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Re: Automated Alarms by "David B. Nelson" 2. Re: Volunteer Coordinator by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 3. Re: Volunteer Coordinator by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 4. Re: Volunteer Coordinator by Charlie Fraser 5. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 6. G-mail issues & digest readers by "Michael Powers" 7. Projector shutter by "Paul Schreiner" 8. Re: Automated Alarms by "Bill Conner" 9. Re: G-mail issues by Chip Wood 10. Re: Projector shutter by John McKernon 11. Music Man Firecracker by "Warmbold, Bo" 12. Re: Automated Alarms by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: Projector shutter by Andrew Vance 14. Re: Music Man Firecracker by "Jason Salvatori" 15. Re: Automated Alarms by Jim Hyslop 16. Re: Portfolios by "Michael Finney" 17. Re: politics (which includes smoking) by Jim Hyslop 18. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Jason Salvatori" 19. Re: Projector shutter by Steve Shelley 20. Re: Projector shutter by Andrew Vance 21. Re: Automated Alarms by "Don Taco" 22. Re: politics (which includes space) by "Don Taco" 23. Re: **JUNK** Re: politics (which includes space) by Jim Hyslop 24. Re: Projector shutter by Steve Shelley 25. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 26. Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) by "David B. Nelson" 27. Re: Portfolios by Mick Alderson 28. Re: G-mail issues (was: Re: Portfolios) by Mick Alderson 29. Re: Automated Alarms by 30. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Rob Riddle" 31. Re: L Hand/R Hand by Jim Hyslop 32. Re: Music Man Firecracker by "LES LIND" 33. Re: L Hand/R Hand theory/practice by "Don Taco" 34. Re: Cello Platform by Jim Hyslop 35. IA book? by Jonny D 36. Re: Projector shutter by 37. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" 38. Re: **SPACE** **JUNK** by "Don Taco" 39. 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Subject: RE: Automated Alarms Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c7492a$50e49440$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Occy writes... > All fine and dandy Bill write/email to? The primary standards setting body for fire codes in the US is the National Fire Protection Association. National Fire Protection Association 1 Batterymarch Park Quincy, Massachusetts 02169-7471 Tel: +1 617 770-3000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:52:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Volunteer Coordinator From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Our volunteer coordinator is a (working) member of the BOD. She has a list of volunteer jobs available for each performance and assigns folks based upon when they want to work. We use about 12-15 folks per performance. She maintains a database of individuals who sign up from our website, on clipboards in the lobby, or folks who write or call in to volunteer. I (as TD) maintain my own list of folks who want to work on the technical aspects of the show. We don't have a job description on paper to my knowledge. Probably should. These volunteers also get tickets to see the show. Once a year we invite all our volunteers to a special final dress of our summer musical. We have food available prior to the rehearsal and hold a reception afterward. We get them all on stage and take their picture with the cast of the show. They all receive a copy of the picture. We have several hundred people on our lists. The secret is use them as often as they volunteer assuming slots are open. Don't waste their time and thank them in as many ways as you can. They are a precious commodity and we try to take good care of them. We couldn't operate without them. Their duties can range from house manager to usher, concessions, meet-and-greet, mass-mailout stuffers and addressers, carpenters, painters, seamstresses, plus our running crew for the show. My tech folk have been around for years. They come to work days on a regular basis. I ALWAYS feed my crew at work days. The are experienced and always handle their work in a professional manner. I train them and show them why things work best this way or that. I also take their recommendations when they come up with a better solution to a small tech problem. I am scenic/lighting designer/technical director and have a part-time intern to help me. Other than that, it's all volunteer. My BOD folks come to workdays also. They need to know what makes my world work smoothly. I include them so they can learn. Our BOD is passionate about what we do. My world and welcome to it. Steve > From: Charlie Fraser > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:07:35 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Volunteer Coordinator > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, Does anyone have job descriptions for a volunteer coordinator? Our > theater group is looking to acquire one but we are researching what to > include in the job description. > > > Thanks > > Charlie ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:23:39 GMT Subject: Re: Volunteer Coordinator Message-Id: <20070205.062420.15735.1134188 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Volunteer Coordinator - must be able to identify, recruit, retain and = retrain burn-out-proof volunteers who are happy in their work. /s/ Richard ___________________________ Hi, Does anyone have job descriptions for a volunteer coordinator? Our theater group is looking to acquire one but we are researching what = to include in the job description. Thanks Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C74028.1050500 [at] charliefraser.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:33:12 -0500 From: Charlie Fraser Subject: Re: Volunteer Coordinator References: In-Reply-To: We are not asking this person to attain the unattainable just the impossible. :-) I do like this idea better than the original one which was get the volunteer TD to do it *meaning me ;-) Charlie ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Volunteer Coordinator - must be able to identify, recruit, retain and > retrain burn-out-proof volunteers who are happy in their work. > /s/ Richard > ___________________________ > Hi, Does anyone have job descriptions for a volunteer coordinator? Our > theater group is looking to acquire one but we are researching what > to include in the job description. > > > Thanks > > Charlie > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:33:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Look at www.macconnection.com item #6194475 DualHead2Go. Palm-sized box which allows two displays. Matrox PowerDesk software seamlessly manages window positioning and pop-ups. Easy to install-connects to existing single monitor output. $159.95 Mine arrives tomorrow. Steve > From: "Matt Gard" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:29:39 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rob > > I actually meant 2 "desktops" ie: the place where all of your icons sit. > As I understand it, it is possible to have multiple "desktops" per user > in XP or OSX, and that they are similar to the workspaces in VectorWorks. > In other words, I could have my Lightwright and Vectorworks Icons, etc > on one desktop, and without switching users, flip to my other desktop > very quickly which may have, let's say Quake III and Firefox on it. > > P.S.- I looked at deskloops. It looks neat, but I think I'm gonna hunt > for something that is more "expose" like. that is probably my favorite > OSX feature. > > Matt Gard > Master Electrician > Virginia Stage Company > 757-627-6988 x349 > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Matt: > When you say multiple Desktops do you mean multiple monitors or > multiple PC's? > I have one dual monitor XP Pro PC with my design work on it that is > rarely on the internet. It is networked to a single monitor Win2000 > machine that is always on, which I have all the internet capabilities > (and it's vulnerabilities) running. The work between is ALMOST > seamless. I do, rarely, have XP files opened to the 2000 machine as I > have the previously mentioned Deskloops on the XP machine. > > Do I enjoy it? oh yes > Is it productive? I won't say three times as a single PC, but it sure > makes life easier. > > Rob't > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have confused every one of my Coworkers who has sat down to my Dual > screen setup. They always lose the cursor on the 2nd screen. I would > be sad if I had to go back to flipping between VW and LW when I'm > circuiting, though. I also love it because When I click a link in > Outlook, Firefox opens on the other screen. > > I have yet to try out Multiple Desktops, but I think that time is > nearing. My iBook has a teeny tiny screen, and the desktop get > cluttered with work