Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41908755; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:02:28 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41908753; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:02:28 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1124 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:01:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1124 1. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by Rigger 2. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by Rigger 3. Re: Movies & PA by Rigger 4. Re: Oldest tool by Rigger 5. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by Rigger 6. Re: how old by Rigger 7. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger 8. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 9. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger 10. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 11. Re: Oldest tool by Myself 12. Re: Oldest tool by Josh Ratty 13. Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix by "Patrick Immel" 14. Re: Fire Doors .... by CB 15. Re: Oldest tool by "Rob Riddle" 16. Re: Oldest tool by Stuart Wheaton 17. Re: Cello Platform by CB 18. Re: USITT List Get Together? by CB 19. Re: Fire Doors .... by "RD" 20. Re: Panic Bars by "RD" 21. Re: Oldest tool by Josh Ratty 22. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by Jerry Durand 23. Re: High School curriculum by "RD" 24. Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" by "RD" 25. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "RD" 26. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Paul Schreiner" 27. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Paul Schreiner" 28. Re: Cello Platform by "Paul Schreiner" 29. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Bill Nelson" 30. Re: Cello Platform by "Rob Riddle" 31. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and by "Bill Nelson" 32. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Paul Schreiner" 33. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by "Paul Schreiner" 34. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 35. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion by "Bill Nelson" 36. Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre by "Tim Catlett" 37. Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix by Randy Levine 38. Re: Cello Platform by Richard Bakos 39. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by MissWisc [at] aol.com 40. Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre by "Bill Nelson" 41. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by "Occy" 42. Re: Crowded Monitors by Andy Ciddor 43. Re: Powered Speakers by "Bill Nelson" 44. Re: Fire Doors... by "Catherine Brumm" 45. Re: Fire Doors... by "Catherine Brumm" 46. Re: AARP by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 47. Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy by "Rob Riddle" 48. Thank you by Lauren Samuelsen 49. Re: Laser Saw Blade Device by "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" 50. Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line by Rigger *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:52:05 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own At 11:12 PM -0500 1/29/07, Kathryn Sirico wrote: >Left-handed crescent wrench? Where can I find one of those? It would >keep my (right-handed) crew from stealing mine! These folks might have one... The have left-handed tape measures, so why not a C-wrench? FWIW, my dad was a southpaw, and once upon a time we did have a collection of genuine Crescent brand adjustable wrenches in the left-handed flavor - the thumb wheel was cut the other way 'round, so it worked backwards from a conventional C-wrench. Can't for the life of me remember where they came from, though. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:01:00 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own At 9:04 PM -0800 1/29/07, Bill Nelson wrote: >All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. Actually, no; they're not. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime, the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." --Robert Heinlein ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:07:21 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Movies & PA At 10:19 AM -0500 1/30/07, Stephen Litterst wrote: >Andy Leviss wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> I can't remember the last time I've seen a 1/4" patch bay in a theatre >> sound reinforcement system. I've seen XLR patchbays in lots of theatres >> all over the country. > >Come visit me. Four venues, each with a 1/4" longframe patchbay, >plus another 1/4" longframe in the main rack room. Each patchbay >takes up a half rack by itself, so using XLR in this instance would >have crowded everything else out of the control rooms. > >Venue opened in August of '06. Andy's just blowing smoke; he's been in my theatre in East Lansing, which in fact has a 1/4" patch bay. You weren't paying attention that day, were you, Andy? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Singing is basically a pleasant, controlled form of screaming. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:13:43 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Oldest tool My great-grandfather on mom's side was a toolmaker by profession and an amateur gunsmith... I have his vernier calipers, dated 1893, and I still use them from time to time on my own amateur pistolsmith work. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "That's one of my pet peeves. OK, maybe not a pet, more like a feral peeve, or a peeve that you feed scraps to but don't take to the vet or anything." -- Steve Bream ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:19:13 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy At 1:54 PM -0500 1/30/07, Michael Brubaker wrote: >Frank, allow me to dream that Indiana isn't as flat as it is. I spent 18 >years in hillier (is that a word?) terrain before moving here. But Mike; Indiana really *isn't* as flat as it is... It's flatter. