Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41812883; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:04:18 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41812037; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:02:53 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_NQ,TW_QO,TW_WZ autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Level: * X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1119 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:01:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1119 1. Re: All the Montclair students by Rigger 2. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 3. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Bill Potter 4. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 5. Re: flying people-why? by Bill Sapsis 6. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 7. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by CB 8. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by CB 9. Re: ETC Eos by Roy Harline 10. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introduction by Roy Harline 11. Re: Flying people by "RD" 12. Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Re: electricity to revolving stage by CB 14. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by CB 15. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jerry Durand 16. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Rigger 17. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by CB 18. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Noah Price 19. Re: flying people-why? by "Brian Munroe" 20. Re: **JUNK** Re: Flying people by Jim Hyslop 21. Re: **JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by Jim Hyslop 22. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Jim Hyslop 23. Re: How old ARE you people anyway? by "Don Taco" 24. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by Jim Hyslop 25. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by "Bill Nelson" 26. Mac computer question by Brian James 27. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Jerry Durand" 28. Re: Video of the Jeep Waterfall by "Jared Fortney" 29. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Don Taco" 30. USITT List Get Together? by Chris Warner 31. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Bruce Purdy 32. Re: Flying people by Bruce Purdy 33. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by Bruce Purdy 34. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Kathryn Sirico" 35. Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" by Herrick Goldman 36. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Jon Ares" 37. Re: Mac computer question by "Kurt Cypher" 38. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Paul Schreiner" 39. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Jon Ares" 40. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by Charlie Richmond 41. Re: Video of the Jeep Waterfall by Herrick Goldman 42. Re: Mac computer question by John McKernon 43. Re: Swag at USITT by Randy Levine 44. Re: Movies & PA by "Andy Leviss" 45. Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) by "Paul Schreiner" 46. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by "Bill Nelson" 47. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Bill Nelson" 48. Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews by Seth Richardson 49. panic bars by Greg Bierly 50. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by "Don Taco" 51. Re: Mac computer question by Noah Price 52. Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions by Noah Price 53. Re: All the Montclair students by "Bill Nelson" 54. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Vicki Palmer" 55. Re: USITT List Get Together? by "Laura McMeley" 56. Re: Mac computer question by Brian James 57. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:32:31 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: All the Montclair students At 7:12 PM -0500 1/29/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >For me, this list serves at least as much purpose as going to see other >shows on a regular basis...at least as far as the "new >application/creative primer" aspect goes. And it's a hell of a lot more >fun, most of the time. ...Not to mention cheaper. -- -D.Vick rigger [at] tds.net OkAy, WHosE LaMebraIN IdeA wAs iT To pUT The cApS LOck kEY neXT TO thE shIFt KEy? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129172018.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:20:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >I'll admit that I don't have your sound experience, CB, but how often do >you have to adjust amplifier settings in the middle of a show? I've never had one catch fire, either, but I keep the extinguisher handy. Truth, there aren't too many time where adjustments are necessary, but when they are is the bitch. The *will* require it while you look like an idiot walking on the stage, guaranteed! It does sound like your situation is begging for powered speakers, just find an empty XLR-hole and an empty edison-hole and you're in. Howzzat work for ground loops, BTW? Did your electrician plan ahead for that kind of thing? If he did, find out where he is right now and send him a card. A nice one. Maybe some chocolates. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: HEY! We did the same thing for Pirates a few years back. I rigged the jaw of the skull in the pirate flag (that was part of the scrollwork over the proscenium) to move. THAT certainly got the audience attention! It was TRULY one of the funniest things I think I've ever seen. Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 1/29/07 6:44 PM, "Bruce Purdy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 29 Jan 2007, at 18:15, Chip Wood wrote: > >> So, if the polite, but dull AND the funny, but cute don't work what >> would you suggest as a way to REALLY get the message across. >> Having a shill for the entrances and a stooge for the cell phone >> might get their attention better. However, that gets old very >> fast. How do you keep it fresh and important? > > By not using the same old routine over and over for a long time. The > best way is to customise the announcement to the individual > performance if you can. > > For last summer's performance of "Pirates of Penzance", the director > recorded a speech in "Pirate talk". It was hilarious, really got the > audiences attention, and served it's intended purpose. > > At a convention I attended a few years ago, the MC said "Please turn > your pagers and cell phones off. You're not that important, and we're > not that impressed!" Also got a laugh, and got the attention and > intended action from the audience. > > Whether it is straight and dignified, or pure comedy, it will get > old fast and loose its impact if it is used too much. You need to > vary it, and where possible make it suit the particular show or event. > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129172436.