Return-Path: X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42164727; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:22:12 -0800 X-List-Processed: mail.prxy.net X-ListMember: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 42116876; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:02:08 -0800 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_RECEIVED,NO_RELAYS, PRXY_USER_BODY_AMBIEN,PRXY_USER_BODY_CIALIS,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Level: X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: List-Archive: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #1130 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:01:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #1130 1. Re: Nehemiah Scudder by Rigger 2. Re: Projector shutter by 3. Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free by 4. Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free by 5. Re: Projector shutter by "Paul Schreiner" 6. Re: Nehemiah Scudder by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question by "Benjamin G. Stickels" 8. Re: Nehemiah Scudder by Rigger 9. Re: Low cost/low impact worklights by Chip Wood 10. Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 11. Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free by Al Fitch 12. Re: Low cost/low impact worklights by "Jason Salvatori" 13. More Free Gear by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 14. Re: AARP by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: More Free Gear by "Occy" 16. Re: Low cost/low impact worklights by "Bill Nelson" 17. Re: Automated Alarms by "Bill Nelson" 18. Cheap wood floor by "Tim Catlett" 19. Re: Automated Alarms by "Bill Nelson" 20. Re: Cheap wood floor by "Bill Nelson" 21. Re: Automated Alarms by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:40:53 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder At 4:54 PM -0500 2/5/07, Stuart Wheaton wrote: >> Funny, but I always thought if it was a "Trilogy" that there were >> three of them! > > If six times nine can be 42, a trilogy can have as many books as it > needs. If you were a hoopy frood like CB and really knew where your > towel was, you'd not even need this explained so clearly to you. > Obviously not far evolved from a telephone sanitizer.... Obviously thinks a digital watch is a pretty nifty idea... -- Dave Vick rigger [at] tds.net I almost don't feel the way I do. ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Re: Projector shutter Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:17:32 +0000 Message-Id: <20070205231733.NHJZ26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Paul Schreiner" > Date: 2007/02/05 Mon PM 07:33:17 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Projector shutter > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I have used the shutter off an Aldis lamp for this sort of > > thing. The Aldis lamp was a naval signalling device, designed > > to send Morse code by light, and fast. It is a smallish > > venetian blind, electrically operated by a morse key. My own > > use was to project forked lightning slides on to the cyc. It > > is fast enough for that. > > Hey, if it was fast enough for "Julius Caesar"... > As I remember, it was fast enough for "Othello", which was where I used it. As I remember, I discharged a capacitor into the solenoid to open it, very briefly. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:31:00 +0000 Message-Id: <20070205233100.GOMR219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" > Date: 2007/02/05 Mon PM 07:39:08 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks: > > I am, as always it seems, in the process of cleaning out my rudimentary > personal shop space (read "my mother's basement") and have some ancient > gear that needs a new home. The items up for grabs are a J.D. Wallace & > Co. bandsaw (approx. 8" Throat) and an Atlas metal lathe with a 1hp/220v > Dayton power module. The bandsaw was operational within my lifetime but > I have never seen the lathe in use. These are very heavy pieces left > over from my father's scrounge and pile method of equipment collection > and were old when he bought them some twenty years ago. I have no idea > what the potential active life of these tools might be and am not > particularly interested in finding out - I would rather have the floor > space. If anyone in the New York City area has an interest, a truck, and > a set of very strong nephews or something you are welcome to either or > both at no cost. > > I know this is a long-shot but I figured I'd offer before heading to the > scrap yard. I can snap some photos if needed. I have similar problems. I have for disposal a Bruel and Kjaer third-octave filter set, and a pen recorder, together with cables and manuals. Buyer collects, and I live in West London. Also an elderly computer, with an SCSI flatbed scanner, a monitor, and a Lexmark printer. Only 433MHz, but with all manuals and operating disks. Like you, I don't want to junk this gear. It served me well until broadband struck. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:31:08 +0000 Message-Id: <20070205233108.KXXN29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [at] smtp.ntlworld.com> > > From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" > Date: 2007/02/05 Mon PM 07:39:08 GMT > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks: > > I am, as always it seems, in the process of cleaning out my rudimentary > personal shop space (read "my mother's basement") and have some ancient > gear that needs a new home. The items up for grabs are a J.D. Wallace & > Co. bandsaw (approx. 