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Anytime you hear businessmen debating "which policy is better for America", don't bend over. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:20:26 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: how old At 2:08 PM -0500 1/30/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >Y'know, Frank, there's a whole lotta people on this list who are wishing >you'd take your own advice in that last sentence. Lighten up. ^^^^^^^ You misspelled "shut." -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I almost don't feel the way I do. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:25:18 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line At 5:27 PM -0500 1/30/07, Jason Salvatori wrote: >To go back to dealing with manila splinters... >Out of all this thread, I've noticed no one mentioned wearing gloves >as part of flying. I was taught you should never fly without >gloves... Is this a popular opinion, or just the advice of a few >people I learned from? Personal preference. I could never pull a show while wearing gloves; I need to feel the rope in my bare hands. Pulling with gloves would be to me like watching movies through wax-paper glasses. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he machine-gunned the survivors ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:34:12 GMT Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Message-Id: <20070131.153434.833.1125670 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Dave, Whoa! This forum came too darn close to 'analogies to prophylactics'. /s/ Richard ______________________ I could never pull a show while wearing gloves; I need to feel the = rope in my bare hands. Pulling with gloves would be to me like = watching movies through wax-paper glasses. Dave Vick ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:47:35 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line At 11:34 PM +0000 1/31/07, Richard wrote: >>I could never pull a show while wearing gloves; I need to feel the >>rope in my bare hands. Pulling with gloves would be to me like >>watching movies through wax-paper glasses. > >Whoa! This forum came too darn close to 'analogies to prophylactics'. You, sir, have a dirty mind. (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you...) -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "No one gets to Heaven 'til they've lived a while in Hell" --Dio, "Magica" ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:53:09 GMT Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Message-Id: <20070131.155319.833.1125790 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Dave, Actually, someone claiming to represent the Thought Police was nearby. /s/ Richard _____________________________ >>I could never pull a show while wearing gloves; I need to feel the >>rope in my bare hands. Pulling with gloves would be to me like >>watching movies through wax-paper glasses. > >Whoa! This forum came too darn close to 'analogies to prophylactics'. You, sir, have a dirty mind. (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you...) -- = Dave Vick ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7b8450b90701311557g6206eb93k4f42e1b6f5006039 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:57:21 -0800 From: Myself Subject: Re: Oldest tool In-Reply-To: References:

I have my Grandfather's hammer. I have had to change the handle three times and the head twice, but it looks like new. On 1/31/07, Rigger wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > My great-grandfather on mom's side was a toolmaker by profession and > an amateur gunsmith... > > I have his vernier calipers, dated 1893, and I still use them from > time to time on my own amateur pistolsmith work. > > -- > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net > > "That's one of my pet peeves. OK, maybe not a pet, > more like a feral peeve, or a peeve that you feed > scraps to but don't take to the vet or anything." > > -- Steve Bream > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:49:14 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Oldest tool In-reply-to: Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <00e001c7459a$cbb0a4e0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Myself Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Oldest tool For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have my Grandfather's hammer. I have had to change the handle three times and the head twice, but it looks like new. We've been down this road before (like so many others), I just know we have. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:56:06 -0600 From: "Patrick Immel" Subject: Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix In-Reply-To: References: That sounds like a great idea! I am not familiar with Phoenix but I am sure there is someplace close we can go! Pat -- Patrick Immel Lighting and Scenic Designer Northwest Missouri State University patrickimmel.com VW Designer V12.5 1GB Ram Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131175757.00c97630 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:57:57 From: CB Subject: Re: Fire Doors .... >Silly civilians. Don't they know they're supposed to use those fire >extinguishers on the floor as door stops? ;) I never did understand why the Fire Marshal hated this so much. I tried to explain to him that the first thing people'd see as they ran away was the extinguisher, and as soon as someone tried to use it the door'd swing shut, but for some reason he wasn't convinced... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00de01c745a0$d5bd8600$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Oldest tool Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:32:27 -0500 deja tool? > I have my Grandfather's hammer. I have had to change the handle three > times and the head twice, but it looks like new. > > We've been down this road before (like so many others), I just know we > have. > > Josh Ratty Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C1475A.1090907 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:50:18 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Oldest tool References: In-Reply-To: Josh Ratty wrote: Myself wrote: >> I have my Grandfather's hammer.... > We've been down this road before (like so many others), I just know we > have. > 5/12/06 I started it that time.... Stuart ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131181844.00c97630 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:18:44 From: CB Subject: RE: Cello Platform >The best way enhance the sound is to speak convincingly of the warm, >resonant qualities of wood, while keeping a straight face. Whilke that may be difficult for some, those of us that can hear the difference betwixt an 18th century cello made by hand by someone that knew wahat he was doing, and the 'carboard' celli that are showing up lately, the platform being right is a bit more important than it bing there. The US patent office thinks so, too. If your really want to discourage their use, though, just send 'em this link: A bad platform can make a good cello sound like carps working. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070131182434.00c97630 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:24:34 From: CB Subject: Re: USITT List Get Together? >Hey Chip. I'm not gonna pay $2900 a night to stay in downtown, but I'd pay >$75 to stay on the freeway somewhere. For those of you that are freaking, it doesn' cost quite that much to stay in downtown PHX, that was another in a long list of typos. I meant $200. And, I meant that to go off-list... Apologies all around. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Fire Doors .... Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:58:13 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c745a4$83e255f0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Always, always, always I find, discover, see, observe, in 99% of the venues I inspect, fire extinguishers used in this manner ....and 25% not charged and some four and five years out of charging .... usually in colleges and schools. As to the individuals knowing how to use them or when or not when, that is indeed another matter which arrives, always, always, always. I asked one young man in the U.S. Senate Bldg. upon my inspection there, and he said: Well, you just take it out and tip it over ....egads and little fishes. Surprised. Not really. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:01 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fire Doors .... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the > community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors > open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the vestibules > and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. That is the first time I have heard about fire extinguishers in a vestibule. Would it be possible to move the hooks, or change the height, so they don't work as convenient anchor points? Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') References: Subject: RE: Panic Bars Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:05:54 -0700 Message-ID: <01ea01c745a5$8229db10$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I second, third and fully back Bill's comments. You are taking the tiger on and it is not worth the hassle ...Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Conner Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:34 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Panic Bars For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "Making it look professional enough to pass fire inspection and public contact would be the big challenge." Professional enough will be interpreted in a court as having a UL or other label from a nationally recognized testing laboratory, which you get legally after having the design tested for tens of thousands of dollars. I strongly recommend you not mess with safety and circumvent applicable regulations, like the Station owners and Great White stage manager did. Of course you may get away with it as others involved with Station tragedy did. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:11:54 -0500 From: Josh Ratty Subject: RE: Oldest tool In-reply-to: Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Reply-to: josh.ratty [at] verizon.net Message-id: <00e601c745a6$5825d2f0$6401a8c0 [at] Rattys> -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Wheaton Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:50 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Oldest tool 5/12/06 I started it that time.... Stuart So this is a "different" hammer than the "original." Got it. Ummm I think. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:55:57 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question In-reply-to: Message-id: <20070201025557.17EE8181BAF [at] smtp.interstellar.com> References:

At 09:41 AM 1/31/2007, Rob Riddle wrote: >Jerry, Delbert (et al) I often get entirely too many windows open. >Even with duals. If you are running XP on single or dual have you >tried / seen Xilokit Deskloops? Sorry, Windows 00 and Mac OS X Server. I have to deal with only one desktop at a time, but will say the wider monitor is really nice. -- Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: High School curriculum Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <020c01c745ad$178fb060$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: I have gone through my files ....and files and files, and find that since 1958 with the L.A. City Schools, until many years later, I am still writing and developing Curriculums for colleges, schools, industry oriented theater people, .... and on and on. It will take time to sort, but I can share, and of course, hint, there is my new book ....he said. 800 of them sold already. Thank you all for that. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Kanyuck Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: High School curriculum For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Eric, Where I'm from most of the high school teachers don't know the tech side of theater so they only teach the acting. Whatever experience the students gain in tech in the high schools is from working productions and figuring out what they need to do by either talking to other shop teachers or learning from the "Theater Manager" the school disctricts have. Some will go out and do some research on their own. But, yes, high schools in many areas lack technical theater or ANY theater experience at all. Maybe you can start to get the high schools in your area to realize there is more that can be taught. Or even groom some of them at your theater space. Give them tours as a class to show them equipment and what it can do either by itself or after a show that high school students come to see in a fieldtrip. Jeff Kanyuck I have two questions: 1. Being in my 2nd year here I am getting heavy into recruiting for our BFA TD program. One of the main issues I seem to have is that few high school students realize that Technical Direction is even an option of a career path. In fact, I was speaking to a senior BFA TD student today and he told me the same thing. He came to school wanting to do something in technical theatre, and didn't know that being a TD was an option. Does anyone know why this is? Can anything be done to help raise awareness? 2. Are there specific technical theatre classes taught in public high schools in the US? If so, what kind of classes are they? Or do they get most of their knowledge from working on their productions? I grew up in Puerto Rico, so I have absolutely no idea. -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA Jeff Kanyuck Technical Director Cultural Events & Performing Arts Harford Community College 401 Thomas Run Road Bel Air, MD 21015 410-836-4369 Office 410-836-4251 Fax jkanyuck [at] harford.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References: Subject: RE: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <022a01c745ad$1c9257c0$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Seems reasonable to me. Doom Having done a number of his productions, yes, and even worked with the East Berlin Ensemble as an actor. Who Knew? Now you do. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:30 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > From: Herrick Goldman > Date: 2007/01/30 Tue AM 04:31:10 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Brecht's Poem "The Lighting" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > This is why...when asked to design Brecht..I very specifically speak with > the director and make sure he or she does NOT want to subscribe religiously > to that man's views! Why not? Surely the playwright's views need to be taken into consideration when planning a production. > > He says..having designed 6 or 8 of Brecht's show's. Having designed a few myself, I should say that I prefer not to use Brecht's plain white light, as witness some pictures on Photobucket. But if you think back to the general state of the art when Brecht was writing and staging his plays, you can see sense in what he wanted. Then, it was still three-colour striplights and footlights, with a few 'spotlights' thrown in for luck. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" References:

Subject: RE: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:00:02 -0700 Message-ID: <022e01c745ad$1de73960$6501a8c0 [at] doom1> In-Reply-To: Incredible, but great. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:51 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- OK, I just installed MS Virtual Desktop Manager and it allows you to quickly switch between four desktops. I can have a different programs on each monitor, so I could easily work with eight programs pretty easily. I see a couple of thing about this program that I don't like, but it might be useful. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ETCP Certified Rigger - Theatre 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:33:31 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-Reply-To: References:

> These folks might have one... The have left-handed tape measures McFeely's used to carry right-handed tape measures. If you think I'm nuts that most tapes aren't right-handed, try this... Lay a board out. Any board. If you're like me, you'll take the tape in your left hand and measure right-to-left to mark it (so you use the pencil in your right hand). Are the numbers right-side-up or upside-down? Take the same tape and try to stick it on your belt. Is the clip already on the correct side to do so? A right-handed tape (theoretically) should have the clip on the side...well, set a tape on the stage floor, with the business end downstage. The belt clip should be stage right, and the numbers should be aligned so that they are readable from stage right as well. Those that I found specifically marketed as "right-hand" are the only ones I've ever seen that worked that perfectly. And now mine is missing...*snif* And McFeely's doesn't seem to carry them any more. And all the other supposed "right-handed" tapes have the clips on the wrong side, at least. Can't tell by the web photos if the numbers are right-side-up or not. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:38:49 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