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers > I have always been a fan of the Meyer UPM line. 18" x 6" but with > a big, fat, full-range sound. We just purchased a set of four and > they can match our house cabinets for SPL. At $2K+ a box, they'd better sound great! Yeah, if you have that kind of money we're talking about a whole 'nuther animal. LEt me know, 'cause I don't even watn to start salivating over a meal I'll never eat... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:51:27 -0500 Subject: Re: flying people-why? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/29/07 5:58 PM, "Chip Wood" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Sapsis wrote: > Peter's was special. No foot loop but a tire. A real car tire. >> (small car). Whenever Peter flew he (she) sat in the tire. > >> > Was the tire load rated? > Chip It was road rated. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129173059.013af098 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:30:59 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >Some of the advantages: higher efficiency, manufacturer-matched amps/ >speakers, no appreciable line loss, portability, ease of setup. It's the same argument I had in the seventies over console stereos and component stereos. With the console, it was all easy and didn't require you to really know anything about stereos to make your albums sound good. They were limited in their diversity and expandability, but they did the job. One part broke, and you were without stereo till it came back. Component parts meant that you could get whatever suited your fancy and stack the best of the best one atop another till your neighbors complained, and you got a lot better sound, it just cost a bit more and required you to know what was what to get your albums to sound great. Fast, good, cheap. Pick one, hope for two. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129173540.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:35:40 From: CB Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? >and small children (wait for snickering). >The first 3 of those items may be checked with the house manager... "Unattended children will be given a puppy and a double espresso, and sent into the parking lot." Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129174759.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:47:59 From: CB Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? >I do not believe that I used the word 'Lady' or Ladies', though there = >are many that deserve that title in LA. Besides, its not the wiring, = >its the upbringing, Ehm, Richard, you were responding to a thread in which a person had used the word 'ladies', by posting that there were, indeed, females working backstage in LA, but I digress. 'Wiring' is a bit of an 'industry term', in pop psychology, for 'upbringing'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ETC Eos Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:13:04 -0600 Message-ID: <0B76B8BBFAC8BA41949EF1A06C24730C1D6B56 [at] TSSBSR2.ts.local> From: Roy Harline Willy,=20 I tried to send this last week while traveling West Texas, but my exchange server only emits HTML so I couldn't send it.=20 Today's message made me think again about the fun I had reading your accounts of the travels and trials with Nine inch Nails tour oh so NOT so many years back... You truly have a gift for communicating, and writing. =20 You really should write a book about your experiences. I would read it!! Roy Harline Sales and Design Texas Scenic Company 210-684-0091=20 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introduction Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:17:02 -0600 Message-ID: <0B76B8BBFAC8BA41949EF1A06C24730C1D6B57 [at] TSSBSR2.ts.local> From: Roy Harline Bill asked if anybody else met Brad,=20 I remember meeting Brad at the first Stagecraft reception that you hosted in ???Long Beach??? There were others that are still here that were also there... Roy Harline Sales and Design Texas Scenic Company 210-684-0091=20 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: <02db01c7440c$9008ca60$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Ah, you have it so easy. When I do a consulting job, five kinds of insurance, and $5,000,000. is usually the liability. Different strokes for ...whatever. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rigger Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:28 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flying people For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 6:01 PM -0500 1/29/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: >> Most flying effects companies typically carry $1 mil in liability >> insurance. But for jobs in Canada I have been required to carry $2 >> mil in liability insurance (not sure why, I have not had this anywhere >> else) > > Exchange rate? $1 million in Canada isn't worth as much as in the US. That wouldn't double it; a US dollar is only worth $1.18 CDN or so today. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:24:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A07450267 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > II did the WTA route in the mid-1990s; Paul actually=20 > interviewed me at one of them and turned me onto to this=20 > list. =20 Oh, gosh. I'm so sorry. I...I don't know what to say. (Dammit, someone else whose name looked familiar that I couldn't quite place...) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129181609.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:16:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Re: electricity to revolving stage >Latin is not quite dead. Yes it is. When a linguist refers to a language as 'dead' he means that it doesn't have a living people whose native tongue it is. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129182203.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:22:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? >How do you keep it >fresh and important? Stop giving actors crap for sitting on the edge of the stage till the bother stops? If every time some audience member were to do something loud and rude, an actor, or all the actors on stage, or all of the actors in the show and some of the technicians even, were to stop what they were doing and stare at the offender til they got a clue or an usher were able to get to them and drag them off, theatre audiences would be more polite. What are ushers there for, if not to keep these folk in hand? Try training your ushers to actually keep a house, and these problems will go quietly away. Dogs, children, and audiences have at least one thing in common, and that is that any activity that isn't condemned, and then punished, is seen as tolerated. As long as you tolerate bad behaviour, you condone it, and encourage it. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:50:30 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070129174916.0202d898 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 09:29 AM 1/29/2007, Clive Mitchell wrote: >In message , Eric Montague > writes >>Mercotac products page: http://www.mercotac.com/html/products.html > >And there was me going to jokingly suggest mercury wetted slip rings. I notice they only say "liquid metal", could be sodium if they have a heater. Got to maintain RoHS! :) -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:04:40 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage At 6:16 PM -0500 1/29/07, CB wrote: >>Latin is not quite dead. > >Yes it is. >When a linguist refers to a language as 'dead' he means that it doesn't >have a living people whose native tongue it is. Does the Catholic Church count? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070129182915.00cadb88 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:29:15 From: CB Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? >If Your cell phone rings during the show, >please answer it and tell them that you are at the Flea Theatre, >watching [name of playwright & play]!" I think that a thread that I started, about sound engineers having scoped and silenced rifles in the booth, was the result of a woman answering her cell phone and telling the person on the other end (in a voice that the SM in the other room with the LBO in the booth could hear) that she was at the ballet, and how beautiful it was, and then went on to describe the show during the quiet part of the Pas de Deux. This happened twice in a row, and the second time I asked what the house manager was doing about it, and was told, via radio, that they couldn't possibly interrupt the ballet to do anything. Be careful what you ask for... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1D94C072-AAE9-4ACA-9118-9EB5234ED451 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:11:20 -0800 On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:35 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > Which came first, zinc.com or inquo.net? Anyone remember? inquo.net came before zinc.com, but neither was first. Brad started out on utah.edu (two different host names, first cai and then jaguar). On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:24 AM, David Fox wrote: > ... The move to Inqou did not happen until the mid to early late > 90's ( I wanna go out on a limb here and say 95) Very close... it was 1996. On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Mick Alderson wrote: > As I recall, Brad Davis was the administrator when the List was at > zinc.com; then Brad got a new job, and migrated the List with him > to inquo.net, even though his new job wasn't in theatre. However, > Brad was not able to give the list the attention it needed, so > Steve Jones took it over at mtsu.edu, where it lived on a Mac > acting as server in Steve's office. But that got flakey as the list > grew in size, and Noah (and the "migration committee") moved it to > it's present home on Noah's server. The "migration committee" was responsible for moving from Brad's inquo.net to Steve's theatre.mtsu.edu. The list web site started at the same time Steve started running the list. There's a brief history (including the names of the committee Mitch mentioned) on the Stagecraft site: http://stagecraft.theprices.net/info.html#credits The whole sequence is: cai.utah.edu -> jaguar.utah.edu -> zinc.com -> inquo.net -> theatre.mtsu.edu -> stagecraft.org -> theatrical.net For the history buffs, here's a post I made for the 10 year anniversary in 1999, which includes the very first posts from 1989. Guess I better put June 21, 2009 on my calendar for a 20th anniversary celebration... Noah Begin forwarded message: > From: Noah Price > Date: June 21, 1999 6:20:52 PM PDT > To: Multiple recipients of stagecraft > Subject: Stagecraft turns *10* > > For info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and suspending > your list subscription, go to the Stagecraft web site at: > http://www.theprices.net/lists/stagecraft > --------------------------------------------------- > Ten years ago today (21-Jun-1989), the first posting was made to the > Stagecraft mailing list. > > For the curious, I've included the first two postings, below. Looking > over the first three months of postings, it appears that Chris > Osland and > I are the only people on the current list who were around back > then... of > course I could have missed some, since email addresses have obviously > changed over the years, and not everyone is registered on the > Stagecraft > list with a full name. > > Happy Birthday, Stagecraft! > > Noah > > > > > >> From: Pygmalion >> Subject: A question >> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 89 19:57:40 EDT >> >> I've got a question for everyone out there. I am co-directing a >> play this >> summer. The only space that we could get was an empty store front >> in a >> shopping mall. My question would is, considering the space (An L >> shaped >> store >> with several pillars), do I want to go for as terrific and >> theatrical set >> as I >> can, knowing that I don't have the money or the space to quite >> make it, or >> do I >> want to do something very basic and that would take a big >> suspension of >> disbelief on behalf of the audience, but at least runs no risk of >> looking >> "cheesy". The show is the victorian thriller "Angel Street" (also >> known as >> "Gaslight", Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer did the movie of that >> name) >> >> >> The Falcon of Wesleyan >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> | J.Peter Adler | JADLER [at] EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU | or >> [at] EAGLE.WESLEYAN.BITNET | >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----| >> |If your dream is good, why don't you share it when the nights are >> cold? | >> | >> | >> | --Ian Anderson | >> | >> | >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- > > > >> From: b-davis (Brad Davis) >> Subject: Let's get things rolling... >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 89 18:52:32 MDT >> >> Before I run off to my current production... >> >> We now have 20 subscribers and 1 redistribution point. Now let's see >> some traffic. We had one message before most of you got on the list >> so I am going to include it here and then give my answer. >> >>> I've got a question for everyone out there. I am co-directing a >>> play this >>> summer. The only space that we could get was an empty store >>> front in a >>> shopping mall. My question would is, considering the space (An L >>> shaped store >>> with several pillars), do I want to go for as terrific and >>> theatrical set as I >>> can, knowing that I don't have the money or the space to quite >>> make it, or do >>> I want to do something very basic