Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41997541; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:03:08 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 41997009; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:02:12 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 required=5.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL,NO_RECEIVED, NO_RELAYS,PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS, PRXY_USER_BODY_LEVITRA,SARE_LWSHORTT,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1126 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:01:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1126 1. Re: High School curriculum by Al Fitch 2. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by Scott Peterson 3. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by "Jon Ares" 4. Re: Movies & PA by Stephen Litterst 5. inside-out electrical tape by "Nathan Kahn" 6. Re: L Hand/R Hand by "Scott Spidell" 7. Re: inside-out electrical tape by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 8. Re: Weatherize Fixtures by "Jim and Dave Productions" 9. Re: inside-out electrical tape by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by KEITH ARSENAULT 11. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion by MartySrq [at] aol.com 12. Re: Fire Doors .... by 13. Re: how old by MartySrq [at] aol.com 14. AARP by CB 15. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own by 16. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and by 17. Brecht lighting by "kosteral [at] juno.com" 18. Re: Cello Platform by CB 19. Re: right handed on both sides by "Don Taco" 20. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and by Jim Hyslop 21. Re: Powered Speakers by CB 22. Re: L Hand/R Hand by CB 23. Re: cello platform by 24. Re: cello platform by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: cello platform by "Jon Ares" 26. Re: Powered Speakers by "Bill Nelson" 27. Re: cello platform by "Paul Schreiner" 28. Re: Fire Doors... by 29. Re: L Hand/R Hand by "Don Taco" 30. Re: Fire Doors... by "Don Taco" 31. Re: Fire Doors... by "Bill Nelson" 32. Re: how old by 33. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by "Bill Nelson" 34. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by "Bill Nelson" 35. Re: Fire Doors... by Stephen Rees 36. Re: Powered Speakers by rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) 37. Rosco Image Pro by "Jim and Dave Productions" 38. Re: Rosco Image Pro by "Matt Gard" 39. Re: Rosco Image Pro by "Michael Diederich" 40. Re: Rosco Image Pro by "Michael Diederich" 41. Re: Rosco Image Pro by "Matt Gard" 42. Re: Rosco Image Pro by Andrew Vance 43. Re: Rosco Image Pro by Andrew Vance 44. Re: Cello Platform by 45. Re: Movies & PA by Rigger 46. Re: how old by Rigger 47. Re: L Hand/R Hand by 48. Re: Powered Speakers by 49. Re: Fire Doors... by 50. Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still by 51. Re: how old by 52. Re: Fire Doors... by "Bill Nelson" 53. Re: Fire Doors... by Michael Heinicke 54. Re: Cello Platform by MissWisc [at] aol.com 55. Re: Fire Doors... by "Don Taco" 56. Re: Fire Doors... by "Don Taco" 57. Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures by Pat Kight 58. Re: Weatherize Fixtures by Chris Warner *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: High School curriculum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <502164.20865.qm [at] web84013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm currently taking classes in education to become certified to teach technology education (Industrial Arts for us old farts and Shop for the really old farts). My plan is to use my theatre experience to enhance whatever school's theatre program I land in. I will also plan and request to teach a technical theatre course. In whatever schools my wife has worked in there are no technical theatre classes. The "shop" teacher builds the sets out of 2X10s, 2X6 and 2X4s and the art teacher designs and paints the sets. There is lots of room for co-teaching and curriculum design to include technical theatre courses using technology education classes, art class and math classwork to inform interested students of the possibilities that exist for employment in technical theatre. --- Jeffrey Kanyuck wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Eric, > Where I'm from most of the high school teachers > don't know the tech > side of theater so they only teach the acting. > Whatever experience the > students gain in tech in the high schools is from > working productions > and figuring out what they need to do by either > talking to other shop > teachers or learning from the "Theater Manager" the > school disctricts > have. Some will go out and do some research on their > own. But, yes, high > schools in many areas lack technical theater or ANY > theater experience > at all. > Maybe you can start to get the high schools in > your area to realize > there is more that can be taught. Or even groom some > of them at your > theater space. Give them tours as a class to show > them equipment and > what it can do either by itself or after a show that > high school > students come to see in a fieldtrip. > > Jeff Kanyuck > > > > I have two questions: > > 1. Being in my 2nd year here I am getting heavy into > recruiting for > our BFA TD program. One of the main issues I seem > to have is that few > high school students realize that Technical > Direction is even an > option of a career path. In fact, I was speaking to > a senior BFA TD > student today and he told me the same thing. He > came to school > wanting to do something in technical theatre, and > didn't know that > being a TD was an option. > > Does anyone know why this is? Can anything be done > to help raise > awareness? > > 2. Are there specific technical theatre classes > taught in public high > schools in the US? If so, what kind of classes are > they? Or do they > get most of their knowledge from working on their > productions? I grew > up in Puerto Rico, so I have absolutely no idea. > > -- > Eric Rouse > TD-Penn State University > State College, PA > > > Jeff Kanyuck > Technical Director > Cultural Events & Performing Arts > Harford Community College > 401 Thomas Run Road > Bel Air, MD 21015 > 410-836-4369 Office > 410-836-4251 Fax > jkanyuck [at] harford.edu > > Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <842680.1170418080706.