Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41798425; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:46:56 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41798328; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:46:47 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,INFO_TLD, NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, SARE_ADULT2,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_NQ,TW_QO autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1118 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:45:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1118 1. First LD WAS: How old ARE.. by Eddie Kramer 2. Re: First LD WAS: How old ARE.. by "Michael Brubaker" 3. Re: how old?? by 4. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by 5. Re: ETC Eos by William McLachlan 6. Re: First LD WAS: How old ARE.. by Herrick Goldman 7. Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "David Fox" 8. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by Thomas Grabowski 9. The age of a tongue by "Frank E. Merrill" 10. The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Mick Alderson 11. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Bill Sapsis 12. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Charlie Richmond 13. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 14. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by "Delbert Hall" 15. Re: Flying people by Bill & Judy Russell 16. Video of the Jeep Waterfall by "Alf Sauve" 17. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 18. Re: Flying people by "RD" 19. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Eddie Kramer 20. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by Myself 21. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 22. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 23. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 24. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by CB 25. Re: Flying people by Bill Sapsis 26. Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" by Stuart Baulch 27. Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help by Stephen Rees 28. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 29. WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by "Ellen White" 30. Re: Slick Surfaces - OT by "Rob Riddle" 31. Lighting glass panels by Stuart Baulch 32. Peter Pan Flying Effects by "Alan Bryson" 33. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stuart Wheaton 34. Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by "Paul Schreiner" 35. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by "Ken Romaine" 36. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Clive Mitchell 37. Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool by Steve Shelley 38. Building a theatre by "Paul Marsland" 39. Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by "Laura McMeley" 40. Re: Lighting glass panels by "Steven Haworth" 41. Re: Peter Pan Flying Effects by Pat Kight 42. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Stuart Wheaton 43. Re: Lighting glass panels by "Bill Nelson" 44. Re: Lighting glass panels by Steve Shelley 45. Re: Peter Pan Flying Effects by Andrew Vance 46. Re: Lighting glass panels by "Matt Gard" 47. Re: Traveling to URTA by Rigger 48. Re: flying people-why? by Chip Wood 49. Re: Flying people by Bruce Purdy 50. Re: electricity to revolving stage by 51. Re: Flying people by 52. Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) by MartySrq [at] aol.com 53. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Chip Wood 54. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 55. Re: Flying people by 56. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 57. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Brian Aldous 58. those kinds of bolts by Allison Koster 59. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Bruce Purdy 60. Re: Introductions by CB 61. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Chip Wood 62. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Al Fitch 63. Re: All the Montclair students by "Katrina Wiechmann" 64. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 65. Re: All the Montclair students by "Paul Schreiner" 66. Re: Movies & PA by CB 67. Re: Flying people by Rigger 68. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 69. Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by Andrew Vance *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:37:20 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: First LD WAS: How old ARE.. On 1/29/07 Michael Brubaker sent: >There's a great story about a certain lighting designer (the first person >separately credited as a lighting designer, if that gives a hint). The story is about Jean Rosenthal, but the hint is about Abe Feder. The IBDB has her earliest LD credit as _Rosalinda_ (1942) See http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?id=25879 Feder's (as he was know) first LD credit is for _Four Saints in Three Acts_ (1934) See http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?ID=25648 Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: First LD WAS: How old ARE.. Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:45:44 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Eddie, I stand (rather, sit) corrected. Thanks! Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 T: 317.298.3961 x117 F: 317-293-0281 -----Original Message----- Eddie Kramer wrote: On 1/29/07 Michael Brubaker sent: >There's a great story about a certain lighting designer (the first person >separately credited as a lighting designer, if that gives a hint). The story is about Jean Rosenthal, but the hint is about Abe Feder. The IBDB has her earliest LD credit as _Rosalinda_ (1942) See http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?id=2 5879 Feder's (as he was know) first LD credit is for _Four Saints in Three Acts_ (1934) See http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?ID=2 5648 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: how old?? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:58:18 +0000 Message-Id: <20070129185818.RZRV26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Michael de Almeida > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 06:45:19 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: how old?? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Clive Mitchell wrote: > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > stagecraft.theprices.net/> > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Nah, I get 13,873 too. > > > > 1+16+32+512+1024+4096+8192 = 13873. > > Hey Guys, > > You have to convert to Hex then look it up on your friendly ASCII > table. It actually comes out to 51. I think this is the way it was > intended. At least I hope so. :-) > > 0011 0110 0011 0001 = 35 31 = 5 1 > Sorry to dash your hopes, but you forgot to allow for the place values. Your figures 3531, in superhex, really mean 3*16^3 + 5816^2 + 3*16^1 + 1*16^0 Sure enough , this comes to 13,873. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:14:33 +0000 Message-Id: <20070129191433.VFIH29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: MissWisc [at] aol.com > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 08:07:12 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Come to Appleton, WI. I'll introduce you to many. Our IA local has always > had women stagehands - not only wardrobe/dressers, but stagehands who do it > all. I've even worked in heels and a skirt, all black of course. I have done the male equivalent, doing the DSM on our fiftieth anniversary production of "Peer Gynt" in a dinner suit, but with a fine black roll-neck sweater rather than a dress shirt. The SM was similarly attired, as Royalty was present. I should explain, incidentally, that our job titles carry different meanings. On this show, we were both on patrol, looking for snags and dealing with them. The show was called by the ASM who had kept the book. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: William McLachlan Subject: Re: ETC Eos Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:59:48 -0800 Yes indeedy, the Undo key doesn't do what undo should do yet. They're working on it fast and furious. In the meantime, the undo key clears the command line at least, so that's something? :) It was sort of like walking a high wire with no net...but that's why they call it "the bleeding edge". There are also several keys on the desk that are NOT yet labeled that don't have a function yet, and they're a hot commodity let me tell you. People have all sorts of wild ideas for what they should do. There's not as of yet a single faceplate key to enter the macro editor - it requires a trip to the browser menu with your finger or with the mouse. There's an unlabeled and unassigned key that has "Macro" in it's future I hope. Cheers, Willy On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:18 PM, John Gibilisco wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Is the EOS still beta? There are several keys on the desk that are > labeled > but don't do anything. > > Like the UNDO key. > > John G > Omaha Playhouse > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:18:39 -0500 Subject: Re: First LD WAS: How old ARE.. From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23884460.1170095891178.