Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41828907; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:58:16 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41828901; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:58:15 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID,TW_WZ autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1120 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:57:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1120 1. Oldest Tool by Stephen Rees 2. Re: Slick Surfaces - OT by DougP [at] hesston.edu 3. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by Stan Pressner 4. Re: Flying people by Stephen Rees 5. Re: Mac computer question by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 6. Re: Mac computer question by "Delbert Hall" 7. Re: Flying people by "Delbert Hall" 8. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Bruce Purdy 9. Oldest tool by "Michael Powers" 10. Re: Mac computer question by "Jon Ares" 11. Re: **JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by Stephen Litterst 12. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Jon Ares" 13. panic bars by "Bill Conner" 14. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stephen Litterst 15. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stephen Litterst 16. Re: Building a theatre by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: Oldest tool by Pat Kight 18. Re: All the Montclair students by Stephen Litterst 19. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Bruce Purdy 20. Re: panic bars by Bruce Purdy 21. Re: electricity to revolving stage by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Re: Mac computer question by Kyler Glaze 23. Re: Movies & PA by Stephen Litterst 24. Re: Powered Speakers by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: Oldest tool by "richard j. archer" 26. Re: Mac computer question by Philip Johnson 27. Re: All the Montclair students by "Steven Santos" 28. Re: electricity to revolving stage by Steve Shelley 29. Re: All the Montclair students by Stephen Litterst 30. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 31. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by SS 32. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "richard j. archer" 33. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Bill Potter 34. Re: All the Montclair students by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 35. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 36. LED flicker candles for candelabra base by "Scott Parker" 37. Re: LED flicker candles for candelabra base by Stephen Litterst 38. Re: Oldest tool by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Re: All the Montclair students by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: All the Montclair students by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 41. Re: All the Montclair students by Charlie Richmond 42. reparing Altman ground cyc by 43. Music Man Video by "Alf Sauve" 44. Re: All the Montclair students by Charlie Fraser 45. Re: panic bars by "David B. Nelson" 46. Re: panic bars by "David B. Nelson" 47. Re: Mac computer question by Brian James 48. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Barney Simon 49. Re: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains by "Tom Heemskerk" 50. Tongue of a Bird by tpunk13 [at] optonline.net 51. Re: USITT List Get Together? by "Delbert Hall" 52. Re: Montclair by 53. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Barney Simon 54. Re: All the Montclair students by "Kelly Smith" 55. Re: Powered Speakers by "Gregg Carville" 56. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "Adriane Bennett" 57. Lack of interest in working for community theatre by MissWisc [at] aol.com 58. Human vs Computer by Jerry Durand 59. Re: Video of the Jeep Waterfall by "Michael Finney" 60. Re: USITT List Get Together? by "Laura McMeley" 61. Re[2]: Oldest tool by "Frank E. Merrill" 62. Dead Languages 101 (was: Re: electricity to revolving stage) by CB 63. ETC RFU-2 Update by "Wayne Rasmussen" 64. Re: Mac computer question by Jerry Durand 65. Re: Re[2]: Oldest tool by MissWisc [at] aol.com 66. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Steve Shelley 67. Mac computer question by CB 68. Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? by CB 69. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by CB 70. Re: Swag at USITT by Steve Shelley 71. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Michael Brubaker" 72. Re: USITT List Get Together? by "Paul Schreiner" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:38:36 -0500 Subject: Oldest Tool From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I've got a set of 1/2" drive sockets that I bought in 1966. Steve R. On 1/29/07 2:24 PM, "David Fox" wrote: > What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new? > David Fox > _________________________________ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT Message-ID: From: DougP [at] hesston.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:42:03 -0600 You might also try wrapping (or adhering) racquet handle tape to the non-functional surfaces. Provides a good grip and absorbs sweat for those marathon channel-surfing sessions. >> The dip it stuff for hand tools gets real dirty with age. >> Paul >I think I resent that remark. >Rob't >Subject: Re: Slick Surfaces - OT >> Silicone caulk brushed on or E-6000 will give a "sticky " like >> surface. Perhaps attaching the remote to a partial glove or adding >some >> sort of tab that fits between his fingers. Doug Peters Technical Director (among other things) Hesston College Theatre Dept 620-327-8240 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. -Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See" ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <035DC6B1-E569-46EA-A94E-6676F97D79A1 [at] verizon.net> From: Stan Pressner Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:46:36 -0500 My Amprobe and wiggy both date from 1975. Both are often used. Best, Stan Pressner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:47:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Flying people From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: All the Delbert suggests is true. We knew the cost of everything (including our hotel and hospitality costs) before we signed the contract with the company we used. The only complication was the need to use Purchase Orders and involve the Purchasing dept because an actual contract was involved. Not a large problem though. The only thing not included was the bar tab. ;) Steve R. On 1/29/07 3:56 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > > Most companys can tell you the shipping cost and per diem before you > sign a contract. Travel can be estimated. The client usually pays > the hotel directely. Insurance should be included in the cost, not > added extra. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:45:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Mac computer question From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Don't know about the other Mac users, but my projector has a variety of inputs, including USB. Then again, your projector may dictate something totally different. My projector is a Sanyo PLC-XU35. Steve > From: Brian James > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:15:45 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Mac computer question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all, this may not be the best place for this post, but I > figured I would give it a shot. > > I work a student center and we are looking to put new projection systems > in about 10 of our rooms. Typically, we use VGA in put for computers. > Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to > handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. All > I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for the video )or so > it appears any way). > > After reading some it appears that my best option is to supply the > correct connection on a wall plate and hide the DVI to VGA connection is > the wall. I am assuming this do to cable length runs and lack of real > switching options. We probably need to stick with something VERY simple > for the user like the Extron Media Link stuff. > > So here are my questions: > 1) Am I right about just hiding the connector in the wall? > 2) What else do I need to know about DVI that I may be missing (for > instance is the the same thing as RGBHV or something else)? I am poking > around on the net for better information about DVI. > > Like I said, this may not be the place, but my impression is that there > are a few Mac users here that may be able to help shed some light on > this topic. > > Any thoughts or input you may have would be appreciated as I work > through this project, and if I am in the wrong place, any ideas were I > should go? Preferable polite ideas would be preferred =) > > Thanks for your time! ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:17:00 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my new monitor have a DVI input. It will tke some time for this to get all sorted out, but I would not be surprized to soon start seeing video projectors with DVI inputs. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:19:52 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Flying people In-Reply-To: References:

> All the Delbert suggests is true. We knew the cost of everything (including > our hotel and hospitality costs) before we signed the contract with the > company we used. The only complication was the need to use Purchase Orders > and involve the Purchasing dept because an actual contract was involved. > Not a large problem though. The only thing not included was the bar tab. > ;) > Steve R. I know who did the flying for Steve's production and I know that they give their clients the figures for all the costs up front - which is how it should be. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <7875A926-1EEB-4DC3-8320-B5DC8CAE334C [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:19:52 -0500 On 29 Jan 2007, at 23:32, Jon Ares wrote: > My new theatre has lock-downable bars in a couple of places, but > where I'd kill for one is the one from the green room to the > stage..... why they missed that one I'll never know. District > Operations sees installing one here as a rather extraneous and > expensive 'luxury.' As a cheap alternative, how about installing an eye bolt behind/ below the panic bar, and use a short bungee cord to hold the bar down. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0701300621l77b92735vcb57176aa7ef8ffe [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:21:13 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: Oldest tool <<...... What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased new?.......>> It would have to be a pair of tools, I got them the same day. June 1965, I had just started a summer stock job and we were all told we could purchase personal tools at the compay wholesale prices at local dealer. I bought a 20oz Klien Rip hammer and a pair of 9" Klien high leverage linesman pliers. Both are still in my tool box and used regularly. -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c7447a$87a9a790$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Mac computer question Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:25:44 -0800 > DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and > Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my > new monitor have a DVI input. It will tke some time for this to get > all sorted out, but I would not be surprized to soon start seeing > video projectors with DVI inputs. I manage about 100 data projectors around my school - one in every classroom, plus about a dozen available for checkout, conference rooms, etc. Only one of ours has a DVI, and I think it's probably one that someone was careless when ordering the projector. We have to keep an adapter with it, or just use it with DVD players, etc. DVI is great and dandy, but I'm hesitant to change over to DVI projectors, because (as others have mentioned) Apple keeps changing what form factor their DVI is going to be. Not much of a standard, if the next iWhat comes with yet another differently-shaped plug. The PC world moves much slower, but they also know they'd piss off a lot of corporate and government folk if they moved too quickly. To all students and staff that want to use their Macs, we always say, "Hold on to your adapters - you'll need them." - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF5588.6090200 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:26:16 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? References:

In-Reply-To: Jim Hyslop wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > And then there's the blonde who got fired from the M&Ms Chocolate > factory quality assurance, for throwing out all the Ws. Not only didn't they fire her, but their quality assurance is getting worse. Along with the Ws, I keep finding 3s and Es. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c7447a$f587e010$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:28:49 -0800 > As a cheap alternative, how about installing an eye bolt behind/ below the > panic bar, and use a short bungee cord to hold the bar down. Fast forward about 50 years. These crash bars are flat, and 'integrated' into an aluminum panel that runs pretty much the width of the door. They're no longer horizontal pipes that hang down. There's nothing to grab/strap/bungee. Dogging it down is pretty much the only way to hold one down. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009001c7447b$56a887a0$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" References: Subject: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:31:32 -0600 Openings - of which doors are one type - in a fire resistive rated wall - now called fire barriers in the most common model building code - usually are required to have an opening protective - which in your case seems to be a door that is designed and tested and deemed suitable. Part of that test is that the door be held closed by a latch, which is usually an integral part of the exit access hardware - better known as a panic bar. The reason for the latch is indeed because a fire can create huge pressure differenials. The pictures of the fire at the Frankfurt Opera House show the satge doors - stout metal doors - bowed inward, most likely from the negative pressure at the lower levels of the stage. As the air in the fire heats, it becomes less dense and gravity forces the cooler, denser, air from outside the fire in, under the heated air. Pressures exceed 10 psf in some cases or over 200 pounds in teh case of a single door. Since ADA requires that doors open with a 5 pound pressure, you can see the problem. At the NFPA website, you can look at NFPA 80 which covers fire doors and windows. It now includes fabric fire safety curtains and, if you are interested, there is a sesion at USITT Saturday afternoon on fire safety curtains and, through the courtesy of NFPA, I'll be handing out 50 copies of NFPA 80 - a $35 book usually. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF58B4.4090007 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:39:48 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 29 Jan 2007, at 23:32, Jon Ares wrote: > >> My new theatre has lock-downable bars in a couple of places, but >> where I'd kill for one is the one from the green room to the >> stage..... why they missed that one I'll never know. District >> Operations sees installing one here as a rather extraneous and >> expensive 'luxury.' > > > As a cheap alternative, how about installing an eye bolt behind/ > below the panic bar, and use a short bungee cord to hold the bar down. Before you do this, make sure that the door is not considered a fire door. In the event of a fire, some doors must be able to latch to lessen the spread of the fire, smoke, etc. Disabling the latch on these would be bad. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF595D.5050603 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:42:37 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: Jon Ares wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Fast forward about 50 years. These crash bars are flat, and > 'integrated' into an aluminum panel that runs pretty much the width of > the door. They're no longer horizontal pipes that hang down. There's > nothing to grab/strap/bungee. Dogging it down is pretty much the only > way to hold one down. Ok, now that you've mentioned it -- Why is it referred to as "Dogging?" I'm used to the term, but several of the staff in my new facility think it's the funniest term they've ever heard and continually ask me where the term comes from. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF599B.3060108 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:43:39 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Building a theatre References: In-Reply-To: Paul Marsland wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > After the discussion a couple of weeks ago about consultants, > architects and building (or renovating) a theatre, I was pleasantly > surprised to find the following blurb on some drawings from our now > 6-year-old theatre. I would attribute this to the office of Robert > Davis, the consultant on our project, since I don't think our > architect would come forth with such verbage on his own; > > "THE WORK IN SECTION 11060-RIGGING AND > STAGE DRAPERIES CANNOT MOVE TO ACCOMODATE > ADJACAENT TRADES. ITS TOLERANCES ARE TOO > PRECISE TO ALLOW DEVIATION FROM IDEAL > LOCATIONS. THEREFORE IT IS THE WORK OF ALL > OTHER TRADES TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK > IN SECTION 11060 AND TO STAY CLEAR OF IT. WHERE > CONFLICTS OCCUR, MOVE THE WORK OF ALL OTHER > TRADES TO ACCOMMODATE THE WORK IN 11060 > AT NO COST TO THE CONTRACTOR AND NO COST > TO THE OWNER." > > I will say that this info appeared on most (if not all) of the > drawings, and it really seemed to work! I'm saving this for our next building project! Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF5BBF.9080901 [at] peak.org> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:52:47 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Oldest tool References: In-Reply-To: Michael Powers wrote: > <<...... What is the oldest tool that you still own that you purchased > new?.......>> > > It would have to be a pair of tools, I got them the same day. June > 1965, I had just started a summer stock job and we were all told we > could purchase personal tools at the compay wholesale prices at local > dealer. I bought a 20oz Klien Rip hammer and a pair of 9" Klien high > leverage linesman pliers. Both are still in my tool box and used > regularly. I've been following this thread with amusement - at the realization that while I have some very old tools, they're only incidentally related to stagecraft. My great-grandmother's solid oak, single-piece rolling pin, which probably dates to the early 1900s, has appeared on several vintage-kitchen sets when it's not helping me turn out perfect pie crusts in my kitchen. And my 150-year-old cast-iron bookbinding press, a massive thing of simple mechanical beauty, gets used now and then to make special prop books. By comparison, my oldest strictly-stagecraft tools - a set of Rosco scenic fitches, still in excellent shape if a bit stained and grubby-looking - are a mere 30 years old. As the guy who taught me scene-painting used remind us, "Take care of your tools and your tools will take care of you." -- Pt Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF5C0A.8090702 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:54:02 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: All the Montclair students References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > It wasn't your statement that this was in response to, either. It's a > blanket thrown at the sentiment held by many in this profession that > *everyone* in theatre *needs* to have Broadway tickets on their > Christmas lists or somesuch, and if they don't then they're not really > serious about The Art. It's a load of hooey. I find I run into that attitude more frequently from people outside of the profession. "What? You haven't seen Avenue Q? But you're in Theatre!" I find turning the tables on them is the fastest way to make them see the light -- "What? You didn't watch the C-span coverage of the Supreme Court decision? But you're a paralegal!" Steve L -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <4ADC19E8-7346-4677-A0A0-78EBE7696E34 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:59:46 -0500 On 30 Jan 2007, at 09:28, Jon Ares wrote: >> As a cheap alternative, how about installing an eye bolt behind/ >> below the panic bar, and use a short bungee cord to hold the bar >> down. > > Fast forward about 50 years. These crash bars are flat, and > 'integrated' into an aluminum panel that runs pretty much the width > of the door. They're no longer horizontal pipes that hang down. > There's nothing to grab/strap/bungee. Dogging it down is pretty > much the only way to hold one down. OK, I'll admit it, I'm and old pharte working in an old building, and used to old style hardware. I know the kind of panic bar you are referring to though, and I still think that a similar approach might work. Perhaps a pair of eye bolts (one above and one below) with a short bungee or something in between. Or perhaps something like a "L" screw that with a quarter turn will hold the panic bar in. Yes, I understand that this might not be permitted if it is indeed a fire door, but it's something to consider otherwise. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <174617B5-2E28-4478-A5EE-B0D064BBEEE0 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:03:46 -0500 On 30 Jan 2007, at 09:31, Bill Conner wrote: > The pictures of the fire at the Frankfurt Opera House show the > satge doors - stout metal doors - bowed inward, most likely from > the negative pressure at the lower levels of the stage. As the air > in the fire heats, it becomes less dense and gravity forces the > cooler, denser, air from outside the fire in, under the heated > air. Pressures exceed 10 psf in some cases or over 200 pounds in > teh case of a single door. Thank you Bill, for the clarification on the fire door issue. One thing stands out to me though. As you point out, the pressure bows them inward. As emergency exits, they must open outwards. Therefore, latching mechanisms seem needless, as the negative pressure would keep them closed! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:04:58 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage In-Reply-To: References: > Latin is not quite dead. Nolo in plaustrum imponi! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF5EF4.8080403 [at] kylerglaze.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:06:28 -0600 From: Kyler Glaze Subject: Re: Mac computer question References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and > Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my > new monitor have a DVI input. It will tke some time for this to get > all sorted out, but I would not be surprized to soon start seeing > video projectors with DVI inputs. Actually, DVI has already saturated the PC market pretty well. There are very few new video cards on the market that offer VGA ports, and most all new big name desktop computers (Dell, Gateway, HP, et al.) come with LCD monitors that use DVI. Also, every projector I've seen in the past year or so has had a DVI input. This is more than likely due to the spread of HDCP, and with the release of Windows Vista today and its reliance on HDCP and other forms of DRM for video content, I foresee VGA disappearing completely pretty soon. I'd suggest running a DVI cable to the projector for the best quality and have a female VGA to male DVI adapter available for it for older computers. Any Macs that have proprietary video ports other than DVI or VGA should have their own adapters. Is it just me or do all of these letters make your head spin too? -- Kyler Glaze kyler [at] kylerglaze.com Treasurer/Webmaster USITT [at] UTA http://www.usittuta.org/ Webmaster UTA Dept. of Theatre Arts http://www.uta.edu/theatre/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF620F.6070705 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:19:43 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Movies & PA References: In-Reply-To: Andy Leviss wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I can't remember the last time I've seen a 1/4" patch bay in a theatre > sound reinforcement system. I've seen XLR patchbays in lots of theatres > all over the country. Come visit me. Four venues, each with a 1/4" longframe patchbay, plus another 1/4" longframe in the main rack room. Each patchbay takes up a half rack by itself, so using XLR in this instance would have crowded everything else out of the control rooms. Venue opened in August of '06. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF62C6.7000604 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:22:46 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Powered Speakers References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > It does sound like your situation is begging for powered speakers, just > find an empty XLR-hole and an empty edison-hole and you're in. Howzzat > work for ground loops, BTW? Did your electrician plan ahead for that kind > of thing? If he did, find out where he is right now and send him a card. > A nice one. Maybe some chocolates. Haven't run across any ground loops yet. The building has separate outlets for sound use, all connected to an isolated ground. The only time I've had someone complain of a ground problem was when he was plugged into a non-isolated outlet. As soon as I pointed him at the outlets with the little orange triangles he was quite happy. Not to mention that the sound outlets all shut down in the event of a fire alarm. Steve l. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:21:34 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Oldest tool I've got a 1905 Kliegl Bros. extension cord plug box. Accepts the old paddle type plug, pretty wooden case(oak?) with a nice asbestos lining inside. Of course, I didn't buy this new. Discounting my X-mas present Swiss army knife from the 50's, those would be tools I bought in 1965 when I worked as an electrician's helper wiring houses (which, as I've mentioned before on this list, are still standing in NJ and haven't burned down despite having aluminum wire and copper outlets, receptacles and switches.) Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:46:53 -0600 Subject: Re: Mac computer question From: Philip Johnson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 1/29/07 10:38 PM, "John McKernon" wrote: > I'm a Mac diehard, but a VGA adapter comes with every PowerBook and is small > and easy to pack along with the laptop (and they're cheap to buy, too). At > NYU, the projectors all use VGA because there's a mix of Macs, Windows, and > DVD players all of which need to hook up to the projectors, so every video > cable has a Mac adapter that goes with it. Most Macheads are this way. We are so accustomed to having to make our macs work with everyone else we usually have a bag of tricks with our computer. The macbook pro I have came with the adapter. If you have the connectors available either at the plate or for the asking most people should be happy. Your supervisor as a mac user is tired of the frustration he has faced (as have most of us mac users) and decided to make frustrations go away. As it has been mentioned the dvi connectors mac uses have changed over the past years but the newer macs will use the adaptor and automatically adjust the display to whatever display it is using. If you have the adapters you will will help the guy who forgot/lost/didn't bring his adaptors. While your at it make sure you have the windows adaptors if there are any so you have all of your bases covered Phil Johnson ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I find turning the tables on them is the fastest way to make them see > the light -- > > "What? You didn't watch the C-span coverage of the Supreme Court > decision? But you're a paralegal!" True enough. Now, lets change the focus a little. If I were to ask a group of law students if they had read the latest SCOTUS ruling, or at least a summary of it, and they said no, I would be shocked, and wondering if they really wanted to be a lawyer. To flip this around to a profesional level, it wouldn't suprise me if a working lawyer has not read it, unless its a ruling thats within their area of practice. By and large, students dont yet have an established area of practice. Being a student is about gaining experiance. I don't go to see a lot of circuses myself anymore, but I sure as heck do push my students to see as many as they can specifically because they don't yet have the experiance. YMMV ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:58:03 -0500 Subject: Re: electricity to revolving stage From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Insulsos insilias! On 1/30/07 10:04 AM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Latin is not quite dead. > > Nolo in plaustrum imponi! -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF6BE2.909 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:01:38 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: All the Montclair students References: In-Reply-To: Steven Santos wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Now, lets change the focus a little. If I were to ask a group of law > students if they had read the latest SCOTUS ruling, or at least a summary of > it, and they said no, I would be shocked, and wondering if they really > wanted to be a lawyer. To flip this around to a profesional level, it > wouldn't suprise me if a working lawyer has not read it, unless its a ruling > thats within their area of practice. I knew that was going to be a bad example, but I couldn't come up with one for doing chartered accountancy in your personal time. A better example would be a lawyer regularly attending circuit court hearings in their personal time. As a professional I am aware of new products and practices in my industry without personally attending every hot new broadway show that comes out. I would certainly expect a lawyer to be aware of precedents and decisions as part of their practice, but not to devote personal time to witness routine legal proceedings. > By and large, students dont yet have an established area of practice. Being > a student is about gaining experiance. I don't go to see a lot of circuses > myself anymore, but I sure as heck do push my students to see as many as > they can specifically because they don't yet have the experiance. Agreed. And when I was in a position with more student contact I saw more live theatre to set an example for the students. Of course, I can't think of the last time I saw a circus. Steve l. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:01:56 GMT Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Message-Id: <20070130.080231.8266.1171369 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> I bought 3 Amprobes and 3 Wiggies in 1970, when I wanted to monitor = all three phases simultaneously. It seemed important at the time. /s/ Richard _________________________________ My Amprobe and wiggy both date from 1975. Both are often used. Best, Stan Pressner ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701300804j7f16672alb06f701fbb56012d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:04:13 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: References:

> We have seriously discussed having the house manager make the > announcements from down front, during which time a "planted" cell phone > would ring. House manager would then take the (cheap or fake) cell phone > and smash it to bits with a hammer, smile sweetly and ask if there are > any questions. Once worked a production of Ubu Roi in which the house management team and the director worked a similar scenario into the show. The show was in an expandable black box so they planted one of the actors in the house, almost directly in front of the house manager (they did a live curtain speech). At the start of the show, roughly 1 minute in, we had the actors cell phone ring. He answered, beginning to have a conversation. The cast then proceeded to pull him out of his seat and "beat" him while yelling tirades about "being rude", and "not listening to the announcement", etc. It worked for sure. Sitting in the booth it was quite a sight to peer down and see what appeared to be at least 100 people simultaneously shut off their phones, nightly. -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:13:32 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Any of you who might have seen Ka at the MGM Grand know that there they accost the (planted) offender, throw his cell phone over the pit rail into the "abyss" and eventually throw the offender in after the phone. Dick A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:28:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? From: Bill Potter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'll give this one a go... A "dog" is a gadget that is used to hold something tightly to something else. So, to dog something is to hold it in place. Holddown dogs are used to clamp something to a workbench. Nautically speaking, a "dog: is used to hold fast hatches and covers. Bill Potter Technical Director St. Paul's School Concord NH On 1/30/07 9:42 AM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Jon Ares wrote: > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> Fast forward about 50 years. These crash bars are flat, and >> 'integrated' into an aluminum panel that runs pretty much the width of >> the door. They're no longer horizontal pipes that hang down. There's >> nothing to grab/strap/bungee. Dogging it down is pretty much the only >> way to hold one down. > > Ok, now that you've mentioned it -- > > Why is it referred to as "Dogging?" I'm used to the term, but several > of the staff in my new facility think it's the funniest term they've > ever heard and continually ask me where the term comes from. > > Steve L. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c7448b$b2e8e9a0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Of course, I can't think of the last time I saw a circus. The presidential primaries are almost upon us. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <10057385.1170174724192.JavaMail.? [at] fh123.dia.he.tucows.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:32:04 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own > All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. > > Bill > Your wrenches are right-handed on both sides?? I have a left handed friend who claimed that he had always used "right handed" tools and found the ones designed for left handed users to be awkward and difficult to use. I don't know the actual ratio but it seems there is an inordinant number of lefties here in Hawaii. As far as the oldest tool I have and still use that I acquired myself... I have a Tru-Test hammer that I found when I was 7 or 8. I am 55 n. Therefore I have had that tool for 64 years... or something. Using the same mathematical technique to figure time, I still use my father's Craftsman 5/8 hp. router that is also around 67 years old. Lamenting the decline of its motor, I recently found (in the last 17 years) an identical model... new in the box at a friend's house. Laters, Paul (The times expressed may be slightly "off"... might be metric or something.) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980701300832q294576fscc9d39d3b6c9bea2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:51 -0500 From: "Scott Parker" Cc: hstech [at] googlegroups.com (hstech group) Subject: LED flicker candles for candelabra base hello everyone, I am looking to put "candles" into a hanging chandelier that has candelabra base sockets. Most of the LED -based Flicker candles that I've found are battery-operated. This doesn't work as I'd like to run these through the lighting board. Does anyone have a source for a screw in candelabra base 110 V Flicker candle? -- Thanks and take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF744F.501 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:37:35 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: LED flicker candles for candelabra base References: In-Reply-To: Scott Parker wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > hello everyone, > I am looking to put "candles" into a hanging chandelier that has > candelabra base sockets. Most of the LED -based Flicker candles that > I've found are battery-operated. This doesn't work as I'd like to run > these through the lighting board. > > Does anyone have a source for a screw in candelabra base 110 V Flicker > candle? Well, there are those 1970s flicker lamps. More aesthetically pleasing would be to use the City Theatrical flicker candles. The have a dimmer-friendly x-former available that I have wired into chandeliers several times with pleasing results. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:43:30 EST Subject: Re: Oldest tool I have several hand tools that used to belong to my grandfather - I would guess they are from the 1930-1040 era. One is a long billed pliers that I love for when I have to run a carbon arc spot light. He loved woodworking. I've got tables and a stool he built too. BTW Tools make GREAT gifts! Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:53:17 EST Subject: Re: All the Montclair students litterst.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: << "What? You haven't seen Avenue Q? But you're in Theatre!" >> Uh, yeah. Like they'd expect someone who sells cars to have driven every model. For those of us in theater who aren't also in NYC, there are many shows we'll never see/work simply because of the logistics involved. I wanted to see Avenue Q when I was in NYC this past summer, but my highly intelligent hubby had heard the whole soundtrack and said it wasn't appropriate for our son. I find it highly ironic that I was backstage at a Broadway theatre (got a tour from a friend who was working on "Wedding Singer") before I watched the show from the house - and that both happened on the same day after 20+ years as an IA stagehand. Avenue Q will be touring and I hope to get to see/work it, but frankly, I expect it to have a similar reception as Urinetown. There's a lot of NYC humor that folks in the rest of the country don't "get". Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:57:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c7448f$bae15490$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > There's=20 > a lot of NYC humor=20 > that folks in the rest of the country don't "get". The humor that I didn't get in Avenue Q was the vast number of Sesame = Street references. It's one of the few Broadway musicals I've been to in = recent years; I had a friend in form out of town and I love puppets.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:58:13 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > Avenue Q will be touring and I hope to get to see/work it, but frankly, I > expect it to have a similar reception as Urinetown. There's a lot of NYC humor > that folks in the rest of the country don't "get". Saw a local production of Urinetown and have to say most cities these days are acquiring many of the NYC type quirks that generated that unique type of humour... C | Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond | | http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" | | Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html | | SoundMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sndmanlist.html | | AudioBox List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html | | ShowMan List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/smlist.html | | "Let distribution undo excess - And each man have enough" | | - King Lear | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: reparing Altman ground cyc Message-ID: <562092.19765.qm [at] web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yesterday after I rehung my "rep" plot I discovered that one of my cyc lights was not working. After the normal cross plugging, relamping, checking the circuit breaker, the wiring in the plug, and the socket I pulled the unit off the electric and opened up the back. What I found kind of surprised me. One the the leads to the 3rd cell melted and arced on the gutter, burn marks can be seen all over the gutter. Also on the other side the plastic ring around the hole for AC in has melted. My questions are 1. should I replace the gutter and 2. when I replace the now bad socket is glass cloth electrical tape (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611736434) the correct thing to use to cover the splices? I think this is what is on them now. Thanks in advance Ken Zinkl Auditorium Manager Fort Zumwalt South High School 636-281-0732 ------------------------------ Subject: Music Man Video Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Alf Sauve" Don't want to re-invent the wheel. Middle High is staging Music Man = (Jr) in two months. Director want to use the projector screens for some = added eye candy. Specifically he wants the screen to show the passing = scenery for the opening "train" scene. I've found some scenery shots (Free Stock Footage) out windows that I = can use, BUT...... Anybody done this already? Anybody have a source for "looking out train = window" of Midwest (Iowa) scenery? =20 Thanks, Alf Sauv=E9 Media Specialist Mt Bethel UMC Marietta, GA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF7AF7.7070502 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:05:59 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: All the Montclair students References: In-Reply-To: I was going to start a new thread but I have a question related. When I started being interested in theater I was 16 years old and a high school junior in 1983. At the urging of my stagecraft teacher I got involved with community theater. By the time I went to college I had over 20 shows under my belt with crew and design credits. It was easy for me to get into a theater program. Now working in a community theater I find a lack of interest for both students and teachers in forming liaisons and working with us. My question is what has changed? When I was taking classes some 20 years ago there was a 50 hour outside theater work requirement. Is that still the case today? I find myself on deaf ears to try and get volunteers. I even offered 1 community college student a design opportunity and they turned it down. As with any career path the ambitious people go far. What am I missing? Charlie Steven Santos wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> I find turning the tables on them is the fastest way to make them see >> the light -- >> >> "What? You didn't watch the C-span coverage of the Supreme Court >> decision? But you're a paralegal!" >> > > True enough. > > Now, lets change the focus a little. If I were to ask a group of law > students if they had read the latest SCOTUS ruling, or at least a summary of > it, and they said no, I would be shocked, and wondering if they really > wanted to be a lawyer. To flip this around to a profesional level, it > wouldn't suprise me if a working lawyer has not read it, unless its a ruling > thats within their area of practice. > > By and large, students dont yet have an established area of practice. Being > a student is about gaining experiance. I don't go to see a lot of circuses > myself anymore, but I sure as heck do push my students to see as many as > they can specifically because they don't yet have the experiance. > > YMMV > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Santos > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > Newton, MA 02462 > Phone: 617-527-0667 > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:14:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c74492$1dae61b0$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy writes... > Thank you Bill, for the clarification on the fire door issue. One > thing stands out to me though. As you point out, the pressure bows > them inward. As emergency exits, they must open outwards. Therefore, > latching mechanisms seem needless, as the negative pressure would > keep them closed! The codes are also concerned with "back draft" events, in which a sudden source of oxygen introduced into a room filled with super-heated smoke causes something of an explosion, in which case outward opening doors might blow open. ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c74493$193196b0$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Greg Bierly writes... > I too have latches without set screws. I was informed at one time > this was due to code. It is. > I seem to recall something about air pressure allowing > the doors to open and feed fires or is this a wives tale? Fire doors need to close and latch positively in order to provide protection to the spaces beyond, especially if those spaces are corridors, other rooms, or generally speaking exit paths from the building. Fire doors may not be propped open with door stops, may not have the latches "dogged" in the open position, and often have magnetic hold-open systems tied into the fire alarm system, that release the doors upon alarm activation. You need to be sure the doors can close by their closer mechanism, and nothing impedes their travel. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House (and former Fire Commissioner for East Derry, NH) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF7F20.2050907 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:23:44 -0500 From: Brian James Reply-To: brianedwardjames [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Mac computer question References: In-Reply-To: Right now we do not have a projector in hand. I am designing the systems to put into the rooms, so I am just trying to figure out my best options for the Mac users we have. Probably 98% of the users here are PC, but I see my bosses point of accommodating the few Mac users we do have. deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Don't know about the other Mac users, but my projector > has a variety of inputs, including USB. Then again, > your projector may dictate something totally different. > My projector is a Sanyo PLC-XU35. > > Steve > > >> From: Brian James >> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:15:45 -0500 >> To: "Stagecraft" >> Subject: Mac computer question >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greetings all, this may not be the best place for this post, but I >> figured I would give it a shot. >> >> I work a student center and we are looking to put new projection systems >> in about 10 of our rooms. Typically, we use VGA in put for computers. >> Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to >> handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. All >> I know about Macs is that they use a DVI connector for the video )or so >> it appears any way). >> >> After reading some it appears that my best option is to supply the >> correct connection on a wall plate and hide the DVI to VGA connection is >> the wall. I am assuming this do to cable length runs and lack of real >> switching options. We probably need to stick with something VERY simple >> for the user like the Extron Media Link stuff. >> >> So here are my questions: >> 1) Am I right about just hiding the connector in the wall? >> 2) What else do I need to know about DVI that I may be missing (for >> instance is the the same thing as RGBHV or something else)? I am poking >> around on the net for better information about DVI. >> >> Like I said, this may not be the place, but my impression is that there >> are a few Mac users here that may be able to help shed some light on >> this topic. >> >> Any thoughts or input you may have would be appreciated as I work >> through this project, and if I am in the wrong place, any ideas were I >> should go? Preferable polite ideas would be preferred =) >> >> Thanks for your time! >> > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF80BA.7020807 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:30:34 -0500 From: Barney Simon Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? References: In-Reply-To: Chris Warner wrote: > Would be cool to meet some of you... As I had a Sr. moment and missed the NYC get together.... I too would like to see if I could miss a -- I meant attend -- a USITT gathering. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Tom Heemskerk" Subject: RE: Theatre gig in Rocky Mountains Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:10 -0800 >The Wildhorse Theatre at Fort Steele, BC is a beautiful 500 seat >proscenium arch >theatre with limited lighting and excellent acoustics. And, it's a roll-drop house! th _________________________________________________________________ Free Alerts�: Be smart - let your information find you�! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:36:42 +0000 (GMT) From: tpunk13 [at] optonline.net Subject: Tongue of a Bird Message-id: Greetings all- My name is Tory and I'm designing props for the show Tongue of a Bird, at Binghamton University this semester. For this production we need to construct a globe that will rotate and will light up. It has to appear to look like an extremely large child's globe and then needs to turn white and then back into globe colors. Any ideas? Thanks for your time and brain wracking. -Tory ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:42:46 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? In-Reply-To: References:

Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Montclair Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:45:06 +0000 Message-Id: <20070130174506.TDXQ17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Michael Brubaker" > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 01:33:34 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Montclair > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Frank, > > Since so one really answered, I will. Montclair is in New Jersey, USA. > > Here's a link to a MapQuest map: http://tinyurl.com/yrnz74 > Thanks, Mike. I have got an old Rand-McNally road atlas, somewhere, but it's at least one flight of stairs away. > Mike Brubaker > Head of Design > Associated Controls + Design > 6850 N Guion Rd > Indianapolis, IN 46268 > > T: 800.382.3961 x117 > T: 317.298.3961 x117 > F: 317-293-0281 > > -----Original Message----- > frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > > National and local pride is no bad thing. But an element of realism is > needed. As a Londoner, I have to confess that I don't know where Montclair > is. I don't even know what country it is in. > > > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BF874B.20303 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:58:35 -0500 From: Barney Simon Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list > reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say > Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? I will have a suite, but I'm about 5mi from the convention center. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes, Drops, and Dance Floors Sales, Rental, and Custom Sewing 629 Grove Street, Lot #26 Jersey City NJ 07310 201-222-1677 F:201-222-1699 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6c627fdc0701300959lab943an82a1a834d3b52ff2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:59:23 -0600 From: "Kelly Smith" Subject: Re: All the Montclair students In-Reply-To: References:

On 1/30/07, Charlie Fraser wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I was going to start a new thread but I have a question related. When I > started being interested in theater I was 16 years old and a high school > junior in 1983. At the urging of my stagecraft teacher I got involved > with community theater. By the time I went to college I had over 20 > shows under my belt with crew and design credits. It was easy for me to > get into a theater program. Now working in a community theater I find a > lack of interest for both students and teachers in forming liaisons and > working with us. My question is what has changed? When I was taking > classes some 20 years ago there was a 50 hour outside theater work > requirement. Is that still the case today? I find myself on deaf ears > to try and get volunteers. I even offered 1 community college student a > design opportunity and they turned it down. As with any career path the > ambitious people go far. What am I missing? > I go to a University where it is like pulling teeth to get some of the Theatre students involved in working on their own shows. I don't know what is because you would think they would be jumping for joy to do anything theatre-related. Maybe that's too romantic of a thought though. It especially puzzles me because I am one of the few students you is super ambitious and jump at opportunities. I've worked a lot outside of school, probably to the dismay of the professors. I have heard that some Universities don't allow their students to work outside of school, although I'm sure this is probably different for community colleges. What I'm trying to say is, don't worry, eventually someone will come along for you because there are still ambitious people out there, I know because I am one of the them. -Kelly Smith Lighting Designer Chair - USITT Student Chapter at UTA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2c0e15160701301000v5ff7006dg840c331132cc073a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:00:19 -0500 From: "Gregg Carville" Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] listserv.aol.com (Discussion list for people working in sound for live theatre.) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers In-Reply-To: References:

Thank you to all for the advice and interesting conversation on my post regarding powered speakers. In regards to some of the questions that have been raised, I am looking for a powered speaker because it will be the most flexible for my alternative uses (mainly small PA needed in a variety of situations, some exterior.) Personally my preference is to use passive speakers and amps. However in this particular application I feel it won't be the easiest way to do it. Mainly it has to do with setup, portability, and ease of operation. Most of my situations will not be handled by anyone trained in sound, troubleshooting, or even technical theater. I have seen problems in my venue with outside community shows that bring in powered speakers and then start running cables every which way and end up on different phases with a nasty humm. We have learned to counsel those groups and assist them in sorting out the mess. As for the brand issues, that is why I posted in the first place, I wanted to hear real world opinions about the options that exist. I should have included a price range, which seems to be in the medium end, say $700-900 a cabinet. Generally my goal is to find the product to fit the need and then figure out the budget. But I am afraid that Meyer and others are beyond what I can justify for this application. I have looked at JBL, Mackie, QSC, Yamaha and EV, as well as any specific references people have sent me. I appreciate all of the comments and feedback as it has given me a lot to chew over. Thank you, Gregg ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45BF33A0.1E41.009F.0 [at] auburn.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:01:47 -0600 From: "Adriane Bennett" Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: I know this is a little "ghetto", but cheap and easy (much like I like my men, but that's another diatribe). We have similar crash bars on our upstage walls that lead to greenroom and dressing rooms that make a horrendous noise during shows that we cannot lock the crash bars down. We just take a couple layers of gaff tape and tape the latch down so it's flush with the rest of the unit and doesn't catch when closed. It'll last a couple weeks which is about how long we need it for a run, and then we take the tape off later. This probably negates those fire codes, but like I said, it's a little "ghetto". And please, no offense meant in the word "ghetto". Adriane > As a cheap alternative, how about installing an eye bolt behind/ below the > panic bar, and use a short bungee cord to hold the bar down. Adriane Bennett Technical Director Auburn University Theatre Department 334-844-6620 344-844-4939 (fax) ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:02:58 EST Subject: Lack of interest in working for community theatre charlie [at] charliefraser.com writes: << Now working in a community theater I find a lack of interest for both students and teachers in forming liaisons and working with us. My question is what has changed? >> Some ideas: 1) People generally aren't rewarded for initiative, so most don't take it. Schools today are oriented to "learn this, take the test, be done" (thanks to the "no-child left behind" act) not "learn all you can about everything you can so that you can be the best person you can be and do lots of cool things" thus the go-get-em attitude is the exception now. 2) Many, many teachers and administrators view tech theatre as a dumping ground for students who don't "fit in". Hence most teachers don't go out of their way to find and support opportunities for them. They believe no one can make a living at it, so why bother. I've had good luck showing how tech theatre USES what they learn in all their other classes and when I tell them touring stagehands make more than teachers, they start to listen more closely. 3) You need to forge the relationship before you tender the offer. Get to know the teachers on their turf, Offer to be a speaker at career day, go work on a show in their space, THEN individually ask students who have talent/skill/desire/chutzpah to come work with you. Be generous with your praise - it's almost as good as a paycheck. 4) Many kids simply can't afford to work for free. HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:05:28 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Human vs Computer Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070130100326.01fc6a58 [at] interstellar.com> If you ever wondered if computers really were faster than humans: [from NASA Tech Briefs, FLASH required to watch video] >Watch Mr. Norio Torimoto Challenge SolidWorks software. > >Mr. Norio Torimoto is the ninth person in the world to hold the title >of Origami Master. Watch him challenge SolidWorks software to see who >can design the best robot. > >At the Robot Challenge Web site, you can also order a free origami >robot kit with special paper and personal folding instructions from >Norio himself. > >See you there! >http://link.abpi.net/l.php?20070130A7 -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Video of the Jeep Waterfall Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:09:48 -0800 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F3409E7 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" This link got sent around the office last week - it's a pretty cool device, and I've had a chance to do a fair amount of research on it for possible projects. Following is the summary that I sent to our people in-house ("ACP" refers to a fountain job we did at the Atlantic City Pier development): Originated by a guy named Steve Pevnick at the University of Wisconsin. He's got previous work for Kohler, Glaxo and the Olympics - all pretty similar to this. The basic concept is that a number of individual, very high-speed, high precision valves act as a kind of "dot matrix" printer for the water, allowing the individual drops to be formed into the shapes (which then fall due to...well...gravity). He actually adopted dot matrix management software to create this system. You'll note that most of these are a somewhat limited height (50' is pretty much the max). As the height increases, the relative chaos within the water drops (and air currents) make the drops tend to stretch out...making the images less coherent as the drop height increases. Pesky gravity. Pesky hydrodynamics. Another functional note: you'll notice it works best against some kind of solid colored backdrop...black being the best. It also shows up best if it's lit pretty specifically. We see the same thing in our low $$ knock-off at ACP. Yep - Low $$...Steve's are not cheap (the ACP unit would have run into the $300,000 range to start, plus the plumbing costs) Steve's a fun guy (pretty much the picture of the absent minded professor). He's perfectly willing to build more of these...depending on his class schedule and how quickly he can get the parts (the valves are pretty specialized). Typically he leases the systems instead of selling them outright - although I'd bet that changes as he approaches retirement.....=20 Link to Steve's site at UVM: http://www.uwm.edu/People/pevnick/index1.html Pictures on the site: http://www.uwm.edu/People/pevnick/index1.html Video on the site: http://www.uwm.edu/People/pevnick/index1.html Web site for his company (which is really Steve, his wife, and a revolving cast of crazed grad students): http://www.pevnickdesign.com/index1.html =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:12:18 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? In-Reply-To: References:

Works for me. On 1/30/07, Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list > reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say > Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? > > -Delbert > > -- > Delbert L. Hall > ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre > 423-773-4255 > -- Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Coordinator The Dallas Opera 972-333-5016 LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:09:37 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <7210245700.20070130130937 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Oldest tool In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Tuesday, January 30, 2007, Kristi wrote: > I have several hand tools that used to belong to my grandfather Hey! I thought the basic parameter was tools we have had for a long time but which we were the original purchasers! If we can discuss inherited tools I've got a roomful. My father's coin-silver plated wire cutters from 1943 come to mind.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty, and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.85.03 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130105257.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:52:57 From: CB Subject: Dead Languages 101 (was: Re: electricity to revolving stage) >Does the Catholic Church count? I'm tempted to say, "No, not ever", but the polite side of me makes me ask, "Count towards what?". As far as keeping Latin alive as a language, no, for two reasons. Reason the first: They really don't do that anymore, really, on a widescale basis. There are far fewer Latin speaking priests than there are Latin speaking Latin scholars. Second reason: 'Catholics' aren't a people, they're a religion, and Latin isn't their native tongue anyways. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: ETC RFU-2 Update Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <53B65527B806BC479755676CEB4C4BDB472D23 [at] shu.blair.edu> From: "Wayne Rasmussen" I received a very kind email from David Fox at ETC regarding the problems we have had with our RFU. With his advice, I was able to fix the unit on my own. The problem was related to the lack of a ground, as the shield of the cable on the RFU end had separated from the ground wire that is attached to the chassis of the RFU itself. The loss of connection occurred under the strain relief as the cable exited the RFU. Thank you for the advice you were willing to give, and special thanks to David and ETC for a quick resolution without having to send the board out or looking at a cheaper, and less capable, substitute. Wayne Rasmussen Blair Academy=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:20:42 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070130101902.01fdc3c8 [at] interstellar.com> References:

At 06:17 AM 1/30/2007, Delbert Hall wrote: >DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and >Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my >new monitor have a DVI input. You may find that your video card will work as a dual-head system using both outputs at the same time. My wife's CAD system has two monitors, one DVI, one VGA. Works fine, even with the monitors different sizes. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:22:46 EST Subject: Re: Re[2]: Oldest tool _Lamplighter [at] tcon.net_ (mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net) writes: << Hey! I thought the basic parameter was tools we have had for a long time but which we were the original purchasers! >> Oh! Sorry! OK I have the pocket knife I bought to go to 4H camp when I was 9. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:26:01 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Fred and I will be out of the loop earlier in the evening but we should be back by 10. Or paul, will you be attending usitt as well? Bring buttons and maybe we just sally forth at the hotel watering hole? Barring that, fred and I will be around the stage research booth, the limelight booth, and (I think) the BMI booth. shelley On 1/30/07 1:12 PM, "Laura McMeley" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Works for me. > > On 1/30/07, Delbert Hall wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list >> reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say >> Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? >> >> -Delbert >> >> -- >> Delbert L. Hall >> ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre >> 423-773-4255 >> > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130110453.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:04:53 From: CB Subject: Mac computer question >Our new director is a Mac user and insists the system must be able to >handle a Mac computer with out the user having to bring an adapter. While I do applaud Mac for being a better computer, I must say that they are swimming upstream with this one. Yes, the DVI connector will be the most prevalent connector in a dacade, but today its VGA. I'd have the VGA port put in, and chain the adaptor to the wall plate, with the suggestion that the user bring their own and, "This one is here for emergencies". In six or eight years, you're probably gonna want to reverse the process, and install DVI connectors and have the VGA to DVI adaptor hanging on a chain. > I am assuming this do to cable length runs and lack of real >switching options This also pre-supposes that you won't have access to switching inputs. If you *do* have access to input switching, make one DVI and the other VGA, and put both on the wall. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130110733.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:07:33 From: CB Subject: Re: Pre-show announcement... have I missed anything? >None are capable or well suited for confrontations with Cell phone >users and other violators. Which, is, I think, the point that I was making. What are their duties in, say, a fire? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130111110.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:11:10 From: CB Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? >why they missed that one I'll never know. District >Operations sees installing one here as a rather extraneous and expensive >'luxury.' I keep wondering why those of us who work in a medium that's entire purpose is to teach via theatre doesn't utilize the art far more frequently. You're a technician, build some hideous Rube Goldberg contraption and bolt it through the damn door! Put a big sign on it that makes it clear that it's vitaly important that this door be locked in teh open position during shows because of all the audience complaints, or actor complaints, make something up that they can't easily check. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:48:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Swag at USITT From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Noah, will you be at USITT? On 1/29/07 11:55 PM, "Randy Levine" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey All, > > This offer goes out to anyone that needs it. Just give me a call and > let me know that it's inbound. > > Randy > 602-254-7399 ex 109 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noah Price [mailto:stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:06 PM > To: Randy Levine > Subject: Re: Swag at USITT > > > On Jan 25, 2007, at 9:37 PM, Randy Levine wrote: > > >> Hey Noah, >> >> You can use my address to ship stuff to: >> >> Herberger Theater Center >> Attn: Randy Levine >> 222 E. Monroe >> Phoenix Az, 85004 >> >> We're right across the street from the convention center and I'll >> be happy to run stuff from here to there if that will help. >> >> Randy >> > > That's great Randy, thanks! I was assuming I'd need to carefully time > a shipment to somebody's hotel room, but shipping to you will be > simpler. > > Noah > -- Steve Shelley (212) 865-2969 home (917) 334-7625 cell (212) 749-9117 fax MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ From: "Michael Brubaker" Subject: RE: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:54:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Frank, allow me to dream that Indiana isn't as flat as it is. I spent 18 years in hillier (is that a word?) terrain before moving here. Mike Brubaker Head of Design Associated Controls + Design 6850 N Guion Rd Indianapolis, IN 46268 T: 800.382.3961 x117 -----Original Message----- Frank E. Merrill wrote: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:55 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re[2]: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy > if you look at the pictures, you'll note that it isn't a flat place. > You can clearly see the curve! Um...I think the curvature is artificially inserted into the picture by the focal length of the lens.... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: USITT List Get Together? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:54:45 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074505A5 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Or paul, will you be attending usitt as well? Bring buttons=20 > and maybe we just sally forth at the hotel watering hole? Won't make it there this time around... :( I'll see what I've got left over for buttons after SETC and try to swing some out your way though for the shindig. ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1120 ******************************