and that would take a big >>> suspension of >>> disbelief on behalf of the audience, but at least runs no risk of >>> looking >>> "cheesy". The show is the victorian thriller "Angel >>> Street" (also known as >>> "Gaslight", Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer did the movie of >>> that name) >>> >>> The Falcon of Wesleyan >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> | J.Peter Adler | JADLER [at] EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU | or >>> [at] EAGLE.WESLEYAN.BITNET | >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >> >> J.Peter didn't say how big his space is and I haven't read the >> play so >> my comments not be appropriate. I would probably lean toward a "film >> noir" set, maybe down the long part of the L so that the movement, >> scene changes and lighting could reduce set changes and keep the >> audience from being pushed onto a small stage. Salt Lake used to >> have >> an experimental space that was really a converted hallway/flat >> storage >> area. It was only about 15 feet wide and 45 feet long. Half the >> space was the stage/set the other half was carpeted risers for the >> audience to sit on (no chairs). They did some neat stuff down the >> length of the hall. >> >> I will post a more formal introduction for myself next week. >> >> Brad > > > -- > \ Noah Price \ Work: noah [at] apple.com \ Play: noah [at] theprices.net \ > \ \ Apple Computer, Inc. \ http:// > www.theprices.net/ \ > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:56:42 -0500 From: "Brian Munroe" Subject: Re: flying people-why? In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/29/07, Bill Sapsis wrote: > It was road rated. Ouch. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEAC13.6040600 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:23:15 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: Flying people References:

In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > Do you truly know the prices for Foy's installation and flying? As compared > to other competent groups? Doom Ah... ahem.... no, I must admit that I don't, and that I, well, assumed they would be expensive. And this after my rant about making assumptions.... -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEACFD.60702 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:27:09 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? References:

In-Reply-To: Jim, RC4 Wireless wrote: > Drywaller #1 says to drywaller #2, "Hey - why you throwin' away so many > screws?" > > "'Cause they point the wrong way," belches drywaller #2. > > Drywaller #1 is dumbfounded. "Yer a goof! You save those for the other > wall!!" And then there's the blonde who got fired from the M&Ms Chocolate factory quality assurance, for throwing out all the Ws. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEAEEF.2070200 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:35:27 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage References: In-Reply-To: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > Latin is not quite dead. "I'm not dead yet! I think I'll go for a walk." -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006f01c74419$cad44a90$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: How old ARE you people anyway? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:53:12 -0800 The statement actually goes, 'If you remember the 60s, you weren't there, man." -------- Well, Its been said that "If you remember the 60s, you weren't there". /s/ Richard ________________________________ >From: "Paul Schreiner" >> OK, lets just say that I fully participated in the the infamous >> 1967 'Summer of Love' (sans the drug component) >Aren't those two statements mutually exclusive? I don't remember. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEB6D8.1000001 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:09:12 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own References:

In-Reply-To: David Fox wrote: > As for my age..... > I am as old as my tongue and a little bit older than my teeth > (use your fancy shmancy calculators to figure that one out!!) Well, I'm a year older than I was last year. > What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? Hmmm... I think that would be the claw hammer that I purchased... um... let's see... 22 years ago. > Be Seeing You I am not a number - I am a free man!! -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1058.205.215.253.143.1170126788.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:13:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own From: "Bill Nelson" >> What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? > Hmmm... I think that would be the claw hammer that I purchased... um... > let's see... 22 years ago. I still have the hammer and hand axe I purchased over 40 years ago. They are both completely original, although they show a bit of wear and tear. I have some screwdrivers, drill bits and other tools (including an anvil) that are well over a century old. My grandfather used them on his ranch. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEB861.8000301 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:15:45 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Mac computer question Greetings all, this may not be the best place for this post, but I figured I would give it a shot. I work a student center and we are looking to put new projection systems in about 10 of our rooms. Typically, we use VGA in put for computers. Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. All I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for the video )or so it appears any way). After reading some it appears that my best option is to supply the correct connection on a wall plate and hide the DVI to VGA connection is the wall. I am assuming this do to cable length runs and lack of real switching options. We probably need to stick with something VERY simple for the user like the Extron Media Link stuff. So here are my questions: 1) Am I right about just hiding the connector in the wall? 2) What else do I need to know about DVI that I may be missing (for instance is the the same thing as RGBHV or something else)? I am poking around on the net for better information about DVI. Like I said, this may not be the place, but my impression is that there are a few Mac users here that may be able to help shed some light on this topic. Any thoughts or input you may have would be appreciated as I work through this project, and if I am in the wrong place, any ideas were I should go? Preferable polite ideas would be preferred =) Thanks for your time! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Durand" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-reply-to: Message-id: <2632.192.168.0.100.1170127589.squirrel [at] gandalf> References:

On Mon, January 29, 2007 7:09 pm, Jim Hyslop wrote: >> What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? > Hmmm... I think that would be the claw hammer that I purchased... um... > let's see... 22 years ago. I'm still using some electronics tools I bought in the mid to late 1970's, and I have some tools for my milling machine that were my fathers. That would put them in the 1950-60 range. These are just the tools I use all the time. I also have things like a certified sample of motor oil from the Graf Zepplin (my grandfather designed the oil processing plant that made it). -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. Los Gatos, California USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com, skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "Jared Fortney" Subject: RE: Video of the Jeep Waterfall Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:36:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <45bebd60.1144358c.6f8b.3d73 [at] mx.google.com> I saw this thing live at the Detroit auto show in 2003, and it is very impressive. Lots of people gathered around, and not a tightly dressed model in sight. -Jared Fortney Swing Tech. Cirque du Soleil's Corteo -----Original Message----- Really cool display. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00f501c74420$7e36c7b0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:41:13 -0800 > >>and small children (wait for snickering). >>The first 3 of those items may be checked with the house manager... > > "Unattended children will be given a puppy and a double espresso, and sent > into the parking lot." > Chris "Chris" Babbie Ohhhh! That poor puppy! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEBE8C.8030007 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:42:04 -0800 From: Chris Warner Subject: USITT List Get Together? I hadn't seen any mention of this but thought I would see if one was in the works. This is my first USITT and I will be there Friday thru Sunday am. Would be cool to meet some of you... Probably a bit early, but heck it's worth asking! Chris Warner ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <48D8306F-D89F-4E2E-A692-FDEADC51919D [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:48:18 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 21:11, Noah Price wrote: > inquo.net came before zinc.com, but neither was first. > > The whole sequence is: > cai.utah.edu -> jaguar.utah.edu -> zinc.com -> inquo.net -> > theatre.mtsu.edu -> stagecraft.org -> theatrical.net Am I missing something here? Don't the two statements contradict one another? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <048E6047-BA87-4F39-A602-7A5E851AFF54 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Flying people Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:52:47 -0500 I wrote: > Exchange rate? $1 million in Canada isn't worth as much as in the > US. ;-) On 29 Jan 2007, at 19:27, Rigger wrote: > At 6:01 PM -0500 1/29/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: >> >> Exchange rate? $1 million in Canada isn't worth as much as in the >> US. > > That wouldn't double it; a US dollar is only worth $1.18 CDN or so > today. Dave, you quoted my entire message EXCEPT the smiley! It was a joke, Lad! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:59:13 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 13:22, CB wrote: > til they got a clue or an usher were able to get to them > and drag them off, theatre audiences would be more polite. > What are ushers there for, if not to keep these folk in hand? Well, they are there to collect tickets, hand out programs and - in the rare case of reserved seated shows - show patrons to their seats. Most of our ushers are rather elderly widows. All are volunteers. None are capable or well suited for confrontations with Cell phone users and other violators. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:12:12 -0500 From: "Kathryn Sirico" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-Reply-To: References:

Left-handed crescent wrench? Where can I find one of those? It would keep my (right-handed) crew from stealing mine! --kat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:31:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <28880827.1170105428725.JavaMail.root [at] m41> This is why...when asked to design Brecht..I very specifically speak with the director and make sure he or she does NOT want to subscribe religiously to that man's views! He says..having designed 6 or 8 of Brecht's show's. -H On 1/29/07 4:15 PM, "Stuart Baulch" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So we're here on the rehearsing on the afternoon of the final preview of > "Three Penny Opera" ( http://soulpepper.ca/productions/2007/play_1.html > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301c74427$a33a0390$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:32:23 -0800 > Almost every house I've ever worked for had a hex key on hand so that > house managment could "lock/unlock" the crashbar. Works everytime!! > Good call!! ..When the crash bar has 'em. My new theatre has lock-downable bars in a couple of places, but where I'd kill for one is the one from the green room to the stage..... why they missed that one I'll never know. District Operations sees installing one here as a rather extraneous and expensive 'luxury.' - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:34:08 -0500 From: "Kurt Cypher" Cc: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References: On 1/29/07, Brian James wrote: > > Greetings all, this may not be the best place for this post, but I > figured I would give it a shot. > > I work a student center and we are looking to put new projection systems > in about 10 of our rooms. Typically, we use VGA in put for computers. > Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to > handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. All > I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for the video )or so > it appears any way). > What kind of ouput an individual user's Mac has depends on what model of Mac it is, and how old it is. My turn-of-the-century Powerbook G3 uses standard VGA as well as S-Video for output. A more-modern iBook or MacBook or MacBook Pro all use mini-DVI, which is a sightly different animal than standard DVI, and I don't know if a mini-DVI jack on the wall would be any use, since I don't know off-hand if anyone even makes a mini-DVI cable that would reach that far. If the user decides to bring in a Mac Mini that they want to use in the room, they would still need to bring an adapter, because its output may be VGA, but it's a special connector on the computer's side that needs an adapter to play with regular VGA. Unless, your director has the budget to pay for every conceivable type of video connection in every location that would need them. I work for a university, and I believe all of our display systems use whatever inputs are available on the display unit itself, and we just run a cable straight from that through the walls with no adapters (with the occasional exception). For the most part, the users only get access to VGA, which makes sense, because that's a very common standard, and if someone is going to be using their own computer for giving slideshows or whatever, their best bet is to have an adapter that fits the lowest common denominator. Out in the "real" (read non-academic) world, if you go into a standard conference room to give a presentation, the odds are pretty good that you'll get a standard VGA connector. Some locations might have other standards available to connect, but at he very least, they'll probably have VGA. Just my $0.02, Kurt ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:40:43 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-Reply-To: References:

> What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? Well, as we've already established that I'm still wet behind the ears compared to some of this crew (though I'm old enough to be growing hair in them...the ears, not the crew) my oldest tool isn't too impressive...just a lil' ol' 22-oz. framing hammer I bought when I did a one-week stint doing rough carpentry outta college which'd be back about 14 years ago. I do have my grandfather's old Yankee screwdriver, but something's not right with it and it hasn't really worked since I inherited it. But I do still have my very first Wiffle ball bat that's over 30 years old...does that count? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009601c74429$14d26870$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:42:43 -0800 > Left-handed Says I... Impossible says you? Possible says I. > The mechanism is reversed and every right handed person who touches it > flings it away from themselves in frustration and torment. My Stanley adjustable wrench is left-handed... as is its operator. It's maybe 10 years old, whereas its operator is about 29 more than that.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Paul Schreiner wrote: > But I do still have my very first Wiffle ball bat that's over 30 years > old...does that count? That could probably be counted on one hand.... C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:43:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Video of the Jeep Waterfall From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8880774.1170128431385.JavaMail.root [at] m41> Yeah they had it in 2001 when I lit the Performances in the booth there. We did Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep Video here: http://www.hglightingdesign.com/show58 I doubt there's a shot of the waterwall but other fun lighting and rigging is evident. On 1/29/07 10:36 PM, "Jared Fortney" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I saw this thing live at the Detroit auto show in 2003, and it is very > impressive. Lots of people gathered around, and not a tightly dressed model > in sight. > > -Jared Fortney > Swing Tech. > Cirque du Soleil's Corteo > > > -----Original Message----- > Really cool display. > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:38:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac computer question From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to > handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. I'm a Mac diehard, but a VGA adapter comes with every PowerBook and is small and easy to pack along with the laptop (and they're cheap to buy, too). At NYU, the projectors all use VGA because there's a mix of Macs, Windows, and DVD players all of which need to hook up to the projectors, so every video cable has a Mac adapter that goes with it. Also, I found out last week that there are at least two different kinds of video connectors - my G4 PowerBook uses a different connector that the newest MacBooks. The first adapter offered me didn't fit, the second was the one I'm used to seeing. So despite your director's fervent wishes, everyone will be happier with VGA connectors. Attach a couple of pieces of aircraft cable to the wall plate, with one of each adapter permanently attached to each. Good luck! - John ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3B9EB496-CE9C-4932-ADE2-4ABE144E8E18 [at] cox.net> From: Randy Levine Subject: RE: Swag at USITT Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:55:56 -0700 Hey All, This offer goes out to anyone that needs it. Just give me a call and let me know that it's inbound. Randy 602-254-7399 ex 109 -----Original Message----- From: Noah Price [mailto:stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:06 PM To: Randy Levine Subject: Re: Swag at USITT On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Randy Levine wrote: > Hey Noah, > > You can use my address to ship stuff to: > > Herberger Theater Center > Attn: Randy Levine > 222 E. Monroe > Phoenix Az, 85004 > > We're right across the street from the convention center and I'll > be happy to run stuff from here to there if that will help. > > Randy > That's great Randy, thanks! I was assuming I'd need to carefully time a shipment to somebody's hotel room, but shipping to you will be simpler. Noah ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1467.69.203.216.247.1170132968.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksechosound.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:56:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Movies & PA From: "Andy Leviss" Responding to my quoted post, Chris Babbie wrote: >>I cannot think of a single circumstance where a phone connector would be >>better than an XLR. > > Except patch bays. I thought I'd made the distinction clear in my original post, but I'll restate it plainly and boldly here, in the specific context of my sentence as CB quoted: I cannot think of a single circumstance IN LIVE SOUND REINFORCEMENT, PARTICULARLY INVOLVING PATCHING OF MIC LEVEL SIGNALS where a phone connector would be better than an XLR. > OTOH, I think I may have seen three XLR patch bays that weren't customs > knock-ons. > !