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Eddie weren't you the Front Light op for those shows? SEE! That's what ya get for not coming to drinks night! On 1/29/07 1:37 PM, "Eddie Kramer" wrote: > Feder's (as he was know) first LD credit is for _Four Saints in Three Acts_ > (1934) See > http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?ID=256 > 48 > > > > Eddie -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Subject: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:24:44 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "David Fox" If memory serves the initial iteration of the list was with Brad Davis through Zinc.com. At least it was when I joined in 91. The move to Inqou did not happen until the mid to early late 90's ( I wanna go out on a limb here and say 95) As for my age..... I am as old as my tongue and a little bit older than my teeth (use your fancy shmancy calculators to figure that one out!!) John Palmer was talking about his first C-wrench which lends me to an idea for a new thread... What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? In my case It would be my left-handed Crescent Wrench that I purchased when I was 15. Left-handed Says I... Impossible says you? Possible says I. The mechanism is reversed and every right handed person who touches it flings it away from themselves in frustration and torment.=20 And before you say it YES I combined 3 threads into 1 post and posted it anyway See the disclaimer and....=20 (Like the digests need more bandwidth at this point anyway) _________________________________ =20 It is important to note that the opinions of the individual and those of their employer are not always aligned.=20 What you read should be construed as my opinion and not the opinion of my employer. If you don't like or agree with my thoughts and musings; I am the one you should take to task and not the nice people who pay me. =20 Be Seeing You David Fox _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:10 -0600 From: Thomas Grabowski Subject: RE:The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool Message-id: >From: "Adriane Bennett" >Subject: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool I don't check email on Saturday afternoon, Sunday, or til after my Monday morning classes and there are 325 messages in the digest to read. What a Monday. For our production of Metamorphoses I used a an 8' diameter pool, 11" deep. This allowed me to put a cover over the top. While the water is nice and very appropriate for some of the episodes, the director was not forced into having to deal with the water for all the episodes. --=20 Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:36:03 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <452983749.20070129143603 [at] tcon.net> Subject: The age of a tongue In-Reply-To: References:

Howdy ! Monday, January 29, 2007, David Fox wrote: > I am as old as my tongue and a little bit older than my teeth And I'M old enough to remember that the originator of that line was Kris Kringle in "Miracle on 34th Street" when it was still copyrighted! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:36:16 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions Message-id: <471E4D68-448B-41F2-9F03-D05AE2F519AF [at] uwosh.edu> Ken Romaine wrote: > I remember using both, but I agree with Paul and Steve R - I think > zinc.com was first. > > Of course, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong. (D. Miller > ) That sounds right. As I recall, Brad Davis was the administrator when the List was at zinc.com; then Brad got a new job, and migrated the List with him to inquo.net, even though his new job wasn't in theatre. However, Brad was not able to give the list the attention it needed, so Steve Jones took it over at mtsu.edu, where it lived on a Mac acting as server in Steve's office. But that got flakey as the list grew in size, and Noah (and the "migration committee") moved it to it's present home on Noah's server. Did I miss any steps? Thanks to ALL who have kept this thing going all these years! Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:49:54 -0500 Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I think you got it Mick. Anyone here besides me ever actually meet Brad? Bill S. ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/29/07 2:36 PM, "Mick Alderson" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > As I recall, Brad Davis was the administrator when the List was at > zinc.com; then Brad got a new job, and migrated the List with him to > inquo.net, even though his new job wasn't in theatre. However, Brad > was not able to give the list the attention it needed, so Steve Jones > took it over at mtsu.edu, where it lived on a Mac acting as server in > Steve's office. But that got flakey as the list grew in size, and > Noah (and the "migration committee") moved it to it's present home on > Noah's server. > > Did I miss any steps? > > Thanks to ALL who have kept this thing going all these years! > > Mick Alderson > > TD, Fredric March Theatre > University of Wisconsin Oshkosh > > alderson [at] uwosh.edu > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Mick Alderson wrote: > the list grew in size, and Noah (and the "migration committee") moved it to > it's present home on Noah's server. I still include a credit to this group in my introduction to the show-control mailing list: The Show Control Mailing List was inspired by the renewal of the stagecraft mailing list in June 1998. This information file has been adapted from the Stagecraft List's welcome and information file with the permission of that list's working group. Charlie | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | | Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html | | SoundMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sndmanlist.html | | AudioBox List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html | | ShowMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/smlist.html | | "Let distribution undo excess - And each man have enough" | | - King Lear | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:59:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <444653.85398.qm [at] web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My ex got one at age 19! Jacki --- Stephen Litterst > > Lets just say that I have throw away MANY > invitations to join AARP... > > /s/ Richard > > But the AARP starts sending the invitations out > at 34. I just got my > first one, to my wife's great amusement. > > Steve L. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:02:31 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions In-Reply-To: References:

> Anyone here besides me ever actually meet Brad? > > Bill S. I know I met Brad somewhere. I am thinking it was at the Stagecraft list reception at USITT in Las Vegas in 1995, but I could be mistaken. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:58:57 -0800 From: Bill & Judy Russell Subject: Re: Flying people Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Message-id: <00e401c743df$e9d8b550$6500a8c0 [at] BillyNote> References:

We presented Peter Pan 4 years ago. There was no question about professional flying or not. Foy provided the flying effects....expertly. Our costs for the actual Foy hardware, design and personel were half of the shipping and brokerage costs. The Foy costs were approx $2.5K Cdn + expenses(Hotel/Travel/Per Diem)The Shipping, brokerage and insurance was nearly 5K........be very careful when arranging this service....take the time to explore all your options!! The Foy experience was great and all, but we were shocked by the "additional" costs of the service. Bill British Columbia Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "RD" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Flying people > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Do you truly know the prices for Foy's installation and flying? As > compared > to other competent groups? Doom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Hyslop > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:09 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Flying people > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stephen Rees wrote: >> Am coming to this kind of late in the discussion but I would certainly >> hesitate to select a production where flying effects were required >> knowing >> that there were issues with paying for a company with appropriate skills > and >> equipment to safely create the effects. > Agreed, but... My point (and I believe Stuart's as well) was that it is > quite easy to infer from many of the messages "You must go with Foy > because they're the best." Surely there must be other companies with > competence in flying people, with prices that are more likely to be > within the theatre company's budget. > > -- > Jim Hyslop > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 > 2:49 PM > > ------------------------------ Subject: Video of the Jeep Waterfall Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" =20 I've been behind a little (700+ message to catch up on), so this may have been posted before Please excuse if so. Really cool display. Here's two different links to basically the same thing. http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/jeep_waterfall?id=3DZ2LUz2WVcek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZ2LUz2WVcek Alf ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:25:57 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070129.122630.15672.1100904 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> In my younger years, I all but destroyed a few tuxedos while working = various Academy Award broadcasts. = /s/ Richard ______________________________ > Come to Appleton, WI. I'll introduce you to many. Our IA local has = always had women stagehands - not only wardrobe/dressers, but = stagehands who do it all. I've even worked in heels and a skirt, all = black of course. I have done the male equivalent, doing the DSM on our fiftieth = anniversary production of "Peer Gynt" in a dinner suit, but with a = fine black roll-neck sweater rather than a dress shirt. The SM was = similarly attired, as Royalty was present. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: <022501c743e3$f3133d30$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: For many of you in the business of consulting, rigging, etc: I know the cost of Errors and Omissions for insurance is pretty darn high, at least in my case, and I have a fairly decent record. Flying people is an area where when you call the insurance broker and carrier and want to be covered ....well, pretty darn high. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Russell Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:59 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We presented Peter Pan 4 years ago. There was no question about professional flying or not. Foy provided the flying effects....expertly. Our costs for the actual Foy hardware, design and personel were half of the shipping and brokerage costs. The Foy costs were approx $2.5K Cdn + expenses(Hotel/Travel/Per Diem)The Shipping, brokerage and insurance was nearly 5K........be very careful when arranging this service....take the time to explore all your options!! The Foy experience was great and all, but we were shocked by the "additional" costs of the service. Bill British Columbia Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "RD" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Flying people > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Do you truly know the prices for Foy's installation and flying? As > compared > to other competent groups? Doom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Hyslop > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:09 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Flying people > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stephen Rees wrote: >> Am coming to this kind of late in the discussion but I would certainly >> hesitate to select a production where flying effects were required >> knowing >> that there were issues with paying for a company with appropriate skills > and >> equipment to safely create the effects. > Agreed, but... My point (and I believe Stuart's as well) was that it is > quite easy to infer from many of the messages "You must go with Foy > because they're the best." Surely there must be other companies with > competence in flying people, with prices that are more likely to be > within the theatre company's budget. > > -- > Jim Hyslop > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 1/29/2007 > 2:49 PM > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:33:41 -0500 From: Eddie Kramer Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions On 1/29/07 Bill Sapsis sent: >I think you got it Mick. Anyone here besides me ever actually meet Brad? Me! Me! He came to NY on business, (posted he was coming on the list), and I gave him a tour. He also told me someone else started the list and he toke it over. Eddie -- -------------------- Eddie Kramer IATSE #1 Member NEC Panel 15 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701291242k5d67817foefedd51d8130c3fa [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:42:42 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? In-Reply-To: References: On 1/29/07, ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In my younger years, I all but destroyed a few tuxedos while working > various Academy Award broadcasts. > /s/ Richard > _ While dressing cable for a Kennedy Center Honors show, I remember having to paint my brand new sneakers black to match my tux. When I protested to the cameraman, he replied " Your on double golden secret overtime by now, go paint your damn shoes or wear the dress shoes that came with the tux" My first pair of black tennis shoes... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:42:58 GMT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Message-Id: <20070129.124310.15672.1101036 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Works for me... /s/ Richard _____________________ We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the = announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell = phone would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) = cell phone and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask = if there are any questions. -=3DGreg Williams=3D- ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:49:17 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070129.124923.15672.1101084 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> Well, Its been said that "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there". /s/ Richard ________________________________ >From: "Paul Schreiner" >> OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous >> 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component) >Aren't those two statements mutually exclusive? I don't remember. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:56:38 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References:

> The Foy costs were approx $2.5K Cdn + > expenses(Hotel/Travel/Per Diem)The Shipping, brokerage and insurance was > nearly 5K........be very careful when arranging this service....take the > time to explore all your options!! The Foy experience was great and all, > but we were shocked by the "additional" costs of the service. Most companys can tell you the shipping cost and per diem before you sign a contract. Travel can be estimated. The client usually pays the hotel directely. Insurance should be included in the cost, not added extra. However, in Canada this is not always true. Most flying effects companies typically carry $1 mil in liability insurance. But for jobs in Canada I have been required to carry $2 mil in liability insurance (not sure why, I have not had this anywhere else). The cost of the additional insurance gets billed to the client. This makes it more expensive for Canadian companies to get flying effects from the US. I hope this helps. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129134515.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:45:15 From: CB Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? >IA Local 33 in LA has female Stagehands. No big deal. There are also = >lots of females in more than 50 other IA locals in California. >I've never known any "ladies" who worked backstage. Not having a penis doesn't qualify you as a lady any more than having one qualifies you to use power tools. It ain't the plumbing, it's the wiring, brotha! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:14:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Flying people From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: We ship stuff into Canada all the time. It is very expensive to get stuff across the border. And the brokerage firms are highway robbers. Unfortunately, the brokerage costs are not within anyone's control, at least no one that I've found so far. But when I do find that person....... On 1/29/07 3:56 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: >> The Foy costs were approx $2.5K Cdn + >> expenses(Hotel/Travel/Per Diem)The Shipping, brokerage and insurance was >> nearly 5K........be very careful when arranging this service....take the >> time to explore all your options!! The Foy experience was great and all, >> but we were shocked by the "additional" costs of the service. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:15:40 -0500 Subject: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" In-Reply-To: References: From: Stuart Baulch Message-Id: <1170105340.1E61DD24 [at] bi12.dngr.org> So we're here on the rehearsing on the afternoon of the final preview of "Three Penny Opera" ( http://soulpepper.ca/productions/2007/play_1.html )and the lighting designer announces that she has just spent the weekend reading Brecht's poem "The Lighting" and that she just MUST relight the entire show. She was kidding. I had never read it before so I thought that I would share it with those on the list who might not have seen it before. Stuart B The Lighting Electrician Give us light on our stage How can we disclose We playwrights and actors Images to the world in semi-darkness ? The sleepy twilight sends to sleep. Yet we need our watchers wide awake. Indeed we need them vigilant. Let them dream in brightness. The little bit Of night that's wanted now and then Our lamps and moons can indicate. And we with our acting too can keep The times of day apart. The Elizabethan wrote us Verses on a heath at evening Which no lights will ever reach Nor even the heath itself embrace. Therefore flood full on What we have made with work That the watcher may see The indignant peasant Sit down upon the soil of Tavastland As though it were her own. B Brecht from the Theatrecrafts website http://www.theatrecrafts.com/lx_brecht.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:19:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Choosing designers in an academic situation - Request for help From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/29/07 11:05 AM, "Greg Williams" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings oh wise listers - > > I'm on a committee that is charged with retooling the method by which > our department chooses faculty/staff as well as student designers for > our mainstage productions. We generally offer two theatrical > productions and one dance production each semester. We support a musical, a dance concert, three plays, one opera per season. All get full support of sets, lites, costumes, shop, sound, et al. The opera is a concert version in alternate years. > > So on to the questions: > Do you offer both undergraduate and graduate degrees? Only undergraduate. BA Theatre, BFA Musical Theatre, BFA Acting, BFA Production and Design, BFA Dance begins Fall 07. > How many majors/minors? 151 Majors, 40 minors in theatre, 35 in dance. > Do the (presumed) faculty directors get a say in who is on their > production team? Generally not. Production faculty make these decisions. Usually no whining about it. > Is there a meeting of all interested parties (or entire department) > to comment on non-production skills of potential student designers > (ex... yeah, they passed the intro to design class, but they failed > to show up for work calls two weeks running...). WE do juries (barriers) in all areas except BA for each class. Also, we discuss ASSIGNMENTS for individuals after those juries. Students may REQUEST specific assignments, but we ASSIGN the jobs. > Are student designers chosen solely on the basis of classroom > performance, or do they have to have some working knowledge of the > relevant shop or gear? The latter. In truth, because so much work is of the lecture/lab type, the classroom flows into the shop. > Is there a requirement at your school that only persons with an MFA > in a specific area get to design in that specific area, or does > "equivalent experience" count when choosing designers? NO > Is there requirements that only full-time tenure-track faculty be > allowed to take non-student designer roles, or are qualified part- > time faculty and staff allowed to participate? Definately not. Hope this helps, Greg. Holler if you want to know more. Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia > > > Thanks in advance for all the input! > -=Greg Williams=- > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:19:51 GMT Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Message-Id: <20070129.132050.15672.1101280 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> I do not believe that I used the word 'Lady' or Ladies', though there = are many that deserve that title in LA. Besides, its not the wiring, = its the upbringing, in any case. Formally, it was called 'Breeding', = but that is now politically incorrect in an era of genetic engineering. /s/ Richard __________________________ >IA Local 33 in LA has female Stagehands. No big deal. There are also =3D= >lots of females in more than 50 other IA locals in California. >I've never known any "ladies" who worked backstage. = Not having a penis doesn't qualify you as a lady any more than having = one qualifies you to use power tools. It ain't the plumbing, it's the = wiring, brotha! Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Subject: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:22:21 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Ellen White" Pulling off the dust cover and actually using the keyboard: Earlier posts talked about finding summer jobs... Does any other state offer anything similar to=20 what the UW provides each year?? Check out this webpage: http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/lsa/theatre/auditions.htm Just wondering... seems like a great service for=20 students and professionals alike. Back to scrolling through the digests. LN ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004c01c743eb$f8ca94f0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" Cc: paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net References: Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:25:14 -0500 > The dip it stuff for hand tools gets real dirty with age. > Paul I think I resent that remark. Rob't Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT > Silicone caulk brushed on or E-6000 will give a "sticky " like > surface. Perhaps attaching the remote to a partial glove or adding some > sort of tab that fits between his fingers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:30:40 -0500 Subject: Lighting glass panels In-Reply-To: References: From: Stuart Baulch Message-Id: <1170106240.CC91E66 [at] fd7.dngr.org> They've recently installed a new donor recointion wall in our loby and we're having problems lighting it. It is glass (approx 1/4 - 3/8" thick) with the dark lettering on the front survace in vinyl (ala Letraset) and the rear surface painted or coated in a light grey. The problem we're having is when we front light it, the lettering is casting a shadow on the rear opaque surface, creating a double image. The unit is set out about ten inches from an exposed brick wall and is open behind, so anything we install has to be presentable. We've played with flat-packs, focussing cyc cells and even a 16" flourescent tube fixture but nothing is really working. I'm looking to the wisdom of the list for suggestions as to how to light this unit "nicely". Is there a fixture that would mount to the edge of the glass and using the principles of total internal reflection (I'm reaching back to school days for that one), manage to carry the light through the piece? Any suggestions would be appreciated and if you have a solid solution, please email me off list as I'm a digester and we, umm, open tomorrow night. Thanks, Stuart B ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:38:50 -0500 Subject: Peter Pan Flying Effects From: "Alan Bryson" As i read on about all of the sage, salient, and accurate bits of wisdom concerning the OP's query, i couldn't help but think that a re-playing of a story i once heard would serve as great assistance to the PTB (if [they choose] someone other than we would to do the flying rigging). . .but have been unable to locate it thus far. the closest i have come is this: [Link]http://tinyurl.com/2wn3c8 which, though funny, is no-where near as good as the excerpt. . . i believe it was on This American Life, the title