stuff, so I think it's about time to start Desktop > Switching. Has anyone tried Multiple Desktops? Like em? hate em? > > Matt > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0702050639l367f28e6g751dd49c80a17ea2 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:39:59 -0600 From: "Michael Powers" Subject: G-mail issues & digest readers CB wrote: <> I use g-mail and I don't understand the problem. I have never made any effort to see or ignore what g-mail is doing to my posts. Unless single message readers get a different version of what I write, I don't see miles of quote included in my posts. Of course, as you can see above, I tend to automaticly trim when I do quote. As to the digest issue, I find it just as easy if not easier, to simply scroll past unwanted subjects than to take the time to delete them and at the same time my eye can catch glimpses of the message if it doesn't match the posted subject. For example, in the digest that I am reading right now there is one post with the subject <<: Re: Rosco Image Pro>> The actual post isabout something entirely different <> -- Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ Subject: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:18:54 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7A86 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" I seem to recall a recent question asking about shuttering video projectors... In today's mail I received a couple of packets of product info (from Stage Directions, incidentally), one of which (from Robert Juliat USA) shows the "Clipper", a four-blade DMX controlled shutter unit "for discharge luminaires and video projectors". Might be something to look into... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <04f901c7493f$d6591c80$6a01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:08:11 -0600 In response to: "The situation is common in community theatre. If the group rents space in a managed venue, the venue may or may not provide a competently trained house manager. From my limited experience in various venues over the years, it has generally been the case that the paid house managers are usually more clueless than many of the volunteers." You shouldn't allow it. The attitude of "I can't do anything about it" when it comes to safety is unacceptable. This is especially so in assembly occupancies which generally has a very good record but - as the Station tragedy showed - the potential for major loss of life. Safety requires people to step up and act and not wait for the "authorities". It seems like a fundamental part of civilization - taking action for the common good. You might also refer to the Life Safety Code which has specific regulations for crowd management and crowd managers. But please - because there are instances of poor management and inaction - don't try to recommend a poor second choice solution on everyone for the sake of uniformity. There are many well managed places of assembly that are much safer because responsible people are in charge instead, not electronics. Bill Conner ASTC, ETCP CR-T ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C75F54.9010000 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:46:12 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: G-mail issues References:

In-Reply-To: Chris Warner wrote: > I use Gmail, but I use thunderbird for my mail software. > Me too, seems to use the best of both. VERY little spam, easy to read and send, and filter. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:54:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Projector shutter From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I seem to recall a recent question asking about shuttering video > projectors... City Theatrical has a DMX-controlled shutter. - John ------------------------------ Subject: Music Man Firecracker Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:00:16 -0600 Message-ID: <4712A45C0680F445A48DEE8E91F9F7D608E1F130 [at] LHEXCHANGE.hs.district128.org> From: "Warmbold, Bo" We are getting read to do the music man here at the high school and the question has come up about the best way to do the firecracker in the gymnasium scene. I thought I might ask how some of you have done this gag or others like it. =20 Thanks in advance Bo Warmbold, CTS. Assistant Technical Director Vernon Hills High School ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <40D9982F-A689-4149-A190-D53C9469BCFD [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:00:15 -0500 On 5 Feb 2007, at 11:08, Bill Conner wrote: > >> "The situation is common in community theatre. If the group rents >> space in a managed >> venue, the venue may or may not provide a competently trained >> house manager. From my >> limited experience in various venues over the years, it has >> generally been the case >> that the paid house managers are usually more clueless than many >> of the volunteers." > > You shouldn't allow it. The attitude of "I can't do anything about > it" when it comes to safety is unacceptable. Whilst I agree with your points, I have to say to dismiss the problem with "You shouldn't allow it" is both simplistic and naive. As the original poster indicated, community theatre groups often rent spaces that are not managed. Long before I was in my current position, I had been involved for years in numerous community theatre companies. Far and away, the most common venue was a High School auditorium. With the exception of a few shining examples on this list, most HS I've run across have no auditorium manager, no theatre program, and no one that has any clue about theatre. The community theatre group HOPES that the janitor remembers to unlock the auditorium - and from then on they are on their own. Throughout the school day, the auditorium is used by a variety of teachers or school administrators for a variety of gatherings. In no case is there anything resembling a crowd control / safety supervisor present. To simply say that the group renting such a space simply "Shouldn't allow it", is to ignore the real world in favour of a utopian vision. Certainly, the community group can - and in this case probably should - provide their own trained personnel. The reality again, as has been pointed out before, is that there may be no paid employees, and the volunteers may only work one or two days out of the year. With a constantly changing volunteer pool, it is not realistic to expect the kind of training that you and I both know SHOULD exist. Perhaps some constructive suggestions for a way to improve on the status quo - even a little bit - might be more productive than declaring that things shouldn't be the way they are. Just a thought. Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:09:36 -0500 On 05 Feb, 2007, at 11:54 , John McKernon wrote: > City Theatrical has a DMX-controlled shutter. That's insanely expensive. We're looking at getting one of the Engineering Solutions boxes that someone else one the lis recommended: http://www.response-box.com/flapper.shtml Does everything we need it to, controlled via DMX, and reasonably priced. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702050927u69496a7vae20929c65fcbc54 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:27:28 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Music Man Firecracker In-Reply-To: References: Most recent production of it we had used an old CO2 fire extinguisher hidden in the deck. When the cracker (a piece of paper) is placed behind the teacher, a tech discharges a small burst from the extinguisher giving a "whoosh" noise and big puff of smoke. Usual stuff to watch out for - don't let the discharge hit anyone (frost bite) and don't go pulling a good extinguisher off the wall. Hope that helps. Jason Salvatori Technical Director Vaughan City Playhouse > We are getting read to do the music man here at the high school and the > question has come up about the best way to do the firecracker in the > gymnasium scene. I thought I might ask how some of you have done this > gag or others like it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C76A85.4020702 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:33:57 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Automated Alarms References:

In-Reply-To: Bill Nelson wrote: > And I have commented on the unreliability of people, in crisis > situations. There is no way to tell how a person will respond, until > they actually experience an emergency. Actually, it can be done. I remember reading about a hijacking of an airliner in the 70s. The jet was sitting on the tarmac at an airport. The authorities wanted to send in a military strike, but were worried how the passengers would react. So, they called in several psychologists, who reviewed psychological profiles of the passengers. The psychologists figured that most of the passengers would hit the floor, and they identified one or two who would likely stand up. The authorities gave the go-ahead, the armed personnel went in - and the passengers all behaved as predicted: the one or two individuals the psychologists had fingered stood up, everyone else hit the floor. 'Course, it's impractical to do that kind of assessment on every audience that walks in the door. But it can be done. :=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Portfolios Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:34:06 -0800 Message-ID: <44FC1DD5E9E93D4F9D4C289DF28F7C3F340FE5 [at] thinkwellsbs.ThinkWell.corp> From: "Michael Finney" Steve Shelly wrote: <> First of all - I have to say that Steve's statements regarding portfolios have been very nicely put, and the I agree with him whole heartedly (both as somebody who sometimes has to send/take portfolios out and somebody who has to review them on a regular basis). A few comments that probably come more from the "have to review them" side: Specifically related to the idea of a "read me" file - I *might* manage to sober up enough to check it out for pertinent information, but I've gotten so jaded by pointless/useless "read me" files with programs and downloads that those files have become background noise to me. I *know* that the guys who run my art department wouldn't read them - they're going to go straight to the pretty pictures. I really prefer that plots and other documents come across in any electronic portfolio as pdf's. It insures that the formatting is the way the designer wanted it (for better or worse), and it insures that I don't get into any kind of odd software issues ("what open source piece of crap was *this* created in anyway?")(...and this from somebody who *likes* open source!). =20 And I really don't care if plots are full size...the odds of me actually digging too far into the detail in a review is pretty slight - I'm more interested in how they're organized, what level of information is shown, etc. etc. I'll dig into details (and maybe even do a quick "plan check") after the first presentation. As convenient as electronic portfolios are, as much as I've embraced them, as much as I share the opinion that screen images seem to read better than a lot of printed photos - I *still* like a hard copy portfolio. Part of that is the pure visceral experience of being able to flip the pages at my own rate, and part of it is that I think the printed copy is yet another design/organizational/presentational element that I can use to evaluate the person whose work it is. A sloppy, badly organized hard copy is going to be at least some kind of red flag...especially since there's a better than even chance that I'd be having that person work on presentations for me. And regarding size: We (as in Thinkwell Design & Production) do a *lot* of presentations to clients for a lot of reasons. Format varies all over the place - lots and lots of digital presentations, lots and lots of hard copies in various sizes and formats. The only constant? The "leave behind" books are always 11"x17" (or ANSI B, or ISO A3, depending on where it's going). That seems to have been a decent compromise size between easy manageability and decent conveyance of information. And to a couple of questions from the original poster: If you have good shots of your work from small theaters, then by all means include them! I'd rather see a good representation of your work from a small theatre than a lot of mediocre images from "name" theatres. Besides - small theatres require good problem solving skills and I want to know about them. And I'm with the rest of these folks - document your work. I'm missing *huge* chunks of my past work because I didn't take the time to shoot it myself. Even a "point and shoot" camera at the tech table will give you *something*. Oh yeah - and if you have a chance to get feedback about your portfolio *after* the presentation, by all means try to take that opportunity. Everybody has their own preferences, and getting the feedback will help you tailor your portfolio to your specific market.... =20 Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C76AA5.4000609 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:34:29 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: politics (which includes smoking) References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

In-Reply-To: Patrick Immel wrote: > Right on Pat! I apologize! Cyberspace is not a country...yet! :-) Ooooh - can I be president? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702050935k67da3727x39d61a8276317e88 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:35:34 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question In-Reply-To: References:

My home setup was a P4 with 4 monitors (19" CRT and 3 15" LCD) running off 2 dual-head cards. It's networked with my older P3 which, using a KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switch shares the main CRT and the keys and mouse. Also has an S-vid out to my TV. It's more than I needed, but it was fun to see people's faces when they got a look at it. Especially running a cheezy "Matrix" screen saver. Unfortunately I sacraficed 2 of the LCD's in an attempt to make a digital projector out of an overhead and LCD combo... Never got it working right. What a waste. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:36:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Projector shutter From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Can anyone provide a testimonial for this product? Intriguing. shelley On 2/5/07 12:09 PM, "Andrew Vance" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 05 Feb, 2007, at 11:54 , John McKernon wrote: >> City Theatrical has a DMX-controlled shutter. > > That's insanely expensive. We're looking at getting one of the > Engineering Solutions boxes that someone else one the lis recommended: > > http://www.response-box.com/flapper.shtml > > Does everything we need it to, controlled via DMX, and reasonably > priced. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Andrew Vance > Lighting Designer > atvanceld [at] gmail.com > > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:41:24 -0500 On 05 Feb, 2007, at 12:36 , Steve Shelley wrote: > Can anyone provide a testimonial for this product? Intriguing. Our video folk are probably purchasing one for an April show with video. I'd be happy to relate our experiences with it after we get to play around with it. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013a01c7494d$d14afb10$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:48:16 -0800 > Actually, it can be done. I remember reading about a hijacking of an > airliner in the 70s. The jet was sitting on the tarmac at an airport. > The authorities wanted to send in a military strike, but were worried > how the passengers would react. So, they called in several > psychologists, who reviewed psychological profiles of the passengers. > The psychologists figured that most of the passengers would hit the > floor, and they identified one or two who would likely stand up. The > authorities gave the go-ahead, the armed personnel went in - and the > passengers all behaved as predicted: the one or two individuals the > psychologists had fingered stood up, everyone else hit the floor. > > 'Course, it's impractical to do that kind of assessment on every > audience that walks in the door. But it can be done. :=) > > -- > Jim Hyslop > Ah, yes, the wonderful 70's! Remember what a pain it was to have to fill out ,and hand in, that psychological profile before you could board the plane? Remember the long long lines? And folk music blaring from the waiting room speakers the whole time! In Orange County, California, where I lived at the time, there was even talk of requiring psychological profiles on file before allowing you to board the city buses. It didn't happen, but it sure might have saved a lot of lives! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014101c7494e$78cce880$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Subject: Re: politics (which includes space) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:52:58 -0800 > > Patrick Immel wrote: >> Right on Pat! I apologize! Cyberspace is not a country...yet! :-) > > Ooooh - can I be president? > > -- > Jim Hyslop > No. But 'Supreme Overlord' and 'First Exalted Power' are still up for grabs. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C76F6B.8000905 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:54:51 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: politics (which includes space) References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