> >Out of all this thread, I've noticed no one mentioned wearing gloves > >as part of flying. I was taught you should never fly without > >gloves... Is this a popular opinion, or just the advice of a few > >people I learned from? > > > Personal preference. I could never pull a show while wearing gloves; > I need to feel the rope in my bare hands. Pulling with gloves would > be to me like watching movies through wax-paper glasses. And for me, I prefer fingerless gloves for just about everything. Best compromise for my tastes between protection and dexterity/feel. But you still get splinters on occasion... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:45:26 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Cello Platform In-Reply-To: References: > A bad platform can make a good cello sound like carps working. Though I'd rather hear carps working than a bad cello any day of the week. And twice on Sunday. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1087.205.215.253.39.1170302130.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:55:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line From: "Bill Nelson" > Whoa! This forum came too darn close to 'analogies to prophylactics'. Well, we ARE supposed to be safe on stage. Did you hear about the musician who put a prophylactic on his instrument when rehearsing? He wanted to practice safe sax. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <010b01c745b5$c889a710$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References:

Subject: Re: Cello Platform Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:02:24 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schreiner" > > A bad platform can make a good cello sound like carps working. > Though I'd rather hear carps working than a bad cello any day of the week. > And twice on Sunday. Matinee and evening performance? Rob't ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1093.205.215.253.39.1170302577.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:02:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own From: "Bill Nelson" >>All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. > > Actually, no; they're not. They are for me. I can't speak for anyone else. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:06:46 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line In-Reply-To: References:

> Did you hear about the musician who put a prophylactic on his instrument > when rehearsing? He wanted to practice safe sax. And here I always thought the most effective prophylactic for a musician was a bassoon... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:08:32 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own In-Reply-To: References:

> >>All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. > > > > Actually, no; they're not. > > They are for me. I can't speak for anyone else. Me too, but only cuz I can never remember which way is supposed to do what. I just fiddle and hope I get it right... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c745b6$dc872fc0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And here I always thought the most effective prophylactic for > a musician was a bassoon... Q: What do musicians use for birth control? A: Their personalities. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1146.205.215.253.39.1170305192.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:46:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion From: "Bill Nelson" > They are not the cheapest PARs, but I have been usring S4 PARSs in an > outdoor theatre for 10 years. They all still work fine. Is there a weatherized version? I have an outdoor application in mind, but the instrument would be aimed upwards all the time and fully exposed to the weather. I am concerned about a couple of possible problems - all the water that would fall into the instrument and the risk of a hot lens shattering during a sudden rain shower. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:47:15 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre In-Reply-To: References:

Les, I feel compelled to encourage you in your efforts for more support from the administrators and district. However, I can only do this with one caveat. Please do not convince them to trade your box office for more district support. Allow me to tell you a little about our program and see if maybe you can get some ideas to use in your discussions with the PTB. The only reason that my program is as successful and as large as it is is because long ago, due to the efforts of my very smart predecessors, the theatre dept. was set up so that there were two budgets which directly fed the theatre activities. The first was a "Community Services" budget which has been used and managed solely by us in order to maintain and upgrade the facility year after year. It is called Community Services because of the large amount of community involvement that our facility saw and still sees. The second budget, and perhaps the more important one, is that we keep 100% of our box office and turn it directly back into the program through the hiring of guest artists, defraying costs of field trips, defraying the cost of touring to International Thespian Festival and/or the American High School Theatre Festival in Edinburgh, materials and equipment, occasional outside designer or consultant hiring, occasional professional musicians, choreographers, etc. We essentially run our theatre program AS THOUGH it were a professional theatre company. This is so that the students receive the benefits of a well-staffed, well-equipped, well-funded theatre in which to DO theatre, without the negatives of administrative and district oversight of our programs (beyond reason that is). All of this is not to say that the district does not provide ANY funding (or oversight even). They do because they are required by law to do so. This funding comes to us as curricular funding, staffing, insurance, etc. These are the things that, because WI lists theatre as a curricular item, they must fund at a certain level. At our high school we actually only have one formal class in a theatre topic that is part of our department; that is Technical Theatre and Design. I and the Technical Director share the duties of teaching that class through the year and we typically have about 14-18 students in it for any given semester. Then, the "co-curricular" part of our program is the last hour of the day in which about 120-140 students