/4" patch bays is pretty much industry standard. I can't remember the last time I've seen a 1/4" patch bay in a theatre sound reinforcement system. I've seen XLR patchbays in lots of theatres all over the country. There's been lots of debate on this subject over the last year or two (and probably much longer) over at the Theatre-Sound List. If you do a search, you'll find a lot of people more knowlegeable and well-spoken on this subject than I am who share my opinion, some of whom even were responsible for shaping it. At least one of these in particular regularly uses 1/4 patchbays in studio applications, and explains quite well why the two applications are best suited by different patch bays. Again, I was pretty sure I noted in my original post that in the OP's situation, where it sounded like it was purely a line-level patch, and one that would probably be repatched often enough to self-clean, a 1/4" patch is probably fine, and even desirable. I was noting my objections to patchbays in other related situations lest the specific become applied to the general. --Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:57:33 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net (paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net) Subject: Re: Fight Choreography (Strangulation) In-Reply-To: References: > <> > > While I think this may be a bit overreacting... > > no, a lot overreacting. > > Get yourself a fight coordinator. > > It's what they're for. While I'm all for getting the word out about fight choreographers and getting them (and me) hired more often to do this sort of thing, we're often tough to find. Not enough directors know we exist (especially at the high school/community level), and fewer have the budgets to pay another person (even if we would do, say, this strangulation gag for beer). It's always a tough balance for me when I see questions like this on the list...I know that 95% or more of the time, if someone is coming here for combat-related questions, the idea of hiring an actual fight choreographer is one that has either been summarily dismissed, or not thought of and now it's too late. So...what's my responsibility ethically? Ignore it? Tell them to hire a choreographer, knowing full well that nearly all of them will ignore me now and forevermore and the stunt'll get done by novices with no guidance and no choreographer? And, even worse, the guy who does try to arrange it will take choreography credit and move on later with that on his resume? At the same time, I could never pay...well, any bills doing choreography full-time. It's always been an adjunct for me. Yes, the Pauls are in agreement. Ideally, a choreographer should be hired. Realistically, the stunt can be talked through; once the basic principles are grasped, it's not too difficult. It'll be tough to watch and improve upon safely, so there's definitely a big chunk of YGWYPF in it...but it can be done safely (just not nearly as convincingly) without an FC. And I'd rather have *some* input and affect on the safety, even by proxy, than let people do something completely boneheaded just cuz they won't pay. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1168.205.215.253.143.1170133459.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:04:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own From: "Bill Nelson" > My Stanley adjustable wrench is left-handed... as is its operator. It's > maybe 10 years old, whereas its operator is about 29 more than that.... All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1175.205.215.253.143.1170133711.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:08:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? From: "Bill Nelson" > ..When the crash bar has 'em. My new theatre has lock-downable bars in a > couple of places, but where I'd kill for one is the one from the green > room > to the stage..... why they missed that one I'll never know. District > Operations sees installing one here as a rather extraneous and expensive > 'luxury.' Is that a fire door? If so, the codes may not allow non-latching - even when people are present. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Seth Richardson Subject: Re: WI Theatre Auditions & Technical Interviews Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:08:04 -0500 On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Earlier posts talked about finding summer jobs... >> Does any other state offer anything similar to what the UW >> provides each year?? If anyone is looking for summer work in New England area they should start looking at Straw Hat auditions. A good list of New England summer stock there.... Seth Richardson ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2EF96864-6607-4FA8-864A-CCE39DF915A5 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:13:15 -0500 > a possible fix for the panic bars is to secure them > with the (if present) set screw that I have found on > some crashbars that allow the bars to be pushed in and > held in place. This does not lock the doors or > prevent them from operating but do cut down on some of > the noise. The latch on the outside door handle is > what causes much of the noise when you do this as they > are now no longer needed to disengage the crashbar to > open the door. I too have latches without set screws. I was informed at one time this was due to code. Doom, would you like to enlighten me as to the reasoning? I seem to recall something about air pressure allowing the doors to open and feed fires or is this a wives tale? Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield High School ------------------------------ Message-ID: <016601c7442e$df78aa80$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:24:08 -0800 > All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. > > Bill > Your wrenches are right-handed on both sides?? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Mac computer question Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:32:18 -0800 On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Brian James wrote: > Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able > to handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an > adapter. All I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for > the video )or so it appears any way). There are a number of different plugs depending on the Mac you have. Some of these are proprietary to Apple, so the only way to accomplish your director's wishes is to provide VGA with a collection of adapters. Though most Macs which use DVI will accept digital input, all will accept analog VGA through the DVI connector. Noah ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <79C84FCA-F9E2-471C-92ED-B1EF9A92E721 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: The pre-history of the List - was Student introductions Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:37:42 -0800 On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > On 29 Jan 2007, at 21:11, Noah Price wrote: > >> inquo.net came before zinc.com, but neither was first. >> The whole sequence is: >> cai.utah.edu -> jaguar.utah.edu -> zinc.com -> inquo.net -> >> theatre.mtsu.edu -> stagecraft.org -> theatrical.net > > Am I missing something here? Don't the two statements contradict > one another? Whoops, my first statement was reversed. zinc.com came before inquo.net... but still neither was first :-) Look to the Stagecraft site to get it right! Noah > > Bruce > ____________________ > Bruce Purdy > Technical Director > Smith Opera House > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1198.205.215.253.143.1170135605.