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:08:00 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Scott Peterson Reply-To: Scott Peterson Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures Hello, I've used both the newer Altman Outdoor Par and the James Thomas Weatherproof Par in a few permanent installations outside at a few major Theme Parks. Personally, I like the Thomas cans. Yes, they're more expensive, but they are a bit easier to change bottles and focus. The back cap is hinged on the Thomas cans, vs the Altman cans where the front lens comes completely off. Both fixtures seal well, and I believe both can use PAR 64 or 56 lamps. With the Thomas can, you can rotate the body (and the par bottle) at the yoke. On the Altman can, you can rotate the bottle, but you have to open the front lens to do it. This is also a bit tricky with the optional color snoot installed. I don't reccomend lamping either in a humid environment and then running them all night long. We broke a few lenses that way. The new Thomas fixtures include an air pressure vent on the body. The older Altman Weather Pars were pretty cool. The back cap was removable, the body hung on the yoke. It was easy to re-lamp. Only problem was they were nose-heavy. They needed focus chains. We even used a few for special lighting fixtures. Just my 2 cents from working at a theme park... Scott Peterson scpteck [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c746d5$e757d560$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:24:52 -0800 > For short term outdoor situations, I've found that S4 pars are usually ok, > but I too worry about the bulb + rain issue. If given the option, I will > usually use a PAR 64 can with a sealed-beam PAR bulb (and then worry only > about the internal wiring + rain). I don't know if Colortran (now Leviton) still makes it, but they had a product called an All-Weather PAR. Stupid expensive, but worked really really well in challenging environments. The back cap had a handle that allowed you to rotate the beam (the socket isn't exposed, like a regular PAR). The cap accepted both PAR 56 and 64 lamps. Even with the cap, they had good ventilation. I first encountered them in a local theatre where these units were spec'd as extremely over-priced house lights. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C34DA4.4010404 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:41:40 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Movies & PA References: In-Reply-To: Andy Leviss wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > LOL, when did I ever get to the booth on that tour stop? I was pit rat/RF > tech, I pretty much lived backstage at the WOPR rack or running full tilt > to the pit to put out some fire or another! Wow. Not many shows tour with their own War Operations Plan Response computer. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270702020651i211aa97brdec04b139ec630b9 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:51:48 -0500 From: "Nathan Kahn" Subject: inside-out electrical tape Today I used a roll of electrical tape that's been stored in my garage for at least 10 years, exposed to severe high and low temperatures. The adhesive is now on the outside of the tape, instead of the inside. That is, the first layer I removed had no adhesive on it at all. And from that point on, the adhesive was on the outside of the roll. No sticky at all on the inside. I was still able to use it :-) Innaresting, I thought . . . Nathan Kahn -- Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ From: "Scott Spidell" References: Subject: RE: L Hand/R Hand Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c746db$53f5d370$3ba06181 [at] tofa> In-Reply-To: I've bought my father both left and right "Blindman Tapes" at Lee Valley Tools. Great products. http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32565&cat=1,43513,43003 Scott In Waterloo Who's oldest tools include my C-wrench from 1984. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:29:11 GMT Subject: Re: inside-out electrical tape Message-Id: <20070202.072939.15735.1122587 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Next time, buy Scotch 33+. /s/ Richard _________________________ Today I used a roll of electrical tape that's been stored in my garage for at least 10 years, exposed to severe high and low temperatures. The adhesive is now on the outside of the tape, instead of the inside. That is, the first layer I removed had no adhesive on it at all. And from that point on, the adhesive was on the outside of the roll. No sticky at all on the inside. I was still able to use it :-) Innaresting, I thought . . . Nathan Kahn -- = Look Solutions USA, Ltd. Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutionsusa.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:00:00 -0500 From: "Jim and Dave Productions" Subject: RE: Weatherize Fixtures Keith Wrote: >there at one time WAS a weatherized PAR 64, , if it is available now I> do not know, > >but years ago, , one was spec'd and built with WALT DISNEY WORLD >specifically in mind, I was on the crew when EPCOT launched their Millenium Celebration. The parade around the world showcase is lit with 'Outdoor' Par64's from, if memory serves, J. Thomas Engineering (the truss people). Not sure if they have other flavors in the Outdoor variety, but this might help. Good Luck Jim ------------------------------ Subject: RE: inside-out electrical tape Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074F9BC9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Next time, buy Scotch 33+. I try to buy scotch whenever I can... Wha...? Oh...nevermind. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: KEITH ARSENAULT Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:55:14 -0500 that's the instrument I spoke of earlier, , ,originally spec'd for DISNEY WORLD... years and years ago, , On Feb 2, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Jon Ares wrote: I don't know if Colortran (now Leviton) still makes it, but they had a product called an All-Weather PAR. Stupid expensive, but worked really really well in challenging environments. The back cap had a handle that allowed you to rotate the beam (the socket isn't exposed, like a regular PAR). The cap accepted both PAR 56 and 64 lamps. Even with the cap, they had good ventilation. I first encountered them in a local theatre where these units were spec'd as extremely over-priced house lights. Keith L Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida www.iaeginc.com 813 831 3465 office 813 205 0893 cellular iaeg [at] aol.com ------------------------------ From: MartySrq [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:52:53 EST Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixture Suggestion I believe Altman still makes the "Weatherpar" which is basically a PAR 64 set up for outdoor use. Marty ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Fire Doors .... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:53:33 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202175333.NOIT29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > > What really irks me are the people, usually renters of the space from the > > community, who think they are above the rules and they tie the main doors > > open to the hooks for the fire extinguishers mounted inside the vestibules > > and leave the fire extinguishers sitting in the corner. > > That is the first time I have heard about fire extinguishers in a vestibule. > > Would it be possible to move the hooks, or change the height, so they > don't work as convenient anchor points? Not a lot. They will just be dismounted, and used as doorstops themselves. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: MartySrq [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:03:33 EST Subject: Re: how old Frank Wood wrote: "My apologies. I must have been in a bad mood when I posted." (snipped) Frank - was the bad mood a result of France banning smoking in public places? It seems you are running low on countries to indulge your filthy habit and may have to bite the bullet admitting that there's no longer a reason not to come visit us. I'm sure Dave Vick would buy you a beer. Cheers, Marty ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070202104515.00ca2d78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:45:15 From: CB Subject: AARP >Sorry if I missed earlier posts on this but I'm a member, it doesn't cost >much, Savings on one stay pays for membership. I haven't got >time for politics. So, regardless of their political goals you'd take the 10% savings? This is why this country is doomed. Your 'membership' fees support their political goals, Bill, you ought see what it is you're buying. Something tells me you might be dissappointed. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:12:14 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202181214.NWHU29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 03:33:31 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought > new and still own > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > And McFeely's doesn't seem to carry them any more. And all the other > supposed "right-handed" tapes have the clips on the wrong side, at > least. Can't tell by the web photos if the numbers are right-side-up > or not. Just the same with saucepans. Normally, if the handle is towards you, the pouring lip is on the left. This is exactly wrong. When emptying a saucepan of anything at all viscous, you hold the handle in your left hand, and a spoon or spatula in your right. A few manufacturers make amphicheiral pans: encourage them. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:17:18 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202181718.NYJV29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 04:02:57 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought > new and still own > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. > > > > Actually, no; they're not. > > They are for me. I can't speak for anyone else. They are really amphicheiral. Think of the distinction between socks and gloves. Greek derivation meaning 'both hands'. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: "kosteral [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:22:17 GMT Subject: Brecht lighting Message-Id: <20070202.102254.764.241637 [at] webmail25.nyc.untd.com> FWIW, I just saw a production of "Saint Joan of the Stockyards" at the Berliner Ensemble in December. The lighting consisted of RED scenes, YELLOW scenes, and WHITE (color-corrected--not grey or N/C) scenes. Allison Koster Carleton College Northfield, MN ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070202110132.00ccfd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:01:32 From: CB Subject: RE: Cello Platform >A CLLO (first google result) is the USAF Central Labor Law Office. >A Cello on the other hand is a doorstop. >A Viola is what children use to gain revenge on their parents. >> > Of course. A cello burns longer. >...And holds more beer. >A viola flies farther when thrown. I love this list! *Most* of y'all *knew* it was a typo (quitit...) ; > Now, why do the Germans call a viola a 'bratsch'? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <05f101c746f7$ec1f5010$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: right handed on both sides Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:28:16 -0800 >> >>All my adjustable crescent wrenches are ambidexterous. >> > >> > Actually, no; they're not. >> >> They are for me. I can't speak for anyone else. > > They are really amphicheiral. Think of the distinction between socks and > gloves. Greek derivation meaning 'both hands'. > > > Frank Wood > Socks go on your feet and gloves go on your hands. That certainly explains your claim that Bill only imagines that he can use his wrench with either hand. Define your terms, gentlemen. You're not even really listening to each other. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C38371.4060303 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:31:13 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own References: In-Reply-To: frank.wood95 [at] ntlworld.com wrote: > They are really amphicheiral. Think of the distinction between socks > and gloves. Greek derivation meaning 'both hands'. I dunno. It's all Greek to me. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070202111323.00ccfd60 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:13:23 From: CB Subject: Re: Powered Speakers >Not a safe assumption to make, even if sound guys are more rational and >level headed than most other people. You've got two choices, Bill. 1. Assume that those used to, and responsible for, dealing with emergencies will, for the most part (with the occasional too-tightly-wound cop being the exception), deal with the emergencies in a level-headed and responsible manner, or 2. Everyone will lose their mind and chaos will ensue. I prefer to think that planning for the latter will result in far more injuries, deaths, and damge to property. The former, while it may reduce the amount of idiots more quickly, is a far better bet. You wear your seatbelt, even in the face of the horror stories of people burning to death trapped in their car by their belt, doncha? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070202111342.00ca2d78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 11:13:42 From: CB Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand >> mark >> with pencil in my left hand. The numerals are right side up and >> readable. > I'm right handed, and that's how I do it as well. The point being, that if you were to make a mark without something in your right hand, you'd be using your right hand to do it. A 'proper' right-handed tape would allow you to 'write' with your right hand, and hold the tape in your left, is the theory. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: cello platform Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:39:47 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202183947.OWIA26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Dorian Kelly > Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 11:07:12 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: cello platform > > It seems apparent that we need to get as much as possible directly > from the instrument, and as little as possible from the floor. The > foot obviously has a function in supporting the instrument, but is it > more of a liability than an asset? The energy in this spike is > concentrated into a pretty well a point source of about a quarter of > an inch in diameter, having resonated in a rod a foot or so long. > Perhaps this should be damped rather than encouraged? My friend who > is a jazz cellist has tried bugging the spike with a pickup to see > what happens and finds it produces a comparatively horrible sound, > which being jazz, she uses for effect. The violoncello is a direct descendant of the bass viol, which was held between the players knees, with no floor contact. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Subject: RE: cello platform Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:43:21 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074F9D08 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > The violoncello is a direct descendant of the bass viol,=20 > which was held between the players knees Which one was without the mayo? (obscure?) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c746fa$91a8b6f0$0400000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: cello platform Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:47:19 -0800 >> The violoncello is a direct descendant of the bass viol, >> which was held between the players knees > > Which one was without the mayo? > > (obscure?) Not to me... I was trying to think of a clever reference to Jack Nicholson, and holding something between one's knees... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1628.205.215.253.82.1170442632.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:57:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers From: "Bill Nelson" >>Not a safe assumption to make, even if sound guys are more rational and >>level headed than most other people. > > You've got two choices, Bill. 1. Assume that those used to, and > responsible for, dealing with emergencies will, for the most part (with > the occasional too-tightly-wound cop being the exception), deal with the > emergencies in a level-headed and responsible manner, or 2. Everyone will > lose their mind and chaos will ensue. > I prefer to think that planning for the latter will result in far more > injuries, deaths, and damge to property. The former, while it may reduce > the amount of idiots more quickly, is a far better bet. I believe this thread started because someone stated that it would be better for a person to make an announcement in the case of a fire, rather than having a recorded fire announcement that is part of the fire alarm. I don't know which is better, and it may depend on the theatre. I just am not willing to reject the automated alarm as not being the better choice. In the theatres where I work, I suspect the recorded announcement would be superior, as house staff and tech crew have little or no training in crisis management (community theatre). Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: cello platform Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A074F9D27 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > Not to me... I was trying to think of a clever reference to=20 > Jack Nicholson, and holding something between one's knees... I was trying to come up with better, but got pre-empted last time with the Latin/Monty Python reference, so I went with "fast" instead of waiting for "good"... ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:03:14 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202190314.WGKR17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Bruce Purdy > Date: 2007/02/01 Thu PM 12:29:51 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Fire Doors... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > I have noticed in this thread, that the terms "Fire door" and > "Emergency exit door" seem to have been used interchangeably. > In my understanding, they are two different animals, although one > door may - or may not- serve both functions. And in mine, with the same reservation. > > An emergency exit is used for, well, exiting the facility in the > event of an emergency. (Fire or other.) We call them 'Final Exit Doors', as they lead to a place of safety. It is important to remember that the cast and crew need the same chances as does the audience. They need panic bolts, and may under no circumstances be locked shut. A "Fire door" on the other > hand, is there to keep a fire contained, and fills openings in a fire > wall. Why is this difference important to this discussion? Well, > because it is fire doors that must be able to latch (Can't be > dogged). Here we differ. Fire doors can only be latched open by magnetic latches interconnected with the alarm system. If not, they must be self-closing. They are principally smoke doors. > > Terminology is important. It is, indeed. I should not say this, but I recommend you to improve your understanding of it. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <060601c746fd$c9cbdf00$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:10:21 -0800 >>> mark >>> with pencil in my left hand. The numerals are right side up and >>> readable. > >> I'm right handed, and that's how I do it as well. > > The point being, that if you were to make a mark without something in your > right hand, you'd be using your right hand to do it. A 'proper' > right-handed tape would allow you to 'write' with your right hand, and > hold > the tape in your left, is the theory. > Chris "Chris" Babbie That's not how I do it. I measure off from the most inconveneint end of the material, using the tape in whichever hand it was closest to when I went to grab it from the pile of tools, and often getting the tip of the tape wedged into some kind of crack or joint in the material, forcing me to stop and free it. Then I peer at the material and visually memorize some spot or defect or mark or pattern in the grain next to the measurement I need, then I put down the tape measure and scramble around in the pile of tools looking for a pencil, rejecting the ones that are easy to locate, since they all need to be sharpened. Once I've found a pencil, I return to the material and look for my mark, which nearly always looks exactly like a dozen others in the vicinity, and so I grab the tape measure and start over, and then look all around me for the pencil, which I have forgotten that I put behind my ear when I started looking for the tape. Once I remember where the pencil is and go to make the mark, generally, the tip breaks off of that pencil, and I look for a distinctive mark in the wood, put down the tape, and go back to looking for a sharp pencil. Which side the numbers are facing is the least of my problems. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <061501c746fe$bfe398b0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:17:14 -0800 >> >> An emergency exit is used for, well, exiting the facility in the >> event of an emergency. (Fire or other.) > > We call them 'Final Exit Doors', as they lead to a place of safety. It is > important to remember that the cast and crew need the same chances as does > the audience. They need panic bolts, and may under no circumstances be > locked shut. We were recently 'forced' by our Fire Marshal to install crash bar exit doors from our two backstage areas, one of which is the main entrance for the show 'on stage.' This isn't a bad thing. It's a very good thing, and long overdue. Now, you can tell the old-timers from the newcomers quite easily, since those who are used to the old door will stand there and rattle and poke and kick and shake it for a minute or two trying to get it open before they remember that they now have to pull. Old habits die hard. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1664.205.215.253.82.1170444685.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:31:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fire Doors... From: "Bill Nelson" > We were recently 'forced' by our Fire Marshal to install crash bar exit > doors from our two backstage areas, one of which is the main entrance for > the show 'on stage.' This isn't a bad thing. It's a very good thing, and > long overdue. Now, you can tell the old-timers from the newcomers quite > easily, since those who are used to the old door will stand there and > rattle > and poke and kick and shake it for a minute or two trying to get it open > before they remember that they now have to pull. Old habits die hard. I am still uncertain why we were required to install the crash bar exit in the scene shop. There are two other exits from the shop, one to the green room and the other to the makeup room. However, the change to outward opening doors was long overdue. So was the requirement to keep the path clear on that third door in the scene shop. Yep. I am one of those that occasionally absentmindedly pushes on the door a time or two before remembering to pull. Bill ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: how old Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:44:02 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202194402.PVPC26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: MartySrq [at] aol.com > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri PM 06:03:33 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: how old > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Frank Wood wrote: "My apologies. I must have been in a bad mood when I > posted." (snipped) > > Frank - was the bad mood a result of France banning smoking in public > places? No. The French are a pragmatic people, and will devise a way round the ban. I remember going to a restaurant in Calais some years ago, and inadvertently sitting in the non-smoking area. The waiter just moved the sign. It seems you are running low on countries to indulge your filthy habit and > may have to bite the bullet admitting that there's no longer a reason not to > come visit us. I'm sure Dave Vick would buy you a beer. Perhaps he would, although my views on US beer, in general, match yours on smoking. Meanwhile, Germany and Greece remain safe havens. > > Cheers, > > Marty > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1676.205.215.253.82.1170445721.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:48:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own From: "Bill Nelson" > Just the same with saucepans. Normally, if the handle is towards you, the > pouring lip is on the left. This is exactly wrong. When emptying a > saucepan of anything at all viscous, you hold the handle in your left > hand, and a spoon or spatula in your right. A few manufacturers make > amphicheiral pans: encourage them. I once worked in a restaurant kitchen and my observations do not fit your claim. When the chefs (all right handed) wanted to pour something, they would grab the pan with their right hand to pour - as that gave them better control than using the left. If they needed to scrape something out, they held the implement in their left hand. The only time I saw them holding a stock pan in their left hand was if they were dipping portions out of it. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1687.205.215.253.82.1170446578.