make it any easier. Or lighter. But ice floats, Steve. Surely it must be lighter... :-D Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Michael de Almeida Subject: Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:49:59 -0500 On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Michael Powers wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Michael de Almeida writes: > > <<.....You have to convert to Hex then look it up on your friendly > ASCII > table. It actually comes out to 51. ................>> > > I could only wish. Actually Andy got it right, 61. Yea, realized that after I sent it. 0110 is "6" Oops. Still got the formula right for partial credit. :-) When you convert BCD (Binary Coded Decimal). You break the binary down into 4 bits, then convert each number. 0000 is 0 through 1001 is 9. You can't have a number higher then 9 per nibble in BCD. 0011 0110 0011 0001 would be 3631. Mike de Almeida ATD/ME/MA Phone: (860) 560-0771 Theaterworks E-mail: humhead [at] comcast.net Hartford CT Web: http://www.theaterworkshartford.org ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:48:50 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070129.084921.15735.1098271 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous = 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component), 'did' lots of sit- ins, love-ins, teach-ins and went to my first USITT Conference in '74. /s/ Richard ________________________ = >> Lets just say that I have thrown away MANY invitations to join = AARP... >> /s/ Richard ___________________________ > But the AARP starts sending the invitations out at 34. I just got = my first one, to my wife's great amusement. > Steve L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:41:48 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Powered Speakers In-reply-to: Message-id: <330D9EAD-12EF-4499-8B13-B04EAB970B64 [at] appstate.edu> References:

On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > CB wrote: > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> OTOH, what is the attraction of running both a signal cable and >> power to >> the box instead of just a speaker cable? In addition, youi get to >> put all >> the amplifier controls out in front of the audience or out by the >> performers, so any adjustment/repair that you wish to make either >> stops the >> show or includes you in it. > > I'll admit that I don't have your sound experience, CB, but how > often do you have to adjust amplifier settings in the middle of a > show? I've been in many venues where the amp racks are not located > FOH, sometimes floors away from the stage. (doesn't make it right, > I suppose). > > I like the self-powered speakers because it gives me the ability to > add outputs to my theatre without having to tie amps into the > system. My spaces were built with a multitude of mic/line > connections so I can easily get sound out of a self-powered > speaker. Putting in a traditional cabinet involves finding one of > the (too few) speaker jacks) and running a long cable to where I > need the cabinet located. > > Steve L. Steve, I _think_ CB had his tongue in his cheek with that comment about becoming part of the show, but I dunno... Some of the advantages: higher efficiency, manufacturer-matched amps/ speakers, no appreciable line loss, portability, ease of setup. One big disadvantage: if an amp goes down, you can't swap it out as easily. The box is dead. For me, self-powered systems mean darn-near-instant scalability without reconfiguring the amp racks or adding more of them. Note: you still must track wattage/amperage, of course. Portability and ease of set-up with sometimes inexperienced but well-meaning festival crews is another distinct advantage for me. And for a 200-person audience for a lecture, when I have to bring in sound? Hands down, self- powered for me every time. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Who's got the designer? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <017d01c743c6$74c98d20$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Ooh. That could be interesting. I knew Jean ......dr. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Wild, Larry Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:17 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Who's got the designer? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Mike Brubaker posted: "There's a great story about a certain lighting designer...Who's got the designer?" Jean Rosenthal? Larry Wild Aberdeeb, SD ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:59:15 -0700 Message-ID: <019e01c743c6$cf417e70$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: And I was born the day before the Great Depression, and no more nasty comments .... it was not my fault. Sort of. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:49 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component), 'did' lots of sit- ins, love-ins, teach-ins and went to my first USITT Conference in '74. /s/ Richard ________________________ >> Lets just say that I have thrown away MANY invitations to join AARP... >> /s/ Richard ___________________________ > But the AARP starts sending the invitations out at 34. I just got my first one, to my wife's great amusement. > Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7491888.1170090087690.JavaMail.? [at] fh035.dia.cp.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:01:27 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) <> While I think this may be a bit overreacting... no, a lot overreacting. Get yourself a fight coordinator. It's what they're for. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <16573535.1170090291373.JavaMail.? [at] fh035.dia.cp.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:04:51 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT > >We just purchased a new TV remote control for my father-in-law who has > >limited grasping function in his only usable hand. The buttons are > >good and large and he can manipulate them OK. The problem is the very > >slick surface of the case which causes him to loose the thing with > >great regularity. Silicone caulk brushed on or E-6000 will give a "sticky " like surface. Perhaps attaching the remote to a partial glove or adding some sort of tab that fits between his fingers. The dip it suff for hand tools gets sticky and real dirty with age. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:11:09 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References:

Having been in the flying business for many years and having worked for two of the three major companies in the US, I can tell you that price is only one reason (and a small one at that) for clients selecting one company over another. Many times the client just prefers the attitude of one company over another. Sometimes it is because the client wants a particular flying director for their production (yes, companies often get requests for a specific flying director). Sometimes the client will just choose the closest company. Sometimes it has to do with the kind of equipment or specific effect needed. Sometimes one campany may just be "booked" during the time that a client needs to load-in. I have seen all of these reasons, and many more, for clients choosing one company over another. Most of the time, the reason is that the client has heard good things about a particular company, and so they only go to them for a quote. Prices tend to be fairly competitive between the companies. Let me put in a plug in here for a related session that I am chairing at USITT . The session is called Flying Performers and Design (Wed. at 2:00PM). There will be a scenic designer, a lighting designer, a costume designer, and two flying directors (including me) discussing how to design for shows with flying effects. It should be an interesting discussion on how to handle the design challenges created by having flying performers in a show. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:29:03 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Eric Montague writes >Mercotac products page: http://www.mercotac.com/html/products.html And there was me going to jokingly suggest mercury wetted slip rings. -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270701290938j229d1610wd14591f500a03de3 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:05 -0500 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: References:

> Friday, January 26, 2007, Nathan Kahn wrote: > > How old are the people on this list anyway? Okay then - I win! I was the youngest person to identify that followspot lamp :-) Nathan (46) Kahn www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: "C. Dopher" Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:12 -0500 Vicki wrote: > > The last one is because we have panic bars on all the exit doors > and they > make horrendous noise when opened and closed. Vicki, I worked in a Missouri venue with crash bars for several years. Missouri law allows you to lock the crash bars open (depressed position; doors close but don't latch). We had to use a coffin-lock key on ours through a small hole in the underside. Do your lock open in a similar fashion? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:41:52 -0500 Subject: Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yes. It is true. It is lighter. Until the fire department chain-saws through the city's mains and all the ice equipment goes quiet (and the theatre gets dark) and everything turns into a BIG puddle.... On 1/29/07 11:43 AM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Shelley wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> And trying to keep it frozen doesn't make it any easier. Or lighter. > > But ice floats, Steve. Surely it must be lighter... > > :-D > > Steve L. -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:50:46 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Student introductions In-Reply-To: References:

I remember using both, but I agree with Paul and Steve R - I think zinc.com was first. Of course, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong. (D. Miller) -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/29/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: > > > Can't remember that far back anymore but I recall having used > > both. I think zinc.com was first but would not swear to it. > > Steve R > > > > > > Which came first, zinc.com or inquo.net? Anyone remember? > > I'd have to wager zinc.com, cuz I don't recall ever using that > address... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FFC2 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous > 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component) Aren't those two statements mutually exclusive? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:55:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0744FFC8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net > And I was born the day before the Great Depression, and no=20 > more nasty comments .... it was not my fault. Sort of. Doom=20 Ah, glorious synchronicity... :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070129130619.20ayn7l2os84og4w [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:06:19 -0500 From: Andy Champ-Doran Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? References:

In-Reply-To: >> Lets just say that I have throw away MANY invitations to join AARP... >> /s/ Richard > > But the AARP starts sending the invitations out at 34. I just got my > first one, to my wife's great amusement. > > Steve L. Or, Steve, you could have a smart-alecky younger brother, who thinks this is just the funniest birthday gift he can have sent to you. Just ask my older brother. Andy C-D ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001801c743d0$9fb02c10$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:09:26 -0800 >From: "Paul Schreiner" >> OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous >> 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component) >Aren't those two statements mutually exclusive? I don't remember. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:13:18 -0700 From: Davy Davis Subject: Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help In-reply-to: Message-id: <45BE393E.7020904 [at] du.edu> References: > > So on to the questions: > Do you offer both undergraduate and graduate degrees? BA only, no tracks > How many majors/minors? 43 majors, 12 minors > Do the (presumed) faculty directors get a say in who is on their > production team? Very little > Is there a meeting of all interested parties (or entire department) to > comment on non-production skills of potential student designers (ex... > yeah, they passed the intro to design class, but they failed to show up > for work calls two weeks running...). Not formally, we all know all the students > Are student designers chosen solely on the basis of classroom > performance, or do they have to have some working knowledge of the > relevant shop or gear? Must have performed well in class plus worked at least once as an Assistant Designer and designed a number of student productions (Each senior does one so there is a lot of opportunity) > Is there a requirement at your school that only persons with an MFA in a > specific area get to design in that specific area, or does "equivalent > experience" count when choosing designers? We choose the best designers and I have never asked what degrees they hold. For instance, our sound designer never finished his BA but has worked at both Steppenwolf and the Denver Center Theatre Company. > Is there requirements that only full-time tenure-track faculty be > allowed to take non-student designer roles, or are qualified part-time > faculty and staff allowed to participate? Everyone is welcome to play with us..... Davy William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver wdavis [at] du.edu 303-871-3164 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:55:06 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-reply-to: Message-id: References: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> "One of our audience members tonight just served five years for >> assaulting >> someone who talked during a performance. We don't know where he's >> sitting, >> so you should probably assume he's next to you." > I like to use humor in my announcements as well. Seems to get more cooperation (except for the *$*#&$* Intro students who use the light from their cell phones to take notes). Some of my favorites: "At this time I'd like to ask you to turn off all cell phones, pagers, candy wrappers... and small children (wait for snickering). The first 3 of those items may be checked with the house manager..." "Remember, if you MUST open that piece of candy during the show, there is scientific evidence supporting the theory that it's quieter if you just open it all at once, rather than dragging out the agony over several minutes." "Please be courteous to your neighbors and don't talk during the show. Nobody cares who you're dating." And for dance recitals, when the hall is rented and forbidding all cameras is seen as the equivalent of stoning puppies "If you must take photographs, please turn off your flash. With all the light on the stage, all you're going to get with a flash is a very bright picture of the head of the person sitting in front of you." We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell phone would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) cell phone and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask if there are any questions. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2007 Ride - NY, Ottawa, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine - c'mon and ride with us! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Stephen Litterst wrote: >> And trying to keep it frozen doesn't make it any easier. Or lighter. > > But ice floats, Steve. Surely it must be lighter... Less dense.... C ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701291025ya99bc4csedef70dd502da4e4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:25:27 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Montclair In-Reply-To: References:

> > Whaddya, live in a swamp Jeff? > > Well, Secaucus. I guess that qualifies. Sure does. Amongst other choice "terms". :)- -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1117 ******************************