In-Reply-To: Don Taco wrote: > No. But 'Supreme Overlord' and 'First Exalted Power' are still up for > grabs. Oh? Then what titles have Stallman and Gates taken? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:55:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Projector shutter From: Steve Shelley Message-ID: In-Reply-To: That's a great start. I've got a potential project coming up at about that same time and I'd be interested in talking to someone in the next week or so. On 2/5/07 12:41 PM, "Andrew Vance" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On 05 Feb, 2007, at 12:36 , Steve Shelley wrote: >> Can anyone provide a testimonial for this product? Intriguing. > > Our video folk are probably purchasing one for an April show with > video. I'd be happy to relate our experiences with it after we get > to play around with it. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Andrew Vance > Lighting Designer > atvanceld [at] gmail.com > > > -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:56:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Got it set up. CD with it is only for a PC. Is there a way to designate to my Mac G4 that there are two screens and to split the image seamlessly across the two screen. Steve > From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:33:53 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Look at www.macconnection.com item #6194475 > DualHead2Go. Palm-sized box which allows two > displays. Matrox PowerDesk software seamlessly > manages window positioning and pop-ups. Easy > to install-connects to existing single monitor > output. $159.95 Mine arrives tomorrow. > > Steve > >> From: "Matt Gard" >> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:29:39 -0500 >> To: "Stagecraft" >> Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question >> >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Rob >> >> I actually meant 2 "desktops" ie: the place where all of your icons sit. >> As I understand it, it is possible to have multiple "desktops" per user >> in XP or OSX, and that they are similar to the workspaces in VectorWorks. >> In other words, I could have my Lightwright and Vectorworks Icons, etc >> on one desktop, and without switching users, flip to my other desktop >> very quickly which may have, let's say Quake III and Firefox on it. >> >> P.S.- I looked at deskloops. It looks neat, but I think I'm gonna hunt >> for something that is more "expose" like. that is probably my favorite >> OSX feature. >> >> Matt Gard >> Master Electrician >> Virginia Stage Company >> 757-627-6988 x349 >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Matt: >> When you say multiple Desktops do you mean multiple monitors or >> multiple PC's? >> I have one dual monitor XP Pro PC with my design work on it that is >> rarely on the internet. It is networked to a single monitor Win2000 >> machine that is always on, which I have all the internet capabilities >> (and it's vulnerabilities) running. The work between is ALMOST >> seamless. I do, rarely, have XP files opened to the 2000 machine as I >> have the previously mentioned Deskloops on the XP machine. >> >> Do I enjoy it? oh yes >> Is it productive? I won't say three times as a single PC, but it sure >> makes life easier. >> >> Rob't >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> I have confused every one of my Coworkers who has sat down to my Dual >> screen setup. They always lose the cursor on the 2nd screen. I would >> be sad if I had to go back to flipping between VW and LW when I'm >> circuiting, though. I also love it because When I click a link in >> Outlook, Firefox opens on the other screen. >> >> I have yet to try out Multiple Desktops, but I think that time is >> nearing. My iBook has a teeny tiny screen, and the desktop get >> cluttered with work stuff, so I think it's about time to start Desktop >> Switching. Has anyone tried Multiple Desktops? Like em? hate em? >> >> Matt >> >> >> > ------------------------------ From: "David B. Nelson" References:

Subject: Crowd Control Managers (was RE: Automated Alarms) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c74950$767b1e60$6401a8c0 [at] NEWTON603> In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy writes... > Certainly, the community group can - and in this case > probably should - provide their own trained personnel. In New Hampshire, it is REQUIRED by the State Fire Code that any place of assembly usage have one or more (depending on audience size) Crowd Control Managers, who have received state-approved training, present at all events. This requirement has the force of law in NH, and violation is generally a felony. Ignore this requirement at your own risk -- not to mention that of your audience! We maintain a Certified Production Staff program for our facility, which includes the position of Certified House Manager. To obtain certification, individuals must complete the training presentation (authored by the Stage Fire Marshal's office) and a facility familiarization tour. This takes about 2 hours. This isn't really a big burden on production companies. We also have positions for Certified Lighting Technician, Certified Sound Technician and Certified Stage Technician, as most of our rental customers are community theatre groups. Regards, Dave Nelson Technical Director Adams Memorial Opera House Derry, NH, USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:17:30 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Portfolios Message-id: <2031D62C-9E6A-4AD6-86F9-29D20839CEAA [at] uwosh.edu> Steve Shelley wrote: > So if my "need to compare" is the same as anyone else's, I guess one > solution is to include a reduced printout of the light plot in the > same > envelope. Another tactic might be to include a separate pdf file of > the > groundplan, or some such, directly on the cd. In the "read me" file, > indicate which pdf's refer to which portions of the digital > portfolio. (I > freely admit I'm now making this up, I have no idea if this would > work. > Would a reviewer actually read the "read me" file?) One thing I like about including a drawing in PDF format is that if you make you PDF "page" the full size of the drawing, then it will first open up as a sort of large thumbnail on the screen, that is, everything visible but very small. You can then zoom in just as far as you wish to look at details without requiring additional files. I also include a screen size "GIF" version just to make sure _something_ can be opened and looked at without too much scrolling. I don't need to include a Readme file, as I use HTML to produce my portfolio, and simple links are sufficient to launch a PDF or a GIF as desired. This is not to denigrate other approaches (Powerpoint or other presentation programs) it's just what I chose to use. There is no perfect presentation method, unfortunately. I've also never had to actually review a portfolio for the purposes of hiring someone (well, not in Theatre anyway), so I'm not really in a position to comment on how well it actually works for that purpose. I like what Steve says about including reduced printouts of light plots especially when presenting in person. If you have fall-back options, you won't appear so unprepared when technical glitches happen. I served on a Radio/TV search committee once. Candidates who supplied us with video material we could not play were summarily dismissed, even when the problem was more with the equipment we had available than with their media. Not fair, but it happens. Being prepared for the unexpected is definitely a desirable job skill! Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:29:30 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: G-mail issues (was: Re: Portfolios) Message-id: Brian Munroe wrote: > I still highly endorse using gmail and the single message version. I > recommend trying it for a week with a different username, keeping your > current digest version and see how the two compare. One nice thing about Digest mode is that you are only offered the opportunity to make a fool of yourself in public once or, lately, twice a day! Sometimes that's a GOOD thing! :-) I can still manage it, though. :-( Mick Alderson alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Automated Alarms Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:33:08 +0000 Message-Id: <20070205183308.LNC219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Bill Nelson" > Date: 2007/02/05 Mon AM 05:54:55 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Automated Alarms > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > The situation is common in community theatre. If the group rents space in a managed > venue, the venue may or may not provide a competently trained house manager. From my > limited experience in various venues over the years, it has generally been the case > that the paid house managers are usually more clueless than many of the volunteers. I should go so far as to say that it is normal. Even large theatres have very few paid staff. Take the Questors www.questors.org.uk We have just four paid staff to run a 350 seat adaptable playhouse, a 100 seat studio, and a �500,000 freehold site. Everybody else is a volunteer, most with day jobs. This is why I write a very exact and detailed lighting script for the shows I do. If my LX OP gets held up on the way home, the SM can call in anybody with some understanding of the terminology and the show will run, even with an operator who has never seen the play or read the script. Most of our people live locally. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013c01c74954$d9e12540$6701a8c0 [at] amd2200> From: "Rob Riddle" References: Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:38:37 -0500 Steve http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/corpo/support/drivers/driverList.php getting to the Matrox site the statement says: that no software is needed. Which kind of goes in line with my G4 laptop. My G4 has a VGA external connector that I just attach a monitor onto and good ol' OSX just recognizes automatically. It comes up as a monitor to the right of my laptop screen, and I go from there. Pointer moves right across to the other screen. Rob't ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Got it set up. CD with it is only for a PC. > Is there a way to designate to my Mac G4 that > there are two screens and to split the image > seamlessly across the two screen. > > Steve > > > From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" > > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > > Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:33:53 -0500 > > To: "Stagecraft" > > Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Look at www.macconnection.com item #6194475 > > DualHead2Go. Palm-sized box which allows two > > displays. Matrox PowerDesk software seamlessly > > manages window positioning and pop-ups. Easy > > to install-connects to existing single monitor > > output. $159.95 Mine arrives tomorrow. > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C779BC.7070400 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:38:52 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand References:

In-Reply-To: Rigger wrote: >> Was it on another list, or weren't we just reminded of the old >> quotation, 'The gulf between theory and practice is much bigger >> in practice than in theory.' (I think I've heard that said more >> elegantly, but I can't recall the wording.) > > > > "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In > practice, however, there is." Do you have a citation for that? I posted basically what Don recalled a week or two back, but I don't know who said it (substitute "difference" for "gulf" and that's what I posted). -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-Id: <45C733B20200002900004FBD [at] mailhost.nesd.k12.pa.us> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:40:02 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Music Man Firecracker References: In-Reply-To: I just stuck a piece of slow fuse in a hole drilled in a large wooden = dowel painted red. SFX sound playback took care of the rest. Les=20 Les Lind Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> "Warmbold, Bo" 2/5/07 12:00 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We are getting read to do the music man here at the high school and the question has come up about the best way to do the firecracker in the gymnasium scene. I thought I might ask how some of you have done this gag or others like it. =20 Thanks in advance Bo Warmbold, CTS. Assistant Technical Director Vernon Hills High School ------------------------------ Message-ID: <017501c74956$00acd3d0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand theory/practice Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:46:52 -0800 > Rigger wrote: >>> Was it on another list, or weren't we just reminded of the old >>> quotation, 'The gulf between theory and practice is much bigger >>> in practice than in theory.' (I think I've heard that said more >>> elegantly, but I can't recall the wording.) >> >> >> >> "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In >> practice, however, there is." > > Do you have a citation for that? I posted basically what Don recalled a > week or two back, but I don't know who said it (substitute "difference" > for "gulf" and that's what I posted). > > -- > Jim Hyslop > I did find a citation. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. - Jan L.A. van de Snepscheut At this site: http://www.giga-usa.com/gigaweb1/quotes2/qutoptheoriesx001.htm It also contained this gem: A theory is no more like a fact than a photograph is like a person. - Edgar Watson Howe ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C77BB1.5050307 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:47:13 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Cello Platform References: In-Reply-To: CB wrote: > the platform being right is a bit more important than it bing there. The > US patent office thinks so, too. Well, no, actually. The USPO merely attempts to keep track of who was the first to invent a particular item, and they make no attempt to verify its usefulness or lack thereof. > If your really want to discourage their use, though, just send 'em this > link: On first glance, I was going to forward that to Mythbusters :-) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:49:23 -0500 From: Jonny D Subject: IA book? Message-id: <004601c74956$5b002620$6401a8c0 [at] jon5h0z69plnhi> Does anyone know where to purchase the book, IATSE: One Hundred Years of Solidarity? Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:49:47 +0000 Message-Id: <20070205184947.VAI219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/02/05 Mon PM 03:18:54 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Projector shutter > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I seem to recall a recent question asking about shuttering video > projectors... > > In today's mail I received a couple of packets of product info (from > Stage Directions, incidentally), one of which (from Robert Juliat USA) > shows the "Clipper", a four-blade DMX controlled shutter unit "for > discharge luminaires and video projectors". Might be something to look > into... > I have used the shutter off an Aldis lamp for this sort of thing. The Aldis lamp was a naval signalling device, designed to send Morse code by light, and fast. It is a smallish venetian blind, electrically operated by a morse key. My own use was to project forked lightning slides on to the cyc. It is fast enough for that. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:01:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: What I got from my G4 tower was the same image on both screens. I went into System Preferences to Monitor, but there was no provision to use both seamlessly side by side. Guess I need to contact matrox or apple. Steve > From: "Rob Riddle" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:38:37 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve > > http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/corpo/support/drivers/driverList.php > > getting to the Matrox site the statement says: that no software is > needed. > > Which kind of goes in line with my G4 laptop. My G4 has a VGA > external connector that I just attach a monitor onto and good ol' OSX > just recognizes automatically. It comes up as a monitor to the right > of my laptop screen, and I go from there. Pointer moves right across > to the other screen. > > Rob't > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Stagecraft" > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question > > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Got it set up. CD with it is only for a PC. >> Is there a way to designate to my Mac G4 that >> there are two screens and to split the image >> seamlessly across the two screen. >> >> Steve >> >>> From: "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" > >>> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >>> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:33:53 -0500 >>> To: "Stagecraft" >>> Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question >>> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Look at www.macconnection.com item #6194475 >>> DualHead2Go. Palm-sized box which allows two >>> displays. Matrox PowerDesk software seamlessly >>> manages window positioning and pop-ups. Easy >>> to install-connects to existing single monitor >>> output. $159.95 Mine arrives tomorrow. >>> >>> Steve > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <019d01c74959$9982ed80$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