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:02:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures From: "Bill Nelson" Thanks for all the suggestions. I was already aware of the Altman fixtures. This is a community theatre with a very tight budget and cannot afford to buy a couple of these instruments. I may just have to go with outdoor security lights, which can be purchased for around $30 each. I was just hoping to have a bit more control of the light that a PAR provides. A couple of S4 PARs seemed like a reasonable cost compromise, but I am concerned about the ability of them to stand up under Pacific Northwest weather. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:22:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Fire Doors... From: Stephen Rees Message-ID: In-Reply-To: All these examples bring to mind a "Far Side" cartoon of a person pushing on the entrance door to the school for the gifted that is plainly marked PULL. Seems we have those moments around here as well. Steve R. On 2/2/07 2:31 PM, "Bill Nelson" wrote: > > Yep. I am one of those that occasionally absentmindedly pushes on the door > a time or two before remembering to pull. > > Bill > ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net (Randy Whitcomb) Subject: Re: Powered Speakers Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:31:02 +0000 Message-Id: <020220072031.1495.45C39F86000B010B000005D72207000953010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bill Nelson" > I don't know which is better, and it may depend on the theatre. I just am > not willing to reject the automated alarm as not being the better choice. > In the theatres where I work, I suspect the recorded announcement would be > superior, as house staff and tech crew have little or no training in > crisis management (community theatre). My last theatre had an automated alarm (recorded voice and Star Trek red alert klaxon) installed a year before I left. In that time the system went off 3 times with an audience present. Each time the alarm only elicited annoyance from the crowd. People just assume its a false alarm and wait for it to turn off. They need to be told to leave the building. Without a real person telling them to leave they'll just sit there until they smell or see smoke - too late. I had the following exchange each time the alarm went off: Patron: Is it real? Me: Yes. It is a real alarm and you need to leave now. My instructions to my staff were pretty simple. If the alarm goes off, House lights up. Kill sound from the stage, and get the people to the exits. Fortunately the sound level for the alarm was set when the house was empty so the audience tended to dampen it enough that I could speak to the crowd. I also had to remind them about the exits next to the stage There's no replacement for a properly prepared staff. Automated devices are not yet able to react to specific and changing situations. IIRC there was mention here a few months ago that, as a result of The Station fire, the new life code was requiring gatherings of 50 or more to have a person responsible for "crowd management". Randy Whitcomb Columbia, MD. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:17:03 -0500 From: "Jim and Dave Productions" Subject: Rosco Image Pro Hello, Has anyone used these within close proximity to the audience. Is the fan loud? Any feedback would be great! ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:26:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" I've used them right over a squeek's head without complaint. They can=20 be 2fered with the source 4 so they won't run all the time.=20 Matt -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jim and Dave Productions Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:17 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Rosco Image Pro For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello, Has anyone used these within close proximity to the audience. Is the fan loud? Any feedback would be great! --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: From: "Michael Diederich" >>>> Hello, Has anyone used these within close proximity to the audience. Is the fan loud? Any feedback would be great!<<<< It's audible, but quiet. It will probably fade into the background noise pretty quickly once things get going. HTH. Michael Diederich Theater Techncial Asst. Mohawk Valley Community College 1101 Sherman Dr. Utica, NY 13501 (315) 731-5757 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:24:12 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References:

From: "Michael Diederich" >>>> They can=20 be 2fered with the source 4 so they won't run all the time.<<<< I would be careful with 2fers and fans. Unless the channel is at full I would be worried about wearing the fan out prematurely due to the lower wattage. But Rosco may have thought of that? A rep could answer that one better. Mike Diederich ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matt Gard" They are designed to be used this way. Rosco says so and even sells a 2fer built for the task. I use a 2fer I built myself, without any=20 problems. A word of warning however: Do not use 750w Lamps, or you will burn your sparkling new slide up in about 45 seconds. Matt Gard Master Electrician Virginia Stage Company 757-627-6988 x349 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Michael Diederich Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Rosco Image Pro For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >>>> They can=20 be 2fered with the source 4 so they won't run all the time.<<<< I would be careful with 2fers and fans. Unless the channel is at full I would be worried about wearing the fan out prematurely due to the lower wattage. But Rosco may have thought of that? A rep could answer that one better. Mike Diederich --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7F42A288-37F7-4D4A-A62D-0369A515477E [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:55:48 -0500 On 02 Feb, 2007, at 16:33 , Matt Gard wrote: > They are designed to be used this way. Rosco says so and even sells a > 2fer built for the task. I use a 2fer I built myself, without any > problems. A word of warning however: Do not use 750w Lamps, or you > will > burn your sparkling new slide up in about 45 seconds. While Rosco says you can run them together, I have burned out fans in the units running them on the same dimmer as the lamp. This generally involved a lot of flash and trash for a show [many and rapid bump ins and outs], but burned out the fans nonetheless. I got in the habit of putting the fans on separate dimmers than the lamps. They're such low wattage, I usually gang all the iPros in a location to the same dimmer. Bring the fan up a cue before the lamp turns on, and turn it off a cue after the lamp turns off. That way the fan's already doing its job before heat is applied to the slide. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <401D71A1-110A-4879-BB6A-7432C9D39F2E [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Rosco Image Pro Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:58:25 -0500 On 02 Feb, 2007, at 16:17 , Jim and Dave Productions wrote: > Has anyone used these within close proximity to the audience. Is the > fan loud? > Any feedback would be great! I've used them in intimate black boxes, on balcony rails above folk's heads, and on floormounts near audience members and never a problem with fan noise. The fan is very quiet, and you really only need the fan on when the lamp is on. Especially if anything else is going on, the audience shouldn't notice the fans at all. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Cello Platform Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:53:37 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202225341.SGWL26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 11:01:32 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Cello Platform > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Now, why do the Germans call a viola a 'bratsch'? Or a bassoon a 'fagott'? Is there an etymologist in the house? > Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:56:36 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Movies & PA At 12:48 AM -0500 2/2/07, Andy Leviss wrote: >Besides, anytime I wasn't dealing with RF or pit stuff, I was busy >pondering the WWFWD? product line with you! I suppose one of these days, when we have time to breathe, we oughtta resurrect that product line, eh? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net "That's one of my pet peeves. OK, maybe not a pet, more like a feral peeve, or a peeve that you feed scraps to but don't take to the vet or anything." -- Steve Bream ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:00:28 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: how old At 1:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, MartySrq [at] aol.com wrote: > I'm sure Dave Vick would buy you a beer. Me? Buy Frank Wood a beverage? Not a chance in hell... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: L Hand/R Hand Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:02:53 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202230253.SJSI26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: CB > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri AM 11:13:42 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 > For interest, who knows about Nehemiah Scudder, apart from Chris and me? Those who don't should read Robert Heinlein's "Revolt in 2100". Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Powered Speakers Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:15:55 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202231555.IWZK219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri PM 06:57:12 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Powered Speakers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > I don't know which is better, and it may depend on the theatre. I just am > not willing to reject the automated alarm as not being the better choice. > In the theatres where I work, I suspect the recorded announcement would be > superior, as house staff and tech crew have little or no training in > crisis management (community theatre). Well, they should have such training. They are like airline cabin staff, who pass their time in selling meals and drinks. Their principal purpose is to ensure an orderly evacuation in an emergency. So with the house staff in a theatre. We all of us pray that it does not happen, but I think it foolish not to have contingency plans in place. Not just in some never read safety manual, but rehearsed and engraved on thes staff's brains. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:22:20 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202232220.ZLUT17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Don Taco" > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri PM 07:17:14 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Fire Doors... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- We were recently 'forced' by our Fire Marshal to install crash bar exit > doors from our two backstage areas, one of which is the main entrance for > the show 'on stage.' This isn't a bad thing. It's a very good thing, and > long overdue. Now, you can tell the old-timers from the newcomers quite > easily, since those who are used to the old door will stand there and rattle > and poke and kick and shake it for a minute or two trying to get it open > before they remember that they now have to pull. Old habits die hard. PULL???! This is wholly wrong. Such final exit doors must always open outwards. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought new and still own Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:30:06 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202233006.SQLU26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri PM 07:48:41 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Which came first / how old / could be oldest tool bought > new and still own > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I once worked in a restaurant kitchen and my observations do not fit your > claim. When the chefs (all right handed) wanted to pour something, they > would grab the pan with their right hand to pour - as that gave them > better control than using the left. If they needed to scrape something > out, they held the implement in their left hand. The only time I saw them > holding a stock pan in their left hand was if they were dipping portions > out of it. Probably conditioned byall the wrong-handed pans they have had to work with. Most of mine have everted rims, and it doesn't matter. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: how old Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:37:55 +0000 Message-Id: <20070202233755.JBXM219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: Rigger > Date: 2007/02/02 Fri PM 11:00:28 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: how old > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 1:03 PM -0500 2/2/07, MartySrq [at] aol.com wrote: > > > I'm sure Dave Vick would buy you a beer. > > > Me? Buy Frank Wood a beverage? > > Not a chance in hell... Very unlikely to come your way. But, If you are ever in London, let me know. I am less stingy. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1832.205.215.253.82.1170460074.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:47:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Fire Doors... From: "Bill Nelson" > PULL???! This is wholly wrong. Such final exit doors must always open > outwards. He was talking about people trying to enter the building, Frank. That should be obvious, as a crash bar would not be placed on the outside of an entry door. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20070203003222.72660.qmail [at] web82212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Fire Doors... In-Reply-To: --- Bill Nelson wrote: > I am still uncertain why we were required to install > the crash bar exit in > the scene shop. There are two other exits from the > shop, one to the green > room and the other to the makeup room. What is the distance from the existing doors to the outside? What is the distance from the new exit to the outside? I know that there are usually maximum distances allowed from an exit to the outside, maybe that was the cause? Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:43:07 EST Subject: Re: Cello Platform Chris asked: > Now, why do the Germans call a viola a 'bratsch'? Thanks to one of my favorite professors in college... violins were for "da gamba - the legs" (AKA an early kind of cello) or the arm... this was the stringed instrument for the arm! Frank asked: Or a bassoon a 'fagott'? Is there an etymologist in the house? Because it resembles a bundle of sticks... the English word "faggot" means "a bundle of sticks" (among other, not properly used in mixed company definitions) And why does Kristi know this? because she was originally trained as a MUSICIAN! Yes! Run in horror! Bachelors degree from at a conservatory no less. But I learned the error of my ways... you think ACTORS can't make a living, try being a classically trained singer! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <065601c74736$af1f5220$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:57:34 -0800 > We were recently 'forced' by our Fire Marshal to install crash bar > exit >> doors from our two backstage areas, one of which is the main entrance for >> the show 'on stage.' This isn't a bad thing. It's a very good thing, >> and >> long overdue. Now, you can tell the old-timers from the newcomers quite >> easily, since those who are used to the old door will stand there and >> rattle >> and poke and kick and shake it for a minute or two trying to get it open >> before they remember that they now have to pull. Old habits die hard. > > PULL???! This is wholly wrong. Such final exit doors must always open > outwards. > > > Frank Wood > Well, nope. No, it isn't wrong. Not wholly, nor even partly. Try again. People wanting to enter that entrance need to pull the door, as it is a final exit door and opens outwards. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <066901c74737$91bdd8e0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: Fire Doors... Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 18:03:59 -0800 > --- Bill Nelson wrote: >> I am still uncertain why we were required to install >> the crash bar exit in >> the scene shop. There are two other exits from the >> shop, one to the green >> room and the other to the makeup room. It may simply be that it is an 'exit to a place of safety,' whatever that is called in our jurisdiction, and it may be that it is the shortest or most direct route to safety from the dressing rooms, for example. The shop itself has many exits, but the building is limited in 'final exit doors,' at least compared to its size. It wasn't planned as a sensible building, being made up of three old buildings that stand next to each other. In any case, having that crash bar isn't a bad thing. That door was essentially useless before. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C3FB8B.1070808 [at] peak.org> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:03:39 -0800 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Outdoor Lighting Fixtures References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions. I was already aware of the Altman fixtures. > > This is a community theatre with a very tight budget and cannot afford to > buy a couple of these instruments. He speaks the truth. Between the new fire marshall's "OK, all you downtown businesses that have been getting by on grandfathered building codes, it's time to install sprinkler systems" mandate last year and the usual getting-by-on-the-skin-of-our-teeth, the theater in question is lucky to keep the doors open. You guys don't even what to know what our production budgets look like. On the other hand: We're in our 55th season, putting on 9-10 shows a year. So we must be doing something right. Thank goodness for volunteers like Bill who come up with creative solutions for doing things on the cheap ... -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C40A1C.70009 [at] gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:05:48 -0800 From: Chris Warner Subject: Re: Weatherize Fixtures References: In-Reply-To: Jim and Dave Productions wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Keith Wrote: >> there at one time WAS a weatherized PAR 64, , if it is available now > I> do not know, >> >> but years ago, , one was spec'd and built with WALT DISNEY WORLD >> specifically in mind, > > I was on the crew when EPCOT launched their Millenium Celebration. > The parade around the world showcase is lit with 'Outdoor' Par64's > from, if memory serves, J. Thomas Engineering (the truss people). Not > sure if they have other flavors in the Outdoor variety, but this might > help. > > Good Luck > Jim > Disneyland (that's the California Resort park), they use (I think) white 10 deg Soure 4's. Chris ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1126 ******************************