come to the theatre and they separate into different sections or theatre departments: Acting, Stage Crew, Costumes, Publicity, and usually another section that has been, at various times, Beginning Acting, Dance, Improv, or Voice. The Acting section is taught by a Theatre-certified teacher who also teaches Speech and English. The Stage Crew section is taught, with my assistance, by our Technical Director who is Theatre-certified and also teaches Speech and English. The Costumes section is supervised by a degreed Costume Designer who is contracted as an Aide. The Publicity section is taught by an Art teacher. The last section is usually taught by guest artists for a semester and paid for from our box office revenues. As far as how many of our students go on to work at a professional level in the theatrical field...quite a few. In fact some of you might be familiar with some of them, you just don't know it. That being said, we as a faculty usually try to dissuade all but the most persistent and dedicated among our students from attempting to make this a career. We prefer to think of our program as not really teaching theatre, but instead teaching life and how best to live it. The results of that education are visible in the theatre that is created and performed. We don't really believe that it is our job in secondary education to create little theatre technicians and actors. That job falls to people who are in a better position to help them succeed at it: the colleges and universities of the country and world. Much of what is taught by our methodology is and will be useful to our students no matter what degree field they choose or professional aspirations they have simply because of the philosophy that we maintain about what we do. We teach teamwork, commitment, responsibility, determination, focus, collegiality, professionalism, trust, self-worth, initiative, and many other life skills; we just don't teach a lot of theatre (except our one class and our co-curricular hour). Whew! That was more long-winded than I intended. But fire away some questions if you like and I will do my best to provide answers. I truly believe in the system and program that has developed over the last 60 years in our department and I will always fight for it to remain the way it is (at least in it's elements). Keep up the good fight because theatre is a worthy and important fundamental in education. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com On 1/31/07, LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > That's my argument I use when I talk with the PTB here at the district about support for theatre. We have no theatre classes or budget for our dramatics program. Totally ticket sales supported. > I ask the school board at a board meeting one time if they knew how many students over the years went on to theatre or theatre/entertainment related careers as a result of being involved in our extra-cirricular theatre program. I give them the answer for as far back as I can remember, at least a dozen and I name names. Then I ask them how many students athletes went on to careers in professional sports or related. That used to be zero but now one student graduated from Auburn with a sports turf degree (or something like that). > The result: the extra-cirricular sports program still has over a $100,000 budget and the drama program now has $0. > > Les ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <6B842913-4C8C-410B-B0B4-BA54D3660461 [at] cox.net> From: Randy Levine Subject: Re: USITT Reception in Phoenix Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:08:34 -0700 There are lots of options. Check out: http://www.coppersquare.com Here's a suggestion: Seamus McCaffrey's Irish Pub & Restaurant 18 W. Monroe St. Phoenix AZ 85004 It's well within walking distance, has a good selection, prices and atmosphere. Randy On Jan 31, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Patrick Immel wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > That sounds like a great idea! I am not familiar with Phoenix but I > am sure there is someplace close we can go! > Pat > > -- > Patrick Immel > Lighting and Scenic Designer > Northwest Missouri State University > patrickimmel.com > > VW Designer V12.5 > 1GB Ram > Dual-Core notebook Win XP sp2 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C1773B.90709 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:14:35 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Cello Platform References: In-Reply-To: And the reason that you need to use the most expensive lumber you can think up to make it sound better. Tom Heemskerk wrote: > The cello platform I know and hate is approx. 3' x 5' x 10" and the > top is made of 1x4 with 1/4" gaps between them. > The best way enhance the sound is to speak convincingly of the warm, > resonant qualities of wood, while keeping a straight face. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:18:54 EST Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line << _stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com_ (mailto:stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com) writes: Q: What do musicians use for birth control? A: Their personalities. >> no no no no no... the joke goes like this: Q. What do musician's use for birth control? A. The RHYTHM method! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1195.205.215.253.39.1170309620.