Subject: Re:**SPACE** **JUNK** Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:12:37 -0800 > Don Taco wrote: >> No. But 'Supreme Overlord' and 'First Exalted Power' are still up for >> grabs. > > Oh? Then what titles have Stallman and Gates taken? > > -- > Jim Hyslop I don't wanna know! That info is so highly classified that jack-booted-minions are probably already on their way to 'visit' you, just for asking the question. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C767E4.8040107 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:22:44 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: politics (which includes smoking) References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

In-Reply-To: Patrick Immel wrote: > Right on Pat! I apologize! Cyberspace is not a country...yet! :-) Ooooh - can I be president? -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:30:50 -0500 Subject: 1/2 of rebuilt car for sale From: Steve Shelley Cc: lrosshall [at] makingbookssing.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greetings; A good friend of mine is involved with a nyc-based organization called "making books sing". Their current production involves a car. They have rebuilt 1/2 of a car and wish to pass it on to someone after the final performance february 13, 2007. Here's the stats and the link; For Sale: scenery car built from a red 90's Hyundai compact car. See: http://www.makingbookssing.org/car If you have any interest, check the link, and click on "see specs" for contact and any other info. I don't know anything else about the car, the show or the organization. shelley -- Steve Shelley SoftSymbols Designer MrTemplate [at] Earthlink.net www.fieldtemplate.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7CFE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > I have used the shutter off an Aldis lamp for this sort of=20 > thing. The Aldis lamp was a naval signalling device, designed=20 > to send Morse code by light, and fast. It is a smallish=20 > venetian blind, electrically operated by a morse key. My own=20 > use was to project forked lightning slides on to the cyc. It=20 > is fast enough for that. Hey, if it was fast enough for "Julius Caesar"... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C786B1.3040705 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:34:09 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: **JUNK** Re: **SPACE** **JUNK** References: <846983.1170586084841.JavaMail.root [at] m41>

In-Reply-To: Don Taco wrote: > I don't wanna know! That info is so highly classified that > jack-booted-minions are probably already on their way to 'visit' you, > just for asking the question. Yeah, right. Hang on a sec, someone's at the door. Be righ -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Subject: RE: politics (which includes space) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:34:06 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7D01 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > >> Right on Pat! I apologize! Cyberspace is not a=20 > country...yet! :-) > > > > Ooooh - can I be president? >=20 > No. But 'Supreme Overlord' and 'First Exalted Power' are=20 > still up for=20 > grabs.=20 Who's got dibs on Lord High Minister of Beer? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Excellent musicians was Re: Rosco Image Pro Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7D04 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > << He was the true=20 > definition of 'master'. >> >=20 > My favorite guitar player is Billy McLaughlin. Did I=20 > mention he's a sweetheart of a person too?=20 Most of the really really good ones are...at least in my experience. Maynard Ferguson, for one... ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c7495d$519b8000$0400a8c0 [at] ROADHAT> Folks: I am, as always it seems, in the process of cleaning out my rudimentary personal shop space (read "my mother's basement") and have some ancient gear that needs a new home. The items up for grabs are a J.D. Wallace & Co. bandsaw (approx. 8" Throat) and an Atlas metal lathe with a 1hp/220v Dayton power module. The bandsaw was operational within my lifetime but I have never seen the lathe in use. These are very heavy pieces left over from my father's scrounge and pile method of equipment collection and were old when he bought them some twenty years ago. I have no idea what the potential active life of these tools might be and am not particularly interested in finding out - I would rather have the floor space. If anyone in the New York City area has an interest, a truck, and a set of very strong nephews or something you are welcome to either or both at no cost. I know this is a long-shot but I figured I'd offer before heading to the scrap yard. I can snap some photos if needed. - J.Minh ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: politics (which includes space) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:44:32 -0500 On 05 Feb, 2007, at 14:34 , Paul Schreiner wrote: > Who's got dibs on Lord High Minister of Beer? I think you might have a fight on your hands for that title, Paul. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3A6D5EDC-618D-4361-84FC-0AFB2E0079DF [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:49:22 -0500 On 05 Feb, 2007, at 12:55 , Steve Shelley wrote: > That's a great start. I've got a potential project coming up at > about that > same time and I'd be interested in talking to someone in the next > week or > so. I'd also be interested in any first-hand experiences with it. As we're potentially purchasing it not only for this one show, but for all our video dowsing needs, we'd like to make sure we've jumped on the most-reliable-for-least-money horse -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance Lighting Designer atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:53:13 -0700 From: Davy Davis Subject: Low cost/low impact worklights Message-id: <45C78B29.8080208 [at] du.edu> We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are directly above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this space and the lack of light on the students faces has become a real distraction for some of the faculty. So, I am looking for recommendations for low cost/low impact lights to hang in our front of house position, throw about 20'. I don't want to use our theatrical fixtures due to cost of lamps and the environmental impact. These lights will probably be on for 4-10 hours a day. Thanks, Davy -- William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver wdavis [at] du.edu 303-871-3164 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: politics (which includes space) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7D33 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Who's got dibs on Lord High Minister of Beer? >=20 > I think you might have a fight on your hands for that title, Paul. Only depends on the duties. If it involves quality control, I'm sure the queue is almost as long as the readership roster of this list. OTOH, if it involves supply...well, then I just wanna know where to send my receipts! ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:01:16 EST Subject: Re: Excellent musicians was Re: Rosco Image Pro pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: << Most of the really really good ones are...at least in my experience. Maynard Ferguson, for one... >> Jazz musicians tend to be the most "ego-less" group of performers I've ever had the pleasure to work with. I think it's from the collaborative nature of their work. In high school, I played jazz piano and our band went to 3 jazz festivals each year, so I met many big names in workshop situations. Their desire to pass on what they know to the next generation was very encouraging to me. That's how I first learned how to put together chords, how to improvise, and what to listen for when accompanying. Got to sing with Dave Brubeck as an adult. My dad has been a fan of his since the early 60s and I grew up listening to "Jazz Impressions of Japan" so it was kind of a dream come true experience. I was teaching elementary school music at the time and told a class of second graders "If you continue to study music, you can get to be as good as I am or even better then you might get the chance to perform with someone whose recordings you sing along with now!" To which one of my star pupils replied "Does that mean I can sing along with Barney?" So much for my little ego trip! Kristi ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:05:00 -0500 On 5 Feb 2007, at 14:53, Davy Davis wrote: > We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are > directly above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this space > and the lack of light on the students faces has become a real > distraction for some of the faculty. So, I am looking for > recommendations for low cost/low impact lights to hang in our front > of house position, throw about 20'. I don't want to use our > theatrical fixtures due to cost of lamps and the environmental > impact. These lights will probably be on for 4-10 hours a day. How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205124910.013da3a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:49:10 From: CB Subject: Re: politics (which includes smoking) >> Dave, have you ever tried reading this list in digest form? >> I don't anymore, but try doing so for a while so you can >> understand what a lot of list members experience. >Yeah, I must admit I forgot about the digest format for a bit, there. From a died-in-the-wool digester, I just use the mouse wheel and scroll on by if the subject matter sdoesn't interest me. I'm far more concerned about the multiple re-posts without the indication that it' stale info than topics I don't care for. One post goes by and is clearly indicated by the posters info and the end by his sig, or lacking that, the next posters info. When the post contains the info for three (or more) seperate-but-previous, headers and sigs and all, it becomes more difficult to scroll on past. I suggest that once this problem has been solved, single message listers could rally behind the topic-enforcement agency. Til then, it's kind of a moot point. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C7900F.9010800 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:14:07 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Organization: University of Delaware Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On 5 Feb 2007, at 14:53, Davy Davis wrote: > >> We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are >> directly above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this space and >> the lack of light on the students faces has become a real distraction >> for some of the faculty. So, I am looking for recommendations for >> low cost/low impact lights to hang in our front of house position, >> throw about 20'. I don't want to use our theatrical fixtures due to >> cost of lamps and the environmental impact. These lights will >> probably be on for 4-10 hours a day. > > > How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on lamps but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. It won't be flattering face light, but if your priorities are quantity and low-cost, I'd suggest hanging a couple of sodium vapor floodlights in the FOH. Color correction can help a bit, but it'll always feel a little bit off. Steve L. -- Stephen Litterst Technical Operations Supervisor litterst [at] udel.edu Center for the Arts 302/831-0601 University of Delaware ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:17:44 -0500 On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bruce Purdy wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> On 5 Feb 2007, at 14:53, Davy Davis wrote: >>> We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are >>> directly above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this >>> space and the lack of light on the students faces has become a >>> real distraction for some of the faculty. So, I am looking for >>> recommendations for low cost/low impact lights to hang in our >>> front of house position, throw about 20'. I don't want to use >>> our theatrical fixtures due to cost of lamps and the >>> environmental impact. These lights will probably be on for 4-10 >>> hours a day. >> How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? > > I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on > lamps but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. what he said... g. ____________________ gregg hillmar associate professor Randolph-Macon College scenic & lighting design http://faculty.rmc.edu/ghillmar/ http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205125444.013da3a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:54:44 From: CB Subject: Re: G-mail issues >So if you top post, as Thea seems to do, it is easy to miss the length >of the quotes. In my obtuse, and roundabout way, this is what I was referring to. It allows folks to re-post a buncha stuff without their being aware of it. While Gmail may be handy, it's starting to show a little fray around the edges, and power users (such as youself?) might list a coupla patches or workarounds. I noticed that your response was nice and crisp... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205125635.013da3a8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:56:35 From: CB Subject: Re: AARP >You could shoot it my way, too. It's already there... CB Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205125834.013d99e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:58:34 From: CB Subject: Re: G-mail issues >CB wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> My apologies for the million posts. Gmail is cranky sometimes. >>> >> >> And it doesn't show you that you're quoting teh entirety of the last five >> posts on the subject, does it? G-mail is starting to look like a really >> handy thing for the user, but a real PITA for the digesters on the list... >> Any G-mail power users out there that know how to get it to show you that >> you've just quoted four pages of text for a one line response? I really >> cant blame Thea, because she probably wasn't aware, and all the other >> e-mail addies in the quotes were from gmail, too, so... >> Chris "Chris" Babbie >> Location Sound >> MON AZ >> >> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates >> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... >> >> Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 >> >> >I use Gmail, but I use thunderbird for my mail software. > It's not just me, this was too ironic, yeah? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205125952.013d99e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:59:52 From: CB Subject: RE: AARP >I'll second that, please cc it to me as well. Done. CB ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205130147.013f1020 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:01:47 From: CB Subject: RE: Cello Platform >Q: How can you tell which kid at the playground belongs to the trombone >player? How do you tell the teamster's kid on the playground? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: G-mail issues Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7DAE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" > While Gmail may be handy, it's starting to show a little fray=20 > around the edges, and power users (such as youself?) might=20 > list a coupla patches or workarounds. I noticed that your=20 > response was nice and crisp... I think it's just a question of attitude and complacency...like any other tool, when the operator knows the parameters and pays attention it does wonders. If you get sloppy, the results show. ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Cc: mrtemplate [at] earthlink.net (Steve Shelley) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:44:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Projector shutter Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <45C72690.22388.5539238 [at] jon.lagerquist.com> In-reply-to: References: , I can and am happy to. I have three of the non DMX units and really like them. Support has been great. They do a rent to buy option. Jon > Can anyone provide a testimonial for this product? Intriguing. > > shelley > > On 2/5/07 12:09 PM, "Andrew Vance" wrote: > > > That's insanely expensive. We're looking at getting one of the > > Engineering Solutions boxes that someone else one the lis > recommended: > > > > http://www.response-box.com/flapper.shtml > > > > Does everything we need it to, controlled via DMX, and > reasonably > > priced. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205132210.013f1020 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:22:10 From: CB Subject: Excellent musicians >After >picking my jaw up off the floor, at the end of the night I was digging in my >pockets to buy CDs. He plays "American fingerstyle" guitar meaning he's all over >the fret board playing ostinato, harmony AND melody all at the same time. Kristi, if you liked Billy, never pass up an opportunity to see Vic Wooten. He'll be along with any Bela Fleck gigs, and watching the three of them (Bela, Vic, and Vic's brother, 'Futureman') and whomever the fourth is that they've manged to get drunk and sign on for the trip, is worth the price of admission. If ever Vic teams up with Primus' lead bass player, Les Claypool, again, you may require hospitalization to get you jaw right again. Vic does an amazing "Amazing Grace", (, and enter 'Victor Wooten 'in the search bar, then clickety-click it) that'll leave you caounting tuning pegs three or four times during the song, at least. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205132604.013f1020 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:26:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Automated Alarms >All fine and dandy Bill write/email to? I can write my opinions until I am >blue in the face >but no one else will see it. AHA! I got this one! Bill, you suggested ("If you care, get involved. Anyone can send in comments. Don't sit back now, and when the regs change complain it's stupid and dangerous.") that we get involved, and Occy is asking if you have a suggestion for where these opinions ought be sent, either via e-mail or snail mail. 'Zat about cover it, Occy? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20070205132644.00ca60f8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:26:44 From: CB Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder You could do a lot worse than being 'sentenced' to read Heinlein, but here is a (very) brief synopsis of the reference: Heinein referred to a character that was a do-gooder, holier-than-thou type that wanted everyone's life to be based on his personal moral view, and declared himself 'president for life' for lack of a better term. The parallels betwixt Heinlein's plot and today's politics were just too good to let pass. Apologies for anyone that was confused. Really, though, everyone should read a bit of Heinlein, right after they finish the five (six?) book trilogy that Doug Adams wrote. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... Nehemiah Scudder for President in 2012 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <716EBD69-D77B-44A7-A046-4BE77D46EC36 [at] rochester.rr.com> From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Excellent musicians Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:55:23 -0500 On 5 Feb 2007, at 08:22, CB wrote: > Kristi, if you liked Billy, never pass up an opportunity to see Vic > Wooten. > He'll be along with any Bela Fleck gigs, and watching the three of > them > (Bela, Vic, and Vic's brother, 'Futureman') and whomever the fourth > is that > they've manged to get drunk and sign on for the trip, is worth the > price of > admission. I'll second that recommendation, and add that both Victor and Bela are further examples of really wonderful human beings off the stage as well as amazing talent on! I've said it before, and I'll say it again that (With a few exceptions) Ego is inversely proportional to talent! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Bruce Purdy Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:01:27 -0500 On 5 Feb 2007, at 08:26, CB wrote: > everyone should read a bit of Heinlein, right after they > finish the five (six?) book trilogy that Doug Adams wrote. Funny, but I always thought if it was a "Trilogy" that there were three of them! Bruce ____________________ Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C7A795.3060103 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 16:54:29 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Reply-To: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder References:

In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: >> everyone should read a bit of Heinlein, right after they >> finish the five (six?) book trilogy that Doug Adams wrote. > > Funny, but I always thought if it was a "Trilogy" that there were > three of them! If six times nine can be 42, a trilogy can have as many books as it needs. If you were a hoopy frood like CB and really knew where your towel was, you'd not even need this explained so clearly to you. Obviously not far evolved from a telephone sanitizer.... Stuart :-) ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:47:08 -0600 From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free In-Reply-To: References: If you don't get any takers here, you might try your local freecycle group. They specialize in getting rid of the junk other people think is great stuff and keeping things out of the landfill. http://www.freecycle.org/ -- Laura McMeley LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Nehemiah Scudder Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:00:36 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A075B7EC4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> In-Reply-To: From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net > > Funny, but I always thought if it was a "Trilogy" that=20 > there were=20 > > three of them! >=20 > If six times nine can be 42, a trilogy can have as many books=20 > as it needs. =20 But six times nine DOES equal 42. You just have to be working in base-13 arithmetic. Unfortunately, in base-13, a trilogy still technically implies three. Now, in base-3, six books would be equivalent, but that'd be a zero-book series either way... ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:12:32 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Cello Platform At 1:01 PM -0500 2/5/07, CB wrote: >How do you tell the teamster's kid on the playground? He's the one sitting over by the fence with a box-o-milk and a donut, watching the other kids play. Why is the Teamster's mascot the horse? -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net 20/20 Design "Fuel injection is like measuring the amount of sugar in your recipe with a measuring cup, and tasting it to see how much you should put in. Carburetion is like throwing a bag of sugar against the ceiling fan in your kitchen while the pot is uncovered. If you need a different amount of sugar, you use a different sized bag, or spin the fan at a different speed, or change the pitch of the ceiling fan blades." -- Unknown ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:14:02 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder At 1:26 PM -0500 2/5/07, CB wrote: >You could do a lot worse than being 'sentenced' to read Heinlein, but here >is a (very) brief synopsis of the reference: >Heinein referred to a character that was a do-gooder, holier-than-thou type >that wanted everyone's life to be based on his personal moral view, and >declared himself 'president for life' for lack of a better term. Hence my "so much for the 2016 elections" comment. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I don't really think we gave barbarism a fair try. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:18:54 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: L Hand/R Hand At 1:38 PM -0500 2/5/07, Jim Hyslop wrote: >>> Was it on another list, or weren't we just reminded of the old >>> quotation, 'The gulf between theory and practice is much bigger >>> in practice than in theory.' (I think I've heard that said more >>> elegantly, but I can't recall the wording.) >> >> "In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In >> practice, however, there is." > > Do you have a citation for that? Not really, no... I've read that quoted all over the place, in every corner of Usenet and out in print in the Real World. Some foks attribute it to Yogi Berra, but I don't think it sounds very Berra-ish, to be honest. I think Don was thinking of what you've got here. I just contributed what I've heard elsewhere. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end. -- Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:31:25 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: IA book? At 1:49 PM -0500 2/5/07, Jonny D wrote: >Does anyone know where to purchase the book, IATSE: One Hundred Years of >Solidarity? It doesn't show up on abebooks.com... I'd bet the International's general office in NYC would know. -- Dave Vick IATSE #274 Carpe Per Diem ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:38:03 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights At 3:14 PM -0500 2/5/07, Stephen Litterst wrote: >> How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? > > I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on > lamps but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. We got 'em to work a lot longer at my old theatre by punching a few 1/2" holes in the back of the housing and reflector to let some of the lamps heat out; probably added 3-5 years to the lifespan, and for what little they cost, at 3-5 year lifespan they're practically disposable. Blow a couple holes in the ends, too, near the mounting bolt holes. Works like a charm. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net See? I can post useful info without pissing everybody off, too. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:39:21 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Excellent musicians At 3:55 PM -0500 2/5/07, Bruce Purdy wrote: > I've said it before, and I'll say it again that (With a few exceptions) > Ego is inversely proportional to talent! I'd offer Gene Krupa as an example of the exceptions. -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net There are nights when the wolves are silent, and only the moon howls. ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1129 ******************************