of the report something akin to "Anatomy of a Fiasco." It was about a local high school's fiasco involving children being dragged across stage, slammed into walls and windows, children falling off rope ladders hung from balconies, air-raid sirens--no deaths or huge injuries(miraculously). . . Anyoune else remeber this? Or better hints searching for said radio broadcast? NeverMind. I just found it. [Link]http://tinyurl.com/y4j2ly Helpful listening. alan bryson Technical Director Furman University Theatre Arts Department ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE6EB7.3090603 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:01:27 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: C. Dopher wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Vicki wrote: > >> >> The last one is because we have panic bars on all the exit doors and they >> make horrendous noise when opened and closed. > > Vicki, I worked in a Missouri venue with crash bars for several years. > Missouri law allows you to lock the crash bars open (depressed position; > doors close but don't latch). We had to use a coffin-lock key on ours > through a small hole in the underside. Do your lock open in a similar > fashion? If those doors are in a fire wall, preventing them from latching will prevent them from sealing the penetration in the wall in the event of a fire. I wonder if there would be an elegant way to include some sort of quick release or fusible link in the system. I certainly sympathise with the noise problem. Stuart ------------------------------ Subject: RE: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074501CF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Earlier posts talked about finding summer jobs... > Does any other state offer anything similar to what the UW=20 > provides each year?? This *could* be a great service... Truth be told (having attended the WTAs for a couple of years back when I was a producer's rep), while the WTAs (and Indiana's version) are nice, they tend to be geared towards high-school age kids rather than college or professionals, and the companies represented expect accordingly. The overall talent level is lower than, say, at SETC, MWTA, or even NDTA (and miles below UPTA, as you'd figure), the job pickings are slimmer, and in many cases employers with the budgets to attend the larger gatherings do so at the expense of the smaller state conferences/auditions. There just aren't enough weekends in the spring. In two years at WTA, I think I called back maybe a dozen performers total, and hired maybe one or two technicians. ITA was worse...one year, I didn't bother calling anyone back there at all. Had to be one of the most (mentally) painful days I've ever spent in a theatre. Now this was back in the late 90s, so there's a chance things have improved...but knowing how centralization is the name of the game these days, I wouldn't hold my breath. YMMV. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:26:43 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool In-Reply-To: References:

Ooh-Ooh! Sounds like there's a story here! Do tell... -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/29/07, Steve Shelley wrote: > > Yes. It is true. It is lighter. > > Until the fire department chain-saws through the city's mains and all the > ice equipment goes quiet (and the theatre gets dark) and everything turns > into a BIG puddle.... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:54:27 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: In message , Greg Williams writes >We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the >announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell phone >would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) cell >phone and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask if >there are any questions. Will it blend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifzdez7FRbk -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:10:46 -0500 Subject: Re: The Deep End of the Metamorphoses Pool From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oh, ken. I've bored you with the meltdown in boston story, haven't I? If not, next nyc listers drink night! On 1/29/07 4:26 PM, "Ken Romaine" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ooh-Ooh! Sounds like there's a story here! > > Do tell... -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:12:05 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Building a theatre After the discussion a couple of weeks ago about consultants, architects and building (or renovating) a theatre, I was pleasantly surprised to find the following blurb on some drawings from our now 6-year-old theatre. I would attribute this to the office of Robert Davis, the consultant on our project, since I don't think our architect would come forth with such verbage on his own; "THE WORK IN SECTION 11060-RIGGING AND STAGE DRAPERIES CANNOT MOVE TO ACCOMODATE ADJACAENT TRADES. ITS TOLERANCES ARE TOO PRECISE TO ALLOW DEVIATION FROM IDEAL LOCATIONS. THEREFORE IT IS THE WORK OF ALL OTHER TRADES TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK IN SECTION 11060 AND TO STAY CLEAR OF IT. WHERE CONFLICTS OCCUR, MOVE THE WORK OF ALL OTHER TRADES TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORK IN 11060 AT NO COST TO THE CONTRACTOR AND NO COST TO THE OWNER." I will say that this info appeared on most (if not all) of the drawings, and it really seemed to work! ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:07:53 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews In-Reply-To: References: It's not statewide but Dallas, TX holds a city wide audition which I am in the process of trying to add a technical/design component to. Can't find the website info right now, but it happens at the Bathhouse Theatre in early Spring. On 1/29/07, Ellen White wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Pulling off the dust cover and actually using the keyboard: > > Earlier posts talked about finding summer jobs... > Does any other state offer anything similar to > what the UW provides each year?? > > Check out this webpage: > > http://www.dcs.wisc.edu/lsa/theatre/auditions.htm > > Just wondering... seems like a great service for > students and professionals alike. > > Back to scrolling through the digests. > > LN > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Lighting glass panels Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:22:25 -0600 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB0901AAAD2F [at] danube.river.idm.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Steven Haworth" >Is there a fixture that would mount to the edge of the glass and using=20 >the principles of total internal reflection (I'm reaching back=20 >to school days for that one), manage to carry the light through the piece? That was my first thought - perhaps a T5 fluorscent or neon, or perhaps an LED strip, around the edges. I assume you've already tried backlighting it? - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE7475.2000507 [at] peak.org> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:25:57 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Peter Pan Flying Effects References: In-Reply-To: Alan Bryson wrote: > As i read on about all of the sage, salient, and accurate bits of wisdom > concerning > the OP's query, i couldn't help but think that a re-playing of a story i > once heard > would serve as great assistance to the PTB (if [they choose] someone other > than we > would to do the flying rigging). . .but have been unable to locate it thus > far. > the closest i have come is this: [Link]http://tinyurl.com/2wn3c8 > which, though funny, is no-where near as good as the excerpt. . . i > believe it was > on This American Life, the title of the report something akin to "Anatomy > of a Fiasco." http://www.thislife.org/ Go to the archives page and search down the page for the program entitled "Fiasco!" (first aired April 25 1997, and often rebroadcast by NPR stations during their annual pledge drives. Very funny stuff, of the "don't try this at home, kids" variety. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE77CF.7040208 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:40:15 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References:

In-Reply-To: Clive Mitchell wrote: > > In message , Eric Montague > writes >> Mercotac products page: http://www.mercotac.com/html/products.html > > And there was me going to jokingly suggest mercury wetted slip rings. We used one of those last year, it really is a nice unit, has been in use with no service issues at all, the thing is very well sealed, and the Hg does a great job keeping a contact across the junction. There are strong warnings about not overloading/overheating the unit. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1853.205.215.253.144.1170109669.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:27:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Lighting glass panels From: "Bill Nelson" > That was my first thought - perhaps a T5 fluorscent or neon, or perhaps > an LED strip, around the edges. > > I assume you've already tried backlighting it? I believe he said that the gray coating on the back of the glass is opaque. I sent an email with a few suggestions. My preferable way would be to get rid of the gray coating and replace it with either a transluscent coating or a gray piece of plexiglass - then back light that. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:28:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Lighting glass panels From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: And I presume that shadow-boxing the piece has been considered? shelley On 1/29/07 5:22 PM, "Steven Haworth" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Is there a fixture that would mount to the edge of the glass and using >> the principles of total internal reflection (I'm reaching back >> to school days for that one), manage to carry the light through the > piece? > > That was my first thought - perhaps a T5 fluorscent or neon, or perhaps > an LED strip, around the edges. > > I assume you've already tried backlighting it? > > > - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) > --------------------------- > http://www.stagelights.info > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Peter Pan Flying Effects Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:32:27 -0500 On 29 Jan, 2007, at 17:25 , Pat Kight wrote: > Go to the archives page and search down the page for the program > entitled "Fiasco!" (first aired April 25 1997, and often > rebroadcast by NPR stations during their annual pledge drives. > Very funny stuff, of the "don't try this at home, kids" variety. That has always been one of my favorite episodes. Its got me giggling now, without even listening to it. And just when you think the story can't get any funnier, it does. The part about the firemen's pagers going off is hilarious! -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Lighting glass panels Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" What about Cold Cathode flourecents? I've seen them for computer = "modding", but I wonder if the are available in appropriate lengths for this = application. The one's I've seen are only about 1' long, they are a very nice width = for=20 this application though, about 3/8" in circ. Matt Gard Master Electrician Virginia Stage Company 757-627-6988 x349 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stuart Baulch Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:31 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Lighting glass panels For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- They've recently installed a new donor recointion wall in our loby and=20 we're having problems lighting it. It is glass (approx 1/4 - 3/8" thick) = with the dark lettering on the front survace in vinyl (ala Letraset) and = the rear surface painted or coated in a light grey. The problem we're having is when we front light it, the lettering is=20 casting a shadow on the rear opaque surface, creating a double image. The unit is set out about ten inches from an exposed brick wall and is=20 open behind, so anything we install has to be presentable. We've played with flat-packs, focussing cyc cells and even a 16"=20 flourescent tube fixture but nothing is really working. I'm looking to the wisdom of the list for suggestions as to how to light = this unit "nicely". Is there a fixture that would mount to the edge of the glass and using=20 the principles of total internal reflection (I'm reaching back to school = days for that one), manage to carry the light through the piece? Any suggestions would be appreciated and if you have a solid solution,=20 please email me off list as I'm a digester and we, umm, open tomorrow=20 night. Thanks, Stuart B --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:48:44 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Traveling to URTA At 10:53 AM -0500 1/29/07, Greg Bierly wrote: > I just saw this one (I am a little behind on my digests) but PA > surplus has a contract with a bunch of airports and sells > confiscated items on ebay by the lot. ...As does the State of California. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE7C03.6080106 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:58:11 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: flying people-why? References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: Peter's was special. No foot loop but a tire. A real car tire. > (small car). Whenever Peter flew he (she) sat in the tire. > Was the tire load rated? Chip ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:01:12 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 15:56, Delbert Hall wrote: > Most flying effects companies typically carry $1 mil in liability > insurance. But for jobs in Canada I have been required to carry $2 > mil in liability insurance (not sure why, I have not had this anywhere > else) Exchange rate? $1 million in Canada isn't worth as much as in the US. ;-) Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: electricity to revolving stage Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:01:49 +0000 Message-Id: <20070129230149.HFUA17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Jim Hyslop > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 10:41:17 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Clive Mitchell wrote: > > Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes > > Hey! No fair using dead languages! Latin is not quite dead. Moribund, maybe, but it is taught in many schools, and senior Catholic churchmen are often fluent in it. And in many other languages, too. The present Pope seems to be fluent in Latin, German (his native tongue), Italian, English, and French. Perhaps a gift for languages is a part of the requirement for high office in the Church. I can't compete. I speak fluent English (UK variety), and fair French. I can get by in German and Italian, possibly because I have some experience in linguistics and learnt Latin at school. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:06:40 +0000 Message-Id: <20070129230640.WUOS26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Delbert Hall" > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 10:46:49 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Flying people > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Flying by Foy is the oldest flying effects company in the US (If you > want the oldest in the world you need to look at Kirby's Aerial > Ballet, where Peter Foy got his training in flying performers), but > that does not mean that they are the best. Kirby's gave us a lot of help in our recent staging of "Peter Pan". They are still around, in the UK. I probably know more (on > the whole) about the three major flying effects companies in the US > (Foy, HAFE, and ZFX) than anyone on this list. Trust me, each one has > it strengths and weaknesses. I am not going to compare these > companies on a public forum list like this one, but some are better at > some things than the others. They all have good reputations and can > do almost any effect needed. If you need a flying effect, you should > compare for yourself. But if no one stands out as being the best for > your needs, follow Stuart's advice and go with someone who contributes > to this list. > > That is my opinion. > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > 423-773-4255 > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: MartySrq [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:06:39 EST Subject: Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) Am I missing something here? This thread's been on the list for days and no one has wondered what's the problem about strangling actors? Is there anyone on the list who hasn't seriously contemplated that action? Frequently and with joy? Have we forgotten the first rule of theater? OK, OK only kidding. We need the meat puppets to do our jobs - or at least until animatronics gets a lot better. ;-) Marty ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE8009.9040409 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:15:21 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? References: In-Reply-To: Al Fitch wrote: > Today I was at a Dance concert at my former place of > employment. I know they played the announcement > because i heard the first few words. I don't recall > hearing anything in particular about what the person > was saying. It could be that I tuned it out because I > had heard it for 7 years or it could be I heard what > everyone else hears...nothing. > > The airplane/flight attendant idea was never my cup of > tea. I figure if it is treated completely like a joke > the audience will not focus at all on the information. > They just laugh to support the announcer who may or > may not be using this method to feel more comfortable > on stage in front of the audience. > So, if the polite, but dull AND the funny, but cute don't work what would you suggest as a way to REALLY get the message across. Having a shill for the entrances and a stooge for the cell phone might get their attention better. However, that gets old very fast. How do you keep it fresh and important? Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:15:59 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References: Was Andy Sutton your flying director? -Delbert On 1/29/07, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From: "Delbert Hall" > > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 10:46:49 GMT > > To: "Stagecraft" > > Subject: Re: Flying people > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Flying by Foy is the oldest flying effects company in the US (If you > > want the oldest in the world you need to look at Kirby's Aerial > > Ballet, where Peter Foy got his training in flying performers), but > > that does not mean that they are the best. > > Kirby's gave us a lot of help in our recent staging of "Peter Pan". They are still around, in the UK. > > I probably know more (on > > the whole) about the three major flying effects companies in the US > > (Foy, HAFE, and ZFX) than anyone on this list. Trust me, each one has > > it strengths and weaknesses. I am not going to compare these > > companies on a public forum list like this one, but some are better at > > some things than the others. They all have good reputations and can > > do almost any effect needed. If you need a flying effect, you should > > compare for yourself. But if no one stands out as being the best for > > your needs, follow Stuart's advice and go with someone who contributes > > to this list. > > > > That is my opinion. > > > > -Delbert > > > > -- > > Delbert L. Hall > > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > > 423-773-4255 > > > > Frank Wood > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:28:37 +0000 Message-Id: <20070129232837.HNSD17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Jim Hyslop > Date: 2007/01/28 Sun PM 11:05:29 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Flying people > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rigger wrote: > > Isn't it amazing how many people say they don't have the budget [...] Not very. When I was in work, I had a lot of time sitting around on standby, and a well equipped machine shop to use, its supervisor having decided that I was competent. I made the axles and their bearings for the cart in "Mother Courage", and the swords for many productions. I gave my time for free, and my employer supplied the facilities for free. The only cost was for the materials. Once you start contracting these jobs out, the costs escalate dramatically. We had, then, a different ethos. It seems to have disappeared of late. It is, I think, to our disadvantage. But small theatres are always budget driven. It has to be that way, or we should fold. You make use of the talents you have. > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070129233240.52027.qmail [at] web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: I have seen some crashbars on doors without the capability of being locked open. I also can't count how many times patrons looked at me funny or asked me if they were being locked in the theatre as I was releasing the crashbars to begin locking up for the night. Al > > Almost every house I've ever worked for had a hex > key on hand so that > house managment could "lock/unlock" the crashbar. > Works everytime!! > Good call!! > > -SS > TTS-EKU > "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" > -George W. Bush > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:33:52 -0500 I always liked the curtain speech they use at the Flea Theatre, which concludes with: "... as you see, our marketing policy here at the Flea is very simple. If Your cell phone rings during the show, please answer it and tell them that you are at the Flea Theatre, watching [name of playwright & play]!" On the other hand, the last play i did there was A.R. Gurney's Post Mortem, the second act of which begins with a "house manager" going off the deep end with her cell phone speech, which turns into a 15 minute diatribe on how cell phones & i-pods are destroying society. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Stagecraft wrote: ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE8626.1020001 [at] juno.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:41:26 -0600 From: Allison Koster Cc: litterst [at] udel.edu Subject: those kinds of bolts Steve-- In case you have not yet gotten an answer to your query.... "those" bolts are often called "binding posts" in the hardware business, or "Chicago screws" by people who make leather goods (and, subsequently, by some Costume Crafts departments who make a lot of belts, Sam Browns, etc.). I had never heard them called "sex bolts" until this list. FWIW. Allison Koster LD/ATD Carleton College Northfield, MN ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:44:40 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 18:15, Chip Wood wrote: > So, if the polite, but dull AND the funny, but cute don't work what > would you suggest as a way to REALLY get the message across. > Having a shill for the entrances and a stooge for the cell phone > might get their attention better. However, that gets old very > fast. How do you keep it fresh and important? By not using the same old routine over and over for a long time. The best way is to customise the announcement to the individual performance if you can. For last summer's performance of "Pirates of Penzance", the director recorded a speech in "Pirate talk". It was hilarious, really got the audiences attention, and served it's intended purpose. At a convention I attended a few years ago, the MC said "Please turn your pagers and cell phones off. You're not that important, and we're not that impressed!" Also got a laugh, and got the attention and intended action from the audience. Whether it is straight and dignified, or pure comedy, it will get old fast and loose its impact if it is used too much. You need to vary it, and where possible make it suit the particular show or event. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129162917.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:29:17 From: CB Subject: Re: Introductions >On the other hand, the total number of introductions have been far less >than the number of posts to most other threads recently. It's all about signal to noise ratio for the digesters. Remember, the filters always take some signal with the noise, and if you're sending *too* much noise, we can't tell it from the signal. Those usually get scrolled through. If I'm already on the gig seventeen hours, those three or four minutes weeding through stuff that has no application really *are* important. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BE895A.202 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:55:06 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: Greg Williams wrote: > We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the > announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell phone > would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) cell phone > and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask if there are > any questions. > As you now can get quite accurate looking toy cell phones at the 99 cent stores, this could be quite effective. Just remember to include on your expendables budget. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <65940.32555.qm [at] web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell phone would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) cell phone and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask if there are any questions. Now that would be funny! A Gallagher inspired visual of bad things to come when you ignore the house rules. Do we have insurance for misplaced cell parts in partron flesh? Al > > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <68063acf0701291600y3ce99db1r2cdbf2dd93332075 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:00:24 -0500 From: "Katrina Wiechmann" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: References:

Ah, here's a rhetorical/redundant question for you, Paul: are you a student still learning the ropes or an experienced technician who spends everyday in theatre anyway? (gee, I wonder. :P) My thoughts ("blows my mind", as in, "explain it to me, I don't get it.") were just that in order to learn about the theatre (in all its forms) at some point one needs to spend time with all aspects of it (something the professionals,etc. on the list already do, obviously, but us students typically do not.) I apologise for not qualifying my statement better earlier. ~Katrina On 1/28/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: > That means that I spend one out of every four days NOT inside a > theatre as part of my job. > > The last thing I want to be doing in what little truly "free" time I > have is spending it in a theatre. I've got too many other interests > to be that single-mindedly focused on it, and quite frankly I need the > time away to prevent burnout. > -- "Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."~ Winston Churchill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129163703.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:37:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >500 is less than cost, they're very handy because it's one trip in . I'm guessing your "flyable boxes" would be the bottom of the line Community's? "Less than cost" doesn't make 'em sound any less like cardboard and tin. And no, they wouldn't be the bottom of the line or any other Community boxes. They'd be EV's, nice ones, and they'd have custom made ATM quality flyware installed. I know I put ATM quality flyware in because an ATM engineer instructed me on how it should be done, with what materials, and passed the final product. But I can get you some Community boxes if you need 'em. For that price, I know a half-a-dozen shops that'll gladly off their boxes. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:12:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07450257 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > My thoughts ("blows my mind", as in, "explain it to me, I don't get > it.") were just that in order to learn about the theatre (in all its > forms) at some point one needs to spend time with all aspects=20 > of it (something the professionals,etc. on the list already=20 > do, obviously, but us students typically do not.) I=20 > apologise for not qualifying my statement better earlier. Oh, I agree with you there. It's also important to try to do one's best to keep up-to-date on what others are doing, in some way/shape/form. Unique or new applications of old stuff, and all, especially. At some point, the returns on that time investment become a bit harder to write off, and the value isn't as high as it was earlier in my career, at least. I passed that point shortly after finishing my last tour. It wasn't your statement that this was in response to, either. It's a blanket thrown at the sentiment held by many in this profession that *everyone* in theatre *needs* to have Broadway tickets on their Christmas lists or somesuch, and if they don't then they're not really serious about The Art. It's a load of hooey. For me, this list serves at least as much purpose as going to see other shows on a regular basis...at least as far as the "new application/creative primer" aspect goes. And it's a hell of a lot more fun, most of the time. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129170222.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:02:22 From: CB Subject: Re: Movies & PA >Not having touched a patch panel since my college days, what is >"half-normalled"? Basically, 'un-normaled' means that the signal stops at the jack, and doesn't go anywhaer until it is routed via patch cable. 'Normaled' means that there is a 'normal' route for the signal, i.e., from a source to a mixer or an output to an input, but that that can be interrupted by adding a patch cable. 'Half-normaled' means that the signal isn't interuppted by adding the cable, just modified. It would act as a 'Y', if you will. Go here , theyt'll explain it much better. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:27:51 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Flying people At 6:01 PM -0500 1/29/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: >> Most flying effects companies typically carry $1 mil in liability >> insurance. But for jobs in Canada I have been required to carry $2 >> mil in liability insurance (not sure why, I have not had this anywhere >> else) > > Exchange rate? $1 million in Canada isn't worth as much as in the US. That wouldn't double it; a US dollar is only worth $1.18 CDN or so today. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129170536.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:05:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers > Of course flyable/pole-mounted with separate amps is preferable >_depending on the situation_, but the poster _asked_ for >recommendations for a pair of speakers, preferably self-powered, that >would cover 200 people in or out of doors, plus act as monitors for >lectures, etc. Yup, I wasn't realy trying to make the sale here, just pointing out that un-powered speakers are really easier to use and actually more cost effective in the short and long run, while getting the OP to explain *why* he wants self-powered. It might be because he hasn't thought it through that well, or he may have specific needs that must be addressed. I was makin' sure, friend that I am... > As far as JBL versus Mackie, you and I have mirror-image >experiences with those two companies... ...problems with the Mackie >products outnumber the problems with the JBL's about 4:1. For me, it's about how they sound. the JBLs may be able to produce tone time after time, but tone sounds better than most program throught through the EON's. We suggested that Bhringer purchases would have an effect down the road, and they did. Greg has taken most of his service and all of his production off-shore, because the copy-cats were eating his profits away. Y'all that got Behringer gear go take a long look at it, and think of me next time you look in the mirror. > Tell ya what... I'll trade you the SRM450's for the 4 boxes of >pole mounted /fly-able speakers (community's?) and the rack-mounted >amps. We'll each pay our own shipping. Whaddaya say? You'll pay shipping on your new kit or on your old kit? Anyhoo, I've got the kit on sale for $2,000 for the amps, rack box, and speakers. I'd even consider throwing in some stands and maybe some cable, but I just used it as a comparison. For $2K to buy tupperware from JBL instead of used kit of a much higher quality is, in my opinion, spending money foolishly. You get new gear, quite right, but it's gear that is limited in quality and use right out of the box. The Mackie's will sound really good, the EONs won't. Use EONs if you just want stuf to be loud, Mackies if you want it to sound loud and pleasant. The EONs are built like lunchpails, and willtakle abuse all day long, and the Mackies need to be treated like, well, like sound gear or any other sensitive electronics, but treated well they'll last well. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6BC2448F-6BBE-41D1-990A-35CE498E7DF2 [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:34:39 -0500 On 29 Jan, 2007, at 16:49 , Paul Schreiner wrote: > Truth be told (having attended the WTAs for a couple of years back > when > I was a producer's rep), while the WTAs (and Indiana's version) are > nice, they tend to be geared towards high-school age kids rather than > college or professionals, and the companies represented expect > accordingly. II did the WTA route in the mid-1990s; Paul actually interviewed me at one of them and turned me onto to this list. I wouldn't say, though, that the technical jobs are mostly geared towards high school kids. Most everyone I knew who went to them were college kids looking for summerstock jobs. There were some good companies represented [Santa Fe Opera & Milwaukee Shakespeare come to mind]. I wouldn't recommend it for professionals, but definitely college age kids looking to get a start. The college folk who won't gain anything from the WTAs know who they are and can find themselves good, or better, summer [and beyond] jobs outside of the WTAs, and most know when they've outgrown its usefulness. It is a good introduction to interviewing and what employers expect from you at a job interview. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1118 ******************************