8" Throat) and an Atlas metal lathe with a 1hp/220v > Dayton power module. The bandsaw was operational within my lifetime but > I have never seen the lathe in use. These are very heavy pieces left > over from my father's scrounge and pile method of equipment collection > and were old when he bought them some twenty years ago. I have no idea > what the potential active life of these tools might be and am not > particularly interested in finding out - I would rather have the floor > space. If anyone in the New York City area has an interest, a truck, and > a set of very strong nephews or something you are welcome to either or > both at no cost. > > I know this is a long-shot but I figured I'd offer before heading to the > scrap yard. I can snap some photos if needed. I have similar problems. I have for disposal a Bruel and Kjaer third-octave filter set, and a pen recorder, together with cables and manuals. Buyer collects, and I live in West London. Also an elderly computer, with an SCSI flatbed scanner, a monitor, and a Lexmark printer. Only 433MHz, but with all manuals and operating disks. Like you, I don't want to junk this gear. It served me well until broadband struck. Frank Wood ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:11:53 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Projector shutter In-Reply-To: References: > > > I have used the shutter off an Aldis lamp > > > > Hey, if it was fast enough for "Julius Caesar"... > > > As I remember, it was fast enough for "Othello", which was where I used it. As I remember, I discharged a capacitor into the solenoid to open it, very briefly. Sorry Frank...but that's not what I was referring to. Anyone actually get the reference? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:12:57 -0500 From: "Paul Schreiner" Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder In-Reply-To: References:

> Obviously thinks a digital watch is a pretty nifty idea... If you're lucky, I might read you some of my poetry... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:59:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Crowded Monitors was Re: Mac computer question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Benjamin G. Stickels" You may need to click "Show Displays in menu bar" and from there, turn "mirror displays" off. It's default is on, and it doesn't always like to show up for some reason in the main pref pane. -BGS- On 2/5/07 2:01 PM, "deziner [at] theatreinthepark.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What I got from my G4 tower was the same image on both > screens. I went into System Preferences to Monitor, but > there was no provision to use both seamlessly side > by side. Guess I need to contact matrox or apple. > > Steve > ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:43:23 -0500 From: Rigger Subject: Re: Nehemiah Scudder At 7:12 PM -0500 2/5/07, Paul Schreiner wrote: >> Obviously thinks a digital watch is a pretty nifty idea... > > If you're lucky, I might read you some of my poetry... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! -DV ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45C7D976.9060506 [at] gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:27:18 -0700 From: Chip Wood Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights References:

In-Reply-To: gregg hillmar wrote: >>>> We have an old proscenium theatre and the only worklights are >>>> directly above the stage. We hold a lot of classes in this space >>>> and the lack of light on the students faces has become a real >>>> distraction for some of the faculty. So, I am looking for >>>> recommendations for low cost/low impact lights to hang in our front >>>> of house position, throw about 20'. >>> How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? >> >> I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on >> lamps but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. > > what he said... > Are you using the name "quartz" for halogen? I have several 300-500W HD's or Lowe's halogen worklights that once I get the bulb seated correctly never seem to burn out. They are cheap, easy to install, and provide plenty of white light. They do put out a lot of heat tho and they look like worklights. Chip ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: RE: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c74997$be29d390$0400a8c0 [at] ROADHAT> In-Reply-To: Excellent idea. Thank you. - J.Minh -----Original Message----- If you don't get any takers here, you might try your local freecycle group. They specialize in getting rid of the junk other people think is great stuff and keeping things out of the landfill. http://www.freecycle.org/ -- Laura McMeley LMcMeley [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: Potentially Useless Heavy Equipment Available - Free In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <655907.80306.qm [at] web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --------------------------------------------- > > > > Folks: > > > > I am, as always it seems, in the process of > cleaning out my rudimentary > > personal shop space (read "my mother's basement") > and have some ancient > > gear that needs a new home. The items up for grabs > are a J.D. Wallace & > > Co. bandsaw (approx. 8" Throat) and an Atlas metal > lathe with a 1hp/220v > > Dayton power module. The bandsaw was operational > within my lifetime but > > I have never seen the lathe in use. These are very > heavy pieces left > > over from my father's scrounge and pile method of > equipment collection > > and were old when he bought them some twenty years > ago. I have no idea > > what the potential active life of these tools > might be and am not > > particularly interested in finding out - I would > rather have the floor > > space. If anyone in the New York City area has an > interest, a truck, and > > a set of very strong nephews or something you are > welcome to either or > > both at no cost. > > > > I know this is a long-shot but I figured I'd offer > before heading to the > > scrap yard. I can snap some photos if needed. > I would suggest Freecycle.org if you don't have any takers here. I have used it to pass on a refridgerator and a bunch of old PCs. Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1caebf780702051927t22e9d29btab9b507c8d56584d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:27:43 -0500 From: "Jason Salvatori" Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights In-Reply-To: References:

I've seen old scoops used quite often... Even better if you put some CFL's in them. Jason ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: More Free Gear Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c749a7$64193c50$0400a8c0 [at] ROADHAT> O.K., because the suggestions so far as to how to responsibly get rid of some elderly power-tools have been so genuinely helpful let me throw another one on the board. I have an American reed organ made by Story & Clark, Chicago. The instrument has some minor cosmetic dings and is not currently operable but was fully playable for many years after my father restored her in the early/mid 1960's. This is an upright pedal-pump instrument with eleven stops - neglected for years but stored dry and warm. As with my previous post, I am not asking for money, but with this piece I care a little more about its new home. I would rather it wind up with someone or some organization who might put it to restored musical use rather than gathering dust in props storage. Anyone from Eastman or Julliard lurking out there? Thanks. - J.Minh ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 04:54:55 GMT Subject: Re: AARP Message-Id: <20070205.205508.8266.1207108 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> Why not just send it to the the list, and if that is prohibited, send = a copy to me, too. Thank You. /s/ Richard ladesigners [at] juno.com ________________________________________ >You could shoot it my way, too. = It's already there... CB Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: More Free Gear Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:41:17 -0800 Why is all the good thing on the wrong side of the coast? That lathe would be happening, I grew up with an organ made by them in the 60's. It was the neighbors across the street. There wasn't as many bean counters in those day most the machinery was build like a brick potty house, even when a tool or piece got away from you it wreck the machine like it does now a days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" > --------------------------------------------------- > > O.K., because the suggestions so far as to how to responsibly get rid of > some elderly power-tools have been so genuinely helpful let me throw > another one on the board. > > I have an American reed organ made by Story & Clark, Chicago. The > instrument has some minor cosmetic dings and is not currently operable > but was fully playable for many years after my father restored her in > the early/mid 1960's. This is an upright pedal-pump instrument with > eleven stops - neglected for years but stored dry and warm. > Thanks. > > - J.Minh > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1177.205.215.253.77.1170748761.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:59:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Low cost/low impact worklights From: "Bill Nelson" >> How about quartz worklights from Home Despot? > > I've tried these in the past. Really short lifespan, not just on lamps > but on the sockets, reflectors and unit body. We have used such lights for years in the two venues where I do lighting. I have not noticed any lamp lifespan problems, although the type that use the lamps with flat blades tend to burn up the sockets. The ones with the round button contacts that fit between the spring loaded end connectors seem to last just fine. Neither style is worth repairing. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1231.205.215.253.77.1170750386.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:26:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Automated Alarms From: "Bill Nelson" > This is why I write a very exact and detailed lighting script for the shows I do. If > my LX OP gets held up on the way home, the SM can call in anybody with some > understanding of the terminology and the show will run, even with an operator who > has never seen the play or read the script. Most of our people live locally. Yep. I write my light op scripts so that anyone who can find the proper buttons and follow directions can run the lights in an emergency. They might not do it perfectly, but that seldom happens even with experienced board ops. The esthetic sense of timing is missing, so they have to follow the script by rote, instead of making minor adaptations depending on variations in stage action and dialog. I have the printed script on the right side of each 8.5x11 sheet. I mark the cue number and approximate point where it occurs on the script. On the left side, I repeat the cue number and make any notes necessary to get the exact timing desired. All these lighting scripts are written for loading cues into the stack and using the GO button. The stage managers get the same notes - although most are inconsistant about exactly where they call the cues. I would rather avoid the SM completely and have the board operator run the cues as specified in the script. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 02:44:26 -0600 From: "Tim Catlett" Subject: Cheap wood floor Hi all, I need a cheap solution to a real wood floor on a tight budget. Companies and names would be highly beneficial. Specs: 1x6 pine or oak, approx. 