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: All the Montclair students From: "Bill Nelson" > For me, this list serves at least as much purpose as going to see other > shows on a regular basis...at least as far as the "new > application/creative primer" aspect goes. And it's a hell of a lot more > fun, most of the time. Yep. You can go to a Broadway show and marvel at some of the effects - probably guessing how many of them are managed. But unless you can get a backstage tour from a willing and knowledgeable tech, there will probably be effects that you cannot figure out. On the other hand, there are probably very few effects that cannot be readily explained by someone who is subscribed to this list. And we can often produce a little known (or even new) solution to some encountered problem. A recent example of that was during a discussion about snow drops for shows, which started out with descriptions of variation on the classic snow cradle. One of the list members described his modification using rain gutter, which still required shaking of the trough. That would have been a problem for the show I was lighting, so I created a rotating variation that could be hung on the back of a flat. I recently posted a link to pictures I took of the apparatus. Now list members have two new ways to produce the snowfall effect using artificial snow. These two new methods may not be original, but I suspect they were previously unknown to the list members. Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Vicki Palmer" References:

Subject: RE: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:57:04 -0600 Message-ID: <01c701c74433$77aebe30$640fa8c0 [at] ThePalmers> In-Reply-To: Unfortunately, these panic bars do not have the ability to be "locked open" with a hex key. I wish they did, would solve a lot of our noise issues. I was also told something about "code" for not having them open. We can unlock the doors with a key from the outside, but it does not hold open the panic bar. To say our district architects are not the sharpest tacks in the box when it comes to theatres would be correct. We make due the best we can... Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of SS Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:20 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >>>a possible fix for the panic bars is to secure them with the (if present) set screw that I have found on some crashbars that allow the bars to be pushed in and held in place. This does not lock the doors or prevent them from operating but do cut down on some of the noise. The latch on the outside door handle is what causes much of the noise when you do this as they are now no longer needed to disengage the crashbar to open the door.<<< Almost every house I've ever worked for had a hex key on hand so that house managment could "lock/unlock" the crashbar. Works everytime!! Good call!! -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:11:20 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? In-Reply-To: References: I too would like to meet my fellow listers. Seems like Delbert Hall made an offer of his place but nobody took him up on it. Probably just a little early. I haven't been to one of these in a few years, so I'm probably not the best one to organize anything. Laura McMeley On 1/29/07, Chris Warner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I hadn't seen any mention of this but thought I would see if one was in > the works. This is my first USITT and I will be there Friday thru > Sunday am. Would be cool to meet some of you... > > Probably a bit early, but heck it's worth asking! > Chris Warner > > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BEF105.8060903 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:17:25 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Mac computer question References:

In-Reply-To: Thank you and every one else for your input. It seems we all basically have the same conclusion. Hopefully with your information and some stuff I found on the Internet, I can talk with her tomorrow and move back to the "buy a bunch of adapters" approach. Seems like it will be far more economical and more usable in the long run. Thank you again every one! Noah Price wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Brian James wrote: > >> Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to >> handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. >> All I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for the video >> )or so it appears any way). > > There are a number of different plugs depending on the Mac you have. > Some of these are proprietary to Apple, so the only way to accomplish > your director's wishes is to provide VGA with a collection of > adapters. Though most Macs which use DVI will accept digital input, > all will accept analog VGA through the DVI connector. > > Noah > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:10:18 GMT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Message-Id: <20070130.001021.833.1114743 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> You didn't hear this from me, but if the right sized hole is drilled = through the casting at the exact point that the other doors that can = be 'dogged' have one, the right sized thread has been tapped with a = Tap & Die set, and a brass setscrew that just happens to have the = same characteristics of the set screws on the doors that can be = dogged is installed, you should enjoy the result and many persons = will express their appreciation for the fine work done by theatre = elves who secretly work on weekend mornings alone and uninterrupted. Please treat this information as if I had written the normal caveats = that include 'Don't try this without consulting the AHJ and the = PTB', 'Don't do this in residential occupancies' etc, and as if I had = printed a whole laundry list of 'Thou Shalt Not' instructions in full. /s/ Richard ______________________________ Unfortunately, these panic bars do not have the ability to be "locked = open" with a hex key. I wish they did, would solve a lot of our = noise issues. I was also told something about "code" for not having = them open. We can unlock the doors with a key from the outside, but = it does not hold open the panic bar. To say our district architects = are not the sharpest tacks in the box when it comes to theatres would = be correct. We make due the best we can... Vicki = >>>a possible fix for the panic bars is to secure them with the (if present) set screw that I have found on some crashbars that allow the = bars to be pushed in and held in place. This does = not lock the doors or prevent them from operating but do cut = down on some of the noise. The latch on the outside door handle is what causes much of the = noise when you do this as they are now no longer needed to = disengage the crashbar to open the door.<<< Almost every house I've ever worked for had a hex key on hand = so that house managment could "lock/unlock" the crashbar. Works = everytime!! Good call!! -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1119 ******************************