Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41847154; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:59:20 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41846824; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:58:58 -0800 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_VALIUM,SARE_BAYES_5x8,SARE_BAYES_6x8,SARE_BAYES_7x8, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1121 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:57:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1121 1. Re: Movies & PA by CB 2. Re: reparing Altman ground cyc by Ian Schmidt 3. Re: how old by 4. Re: USITT List Get Together? by CB 5. Re: how old by "Paul Schreiner" 6. Re: how old?? by 7. Re: LED flicker candles for candelabra base by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 8. Re: reparing Altman ground cyc by "Paul Marsland" 9. Re: how old?? by Jerry Durand 10. Re: Oldest Tool by "Jim Pritchard" 11. Grain of wheat lamps Redux by Herrick Goldman 12. Crash Bar locks (was: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything?) by CB 13. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 14. Re: Mac computer question by CB 15. Re: All the Montclair students by CB 16. Re: Powered Speakers by megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) 17. Re: Music Man Video by Stephen Litterst 18. Re: Powered Speakers by Stephen Litterst 19. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stephen Litterst 20. Announcing the new arrival by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 21. Re: ETC RFU-2 Update by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: Announcing the new arrival by Stephen Litterst 23. Re: Announcing the new arrival by MissWisc [at] aol.com 24. Re: Announcing the new arrival by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: Announcing the new arrival by Bill Sapsis 26. Re: Announcing the new arrival by "Delbert Hall" 27. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stephen Rees 28. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Stephen Rees 29. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 30. Re: Re[2]: Oldest tool by "Jason Salvatori" 31. Re: Announcing the new arrival by "Ken Romaine" 32. Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux by Stephen Rees 33. Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux by Clive Mitchell 34. Today's coolest new thing by "Paul Marsland" 35. Gmail by "Paul Marsland" 36. Re: Gmail by Kyler Glaze 37. Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? by Stephen Litterst 38. Re: Gmail by "Tim Catlett" 39. Re: panic bars by Stuart Wheaton 40. Re: Gmail by "Paul Marsland" 41. Re: Gmail by "Delbert Hall" 42. Re: Today's coolest new thing by Risa Strobel 43. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Jason Salvatori" 44. Re: how old by "Matt Gard" 45. Re: All the Montclair students by Josh Ratty 46. Re: Announcing the new arrival by SS 47. Re: Lighting glass panels by 48. Re: Gmail by SS 49. Re: Powered Speakers by 50. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Paul Schreiner" 51. Re: Today's coolest new thing by "Ken Romaine" 52. Re: USITT List Get Together? by Chip Wood 53. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Delbert Hall" 54. Acceptable truss deflection? by Michael Heinicke 55. Re: panic bars by Stuart Wheaton 56. panic bars by "Bill Conner" 57. Re: Announcing the new arrival by Chip Wood 58. Re: Mac computer question by "C. Dopher" 59. Re: panic bars by "David B. Nelson" 60. Re: Acceptable truss deflection? by "Matthew Breton" 61. Re: *JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? by "C. Dopher" 62. Re: Music Man Video by "Alf Sauve" 63. 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Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130113114.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:31:14 From: CB Subject: Re: Movies & PA >I cannot think of a single circumstance IN LIVE SOUND REINFORCEMENT, >PARTICULARLY INVOLVING PATCHING OF MIC LEVEL SIGNALS where a phone >connector would be better than an XLR. Andy, I think we may have some distintions that need to be made. We might be talking about quite different things, here. 'Better' has it's interpretations. 1/4" is easier and cheaper, and is remarkably reliable. It pretty much was the basis for our national and international communications for decades, including the military. We've taken most of what audio we know from the telephone industry, and I'm not sure what's 'better' about XLR in a routing patch bay, other than they lock and they don't need as much maintenance. Locking isn't always handy, and the downside of not needing as much maintenance is that they don't get it, and therefore need to be considered disposable. >I can't remember the last time I've seen a 1/4" patch bay in a theatre >sound reinforcement system. I've seen XLR patchbays in lots of theatres >all over the country. I think we may be coming to a difference in terminology, here. The term 'pathchbay' is being used for both the panel on the upstage wall of the pro where mics and amps get plugged; as well the input/output - normaled/half-normaled, etc. routing patchfield in the booth. XLR for the former, without question or argument, but definitely 1/4" for the latter (routing) *because* of the ability to normal-through (pull all the patch cables and the sytem defaults to 'normal'), half-normal, etc. I can get to five theatres, six television stations and three upscale recording studios studios in under a half-hour that all use the 1/4" patch cables for routing. I don't know of any that use an XLR bay in that configuration. All of the above mentioned venues *do* use XLR to patch inputs and outputs in their studios or proscenium spaces. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:55:41 -0500 From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: reparing Altman ground cyc In-reply-to: Message-id: <45BF94AD.5080105 [at] gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University References: Having these lights myself and having replaced a number of sockets in my short time in this business, I'd clean the gutter up but not replace it unless it was really bad. Haven't seen can't tell you exactly what I would do. I would use a wire nut and then the fiberglass e-tape around that since it's a high heat area. kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Yesterday after I rehung my "rep" plot I discovered > that one of my cyc lights was not working. After the > normal cross plugging, relamping, checking the circuit > breaker, the wiring in the plug, and the socket I > pulled the unit off the electric and opened up the > back. What I found kind of surprised me. One the the > leads to the 3rd cell melted and arced on the gutter, > burn marks can be seen all over the gutter. Also on > the other side the plastic ring around the hole for AC > in has melted. My questions are 1. should I replace > the gutter and 2. when I replace the now bad socket is > glass cloth electrical tape > (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611736434) > the correct thing to use to cover the splices? I > think this is what is on them now. > > Thanks in advance > > > > > Ken Zinkl > Auditorium Manager > Fort Zumwalt South High School > 636-281-0732 > > -- Ian Schmidt Master Electrician Center for the Arts George Mason University office 703-993-8895 fax 703-993-4092 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: how old Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:59:06 +0000 Message-Id: <20070130185906.KJIQ26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Matt Gard" > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 04:12:50 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: how old > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm one of the young uns, just 00011010, or 1B, but who am I? > > > 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 01110010 01100100 > A twerp. I am one of the old ones. I can translate binary, hex, and even octal as well as any one else. But I see no need to bother myself. If and when you have something useful and relevant to post, I shall be glad to hear from you. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130113824.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:38:24 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? > I haven't been to one of these in a few years, so I'm >probably not the best one to organize anything. Oh, it's easy! You just find a place with a sealed concrete floor and romove all the breakables, fill it with decent cold beer (No Bud, No MGD) great coffee (No Starbucks) good scotch (preferably old enough to vote), and some dry, stale chips and bad dip, and VIOLA! Stagecraft party! I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing, but I'm gonna try to get a room up in PHX for a night or two. As soon as I know what's what, I'm on board. Anyone coming through Tucson? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: how old Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:08:24 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074505C1 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > A twerp.=20 >=20 > If and when you have something useful and relevant to post, I=20 > shall be glad to hear from you. Wow. Somebody found something stinky in his oatmeal this morning... Y'know, Frank, there's a whole lotta people on this list who are wishing you'd take your own advice in that last sentence. Lighten up. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: how old?? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:19:11 +0000 Message-Id: <20070130191911.UZIR17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Michael de Almeida > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 04:49:59 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" I despair. I really do. Translating binary to decimal involves doind no more than doing the sum: bi*2^0 = bi*2*1 + bi2*2^2 - - - bi(n)*2*2^( n-1). That is all. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:17:21 -0500 Subject: Re: LED flicker candles for candelabra base From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Have you tried Lowe's. I think that's where I got some. steve > From: "Scott Parker" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:32:51 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Cc: hstech [at] googlegroups.com (hstech group) > Subject: LED flicker candles for candelabra base > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > hello everyone, > I am looking to put "candles" into a hanging chandelier that has > candelabra base sockets. Most of the LED -based Flicker candles that > I've found are battery-operated. This doesn't work as I'd like to run > these through the lighting board. > > Does anyone have a source for a screw in candelabra base 110 V Flicker candle? > > -- > Thanks and take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:20:47 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Re: reparing Altman ground cyc In-Reply-To: References:

If/when you use a wire nut, use a ceramic one (used to get them from Altman, but probably available other places). If just that cel looks suspect, perhaps it was roasted by some other unit in the vicinity. The melted plastic strain relief on the AC in leads me to think that. A call to Altman service or even the rental shop might be a good time investment. Paul On 1/30/07, Ian Schmidt wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Having these lights myself and having replaced a number of sockets in my > short time in this business, I'd clean the gutter up but not replace it > unless it was really bad. Haven't seen can't tell you exactly what I > would do. I would use a wire nut and then the fiberglass e-tape around > that since it's a high heat area. > > > kzinkl [at] sbcglobal.net wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Yesterday after I rehung my "rep" plot I discovered > > that one of my cyc lights was not working. After the > > normal cross plugging, relamping, checking the circuit > > breaker, the wiring in the plug, and the socket I > > pulled the unit off the electric and opened up the > > back. What I found kind of surprised me. One the the > > leads to the 3rd cell melted and arced on the gutter, > > burn marks can be seen all over the gutter. Also on > > the other side the plastic ring around the hole for AC > > in has melted. My questions are 1. should I replace > > the gutter and 2. when I replace the now bad socket is > > glass cloth electrical tape > > (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611736434) > > the correct thing to use to cover the splices? I > > think this is what is on them now. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > Ken Zinkl > > Auditorium Manager > > Fort Zumwalt South High School > > 636-281-0732 > > > > > > > -- > Ian Schmidt > Master Electrician > Center for the Arts > George Mason University > office 703-993-8895 > fax 703-993-4092 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:28:06 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: how old?? In-reply-to: Message-id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070130112157.01fc7468 [at] interstellar.com> References: At 11:19 AM 1/30/2007, frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: >I despair. I really do. Translating binary to decimal involves doind >no more than doing the sum: bi*2^0 = bi*2*1 + bi2*2^2 - - - >bi(n)*2*2^( n-1). That is all. Aside from us just having fun (and keeping up on codes that let us write passwords down in plain sight)... Frank, I know this is a bit modern for you, but in the world of 32 and 64 bit busses, there's additional problems (I have the headache remedy bill to prove it). What I ran into is how do you handle endien (bit, byte, and word) when interfacing two different busses (in my case, Intel PCI-32 to Power PC-64). There are so many ways things can be reversed it could almost drive me sane! Simple Binary? Phbbbt! -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ From: "Jim Pritchard" Subject: Re: Oldest Tool Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:36:31 -0500 Organization: Jim and Dave Productions Message-ID: <001201c744a5$f4035460$6501a8c0 [at] Pokey> Steve Rees wrote: >I've got a set of 1/2" drive sockets that I bought in 1966. >Steve R. And I thought you were going to claim Tom Castellana as your oldest tool!! Jim and Dave Productions Jim Pritchard (716) 465-3784 jimdaveprod [at] gmail.com See our work at the Cabaret in the Square, home of O'Connell and Company. Visit www.oconnellandcompany.com for tickets. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:52:53 -0500 Subject: Grain of wheat lamps Redux From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Hey I recall a "grain of Wheat" lamp thread. Did anyone ever find a Web or string of these babies? No I don't have the time to make one myself. :) -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130123331.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:33:31 From: CB Subject: Crash Bar locks (was: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything?) > Dogging it down is pretty much the only way to hold one >down. I've seen your posts, Jon, and you can't try to convince me that you lack imagination. methinks you simply lack enthusiasm. Make it a design project. Use medieval weapon design or something. I could design something that'd work using a platform brake... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130124252.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:42:52 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >Haven't run across any ground loops yet. The building has separate >outlets for sound use, all connected to an isolated ground. Like I said, find out who's responsible, and send the card and flowers... er... chocolates. Whatever. >Not to mention that the sound outlets all shut down in the event of a >fire alarm. OOooohh! Whait jussa minit. So, any announcement of what the heck has gone wrong is immediately terminated automatically? What is this, the sound equivalent of peril sensitive sunglasses? See if you can get that part fixed... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130124448.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:44:48 From: CB Subject: Re: Mac computer question >Your supervisor as a mac user is tired of the frustration he has faced (as >have most of us mac users) and decided to make frustrations go away. The phrae, "It is simpler to put on slippers than to carpet the world" may come in handy over the next few days... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070130125320.00c96408 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:53:20 From: CB Subject: RE: All the Montclair students >> Of course, I can't think of the last time I saw a circus. > >The presidential primaries are almost upon us. There was snow on the roads in Tucson last week, does that count? I always refer to it as the 'clown show', but 'circus' would do. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: megironda [at] att.net (Gerry G.) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:32:16 +0000 Message-Id: <013020072032.29796.45BFAB4F000F00950000746421604666480E0B02019D07090A03 [at] att.net> No that's the way it sposed to work, new code at least in NJ. Turn the sound system off so you can hear the fire alarms.. I don't understand it I just have to do what the Fire Marshall tells me... Gerry G. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: CB > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Haven't run across any ground loops yet. The building has separate > >outlets for sound use, all connected to an isolated ground. > > Like I said, find out who's responsible, and send the card and flowers... > er... chocolates. Whatever. > > >Not to mention that the sound outlets all shut down in the event of a > >fire alarm. > > OOooohh! Whait jussa minit. So, any announcement of what the heck has > gone wrong is immediately terminated automatically? What is this, the > sound equivalent of peril sensitive sunglasses? See if you can get that > part fixed... > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFAC0C.5070702 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:35:24 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Music Man Video References: In-Reply-To: Alf Sauve wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Don't want to re-invent the wheel. Middle High is staging Music Man > (Jr) in two months. Director want to use the projector screens for > some added eye candy. Specifically he wants the screen to show the > passing scenery for the opening "train" scene. > > I've found some scenery shots (Free Stock Footage) out windows that I > can use, BUT...... > > Anybody done this already? Anybody have a source for "looking out > train window" of Midwest (Iowa) scenery? Contact the nice folks at Ithaca College. For their production of Violet last year there were several projections of passing scenery. It's not really Iowa, but you don't notice that unless you look closely (a palm tree or two pass by). But it's often just as simple to go out and film it yourself. Surely there are some parts of Marietta that are flat and featureless? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFACC1.9080900 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:38:25 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Powered Speakers References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >>Not to mention that the sound outlets all shut down in the event of a >>fire alarm. > > > OOooohh! Whait jussa minit. So, any announcement of what the heck has > gone wrong is immediately terminated automatically? What is this, the > sound equivalent of peril sensitive sunglasses? See if you can get that > part fixed... Noway, man. The building fire alarm system uses verbal instructions. The sound system(s) shut down so that the fire alarm can be heard and patrons can follow the instructions. It's soooo much nicer than the klaxons or buzzers that I've run into elsewhere. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFAD1F.4090608 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:39:59 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References:

In-Reply-To: Adriane Bennett wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know this is a little "ghetto", but cheap and easy (much like I like > my men, but that's another diatribe). > > We have similar crash bars on our upstage walls that lead to greenroom > and dressing rooms that make a horrendous noise during shows that we > cannot lock the crash bars down. We just take a couple layers of gaff > tape and tape the latch down so it's flush with the rest of the unit and > doesn't catch when closed. It'll last a couple weeks which is about how > long we need it for a run, and then we take the tape off later. This > probably negates those fire codes, but like I said, it's a little > "ghetto". Ah, following in the fine tradition that dates to The Whitehouse Plumbers from 1972. A practice now known in many areas as "Watergating." Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:42:00 -0500 Subject: Announcing the new arrival From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <808ABF84-5DF9-429A-AFB9-E5BAF140DF13 [at] appstate.edu> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> This is to announce the arrival of Logan Wayne Pfeifer. He got here >> 12/5/06. All 6 lbs. 9 ozs. Of him. He was a month early but he is >> just >> fine. He was 19 1/2 " tall. >> >> I am just getting back to work, and my computer so sorry about the >> delay in >> the announcement. >> >> You can check out how cute he is at the following. >> www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp? >> URLID=5Z6I7W8N2O >> -- >> >> >> Take care, >> >> Merel Ray-Pfeifer >> >> > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFADB1.4040307 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:42:25 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: ETC RFU-2 Update References: In-Reply-To: Wayne Rasmussen wrote: --------------------------------------------------- > Thank you for the advice you were willing to give, and special thanks to > David and ETC for a quick resolution without having to send the board > out or looking at a cheaper, and less capable, substitute. One of my few regrets in moving to an all-Strand facility is that I don't have a need to call David Fox on a regular basis anymore. Not only would he solve my problems, I'd usually learn some nifty backdoor tricks and secrets on my system. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFAF10.9080203 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:48:16 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival References: In-Reply-To: Ray-Pfeifer, Merel wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >>>Hello Everyone, >>> >>>This is to announce the arrival of Logan Wayne Pfeifer. He got here >>>12/5/06. All 6 lbs. 9 ozs. Of him. He was a month early but he is >>>just >>>fine. He was 19 1/2 " tall. Congrats! I thought it had been a while since we had a Stagecraft Baby Announcement. Is it true that the first 6 weeks are the hardest? Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:50:08 EST Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival That's a BIG baby to be a month early, you must have been eating your Wheaties. Glad you both are fine! Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Announcing the new arrival Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0745069F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Is it true that the first 6 weeks are the hardest? So far with me, the first five years have been the hardest... Congrats on the newbie! How long til he's working the flyrail? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:02:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Congrats Merel! Glad to hear everyone is doing well. Bill ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre ETCP Council Member www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 267.278.4561 mobile On 1/30/07 3:42 PM, "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> This is to announce the arrival of Logan Wayne Pfeifer. He got here >>> 12/5/06. All 6 lbs. 9 ozs. Of him. He was a month early but he is >>> just >>> fine. He was 19 1/2 " tall. >>> >>> I am just getting back to work, and my computer so sorry about the >>> delay in >>> the announcement. >>> >>> You can check out how cute he is at the following. >>> www.growingfamily.com/webnursery/babypage_view.asp? >>> URLID=5Z6I7W8N2O >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Merel Ray-Pfeifer >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:05:58 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival In-Reply-To: References: <808ABF84-5DF9-429A-AFB9-E5BAF140DF13 [at] appstate.edu> Congratulation Merel!!! -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:27:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Could be a tricky way to get a backstage tour of sorts though. ;) Steve R. On 1/30/07 11:13 AM, "richard j. archer" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Any of you who might have seen Ka at the MGM Grand know that there > they accost the (planted) offender, throw his cell phone over the pit > rail into the "abyss" > and eventually throw the offender in after the phone. > > Dick A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Works for me. Steve R. On 1/30/07 12:42 PM, "Delbert Hall" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list > reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say > Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? > > -Delbert ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:53:23 GMT Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? Message-Id: <20070130.135329.15735.1107066 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Don't forget the 'dogs' that we put in the floor tracks to move = scenery. /s/ Richard -------- I'll give this one a go... A "dog" is a gadget that is used to hold something tightly to something else. So, to dog something is to hold it in place. Holddown dogs are used to clamp something to a workbench. Nautically speaking, a "dog: is used to hold fast hatches and covers. Bill Potter ____________________________ Dogging it down is pretty much the only way to hold one down. > Ok, now that you've mentioned it -- > Why is it referred to as "Dogging?" I'm used to the term, but = several of the staff in my new facility think it's the funniest term = they've ever heard and continually ask me where the term comes from. > Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780701301356m17fc60c3s968017f2b758d1b5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:05 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Oldest tool In-Reply-To: References: If we're talking inherited tools, I've got a moulding plane that was my grandfathers (and someone else's before that) from the 1880's... Jason On 1/30/07, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > _Lamplighter [at] tcon.net_ (mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net) writes: > << Hey! I thought the basic parameter was tools we have had for a long > time but which we were the original purchasers! >> ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:28 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival In-Reply-To: References: <808ABF84-5DF9-429A-AFB9-E5BAF140DF13 [at] appstate.edu> Congratulations, Merel! Welcome, Logan! -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/30/07, Ray-Pfeifer, Merel wrote: > >> > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> This is to announce the arrival of Logan Wayne Pfeifer. He got here > >> 12/5/06. All 6 lbs. 9 ozs. Of him. He was a month early but he is > >> just > >> fine. He was 19 1/2 " tall. > >> > >> I am just getting back to work, and my computer so sorry about the > >> delay in > >> the announcement. > >> > >> Take care, > >> > >> Merel Ray-Pfeifer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:00:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: H, In my hunt - long ago, I only came up with individual lamps, not ready-made strings. Steve R. On 1/30/07 2:52 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey I recall a "grain of Wheat" lamp thread. > > Did anyone ever find a Web or string of these babies? > > No I don't have the time to make one myself. :) > > -H > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:00:28 +0000 From: Clive Mitchell Subject: Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux References: In-Reply-To: In message , Herrick Goldman writes >Hey I recall a "grain of Wheat" lamp thread. > >Did anyone ever find a Web or string of these babies? > >No I don't have the time to make one myself. :) Also called "rice lights" by the Chinese. Maybe try ebay? -- Clive Mitchell http://www.bigclive.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:03:18 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Today's coolest new thing Coolest thing I've seen in a while, courtesy of the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels tour (and supplied by PRG); cables the size and look of a standard 6-circuit multi, that include two universes of DMX and ethernet. cables originate at custom rack modules in dimmer land. the modules are in the three-space high and have breakers for moving light power and ports for data inputs. plus a lot of menu-driven, info button, LCD screen, set-up stuff. they terminate on truss and tower sections in a twist lock / DMX x2 / net breakout box. wow Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:06:32 -0500 From: "Paul Marsland" Subject: Gmail So, why is it I get double my messaging power when I hit send from gmail? Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFC256.5040707 [at] kylerglaze.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:10:30 -0600 From: Kyler Glaze Subject: Re: Gmail References: In-Reply-To: Paul Marsland wrote: > So, why is it I get double my messaging power when I hit send from gmail? The way gmail groups together your sent and received messages into conversations means you have one copy of your sent message, and one copy of the message as received by the list in the conversation. -- Kyler Glaze kyler [at] kylerglaze.com Treasurer/Webmaster USITT [at] UTA http://www.usittuta.org/ Webmaster UTA Dept. of Theatre Arts http://www.uta.edu/theatre/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFC28C.6030602 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:11:24 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Pre-Show Announcement Have I missed anything? References: In-Reply-To: ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Don't forget the 'dogs' that we put in the floor tracks to move > scenery. But Bill Potter said: > Holddown dogs are used to clamp something to a workbench. > Nautically speaking, a "dog: is used to hold fast hatches and covers. So a dog is something that is used to hold something in place or move it? Thanks, it's soooo much clearer to me now. :) Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:11:47 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References: It is probably an illusion. GMail includes your message in the current conversation and then records it again through Stagecraft. That is why you'll see one in the "quoted message" color and one that looks like normal mailing list format. AFAIK that is. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 1/30/07, Paul Marsland wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So, why is it I get double my messaging power when I hit send from gmail? > > Paul > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFC63E.1020500 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:27:10 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: panic bars References:

Thanks for the tip(s) -- now I can rest that the bandwidth police won't come after me. Paul On 1/30/07, Tim Catlett wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It is probably an illusion. GMail includes your message in the current > conversation and then records it again through Stagecraft. That is why > you'll see one in the "quoted message" color and one that looks like > normal mailing list format. AFAIK that is. > > -- > Tim Catlett > Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama > Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare > Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary > Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) > Cell: 414.975.4424 > EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com > > > On 1/30/07, Paul Marsland wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > So, why is it I get double my messaging power when I hit send from gmail? > > > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:24:31 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References:

> Thanks for the tip(s) -- now I can rest that the bandwidth police > won't come after me. You are fine, at least in respect to the bandwidth police. It confused me at first too, so don't feel bad about asking. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Risa Strobel Subject: Re: Today's coolest new thing Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:27:18 -0800 Did you get any sort of impression as to it's durability? You can run regular multi over with a forklift or a scissor lift with no effect. (Well, unless you get the connectors. I spent a good 10 minutes once trying to unscrew multi connectors that got smushed. They were just barely out of true, but enough so that disconnecting them was impossible.) I'd be concerned about the DMX and e-net getting crushed with the rough handling that I've seen multi get. Risa On Jan 30, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Paul Marsland wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Coolest thing I've seen in a while, courtesy of the Dirty Rotten > Scoundrels tour (and supplied by PRG); > > cables the size and look of a standard 6-circuit multi, that include > two universes of DMX and ethernet. > > cables originate at custom rack modules in dimmer land. the modules > are in the three-space high and have breakers for moving light power > and ports for data inputs. plus a lot of menu-driven, info button, > LCD screen, set-up stuff. > > they terminate on truss and tower sections in a twist lock / DMX x2 / > net breakout box. > > wow > > Paul > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780701301427j229db2e7l6733d7e3ca1871d9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:27:38 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

To go back to dealing with manila splinters... Out of all this thread, I've noticed no one mentioned wearing gloves as part of flying. I was taught you should never fly without gloves... Is this a popular opinion, or just the advice of a few people I learned from? Jason Salvatori Vaughan City Playhouse ------------------------------ Subject: RE: how old Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" I'm just gonna take it as flattery that you deemed it neccesary to reply = at all. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:59 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: how old For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > From: "Matt Gard" > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 04:12:50 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: how old >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I'm one of the young uns, just 00011010, or 1B, but who am I? >=20 >=20 > 01001101 01100001 01110100 01110100 00100000 01000111 01100001 = 01110010 01100100 >=20 A twerp. I am one of the old ones. I can translate binary, hex, and even = octal as well as any one else. But I see no need to bother myself. If and when you have something useful and relevant to post, I shall be = glad to hear from you. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software=20 Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:55:40 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: All the Montclair students In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <006501c744c1$c39c5d50$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> The first two Broadway shows I ever saw, I entered through the stage door and hung around back stage, had to search out a playbill the first time. To add to the madness both were also opening nights. Talk about ruining the magic! Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com I find it highly ironic that I was backstage at a Broadway theatre (got a tour from a friend who was working on "Wedding Singer") before I watched the show from the house - and that both happened on the same day after 20+ years as an IA stagehand. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701301458q31d81187maccd240003688a53 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:58:52 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival In-Reply-To: References: <808ABF84-5DF9-429A-AFB9-E5BAF140DF13 [at] appstate.edu> >>>> This is to announce the arrival of Logan Wayne Pfeifer. He got here 12/5/06. All 6 lbs. 9 ozs. Of him. He was a month early but he is just fine. He was 19 1/2 " tall.<<<< Congrats!!!!! -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Lighting glass panels Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:02:30 +0000 Message-Id: <20070130230230.ZHTM17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Steven Haworth" > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 10:22:25 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Lighting glass panels > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Is there a fixture that would mount to the edge of the glass and using > >the principles of total internal reflection (I'm reaching back > >to school days for that one), manage to carry the light through the > piece? > > That was my first thought - perhaps a T5 fluorscent or neon, or perhaps > an LED strip, around the edges. > > I assume you've already tried backlighting it? There is a trick you might try. Back the piece with an inclined board, painted matt white, and light that from below. I have done this, and it has worked. > > > - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) > --------------------------- > http://www.stagelights.info > > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0701301507w49d9a3c1j6a98cf1d230e3b84 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:07:09 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Gmail In-Reply-To: References: > So, why is it I get double my messaging power when I hit send from gmail?< Funny, I answered that same question for somebody on this list the other day. I don't recall who though. Anywho, yeah, what everybody else said. One "sent", one "inbox (stagecraft list)". It's a Gmail conversation grouping thang. Confused me the first time too! Your mind can rest in ease my friend, it ain't you! :) :) -SS TTS-EKU "The key to Foreign Policy is to rely on reliance" -George W. Bush ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Powered Speakers Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:41:15 +0000 Message-Id: <20070130234116.EKSR219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/01/29 Mon PM 05:30:59 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Powered Speakers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >Some of the advantages: higher efficiency, manufacturer-matched amps/ > >speakers, no appreciable line loss, portability, ease of setup. You just pushed a button, there.In my book, all suitably rated amplifiers will drive all suitably rated speakers. I know that this is not true. For example, Bose speakers are unhappy unless driven by Bose amplifiers. Unless for a special purpose, my designs are universal. I once, as a design exercise, invented a speaker with a response down to 20 Hz, with the full scale drawings on an A4 sheet of paper. It needed a special amplifier but I think it would gave worked. > > It's the same argument I had in the seventies over console stereos and > component stereos. With the console, it was all easy and didn't require > you to really know anything about stereos to make your albums sound good. > They were limited in their diversity and expandability, but they did the > job. One part broke, and you were without stereo till it came back. > Component parts meant that you could get whatever suited your fancy and > stack the best of the best one atop another till your neighbors complained, > and you got a lot better sound, it just cost a bit more and required you to > know what was what to get your albums to sound great. > Fast, good, cheap. Pick one, hope for two. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:49:42 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References: > OK. send me about 3' It's on its way, btw. As of last week. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:05:34 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Today's coolest new thing In-Reply-To: References: This is their Series 400(TM) power & data distribution system. Before VLPS was purchased by PRG in 2004, the VLPS R&D folk were working on this. PRG continued the project, and they introduced it around 6-12 months ago. See here: http://www.prg.com/products/s400 It was developed, and intended, to be a boon to touring folk. There was much R&D that went into this, including a ton of work on the cables. Let's face it, if the cable isn't any good, then it doesn't go out of the shop and the whole system sits and gathers dust. The little I've heard from users has been positive. I'd be interested in hearing from more users. Is there anybody out there? (P. Floyd) -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/30/07, Paul Marsland wrote: > > Coolest thing I've seen in a while, courtesy of the Dirty Rotten > Scoundrels tour (and supplied by PRG); > > cables the size and look of a standard 6-circuit multi, that include > two universes of DMX and ethernet. > > cables originate at custom rack modules in dimmer land. the modules > are in the three-space high and have breakers for moving light power > and ports for data inputs. plus a lot of menu-driven, info button, > LCD screen, set-up stuff. > > they terminate on truss and tower sections in a twist lock / DMX x2 / > net breakout box. > > wow > > Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFDD98.7010300 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:06:48 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? References:

In-Reply-To: Delbert Hall wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Unless someone has a suite and whats to host a Stagecraft list > reception, I can ask the Instutute for a meeting room on ... say > Friday night? 10:00 OK with everyone, if we can get it? > > -Delbert > I will repeat my offer of my house, pool, and pool table. It is in the suburbs, but easy to get to in 20 min. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:13:34 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

> To go back to dealing with manila splinters... > Out of all this thread, I've noticed no one mentioned wearing gloves > as part of flying. I was taught you should never fly without > gloves... Is this a popular opinion, or just the advice of a few > people I learned from? > Jason Salvatori > Vaughan City Playhouse I think the answer has a lot to do with the kind of the rope you are using (and maybe your age). Back in the early 90's I know that Peter Foy, who used manila rope for his lift lines, (no idea if they still do) would tell people to never wear gloves when operating a flying system. ZFX, who uses double-braided polyester ropes, highly recommends gloves to prevent the rope from burning your hands. For Multiline II, I can go either way, but usually I do not use gloves unless I need to have a lot of rope sliding through my hands (which you do for certain flying effects). -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Acceptable truss deflection? Message-ID: <234643.94480.qm [at] web82202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can anyone tell me what an acceptable amount of truss deflection is under a load? The situation: we have 12"x18" box truss with the 12" distance vertically and a rating of 800lbs UDL across 40'. With approximately 450lbs of cyc lights across that 40', the deflection is 1-5/8" at the center. I don't have my reference books here, but I remember steel and wood beams often use a deflection of L/240 which would give me a 2" acceptable deflection. Does this hold true with aluminum truss also? I know this is within the 800lbs rating, but the deflection is somewhat alarming to see. Since I my references are all at home at the moment, can someone help me out? Thanks, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFC63E.1020500 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:27:10 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: panic bars References:

In-Reply-To: David B. Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bruce Purdy writes... > >> Thank you Bill, for the clarification on the fire door issue. One >> thing stands out to me though. As you point out, the pressure bows >> them inward. As emergency exits, they must open outwards. Therefore, >> latching mechanisms seem needless, as the negative pressure would >> keep them closed! > > The codes are also concerned with "back draft" events, in which a sudden > source of oxygen introduced into a room filled with super-heated smoke > causes something of an explosion, in which case outward opening doors might > blow open. Since the presumed initial pressure difference will pull the doors shut, what about a metal hook that pivots up and captures the crash bar, but has a fusible link at the point where it attaches to the door? That way the hook holds the bar down, but in the event of fire, the link melts and the door latches against any backdraft? Making it look professional enough to pass fire inspection and public contact would be the big challenge. I like this kind of thing for security too, since it would be easy to see if the lock was defeated or not at the end of the night. Another idea, A short nylon strap, secured to the door just above the bar, a removeable weight is hung from the strap (a padded, quiet weight), heavy enough to activate the bar, again with a fusible link unless the AHJ think the nylon will melt fast enough. At night, unhook the weight and set it on the floor beside the door. Maybe replace the lock-open set-screw with something with a lower melting point? Anybody have a source for Wood's metal set screws? Stuart -- Why is the probability of spiking yourself with a pin directly proportional to the lightness of the fabric you are sewing? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014a01c744cd$ba2e4f10$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:21:17 -0600 Bruce posts: "As you point out, the pressure bows them inward. As emergency exits, they must open outwards. Therefore, latching mechanisms seem needless, as the negative pressure would keep them closed!" I wish pressure differential and structure fires were so simple but it is a dynamic situation with many variables that challenge even the latest and greatest fire modeling programs. What you say might be true if the fire is high on a typical proscenium stage, which will create a substantial negative pressure at and below the proscenium opening, thus trying to close all the audience egress doors presumably. On the other hand, a fire low on a forestage or in an orchestra pit might (or studio theatre or other open form) might tend to create negative pressure below the neutral pressure plane but positive pressure higher up, holding catwalk doors, balcony doors, and so on open and pushing smoke out into other parts of the building. Now consider the wonderful lobbies (that the donors all appreciate even if your limping along on half a lighting system) that are now considered atriums and the powerful exhaust systems - which have to pull air from somewhere and all those audience doors - opened by the egressing occupants - magically stay open. Of course if there is fire on stage, here comes the smoke. There are other scenarios that will result in sometimes unpredicted results. Thank goodness that sprinklers have been so effective in reducing or preventing injuries, deaths, and property loss in theatres. (And now the complaints of water damage, which in the aggregate is so much less than the damage from fire would have been. No doubt, loudest from the other side of the pond who don't put much faith in fire sprinklers.) Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BFE275.7010501 [at] gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:27:33 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: >> Is it true that the first 6 weeks are the hardest? > > So far with me, the first five years have been the hardest... > My oldest is 36 and counting. It doesn't get easier, just different. You will be a parent all your life. Congrats. Chip ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7CD57048-CD8E-43E1-A6F4-0AA7B4143C66 [at] dopher.com> From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: Mac computer question Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:29:38 -0500 Delbert wrote: > > DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and > Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my > new monitor have a DVI input. It will tke some time for this to get > all sorted out, but I would not be surprized to soon start seeing > video projectors with DVI inputs. Done and done. The last two projectors I've used both had DVI inputs as did the 42" LCD screen I did demos on at a design firm. Ironically, we would up using two adapters, because nobody had a DVI cable. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: RE: panic bars Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <009101c744cf$146bda00$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Stuart Wheaton writes... > Making it look professional enough to pass fire inspection > and public contact would be the big challenge. Ultimately it's up to the local authority having jurisdiction for enforcing fire codes. If you are thinking of fabricating something home-brew, you'd be well advised to consult your local fire inspector, fire chief or fire marshal first. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Acceptable truss deflection? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:32:22 -0500 Much depends on the manufacture of the truss. Rigging.net has some typical acceptable deflections (rigging.net/truss.html), but I would not suggest relying on that information without understanding the entire truss system. >Can anyone tell me what an acceptable amount of truss >deflection is under a load? >The situation: we have 12"x18" box truss with the 12" >distance vertically and a rating of 800lbs UDL across >40'. With approximately 450lbs of cyc lights across >that 40', the deflection is 1-5/8" at the center. I >don't have my reference books here, but I remember >steel and wood beams often use a deflection of L/240 >which would give me a 2" acceptable deflection. Does >this hold true with aluminum truss also? I know this >is within the 800lbs rating, but the deflection is >somewhat alarming to see. Since I my references are >all at home at the moment, can someone help me out? > >Thanks, >Mike Heinicke _________________________________________________________________ Valentine�s Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: "C. Dopher" Subject: Re: *JUNK** Re: [user_group] Re: how old?? Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:34:01 -0500 Steve L wrote: > > Jim Hyslop wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> >> And then there's the blonde who got fired from the M&Ms Chocolate >> factory quality assurance, for throwing out all the Ws. > > Not only didn't they fire her, but their quality assurance is getting > worse. Along with the Ws, I keep finding 3s and Es. Those aren't Es, they're Sigmas. Your blond roots are showing. ;) Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Music Man Video Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:45:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Alf Sauve" Never been to Atlanta have you? There's hardly a flat spot unless it's been graded and paved over. Some say even our ponds and lakes have hills and valleys. Thanks for the tip on Ithaca. I'll see what I can dig up. Alf 770 971-2880 x297=20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Litterst Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Music Man Video For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Alf Sauve wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Don't want to re-invent the wheel. Middle High is staging Music Man > (Jr) in two months. Director want to use the projector screens for=20 > some added eye candy. Specifically he wants the screen to show the=20 > passing scenery for the opening "train" scene. >=20 > I've found some scenery shots (Free Stock Footage) out windows that I=20 > can use, BUT...... >=20 > Anybody done this already? Anybody have a source for "looking out=20 > train window" of Midwest (Iowa) scenery? Contact the nice folks at Ithaca College. For their production of Violet last year there were several projections of passing scenery.=20 It's not really Iowa, but you don't notice that unless you look closely (a palm tree or two pass by). But it's often just as simple to go out and film it yourself. Surely there are some parts of Marietta that are flat and featureless? Steve L. --=20 Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:49:00 GMT Subject: Re: Announcing the new arrival Message-Id: <20070130.164901.15735.1108084 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> PARENTHOOD: IT NEVER ENDS ____________________________ Paul Schreiner wrote: >> Is it true that the first 6 weeks are the hardest? > = > So far with me, the first five years have been the hardest... > = My oldest is 36 and counting. It doesn't get easier, just different. = You will be a parent all your life. Congrats. Chip ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:14:35 -0500 From: "Ken Romaine" Subject: Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

Delbert, et al: All of the Barco projectors in the Events line (ranging from 6500 to 30,000 center lumens) that are currently available have DVI input standard. They have for a while, now. As a matter of fact, DVI input is available on all of out image processing gear and all of our LED display processors, too. Usually as standard, sometimes as an input card that is purchased separately. We even make an 8x8 DVI router that has nothing but DVI connectors on it. It's become a standard. (Note that I said "a" standard, not "the" standard.) That said, they also accept VGA as well as other analog video signals, standard. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/30/07, Delbert Hall wrote: > > DVI looks like it may soom become the standard video output on PCs and > Macs. The video card on my OC has both VGA and DVI outputs, and my > new monitor have a DVI input. It will tke some time for this to get > all sorted out, but I would not be surprized to soon start seeing > video projectors with DVI inputs. > > -Delbert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:01:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9635592.1170194564512.JavaMail.root [at] m41> That's what I feared. Thanks. On 1/30/07 5:00 PM, "Stephen Rees" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > H, > In my hunt - long ago, I only came up with individual lamps, not ready-made > strings. > Steve R. > > > On 1/30/07 2:52 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hey I recall a "grain of Wheat" lamp thread. >> >> Did anyone ever find a Web or string of these babies? >> >> No I don't have the time to make one myself. :) >> >> -H >> >> > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:11:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Grain of wheat lamps Redux From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I just stumbled across strings of LED lites like xmas lites. But I didn't check for the teeney tiny. Here's a site with "LED C6 mini lights"? http://www.residential-landscape-lighting-design.com/store/PPF/parameters/16 543_0/more_info.asp Donno more. I got prices, then the project went belly up. shelley On 1/30/07 9:01 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > That's what I feared. Thanks. > > > On 1/30/07 5:00 PM, "Stephen Rees" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> H, >> In my hunt - long ago, I only came up with individual lamps, not ready-made >> strings. >> Steve R. >> >> >> On 1/30/07 2:52 PM, "Herrick Goldman" wrote: >> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Hey I recall a "grain of Wheat" lamp thread. >>> >>> Did anyone ever find a Web or string of these babies? >>> >>> No I don't have the time to make one myself. :) >>> >>> -H >>> >>> >> >> -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Catherine Brumm" References: Subject: Fire Doors .... Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:45:38 -0500 I walk through the facility I manage every night during a run and take the tape off the upstage doors, from the stage into small hallways then into a back hall where the dressing room area is and remind people they can not tape the doors open. Everyone says but the doors are so loud and I say it is more important for the fire not to follow them so learn to close the doors quietly. It is not that hard hold the handle down till the door is closed then release. These are also the students who tend to get stumped opening the doors...handle all the way down then pull. Hey from time to time the director of the musical for one of the high schools that uses the space regularly puts towels over the doors so they don't shut at all, but she isn't taping the latch open...yeah I rip off the towels. These are not technically fire exits I have learned from the fire marshal, I mean they open into the stage, but our school system also has these "safety" inspectors and based on the fire plan for the building these doors are exits, so if the doors were unable to close properly I would still get in trouble and the inspectors can show up at anytime. The student who usher regularly are very well versed at closing the house doors so they do not bang, our fire doors are on the theater side of vestibules from the lobby...I didn't design it I just work here. High school students in general want to be in honor societies or service societies more chords at graduation, when they come to usher the occasional ceremony or event and wonder why the doors don't stay open on their own and why they can't be taped or whatever to keep them quiet. I tell them it is because we would only be able to give half as many students the opportunity to gain service hours if we didn't need them to hold the doors open and close them quietly...that always gets a rather perplexed look, but they seem satisfied. What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the vestibules and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. Ahhh the fun of working for the public school system. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:24:35 -0500 From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Acceptable truss deflection? In-Reply-To: References:

> >Can anyone tell me what an acceptable amount of truss > >deflection is under a load? Hey Michael, I would tink that the manufacturer of your truss would have this info on their web site. I can tell you that the manufacturer of the industrial track I have use uses a deflection/span ratio of 1/450 (deflection/span) for their load calulations for both their steel and aluminum track. I would think that would be a very conservative ratio. This may not be of help. Let us know a better answer when you find it. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ From: "Steven Santos" Subject: RE: All the Montclair students Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:39:48 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This is a side effect of the helicopter parent syndrome. Parents don't know enough about it, so the kids arn't allowed to experiance it. Unfortunatly for so many things, parent educations doesn't always help - often the more the parents learn about it, the more problems arrise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Santos Director, Simply Circus, Inc. Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road Newton, MA 02462 Phone: 617-527-0667 Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Charlie > Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:06 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: All the Montclair students > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I was going to start a new thread but I have a question related. When I > started being interested in theater I was 16 years old and a high school > junior in 1983. At the urging of my stagecraft teacher I got involved > with community theater. By the time I went to college I had over 20 > shows under my belt with crew and design credits. It was easy for me to > get into a theater program. Now working in a community theater I find a > lack of interest for both students and teachers in forming liaisons and > working with us. My question is what has changed? When I was taking > classes some 20 years ago there was a 50 hour outside theater work > requirement. Is that still the case today? I find myself on deaf ears > to try and get volunteers. I even offered 1 community college student a > design opportunity and they turned it down. As with any career path the > ambitious people go far. What am I missing? > > > Charlie > > Steven Santos wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> I find turning the tables on them is the fastest way to make them see > >> the light -- > >> > >> "What? You didn't watch the C-span coverage of the Supreme Court > >> decision? But you're a paralegal!" > >> > > > > True enough. > > > > Now, lets change the focus a little. If I were to ask a group of law > > students if they had read the latest SCOTUS ruling, or at least > a summary of > > it, and they said no, I would be shocked, and wondering if they really > > wanted to be a lawyer. To flip this around to a profesional level, it > > wouldn't suprise me if a working lawyer has not read it, unless > its a ruling > > thats within their area of practice. > > > > By and large, students dont yet have an established area of > practice. Being > > a student is about gaining experiance. I don't go to see a lot > of circuses > > myself anymore, but I sure as heck do push my students to see as many as > > they can specifically because they don't yet have the experiance. > > > > YMMV > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Steven Santos > > Director, Simply Circus, Inc. > > Email: Steven [at] SimplyCircus.com > > Mail: 14 Pierrepont Road > > Newton, MA 02462 > > Phone: 617-527-0667 > > Web: www.SimplyCircus.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:42:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Acceptable truss deflection? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161798.77500.qm [at] web82201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Delbert Hall wrote: > I would tink that the manufacturer of your truss > would have this info > on their web site. I wish it were that easy! The manufacturer web site consists of one page with contact information and a couple of photos. Unfortunately the truss was purchased before I was hired into my position, or else I would have pushed to spend the extra money for a name brand so we would have that easily available information and a track record. But I have to deal with what I have. I will be contacting the company tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breath for much useful information, thus my plea for help. Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680701301945q2a0da040p895604d93118ae0d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:45:15 -0500 From: "Eric Rouse" Subject: Re: Acceptable truss deflection? In-Reply-To: References:

> I wish it were that easy! The manufacturer web site > consists of one page with contact information and a > couple of photos. > Mike Heinicke > Who is the manufacturer? Odd that they don't have ratings available. Yeesh! -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1121 ******************************