1300sq.ft., to be distressed so quality wood is not necessary (#3 or better is probably ideal) Ideas? Anyone? Staying under $800 would be extremely helpful to the rest of the project budget. -- Tim Catlett Asst. Technical Director - Shorewood High School Drama Technical Director - Milwaukee Shakespeare Director of Outreach/Membership - ISETSA (International Secondary Education Theatre Health & Safety Association) Cell: 414.975.4424 EMAIL: catlett.lizardsdream [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1298.205.215.253.77.1170751652.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:47:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Automated Alarms From: "Bill Nelson" > Actually, it can be done. I remember reading about a hijacking of an > airliner in the 70s. The jet was sitting on the tarmac at an airport. > The authorities wanted to send in a military strike, but were worried > how the passengers would react. So, they called in several > psychologists, who reviewed psychological profiles of the passengers. > The psychologists figured that most of the passengers would hit the > floor, and they identified one or two who would likely stand up. The > authorities gave the go-ahead, the armed personnel went in - and the > passengers all behaved as predicted: the one or two individuals the > psychologists had fingered stood up, everyone else hit the floor. Regardless of any such stories, I don't believe it. The science of psychology just is not that precise. They might have been able to guess that most of the passengers would do one thing and that there were certain passengers that would behave in a contrary manner. But I doubt if they could be any more precise. The main reason for this is that psychological profiles do not show how a person will react to various levels and types of stress. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1327.205.215.253.77.1170752334.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 00:58:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Cheap wood floor From: "Bill Nelson" > I need a cheap solution to a real wood floor on a tight budget. > Companies and names would be highly beneficial. > > Specs: 1x6 pine or oak, approx. 1300sq.ft., to be distressed so > quality wood is not necessary (#3 or better is probably ideal) > > Ideas? Anyone? Staying under $800 would be extremely helpful to the > rest of the project budget. I doubt if there is any chance at all of even getting close to that price. I did a quick search and found about $1.20/sqft on preorder with a minimum order of 10,000 sqft. The other prices varied from about $3.00/sqft for plain boards to $4.00+ for T&G. These were all "whitewood", which is about the cheapest wood you can find. All of these were finished, not rough sawn. No idea what those variations would cost. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1350.205.215.253.77.1170754148.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:29:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Automated Alarms From: "Bill Nelson" > "The situation is common in community theatre. If the group rents space in a > managed > venue, the venue may or may not provide a competently trained house manager. > From my > limited experience in various venues over the years, it has generally been > the case > that the paid house managers are usually more clueless than many of the > volunteers." > > You shouldn't allow it. The attitude of "I can't do anything about it" when > it comes to safety is unacceptable. This is especially so in assembly > occupancies which generally has a very good record but - as the Station > tragedy showed - the potential for major loss of life. Safety requires > people to step up and act and not wait for the "authorities". It seems like > a fundamental part of civilization - taking action for the common good. You > might also refer to the Life Safety Code which has specific regulations for > crowd management and crowd managers. Unfortunately, reality and theory do not always have much in common. In our instance, this is the ONLY space available - and we pay an outrageous rental as it is. If we insisted that the theatre management provide such a HM, they would say "Bye. Please close the door behind you." The community theatre is totally voluntary. NO ONE gets paid a penny for their time, and many donate a lot of time and money to the group just to keep it going. I know of no one who would have the time to get proper certification. Most certification courses I have seen are a joke. They don't even include simulated emergencies. Just a few hours of lecture/discussion and maybe a theatre orientation. The orientation is probably the only useful part of the whole process. > But please - because there are instances of poor management and inaction - > don't try to recommend a poor second choice solution on everyone for the > sake of uniformity. There are many well managed places of assembly that are > much safer because responsible people are in charge instead, not > electronics. I am not arguing for uniformity. I am just recognizing the reality of the regional situation. There are NO "well managed places of assembly" around here - at least, none suitable for theatre. I don't know of any that have safety trained personnel. I wish it were otherwise. But even getting a recorded voice announcement is unlikely. Fortunately, the house is small (300 seats) and it has sprinklers. It also has 4 labeled fire exits from the auditorium seating area. Bill ------------------------------ You are subscribed as stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net End of Stagecraft Digest #1130 ******************************