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:00:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Lack of interest in working for community theatre From: "Bill Nelson" >> I ask the school board at a board meeting one time if they knew how many >> students over the years went on to theatre or theatre/entertainment >> related careers as a result of being involved in our extra-cirricular >> theatre program. I give them the answer for as far back as I can >> remember, at least a dozen and I name names. Then I ask them how many >> students athletes went on to careers in professional sports or related. >> That used to be zero but now one student graduated from Auburn with a >> sports turf degree (or something like that). >> The result: the extra-cirricular sports program still has over a >> $100,000 budget and the drama program now has $0. Of course, their analysis is: The theatre extra-curricular program is a success, just the way it is, as students are going on to theatrical careers. On the other hand, there has only been one student who has graduated college with a sports related degree - so obviously the sports program is deficient and needs more money pumped into it. There certainly couldn't be any other reason. Right? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:06:32 -0800 Some one doesn't work with enough orchestras or rock stars. ----- Original Message ----- From: > --------------------------------------------------- > > << _stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com_ (mailto:stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com) > writes: > Q: What do musicians use for birth control? > A: Their personalities. >> > > > no no no no no... > the joke goes like this: > > Q. What do musician's use for birth control? > A. The RHYTHM method! > > > Kristi > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070201164947.10107fc8 [at] kilowatt.com.au> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:10:39 +1100 From: Andy Ciddor Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors In-Reply-To: References: At 05:01 1.02.2007, Richard wrote: >I've been using dual monitors since I replaced a computer the day >Windows XP Media Edition was launched. It came with DVI & VGA ports. Since the first IBM PC used different address spaces for it monochrome and colour video cards, it has been possible to run dual screens. We were running them at Western Australia Academy for AutoCAD under MS-DOS in the mid-80s. I also used this setup for the Borland integrated development environment for programming, well before Windows came along. Win98 supported dual screens (although not too well) which allowed me to run two ISA video cards, on my Pentium 133 in 1998. Windows 2000 was the first of the Win NT family (Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista) to support multiple screens out of the box. Today my dual-head nVidia card (nothing very special) is driving two 22 inch CMV monitors for a desktop of 3,360 x 1050 pixels, which is a great working environment for the kind of stuff I do today. There are quite a few people running 3 and 4 head desktop systems for off-line console programming and visualisation setups such as HOG PC and WYSIWYG. Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1208.205.215.253.39.1170310400.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:13:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers From: "Bill Nelson" > I prefer a thinking human being making decisions in an emergency to a > pre-recorded digital chip giving instructions to a near-panicked crowd. > Horses for courses. You are assuming that most people are rational, thinking beings in a emergency situation. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Catherine Brumm" References: Subject: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:09:04 -0500 > From: "Jon Ares" > References:

> Subject: Re: Fire Doors .... > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:14:01 -0800 > > > quietly. It is not that hard hold the handle down till the door is > > closed > > then release. > > That doesn't work for the crash-bar doors, where you press the crash bar > to > exit, then stand on the other side of the door. Trying to hold the crash > bar down as the door shuts results in one's arm being caught in the door. > ;) Well actually on our doors it does very well if you hold the crash bar into the door as it closes and release it from that side after the door is shut. Also all our interior doors with crash bars have handles on the opposite side so as you go through the door you grab the handle on the other side hold it down until the door is shut and release it. Also the upstage doors I was referencing are not true fire doors and do not have crash bars just handle type knobs on both sides. > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:28:51 > From: CB > Subject: Fire Doors .... > > >What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the > >community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors > >open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the > >vestibules > >and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. > > It seems as if nearly every one of your users has an issue with the doors, > and it's becoming epidemic. Using the argument that it's nearly > impossible > to keep track of all of the vilolations, and that there is a danger of one > or two of them being missed in the event of an emergency, suggest the > magnetic door holders. They hold the door open, but if the alarm is > triggered there is an electro-magnetic pulse that allows the doors to > close. All you have to do is make sure that the doorways are clear. > Any policy that finds human interactions as it's constant adversary is > bound for failure. Any emergency policy that finds adversarial opposition > at every turn is bound for catastrophic failure. > Chris "Chris" Babbie Well I am sure part of the problem is that there is one of me trying to run around and facilitate the events and many of them trying to make their own lives easier. We have magnetic door holders through out the adjacent schools for doors in between hallways where the fire walls are but I have so many other things of greater concern to try and get the school system to fix that loud doors are low on my priority list and as far as compliance I do what I can. I got some great new aisle lighting last fall beautiful LED lights I can actual see entire steps and the rises in the dark even steps that were black holes because they are aligned with the pony wall in the back have lights too. It just took several people falling and calling the school system, of course I had been asking for them for four years. So under that theory It would take a fire for them to get me new doors or I would have to win the lotto. As far as the amount of violations it would be a concern for me if the fire marshal ever showed up with less then 48 hours notice and administrators running around telling us what to put away. I run the Fire Curtain once a month for maintenance, I don't think the fire marshal has ever seen the curtain run, never during an inspection have I been asked to open the pull box and release the curtain. Catherine Brumm ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Catherine Brumm" Subject: RE: Fire Doors... Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:12:49 -0500 > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:01:01 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: Fire Doors .... > From: "Bill Nelson" > > > What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from > > the > > community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main > > doors > > open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the > > vestibules > > and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. > > That is the first time I have heard about fire extinguishers in a > vestibule. > > Would it be possible to move the hooks, or change the height, so they > don't work as convenient anchor points? > > Bill That is where the school system made me put them something about accessibility because the outer doors (lobby side) of the vestibules do not lock and the inner doors (theater side) do. The height can not be changed because of acoustical tiles around the vestibule to help create the "sound lock", I am guessing I didn't design it I work here. I wanted to install them on either side of the house where there is a space between the retractable acoustical curtains but was told no. Even though there are fire extinguishers mounted in cases in the walls on either side of the lobby. Catherine Brumm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <27440625.1170310643303.JavaMail.? [at] fh095.dia.cp.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:17:23 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: AARP > The AARP is far and away the most powerful lobby in Washington DC.< All I know is they tried to rip me off several times and succeeded once. When I called them on it, they were anything but polite and understanding. They also made no sense. The reason the gave for dating a membership back six months (during which they provided no service nor would have had I requested it) was that I paid "cash"... which is what a check apparently is to them. I also continue to get offers for overpriced insurance and other services at the rate of two to three per week. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <016e01c745c9$36d7e4d0$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References:

Subject: Re: Mike Brubakers pix of Indy Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:21:30 -0500 I just moved to Indianapolis from Idaho, born and raised in Denver. This place is flat. Not Bonneville Salt Flats flat, but flat. Rob't > But Mike; Indiana really *isn't* as flat as it is... > It's flatter. > Dave Vick > rigger [at] tds.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:33:27 -0600 Subject: Thank you From: Lauren Samuelsen Message-ID: Thank you very much for all your advice on flying people. I found out today that our Director isn't making us do it anymore. I managed to convince her by reminding her that with a stage crew of 3, maybe 4, we'll hardly have enough people to do the scene changes, much less the flying. That made her change her mind, and she ended up hiring FOY (where the money is coming from I don't know, but its not my problem). So that is a big relief. Thank you all. Lauren ------------------------------ Message-ID: <11939871.1170311729933.JavaMail.? [at] fh095.dia.cp.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:35:29 +0000 (UTC) From: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Reply-To: "paul.guncheon [at] hawaiiantel.net" Subject: Re: Laser Saw Blade Device <> I believe there are some laser guides that are not attached to the blade arbor but mounted elsewhere on the tool. I cannot speak of those as I have not used one of that type that I can remember. This may be the type described above. The arbor mounted ones (that I have used) are usually quite accurate... to around 1/32 - 1/64th. Only once did I find one that caused problems, in the form of blade wobble. They are not as accuate as using the teeth of the saw or test cutting to find you cut as the laser line has some thickness and flare. They can be focussed by shimming, which I have done by necessity on occasion. They are simple laser line pointers that are activated by a similarly simple centifugal switch. Changing the batteries is a matter of a few minutes longer than changing the blade. They are extremely useful for angle and bevel cuts on chop saws... and well worth the expense in my exalted and highly regarded opinion. Sorry for any misspellings as my current spell checker is so slow I can't stand to use it. Laters, PAul ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 03:48:24 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Non-Manila Counterweight Operatng line At 11:06 PM -0500 1/31/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >> Did you hear about the musician who put a prophylactic on his instrument >> when rehearsing? He wanted to practice safe sax. > > And here I always thought the most effective prophylactic for a > musician was a bassoon... Y'know what string players really use for birth control? Their attitudes. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net If Helen Keller had psychic ability, would you say that she had a "fourth sense"? ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1124 ******************************